What if France Won the Seven Years War? - A Historian Reacts
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It NEVER gets old watching you say something, resuming the video and them saying in one sentence where you left off.
Actually VTH, I think it would Cody has a point. Pre revolutionary France wasn't one kingdom, it was a patchwork assortment of small duchies, counties and cities that all pledged alliegence to the Crown, but they had their rights and obligations. It takes the Revolution, and the massive upheaval caused by the revolution for the unitary state to even come into being. in the absence of the revolution, it's possible the guild system has a great deal of power. Industrialization would eventually force an 1848 style revolution potentially in France, but the guilds did something similar in the Austrian Empire.
Agreed
I disagree. France had formed something of a proto national identity during the hundred years war. And this was further built upon by following kings and culminated with Louis XIV and his absolutism. And absolutism is by definition possible only in the unitary state. That is not saying that there werent many distinct legal particularities differring throught France, but France was nowhere near close to the true patchwork of HRE
@@TheMarecek05 That's not entirely accurate. All the three great absolutist monarchs, Fredrich the Great, Catherine the Great, and Louis XIV were not commanders of unitary states. Granted, it wasn't as patchwork as the HRE, but (if I'm not mistaken) all European states were patchwork kingdoms, with varying degrees of control. That was the consequence of feudalism. As with the other two, Louis XIV's sucessful absolutism was dependent on his adamantine resolve, something his successors did not inherit. Had Louis XVI been as tough as Louis XIV, the revolution would have had a different course. This matters with respect to control because the local parliaments would often protect their own prerogatives against L XVI's decrees. It was the political background within which the Estates General was called. The proto-French identity was good for the subject peoples to relate to one another, but it takes the Revolution for the French to fully forge their identity as a unified nation. They changed from the subjects of a single king to the people of a single nation thanks to the Revolution. And I wasn't comparing France to HRE, but to the Austrian Empire, which had trouble with their guilds during the 1848 revolution.
@@ImperiumMagistrate 1) Didn't deny Louis' contribution,merely recognized that there was still a patchwork system when it came to implementation of laws. Any decree made by the Crown had to be registered in every local parliament, where members of the parliament had established norms that could be used to delay or deny the crown. That was one of the major problems that L XVI had which eventually led to the calling of the estates general, especially since taxation on the nobles required the acquiescence of the parliaments. 2)The French Revolution create the ideological skeleton of French identity, and had the King stayed in France and retained his head, The French Revolution would have been more of a Reformation. The Revolution divided France after the trial and execution of the king, though, yes, the Revolution did mark the beginning of the modern political spectrum (through I would argue that the old dichotomy of Populates and Optimates was the Roman precursor to the modern spectrum). 3)As for Industrialization, what I argued isn't that it could be halted completely, but that it could it slowed down, which is what happens on Austria pre 1848. Even French industrialization didn't kick into high gear until Napoleon III who operated as an enlightened absolute monarch during his time as Emperor. One only need lookatthe present to see that industrialization of an economy is more of a spectrum than a binary state. The guilds would slow down adoption of tech and could convince their local lords to place tarrifs on mass produced goods,until the economic and political pressure was too great for the rulers concerned.
@@ImperiumMagistrate 1)WRT the parliaments, the patchwork I was referring to was more on the executive ability. I don't think we disagree nearly as much as you think we do. Cody didn't argue that the French weren't French,merely that the centralized, idealized identity wasn't similar say to contemporaneous English identity. Not that it wasn't nascent pre Revolution, but the revolution coalesced ideas of nationalism in a way that even absolute monarchs had trouble creating. 2) Could you point me to source that describe L XVI's economic ideas, I'm afraid I'm not as familiar with them as I am say with some of his ministers, who tended to either be physiocrats or free marketeers. 3) I think I mixed up industrialization under Louis Philippe and Napoleon III, my mistake. But I don't know if the free market would have had the same room for experimentation, especially when we consider the repeated natural disasters that cause the famines. Those conditions made revolutionary conditions more likely than less, unless Louisiana made up for the loss to the harvest. Those conditions would have made the people more likely to cling to the guild system, which offered security, as opposed to the market, which didn't.
I agree in general that this video has a few predictions I disagree with as it goes further from the time of departure. the biggest thing for me though is that not mentioning India at all appears to me to be a big oversight. The fate of India is one of the big results of the 7-years war that would influence the balance of power and is a lot less speculative than exactly how industrialization would interact with the new history 100 years from the point of departure.
