Why supporting casts win championships | NBA Finals Game 4 analysis

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  • Опубліковано 9 чер 2023
  • Why did Denver's role players have such big nights in Game 4? This detailed film room study examines how Miami's defense tried to stop Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokic as scorers, the Nuggets supporting cast on offense and defense, and Jokic's defense protecting the paint.
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  • @samb123078
    @samb123078 Рік тому +2508

    Malone said it best; Murray had 12 assists, 0 turnovers while being hounded and pressured all night. That some great skill and concentration.

    • @bossg2817
      @bossg2817 Рік тому +290

      Tatum and Brown should attend Murray's basketball training camp on dishing assist without having a lot of turnovers.

    • @elmehdinafia1237
      @elmehdinafia1237 Рік тому +124

      Murray is so crafty and got some genius handles in him..he rarely loses the ball in traffic!

    • @urbaindelva7869
      @urbaindelva7869 Рік тому +62

      ​@@bossg2817Murray is a point guard. Tatum and Brown are wing players. Different roles, although I agree.

    • @solliskuxxswag
      @solliskuxxswag Рік тому +30

      And was happy that murray never got bored of making the plays

    • @manz7860
      @manz7860 Рік тому +7

      That efficiency was not good though he lowkey kept Miami in the game for a while until Brown and Gordan put it away.

  • @CarnageMastodon
    @CarnageMastodon Рік тому +1210

    I've been watching basketball since 1994, and it has been a while since I saw this kind of gorgeous basketball. Awakens the same feelings that I got from the Timmy led Spurs. No egos, max effort, max professionalism. Just pure joy.

    • @LetMeEatDem
      @LetMeEatDem Рік тому +50

      The hawks tried in 2015. But ya know… LeBron.

    • @ChikaNeca
      @ChikaNeca Рік тому +108

      Well said, this is low key best team basketball since Timmy's Spurs. I really like warriors offball teamplay but Nuggets are real Spurs-like unselfish flow offense. Similiar kind of basketball is usually played in Serbian national team, because we don't have heavy weight athletes that can overpower defense, it's always motion and passing! I'm so happy this style of basket wins nowdays

    • @xavierb9061
      @xavierb9061 Рік тому +4

      @@ChikaNeca teams dont have talent play this way. Theres usually weak player out of 5

    • @maneiloveyall3672
      @maneiloveyall3672 Рік тому +15

      You right OG, I been out here since 2017 watching my Nuggets and they built like an old school team with new school tempo

    • @D0BR0VECE
      @D0BR0VECE Рік тому +15

      @@xavierb9061 You really have no idea what you are talking about.
      He literally just mentioned prime Spurs and Yugoslavian school of basketball. Plenty of talent and purest form of basketball. Wtf dude?

  • @zaneverovati
    @zaneverovati Рік тому +737

    It takes a smart guy to tell a teammate what needs to be done (Jokic). It takes an even smarter guy (and a quite humble one as well) to actually take that for what it is, an advice - and implement it right away (Gordon).

    • @savagesavant4964
      @savagesavant4964 Рік тому +103

      yep ...some guys mistake advice for criticism

    • @anthonynorman7545
      @anthonynorman7545 Рік тому +154

      I've noticed Gordon listening to Jokic and Jeff Green a lot this series. You love to see a coachable player!

    • @thordoo3047
      @thordoo3047 Рік тому +47

      Gordon is a perfect teammate… Also HOT as hell lol.

    • @daddyfuse50
      @daddyfuse50 Рік тому +52

      ​@savagesavant4964 It comes down to intention. Some dudes give advice maliciously and not in a genuine, helpful way. Jokic is not that dude, he wants to help his team be better, and is more happy when theyre good than himself.

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому +54

      The whole team has this mindset, it's contagious, just like Jokics passing.

  • @marcochen9117
    @marcochen9117 Рік тому +1311

    people had been accusing malone of shitty rotations the previous 2 seasons, but failed to realise the absolutely pitiful roster he had with all the injuries. The playoffs has shown that with rotation players he can make great adjustments

    • @Rogue_Centurion
      @Rogue_Centurion Рік тому +226

      Fr what are you supposed to do when you have Facundo Campazzo and Austin Rivers starting

    • @CleverAccountName303
      @CleverAccountName303 Рік тому +108

      "hOw CAn hE bE mVP wiThOuT rInG" - 🤡

    • @lilmosey1602
      @lilmosey1602 Рік тому +85

      @@CleverAccountName303ong those clowns switched up now

    • @jogendron6320
      @jogendron6320 Рік тому +11

      Lebron fans and youngins (prolly you too) think the NBA started when they started watching.
      Go look 1988 season.
      Now that’s a basketball player.

    • @alexescutia4805
      @alexescutia4805 Рік тому +11

      He pissed me off when he refused to let mpj get decent playing time for so long

  • @nikolakrstic8079
    @nikolakrstic8079 Рік тому +611

    Just look at Jokic coaching the whole team in real time lmao what a legend he claps when they do what they are supposed to do

    • @aquatazer
      @aquatazer Рік тому +117

      Yeah man, and the fact that they’re willing to listen to it says a lot. Jokić has one of the highest basketball IQs of all time in my opinion, and I like that specifically AG listened and implemented his advice on the next possession.

    • @kkoseyy1399
      @kkoseyy1399 Рік тому +24

      @@aquatazer ngl was really not imaging jokic whooping the suns and winning the finals and he might win the mvp next season

    • @kn7cks347
      @kn7cks347 Рік тому +49

      That KCP lob was insane man. He already knew AG was open . Jokic's game speed makes up for his physical speed

    • @pauleagle6281
      @pauleagle6281 Рік тому +101

      Gordon once said..Joker always see it but sometimes he has to hold the ball until teammates see it.

    • @DINO92AVFC
      @DINO92AVFC Рік тому +11

      @@pauleagle6281 When did he say that? That's brilliant 😂

  • @theinternetofrandomthings7796
    @theinternetofrandomthings7796 Рік тому +950

    Good to see Gordon finally getting a decent system for him to shine. Helps to have Murray and Jokic throwing you the ball!

