Maybe Sun in 4th house can be sketchy because it makes the ego the foundation of your chart. Like the 4th is at the bottom of the chart so I think of it as the thing literally holding the chart up. If your foundation is your own ego, your own perspective, your own will, I could see that getting shaky easily, and showing up similarly to the Lilith in Aries you mentioned. Plus if your will is the foundation of your life, you're probably more likely to try to enforce that will, good or bad. Maybe can also be someone who has a hard time understanding other people's perspectives. Hope I'm onto anything here lol
I think you are!! This is all a fantastic point!! The fact it's at the bottom/base of the chart is such a smart perspective. Def pinning this comment cus it's such a helpful observation!!
Shaina, am so sad that there is not information about the time P diddy born, because I really want you to make a video about the whole case when it "ends", I put it like that because I heard they are going to have a trial next year. There are so many theories and everything is so horrible and there is so many people involved in this that makes me wonder how little we know, how they were able to hide this for so long, it's so messed up.
You really did the work for this one!❤ Would you be interested in the Menendez trials? I know lots of people are talking of them because of the ‘monsters’ show but I refuse to watch that as seems offensive and silly and I’ve already seen various videos on the case years back and recently watched the newer documentary ‘The Menendez Brothers’ on Netflix which was a fairly good refresher (I feel) although now I’m deep diving 😂 on the defence lawyers and prosecutors as I feel there’s something interesting there that’s not seen. Anyway thought it could be quite interesting as also has an overlap with the OJ S trial, odd sketchy people and a massive question of whether the murders themselves were done out of fear that day or planned (this could be the only lie they made) but this focus gets lost in proving the boys trauma history (which I personally believe is 100% true no question but). I also wonder looking at their personalities and history whether they or one would have maybe had criminal tendencies and acted on them if they’d been let out early up to a certain time and was it actually a blessing to them and healing to actually be and stay imprisoned, was this their personal heaven in the end? Sorry babbling but wondered if you’ve looked at much ❤
i always see 4H placements as things that are easily hidden from the public (opposition to MC). 4H isnt as sketchy or offputting as 12H/8H on the first impression. it's best of both worlds for not any raising eyebrows. emotional impulsivity tracks as 4H planets gets comfortable & the furthest away from anyone's scrutiny. I also think it's a big thing for 4H suns to not need validation from authorities. And ig sometimes it results in doing things down low to fulfill their ego, ykwm? I don't think 4H suns are horrible by itself, it's just discreet. This might be the only crime case where I've seen this much mars conjunct pluto in the perpretrators' charts. Yikes (I have this).
Agree- best of both worlds for not raising any eyebrows. However, I have seen some 4th h suns get butthurt when people don't pay attention to them, but maybe they then realize that and use it to some weird advantage?? And I do see what you're saying with it being the lowest point of the chart=low hanging fruit to satisy their ego. And yes omg the mars-pluto natures i noticed instantly. I think it's a very intense aspect actually and it makes sense with the idea of someone else controlling you to do something aggressive!
@@shainaemily I think you are right about 4H sun, esp if their chart setup is similar to the k!llers you discussed in this video. they want validation from their caregivers, or immediate family and friends instead of authorities or strangers or the world at large. I liked this 2 part series, so much work went into it and it shows. Such convoluted events and people in this story. organizing it must've had you in a brain knot.
@@_.bubbles.03_ I’m still confused honestly. I keep going back over it and nervous I messed up about things. I’ve been so absent from TikTok all week cus all I’ve been doing is editing this!🥵 that’s so sweet of you to mention it tho🥹
i think the south node leo in the 4th house also speaks to why there is so much leo energy around him .. he created a "family" and was the leader of it to his own benefit
I've been told that Taurus would be the cult leader while Scorpio is the cult itself along with what's done within the cult. Think like Malcolm X (Taurus sun) or MLKJ (Taurus rising) while not leaders of a cult necessarily they were leaders during the Civil rights era and for its various organizations. Hitler (Taurus sun) would be an example of what's more aligned with cult leaders/cults. So it makes sense that the Manson family all have Taurus-Scorpio energy.
Not a serial killer, but I have a 4h sun in Scorpio conjunct Pluto and had such a bad anger and violence problem I thought I would end up being a serial killer. Took a lot of therapy and some grippy sock field trips to get it under control 😆
right! I don't have the same case, but I am introverted and everyone was speaking how weird I am, so when I was a teenager I thought I may born with psychopathic tendencies. But nah, am normal, they are just asshole who can't stand that someone is different.
Funny, I knew about Sharon Tate, because I was investigating muses of the 70s, and then I got to her and her story of been killed pregnant, I felt so sad but I was like "hold on, why this seems sus?" and then I realize it was related to Charles Manson and I felt like stupid for no recognizing her as the victim of Charles Manson, anyways.
I would love to watch a video about the astrology of the assassination of Gianni Versace!!!! So many people involved so it might be a lot of charts, but I’m so interested
Can you talk more about the North and South Nodes? I read so much conflicting info about the nodes. What you said about the North Node happening anyway and the South Node being what we want resonates and I haven’t heard of it being talked about like this.
@@meieyka7450 my top is from goodwill years ago. My bracelets are from little bazaar, my earrings are from the oddities expo, and my necklaces are from tunnel vision and Minga London!
Maybe Sun in 4th house can be sketchy because it makes the ego the foundation of your chart.
Like the 4th is at the bottom of the chart so I think of it as the thing literally holding the chart up. If your foundation is your own ego, your own perspective, your own will, I could see that getting shaky easily, and showing up similarly to the Lilith in Aries you mentioned. Plus if your will is the foundation of your life, you're probably more likely to try to enforce that will, good or bad. Maybe can also be someone who has a hard time understanding other people's perspectives.