100 % agree ,,,, and you have to add the opium wars !! the opium forced sold by the uk to china was produced in bengal !! and that was huge for the wealth of the english elites. chinese tea for bengal opium, indian cotton without this cotton the industrial revolution in england would have lost an important fuel ..english coal lead to steam power which helped to produce textiles with indian cotton ( then egyptian and american cotton became competitors but indian cotton was first !).
Hello from Poland! Love your content! As a Pole, I would like to share some knowledge and thoughts of mine in context of the Polish section of the video.
1. The French protectorate thing. Problem with Poland is that it already was a protectorate - Russian protectorate. Since the Great Northern War Russian ambasador in Warsaw and Russian bayonets were significant element of Polish politics and every single monarch was Russian puppet - heck, king Stanisław II August Poniatowski was straight up Catherine the Great's lover and was elected in 1764 only because Russian troops surrounded Polish nobility at the Sejm (Polish parliament) - some of them later rebelled (Bar Confederation - essentially anti-king and anti-Russian civil war). I simply can't imagine situation, where Russia allows France to take over their puppet - France even attempted it once (War of the Polish Succesion - essentially, Louis XV tried to put his father-in-law, Polish nobleman Stanisław Leszczyński at the Polish throne) and lost.
2. Polish partitions - well, event played out in somewhat different fashion. First partition of Poland (1772) wasn't a result of Polish revolutionary ideas, but the Russo-Turkish War, which completely disturbed the balance of power in Europe - Austria was both iritated and scared of Russian succeses and, in order to keep the power balanced, partition was proposed - at first, the target was meant to be the Ottoman Empire, but it was later changed to Poland to satisfy Prussia - king Frederick the Great wanted to annex Polish-owned Royal Prussia (or West Prussia, as it was later knowned) in order to connect his possesions in Brandenburg and East Prussia, and even though Russia and Austria weren't initially really interested in partiotioning Poland (Austria simply didn't want Polish land, while Russia didn't want to give away their puppet's land), in 1772 Polish land was partitioned for the first time. The second partiotion (1793) however was indeed a result of Poland trying to reform its political system (3rd May Constitution - first modern constitution in Europe, second in the world [after the USA]) and, consequently, Russian invasion of Poland (War in Defence of the Constitution), while the third (1795) occured in the aftermath of the Kościuszko Uprising (named after its leader, Tadeusz Kościuszko, veteran of the American Revolution). In universe, where France won the Seven Year War and Prussia's influence is greatly weakened, I can imagine the Ottoman Empire being partitioned instead of Poland, so yeah, Poland is still alive and independent (as a Russian puppet, but technically it still exists in map).
3. Polish political system - oh boy, Polish political system in 18th Century was a mess: elective monarchy, where rich aristocracy (Magnates) were the ones to hold the power, where law called liberum veto (every single member of parliament had a right to dismiss the parliament and cancel any legislation passed without a reason - true heaven for corruption) made any attempt at reform almost impossible. Situation reached such a point that there was a phrase: "Polska nierządem stoi!" ("Poland is ruled by an anarchy!") and Polish nobility udes it as a praise - thaey saw Polish political system as a pinnacle of the "golden freedom". Of course, with time attempts at reforms were made as the Enlightment became predominant among Polish intelectual elites, and they were quite succesful (first modern "ministry of education" kind of office - Komisja Edukacji Narodowej [Commision of National Education], strengthening of the previously almost non-existing army, giving some political represantation for the cities, stronger protections for the peasantry/serfs and, finally, the 3rd May Constitution. However, Russian invasion in 1792 (under the pretext of the Targowica Confederation, created by a bunch of magnates, affraid of losing their influence - to this day Targowica remains a synonim for "treason" or "betrayal" in Poland) made all these reforms obsolete and the last one attempt of securing independence - Kościuszko Uprising (somewhat indeed inspired by the French Revolution - there was active Polish Jacobines political group at the time, who promoted the idea of freeing the serfs and creating the republic) failed, while fighting against the overwhelming odds (Russian and Prussian armies). Without revolution I can see Poland still reforming - as I said, Enlightment was strong among the intelectual elite - but slowly, in order not to anger Russia.
