TRINITY vs CRIT | MM DPS Showdown!
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- This is a Showdown between TRINITY vs CRIT Build with 12 Marksmen!
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NOTE: Because Layla's Damage can scale with her Distance away from enemies, her test is not 100% representative of a realistic situation :)
Guys, I'm sorry but I effed up the timers in the vid 😅, because I used 60 FPS on the timer, but the footage was in 30 FPS. The timing is in Seconds:Frames. But to get the correct timing you have to multiply the seconds by 2, and divide frames by 2.
E.g Timing shown: 1 second : 40 frames
Actual timing: 2 seconds : 20 frames
Emblem Used (Except Wanwan):
Trinity Build - Marksman Emblem (Swift, Tenacity, Quantum Charge)
Crit Build - Marksman Emblem (Fatal, Tenacity, Quantum Charge)
Wanwan:
Trinity Build - Marksman Emblem (Swift, Tenacity, Weakness Finder)
Crit Build - Marksman Emblem (Fatal, Tenacity, Weakness Finder)
What will happen if there's 2 enemies in Hanabi's test?
Crit build mm emblem?but why?
@@Valerii-n9l tho it would be better usually to use assassin emblem, it's more common to see marksmen equipping the mm emblem bc that's the emblem they have levelled up to the max or they're just choosing it for the extra attack speed & lifesteal
Many marksmen mains dont have a high level assassin emblem even after the emblem changes
Same goes for mages, that's why u see many mage emblem users in the leaderboards
@@kalleousvoncheez not a single crit marksman like Layla/Lesley/Bruno or bruiser like Brody/Popol/Granger/Beatrix never gonna play with useless attack speed+lifesteal instead of pen even lvl 30 assasin emblems gives more profit
I don't think it's fair since trinity build damage scale with hp and crit build scale with physical damage, crit build should use BoD, malefic roar and deadly blade instead another attack speed item
Some marksmen just have way more benefits using either builds like bruno with crit bcs of his passive or claude with trinity bcs of his multi basic atks. While others have to use the right build against the right enemy comp. If enemy is full of squishies then u can go crit to quickly burst them down, go trinity if theres more than 2 tanky enemies.
But overall, trinity has the better results because its consistent unlike crit build which is by chance.. and also that trinity lets u be able to push turrets faster meanwhile you cant crit hitting turrets making u attack slower when taking down turrets.
Your typing speed is insane - prolly 200 WPM 🤣
Yeah, I still prefer Trinity's consistency. Though Crit can really mess with enemy's when you get lucky. Also, good point on the Turret damage.
funny enough i was typing with one hand bcs im eating rn xD@@RubyRubyRubyGaming
@@IsoyaYasuji 🤣I beat your typing speed tho hehe
@@RubyRubyRubyGaming im not really used to typing on the laptop fully so xD
It’s just the dhs which makes the diff, u don’t build like that when u go crit, if u have tanky enemy u add dhs and it’s gg, some hero benefits more from the trinity than other I was just curious for moskov and miya and hanabi, the other r obvious in the way for the build
Despite the plus minus damage and aspd the critical has something trinity lack of and that was a high lifesteal to sustain the battle
Well now they revamped scarlet phantom into Haaws claws so that's not a problem anymore
@@DumplingKhaii you pretty much got them the other way around lol
It never matters anymore if you can sustain the battle when the enemies in late game can stun you and kill you with one burst.
@@MeiLiuSection2 not that much of an issue if you got map awareness
@@MeiLiuSection2 I would say that in the way the meta has developed recently, that's not always so simple. We're in the middle of a "sustain meta", where regen effects have a noticeable advantage, and any hero who can survive long enough to receive such effects has their durability increased by far more than it would initially seem. Thanks to the new emblem system, marksmen and other squishy heroes are now able to make use of more defensive emblem set-ups like Tank Emblem, Support Emblem, or Common Emblem, and even those that opt to make use of Assassin or Marksman Emblem to maximize damage still have the option to use strong defensive talents like Brave Smite or Tenacity. You'll even see Pull Yourself Together every now and then from players who would like to abuse their battle spell and items like Wind of Nature. Add to that the fact that Rose Gold Meteor has been steadily buffed in recent patches, it is now a remarkably effective tool for survival in almost any situation. Even more recently, support heroes who offer survivability to their teammates (i.e. healers and shielders) received buffs and adjustments, so you'll be seeing support heroes swooping in to save the squishy heroes more often. In the current meta, it is simply far easier for marksmen to survive against burst damage and regen back up to an adequate amount of health to continue fighting, provided they don't get too comfortable.
