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Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k: OutEx tubeless
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In the third episode of the Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k project I'm talking about OutEx kit tubeless conversion which I use.
I’ve included sections on why I use tubeless as well as I'm going through the issues I have with tubeless in general.
There is very important section on types of rims, talking about differences about the WT and MT rims and why we need to care.
There is a section on TPMS (tyre pressure monitoring system) I’m using.
Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k project playlist:
• Yamaha Ténéré 700
Chapters:
00:00 Intro & OutEx kit
00:59 Why tubeless
02:57 Main danger with tubeless tyre
03:48 Different types of rims - MT vs WT rim
05:45 How does OutEx kit work & installation
06:37 Tubeless issues/problems
07:55 Air leaks with tubeless
08:28 TPMS (tyre pressure monitoring system)
09:12 Outro
Resources/Links:
TPMS (generic, similar to what I have):
www.amazon.de/-/en/Motorcycle...
Sellers:
www.central-wheel.co.uk
www.ngrracingproducts.nl
OutEx kit official
www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~outex/tub...
OutEx instruction video
• OUTEX Tubeless kit for...
OutEx about rims
www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~outex/tub...
NortNine: Are Motorcycle Tires a Ripoff? The Darkside Car Tire Experiment
• Are Motorcycle Tires a...
Section about safety and rims starts at 4:09
Mounting tubeless tire with brake cleaner
• Set Bead on a Motorcyc...
Front tube blowout
• Motorcycle front tire ...
Alternatives to OutEx:
Bartubeless
www.bartfactory.com/products/...
Airtight System
www.central-wheel.co.uk/servi...
Episodes on-line:
1. Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k: Intro
• Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k:...
2. Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k: Damage & Rust
• Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k:...
3. Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k: OutEx tubeless
• Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k:...
4. Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k: Honda CB500X vs Ténéré 700 - why did I upgrade?
• Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k:...
5. Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k: Dead / broken headlight!? (no light)
• Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k:...
6. Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k: Guglatech air filter - review, wash & installation
• Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k:...
7. Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k: Dead / broken headlight!? Ep. 2: some light
• Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k:...
8. Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k: Problems & Solutions
• Yamaha Ténéré 700 10k:...
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Thanks a lot for your video! Tubeless cannot explode and this is the major advantage.
Really good clear videos....well done and thank you...
Thanks a lot! Appreciate, gives me push for the future ones. 👍
Hellfire, for a brief moment, I thought I lost my hearing on my right side.
Hehe, yep, messed up the audio in post processing, learning this video stuff ;)
nice video..useful.. the way you can stop air leaking while tire is decading is to use tire milk, i use iot in MTB tires ... it seals all small leaks perfectly... hope it helps
I'm back on the tubeless in the back so let's see how it goes. If it leaks a bit I'll try the tire selants (milk). Although now thinking about it... it may interfere with my pressure sensors.
Good thing that the perfect tubeless solution already exists (Bartubeless in Italy, same as used by RallyRaidUK and others)
Good info there, and answered some of my questions on converting to tubeless. My T7 is almost fully sorted now with the exception of the tubeless conversion, and I also run a TPMS so think I'll be ordering a set of these once this Coronavirus clears off !
Congratulations to T7! Any other questions? I’m happy to give answers if I know the answer. :) Yes TPMS and the tubeless especially with WT rim is a must! I’m waiting for corona to go away as well with my orders!
Hi, great vids! I was wondering with your recent adventures offroad, how it the tubless conversion holding?
Do you air down the tyres and if so, how much to ride safe without popping the bead?
Thinking of doing it on mine with 3M tape. Let me know your experience so far. Thanks and congrats for the content 👌👌
Hi, glad you find videos useful. The tubeless conversion holds perfect. I found few days ago that I have a bit dented rim in the front but it still holds well and with new tires does not leak at all.
I air down to 20psi for off-road no less, to be on the safe side, but I usually ride such hard tires that I'm not entirely sure if it does make any difference except in my head.