So, in conclussion, I personally believe that if France won the Seven Years War, Poland would remain independent but as a Russian puppet while slowly trying to reform. That's a long one, but I hope I made some things clear :)
while i agree that Commonwealth becoming french puppet is highly unlikely, i don't think that Poland would neccessarily remain under russian control. Without big prussian involvment and french support they stood chance in confrontation with Russia, especialy since Ottomans themselves were more intrested in having Commonwealth as regional rival and would stood to gain from exploiting that conflict. And parts of nobility would still want to push for reforms since they didn't need french revolution to try to remove corruption from their own system
Well I guess that French and Austrians would try to turn Poland into a buffer state against Russia, but by 1770ties it would backfire horriably probably by causing a war with French, Austria and other German states on one side and Russia and Britain on the other. This will be the war France can't win.
I love these alternate histories. They really get you thinking and they are an interesting way to gain a deeper understanding of the real events
Showing love for Poland automatically gives you a like no matter what. Your knowledge about history of many nations is such impressive that subscribing your channel was sure thing after first watched your video (I don't remember what I played first from you)
moving to germany for college in 3 days, so excited to check some battlefields and important landmarks out!
hope you know your German.
Willkommen in Deutschland hoffentlich wird es dir gefallen und viel Erfolg in der Schule
Which university?
@@williamspecht-casper9162 ludwig maximilian university of munich, studying business marketing, and they offer courses in a smaller performance arts college for cinematography for no additional money.
@@iheartcicada i stayed near there when I did a summer trip there with my university. The city is beautiful. You should visit dachau. It is about 20-30 minutes from the main train station. My favorite thing to do when I visit is to go to the top of the Olympic tower on a sunny / clear day. You can get a good idea if the city and can see the alps from the top
You should watch this guys' video on lesser known American wars, really interesting and I had legitimately not heard of most of them, or at least knew they happened and literally nothing else. Would be really interesting to see which ones you could expand on!
VTH does some more ancestry research and finds out he’s related to Alternative History.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit!
Love the vids keep on making them I love learning from you and love to learn new facts!!
Good points made. Great analysis. Greetings from Mexico
The Seven Years War lasted 9 years and the 100 years war lasted 116 years.
We needed to rebrand the 116 years war, sounds much sexier as 💯 years war.
And the forty years war was really only fought for 30 years, they had a 10 year truce 🤷
Vive la France ! Vive le roi ! 🟦⬜🟥💪🇫🇷👊
And the War of 1812 lasted until 1815.
Love your reaction videos to Oversimplified and AHH. Your commentary provides great additional insight to those guy's already informative posts. Regarding Cody dropping his T's, I think that must be Millennial thing? I hear younger kids talk that way on occasion. My 26 year old daughter does that, but my 30 year old son doesn't. Go figure.
I feel like even in this timeline, Napoleon would find himself a prominent role. Maybe “only” as a great General in the French Army but a person of his ambition and intelligence is not gonna settle for a quiet life in obscurity. I don’t know, just a thought.
he was still a lowly Corsican, in this military, he'd be even less welcome and would perhaps attain a respectable rank, but without a great conflict to take initiative in, he would probably appear less remarkable
or Maybe Not with France; but maybe he emigrates(defects) to Genoa or Tuscany where He again unites Italy against Austria to turn Italy into a world power. Or the Nw world(mexico?) by way of Spain; or even to the Colonies where he become the father of the United Startes only 25years later. Some people are just destined for greatness.
He propably would have never been born. Minimal changes in timings can already change if someone gets born or not. Those arent minimal changes in timing. Those are huge changes in all aspects.
A big problem with the "guilds" blocking progress is, didn't Britain also have the guild system? Why didn't they block progress in the UK?
Because of democracy. British industrialists and businessmen managed to gain enough political power to overwhelm any attempts made by the landed aristocracy that owned the guilds to suppress innovation - something they were only able to do because Britain, by the standards of the time, was a democratic nation with a freely elected parliament. France didn’t have that, so the aristocracy that controlled the guilds were able to do as they please.
@@LjuboCupic1912 So why wasn’t Poland or Venice or the Netherlands seeing early signs of industrialisation in the 18th century?
@@mint8648 By the early 1700s Britain was already Producing a lot of innovation, including the Canal networks, Textile Inventions and manufacturing, arable and pastoral farming, et cetera. Holland was also very inventive with regards to canals, but the steam Engine was also invented in England so 1st mover advantage, with several applications made a big difference. Also centralised banking pretty much started inBritain, enabling efficiency, cash flow.lastly, more Abundance of coal and Other raw materials than Holland also helped
Petition to make the man react to "The life and times of Robespierre" by Jack Rackham.