You gave me proper warm-up lessons about comparisons of Trinity vs Crit. Now I as 5k Main Miya am able to prioritize more. I could only hope at least 3/5 of Enemy comps consist tanky ones for Trinity usage.
Wow, 5k! That's pretty insane bro. Glad to help 😉
As Miya, even with tanks, just go DHS, Malefic, Berserker and haaz claws
It's quite funny in wanwan's case since I imagine you might want the build with less overall damage and more attack speed to trigger your ult properly, and not kill your enemy before that
I would also like to highlight Sea Halberd along with either builds. The 2nd passive of SB greatly synergizes with Demon Hunter Sword with it's percentage based damage, along with the awesome 1st passive of SB that negates sustain happy heroes. Lastly, it's relatively cheap for an item with 80 damage and 25% attack speed. Once again, awesome video man.
Yeah, would be interesting to see the difference if the boots was replaced with Sea Halberd
Nice suggestions 🤩
Good work on pointing out Layla's damage scale I was actually about to comment that
I played with trinity Layla and although it's fun it's not a recommended build for her at all
Even against tanks crit+penetration+range dmg is better
If you are against a really tanky enemy throwing in sea halberd or demon hunter should be enough
Aye, Layla's showcase was the one that probably was a little more unrepresentative of her actual damage.
It's a great video and really does show a great comparison between the trinity & crit builds in general with these marksmen.
However, it's important to note, that these exact builds & emblems won't always be the same as shown in this video. I'm not trying to hate or say anything in this video is wrong, I'm just want to add that to be a good marksman player, one must understand basic gold efficiency & itemization choices. For example, when using a marksman that can utilize both builds equally well such as Miya, you have to take into account your team & opponent's hero composition: Does your team have enough heroes that can push well? Are the opponents mostly tanky or squishy? Is your lane counterpart going to build the trinity build or crit? Heck, is your lane counterpart even a marksman?
Understanding these things can help you make build decisions such as choosing either build. The trinity build will work well against tanky enemies with high HP & helps for a much faster push, & the crit build will deal much more damage against enemies with generally lesser defense & HP such as most mages & marksmen. Ofc, this isn't always the case, as such marksmen simply deal more dmg with only one of these builds. Take Bruno & Layla for example, their kit makes much better use of the crit build than the trinity build, usually regardless of the opponent's lineup. Other marksmen such as Hanabi, Claude, & Melissa, benefit way better with the trinity build all the time due to their multi hit basic attack nature. Some marksmen dont even use either build & are either a mix of both or none at all, having their own unique usual build, such as Clint, Brody, Beatrix, Kimmy(for the love of having a decent game, dont ever play her in gold lane unless forced to💀), Wanwan, & Natan. I'm tired & have a lot of homework to do, so I won't go into detail on these heroes' builds. But you really have to understand who is "stronger" in your lane, who is winning the trades, prioritizing some low-tier items above others depending on what you're building & other more advanced stuff not usually applied in lower ranks. So I suggest you just do some research & learn what you can about the MM you're using, & try to have a general idea for every marlsman in the game to make your games better. I hope this helped someone, & hopefully ppl actually read this far bc im so tired rn💀😭
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Thanks for the write-up! Yes, it's better to understand the items AND heroes in-depth so you can make the right adjustments when necessary. Pro builds are merely a guide to the most general build, but situations change and "general" doesn't occur all the time. 😄
I actually read the entire thing 😅
@@RubyRubyRubyGaming Exactly man. I sometimes see Eudoras in rank not even building lightning truncheon having the most absurd looking builds bc they dont need full dmg playing very well rotating with the roamer. I've noticed Winter Truncheon has been very popular lately among burst heroes lol🥲
@@Heliotropic95 I appreciate it
Winter Truncheon: If you're dead, you can't do any damage 🤣
In Wanwan's case is important to freeze that there's a huge difference between both builds during the Ult, since it only has 35% attack effects, while basic attack is 110%....