    • @damostack3432
      @damostack3432 Рік тому +42

      He fits em well aye. Brings a ton of athleticism and physicality

    • @loodakris5928
      @loodakris5928 Рік тому +13

      The Nuggets can give
      Gordon so much space and Jokic can get that ball to him anywhere. Cheat code!

    • @mickystar124
      @mickystar124 Рік тому +9

      At first I thought he was trash his first year on the nuggets . I’m like y’all just picked up a dunker and his lack of shooting 😂 but now he add so much value for them .

    • @chrissullivan6572
      @chrissullivan6572 Рік тому +10

      I think Gordon bein baptized in the fire in Orlando really helped him. His ball handling and vision improved because they used him as a point forward and that ability to run offense but also play off ball has made him a great #3.

    • @bigsmall2842
      @bigsmall2842 Рік тому +10

      @@chrissullivan6572 Gordon has been surprisingly good at hitting secondary cutters and open teammates this season. His playmaking has stepped up,

  • @armandoarmijo9010
    @armandoarmijo9010 Рік тому +477

    Joker is rubbing off on Murray. Murray used to force everything. He was too antsy, and was inconsistent. Through these playoffs, we’ve witnessed an evolution in jamal Murray’s game. He’s proved himself to be one of the most elite mid range shooters in the league. He’s gone from an average playmaker, to someone who can take over a game without scoring. But if he wants, he’ll get you 30 easy. This team is just amazing to watch. It’s a brotherhood. Unselfish, and no egos to plague the chemistry. They all support one another, and if one is having a bad night. They don’t force it, they let someone else eat, so they can succeed as a whole.
    I hope we can retain brown, and keep this foundation.

    • @CoronaHoax-nd2rr
      @CoronaHoax-nd2rr Рік тому +20

      Agree. Murray used to force it too much and was always on my sh*t list lol. Can’t believe how much better he has gotten.

    • @natutz
      @natutz Рік тому +46

      Even Gordon. Have you seen his passes? 😂

    • @thatoneshitposterthatlives2050
      @thatoneshitposterthatlives2050 Рік тому +11

      unfortunately it's impossible for them to keep brown.

    • @erroneouse1929
      @erroneouse1929 Рік тому +12

      I think his injury humble him to how great jokic is. I think before he felt that he was better than jokic.

    • @Kevinschart
      @Kevinschart Рік тому +32

      Murray is Kyrie with slightly fewer handles, more dime ability, and none of the drama. and he's 2 inches taller.

  • @ColoradoRay
    @ColoradoRay Рік тому +233

    2:17 Is all you need to know to see how connected this team is. Jokic pointing up telling KCP to throw the lob to AG without even looking where AG or his defender was is incredible. He fist pumps when KCP and AG both already found it at the same time as him.

    • @ciaojay7025
      @ciaojay7025 Рік тому +29

      Dude really has an eye on his back 🤣

    • @moody4624
      @moody4624 Рік тому +33

      Jokic saw where Butler was and where AG was. He also saw the double team for Murray. Jokic saw the 2 on 1 situation for Butler and immediately went to occupy butler so that Gordon had all the freedom. That has nothing to do with eyes in the back of the head. Its just a play from a smart player and something a lot of players can do

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому +4

      Makes sense, he's occupying the only Heat player on that side of the court lol.

    • @student99bg
      @student99bg Рік тому +26

      I didn't notice this the first time I saw it. Thank you. Truly incredible

    • @owenhebda9083
      @owenhebda9083 Рік тому +17

      @@moody4624yeah I’m sure a ton of guys are replicating this

  • @botobanga
    @botobanga Рік тому +210

    I wish major media outlets like ESPN had this level of analysis. But then again, that would be too much to ask of them.

    • @J.A.Z-TheMortal
      @J.A.Z-TheMortal Рік тому +60

      Its doesn't sell. The loud, ridiculous, drama filled and simplified takes for the masses and casuals is what sells. The stupider the audience, this easier it is to entertain them.

    • @ededgeed
      @ededgeed Рік тому +1

      @@J.A.Z-TheMortal Don't be so negative about it - people just have a different level of involvement in a subject. They can enjoy it without being interested in the breakdown of specific plays...

    • @angryanakin
      @angryanakin Рік тому +6

      @@ededgeed but former pro players act stupid

    • @Ryan-wx1bi
      @Ryan-wx1bi Рік тому +6

      They are more worried about the important stuff. Like how Jokic was only voted for MVP cuz he's white. 🙄

    • @Yayopilled
      @Yayopilled Рік тому +17

      @@ededgeed nah its literally whats wrong with modern sports shows lol. all yelling screaming criticism but not constructive its toxic and cancerous

  • @AndrewLawton16
    @AndrewLawton16 Рік тому +144

    Jokic got me back into basketball. I saw some of his clips, which got me watching highlights, which got me watching analysis, which got me watching your channel.
    I've been watching your videos for a while and it's made it really easy to fall in love with basketball again.
    I haven't watched a live basketball game since Jordan left the Bulls. It's been over 20 years but I'm watching Denver vs Miami. I flipped on games 1 and 2 for some of the second half. I watched game 4 from the 2nd quarter onwards. I'm planning to just watch all of game 5. Never thought I'd see the day where I'd watch a full game, live but here we are. And I'm excited for it.
    What an incredible and compelling post season it's been. I love watching Jokic play basketball. I'm not sure I would have rediscovered that passion without your videos.
    Thank you.

    • @Gminor7
      @Gminor7 Рік тому +23

      Same for me, though it’s been over 45 years. I’ve just never cared about the iso-ball players. Discovered Jokic by accident abt 3 years ago & have been watching every game. Beautiful team basketball.

    • @josephmatthews7698
      @josephmatthews7698 Рік тому +14

      People said Denver was boring. Jokic had no charisma. Worst MVP in decades. Worst finals in years.
      I said Jokic and butler being on the biggest stage is one of the best things that could happen to the NBA. They both play very beautiful but also very distinct styles of basketball. A ton of new fans will start to tune in and the NBA won't be so top heavy with stars.
      If you love chemistry, team ball, quiet consistent dominance and lights out shooting Denver will make you a new fan.
      If you love hard nosed defense, battling for every point, unsung heroes, with ungodly shooting on some nights and stepping up your game when it matters then we got new Heat fans.