1:30 the T had always been silent in Britain, it used to be pronounced something like "Bree'un" (just like we do with Often, soften, it was only in the last 100 years people started pronouncing the t, some make it a soft European t, which sounds like the english D
Most British accents pronounce it with the t silent. I say it more like “bri’un” because im from the North West of England. Funnily enough, i say often and soften in both ways. With and without the t, it just depends lmao.
*Bri' ish!*
Actually, we call that a soft t. It's still there, it's just soft. Cody even makes some self deprecating jokes about it, which this guy calls self depreciation.
I love when you comment on things right before the sentence mentions it. I'm watching for your thoughts anyway. I already seen the original.
This the most up to date one I have seen all the previous ones have been months old I will see it later
Can you move to my state and teach history? please that would actually be awesome
"Final chapters of turkish century next week" When does he realize its only 1 of 3 videos xD
Never
5:24 And that is essentially what happens in every reaction.
Excited that Canada will likely make an appearance in this one.
Canada flag might have been all Blue if France had won the Seven Years
Well we also say budden instead of buttons. And boddles instead of bottles. Sit ins sounds more like sid ins..
It is a bit from the Scot Irish Appalachia accent hitting the French settlers and combined with other rust belt language.
It is kinda similar to the Japanese l and r sound.
Where the briddon sound is kinda like a t sounding d
It's so weird how people view the Royal Navy as unmatchable regardless of how the world changes. The Spanish Armada was far more unmatched if compared to 1700s royal navy and the Spanish decline see it matched within thirty years.
I don't think this initial thoughts on industrialisation in Europe makes any sense.
Failure to follow the industrial leader (GB) will simply lead to stagnation and marginalisation. He gets to a sensible point of view when he discussed what happens in Spain, as a parallel to what could have happened in France in similar circumstances. If France gets poorer as a result not richer as a result of a failure to industrialise, to me makes the likelihood that revolution happens (probably later than 1792 though ) more likely to me.
So may be it takes another 30 years for the peasants to overthrow the Bourbon's, say 1820's/30's , but its going to happen unless France industrialises.
Its the problem of collective action, and it still plagues politics to this day. Essentially, you have to look at nobles as individuals looking to further their own fortunes rather than a collective looking for the most optimal solution for the nation.
If I personally stand to lose money by indistrializing my duchy, I will actively work towards preventing industrialization even if it is better for everyone else on average. Its human nature: people don't work against their own self interest without signifcant coercion.
*title:* what if france won
*Start of video:* what if britain lost
Keep up the good work
I would like to see you react to CGP Grey's videos; he covers stuff like ownership of land between states (like N.Y. & N.J.), or the process of becoming a Pope. They are also pretty short, ~10 minutes.
This aged well
VTHR: Nobody was able to successfully invade Britain and hold onto anything long term...at the point in World History
William the Conceror, Henry VII, Vikingers, and others: Nice save
Henry VII wasn't a foreign power taking over the country. So yeah the last time it happened was 1066...but even then it was more about personal power than one country invading and conquering another.
@@VloggingThroughHistory True. Just like that you caught yourself.
Please consider reacting to the 30 years wars or the Diadochi wars from K&G or thr Fall of Yugoslavia from Feature History.
Great stuff as always!
Ah yes, more content for my morning runs! 😎
In 1798, the Irish revolted with french support. Do you guys think that in this situation, France would support a free Ireland/ set it up as a french puppet rather than it being under Britain?
Idk maybe .. but history is tough and confusing lol
I think they do, the French always took an opportunity to harm Britain.
You know, lately I've been wishing that you'd do a reaction video to Drachinifel's videos on CSS Alabama and the Battle of Hampton Roads - and maybe a couple of the alternate history videos on the Battle off Samar with Taffy 3. Any place I can submit these for consideration?
Rapid colonialization of Africa in the 19th century was mostly a prestige thing. All the really profitable parts had been claimed for a long time and there wasn't much reason to stake claim to large swaths of hostile terrain except for the sake of empire itself. This is evident by the fact that Europe invested more into their African colonial holdings than they ever got back (except possibly Belgium but what they did was horrific even for the time leading to world-wide condemnation of now not to colonize). It was so expensive that Europeans just left when "Empire" became a dirty word after WW2 and there was no reason to stick around.