Crit is a now quaternity consisting of Windtalker, Berserker's Fury, Haas's Claws, and Great Dragon Spear. If you build only 3 of the items, it will be trash compared to trinity. I have been telling people since the crit revamp to stop building incomplete crit, but thanks for making this video showing video proof incomplete crit is trash. Even on Irithel (who is designed to be played Crit), the trinity build performed better because Great Dragon Spear is a core item for her. Same for Bruno in certain lineups, but this is also due to inconsistency in luck with crit chance. Great Dragon Spear gives an additional 20% crit chance, bringing it up to 80%. It provides the same extra DPS as BoD despite being much cheaper and giving you much more consistency with crit chance as explained below.
Also, a lot of the variation with some heroes against different lineups in your video like in the case of Bruno might also be due to the inconsistency with crit build's damage. I'm not sure if you did repeated trials or not, but how long you it takes to kill is entirely dependent on your luck with crit shots, which is why how long it takes to kill the bot once may not tell the whole story. The variation is larger with incomplete builds with lower crit chance. You can use the binomial distribution to model the variation. As a player, you should not pick builds with a huge dependence on luck as opposed to skill because otherwise your skill ceiling will be capped since at a certain point, your luck matters more than your skill. That's yet another reason to build GDS as you'll have much more consistency with 80% crit chance vs 60%.
If you want to build WoN, go for Trinity build with a MM suited to it. Crit is absolutely not worth it in this case as you have to choose between incomplete crit or losing Malefic roar, neither of which are viable. It gets even worse as the enemy can build Blade Armour to counter you harder. If you want to go for crit, build all 4 crit items on a suitable MM.
Strongly recommend crit wanwan now. Just overall better experience because of the lifesteal (more time for u to unlock your ult)
My build: Corrosion, Haas, Berserker, Rose gold, Blade of despair + crit mm emblem
Last item: Sea halberd or Malefic (depending on enemy roamer, former for support, latter for tank)
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No shoes? I play Layla and I dare not go into battle without my shoes .... 😢
@@emmanelabam1251 this is wanwan not layla xD
Interesting build, not usual to see a Wanwan without DHS, & only having Malefic as a situational item.
@@emmanelabam1251 shoes are important. Feet get hurt without them 😭
That's actually pretty useful , i am not an mm main and don't have chance to play i that much and sometimes when i get the chance i don't really know what build will be better ofc i know trinity ffor tanks and heavy fighters and crit for squishys but realised many things in this video and what will happen in different scenarios
I also wish if you can make a video for attack based figthers like thamuz sun argus zilong etc ,even in shorts format if there wasnt much basic attack figthers
Okay, I'll see what I can do!
(Warning: The length of this comment is comparable to an essay.)
The difference between Claude's Trinity and Crit builds scares me, and I remember seeing someone say that he/she sometimes plays Crit Claude. I won't talk much about Trinity, I want to talk more about Crit.
I rarely use Windtalker anymore, I mostly use Haas' Claws. I think the most important core of a crit hero must be Berserker's Fury. But don’t buy it as a 1st item. All crit heroes must have it, except Leomord who has 100% critical strike when facing Max HP below 50% enemies.
The next crit heroes are divided into two types, one I call them "Attack Speed Crit" and the other "One-Shot Crit". Let’s talk about “One-Shot Crit” first. As the name suggests, they all rely on crits to one-shot the enemy. For example, Natalia with Great Dragon Spear and Berserker's Fury. Another example, Lesley with Berserker’s Fury. For this kind of hero, I usually only give one or two crit items. Since their skills can also help them improve their crit chance, they don't need that much. Of course, there are heroes that are not "One-Shot Crit" and I only give two crit items, such as Clint and Freya. Freya's skills give her a lot of attack speed, and she doesn't often just use basic attacks. Haas' Claws' lifesteal cannot be maxed out. So I only gave her Berserker's Fury and Great Dragon Spear, and Haas' Claws was replaced with Endless Battle. It's different with Clint. Clint's Burst Damage is enough, and I like to use these two pieces of Crit to improve his Burst Damage. Even EnemyKiller (Top Global 1 Clint) uses them. Currently I am also following YiFan’s recommendation to play crit Alucard, but it really requires luck, 50% Crit Chance😂.