Hope I'm onto anything here lol
I think you are!! This is all a fantastic point!! The fact it's at the bottom/base of the chart is such a smart perspective. Def pinning this comment cus it's such a helpful observation!!
@@shainaemily YIPEEEE ty :3
Shaina, am so sad that there is not information about the time P diddy born, because I really want you to make a video about the whole case when it "ends", I put it like that because I heard they are going to have a trial next year.
There are so many theories and everything is so horrible and there is so many people involved in this that makes me wonder how little we know, how they were able to hide this for so long, it's so messed up.
omg same!
@@rowanjoy419 honestly SAME they gotta find his time or something during the trial cus I’m DYING to know
@@shainaemilyi’m pretty sure that hi has a moon /venus or mars super bad aspected,like mercury square moon
Great video! Loved the analysis. TY.
SLAYYY been waiting for this drop
You really did the work for this one!❤ Would you be interested in the Menendez trials? I know lots of people are talking of them because of the ‘monsters’ show but I refuse to watch that as seems offensive and silly and I’ve already seen various videos on the case years back and recently watched the newer documentary ‘The Menendez Brothers’ on Netflix which was a fairly good refresher (I feel) although now I’m deep diving 😂 on the defence lawyers and prosecutors as I feel there’s something interesting there that’s not seen. Anyway thought it could be quite interesting as also has an overlap with the OJ S trial, odd sketchy people and a massive question of whether the murders themselves were done out of fear that day or planned (this could be the only lie they made) but this focus gets lost in proving the boys trauma history (which I personally believe is 100% true no question but). I also wonder looking at their personalities and history whether they or one would have maybe had criminal tendencies and acted on them if they’d been let out early up to a certain time and was it actually a blessing to them and healing to actually be and stay imprisoned, was this their personal heaven in the end? Sorry babbling but wondered if you’ve looked at much ❤
i always see 4H placements as things that are easily hidden from the public (opposition to MC). 4H isnt as sketchy or offputting as 12H/8H on the first impression. it's best of both worlds for not any raising eyebrows. emotional impulsivity tracks as 4H planets gets comfortable & the furthest away from anyone's scrutiny. I also think it's a big thing for 4H suns to not need validation from authorities. And ig sometimes it results in doing things down low to fulfill their ego, ykwm?
I don't think 4H suns are horrible by itself, it's just discreet.
This might be the only crime case where I've seen this much mars conjunct pluto in the perpretrators' charts. Yikes (I have this).
Agree- best of both worlds for not raising any eyebrows. However, I have seen some 4th h suns get butthurt when people don't pay attention to them, but maybe they then realize that and use it to some weird advantage?? And I do see what you're saying with it being the lowest point of the chart=low hanging fruit to satisy their ego. And yes omg the mars-pluto natures i noticed instantly. I think it's a very intense aspect actually and it makes sense with the idea of someone else controlling you to do something aggressive!
@@shainaemily I think you are right about 4H sun, esp if their chart setup is similar to the k!llers you discussed in this video. they want validation from their caregivers, or immediate family and friends instead of authorities or strangers or the world at large.
I liked this 2 part series, so much work went into it and it shows. Such convoluted events and people in this story. organizing it must've had you in a brain knot.
@@_.bubbles.03_ I’m still confused honestly. I keep going back over it and nervous I messed up about things. I’ve been so absent from TikTok all week cus all I’ve been doing is editing this!🥵 that’s so sweet of you to mention it tho🥹
i think the south node leo in the 4th house also speaks to why there is so much leo energy around him .. he created a "family" and was the leader of it to his own benefit
AGREE!! omg
I've been told that Taurus would be the cult leader while Scorpio is the cult itself along with what's done within the cult. Think like Malcolm X (Taurus sun) or MLKJ (Taurus rising) while not leaders of a cult necessarily they were leaders during the Civil rights era and for its various organizations. Hitler (Taurus sun) would be an example of what's more aligned with cult leaders/cults. So it makes sense that the Manson family all have Taurus-Scorpio energy.
Jim Jones as well being a Taurus sun would go along with being a cult leader.
Not a serial killer, but I have a 4h sun in Scorpio conjunct Pluto and had such a bad anger and violence problem I thought I would end up being a serial killer. Took a lot of therapy and some grippy sock field trips to get it under control 😆
right! I don't have the same case, but I am introverted and everyone was speaking how weird I am, so when I was a teenager I thought I may born with psychopathic tendencies.
But nah, am normal, they are just asshole who can't stand that someone is different.
The clarification though😂❤❤
Sun in the 4th... could be someone with a suppressed mommy complex... releasing their anger in inappropriate ways?
Funny, I knew about Sharon Tate, because I was investigating muses of the 70s, and then I got to her and her story of been killed pregnant, I felt so sad but I was like "hold on, why this seems sus?" and then I realize it was related to Charles Manson and I felt like stupid for no recognizing her as the victim of Charles Manson, anyways.
I would love to watch a video about the astrology of the assassination of Gianni Versace!!!! So many people involved so it might be a lot of charts, but I’m so interested
Can you talk more about the North and South Nodes? I read so much conflicting info about the nodes.
What you said about the North Node happening anyway and the South Node being what we want resonates and I haven’t heard of it being talked about like this.
I'm pretty sure I spoke about them some more in my 'outer planets in astrology' video. There are timestamps if you wanna skip right to it!
girl can you pls a video on Casey Anthony, and the dynamic of her family?
4H Suns often seem unable to fully individuate. How this can translate in mass murderers I don't know though :) Great video!
Hey Shaina, can you share where your top and jewelry from please 🤩
@@meieyka7450 my top is from goodwill years ago. My bracelets are from little bazaar, my earrings are from the oddities expo, and my necklaces are from tunnel vision and Minga London!