Basically, without nationalism and national pride like we got in our timeline I don't think there would be a scramble for Africa at all, peaceful or not.
This dude is a BOSS
The thing with Poland was that they were in a union with Saxony who got hammered by the Prussians. Saxony being on the winning side, expanding their territory and maybe establishing a permanent grip on Poland might be a huge thing.
Austria gets Silesia back which was the actual reason for the war. Silesia would have been Austria's richest region and will definitely boost their finances which might result in increased military strength - an underfinanced army was always the main problem the Austrians had. Down the line they might do better against the Ottomans and during the war of Bavarian succession there is no Prussia to oppose them so they might grab larger parts of Bavaria.
The Latin American Wars for Independence would have also gone down quite differently in this alternate balance of global power, with the French not occupying Spain for years or overthrowing the Spanish Bourbons.
Could you please react to What if the Roman empire never existed? It's very good
Epic video
This what if video always made me wonder how different America would be if the North American colonies were French during the revolution.
And if I recall correctly, Prussia only narrowly won in the Seven Years War. A big factor was the death of the Russian Tsar to one who liked Prussia and made peace separately, allowing Prussia time to move armies around with 1 less major power to fight. Just changing that to keeping Russia at war with Prussia during the entire war could have been enough to crack the Prussian army.
The Industrial Revolution was going to spread everywhere in Europe once Britain got the ball rolling. (Odds are it would still start in Britain too.) It could be delayed, like in Russia, but it was still going to happen. France might be able to delay it, but only for so long and I'm not sure why it would with Britain as such an immediate threat.
In regards to France's ruling class preventing (or at least limiting) the industrial revolution, a historic example that I feel may fit, would be Qing China.
Being in Quebec, that's SO a question I asked myself in my life :P
The French in Quebec City fought well, but wasn't it already lost for France in North America
Yes it was doomed at the start. 200 000 people in New France vs 1 000 000 in New England.
@@lysimaquetokmok6755 The British blockaded the st Lawrence from cargo ships coming frome France and transport ships. France would have massacred Britain on land but couldn't win at sea without their major warships which are expensive.
It's also true that the British Government really wanted Haiti or Martinique whose sugar industry was a cash cow for France. Quebec (which I love BTW) was the consolation prize. It was something the Americans wanted, true, but India and the Caribbean were the real goal for the British. Remember that at the time of the American Revolution Jamaica had a bigger economy than 10 of the 13 colonies that rebelled.
They guy below me is bang on but also watch the front channel they do good videos trust me
it would be interesting to see a video on Russia and how they became an empire
Could you react to Monsieur Z’s “7 Ages of America and the presidents behind them”
Wow when I used ancestry I found out my family on my moms side came from England and Wales came to Philadelphia in the late 1700s and then moved towards the Appalachians eventually settling in Northwest PA by the beginning of the 1800s.
I have a hard time believing that France would not industrialize at all if they won the war. We had a nation that was ruled by an autocratic feudal system in the 19th century in our timeline and that nation was Russia. This did not mean that Russia rejected all ideas of modernisation and industrialization as they did build railways and develop some industry in the 19th century. Under tsar Alexander II there were even some modernising reforms. It is true that Russia did industrialize much slower then western european nations, but it did still industrialize. If Russia did not industrialize at all there would not have been an urban growth in Russia because industry causes urbanisation and the growth of the urban classes (I doubt that Russian realists would have much to write about if there was not a prominent urban class of people in their time). Another reason is a millitary one. If France did not industrialize at all, when they would have gone to war with the UK again in the 1860's, they would have faced the same fate that China did in our timeline. They would fight British ironclads with their wooden ships and would get destroyed because they would not have the needed industry in order to produce steam powered iron ships that the British have. Their army would also get destroyed as they would not have railroads to supply their troops quickly nor the industry to produce the supplies on mass unlike the Brits who would have no such logistical problems. Even in a battle the French would get destroyed as they would probably still be using muskets and would try to charge the Brits who would just mow them down with breach loading cannons and rifles that their industry could produce in mass and in good quality. So, in the end, if the French did not industrialize at all they would have gotten defeated so badly by the British that either they would be forced to start industrializing or they would go the route China did in our timeline and would face a century of humiliation and it is safe to assume that that would cause a revolution in their nation.
