*[KOREKIYO SHINGUUJI FANS, PLEASE READ BEFORE COMMENTING]* I meant absolutely no offense to his fans when I was writing this video. However, I please request that you don't comment "he was abused" or something along these lines. I am doing my best to collect myself enough to come back to this, as I am a victim of familial abuse myself. I need time to be able to do this, because I would like to come to this conclusion on my own. It's incredibly distressing to receive comments forcing me to reengage with it before I'm ready to do so. Please respect my boundaries and mental health. THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO MAKE "SWEET HOME ALABAMA" JOKES IN THE COMMENTS. just like i need time to come back to this character, even his fans are uncomfortable with these comments. any comments caught doing this will be deleted.
I'm kinda pissed korekiyo died but at the same time he would keep killing again, because likely he wouldnt have been able to get any help. The thing that upset me the most was when they poured salt on his spirit. Definitely an overkill.
Korekiyo when Kokichi touches the gold katana: *I WILL RIP YOUR NERVES OUT* Korekiyo when someone mysteriously gets murdered by the same katana: lol sword go stabby stab
can i quickly just say i really despise all the people who kind of reduce angie to a brainless religious person or imply she's an airhead? because she really isn't - she's incredibly intelligent
I feel like Kokichi was right when he called Himiko our for being a hypocrite. She may have cared deep down, but she treated Tenko like garbage and constantly dismissed her when she was alive. She didn’t appreciate her friendship until she was gone, and calling her out partially helped her cope with her feelings as well. This made it so she no longer lied to herself about how she felt about Tenko as well as Angie
@@biggestremiliascarletfan2797 You could say that, but I feel like he was also being honest (as honest as koikichi can get towards others) about the fact that she didn't truly appreciate them till they died. Cause-- She didn't. It's something that only adds to her character development though, so him pointing it out was something insightful imo.
@@citusfleur5925 yeah sure, but mind you he was blaming her for the murder. It may have helped her character development but that doesnt change the fact that he was acting like an absolute dipshit
@@biggestremiliascarletfan2797For him blaming her, I don't see why he's at fault for it. The purpose of the class trials is to go around and see if someone is a suspect, and find everyones alibi's to rack down who did it. Accusing her doesn't make him stupid. As for the fact 'oh of course she didn't do it she was their friends' is logic that they can't use in trials because, well, obvious reasons.
"They would have never found Angie's body, ever" I wonder what would have happened then. Would Monokuma be like… "Well shit, I'm opening this door for you because I don't want to get bored" or "Welp sucks to be her" Probably the first one.
If I remember right there wasn't a rule against breaking down doors in V3 unlike 1 where it was a plot point. So they probably could get in. But it is an interesting point that technically a trial could be averted either because the blackend successfully concealed it, or if one or two people discovered the body and warned everyone to stay away keeping the 3 person minimum from being triggered.
The thing is that eventually, They'd find her one way or another, but unless monokuma actively interferes a lot of the evidence will have been lost to time. Making alibis non-existent and therefore creating the perfect murder.
I always did wonder about that. Especially during DR2, I was like "If one or two people just murder Nagito, and then stash his body somewhere out of the way, the body would never be discovered, and it'd never go to trial, right?"
@@restless276 Oh yeah that's a good point ! But the body was already "discovered" was it not ? Monokuma always unlock everything once the body is discovered
I mean that’s like EVERY danganronpa killer all of them could have just done something like kiyo, just bash someone in the head and leave it at that, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO gotta use that locked room trick, or gotta use yamada to help out, or gotta torture myself and assume the others care about my life despite me LITERALLY BEING A CONFIRMED NUTCASE.
Something I'll say that a lot of people don't bring up is that Monodam and Angie are actually parallels. Crazy right? Monodam tries to control the group into getting along, he uses a more forceful tactic but his line of thinking is about the same as Angies. He want's everyone to get along and for another killing not to happen. Angie wants the same thing and creates the student council to control the other students. We see both characters use fear tactics and manipulation into getting other to do what they want. The reason I started thinking this was because of the key. You know the key Monodam ate, the one to the Art room. Monodam says "Let me see that." as he takes the key and eats it, so everyone will get along. Later we see Angie pull the same trick saying "Let me see that." for the flashback light as she takes it and smashes it on the ground. She did the same crap as monodam, and I think thats pretty funny.