    • @jacobconnell7191
      @jacobconnell7191 Рік тому +1

      Welcome back to the game!

    • @erkinzahedi9666
      @erkinzahedi9666 Рік тому +1

      @@josephmatthews7698 Beautifully said!

  • @viperstrike0
    @viperstrike0 Рік тому +37

    Jokic is something else man. Dude makes it a point to be a quiet guy but not stay silent and his team listens.

  • @TheNextManimal
    @TheNextManimal Рік тому +32

    Haven’t seen Bruce Brown play since he left Brooklyn. He was practically an undersized 4 with a floater and corner three. Seeing him now essentially be the backup point running p&r on a championship team is incredible. I respect the work it took for him to get to this point in just two years.

    • @togfanatic3781
      @togfanatic3781 Рік тому +4

      so u just watch the finals ? hes doing it all playoff long making explosive point from the bench .

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому

      BRUCE BROWN DO IT ALL

    • @Relaxish
      @Relaxish Рік тому +2

      Bruce Brown been nice. He has great hustle and knows his role.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W Рік тому +1

      He has a different role with the Nuggets because his given skillset when he has Jokic/Murray optimizes his on court play. His cutting/hoop finishing adds value so he's not just a small dunkers spot guy. He's also just as feisty and physical defensively when he's gotta defend someone. He really does play to the whole size advantage the Nuggets want to flex.

  • @rollotomasse
    @rollotomasse Рік тому +107

    Miami is playing so disciplined it's hard to believe. Any other team would be blown away by this Denver..

    • @weirdo911aw
      @weirdo911aw Рік тому +42

      this is honestly the best way to see miami go. just being outplayed. theyre similar teams but nuggets are just literally bigger and more talented.
      love both teams

    • @imfinishedgrinding638
      @imfinishedgrinding638 Рік тому +24

      Huge respect for Miami. They're coming out swinging despite lacking the firepower needed to match Denver.

  • @CalebShimomura
    @CalebShimomura Рік тому +288

    The Spurs were my favorite team since I was a kid, mostly because I loved David Robinson. However, my time following the Spurs was mostly during the Big 3 era of Parker, Ginobili, and Tim Duncan. Ginobili is criminally underrated; he provided close to superstar value off the bench if BPM is anything to go by (seriously, check his BPM for his prime years), and Duncan is obviously Duncan.
    The Spurs are still my favorite team, and I am super excited for the Wemby years (especially if Pop still has one chip left in the tank!), but Jokic's Nuggets make me so happy to watch. I really hope they can be another Spurs team for another decade. If they can keep Gordon and Murray and maybe even MPJ for the next 7 years, I will be very happy for them. Malone has been Jokic's only coach for his entire career, and if he can continue to be that until Jokic retires, it will be incredibly satisfying.
    In so many ways, I feel like the Nuggets already are the spiritual successor of the Spurs, especially the 2014 title team. They drafted most of their core in Mal, MPJ, and Jokic. They have outstanding ball movement. They have an unselfish superstar who sets the tone for the entire team. They are coached well. Their main man feels like a combination of Timmy "I don't jump on defense" Duncan and Boris "Let's have pass-arounds instead of shoot-arounds" Diaw.
    Here's to unselfish basketball. I hope Jokic gets a full hand of rings and forces everyone to talk about him in the GOAT conversation.

    • @enzodapan5016
      @enzodapan5016 Рік тому

      on god!

    • @bait6652
      @bait6652 Рік тому +6

      Yup big fan of the spurs since early 90s...but surprised u didnt mention GSW whose core is also dev like spurs....esp w green being a swissarmy knife like Manu.
      Curry as unselfish as superstars come but like the Big Fundamental he uses his skillsets really well.
      Only difference is GSW gets luxuries like Iggy and Durant
      Vs Jackson , Tmac, diaw, dannyG Barry, horry and finley. gSW could still compete w/o those guys too.

    • @CalebShimomura
      @CalebShimomura Рік тому +17

      @@bait6652 This is a fair comparison, although I think the complete lack of ego of Jokic is what really sells the Spurs comparison to me. Curry is unselfish by NBA standards, but afaik he does care about the records and the accolades. Jokic, like Duncan, just wants to win. His game is an evolution of that desire. He makes the passes and shots because those are required to win. When he's not playing, he just wants to be left alone. Tim likes swimming. Jokic likes horses. They avoid the limelight. They're obviously very different players. But the person behind the play feels so similar.
      If the Spurs had drafted Jokic, I think Pop would be over the moon with how coachable and intelligent and lowkey he is like Duncan. Pop with Curry... I'm not sure how that would work out. I think they could make it work and win, but Curry doesn't quite fit Pop's ideal player mold.

    • @bait6652
      @bait6652 Рік тому +7

      @@CalebShimomura pops made it work w TP who was all flash coming to the league, Manu as well. The array of skillsets ,curry possesses makes its an ideal relationship cuz as fundamentally sound as pops is...hes also a pretty good wizard. whether pops needs that highIQ bigman who knows but hes had 3 going on assumingly 4 eras of them even tho LA(w DD) was bygone era.
      You make a good point about outta the limelight but that might just be the bigman mentality(aside from KG). but i think curry and pops could shape their behaviours atowards the other...
      After all pops did it w TP/Manu. And dellcurry could probably reign his kidd in.
      As for the accoloades....i think curry cares more about winning, he just has the skillsets to chase,(its like Ovie and scoring) All 3 have revolutionized the game...itll be interesting how jokic shapes the league the next 5 years as murrays injury delayed nuggets success

    • @CalebShimomura
      @CalebShimomura Рік тому +4

      @@bait6652 Oh for sure Curry cares more about winning. You don't win 4 chips without being focused on winning them.
      But yeah, considering Pop learned to let Manu be Manu, I think he could do the same with Curry. Plus, I'm sure there's a little of Pop in Kerr. If Kerr could let the wild decision-making and shot-taking go, I suspect Pop could find it in him as well.
      Idk about big men avoiding the spotlight, though. Off the top of my head, I can think of Shaq, KAT, Boogie, Embiid, Dwight, and Charles Barkley (not really that big, but he was round) as guys who were not afraid of making a case for themselves as great. At the level of professional athlete, where you have proven your ability to be greater than others time and time again before reaching the NBA, I think the default is to have quite the inflated ego. It's guys like David Robinson, Duncan, Jokic, and Curry who are the exception.