The guild system was notoriously powerful. It had been abolished in France during the revolution but it hung around in Europe until 1848. The problem was these guilds created high quality, low quantity goods that were simply out competed by the low quality, high quantity, cheap goods coming out of factories. The guides fought back by making industrialization illegal inside their tiny German state and putting up massive tarrifs on "foreign but still German goods". The Zollverein set up in 1834 created a free trade zone across Germany which included Prussia and the smaller states but excluded Austria. This was part of Prussia's economic play to isolate Austria in the German Confederation but it also had the effect of destroying the guide system.
On a practical level, the Zollverein was destined to come. Trade across "Germany" in 1820 was horrendous. Just to move a product from one side of the German confederation to the other you might have to pay 30 different tariffs. This stunted economic growth and harmed international relations. If the HRE is never dissolved then this 30 tariffs balloons to over 300 tariffs.
of course everybody forgets that it was poland-lithuania not just poland
That would be interesting to know what would happen if France won The Seven Years War. Will United States get its its Independence? The British would become a Republic? Those are interesting questions that comes in my mind.
British becaming a republic is highly unlikely since British crown was much more open to reform, for America British would probably give it its own Army and Parlament with the King and forein policy remaining shared
You would have spoken French Americans. The French language would have been number 1 in the World.
But wouldn't change the French Revolution 1789-1794
Regarding the industrial revolution, perhaps it wouldn't have happend in GB? I believe it had a lot to do with collonialism that it did happen, and if Britain would have been less into that, perhaps it would have started somewhere completely differently
Do if the US joined the Axis series
It’s quite good
Charles X brother of Louis XVI and last Bourbon King was the owner of large mine and steel mill and is considered as one of the starter of french industrial revolution
Native Clevelander here. I kinda laughed when you mention him saying "Bridain" instead of "Britain" cause it made me think of when I was in school and I had a buddy Peyton who got upset with me cause I would mess up saying his name almost sounding like I missed the t in his name. All I could hear was "Pronounce the t in my name!" Don't know if it's an accent around here or just lazy speaking, lol.
You should react to Alternate History's video on America's war for the midwest, as it talks about a lot of history pertaining to Ohio.
This is going to be a good video
I have been giving some thought to other what if's and came up with one. What if FDR lost to Wendell Willkie in the 1940 election. What would happen with the war and the economy 🤔
If Britain loses the 7 years war, wouldn’t they still want to tax the colonies to recoup some of the money spent or is this saying the North American front never happens?
Yes, but the colonists would be more inclined to truly understand the authentic legitimacy to why they should pay the taxes and would also would be anxious enough about the French aand Spanish threat to the North and South to need protection from Britain.. Don't forget that retrospective analysis has proven that US only won the war of independence due to French and Spanish support.Without that support, they would have lost badly and this is not controversial or debatable. The colonists were fully aware of their status as minnows, at this moment in time.They would have prioritised protection from Britain,regardless of whether The threat to the north or south was realistic.
Can please you do a Q&A???
An a country that held it self back for industrialization was japan because if they industrialization the use for their samurai was no longer needed which they did not like so they stop industrialization and isolated itself form the world.
I can't see an industrial revolution not happening in France because of its proximity and rivalry with England. English industrialization would have forced France to industrialize or they would have been completely left behind economically and militarily. Now, would it have taken a bit longer? Almost definitely. But not at all? The money and power industrialization provides, especially to a nation still in a semi-fuedal state, would have definitely been more than enough to spark it in France.
A big reason to believe this is that some parts of France would have followed the trend, and the growth in money and power would embolden nobles to either encroach on other nobles territory or outright revolt and grab for the monarchy.
The fossil fuel industry working to hold back sustainable energy, car manufacturers suppressing research on the harm of leaded gasoline, and the nfl suppressing cuncussion research were ways large bargaining entities held back development
13:13 I think they conquered it because they wanted to control the plains of Hungary. The same plains on which Vienna is located
An alternate history I would like to see is “What if RFK is not assassinated after winning the California primary.”
Napoleonic ideas of administrative standardization and civil bureaucracy were far more influential than any "revolutionary" ideals.
So times being wrong for the would be emperor would definitely set the whole world on a very different course.
One thing I see is that French people talking about what if France won the 7 years war they say the revolution would still happen and people not from France assume that France winning the war would prevent the revolution.
