In South Africa we kick in car doors if they swerve in front of us, in some cases we even bliksem (beat) the motorists and everyone in the group gets a turn.
The difference you omit, when talking about 'breaking the rules' when a person is driving a car, or being a person riding a cycle, is that motor vehicle drivers( if legal ) are identifiable by the reg. plate, so their risk taking is tempered by the increased chance of getting caught.
Cyclist is a noun describing someone just like a "pedestrian". Nothing wrong with the word in my world. PS. Anyone who believes whats reported on the news needs some help.
Admittedly, I do more or less daily jump a red light... It's a cyclist-specific light in a T-intersection which only changes if a cyclist (I'm in Denmark, 'cyclist' simply describes a person on a bicycle) goes across a set of embedded coils. I'm given a choice of waiting two extra minutes of a five-minute ride (yes I'm spoiled, and yes it does take two minutes) or jumping a red light where nobody is turning right... I do make sure I'm not in anyone's way, though.
I'm a cyclist, a driver and a pedestrian. As a cyclist I moan about drivers not giving me enough room when overtaking, as a driver I moan about pedestrians not looking when crossing the road and as a pedestrian I moan about cyclists riding on the pavement. How's that for inclusivity. And a lot of moaning.
I found that people who walk are the most dangerous of all. Most of them don't look when they are crossing a cycle path. Therefore, when I am a pedestrian, I make sure to ALWAYS look where I am going and I make sure to check behind me whenever I change directions. Nothing more silly than to step into the way of someone who tries to get past you.
@@oisinjoyce Of course! Riding red lights, riding on the pavement and riding the wrong way up a one way street. All inexcusable and the main reasons cycling gets such a bad press. We can all make mistakes however we're getting from A to B but we should always aim to be courteous to and show awareness of our fellow travellers and respect the laws that apply to us all.
I ride to work 2-3 days a week, drive the others, do a group ride Saturday mornings, plus some mountain biking. I do a moderate amount of km a year behind the wheel and on a bike. Just this morning while driving to work, I saw 2 separate car drivers running red lights. Full clear red lights, in morning light on dry clear roads with nobody right behind them so they easily could have stopped. But no, they floored it and ran the lights after it had changed to red. Yesterday I got tailgated by someone who, when they got past me, went >10kmh over the speed limit (I was doing ~82 in an 80 zone). Not to mention the texting while driving, not giving way at intersections or while merging, changing lanes without indicating, speeding, tailgating, drunk/drug driving etc etc. I only drive for 15 minutes each way to work and back, but will guaranteed see more than one car driver breaking road rules. Whenever "bloody cyclists" break a road rule, it is the cyclist that endangers their own life. When car drivers break road rules, they endanger themselves and everyone around them.
So... I do find that my behavior on a bike changes how I act in a car. For example, I ensure that I always give a bike rider his fair share of the road because that is what I would hope someone would do for me if I was on my bike.
William Livingstone this. I found I’ve become a better driver since I started bike commuting several years ago. Much easier to understand how vulnerable cyclists can feel around cars when you’ve experienced it
Finally some GCN presenters actually going for an hour record. Don't think I've forgotten about your trandem/triplet attempt that still hasn't happened.
Story about a driver cutting across a lane without looking, mowed a cyclist down. The driver was 100% to blame and the cyclist had facial injuries and couldn’t get up. The last line in the article, “The cyclist was not wearing a helmet”. This is astonishing. Edinburgh Evening News. Today. Arseholes.
I reckon driving licences should be issued at 21. That way drivers will have had to use a bike for transport for a proportion of their adult life and hopefully will be more considerate as a result
A new GCN show the best way to relax after a stressful day at work, SI and Dan my favorite GCN presenters. I Plan to watch GCN all day tomorrow on my day off to recover from my heavy head cold.
Nine years ago I was run over by a car while I was training. I miraculously sourvive. Since then I have became a really agressive cyclist and can not bear when cars pass close to me. By the way, I reslly enjoy all of your shows, even if I am spanish and we do have your brother channel GCN in spanish, you are by far much better. Keep up the good work guys
I always try to do the right thing whether I am riding a bike, driving or walking. It does seem to me that the main problem between cyclists and motorists is because lots of motorists are impatient and are of the opinion that cyclists don’t have the same rights to the road as them
I think a lot of the anger motorists feel towards cyclists is driven by misunderstanding. Lets say you cruise at 22 mph (~35 kph). As we cyclists are acutely aware, it takes a lot more energy to accelerate than to maintain speed. You can do a series of high school physics level calculations to estimate that the required energy output to get up to cruising speed from a stop is something like that required to go up 2-3 flights of stairs. At the tail end of a 60 mi (100 km) ride, do motorists honestly think they would come to a complete stop at an empty junction, benefiting nobody at all by stopping, just to have to ascend three flights of stairs to get back up to cruising speed? This is illustrative of a point discussed in this video and on the channel before; most cyclists also drive cars, but most motorists do not also ride bikes. Perhaps, if road users of all varieties could make an effort to be more empathetic, our communities would be happier, safer places.
Nicholas Sekas the answer to the question you pose is yes, I do expect people to stop because that is what the rules are. I don’t give a shit how far you have ridden or how tired you are! Every time we break the rules, as cyclists we endanger each other. Doesn’t matter about the right and wrong of things, there is only one outcome for conflict between cyclists and motor vehicles and that is our injury and death. If you are thinking about anything else, you are missing the point.
Dover - if you think biking through a stop sign at a completely open intersection is endangering anyone, then you are a lemming. There are times when you need to completely stop, there are times you need to come close and roll through and there times you can just blow through the sign. And if you think I’m wrong, then I insincerely hope you’ve never broken the law or else you’re a hypocrite. Never 5 mph over the speed limit or every jaywalked - bc ya know, you can NEVER break the law.
@@jwfriar You are right. In fact, I try to follow the road rules, except, precisely, at traffic lights (or STOPs), because I know that there is a strong risk if I do not get out first to be seen by the cars furiosly accelerating on the green light.