  • @enzodapan5016
    @enzodapan5016 Рік тому +106

    This team really feels like a modern iteration of the Spurs. They have a superstar that isn't flashy but is a big presence at the post, a solid PG that can pass and shoot, and a good coach and supporting cast that contributes well in offense and defense. Plus, the excellent passing from Murray and Jokic.

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому +2

      INB4 PEYTON WATSON KAWHI 2.0

    • @Kevinschart
      @Kevinschart Рік тому +6

      Solid PG? T Parker is an all star, finals MVP and hall of famer. When he was younger, he used to lead the league in pts in the paint. No one was faster with the ball than him.

    • @victorsarmiento9146
      @victorsarmiento9146 Рік тому +9

      Jokic is definitely flashier than Tim Duncan

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому +4

      @@Kevinschart Did he ever put up this kind of production in the playoffs? The year he won it they were so balanced. Also, In my opinion, Jamal has BECOME a better defender than Parker. Wasn't always the case...

    • @Sonicfan640
      @Sonicfan640 Рік тому +6

      ​@@debas3dare you seriously asking if Tony Parker ever put up this kind of production in the playoffs? The same Tony Parker who won finals MVP in 2007?

  • @BeanZauce
    @BeanZauce Рік тому +60

    Watching this as a Heat fan shows me how well the Nuggets executed to the point where it felt inevitable. I’m proud the Heat got this far but the Nuggets are the best team they’ve faced these playoffs

    • @harderway8568
      @harderway8568 Рік тому +4

      Heat doing it all right btw, they put a great fight and really try everything. All these games were close. Simply, you have less guys in rotations, and no real big man. Great season tho.

    • @PlagueRat-
      @PlagueRat- Рік тому +1

      It’s crazy huh! Spo and the heat have some great pieces. Joker can’t defend bam all that well, but your starting back court needs to move to the bench

  • @gilless429
    @gilless429 Рік тому +9

    Gordon's play over pretty much the whole playoffs has been amazing to watch. I always felt like he was sorely underutilized, and languishing in a system that just didn't match his play, when in Orlando. Seeing him, on the complete opposite end of things, in a system built perfectly for him to thrive, has been a thing of beauty.

  • @ededgeed
    @ededgeed Рік тому +52

    Jokic got me back to actually playing basketball... After five years of playing roll man and low post, I got bored... he made he realize I could play a whole other game - even though I'm getting older, slower and less athletic every year.
    It's such a pleasure to see him play. He reminds me of Zidane, he plays like a number 10, coordinating the attack, finding the right angle, the right pass, and like Zidane he's "slow".
    He's not slow. He just plays on another rhythm than everybody else.
    It's impossible to see his goalie technique and not think that football/soccer has made him a better basketball player.

    • @jasonanderson6232
      @jasonanderson6232 Рік тому +5

      I see the water polo player in him making him different from the U.S. players.

    • @Kevinschart
      @Kevinschart Рік тому +4

      i caught my first joker game early this season...i've been raving about him ever since. i love watching him play.

    • @markocvetanovic5311
      @markocvetanovic5311 Рік тому

      this is an AI response ,made by gpt probably ...

    • @jasonanderson6232
      @jasonanderson6232 Рік тому

      @@markocvetanovic5311 Curious what make's you say that, either asking if a human or ai wrote it, it leans towards whichever direction the question is asked.

    • @wwsciffsww3748
      @wwsciffsww3748 Рік тому

      @@jasonanderson6232 Jokic would be a monster at set, teams would double/triple team him every time and he’d still get lots of goals and assists

  • @35700Punk
    @35700Punk Рік тому +200

    That foot action to disrupt the pass is genius. There’s no foul called for it so it just another great way to defend pick and roll.

    • @samgray4
      @samgray4 Рік тому +68

      When I watched the game last night I didn’t realize that it was Jokic’s foot that forced the Lowry turnover. 😂

    • @melonusk6120
      @melonusk6120 Рік тому +30

      serbians play a different level of basketball 🤣🤣

    • @ObelixCMM
      @ObelixCMM Рік тому +36

      Jokic leads the league in kicks

    • @alexqq14
      @alexqq14 Рік тому +27

      yeah but why is that not a foul? its obviously not a basketball play. Props to Jokic for abusing it but this doesn't make any sense to me.

    • @stoox006
      @stoox006 Рік тому +43

      @@alexqq14 because it can be accidental and it's difficult to distinguish what is and what isn't, so it can't be a foul. However, the team does get a clock reset, so it can be to their advantage also, if there's a few seconds on the clock

  • @user-lw8ev4ot4j
    @user-lw8ev4ot4j Рік тому +92

    I love your analysis, because you break down a play and can make it look simple

    • @KobeLoverTatum
      @KobeLoverTatum Рік тому

      yeah you need it broken down simply

    • @cameronbernardo
      @cameronbernardo Рік тому +10

      ​@@KobeLoverTatum bruv you watching the same video...

    • @KobeLoverTatum
      @KobeLoverTatum Рік тому

      @@cameronbernardo i didnt agree it was a simple explanation, just that what he needs it explained simply 🤡 just as you need all this explained bozo

  • @maciekh4389
    @maciekh4389 Рік тому +56

    And many people slandered Jokić for the past playoffs, when he played with players that are literally out of the league right now. Campazzo was the backup pointguard! Third option on the team was Will Barton, who can't get minutes in Wizards. He got some help and look, he proved everyone wrong.