OutEx says min is 18psi if you don't have the tubeless safe rim, which I don't in the front. Rear I can ride as low as I want but front I keep aired up and with all the off-road training, log jumping and so on... so far so good.
I've done now 16k km on the system on T7 and about 60k km on Honda CB500X on previous trip.
With my T7 I'm planning to do a tubeless conversion but I will leave the tubes in. Is this recommended? I'm also using tmps sensors.
Great video, to the point. thx. Q. what are those tires that you have and what sort of impact (if any) did the tubeless conversion have on the choice in tires against how it came from the factory?
I have TKC80 in front and Mitas E-07+ Dakar in the rear. The tubeless does not affect choice of tyres but you can’t fit TT tyre anymore only TL ones.
i run outex tubeless and my ktm 690 and 790 adv rally. i have popped the bead off the front rims on both bikes. i use rim locks to mitigate the issue. since using a rim lock on the 690, it's hasn't happened again. one rim lock didn't prevent the bead from unseating on the 790 -i ride it like a dirt bike. so, i'm adding a second rim lock to the 790 front rim. we'll see.
Wow this is super interesting info! What pressure you run? Do you think you pop it off the bead because of the pressure or because you ride it like a dirt bike? I guess for the dirt bike riding the MT rim would be also solution...? Rim locks sounds like great trick!
@@FARANDFURTHER on the 690, i run as low as 14 psi in the front/rear. the 790 is fairly new to me and so i'm still experimenting. i was running about 24 psi in the front of 790, when the bead unseated. i think the bead came off because of riding it like a dirt bike. i intentionally blasted into rocks at speed to test the tubeless and custom rims. so, i was actually trying to unseat the bead and punish the rims because i wanted to find the limits of the setup, since it's new to me. i run excel takasago heavy duty rims, size 1.85 in the front and 2.5 in the rear. the challenge with rim locks is getting them to seal on tubeless setup. i've customized the rim locks to handle tubeless setup.
Sorry for late reply, UA-cam won't notify me on the replies to comments I already replied. GRRR...
This is great information, fascinating. Thanks a lot for sharing! I think we can conclude that with normal use it would be very difficult to unseat the tire!
So does the Excel Takasago rim come with the rim lock hole? Or you just drill it?
Really Really good info and nice T7!!
Thanks, glad you liked the video.
Did you consider the Tubliss system? It locks the tyre bead to the wheel rim all the way around so is even more effective in keeping a tyre on the rim than a normal tubeless system. However, it is not DOT rated for the road yet, so I guess each person has to decide whether that matters or not. It does not mean that it wouldn't pass the regulations, just that as yet as far as I know, it has not been submitted. Just me personally, I am going to experiment with it because I have have met KTM 500 owners who use it at 80 -90 mph road speeds. That said, a 500 EXC is a lot lighter than a T700, but I cannot see any reason why there should be a problem, after all the tyre is going to be running a lot cooler than it is with a tube. What does anyone else think about Tubliss?
Hi, I've heard about Tubliss system and I think for more agressive off-road it probably does make sense and maybe safer than the OutEx system I'm using (especially when I don't have tubeless safety rim, in the front).
I think I will give it a try at some point, at the moment OutEx works well, however it probably is not DOT rated and may be questionable solution due to front rim.
Hi, From El Salvador, i just Saw your video, very usefull. I got an outex kit for my Tiger800, but wasn´t sure it was trustable system. Now I trust it will work. Question: Where do i get that ScottyAustria Preasure reader? I looked for it on the internet and cant find it. Thanks. keep doing usefull videos.
Great to hear! I've put the link to the TPMS system I got from Scotty into the description! Not sure why I didn't do it before!
Thanks!
Hi can you please share the tyre sensor link and what kind of pump ate you using? Subscribed great value video thanks.
Hi, I asked the friend I got it from and here is the link:
www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B07546Z78P/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=tpms+motorcycle&qid=1587401260&sprefix=tpms+mot&sr=8-10
cool video and clear information based on your experience - great! i'd like to upgrade my t7 and your thoughts and comments are very helpful and highly recommended. for the tubeless system: does a tire sealant give additional safety or do you think that could cause problems? thanks for your answer - and enjoy the trails!