Briddon sounds kinda like we say it in SE michigan
Makes sense then since I think he's from the Toledo area.
Give me an example where they held them back? Waves generally at Italy, Poland, Russia, and spain.
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When are you going to Vicksburg? I live 30 mins from there
The Industrial Revolution would still happen. Guilds may have put pressure against it but the driving force behind the industrial revolution wasn’t societal changes or revolutionary ideals, it was individual craftsmen seeking better ways to make things. Even before the seven years war craftsmen in England were advancing manufacturing technologies to make ever more precise clocks (for sailing navigation), and to find ways to make cannons. After the war these advances picked up in England and France..The need to find better ways to make stuff exists regardless of the political climate. One of the key figures in developing a reliable, precise, mass-producible firearms with interchangeable parts was Gribeauval in France who ended up killed by the revolution. Firearms with interchangeable parts were first made en-Masse in the US a few decades later because Jefferson was at a demonstration in France in the 1780s. Without the French Revolution, it’s entirely possible the industrial revolution moves faster because without the turmoil France doesn’t lose process like it did in our timeline. Lathes and early machine tools, which are the devices that drove the industrial revolution already existed before the split into this timeline.
Agreed
I think of the tsardom of Russia and how slow the Industrial revolution took to get there, I think a similar scenario could happen with the french
Few things I disagree. 7 years war also took place in colonies other than Americas. For example, the Carnatic wars took place in southern India in the back drop of 7 years war. If France had won 7 years war, you could possibly have a situation where British would be restricted to Bengal and France taking large swathes of southern, central and western India.
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I think he’s right about colonization. Without the napoleonic wars there’s no concert of Europe and the Berlin conference it would just be mad scramble and as series of wars. Ironically African people might start forming coherent states due to the constant threats. And in effort to hinder each other I can see European states arming them to fight off each other which speaks to Cody’s point that the nobles would just fuck everything up.
Also about the industrial revolution - it would happen, just maybe would not be a revolution. See industrialization created incredible, unmatched inequality and poverty in Europe. From our point of view the new technologies are great. From the point of view of the common European citizen up to the WWI, technologies were great just for the rich. There were not any kind of social redistribution of the wealth then. If you compare Victorian England and modern US, US would be a socialist country. At some moment they even made concentration camps and sterilized the poor. As poverty leads to higher child mortality, that leads to higher natality as compensation. Well, they did not know that, just saw the poor people became more. So the slower industrialization maybe would be a good thing. But it would happen, as the industrialization was a result from the competition among the European countries. It started with siege machines, cannons and guns.
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There are precedents in history for the aristocrats stifling technological advances. Korea and China definitely became more luddite after the Mongol invasions, to the point that China might have had an industrial revolution before Britain. Late Imperial Rome was on the cusp of an industrial revolution, but stifled it.
However, there was a large class of up and coming nobles in France at the time of the French Revolution who felt the monarchy was stifling innovation and who, initially, supported the revolution. They were more centrist, constitional monarchists, and looked to Lafayette as a leader. A victory in the 7 years war might have meant that the radical Jacobins weren't powerful enough to sideline the moderates.
Well, they obviously do get stifled, the most obvious and stark example is Britain and France on the 20th-century. after the Second World War, with all nations who spent the 1st few years in the war fighting it out and receiving munitions, were majorly and that to the USA and after Bretton-Woods USA pretty much asured itself for at least a century of dominance, a bit like Pax Britannica after the Congress of Vienna in 1815, but with different reasons for dominance.
Britain and France were virtually bankrupt, but most of the infrastructure was intact and most of the elites were still alive in control of the means of production.The Japanese and the Germans were ironically in a good position to take advantage of the sudden new spin-offs that could take place off the back of new technological inventions during the war, into normal industry.Also, the majority of their elites previously control had been killed by the by Hitler, or during, or after the war (executions). There were no vested interests in Japan or Germany to hold back not only modernisation of structures and technologies and techniques, but. Also a more more meritocratic structure could be implemented and they couldn't waste money on the military, as they have been denied that possibility internationally.