Of course, there are more special situations. Crit Items other than Berserker's Fury have no other use to Lesley except providing Crit Chance. The Great Dragon Spear is good, but Lesley doesn't really need CDR. The Ultimate grants Movement Speed is okay, but Lesley's Ultimate lasts a long time and cannot maximize the effect of the Great Dragon Spear, which is a bit of a waste. Beatrix and Leomord both have "1% Crit Chance to 1 Physical Attack". After Haas’ Claws was revamped, it had little effect on Beatrix. As for Leomord, after much thought, only the combination of Great Dragon Spear + Leomord is the most perfect. I stopped using Blade of the Heptaseas + Leomord, after all Leomord is better at teamfighting than ambush.
Next, let’s talk about “Attack Speed Crit”. I will definitely give them Berserker’s Fury and Haas’ Claws to both of them. If there are crit heroes who already have good attack speed or have a long attack duration like Aulus, Argus and Bruno, I give them Great Dragon Spear. On the contrary, if there are crit heroes who need more attack speed or need more attack speed due to passiveness such as Layla, Miya and Moskov, I give them Windtalker. I never give four crit items to a crit hero because they have more and better options. For example, many people now like 4 crit items Bruno, but I don’t use Windtalker. Since Bruno's marksman attack duration is a bit long, I don't recommend it. I use Wind of Nature, not only to be immune to physical attacks, but also to gain a bit of attack speed and lifesteal. For non-marksman players like Zilong, I usually just look at the situation. For Argus, I give him more attack speed, for Zilong, I give him Blade of Despair, etc. Irithel is currently my only hero with 4 crit items, I'm still experimenting, she may be my only hero with 4 crit items build.
Thanks for this super detailed write-up! 😄 Love it
The layla test should be repeated, due to layla's passive which gives her more damage further u are. Critical will hit a lot harder with the additional range of first skill and you could put another bot with dominance ice to replicate the slow effect.
Tysm for this video, i was testing new Popol and Kupa builds variations and your video helped a lot! ❤
Glad I could help!
Hiii i just noticed that all the test were done with long range marksmen getting too close to the target, maybe if u simulate it with the actual range during a normal battle like layla using her passive IF it would end in a different result since the passive of dominance ice wouldnt matter because of layla's range and some other heroes, also if you could change the item to sea halberd instead of wind of nature to see the full damage potential of both builds. Nice and informative video btw!:) kudos!
Yeah, Layla is probably the most affected one due to her Passive. I'll see what other showdown features I can do!
@@RubyRubyRubyGaming Looking forward to it! thanks for taking the time making these videos, its actually beneficial for everyone may it be old or new players:) cheeers!
Very good comparison for all mm. Really hard work for you. 👍
Thank you! 💛
Mind doing highest dps build for Kimmy like is it Magic stacking or crit or pen build, also you forgot to add the other option to trinity build witch is feather of heaven + glowing wand in comparison for mage mms like natan and Blade of despair for the crit builds insted of boots.
Always thought its nice to have the trinity build on champs that hit multiple targets or cast multiple basic attacks in 1 click like Claude, Hanabi, Miya etc. I build crit/atk spd on Layla, Bruno(sometimes) etc
it's all about the synergy on their kit, if they scale on crit, ofc you have to go crit or else you're missing out, if the hero has a way to apply on-hit effects consistently then trinity is better.
Now I'm using Trinity on every mms
I'm surprised by the results with low def squishies like wtf
This remind me of how the synergy of items and hero really important. Big damage + crits => squishy enemy team, attack speed + hp percentage damage => 2 or 3 chonky hp enemies
This is Very Interesting Results But few Factors To Consider Like Layla First Skill Can Crit And Hurts Like Heck or Karrie Ult cant Crit even Thought Basic attacks can..... It really depends on How much The Particular Marksmen Benefit on a certain Item... That is Why I Always Prefer Hybrid Build rather that Sticking to a Particular Combo
Yeah, I could probably improve on the testing
You would think that the very high def crit would've been less likely due to having crit reduction from blade armor but it seems to have made it worst
Do note the HP is lower on that bot though, because I ran out of item slots for the bot. Unfortunately, Practice mode kinda sucks on MLBB. 😐😐
@@RubyRubyRubyGaming right, blade armor has no HP
I just realized that the crit damage now compared before was so low and thank goodness cause crit damage before was hell
It is even more hell now cause of haas claw with a full crit build
You can do 2000damage every hit with 100%attack speed bonus to with the right build
As expected, Trinity works well against heroes with high hp, like it was intended to be.