    • @jogendron6320
      @jogendron6320 Рік тому +1

      Got some help from the rest of the NBA eliminating all the good teams 😂😂😂😂

    • @amnesia998
      @amnesia998 Рік тому +19

      @@jogendron6320 Weak troll

    • @amaimon8031
      @amaimon8031 Рік тому +9

      @@jogendron6320 They weren't really good teams then

    • @uberneanderthal
      @uberneanderthal Рік тому +3

      NBA fans think it's a 1-on-1 sport, for some reason.

    • @Dr_Footbrake
      @Dr_Footbrake Рік тому +1

      @@uberneanderthal they’re worse than other sports for sure.
      “X player is no good cos he never won a ring” - you could put Bill Russell, MJ and LeBron on the same team but if the rest of the team were rec level players they’d never win a game

  • @AnacondaHL
    @AnacondaHL Рік тому +7

    1:35 this is incredible, seeing this in real-time during a game with the improved outcome later, thank you for highlighting this

  • @jupinski
    @jupinski Рік тому +13

    I love it when a league's narrative is accustomed to teams having to force shots and rely on 1v1s possessions to make baskets because "That is the way", then the Nuggets come, execute everything they can with cohesive squad control over the potential casuality of events, and everyone is obviously marveled. The Nuggets rely beautifully on everyone's good faith. This is why they win games. They don't just dance with the devil. They believe on eachother, making eachother believe on their tools. I still remember when a friend of mine sent me the clip of a Jokic assist in november 2016. He just makes everything in his own way, from the way he expresses himself to the cheering to the body language, and everyone loves him. He looks like a natural. The Neon Honey

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому +1

      Also see: Spurs, Warriors, Mavs

  • @bsn0730
    @bsn0730 Рік тому +17

    This team is so fun to watch! It's a shame I've seen so few games from them this season (although they were my favorite at the start of the playoffs). But the way this team was constructed around Jokic and Murray, the chemistry between those two, the way they keep the rest of the team productively involved, the way they *all* execute offense and defense... it's like watching the 2015 warriors again. I'd be a Sonics fan if they still existed but I think even if they were still around I couldn't help being excited for these guys.

    • @OctPSfever
      @OctPSfever Рік тому +1

      It is...Everyone equally contributes to team's winning. Sometime the role player screw the crap when it needs the most, but Denver all 5 men deliver their portion. I dont know its from their unique chemistry or believing in.

  • @RuinAngel
    @RuinAngel Рік тому +50

    It is scary how the Nuggets are winning comfortably when MPJ shot like crap in all 4 games.

    • @MrExcessum
      @MrExcessum Рік тому +8

      Imagine MPJ&KCP shooting lights out for just one game... 30+ points blowout every time.

    • @johnmarkson1998
      @johnmarkson1998 Рік тому

      MPJ has massive size tbf. if heat could have a big player getting rebounds and defending that shot badly they wouldnt mind him.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W Рік тому

      Also goes to show that MPJ isn't at that level as a scorer/shooter like Murray. Granted he made HUGE strides with his shooting in the regular season and spots in the playoffs. But if he becomes more vocal about increasing his role and touches, I don't think the Nuggets wouldn't be afraid to move him out as long as they can get a similar role type piece that can do similar things he does.

  • @LightStreak567
    @LightStreak567 Рік тому +13

    I'm glad somebody said it. It's not only the starters who win championships, the bench players are just as vital too.

  • @Kevinschart
    @Kevinschart Рік тому +7

    I love the adjustment MPJ made. he missed a lot of point blank layups, but he was being aggressive while the 3 pt shot wasn't falling. eventually he found his rhythm and started scoring the ball. Denver is playing actual basketball. Primarily looking for the shot in the pt, looking for the mid range, THEN shooting the 3 when it's open.

  • @themanmachine125
    @themanmachine125 Рік тому +118

    glad you pointed how good jokic was on defense in this game, wish the foolish talking heads would watch stuff like this and get informed. great video as always

    • @maxwellsdaemon7
      @maxwellsdaemon7 Рік тому +6

      I mean Jokic averages more than 10 rebounds a game. He must be doing at least something right on defense.

    • @themanmachine125
      @themanmachine125 Рік тому +4

      the narrative is that he's a turnstile on defense, this video pointed out the subtle ways he makes impact defensive plays...that's what i'm referring to

    • @christheophilus7154
      @christheophilus7154 Рік тому +1

      yeah it makes me upset when i see people posting that just because it's what they heard. it's similar to how so many people were saying that steph curry was horrible on defense. both players hustle and stay on top of their rotations. Poor defenders just let the play collapse because they weren't paying attention or didn't want to hustle into position. he might not be a total ball stopper all the time, but he can hound players into giving the ball up or taking a tough shot, which plenty for someone who is doing as much as he does on offense.

  • @ivan24zg
    @ivan24zg Рік тому +6

    At 2:15 you can also see Jokic instructing KCP to do a lob pass to Gordon with his finger.

  • @Trevor_Schindler
    @Trevor_Schindler Рік тому +13

    Anyone remember when ACL injuries were career ending? Good for Murray coming back better than ever. 💯

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W Рік тому

      Its less career ending but a huge blow for players who leaned *HEAVILY* into their athleticism. If you watched the Murray video from Ben bout 3 weeks ago, a lot of his game is great footwork, great shooting form and a mental tenacity with his scoring. Durant also recovered from one and it hasn't stopped him shooting over damn near everyone else that is too short to defend him.

  • @BronxHomes
    @BronxHomes Рік тому +19

    What else can Miami do? Denver is on another level.

  • @mondofps
    @mondofps Рік тому +3

    This is the best basketball channel out there, seriously. Applying nuance in analysis of the game. So much NBA discourse is utterly thoughtless nowadays and it's incredibly boring listening to anybody talk basketball except on this channel.

  • @Can-Duke
    @Can-Duke Рік тому +16

    Not bad for Jokic's runner up MVP, and Mike Malone's Seventh place finish as COY

  • @Kermit_T_Frog
    @Kermit_T_Frog Рік тому +5

    I cannot see how anybody cannot enjoy this style of basketball. The game is BETTER now than it has EVER been.