Dover Ben I’ll let you know the next time me biking through a stop sign at a wide open intersection gets someone killed. But you can keep waiting bc it isn’t going to happen. The great thing about being human is we are blessed with logic and reason. We can adjudicate whether we need to follow the rules....or not follow them if there is no danger in not following them. Just like we do every second of every day. Just because you’re on a bike doesn’t mean you should turn into a thoughtless robot.
Dan, great job on Snoqualmie! That old rail to trail is a great ride over the Cascades in Washington State! Not much elevation gain, but it crosses the state!
Have just had ny wrist broken: a person who was walking (pedestrian?) stepped onto the bike-lane mid-block, a bout 6 feet ahead of me, without looking: she got a few scratches (I managed to glance off her), but the bulk of my speed was absorbed by my arm as it hit the road. Not all walking people are a menace to people on bikes (cyclists?), but this one was. Still, even people who break one's wrist are not necessarily bad people: she was rather mortified by her carelessness, and I ended up having to reassure her that I'd be able to make my way to the emergency ward, and that nothing much could be done now that the incident had occurred. Moral of the story: accidents happen, they are sometimes caused by people who should know better, but even that does not make them bad people. All the more reason to not group people together (motorists, cyclists, pedestrians...) and then either write them off or adulate them as the case may be....
Love the segment about running with the dogs. We’ve been doing this for years in the UK and the dogs are trained to tow you while running. We also do it on bikes. Great fun!! And good exercise all round.
I absolutely believe that every move I make as a bike rider is interpreted as either rude or courteous by drivers. My behavior on the road sows the seeds of malice or acceptance by motorists. We make the bed we ride in... 🚲
Unfortunately, not quite right, at least for me. I now have a Garmin Varia (a radar) and I now go to the middle of my lane to oblige the drivers to go "around me" (and to the other lane) to pass. If I deviate inside they will pass even close and give no margin of safety (minimum 1,5m by road rules). The point is, If I give space to cars (being courteus), they normally would put me in danger (I have had several near death experiences...).
Thank you guys! My son was delighted that our photo made it onto GCN. Apropos your commentary about kids cycling injuries. When he was about 4 we would ride to his daycare together. One day I was following him (too closely) when he clipped a trash can and went down... then I ran into him, with my large chainring, without the chain on it, right into the back of his arm! Bad dada! But he got back on!
I haven't seen Dan on a bike in a while, and thought he'd just got lazy. I've just realised he's in a heavy training program preparing for next year's zero-to-hero Sufferfest programme and videos.
I think one of the major reasons car drivers don't like cyclists, at least here in Maine where our laws are quite favorable for cyclists, is that most drivers are not aware that a cyclist traveling with the flow of traffic has the same rights as a car from a legal perspective. It is even legal for a cyclist to use the entire lane of travel (albeit not recommended), plus we get extra rights like passing cars on the right (assumption of risk though). As a cyclist I am certainly aware of this and exercise my rights fully, expecting drivers to give me the same respect as they would another automobile on the road. I understand that drivers seem to think that roads are the exclusive domain of cars but that simply is not true.
The media stirring up hate towards cyclists is one of the reasons I ride a lot less on the roads around my area in the UK. I just can’t be arsed with idiot motorists any more. My next bike will be a gravel bike and road riding will then be virtually nil.
Yes, we have a responsibility to represent who we are, what we stand for, and what we like do to the best of our ability. People associate behavior with what they know about another person, even if it’s only their appearance. It’s just the way it is, whether right or wrong, so be a good example because others are always watching.
Mixed feelings on that. My rule is follow road rules unless in traffic lights (to get first and not jammed by cars accelerating). Our road rules, in Portugal, are now ver cyclist benign. They even allow us to ride in peloton...go figure why?
I've been running for a decade and have never thought about cycling...until UA-cam recommended your channel. I've been watching a ton of GCN and GTN, and today finally bought my first bike. Just a cheap Giant, but you have to start somewhere!
Jumping a red light on a bike is the safe thing to do. The safe time to be in an intersection is when nobody else is. If there is nobody coming from my left or right, why would I wait until all the cars behind and beside me are moving, when I can keep going and be half way down the next block with the road to myself, before a car catches up to me? It's safer to keep going.
There's some silliness in Providence, RI about people on bikes vs cyclists going on right now. Uber brought their Jump bikes to Providence. Some kids started hijacking the bikes (breaking the locks) in order to ride them without having to pay for the rental, which only started after Uber upped the prices by a huge amount. Some of those kids and adults took advantage of this faulty design and then harassed & assaulted other folks while on the Jump bikes. Cue local newspaper running an article saying that cyclist gangs are menacing our city. Cue article published one week later of a local bike co-op talking about impoverished people & need for bikes being the source of the original lock breaking problem. Cue local law enforcement stopping cyclists and not allowing us to use bike lanes or the bike bridges. Cue local politicians cutting funding to bike infrastructure planning by $17 million. I volunteer with the PBJ (Providence Bike Jam) - we've decided to keep up business as usual, with an emphasis of being kinder and having more fun. We're still going to do our monthly party ride, but now with more lights and music and fun. We're just people who like bikes.