I mean most of it comes due to dhs and its passive thats why
Great work as usual
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Crit is generally better but it has downsides.
With Windtalker, Haas and Berserker, you only have 60% CRIT RATE. 80% if you also have Dragon Spear. Compare that to Trinity which guarantees damage based on the enemies Current HP%.
Crit also has less ATK speed overall, not to mention Blade Armour giving you 20% CRIT DMG reduction.
I still prefer Trinity's consistency tho
@@RubyRubyRubyGaming precisely why it’s a generally better option
Actually, that 60% is enough to deal crit dmg, not to mention the crit rate bonus from Emblems.
This shows you how it takes u pnly 0.5 secs to die wheb out of position
I'm top 10 Singapore wanwan player, and have personally tested the new builds that maximizes dps output based off her ult. You will need a mix of berserker, DSS to deal consistent 14k dmg with inspire on high tanky high def players
I think crit Bruno doesn't require windtalker, since he gets reduced atk spd anyway along with getting his double balls trick ruined.
Would be much better with a Hunter Strike/Rosegold Meteor, keeping the gold value almost same, or BoD if gold isn't a concern.
Yes, but I was trying to keep to the same build for the point of the video 😁
Trinity for tanky heros a critical for squishy , but better to mix them together to have the best damage
i was waiting for a lesley build comparison cos that would be super funny, thought would be the last mm on this video HAHAHHA
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Just subscribed. You put a lot of effort into your videos. I appreciate it.
Thanks for the sub! 💛
I'd like to note that the time before death everytime the enemy has DomIce in the video is much much shorter in real games, as most of the time MMs will be far away from you that they won't get the Atk SpD Debuff.
Also notice how even in the tanky build with 200+ Phys Def which is about 50%+ Dmg reduction some of these monsters can do 500 or more crit damage, lets just say Berserkers 240% Crit Damage is just unfair even if you wear lots of Armor, that's even without them wearing Malefic or other Pen items, im not saying Def items suck at their job, its just that the game was made offense oriented than durability.
Yeah, game was designed to be fast paced so tanks get the short end of the stick unfortunately
Particularly if they made the tanks more durable,the game would be either longer or the same.The damage dealers wouldn't take advantage as well unless they use the right items to counter the damage.
Well depends on the heroes...... Burst damage mm like clint, lesly, brody granger are better with crit build...... Attack speed mm like moskov, clade, hanabi works best with trinity..... Some mms are better with hybrid build (dhs,corrosion scyth, berserk's fury, malefic roar) like layla miya....... Ultimately ur skill matters most not only in game also about what suits you...... My personal favorite is clint .... Always use crit build on him..... His late game damage is crazy
miya trinity with inspire backdoor feels different. if u get lucky u can end the game with 1 minion
Can't tell you how many times I've seen this
Oh wow gotta try this💀 I've been using crit and full dmg build on Miya, so that I fear no enemy when I got full items. Would be fun destroying base with trinity build😍
@@aiaugustine6548 Try it. It's pure satisfaction
If im not wrong Ixia uses a fighter-type build right? Hunter's Strike, Malefic Roar, Corrosion Scythe, Endless Battle and Defence?
Yeah, but I thought it was worth a shot testing her with these builds anyways to see how it goes 🙂
@@RubyRubyRubyGamingyes yes I know it's just for testing purposes, was just confirming if it was just me running the odd build 😅
I haven't seen anyone using trinity on Irithel
conclusion: just use a mix of crit+dhs without golden staff on most. now you beat up squishies and tankies. lol.
Main issue i have is this
With crit i usually build blade of despair instead of shoes and instead of the dmg immunity thingy i also get the dragon spear for 20% more crit
And with those 2 items trinity wont beat it FOR SURE
Blade of despair is really good for crit build because of its physical damage addition.