  • @jps3903
    @jps3903 Рік тому +32

    The reality is, Miami has no answer for Jokic if he’s playing well and anyone else has a pulse. He has an answer for every situation. Can’t double him because he’s too good a passer, can’t drop off him because he’s way too good a shooter and he’s big in the post. He was robbed of that 3rd mvp and I’m a Sixers fan.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall Рік тому +10

      For real, a bball player has ways to succeed when their shot isn't dropping. I think MPJ is a good example. He's been shooting like trash, but he is still hustling. If Jokic doesn't score a ton, or even get a lot of assists, he is still contributing.

    • @jonathanikeda8727
      @jonathanikeda8727 Рік тому +5

      Jokic did surprise many opponents by using his secret weapon- Shaq-style scoring. No one can stop him no matter if he is double-teamed.

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому +4

      @@shorewall MPJ has really impressed me despite his shot falling off a cliff. He's really good at cutting and his defense is a problem for Miami. We are simply too big and skilled on top of everything else.

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому

      @@jonathanikeda8727 If you watched him in the playoffs before you already knew about his scoring prowess.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W Рік тому

      I don't think Jokic cares about the regular season MVP that much. His style of play would lend that kind of recognition in the regular season anyway for those voters. The real gold Jokic strives for now is just 1 game in front of him. Meanwhile Embiid can hoard all those MVP trophies he wants but he gotta suck it up knowing he's dead weight in the playoffs.

  • @thesportsapex1787
    @thesportsapex1787 Рік тому +4

    Jokic is pure basketball genius and poetry, his knowledge and understanding of the game and all it's nuances are immaculate

  • @Primo_Kpodo
    @Primo_Kpodo Рік тому +53

    Ben I thought Christian Braun aggressiveness gave the nuggets the blueprint, Bruce brown and Gordon step up the aggressiveness and attacked

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому +6

      Bruce has been a sparkplug attacking off the bench all year. He has more points than all the other bench guys combined in the playoffs. It was definitely Braun following Brown not the other way.

  • @DanielS-gv5nj
    @DanielS-gv5nj Рік тому +3

    One thing that gets overlooked a lot when evaluating Jokic' defense is that his "low blocks" with relatively static positioning and no jumping might be a bit less effective than the quick repositioning and high contests of the likes of Bam and Giannis, but on the other side, it also means that he always has a headstart for the rebound. It is probably a bit difficult to measure but by the eye test, I would say Jokic gives up more points in the paint than elite rim protectors but also prevents more second chance points than most centers in the league, should the first attempt miss. That doesn't get him in the all defense tier but he is still much better defensively than one might suspect.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W Рік тому +2

      Yeah I think what you're saying tracks. In the regular season he was 3rd in total defensive rebounds. Also when he gets the rebound (usually in great position already with how he tracks the ball) he's a one man transition basket starter. Albeit more efficient than guys like Randle, Giannis or Domas who were also top 10 in defensive rebounds in transition basket starters off a rebound like that. He applies the same thing on the offensive boards though with how well his team shoots and position themselves, clankers off the glass or the rim are just cleanup baskets for Jokic that seems like a credited assist.

  • @praneat2694
    @praneat2694 Рік тому +1

    So happy to see this basketball style come back

  • @swoog10
    @swoog10 Рік тому +17

    There is no “supporting cast”-this is the TEAM OF THE NUGGETS. Every player on this team fills their position when it matters, that is why they are the greatest. Not because of some statistical anomalies or freaks of nature, but because the Nuggets have built an entire TEAM. Lets take it in 5! 🎉

  • @biongrenn8010
    @biongrenn8010 Рік тому +4

    And Denver's core has been with Coach Malone for years.
    So they are very familiar with each other.
    Adding Gordon as a versatile defender and a good cutter has paid wonderful dividends.
    That is the real "Trust the Process" project.

  • @rickymorales795
    @rickymorales795 Рік тому +3

    This team is really what they call a family. They dont care who shoots, they just want the highest percentage shot. They cover each other up on defense. Such a fun team to watch.
    This is closest to the 90's basketball where they dont rely or force 3's.

  • @lazerlazer
    @lazerlazer 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for all the hard work you did putting the video together

  • @noahx.classic
    @noahx.classic Рік тому +1

    I just want to take a moment to appreciate the straight balling going on. High level basketball from both sides with no whining, no flashiness or flopping. Just two teams giving it their all. Great basketball.

  • @dunnowy123
    @dunnowy123 Рік тому +4

    This is so true. We always look at stars, but when defenses are designed to stop them or slow them down, role players end up playing a key role, especially as series go on. If those guys can't ball, you're done.

  • @page8301
    @page8301 Рік тому +4

    The Nuggets are a dream team imho similar to the Warriors, great team ball led by a generational talent with all players being unselfish playing fully team oriented basketball and I love it. I would also like to mention that even if the Heat lose, they can still be proud of their playoff run. They are an amazing team all things considered and I hope to see the make deep playoff runs the next few years.

  • @vinipcplayer
    @vinipcplayer Рік тому +3

    6:20 joker and murray happy for brown...great team

  • @oliverkiesel3620
    @oliverkiesel3620 Рік тому

    This is the first video I’ve watched of you, and I’m very impressed with the breakdown of the plays. Well done sir, you’ve earned a sub

  • @fiffan8521
    @fiffan8521 Рік тому +2

    In some ways those Jokic “blocks” are more valuable as often times it means the ball is going the other way whereas traditional blocks end in the stands, which is cool, but also means ball stays with the offensive team.

  • @thunderb00m
    @thunderb00m Рік тому +58

    The greatest robbery this season is not giving Jokic MVP

    • @Emp_Nero
      @Emp_Nero Рік тому +10

      Kendrick perkins will never be forgiven for what he has done to an entire year of mvp voting...Tarnished by bringing up something that has no place in sports.

    • @onyxblack1167
      @onyxblack1167 Рік тому +3

      For me the MVP candidates are good... I have no complain who of the top would win, what pisses me off is narrative going to the voting.

