Is There A Better Way To Pick A Presidential Nominee? | The Last Word | MSNBC
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- Lily Adams tells Lawrence O'Donnell, "This primary process doesn't just need a makeover, it needs full reconstructive surgery." Yamiche Alcindor also joins the conversation about what the primary process should look like in the future. Aired on 02/27/20.
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Is There A Better Way To Pick A Presidential Nominee? | The Last Word | MSNBC
Yeah a democracy, with no super delegates who get to distort the will of the people.
We are suppose to be a Representative Democracy. However, we have two entities in place that undermines this:
1) The electoral college, that effects the White House, 2) The Senate, that represents land, not people
While representation in our government should be the goal, representation of our votes SHOULD NOT.
NO ONE should represent your vote, via “delegates”, “electors”, coin toss, or a deck of cards.
FYI: You are voting for a delegate or elector, not your candidate.
Did you know, delegates are "pledged" to a candidate, however, NOT legally bound to them?
Brokered Convention insanity: a.msn.com/01/en-us/BB10uqFS?ocid=se2
And for god sake, get rid of Plurality Voting (and it's spoiler effect): ua-cam.com/video/7mYPACssLbI/v-deo.html
Todd B
Bernie tried to get the superdelegates to go against the will of the people in 2016. You’re right, it’s wrong.
@@batboy3746 there is a DNC lawsuit, where the DNC claimed " the DNC is a private entity and can pick the candidate in a smoke filled back room if it chooses" . the lawsuit calls this fraud because it's charter claims to be neutral. so any donations made to the DNC because they thought it was a democratic entity, where the will of the people was to be held up, has actual standing
Wendy Pastore that’s absolutely false. Bernie Sanders gave his delegates to Hillary Clinton. Did you not watch the convention? 99% of the super delegates committed to Hillary Clinton before the race even started. Why are you misrepresenting the truth to disenfranchise yourself as a voter?
@@stellashepherd844 bernie asked the superdelegates from the states he won to vote for him. And the super delegates from the states HRC wom to vote for her. He asked them to follow the will of the people they were representing
I have a suggestion, how about letting the people decide...we vote, they're counted and he with the most votes, wins!!!!!
That way no democrat would ever win.
irish lady
That’s pretty much what they’re saying. You have a problem with voters getting to rank their choices or more getting to vote by eliminating the caucuses? Because they were talking about that.
The founding fathers didn't want the major population centers telling everyone what to do. It's 50 United Sates that need equal representation. Why pay federal Tax if you have no voice ? Wake up !!!
@@savegreenland1640 That kind of thinking assumes states are monoliths, which simply isn't true. So-called blue states are often 40% or so rightwing. So-called red-states are often 40% or so leftwing. Rightwingers in California are completely ignored and disenfranchised by the electoral system. Louisiana leftwingers are completely ignored and disenfranchised by the current system. My vote should matter as much as anyone's, yet it doesn't because I am in a red state. And before you're happy about that, remember that all of your rightwing brothers and sisters in California are just as screwed over as I am.
The truth is that the electoral system is an archaic holdover from the days when America was a Confederacy in all but name. It kind of made sense when the United States was halfway between a country, and an alliance of nation-states. It makes zero sense now, or really any time past the Civil War.
It would alway turn into a contest of the cults of personality.
Lottery is the only true and fair way to appoint leaders in a democracy.
Just saying.
Omg. Bernie IS practical, AND he has heart, AND he stands the best chance of beating trump. Your coverage is pure propaganda.
Propoganda? Say it ain't so
How about this. People vote. You count the vote. Whoever gets the most votes wins. I think I read about that somewhere.
But how do you equitably define "the most"? Ultimately, you want the winner to be the candidate with the most possible support. A 50+1% threshold seems simple enough, but becomes increasingly unlikely as more candidates are added to the field. So, what do you do? What if, in a large and highly competitive field "the most" is under 30%? Under 20%? It seems highly undemocratic to give a "win" to a candidate with so little support overall, not to mention risky in a primary where the winner of the process will go on to face candidates from other parties later. Do you hold a runoff election with just the two candidates with the highest percentages of the vote? That's possible in a general election, but not easy to work into the presidential primary schedule. Do you build a runoff into the vote with a preferential voting system so that the lowest-ranking candidates can simply be eliminated and an alternate vote substituted?
Media not happy with Bernie I see.
Clement Siby
Why, are you afraid he couldn’t win with ranked choice voting? He could do better, you never know.