Even funnier; they actually took something potentially important away from each other. That key was suppose to be Angie's, but Monodam ate it before it could be used. At the same time, that flashback light was Monodam's idea to get everyone to get along, but she crushed it under her foot before it could be used. I think Angie was also a foil for Monodam, as she was basically the first sign that he was starting to lose control over the killing game. (Seriously, she outright defied him right in front of everyone, and was even more powerful than he was in that moment!)
12:40 is such a cursed scene because it looks like kaede, rantaro, kirumi and ryoma are all standing doing a ritual while angie's corpse is on the ceiling
I personally don’t see the problem with Korekiyo’s motive being so fucked up, as I’m certain that was the point. You’re not supposed to find him sympathetic, you’re supposed to be reviled by him. It’s honestly refreshing to have such an inexcusable bastard in a series where pretty much every murder is sympathetic to a degree. Korekiyo actually ended up being my favorite thanks to that, and I found his character very entertaining prior to and during this chapter. Also seesaw is fucking hilarious best V3 meme no doubt.
Hehe, Korekiyo is so cool. He's so smart and sassy too. In real life, I guess I wouldn't want to encounter a person like him, but he was fresh air. I also liked Twogami. He's second best boi. Chihiro is also first best girl. (No spoilers guys, c'mon.)
Apparently Korekiyo does have a sad backstory, (he was sexually and emotionally abused by his sister) that led him to be such a lunatic. But I do agree that it was a good choice to not have during the trial
I agree, They needed a darker motive, Since all previous motives where light grey at best. I don't think his motive is purely inexcusable, However it's far from sympathetic. Edit: Seesaw is the V3 equivalent of The Meat on Bone.
Adding on to your thoughts on how Himiko's ark led to the lesson about how you should remember the dead and live on so that they may continue to live on through you, I think Korekiyo's motive being what it was, acted as a subtle reminder not to take that lesson too far. Kiyo's whole motive revolves around his dead sister, a person he loved more then anything or anyone in the world; even though his dialog hinted at her being an abusive manipulator, but I digress. He obsessed over her death and making sure her dream could be seen done, to the point where his very identity was being overwritten by the image of her, literally in this case. She is and always will be dead, but he couldn't accept that, and he let it consume him to the point of madness, even to the point of believing that she was possessing him; living through him. It even extends into his Talent. Over simplifying, Anthropology; to look deep into the past to learn about old and sometimes forgotten people and cultures. To learn about the long dead and gone, to see how their lives influences the future. He is always stuck in the lone gone past of those that quote unquote, "haunt" the current lives of the world. His actions are a warning. Always remember and treasure those that you love, even after they are gone, but do not let them be the only thing you let into your life. Keep hold of those memories, but don't be afraid to grieve and move on. Don't let the dead be the ones who control your future.
I really like this comment and it's super insightful (and I've come around to agreeing that while the subject is squicky, I agree Kiyo was likely abused), so if you don't mind I would like to pin this so everyone else can see it
@@DetectiveNyx I saw that you said "except bandai's character design. Bandai's design was a wildly racist mistake" what lead you to say that bc I think he just a cool dude
Are you guys forgetting her sexism or something? I'm glad she died because she annoyed the hell outta me. Then again, that could be because I'm a degenerate male, so my opinion clearly doesn't matter! According to her anyway.....
I 100% agree with you, that the moment Gonta Gokuhara inadvertently roasts Miu Iruma at the trial completely changed the way I thought of his character. Because of that one scene, it showed that Gonta's character had this huge hidden meaning behind him. Nyeeh... I'd further explain but i'm outta MP... and typing all of this is a pain...