The entire debate around roads is marked with two things; firstly that people on bicycles are classed as "cyclists" and thus in a group it is possible to consider all together and collectively blame for the behaviour of a few people on bicycles...and secondly people in cars who, when involved in an incident, are referred to as "car", removing the person's liability. Such as "car hits person". It's an entirely pervasive narrative that perpetuates the myth that "cyclists" are law-breaking hooligans. In fact recent research suggests exactly the opposite; that people on bicycles break far fewer laws and rules than people in cars (see link below). The theory is that a person on a bicycle may go through a red light but rarely would just blast straight through without looking, instead taking care of themselves, but this is no more often than a person in a car might. Further, a person in a car is much more likely to speed and use a phone at the wheel; two of the Fatal Four causes of collisions. Personally the thing that upsets me the most is how much abuse I get when I'm riding a bike despite being a courteous and safe rider. I also drive cars and ride motorcycles so being classed as a "cyclist" is ridiculous. Although I think this subject goes much deeper... We have been, and continue to be, sold this idea that motor vehicles represent freedom and personal expression; just look at any car advert to see a single person driving a car on an empty road with stirring music. So you can go out and spend a lot of money on a vehicle and end up stuck in traffic with people on bikes whizzing by. I'm convinced that this is a large cause of many people's anger and it's directed at a perceived "out group" of "cyclists". I think the only way we're going to start to resolve this is with clear and effective support for proper cycling infrastructure and councils and the government making it absolutely clear that they support bicycles as a mode of transport; something that today does not happen. Link to research: www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/
This is a great post. The narrative of the cyclist as an anti-social, rule-breaking maniac is becoming more prevalent and I honestly believe that it's all because a sizable segment of society has a major problem with: 1. Understanding the rules of the road 2. Sharing 3. The perception that cyclists are upsetting the natural order of things and refusing to adhere to social convention (by beating traffic). My experience with those that have a problem with people that ride bikes is that they are naturally conservative and have authoritarian tendencies. I hate driving on roads; to me cycling represents freedom and an opportunity to go as fast as I can. You're right about the way cars are sold and I've found that many people I've spoken to who say they love to drive really love the idea of driving as sold. If they got in the saddle they'd get closer to the feeling they're looking for than is safely and legally possible in a car.
Wooden top tubes were pretty common on bikes back when I was growing up. I mean we largely used them so someone could sit there and get carried, or you could carry groceries or whatever too, but they are super common, I'm so surprised they were shocked by it.
Cyclists need to work harder to dispel the myth that we’re all inconsiderate road users because of sheer quantity of people on bikes giving us a bad name. Its the same when a motorcyclist is branded a ‘biker’ in a negative way. We all have a duty every day to show the world, one person at a time, that being a cyclist is a positive thing. Saying thank-you, stopping at lights, being more respectful around horse riders (or should I say people on horses) and by generally not being a c*ck would really help our case :)
In keeping with this week's theme, inspiration cycling headlines: 1. cyclists chainsaws historic tree for stupid photo, 2. Don Quixote steals bike for next attack, 3. Deranged cyclist chases terrified child to nick his bike.
Caption: Sarge, I don't think that team would've pinched YOUR bike. Caption: Hello, hello, hello; that's another one without a rear reflector and lights, eh. Caption: It's cheap trash! There isn't a lug for mudguard stays. Caption: Sarge, are you sure that's a pirated cassette?
The shot of the windmill is a sunset and to get there it's climbing all the way, it's Brill in Oxfordshire by the way and it's beautiful, incredible views across the vales, fair play to him for getting that saddle bag up there :-)
I adhere to the laws of the road as much as humanly possible no matter what vehicle I use. Adherence to laws is generally an honor system. Disobedience to the laws is a lack of honor, unless it’s an unconstitutional law for those that live in a country with a constitution. Love your content guys!!
Had someone in front of me today, person went across a street and passed cars waiting at a red light to then go between two cars and onto the bike lane, instead of just going to the cycling lane right away. Other people don't have the need to wait behind other cyclists at red lights but instead go all the way to the waiting line just to not get going when the light turns green. Everyone hates such people, including other cyclists.
As a person who rides a bicycle, motorcycle (as well as a car driver) there are minorities within those groups who don't follow the rules and give the rest of us a bad name. The way I think of it; walk, ride, and drive the same. Keep left, particularly when going slowly (or right depending on your country), obey signs and signals, and be courteous.
As a long time GCN Show watcher, I was disappointed to find that one of my favorite segments "Hack Forward Slash Bodge" of the week had been replaced by the less interesting "Hack Slash Bodge" of the week. It's a shame that GCN chose to bow to ageist comments. Dan you look young as ever.
On your people who ride bikes, drive cars etc I am an very considerate rider, also a advanced trained driving licence holder and yet get c-bombed regularly when cycling, today even by a driving instructor! Clearly he doesn’t know the Highway Code! Also on this subject however do people who walk dogs on long leads or not on leads at all still people or will they always be dog walkers? Great to have the team back great show as always!
I loved the inspirational photos, especially the Oxfordshire one. I’m a bit biased as I know that is brill windmill and I’m about a 30-40 minute ride away from there
When I'm driving a car, I am incredibly impatient with other drivers behaving stupidly -- but I will *always* cheerfully give extra space and full right of way to any person on a bicycle or walking even in instances that they're doing so in an objectively incorrect manner.
The only change I can think of when riding compared to driving is that I'm slightly less inclined to indicate when riding, depending on whether there are cars around. Indicating in a car doesn't require taking my hands off the steering wheel, unlike on a bike. But if there are cars around, I definitely indicate!
Hey guys loving the content Jeremy seemed stunned by the dog races well here in Ontario Canada we have dog racing competitions on and off road 5km courses with 250+ dogs plus their owners who all go in a mass start Try commanding your dog to sprint past a husky and Doberman while being chased by four other sprinting dogs in the last 100m to the line My girl and I have raced for about 5 years now and have never placed worse than 7th and 4th being our best, we always just miss the podium🙁 My girl is a 7 year old American bulldog (sorry not English) and I’m 41 Our 5km pr 23:10 The competitions is called “Furry friends 5km” and another is “the fast and furriest 5km”
I can remember when the main road (10) on the other side of Lake Kecheles (pictured) was 2 lanes with a 25 mph turn or 2. ..lots of changes over the years.
When I lived in Cologne, Germany, I was actually in more danger when I followed the rules. Stopping at a red light meant I was likely to be run over by another person riding behind me. A good portion of these people rode bicycles which I believe had malfunctioning or no breaks at all. There's also a rule regarding when one must definitely use a bike path. One exception is insufficient width. So if the bike line is too narrow to maneuver it with a trailer one can just drive on the street. I checked that with the police. Nevertheless, the car drivers were constantly honking... But what grates on my nerves even more is all those that ride through a pedestrian precinct. BTW, yes, I do have a drivers license for cars and motorcycles. But I didn't get a car/motorcycle immediately after and I've been riding bicycles way longer than any motorized vehicle. Of course, I've also make mistakes and got a ticket for driving to fast.