The French and British elites continued to vainly and wastefully pump money into the military, but continued to police the world as late as 1957 with the Suez crisis, even though it was clear that the USA were not going to allow this any more, having established hegemony. They also created a kind of glass ceiling, to prevent social mobility, eating into their market share that they had already established in so many cutting-edge industries in the early period of the 20th century. Case in point = towards the beginning of the 20th century, Britain had the most burgeoning car industry and numerous high selling car brands, all of which were forcibly neglected of updating technology and now the UK has no car industry whatsoevero
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I think you missed Cody meant by no industrial Revolution, he meant only on the mainland. He said England would still see it's industrial revoltion. You need to member outside the city of London, engand wasn't heavily into the guild system. Cody said there system of Crown Enterprises would still go down it industrial revoltion, hence Why grade was doomed to loose the next major war with England which said would be in Africa. He said africa would not peasfull dived becusem fraces win meant the was no Germany to broker that peasful defied, and England and frace still have ther long grudge so they will need a broker to stop them from fighting over it
I think that w/o Napoleon and french revolution Spain gets to keep more colonies and actually becomes a problem for the French. Maybe the conflict becomes France vs Spain and Britain will most likely aid Spain thus the French would seek help from Poland and Austria and idk how that'd go.
Imo the French revolution happens in a similar way but in another place.
I don't agree or disagree with this scenario. It's alternate history, so there are no right or wrong answers here
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These ideas begin spreading to neighboring countries
These ideas influence political dissent in France, as well as shifting the heart of the country to Paris instead of Versailles
The French monarchy is overthrown
Napoleon takes advantage of the upheaval and rises to power
The Bonaparte dynasty becomes very popular among the French
Napoleon III, a Bonaparte and nephew of Napoleon I, becomes president and later emperor of France
Napoleon III, wanting to increase the prestige of France, instigates the Crimean war
Russia loses prestige, territory, and its black sea fleet in the Crimean war
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The Congress of Berlin is called to reorganize the Balkans after the Russian victory in the Russo-Turkish war
Bosnia and Herzegovina fall under Austrian control in the Congress of Berlin
A serbian nationalist assassinates Archduke Franz Ferdinand
A series of alliances drags much of the world into conflict, creating World War I
The Treaty of Versailles embarrasses and weakens germany, but doesn't completely destroy it
Germany is able to unite behind Adolf Hitler and begin pushing outside its borders
A series of alliances drags much of the world into conflict, creating World War II
Japan allies with Germany in order to expand their empire
Japan attacks the USA due to conflicting interests in the region
Japan becomes occupied by the USA after the war
American soldiers bring comic books and cartoons to Japan
Comic books and cartoons remain popular in Japan even after the USA has left
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Women having sex with vaguely penis shaped objects, such as tentacles, is able to get past most of the censors
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This guy Cody pronounces "certain" in the same strange way he says "Britain". This is a pattern.
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If the Seven Years War had been won by Austria Slesia and Lusatia would fall back to Austria, Brandenburg would be divided between Saxony and Austria, all of Pommerania would be Swedish and the protestant Hohenzollern would be limited to Prussia which would be part of the Polish Kingdom. It would also lead a) to a successful exchange of Bavaria and the Austrian Netherlands (1777) and so after Prussia also Bavaria would fall to Austria inclusive Ansbach-Bayreuth and the Wittelsbach at the lower Rhine would unite most of the former Prussian, Austrian and Bavarian territories to one big kingdom at the French border including b) the ecclastical territories and imperial cities between them. The plan to dissolve the church lands to incorporate them into the bigger territories of the HRE - this would lead to new state more like the German Federation after 1815.
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I think he says "Briden" and "codden" just because he doesn't speak properly. He definitely speaks with his throat only and zero diaphragm, and that can change your speaking habits.
I think this is in general wrong with the assumption that if French peasants lived better there would not be revolution. The society does not work like that. This is a typical mercantile idea. Let take the Christians in the Balkan provinces of the Ottoman Empire, they had really high standard of living. Higher than the Muslims and most Europeans. And that did not prevent any revolts.
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The industrial revolution absolutely would've happened, none of this changes the fact that mercantilism was slowly shifting into modern capitalism, and that would be all the economic pressure needed to trigger the industrial revolution
Yes, it had already been happening through the canal networks for at least 2 decades after the termination of the 7 years War. But with regarrds too its truly exxplosive phase, when the train started to be harnessed, it would have been much More gradual and less explosive in Britain and The French aristocracy would inevitably have held it back scared that they would lose control and wealth to a growing merchant class, as had already been happening in Britain, since the English Bill of Rights (1689)and the consequent marginalising of the king, Landowners and aristocratic power generally.
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