Hi, I'm glad the video has been helpful. Just keep in mind the minimum pressure and you should be fine. I'm now doing some harder off-road/enduro on the OutEx and so far no problems. I keep 20psi as minimum.
Tyre sealant will not give it additional safety, the risk of popping tire off-bead won't be mitigated by the sealant. You will only make your life easier as punctures will seal automatically.
I don't know if you could make it worse. Naturally if the sealant reacts with the sealing tape it would be bad, but I don't think it would be case. However best would be to ask OutEx on this one.
Some people commented here that they use rim locks with the OutEx, which makes a lot of sense and would minimize risk of tire popping off the bead.
FAR&FURTHER thanks for your answer - makes sense to contact outex directly. - rim lock: i use them on my standard tube tires, don‘t understand how to seal the additional hole in the rim for the lock nut. outex might have an answer on that as well.
Sorry I could not help more, but that is a realm I have not explored yet.
Great video, what brand is the TPMS or which one do you recommend that can withstand off-road riding?
Hi my TPMS is nothing special, it's one from Amazon. I think this one:
www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B07546Z78P/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=tpms+motorcycle&qid=1587401260&sprefix=tpms+mot&sr=8-10
Hey Buddy love your vids and the knowledge sharing. Can you supply a link for the Outex kit for T700...i'm having trouble finding it...thanks
Hi Khalid, there links to two sellers in the description of the video. Write them e-mail with what bike you need a kit for and they will be able to supply it. That's what I did.
@@FARANDFURTHER Thanks buddy...have subscribed and really looking forward to following your T700 experiences!
Thanks Khalid, always happy to help. I can't wait for COVID19 to pass! Has been long time stationary.
Great video, have also purchased the conversion kit and have a question, the nipples extend quite a bit from the wheel, and as the instructions indicate, should be grinded flat and smooth. I am not really prepared for this, did you have this issue, what tools did you use for this task. Thanks
Hi, sorry for late reply. I did not grind the spoke nipples. If you're patient and careful you can apply the kit without problems and leave the nipples as is. So far I have no issues after about 25kkm on the kit.
Maybe I missed it, but do you use a latex sealant in motorcycle tires? I'm a mountain biker and tubeless with sealant is the only way to go. Does the general speed of a motorcycle vs a bicycle make a difference in regards to sealant?
There is no latex sealant in my setup. It's a tape which is applied on the spokes (nipples). A lot of people combine this with the latex or other sealant products in case the tape fails or there are leaks around the rim.
I don't think there is big difference between the two, but effectively the tubeless on the bike is like tubeless on the car. The rims maybe a bit different from the mountain bikes though.
What about putting a mousse to help the front tyre not to lose bead contact?
Possible, maybe I don’t have any experience with mousse, so I really can’t comment. People mentioned they use rim locks.
Interesting that I have not come across a single vid/article on tubeless motorcycle tire conversions that mention the use of sealant. It is SOP to use sealant on tubeless mountain bike tires/wheels, and there are even sealants with higher temperature tolerance specifically for motorcycle tires. Seems to me that using sealant should be standard in MC tubeless conversions, and not just thought of as something to help stop leaking after a flat. Keep in mind that sealant should be used sparingly; just enough to get into the entirety of both wheel beads.
Hi Steven, by “sealant” you mean something like Slime? The liquid which you have in the tyre to automatically seal when you have flat?
@@FARANDFURTHER Yes. Any quality latex sealant.
Would you be able to point me to a brand, just for an example. I know few products like Slime but that is not designed (AFAIK) to seal the spokes. The one reason I see for something like OutEx or Bartubless is the fact it will last through multiple tire changes or allow emergency tube use.
@@FARANDFURTHER Sealant alone will not seal spokes. Rim tape is still necessary. My favorite brand is Orange, after that; Stan's.