Thanks for the rant and opening the door. It's a complex problem based in the fact that practically everyone has varying degrees of ignorance, arrogance, or some combination of both resulting in them not being present. Add to the mix that people are ever more absorbed into their technology, it's only getting worse. Every time a person on a bike blows traffic controls/protocols when others are present most likely increases the risk of tragedy to every other rider. Something the person is not taken into consideration. The converse is also true. Being yelled at, run off the road, and countless close calls, all while riding legally in my lane has gotten so bad by drivers and riders in my area that I've taken to riding with a mounted GoPro to capture the craziness. Getting people to be more present and considerate would go a long way in diffusing these situations.
I'm aware of two studies in the US that showed that the vast majority of cyclists abide by the law, and I'm aware of similar studies that showed that the vast majority of motorists break the law. The bicycle study revolved around red light and stop sign violations (the biggest complaint by motorists); the vehicle study revolved around speeding (the biggest complaint by cyclists and pedestrians).
In a car you’re registered via a license and a registration plate that links your vehicle to your name and address, if you break the law it directly affects you either via monetary fines or prohibiting your access to use a vehicle. A person riding a bike is not linked to their crime as there is no registration, license plates for bikes and fines (or bans) for the law breakers will cut the people giving us a bad name.
Here in Guyana, the board over the top tube is quite ubiquitous. In addition to gas and water bottles, I’ve seen someone with three 30 kg bags of rice and someone else with a stack of bags of cement.
I never jump red lights when I'm driving but sometimes I do when I'm on my bicycle, except when there are kids standing next to me, then I always wait till it is green. ALWAYS!
I have a new 'you know you take your cycling to seriously when.' You know you take your cycling too seriously when a road near you has been recently resurfaced and you instant plan to ride on it to see if improves your strava time.
I know one thing I have problems with is after a Road or Crit. race on the drive home I catch myself driving like I'm still racing! I will find myself right on the bumper of the car I'm following or if I don't I attach myself as quick has possible! Its like you still have those lightening fast reflexes of your surroundings! I have to drive to the races alone because my cheering section is way to nervous to ride with me! I'm guessing that other riders have this issue as well? I have definitely improved my driving etiquette over the past 36 years of racing!
24:25 i had the same problem with removable valve cores that kept unscrewing. i had to do basically the same thing except i didn't bother tying down the pump. i got a new mini-pump that doesn't screw on and now i don't have this problem.
Caption: (1939) The Brits trying to solve The Enigma: "What a fine piece of German machinery!" (2019) The Brits looking at a Canyon bicycle: "What a fine piece of German machinery!"
4:21: "Cyclists bring traffic to a halt..." According to the dictionary traffic means all vehicles using the road. So actually "Traffic brough traffic to a halt..." Just like it does every day on the M25, M6, M1, M20...
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Let us know what you think about labels. Are we too quick to apply them?
In South Africa we kick in car doors if they swerve in front of us, in some cases we even bliksem (beat) the motorists and everyone in the group gets a turn.
The difference you omit, when talking about 'breaking the rules' when a person is driving a car, or being a person riding a cycle, is that motor vehicle drivers( if legal ) are identifiable by the reg. plate, so their risk taking is tempered by the increased chance of getting caught.
steve williams Here in the UK though, as a person in a car, you can murder another person and often get away with just a slap on the wrist.
Cyclist is a noun describing someone just like a "pedestrian". Nothing wrong with the word in my world.
PS. Anyone who believes whats reported on the news needs some help.
Admittedly, I do more or less daily jump a red light... It's a cyclist-specific light in a T-intersection which only changes if a cyclist (I'm in Denmark, 'cyclist' simply describes a person on a bicycle) goes across a set of embedded coils. I'm given a choice of waiting two extra minutes of a five-minute ride (yes I'm spoiled, and yes it does take two minutes) or jumping a red light where nobody is turning right... I do make sure I'm not in anyone's way, though.
I'm a cyclist, a driver and a pedestrian. As a cyclist I moan about drivers not giving me enough room when overtaking, as a driver I moan about pedestrians not looking when crossing the road and as a pedestrian I moan about cyclists riding on the pavement. How's that for inclusivity. And a lot of moaning.
I found that people who walk are the most dangerous of all. Most of them don't look when they are crossing a cycle path. Therefore, when I am a pedestrian, I make sure to ALWAYS look where I am going and I make sure to check behind me whenever I change directions. Nothing more silly than to step into the way of someone who tries to get past you.
Funny but also true.
Do you ever moan about cyclists breaking red lights????
@@oisinjoyce Of course! Riding red lights, riding on the pavement and riding the wrong way up a one way street. All inexcusable and the main reasons cycling gets such a bad press. We can all make mistakes however we're getting from A to B but we should always aim to be courteous to and show awareness of our fellow travellers and respect the laws that apply to us all.
Same
I ride to work 2-3 days a week, drive the others, do a group ride Saturday mornings, plus some mountain biking. I do a moderate amount of km a year behind the wheel and on a bike.
Just this morning while driving to work, I saw 2 separate car drivers running red lights. Full clear red lights, in morning light on dry clear roads with nobody right behind them so they easily could have stopped. But no, they floored it and ran the lights after it had changed to red. Yesterday I got tailgated by someone who, when they got past me, went >10kmh over the speed limit (I was doing ~82 in an 80 zone).
Not to mention the texting while driving, not giving way at intersections or while merging, changing lanes without indicating, speeding, tailgating, drunk/drug driving etc etc. I only drive for 15 minutes each way to work and back, but will guaranteed see more than one car driver breaking road rules.
Whenever "bloody cyclists" break a road rule, it is the cyclist that endangers their own life. When car drivers break road rules, they endanger themselves and everyone around them.
Mububban23 yup
Alright then I'm going for a walk to headbutt some cars! Wait...