@@stellashepherd844 He probably would do better, but it wouldn't change media perception overall. These are the same networks that literally tried to make Iowa more about how impressive it was that Klobuchar came in 3rd than Bernie winning...
Guess who got bloomberg money on this panel
Bernie 2020
joeb,2020
Boooo
Im an independant voting for progressives like bernie tulsi, and up until recently, ,andrew. I used to be be a democrat, unfortunately i realized these progressives used to be considered democrats until the establishment pushed the party so far to the right i cant tell the difference between them and the republicans.
ranked choice voting...oh you mean that thing was part of Andrew Yang's platform?
No we don’t want establishment Michelle Obama. We want change!
Joe ready for the nursing home
@Vivian Simes cry baby
democracy not super delegates
As an outsider looking in the whole process needs revamping, starting with reducing the time frame, reducing the need to rely on big bucks, if you don't have enough money you drop out, even though you may make a wonderful president, some democracy.
Stop worrying about outside interference, when you have internal, rigging and vote suppression techniques inbuilt in the process, gerrymandering and the electoral college, which I do not profess to understand.
But it's akin to a world cup football final, where the team that scores the least amount of goals wins. Jeez what more needs to be said.
Karen Byrd
That comment does not automatically make it a fair voting process, the fact that you know this information should not qualify for ignoring the basic principle of one man/ woman one vote or is that just to easy, and can not be rigged, outsider or not, basic democratic voting principles.
How about you remove superdelegates first given how undemocratic I they are. Let’s not get any bs about ranked voting first, New Hampshire had ranked choice and guess what? The same people who are currently atop the leader board got the most votes. This blathering on that candidate x who isn’t in the top 3 didn’t get a fair shake because of a lack of ranked choice voting is ridiculous.
Bloomberg and Biden should run for Presidency and Secretary of States, respectively.
You mean the Craigslist ads aren't working?
I thought that very thing filling out and mailing our ballets back, seems to be logical thinking to me.
We *could* try democracy. You know, the people all having equal votes and the person with the most votes wins. It's complicated, I know, but I really think we should give it a shot.
Bernie is sexist and racist
I've just voted in the UK Labour Party leader election. I know, a very different position to US Presidential Nominee, but the winner of this could become UK Prime Minister in the future.
Voting is open to all members of the Labour Party and registered supporters. Its one person one vote, all votes are treated the same, there are no delegates or groups that have more say. Voting is open for 6 weeks and is either by post or online. It is a ranked preference system, so you say which candidate is your first preference, which is your second etc. When the vote closes if one candidate gets more that 50% they are elected. If nobody gets 50% of first preferences then second preferences are added in etc.
This is not how it used to be. The party leader in the past was chosen by an electoral collage made up of Members of Parliament, affiliated Trade Union delegates and local party delegates. Much more democratic now. So systems can change, it just needs enough grassroots pressure to make it happen.
Overturn Citizens United and end money in politics. That is what will vastly improve our elections.
From Australia ... We have what we call preferential voting here. It works well, you not only nominate who you do what but also who you don't want in order of preference .. cheers
@Karen Byrd your so right.and the USA has led The way in never offering an opinion on how the rest of the world should operate.!!!
Lol. This is funny. Realizing their practices in the Democratic primaries is not democratic.
We should have ranked choice voting in general elections so 3rd party candidates can't be called spoilers. I doubt either of the main parties would consider that though.
Berning Sandwiches
I’m a Democrat and I definitely support it. It’s better than 3rd candidate voters giving us horrific republicans like Bush/Cheney in 2000 or Trump/Pence in 2020.