    • @xavierb9061
      @xavierb9061 Рік тому

      His team was 6th last year..cant give it now when he has best teammates

    • @jasonanderson6232
      @jasonanderson6232 Рік тому +7

      If the MVP trophy was important to Jokic he would have gotten it. Instead he spent the season passing up shots to get his guys confidence. Of the players that played the previous season was only Jeff Green and AG, everyone else was new or coming back from injury. Jamaal wasn't strong in the 4th quarter till almost the all star game. Jokic sitting out games at the end of the season gave the rest of the team a lot of touches and game time going into the playoffs. He could have played those games and taken more shots, instead he gave multiple teammates their most efficient shooting season.

    • @debas3d
      @debas3d Рік тому +2

      @@jasonanderson6232 Both Jamal and Jokic upped their assist numbers this year. Everyone eating is the best strategy.

  • @ObaidKnight
    @ObaidKnight Рік тому +6

    On the KCP to AG lob did you notice Jokic called the lob to AG without even looking at him because he knew how. the defense would react

  • @mrmacross
    @mrmacross Рік тому +2

    One of my bball pet peeves is when people confuse the lack of all-star teammates as having "no help." Thanks for this vid.

  • @kgtd2160
    @kgtd2160 Рік тому +2

    Jokic's hand-eye coordination is insane. He's not a shot blocker per se, but his quick hands, size, standing reach and strength make him such a good paint defender. He's such a unique and incredible player to watch.

  • @eddiechen9968
    @eddiechen9968 Рік тому +2

    that KCP possession was CRAZY

  • @delugesofgrandeur
    @delugesofgrandeur Рік тому +4

    One of the most likeable teams ever.

  • @enzorocha2977
    @enzorocha2977 Рік тому

    Perfect breakdown and analysis as usual. Keep up the quality work!

  • @xKingxTitus
    @xKingxTitus Рік тому +1

    Jokic is something else man. His understanding of the mechanics of the court is off the charts

  • @poweredbypen6437
    @poweredbypen6437 Рік тому +39

    To simply put, MIAMI needs a PERFECT GAME to have a chance, every small movement and mistake Jokic makes the Heat pay.

    • @jonathanikeda8727
      @jonathanikeda8727 Рік тому +3

      How? Denver Nuggets' offensive plays are too much confusing and complex with many screens, cuttings and openings. No wonder how Miami Heat had lost their confidence in playing the games. Frankly, Nuggets' offense is at the different level.

    • @redeyexxx1841
      @redeyexxx1841 Рік тому +1

      @@jonathanikeda8727 They need another 50% lights out shooting to win a game (like in the second) whilst Denver is shooting less 30%.

    • @spartanA01
      @spartanA01 Рік тому +1

      Miami offense needs to be better, their defense is pretty good but there's only so much you can slow Denver down. Need to create more easy scoring opportunities and make them!

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W Рік тому

      Pretty much. The Heat need another anomalous shooting game to force the Nuggets to play at a higher scoring pace. I don't know if they have it in them considering the Nuggets are also due for a big shooting game themselves. Sure MPJ has been ass but with the Heat trailing in this Finals, they do NOT want a lights out shooting game from him or the other Nuggets shooters.

  • @flipsolo
    @flipsolo Рік тому +2

    First Jxmy, then Coach Nick, then Thinking BBall in quick succession, man I love the NBA Finals!

  • @arp_909
    @arp_909 Рік тому +2

    Loved seeing Jokic getting fired up on the sidelines when Brown was going off. Great team, fully deserves to win the title

  • @humanrich
    @humanrich Рік тому +1

    Denver just always looks alert in each play. You can see such a solid mindset when they play. They’re not getting bogged down by any flaws or mistakes, just focussed on the next play and next opportunity. Players and people could learn a lot from that.

  • @dzan5191
    @dzan5191 Рік тому +15

    Full respect to the Heat, but Denver is just the better team with the best player on the planet right now.

  • @solliskuxxswag
    @solliskuxxswag Рік тому +13

    Murray 12 assists 0 turnovers is insane

    • @ivan24zg
      @ivan24zg Рік тому +1

      Elite playmaking. I wish he develops it more and averages 20-10 in the next season. It would free up Nikola for more scoring and would make Denver offense even more efficient.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W Рік тому

      @@ivan24zg Jokic's play making is more efficient. And being taller, he sees the floor better so he can hit some difficult ass passes like the no look quick ones in traffic or even skip passes that smaller play makers struggle hitting a dude from across the court. What counts is that Murray's handles are just as good to probe against defenses which gives the Nuggets 2 guys with elite handles. Also helps Aaron Gordon's handles are decent enough in certain matchups and he's also a willing passer.

  • @jaredmorell8216
    @jaredmorell8216 Рік тому +2

    That play at 6:35... just amazing teamwork.

  • @JDankens
    @JDankens 3 місяці тому

    5:25 i remember watching this, what a hustle. Defense often overlooked in NBA but it comes up huge in the playoffs.

  • @mattcantstop
    @mattcantstop 10 місяців тому

    2:16 when Jokic cuts to the middle and points up saying to lob it to AG it was so good. The man controls the game even when he isn’t touching the ball. The epitome of making everyone around you better. And recognizing Gordon as well for being a PERFECT compliment to everyone else on this team. The trade for Gordon won them a championship (among other things, of course). Excited to see how the new draft picks do this year.

  • @blantant
    @blantant Рік тому +2

    kCP and AG were great. And what a 4th by Bruce Brown

  • @ra5315
    @ra5315 Рік тому

    This is the best basketball channel on UA-cam, and second place is distant. Please keep doing this for the rest of my life. :)

  • @evakozo3593
    @evakozo3593 Рік тому

    This vid is one of the best commentaries of game 4.

  • @ginvodka3115
    @ginvodka3115 Рік тому +1

    this years Nuggets is like a dream team! no injuries and the quality of role players hungry for their own chip (2ndfor kcp if ever they win this series)! the addition of AG, kcp, brown, braun are really solid! they are great 2way players on their positions and the lack of someone being a diva within the team seems really new as they are focus on team basketball atm. hope this team sticks for years!