So... I do find that my behavior on a bike changes how I act in a car. For example, I ensure that I always give a bike rider his fair share of the road because that is what I would hope someone would do for me if I was on my bike.
William Livingstone this. I found I’ve become a better driver since I started bike commuting several years ago. Much easier to understand how vulnerable cyclists can feel around cars when you’ve experienced it
Same for me.
And you follow a great Bible principle by doing so: Luke 6:31
Finally some GCN presenters actually going for an hour record. Don't think I've forgotten about your trandem/triplet attempt that still hasn't happened.
They can do some tandem turbo training
Those would definitely be live stream material.
Story about a driver cutting across a lane without looking, mowed a cyclist down. The driver was 100% to blame and the cyclist had facial injuries and couldn’t get up.
The last line in the article, “The cyclist was not wearing a helmet”.
This is astonishing. Edinburgh Evening News. Today. Arseholes.
Nail/head.
Since I started riding on the road I am MUCH MORE aware car driver. 100%
I reckon driving licences should be issued at 21. That way drivers will have had to use a bike for transport for a proportion of their adult life and hopefully will be more considerate as a result
@@Pionirish great thought!
@@Pionirish My oldest son, at 21, doesn't have (nor wants) a driver's licence. I'm very proud of him (although he is not a cyclist)!
A new GCN show the best way to relax after a stressful day at work, SI and Dan my favorite GCN presenters. I Plan to watch GCN all day tomorrow on my day off to recover from my heavy head cold.
Nine years ago I was run over by a car while I was training. I miraculously sourvive. Since then I have became a really agressive cyclist and can not bear when cars pass close to me.
By the way, I reslly enjoy all of your shows, even if I am spanish and we do have your brother channel GCN in spanish, you are by far much better.
Keep up the good work guys
I always try to do the right thing whether I am riding a bike, driving or walking. It does seem to me that the main problem between cyclists and motorists is because lots of motorists are impatient and are of the opinion that cyclists don’t have the same rights to the road as them
Caption: If this is an e-bike, we will definitely be indicting the owner for battery charges.
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"things like Zwift..." (i'm not supposed to mentioned any competitors!) :D
Caption: "I expected something else when they told me I'd have my rear end inspected."
Instant winner!
When you say "Pro Cyclist", you mean "Pro Person" right? 👌
Haha, yep, that's the one!
As opposed to „amateur person“?
@@ivormorgan9030 what about "person enthusiasts" then?
Caption: "I say, Inspector Gadget, this bike looks shifty!"
Bring back forward slash! Its way more fun than just slash. Dont let the internet age-shame you!
COMPLETELY AGREE #BRINGBACKTHEFORWARDSLASH
It seems naked without the forward.
@@elizabethmajor1820 Also if they're worried about being old, there's actually nothing wrong with that.
I think a lot of the anger motorists feel towards cyclists is driven by misunderstanding. Lets say you cruise at 22 mph (~35 kph). As we cyclists are acutely aware, it takes a lot more energy to accelerate than to maintain speed. You can do a series of high school physics level calculations to estimate that the required energy output to get up to cruising speed from a stop is something like that required to go up 2-3 flights of stairs. At the tail end of a 60 mi (100 km) ride, do motorists honestly think they would come to a complete stop at an empty junction, benefiting nobody at all by stopping, just to have to ascend three flights of stairs to get back up to cruising speed?
This is illustrative of a point discussed in this video and on the channel before; most cyclists also drive cars, but most motorists do not also ride bikes. Perhaps, if road users of all varieties could make an effort to be more empathetic, our communities would be happier, safer places.
Nicholas Sekas the answer to the question you pose is yes, I do expect people to stop because that is what the rules are. I don’t give a shit how far you have ridden or how tired you are! Every time we break the rules, as cyclists we endanger each other. Doesn’t matter about the right and wrong of things, there is only one outcome for conflict between cyclists and motor vehicles and that is our injury and death. If you are thinking about anything else, you are missing the point.
Dover - if you think biking through a stop sign at a completely open intersection is endangering anyone, then you are a lemming. There are times when you need to completely stop, there are times you need to come close and roll through and there times you can just blow through the sign.
And if you think I’m wrong, then I insincerely hope you’ve never broken the law or else you’re a hypocrite. Never 5 mph over the speed limit or every jaywalked - bc ya know, you can NEVER break the law.
@@jwfriar You are right. In fact, I try to follow the road rules, except, precisely, at traffic lights (or STOPs), because I know that there is a strong risk if I do not get out first to be seen by the cars furiosly accelerating on the green light.
@@chinboy66 Wrong.
Dover Ben I’ll let you know the next time me biking through a stop sign at a wide open intersection gets someone killed. But you can keep waiting bc it isn’t going to happen. The great thing about being human is we are blessed with logic and reason. We can adjudicate whether we need to follow the rules....or not follow them if there is no danger in not following them. Just like we do every second of every day. Just because you’re on a bike doesn’t mean you should turn into a thoughtless robot.
Dan, great job on Snoqualmie! That old rail to trail is a great ride over the Cascades in Washington State! Not much elevation gain, but it crosses the state!
Have just had ny wrist broken: a person who was walking (pedestrian?) stepped onto the bike-lane mid-block, a bout 6 feet ahead of me, without looking: she got a few scratches (I managed to glance off her), but the bulk of my speed was absorbed by my arm as it hit the road. Not all walking people are a menace to people on bikes (cyclists?), but this one was. Still, even people who break one's wrist are not necessarily bad people: she was rather mortified by her carelessness, and I ended up having to reassure her that I'd be able to make my way to the emergency ward, and that nothing much could be done now that the incident had occurred. Moral of the story: accidents happen, they are sometimes caused by people who should know better, but even that does not make them bad people. All the more reason to not group people together (motorists, cyclists, pedestrians...) and then either write them off or adulate them as the case may be....
Love the segment about running with the dogs. We’ve been doing this for years in the UK and the dogs are trained to tow you while running. We also do it on bikes. Great fun!! And good exercise all round.