Wind of nature is mainly used for its attack speed and physical damage immunity, it doesn't contribute much damage for crit buld.
Dragon spear is good for skill caster hero that can crit like clint.
Imo, you shoul use deadly blade because of its physical damage and attack speed, and the passive that counter heals and shield regen and the higher damage to high hp enemies
Bro I like ur videos. Can u plz make an analysis video on Sea Halberd?
A couple of things: Trinity allows you to build def boots which is very important
KARRIE-golden staff is always recommended to Proc true damage
MELISSA- will be hitting multiple targets so you hit both high AND low damage targets simultaneously.
Damage wise, trinity better if enemy got tanky heros, could be against tank jungle, tanky exp and tank. Trinity helps melt them faster. However it lacks the sustain from hass claw.
If u can finish game within like 10-14 minutes it doesn't really matter which build u go for( for hybrid heros who csn benefits from both builds) Unless in heroes like Claude where trinity is the most. Heros who benefits more from cric iteam, like Bruno. Cric build is recommended for him. Squicky heros are melted quicker with cric iteam are pretty self explanatory. Cric build deals extra damage critical damage which to the squicy heros with no or very little Armor hurts. And tank with high physical defense can pretty much tank it. Trinity build gives attack effect and does hp based damage thanks to dhs. So it makes sense what we see in the video.
At the end of the day. If you are fed u can easily dominate enemy dispite going for any builds. Remember each games are different so change in builds are bound to happen. Even just the order u build certain iteam matter a lot. Alright good luck for your games.
Informative content, keep it up King🙏🏻👑
Thank you! 💛💛
You need highest stack passive in every single hero to make this video more practical
Well unless you start every fight you take at full stacks, that's not very practical either 😅
Can you do an emblem talents comparison? Specifically
Thrill(+16 adaptive attack) vs Invasion(+5 adaptive pen)
And
Master assassin vs Weapons master
Never even in my wildest dream that i'll thought trinity irithel doing better than crit damage-wise. But at the end of the day, cannot fully utilies Great Dragon Spear is a demerit itself for Irithel.
The fact that I use crit build with DHS and Corrosion Scythe makes this weird for me
Best build Would be Crit Build+Dhs :)
Clint, Brody, Lesley watching this video while eating chips
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Me, who doesnt buy boots and adds demon hunter sword in crit build🤭
Still depends on the hero tho. Melissa is both good in trinity and crit. Layla is better with crit because of her passive and 1st skill. You can just add dhs if there are tanky enemies. And Bruno, need to say more? Hahaha
As usual, "It Depends" 😅
Crit Melissa is evil bro😦
Can you do ones where the build is hybrid, like for wanwan, she mainly uses corrosion dhs and crits/atk speed without golden staff, or for ixia i uses corrosion dhs then burst, etc.
For example try melissa would she benefit more with corrosion dhs then golden staff or then crits?
Thanks for the suggestion. I might do one in the future!
I think for these heroes, they're gonna need their own videos to compare all these builds & emblems haha
We'll just have to wait & see what Ruby has for us in the future
Man , time to change build again after the video. :( For melissa , kupa and irithel changing back to trinity from crit for anti tank. I tested crit build against angela, tank enermy feel like something is just missing that day. My team mate chat 'mm no damage lol'. Now it is proven why
To put it simply, ATK Speed is for tanky heroes, while Crit is for squishy heroes. It also depends on what the marksman's passive and/or skills are based on; whether they're ATK-SPD based or Crit based.
The trinity build seems to just be straight up better then the crit build. Though I think with BOD instead of WON might help close the gap since crit scales better with more damage. Still its safety over damage then. Also Layla standing up close also makes her much worse since her passive scales with distance and it doesn't really seem to make her damage numbers realistic unless a tank is right up in your face which shouldn't be a common scenario. In that case I feel the crit build would be better for Layla since she doesn't really want to be up close and her damage numbers get super boosted by the crit build.
It also seems like the corrosion scythe and golden staff seem to mitigate the passive of dominance ice which is pretty great. Though realistically it might not be a factor when attacking at a range. I feel there should have been more comparisons done up close and from far away to really get some more realistic scenarios. Buuuut that is probably a lot more work to do.....