When you realize Korekiyo was being used and abused by his sister... changed my whole perspective on the guy. Now he’s my second favorite after best boy Gonta
@@DetectiveNyx There's some decent amount of evidence to infer that this might be the case! WeeblyNews did a pretty great character analysis about it. It's a pretty widely accepted headcannon or at least decent inference to get to. Btw great video I hope you do one on chapter 2 if you can get past the tears^^
It's possible, but not confirmed. There's no hard evidence to suggest that outside of the fact that korekiyo is stated to be the younger sibling putting him in the more vulnerable position. Personally I like to think that's the case because it helps redeem Korekiyos character for me at least a little, but I'd still rather not have had the unnecessary incest backstory in general. It feels completely pointless and did major damage to a character that would have otherwise been my favorite of the cast
@@windwaker407 i think it works. He's a guy who doesn't care about social norms to the point he's perfectly okay with killing people, because they're all subjective to him. If it grosses you out then that's the point.
if trial 2 never happened according to me trial 1 3 and 4 never happened either and everyone is alive and happy, including the mastermind, and NONE of those weird romanticized abusive subplots in any of the games don’t exist because i said so. :)
I honestly feel bad for Kork, I believe that he was abused by his sister and I personally love him. But I also understand why a lot of people dislike him.
@@ashleysalomon4349 There’s a head canon ore whatever That in the pregame world His sister loved danganropa (it’s why he joined in the first place) and was an actual good sister- And danganropa used that against him That and pregame tenko was just miu-
@@ALN1ER Well, Kokichi IS a very well-written character, to my mind. But then again, so was Komaeda. And both of them are so popular because of yaoi fanfics and doujins. I myself am not a big fan of either of them, but I gotta give them props for being such beautifully written characters. (By the way, when there was a survey about favourite characters of v3, Kokichi was the second (!) right after Saihara. Even though he didn't survive, he became very dear to everybody)
I actually already liked this trial, I mean, Kiyo is one of my favorite characters in Danganronpa and I think that his murders were truly complex, and as you said, if they didn’t have Kokichi they would’ve never discovered Angie’s body. I didn’t really mind the incest part because it gave the character some more depth in my opinion, and seeing that the person he loved the most also turned her back on him and actually helped vanishing his soul is really strong. I did notice Himiko’s development, and even I have to say that Tenko’s last words were a dead giveaway of her death, and I would’ve liked something more subtle over something that blunt, but it is honestly my favorite trial of V3, yes it might be underrated, but I also feel that a few trials and massively overrated. Honestly, trials 3-5 are my favorites of V3 🤷🏻♀️
I just had a thought - what if they hadn't discovered Angie's body? No body discovery -> no investigation -> no trial. This leads me to believe that Monokuma or the Mastermind would have opened the door, as otherwise their game couldn't progress. Thus Kokichi wasn't as necessary as is believed (for opening the door. Grape Boi was completely necessary for other things, such as putting a permanent end to the killing games)
You are so right! Angie was actually the smartest and, unknowingly, most logical one! Reasons you mentioned: - Always on the Protagonist Side (who is never wrong!) - Right during the first trial - Wasn't clouded by emotions and was right to suspect Himiko (she gets a lot of flag for that because she was a bad friend there. In a trial of life and death, friendships are nice but ultimately meaningless. They can make you blind and cause you to completely ignore a possibility.) *POTENTIAL SPOILERS* but also: - Did the right thing when she destroyed the Flashlights (Her reasoning was not completely correct for it but she had the right idea) - Not wanting to leave and, therefore, not giving Monokuma the power he possessed before with their constant reminders of "just kill one and get out, easy as that" - Her Ultimate Student Council was... extreme but they had the right idea with forbidding their fellow students to leave their rooms at night! EVERY... SINGLE... MURDER Was either prepared OR put in action during the night (except the first one maybe) 2. Kirumi prepared her murder before night time but put it in action during night time 3. Korekiyo prepared his tricks during night time because the ones not in the Council didn't want to follow their rules 4. Miu worked on her VR thing day and night and had enough time and chance to talk to Monokuma and put her plan into action 5. Himiko brought Kaito the Crossbow during night time (at least I think it was night time)
Other fun Scrum Debate Facts: Miu and Ryoma are the only characters not to be on the protagonists side, also Kirumi is the only person to be on both side half of the time and half of the time on the other side, Tsumugi is only on Shucihis side in the first trial, Tenko is always on Himikos Side, Korekiyo is only on the protags side when it's his trial etc
Another thing I've noticed is that Kiyo is kinda like Nagito (A crude mix of hope and despair.) Kiyo is a crude mix of logic and emotion. He's very intelligent, he's able to do things and calculate. He plays a huge part in solving murders. He's also very emotional, only killing just to send friends to his sister.