I absolutely believe that every move I make as a bike rider is interpreted as either rude or courteous by drivers. My behavior on the road sows the seeds of malice or acceptance by motorists. We make the bed we ride in... 🚲
Unfortunately, not quite right, at least for me. I now have a Garmin Varia (a radar) and I now go to the middle of my lane to oblige the drivers to go "around me" (and to the other lane) to pass. If I deviate inside they will pass even close and give no margin of safety (minimum 1,5m by road rules).
The point is, If I give space to cars (being courteus), they normally would put me in danger (I have had several near death experiences...).
Thank you guys! My son was delighted that our photo made it onto GCN.
Apropos your commentary about kids cycling injuries. When he was about 4 we would ride to his daycare together. One day I was following him (too closely) when he clipped a trash can and went down... then I ran into him, with my large chainring, without the chain on it, right into the back of his arm! Bad dada! But he got back on!
Caption: “Canyon not touch my rear end please... some people! They just have to cop a feel!”
Haha thanks for mentioning my poo bag bodge 🤣 saved a long walk
You are a legend! That made my day!
Glad that you didn't have to resort to a used one.
Why not 2 more poo bags lmao why just 1 tho?
Why not just unscrew the pump from the hose, leaving only that part attached?
This was a Hack!! this got you to your friend's home without calling for help.. Plain definition of a roadside hack.
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"Flippin eck Sarge that's a crackin bike"
"Ey lad, 'tiz a grand canyon is this"
I haven't seen Dan on a bike in a while, and thought he'd just got lazy.
I've just realised he's in a heavy training program preparing for next year's zero-to-hero Sufferfest programme and videos.
Please bring back the "forward slash" that was a nice touch! That's more fun. I love the show by the way!
Jeremy: "Can you imagine what the dog is thinking right now?"
Dog: "Idiots! Bloody idiots."
I think one of the major reasons car drivers don't like cyclists, at least here in Maine where our laws are quite favorable for cyclists, is that most drivers are not aware that a cyclist traveling with the flow of traffic has the same rights as a car from a legal perspective. It is even legal for a cyclist to use the entire lane of travel (albeit not recommended), plus we get extra rights like passing cars on the right (assumption of risk though). As a cyclist I am certainly aware of this and exercise my rights fully, expecting drivers to give me the same respect as they would another automobile on the road. I understand that drivers seem to think that roads are the exclusive domain of cars but that simply is not true.
Caption: Bike: “officers, I swear it wasn’t me. I’ve been framed.
The media stirring up hate towards cyclists is one of the reasons I ride a lot less on the roads around my area in the UK. I just can’t be arsed with idiot motorists any more. My next bike will be a gravel bike and road riding will then be virtually nil.
One thing that frustrates me is traffic lights that operate via a sensor and don’t pick up a bike & stay red until a car comes along.
EXACTLY. Some of us are familiar with those traffic lights and literally skip them on purpose. I only know of one of these in my area of London
Yes, we have a responsibility to represent who we are, what we stand for, and what we like do to the best of our ability. People associate behavior with what they know about another person, even if it’s only their appearance. It’s just the way it is, whether right or wrong, so be a good example because others are always watching.
Bicyclists shouldn't follow road rules. I get cut off more by cars. I get put in more positions of danger by cars than i do to cars.
Mixed feelings on that. My rule is follow road rules unless in traffic lights (to get first and not jammed by cars accelerating). Our road rules, in Portugal, are now ver cyclist benign. They even allow us to ride in peloton...go figure why?
I've been running for a decade and have never thought about cycling...until UA-cam recommended your channel. I've been watching a ton of GCN and GTN, and today finally bought my first bike. Just a cheap Giant, but you have to start somewhere!
Ollie isn't a Yorkshire cyclist, Ollie is a Yorkshire person who sometimes rides a bike
The guy with the aero mat took the nickname "the shark" to a whole new level 😂
YES, we ALL have a responsibility for EVERYONE at ALL times, whether you're walking, riding, driving, riding the train, w/e
Jumping a red light on a bike is the safe thing to do. The safe time to be in an intersection is when nobody else is. If there is nobody coming from my left or right, why would I wait until all the cars behind and beside me are moving, when I can keep going and be half way down the next block with the road to myself, before a car catches up to me? It's safer to keep going.
this is why some traffic lights have advanced green lights for cyclists. I think ALL of them should
There's some silliness in Providence, RI about people on bikes vs cyclists going on right now.
Uber brought their Jump bikes to Providence. Some kids started hijacking the bikes (breaking the locks) in order to ride them without having to pay for the rental, which only started after Uber upped the prices by a huge amount. Some of those kids and adults took advantage of this faulty design and then harassed & assaulted other folks while on the Jump bikes. Cue local newspaper running an article saying that cyclist gangs are menacing our city. Cue article published one week later of a local bike co-op talking about impoverished people & need for bikes being the source of the original lock breaking problem. Cue local law enforcement stopping cyclists and not allowing us to use bike lanes or the bike bridges. Cue local politicians cutting funding to bike infrastructure planning by $17 million.
I volunteer with the PBJ (Providence Bike Jam) - we've decided to keep up business as usual, with an emphasis of being kinder and having more fun. We're still going to do our monthly party ride, but now with more lights and music and fun. We're just people who like bikes.
20:58 Si: "what happened to backslash" lol Si just outed himself as 'old'… who worries about backslashes?
The entire debate around roads is marked with two things; firstly that people on bicycles are classed as "cyclists" and thus in a group it is possible to consider all together and collectively blame for the behaviour of a few people on bicycles...and secondly people in cars who, when involved in an incident, are referred to as "car", removing the person's liability. Such as "car hits person". It's an entirely pervasive narrative that perpetuates the myth that "cyclists" are law-breaking hooligans. In fact recent research suggests exactly the opposite; that people on bicycles break far fewer laws and rules than people in cars (see link below). The theory is that a person on a bicycle may go through a red light but rarely would just blast straight through without looking, instead taking care of themselves, but this is no more often than a person in a car might. Further, a person in a car is much more likely to speed and use a phone at the wheel; two of the Fatal Four causes of collisions. Personally the thing that upsets me the most is how much abuse I get when I'm riding a bike despite being a courteous and safe rider. I also drive cars and ride motorcycles so being classed as a "cyclist" is ridiculous.