  • @bender4183
    @bender4183 Рік тому +3

    Thank god.
    I was prepared to take up arms if AG was not on the thumbnail

  • @chatfieldfan4423
    @chatfieldfan4423 Рік тому

    Perfect breakdown. Thank you.

  • @krisxchirbas9503
    @krisxchirbas9503 Рік тому +4

    Denvers versatility is quite impressive. Obviously you have jokic, but Murray is also very versatile. He can be a scorer, a playmaker, can play off ball, can defend fairly well. Their role players are involved in so many little actions that utilise their skillset. Gordon's athleticism, Bruce browns ability to drive on less agile defenders. They seem to be masters when it comes to exploiting what an offence gives them, their players are all so smart, not just jokic.

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W Рік тому +1

      When it comes to the modern spacing game, having multiple great ball handlers is a big thing. Not just connective passers whom the Nuggets at the core are already good at. That is why when Jokic and Murray are cooking on all cylinders, they can get around how the Heat want to defend them. Then you factor in Gordon's good handles and his passing when the Heat are trying to lock down the Nuggets Big Two and that helps opens the gates on offense. Granted the rest of the players may not make their shots but when they do, there is no defending this Nuggets teams because not only are they too big, but they can come at you at all angles or feast on easy mismatches for buckets.

  • @KmtS9
    @KmtS9 Рік тому

    Is it bad that i enjoy watching your videos more than watching the actual game? 😅 Seeing all the nuance and detail you point out just elevates my appreciation for basketball. Thank you for your hard work!!!

  • @kizitokatende412
    @kizitokatende412 Рік тому +1

    Please do another top 10 players series like u did from 2019-2021. I loved it

  • @ashleychambers-my2kc
    @ashleychambers-my2kc Рік тому +2

    Best film analyst in the game!

  • @dbanting6289
    @dbanting6289 Рік тому +1

    Excellent content

  • @trentyz
    @trentyz Рік тому +2

    Great to see Jokic finally getting recognised as an above average defender. Sure, we all remember the memes from last years' playoffs when he was abused in the pick and roll, but with a good system and good complimentary players, he has excelled in playing his role in the defensive sets. His basketball IQ is so high and he's way fitter than people think he is.

  • @sskmanentsa5326
    @sskmanentsa5326 Рік тому +3

    Yes; supporting casts are important, but one needs to play a style that unlocks and keeps them involved all the time. You once detailed the rise of heliocentric offenses, in which I say the ball dominant style is not conducive in helping your teammates thrive. It is why LeBron's team struggle without him on the court per se as he has built a culture of dependence on him and it is mainly true for any star who "doesn't have enough help".
    When you have a star like Curry or Jokic; everyone knows what to do because they've practiced it and those repetitions allow them not to be flustered when call upon hence why both can have a "bad game" and still blowout the opposition in the FINALS.

  • @epicvicroyepic6725
    @epicvicroyepic6725 Рік тому +1

    Cant wait for the jokic all time breakdown either next video or podcast

  • @CodyvBrown
    @CodyvBrown Рік тому

    incredible video

  • @ach2lieber
    @ach2lieber Рік тому +1

    Jokic is essentially a coach on the floor. These are without a doubt two of the smartest teams in the NBA.

  • @Jknessmic
    @Jknessmic Рік тому

    Great breakdown.

  • @petarpetrovic6731
    @petarpetrovic6731 Рік тому

    Well done

  • @violaballs
    @violaballs Рік тому +1

    Just seeing the way Joker explained to Gordon what to do to beat the trap convinces me that he is a savant.

  • @yunan9610
    @yunan9610 Рік тому +2

    Jokic here playing Basketball, volleyball, water polo, American football, and football, all at the same time

  • @GustavoSilva-ny8jc
    @GustavoSilva-ny8jc Рік тому

    1:45 That's amazing!!!

  • @makedredd299
    @makedredd299 Рік тому +2

    Andre Igoudala and Shaun Livingston supporting casts was the Golden State Warriors secret ingredients for the Warriors dynasty.
    They don’t have that now without them.

  • @anandpandey5331
    @anandpandey5331 Рік тому

    Oh man Thinking Basketball and Jimmy Highroller both dropping vids. todays a good day

  • @edingacic546
    @edingacic546 Рік тому

    Your cerebral analysis of the game is truly remarkable.

  • @bryanseegmiller4750
    @bryanseegmiller4750 Рік тому +2

    If you look at the box score and play by play of the game, the statistician somehow did not count the play at 3:20 an assist for Jokic. Makes me wonder how many stats and records are completely off if they can miss something this obvious

  • @namenome3680
    @namenome3680 Рік тому +2

    Turnovers really hurt the Heat.. and the way Gordon player in first q was freaking glorious

  • @Wenturi
    @Wenturi Рік тому +1

    Holy moly, Jokic figured out what Miami were doing in second position of the night. God damn that guy is smart.

  • @cyberpunkalphamale
    @cyberpunkalphamale Рік тому +1

    Real Basketball Content.

  • @bciriak
    @bciriak Рік тому

    Jokics' IQ is just insane... its shining throughout these playoffs... just look how he actually reads the game even without ball, without looking at Gordon and just signaling to KCP (who was actually already passing the ball, props to him)... here at @2:15 INSANE!

  • @delugesofgrandeur
    @delugesofgrandeur Рік тому +1

    Bruh, Jok's one finger "dude is behind me wide open lob that shit while not even looking at his teammate is amazing".

  • @MrSamoanmaniac
    @MrSamoanmaniac Рік тому +4

    Denver is literally playing fundamental basketball n it’s so beautiful to watch. No deep curry 3 pointers! Just real team ball!

  • @jackfrostt2296
    @jackfrostt2296 Рік тому

    insane game

  • @manoi54
    @manoi54 Рік тому +1

    These young boys all deserved a ring because of their sterling performance in the hardcourt.Ball rotations is the key not only to one player shooting in the 3 pt lane..DNuggets in 5🏆

  • @paulaljouny230
    @paulaljouny230 Рік тому

    You made me think different about basketball ❤️