Still it seems like the trinity build is just straight up better then the crit build for most marksmen with a few exceptions like Clint, Lesley, and other marksmen who have passives that negatively stack with the trinity build. Though crit wanwan was keeping up really well ngl. I wonder if the trinity build is better for Zilong or the crit build. Moonton please nerf the trinity build. It's too op
Yeah, I wrote in the pinned comment to note that Layla's showcase wasn't exactly 100% representative of a realistic scenario because of her Passive. I might do another showcase from a further range in future 😉
@@RubyRubyRubyGamingplease do, although I have found out that with Layla, a mix of trinity and crit is most effective for me. I use Corrosion and DHS with berserkers fury and wind of nature, then penetration. In extreme cases tho, I could swap out WON for scalberd for it's passive, Punishment. But most times, it's not necessary.
I think the test with Layla was a bit unfair because of her passive where she deals more damage to enemies farther from her.
Yes, it was - I put it in my pinned comment that it shouldn't be treated as 100% accurate representation
Love it man, always love your videos because i love data and facts 😂
Glad to hear it! 💛💛
ngl the only crit build user rn is only viable on bruno, it's a shame tbh
Trinity still king 👑
irithel!
Well, it seems like it works with wanwan too. Most simulations of the crit build with wanwan were slightly better.
@@RubyRubyRubyGaming yeah im hoping crit builds are viable again in the future, since some crit fighters are very irrelevant in the meta right now
@@raihanrexo They should balance it so Crits are better vs squishy, while trinity better against tanks, so there's at least a dilemma in building
Have you considered the time to kill a hero over the gold cost of the trinity vs crit build? Just asking.
I didn't consider it as a talking point for this specific video since it was simply a damage comparison 😄
Trinity build only works perfectly to natural holders of demon hunter sword like claude.
Finally my good friend uploaded another splendid video ❤
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Nice video 👍
Thanks! 👍
Sad Crit builds works only with squishy hero without armor but the moment they countered it with blade armor and little bit of HP the Trinity bulldoze the crit build
I was waiting for that✊
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1.) Is the timer supposed to say how many seconds and milliseconds does killing take? Cause that second's too long y'know
2.) Or is the killing sped up and 01:10 would mean 11 seconds? But that's too long
-It's not that since once it passes 00:60 it becomes 01:01. And it's possible to attack that fast
-If it isn't an accurate representation of a second then why?
Woops, I messed up. It's supposed to be Seconds:Frames, but because I recorded in 30 FPS instead of 60 FPS, so the time is doubled. i.e. 1 second shown takes 2 seconds to complete. 😅
Also, 1:00 exists, perhaps you didn't see it clearly, but it doesn't skip the 1:00 count.
That's why I like mixed build
You did what was in my mindyou are a legend. Thanks brother. Its weird that its depends on hero and situation so mlbb build should read the hero description instead of copying pro builds 😂
Yes, indeed! Always adjust to the situation and don't tunnel vision on pro builds. The pro builds are just a guide to start your build, but it's still better to always understand the items fully 😄
Ty Ruby!
Please please make a video on ZILONG crit build vs Trinity build
Irithel with a trinity build is interesting. Would the results be different in normal play with her passive? Here it's constantly triggering
Possibly - Will have to do further testing
Bro, Sea Halberd is getting more popular in high tier, try to imply this on each of your marksman experiments.. No offense but, it's just need a bit touch between each "Add-on" Items, such as (Sea Halberd, Endless Battle, Blade of Despair)
Add-on means, it's an optional item, so Hunter Strike might count one.. Goodluck with next content about marksman, i find this channel really entertaining me
Thank you, I'll take the suggestions on board! 😄
ty for the video! for Claude, is this post nerf from the latest patch?
The video is accurate to Patch 1.8.20
I think trinity got better results at close-range because of its effects countering dominance's passive (hence of course, thorn armor countering crit), and a decent adc wouldn't shoot at dominance's range, so this missing shoots that crit lost with dominance, kinda altered the result for ME
My favorite part was when Ruby spoke😊
Such inspirational words😢
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Nice work bro
Appreciate ur work
I was wondering if u could add dhs in crit builds because players are building that for tanky teams on crit build, so it would be nice to compare with dhs on both
Otherwise trinity will always win because of dhs diff
I'll probably do another showcase for that one!