Although I think this subject goes much deeper... We have been, and continue to be, sold this idea that motor vehicles represent freedom and personal expression; just look at any car advert to see a single person driving a car on an empty road with stirring music. So you can go out and spend a lot of money on a vehicle and end up stuck in traffic with people on bikes whizzing by. I'm convinced that this is a large cause of many people's anger and it's directed at a perceived "out group" of "cyclists". I think the only way we're going to start to resolve this is with clear and effective support for proper cycling infrastructure and councils and the government making it absolutely clear that they support bicycles as a mode of transport; something that today does not happen.
Link to research: www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/
This is a great post. The narrative of the cyclist as an anti-social, rule-breaking maniac is becoming more prevalent and I honestly believe that it's all because a sizable segment of society has a major problem with: 1. Understanding the rules of the road 2. Sharing 3. The perception that cyclists are upsetting the natural order of things and refusing to adhere to social convention (by beating traffic). My experience with those that have a problem with people that ride bikes is that they are naturally conservative and have authoritarian tendencies.
I hate driving on roads; to me cycling represents freedom and an opportunity to go as fast as I can. You're right about the way cars are sold and I've found that many people I've spoken to who say they love to drive really love the idea of driving as sold. If they got in the saddle they'd get closer to the feeling they're looking for than is safely and legally possible in a car.
Wooden top tubes were pretty common on bikes back when I was growing up. I mean we largely used them so someone could sit there and get carried, or you could carry groceries or whatever too, but they are super common, I'm so surprised they were shocked by it.
Well, the next video needs to be Si and Dan on a tandem doing the 2000 watt challenge 💪😂
Cyclists need to work harder to dispel the myth that we’re all inconsiderate road users because of sheer quantity of people on bikes giving us a bad name. Its the same when a motorcyclist is branded a ‘biker’ in a negative way.
We all have a duty every day to show the world, one person at a time, that being a cyclist is a positive thing. Saying thank-you, stopping at lights, being more respectful around horse riders (or should I say people on horses) and by generally not being a c*ck would really help our case :)
In keeping with this week's theme, inspiration cycling headlines: 1. cyclists chainsaws historic tree for stupid photo, 2. Don Quixote steals bike for next attack, 3. Deranged cyclist chases terrified child to nick his bike.
Caption: Sarge, I don't think that team would've pinched YOUR bike.
Caption: Hello, hello, hello; that's another one without a rear reflector and lights, eh.
Caption: It's cheap trash! There isn't a lug for mudguard stays.
Caption: Sarge, are you sure that's a pirated cassette?
The shot of the windmill is a sunset and to get there it's climbing all the way, it's Brill in Oxfordshire by the way and it's beautiful, incredible views across the vales, fair play to him for getting that saddle bag up there :-)
Great to have Si and Dan on the show, the best combo since cheese and pickle. Not sure which one is cheese and which is pickle though....
I like Paul's CO2 cartridge holder, but why has he got a Pam Ayres sticker?
Caption :-What is this suposed to be? -Bob, that is a chain.
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Cop1: It's just a small scratch Ben, your bikes alright!
Cop2: Zipp it John!, Investigation is on going.
@6:37 should have been "bloody walkists, headbutting people riding bikes!"
Alright, this show has peaked. The phrase "unused poo bag" was the absolute zenith!!
Great episode! Loved the rant, energy and kibitzing between Dan and Simon
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“12 gears... gotta be at least a 1 watt aero penalty for that extra cog.”
“Nah mate, reckon it’s at least 2.”
Hi, thanks for the zwift subscription 👍 but how to I get the code for that?
I adhere to the laws of the road as much as humanly possible no matter what vehicle I use. Adherence to laws is generally an honor system. Disobedience to the laws is a lack of honor, unless it’s an unconstitutional law for those that live in a country with a constitution. Love your content guys!!
Caption: Police, stop wiping your boogers on my derailleur hanger.
Had someone in front of me today, person went across a street and passed cars waiting at a red light to then go between two cars and onto the bike lane, instead of just going to the cycling lane right away. Other people don't have the need to wait behind other cyclists at red lights but instead go all the way to the waiting line just to not get going when the light turns green. Everyone hates such people, including other cyclists.
Caption: You see if I run my fingers firmly over the sharp teeth here, I get a FORWARDslash!
and lets not forget all those zombies out there staring at their phones.
BTW great show....you guys always make me laugh :)
Thanks Bob
As a person who rides a bicycle, motorcycle (as well as a car driver) there are minorities within those groups who don't follow the rules and give the rest of us a bad name.
The way I think of it; walk, ride, and drive the same. Keep left, particularly when going slowly (or right depending on your country), obey signs and signals, and be courteous.
As a long time GCN Show watcher, I was disappointed to find that one of my favorite segments "Hack Forward Slash Bodge" of the week had been replaced by the less interesting "Hack Slash Bodge" of the week. It's a shame that GCN chose to bow to ageist comments. Dan you look young as ever.
#BringBackTheForwardSlash
On your people who ride bikes, drive cars etc I am an very considerate rider, also a advanced trained driving licence holder and yet get c-bombed regularly when cycling, today even by a driving instructor! Clearly he doesn’t know the Highway Code! Also on this subject however do people who walk dogs on long leads or not on leads at all still people or will they always be dog walkers? Great to have the team back great show as always!
I loved the inspirational photos, especially the Oxfordshire one. I’m a bit biased as I know that is brill windmill and I’m about a 30-40 minute ride away from there
When I'm driving a car, I am incredibly impatient with other drivers behaving stupidly -- but I will *always* cheerfully give extra space and full right of way to any person on a bicycle or walking even in instances that they're doing so in an objectively incorrect manner.