And what happens when Donald Trump (or another Trumpist) challenges the results? We were lucky that Bruce Poliquin calmly accepted the fact that, though he had won in the 2nd District of Maine on election night 2018, he had lost once the computers whirred and whizzed and decided, based on ranked voting, that Jared Golden had beaten him in a close race several days later, not because ballots were miscounted the first time, but because ballots for a third candidate were counted at all? Suppose he had claimed that the computer program was faulty? By the way, junk the Electoral College (in theory getting rid of it is a very good idea) and also introduce ranked voting and, if that were in place this year, I guarantee you would not have a certified president by January 20, 2021, with as much confusion sown by Donald Trump as existed after the Iowa Democratic caucuses. You'd be counting and recounting 140 million ballots until 2024, which is exactly what Trump would want. No candidate would be certified as president or VP on Jan. 3rd, and Congress could determine that Trump should stay in office, choose someone else, or the House could disagree with the Senate. Then what happens, when all constitutional remedies for indecisive elections are exhausted? The military decides and the US completes its transformation into a so-called "banana republic"? It's all based on trust. What do Americans trust more now? A complex computer program that would run through 140 million ballots in what is essentially several rounds of runoff elections, with the candidate lowest on the totem poll being eliminated in every round, or counting, from 1 to 70,000,000 each individual ballot marked with an X in the appropriate box? 1 for A, 2 for A, 1 for B, 3 for A, etc. How would the rules work? Suppose there were 18 candidates on a primary ballot? Do you have to rank all 18? If you didn't, would your ballot count? Suppose you ranked no one #1, because you really weren't enthusiastic about any of them and started with #2? Does your ballot count at all and if so, how is it counted in the first round of computing on election night? Suppose you rank two candidates exactly the same, despite the fact that the rules say not to do that? Would your ballot be thrown out? For a party that wants, supposedly, to expand voting rights, how many people who didn't quite follow the rules would be disenfranchised because they made one of the mistakes I just mentioned? "Oh, c'mon, Americans aren't that stupid and if they are, they shouldn't be voting in the first place," you say. Again, is that an attitude that will get more Americans to express their wills on Election Day? And I'd add, what about the Florida ballot in 2000, when people couldn't tell whether they were voting for Pat Buchanan or Al Gore because of the placement of the boxes on the printed ballot? Were they stupid, or was the ballot faultily designed?
Boy oh boy Bloomberg $$$ working Over Time.. Bernie 2020.
The only thing Biden will be picking is his retirement home.. he has completely lost his mind.
Darts? A round of golf?
Warren would soooooo benefit from ranked voting .
According to polling the second choice of Biden and Warren supporters is Bernie, so he’d benefit more than anyone.
Vote for the candidate you like and let the chips fall where they may.
We could start with finding candidates with common sense, instead of these embarrassing pack of fools !
In Australia we have rank choice voting, it's also compulsory to vote, if you don't you get a $30 fine
small steps in the right direction
small steps in the right direction
Ranked choice voting itself isn't a bad idea but super delegates are. Therefore no super delegates anymore!
However, in the end the person with the majority of the votes should win, not the one who has just a plurality. Majorities are always the more democratic way.
So how to get to that?
If a majority of the votes cannot be reached in the first round, then the candidate with the least votes should be removed and his votes should be distributed to the other candidates according to how his voters ranked their choices. This process should be repeated until one candidate reaches the majority of the overall votes.
Also the votes that cannot be allocated anymore should be counted and added up. If there are only two candidates left but no one reaches the majority of the overall votes because too many votes couldn't be allocated to them anymore then a second and final ballot needs to be announced between the two final candidates which should be held on a Saturday two to four weeks later to ensure a high voter turnout.
The final ballot will then lead to one candidate getting the majority of the votes.
That's how it is done in some of the other democratic countries.
I think Bucklin voting is superioir as it gives a winner that is least disliked.
Ukraine Joe it’s too late!!!
that question made me smile. I doubt it will happen but anyone can dream.
it depends on what u want ,, the idea behind Iowa and NH was that they were both small enough for a candidate with low levels of funding to build momentum , based on that idea it would make sense to just go in reverse order of state size , and have 3 states every week between the 1st week of Feb till the last week of May , as the 4 months went by the candidates would have time to campaign
I come to see what the latest centrist opinions are. For comic relief. Bernie was not mentioned once. These people and Chuck The Todd are still in denial about Bernie becoming the nominee.
Forget Democracy, it's the masked politician now? Voting is too messy, let the celebrity judges pick the candidate in a secret backroom bargain? FDR would be shocked at what has happened to his party.
Funny no one has ever told me that biden is their guy
X FOXTROT WISKEY KILO
I guess you’ve never been outside your bubble.
JOE2020 !
Ranked choice voting would be terrific. Pete, Joe, Warren for me.
Caucuses are so undemocratic. They are so hard for people with disabilities of all kinds, elderly, folks with jobs that don’t allow them time or children they can’t get childcare for.
Joe Biden and Michelle Obama 2020! Yes please 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Ffs no!
The Dems have their best presidential candidate: Coronavirus.
💗JOE BIDEN 2020💗
That’s the smartest thing the Democrats can do I’m a independent voter I will definitely vote for any ticket with Ms Obama
WHY?
2 things......... No super delegates and a standard one primary election system in all states.
Anything to do with Federal Government should be uniform across the country, no caucuses, no open elections in some and closed ones in others. Keep it the same. Let states keep their own individual election process to their own elections not federal.
I don't want Iowa influencing our choice of Presidential candidate based on a F***ING coin toss!
Bernie 2020