@@RubyRubyRubyGaming thnx
Try with BOD by replacing WON, it should give crit build with better advantage over the trinity build.
It should - but just keeping the test condition between the 2 builds more equal by using the same items
Even though Claude trinity build is better than crit I prefer the crit though I switch malefic roar and WoN for DHS and Corrosion and its very strong
I think crit build need BoD than windtalker, so crit dmg will be higher.
or i just use dhs in crit build if enemy is full of fighter/tank hero.
I wanted to keep the builds consistent to minimize deviation, but I get your point.
Are you able to do Shield VS DHS calculation when used on enemy with high/low current health then shield is applied(e.g Angela's Ultimate). And also tested with Anti Heal for both scenarios.
What about wanwans ult, and irithels passive seems weird in the video, like its permanently full.
I think that crit build is for squish enemy and trinity build for tanky enemy
Do argus analysis items
How does the bounce effect of Hanabi's attack effect the builds?
A build for irithel, when enemy are tanky sometimes to kill the squishy we need a critic build so to take down front and back. What kind of build would you recommend , oh and need wind nature for late game sometimes is inevitable so
I haven't tested it for now, but I'll probably test it and make another video for this 😁
Hi Ruby, can I make a video discussing build path for marksman and provide link to your video?
Sure thing
As a non mm player these 11 minutes gave me 69% winrate in all mm
"69" eh😂😂
😂 Nice one
Kimmy also gold laner where Kimmy
Me casually waiting for Granger to appear in the video
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Yeah trinity build is typically better but I feel that crit build is still used so much due to the importance of haas and it's lifesteal on certain marksman like irithel and bruno
Oh yeah, Haas really helps laning a lot in the early phases
Wow, awesome music 😯👍✨
Thank you! Glad to hear someone say that
different hero need different build.
some even better with hybrid build
Karrie is just terrifying
Still the one queen with the craziest shred 👑
can you make an analysis on concentrated energy item
It's in my list of future videos 😄
YI Sun-shin needs to cancel the rework🏹🗡️🏹🗡️🏹🗡️🏹🗡️🏹🗡️🏹
I hope they cancel it! YSS loses his identity without the weapon change passive.😭
No change it, YSS is dead in meta😢
@RubyRubyRubyGaming honestly the rework is interesting
It kinda explains his assassin role as he now adds weakness to enemy although yes weapon chnage is iconic it's not that it's removed just improved
Dang Clint, Granger, Beatrix, Natan, Brody, Lesley and Yi Sun Shin really forgotten here 😭Lmaoo jk I mean Clint, Granger, Brody and Beatrix are basically skill based so you basically have to use crit build on them 💀For Natan, definitely use trinity in my opinion it's more useful for his kit. For Lesley do crit build but have 1 attack speed item so Lesley can one-shot more easily. Crit build works better for Yi Sun Shin since he has a decent attack speed already and having more won't really do anything much from my experience.
Most of the tests here are pretty accurate such as Claude's who literally speaks trinity because of his multiple basic attacks at once and Miya, Popol And Kupa, Karrie, Hanabi and Moskov usually use trinity for the more tanky heroes, but I usually just mix trinity and crit for these heroes. Do recommend trinity for Miya, Moskov and Hanabi though. As for Layla since her damage depends on enemy range I usually think crit build is better for her, but trinity is fine as well.
I think one build that wasn't explained properly was Wanwan's. As her ult depends on how much attack speed she has, she basically needs attack speed items so her ult can just obliterate heroes much easily, trinity build is better for her in my opinion.
Question, say im using the critical build on let's say argus since he's my main hero, and the enemy have high hp and around 150 phy def. Should I get malefic for penetration or BOD to increase my crit damage?
With 150 enemy PDEF, it's likely that Malefic Roar will outdamage BOD.
I have a problem, do I need to use that trinity build for iri. Because in the game following that would result in weak damage unless we complete early and the attributed of wind considering it for early and gold earn. What do u think
Irithel may be suited more with crit with great dragon spear, but I have not tested this yet so this advice is purely hypothetical