I can't believe Simon is old enough to have kids. :D
The only change I can think of when riding compared to driving is that I'm slightly less inclined to indicate when riding, depending on whether there are cars around. Indicating in a car doesn't require taking my hands off the steering wheel, unlike on a bike. But if there are cars around, I definitely indicate!
Hey guys loving the content
Jeremy seemed stunned by the dog races well here in Ontario Canada we have dog racing competitions on and off road 5km courses with 250+ dogs plus their owners who all go in a mass start
Try commanding your dog to sprint past a husky and Doberman while being chased by four other sprinting dogs in the last 100m to the line
My girl and I have raced for about 5 years now and have never placed worse than 7th and 4th being our best, we always just miss the podium🙁
My girl is a 7 year old American bulldog (sorry not English) and I’m 41
Our 5km pr 23:10
The competitions is called “Furry friends 5km” and another is “the fast and furriest 5km”
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" -Well....what did the suspect say?
-zip! Nada. He kept his mouth tightly zipped!"
Caption competition: “What sort of SRAM are these Katusha boys running? Not on my watch!”
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Police: we’ve had to stop you as we suspect that you have some gear on your person
I love the back and forth between Si and Dan.
I can remember when the main road (10) on the other side of Lake Kecheles (pictured) was 2 lanes with a 25 mph turn or 2. ..lots of changes over the years.
What's going on with the chain ring @ 21:28 on the seat cover bodge?
27:09 " Police: They say these things are killing people. Bike owner: Hey they say the same about you back in the states "
When I lived in Cologne, Germany, I was actually in more danger when I followed the rules. Stopping at a red light meant I was likely to be run over by another person riding behind me. A good portion of these people rode bicycles which I believe had malfunctioning or no breaks at all.
There's also a rule regarding when one must definitely use a bike path. One exception is insufficient width. So if the bike line is too narrow to maneuver it with a trailer one can just drive on the street. I checked that with the police. Nevertheless, the car drivers were constantly honking...
But what grates on my nerves even more is all those that ride through a pedestrian precinct.
BTW, yes, I do have a drivers license for cars and motorcycles. But I didn't get a car/motorcycle immediately after and I've been riding bicycles way longer than any motorized vehicle. Of course, I've also make mistakes and got a ticket for driving to fast.
I am a cyclist and I follow rules but am also a HUMAN, so I make mistakes.
So forgive me car drivers
Thanks for the rant and opening the door. It's a complex problem based in the fact that practically everyone has varying degrees of ignorance, arrogance, or some combination of both resulting in them not being present. Add to the mix that people are ever more absorbed into their technology, it's only getting worse. Every time a person on a bike blows traffic controls/protocols when others are present most likely increases the risk of tragedy to every other rider. Something the person is not taken into consideration. The converse is also true. Being yelled at, run off the road, and countless close calls, all while riding legally in my lane has gotten so bad by drivers and riders in my area that I've taken to riding with a mounted GoPro to capture the craziness. Getting people to be more present and considerate would go a long way in diffusing these situations.
Caption: (Copper to the derailleur hanger) "We both think you're bent, me and the DI too."
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Owner of Bicycle: CAN'YON not touch me bike
Police Man: ZIPP it
Caption: „I suspect a violation of cycling rule #42: Hair tonic may never be used as a substitute for chain lube.“
caption: Policeman 1: 'I see you rule-breaking!' Policeman 2: 'Don't you mean UCI rule breaking?'
Caption: "Oi Oi, what do we charge 'em with then?"
I'm aware of two studies in the US that showed that the vast majority of cyclists abide by the law, and I'm aware of similar studies that showed that the vast majority of motorists break the law.
The bicycle study revolved around red light and stop sign violations (the biggest complaint by motorists); the vehicle study revolved around speeding (the biggest complaint by cyclists and pedestrians).
Caption: "you're nicked sunshine, I mean your tyre is nicked".
In a car you’re registered via a license and a registration plate that links your vehicle to your name and address, if you break the law it directly affects you either via monetary fines or prohibiting your access to use a vehicle. A person riding a bike is not linked to their crime as there is no registration, license plates for bikes and fines (or bans) for the law breakers will cut the people giving us a bad name.
Doggy Cross just made me so stinking happy!
caption :" after putting his glasses back on after the race, he was gutted to realise that he'd gone past the wrong checkered line"
Dan: "Then, what did she say?"
Si: "Si"
Dan: "I see what you did there... Si"
Here in Guyana, the board over the top tube is quite ubiquitous. In addition to gas and water bottles, I’ve seen someone with three 30 kg bags of rice and someone else with a stack of bags of cement.
i am an Italian living in Croatia , and i can say, for cycling these country is beautifull. look forward to see GCN over here. kind regard
Croatia is beautiful, we'd love to go back
I never jump red lights when I'm driving but sometimes I do when I'm on my bicycle, except when there are kids standing next to me, then I always wait till it is green. ALWAYS!
I have a new 'you know you take your cycling to seriously when.'
You know you take your cycling too seriously when a road near you has been recently resurfaced and you instant plan to ride on it to see if improves your strava time.
I know one thing I have problems with is after a Road or Crit. race on the drive home I catch myself driving like I'm still racing! I will find myself right on the bumper of the car I'm following or if I don't I attach myself as quick has possible! Its like you still have those lightening fast reflexes of your surroundings! I have to drive to the races alone because my cheering section is way to nervous to ride with me! I'm guessing that other riders have this issue as well? I have definitely improved my driving etiquette over the past 36 years of racing!
24:25 i had the same problem with removable valve cores that kept unscrewing. i had to do basically the same thing except i didn't bother tying down the pump. i got a new mini-pump that doesn't screw on and now i don't have this problem.
How far did you have to. ride with it like that?
i think it was something like 5 miles / 8km
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(1939) The Brits trying to solve The Enigma: "What a fine piece of German machinery!"
(2019) The Brits looking at a Canyon bicycle: "What a fine piece of German machinery!"
4:21: "Cyclists bring traffic to a halt..." According to the dictionary traffic means all vehicles using the road. So actually "Traffic brough traffic to a halt..." Just like it does every day on the M25, M6, M1, M20...