@@stevenhill2204 Aaaah! Now I get it! Thanks 👍
Is there any rims already made for the tubeless tire ouh can fit whit the Tenere 700
As far as I know you can only buy the tubeless ready rims - MT - rims and convert them to tubeless. DID, Excell, SM Pro sells the 21” MT rims that’s how BartTubless works or SMPro Airtight a system.
Rally Raid, UK offers a complete set build with EXCEL rims: Yamaha T7 Bartubeless Wheel Kits-RRP 639
www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/yamaha-t7-tenere/yamaha-tenere-t7-billet-hubs-wheels-tubeless-bartubeless
Hey Pavel! Great channel - subscribed.
may I ask how tall are you?
I would also like to buy a Tenere. I am unsure about my height.
I'm 172 cm tall, and I'm not sure if the Yamaha Tenere will fit me.
Your opinion is very valuable to me.
Hi, I’m 168cm tall. I have to say that I can barely reach the ground with my feet. I’m tip toes all the time when putting both feet down. I can flat foot on one side when I move my ass to the side 😂
I’d give it a test ride for sure. You can get used to it but especially in off road it requires some skill and planning. Or just don’t stop then it’s all fine 😂
@@FARANDFURTHER many thanks - I want to remember that not to stop, and when I'm down and someone asks me, then I say Pavel said not to stop 😂
Is Pavel spelled correctly 🙄
Great video! Where did you order that TPMS from?
Thanks a lot! I'm not sure from where the TPMS is exactly. It was a gift. They have loads of them on Amazon though.
FAR&FURTHER What was the manufacturers name?
Hi, I asked the friend I got it from and here is the link:
www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B07546Z78P/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=tpms+motorcycle&qid=1587401260&sprefix=tpms+mot&sr=8-10
one other issue I would have.....I use Dynabeads for balancing (love them) so if I understand that right the beads would start sticking to the tape inside, so if anybody is using a dynamic balancing system - this would be a problem...right?
Good point, as usually! I think the OutEx would probably not be best option in this case. Once you apply sticky tape, on top of it you apply white protective one which is not sticky. So most of the surface is not sticky. But obviously the sides will remain as it’s impossible to do it perfectly... so some of your Dynabeads would stick to the sides, yes.
Do all Yamaha Tenere's in black already come with all the accessories such as skid plate, engine guard, or did you buy those separately?
It does come with a 2mm alu skid plate but that’s all, rest you have to buy.
Is it possible to buy a safety rim for the front
Yes it is, there are rims from Excel or SMPro which are tubeless ready for the front.
I don't know why they can not bring them out tubeless then if you want to put tubes in you can , a lot harder the other way around.
Because the real tubeless rims are very very expensive. Manufacturers do save money everywhere they can. Also there are people who do prefer the tubes.
Sorry I'll stick with tubes, levers and repairing are pretty straightforward , certainly not a front without the safety lip to stop that tyre rolling off the rim
That is absolutely fine.
what size rims come on the t7?
21” front 18” rear
@@FARANDFURTHER sorry for not clarifying. i meant the width of the rims. e.g., on my 690 and 790, i run size 1.85 in the front and 2.5 in the rear
Tenere has 21 × 1.85 & 18M/CxMT4.00 says service manual.
For next video be careful your right/left sound is not well configured I guess I can only hear from the left side
Sorry for the audio, probably messed up something during recording or edit. Will watch out next time.
@@FARANDFURTHER no problem, super nice and instructive video thank you ! Hope to have more soon
for some reason no audio will download and check
How did it go?
I watch this video with headphones on and I can only hear audio on the left one.
Sorry for the audio, probably messed up something during recording or edit. Will watch out next time.
No trae tensor o deslizador de cadena en offroad se va a salir, por último la versión rally pero no lo trae, mal por yamaha
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Buy bike with tubed rims instead of bike with tubeless, convert it to "tubeless" via some kit. Yeah, fuck logic.
A common practice on KTMs and Africa Twin.... I know world is mad.