Blame the devs for how the 3rd trial went in the 2nd game. Fuyuhiko was supposed to die, but since it would affect Peko’s sacrifice. They allowed him to live so Peko didn’t die for nothing. And so his character development could happen. Hiyoko just got tossed in, in a VERY lazy way. And it wasn’t deserved. And it also made everything Mikan did, just wasteful and made her look like she didn’t pull of her murders properly. The 3rd trial was just a huge slap in the face to Mikan and Hiyoko. There’s a huge reason why a lot of the fans think it should’ve just been Ibuki, or also replacing Hiyoko with Sonia to die.
RANKING CHAPTER 3s without much detail because you dont deserve a paragraph: 1st game has the best 3rd case V3 is meh 3rd case with lotsa missed potential The sequel's 3rd case is virtual diahrea
You raise some very great points, and while I don't like this trial much more than before i watched this, I believe that it's very impactful in developing Himiko's character. I still think it's the worst V3 trial, as it has a strange motive and has some missed potential, but I do think that this trial plays a large role in justifying Himiko's survival of the killing game. Just thought I might spout out an opinion or two.
I don't think it had a weird motive, at first he just wanted to kill one girl because he was simpin for his sister. But then he killed someone else when he already setup the seesaw. So he just used it because he already had it set up.
JAMS Dream Yea, I just meant that post trial 3, Kiyo said only Maki and a Miu weren’t worthy or whatever, but yea shmoogie wasn’t at the seance and therefore wasn’t really in any danger
JAMS Dream Yes omg I completely agree!! I’m not very articulated so seeing you completely summarize these jumble of words in my mind about Tenkos intentions with Himiko is super great so thank you!
@JAMS Dream Also of note, Tsumugi likely knew exactly what was going to happen with the seance and would never have put herself in such a position in the first place. She was the only person in the game who actively seemed to avoid being in the spotlight outside of the first case.
I can't lie , all of the games with the double murder can play out strange..but v3 came out very sad i knew what Tenko's moral was about, and how Angie had a relationship with himiko. But the more I look at it starts gets even more sad...
9:38 *For those who are confused* Unlike many western cultures, in Japan people generally don’t call one-another by their first name. Doing so can be a mark of disrespect, unless you’re very close to the other person and in the right sort of casual environment, so you’ve read. But in this scene it shows how close Tenko & Himiko was. (Mental note then: first names are best avoided.)
chapter 3 in any of the main games kill at least one of my favourites 1- ishimaru & celestia 2- ibuki 3- angie, tenko and korekiyo luckily for drv3 i had quite a few favs although none survived
there are people like you, and then there are people like me. 3/4 of my favorites survived, and the last guy killed himself in the fifth chapter. yes, i’m flexing.
Best girl list Kirumi: Saddest death unmatched Kaede: was the protagonist Mio: funniest character Maki: pretty fucking cute Tsumugi: a boring character turned FUCKING MASTERMIND Angie: has a cult Himiko: Airhead character Well yes but actually sad Tenko: funny type of stupid (if with backstory knowledge) but too violent
Himiko is in my top 3 favourites of the entire series. I thought her ultimate talent already made her really special and I loved her character development. Seeing her smile for the first time made me tear up.
I *really* liked korekiyo before they revealed the sister thing. i thought his creepiness was a pretty unique part of his character. but then, seesaw go brrr
Dont make me tap the sign! *Korekiyo's sister was sexually abusive and she literally abused her brother at his most impressionable stages of his life, causing him to believe it was love.*
@@Crinkfries it isn't really that, the people who don't like him don't like him not for being overall creepy, but his incest thingy. the (you know) wasn't his fault, but people will mostly see it in an angle where it is, therefore making them have to rephrase it. (speech 100)
Is it weird that I still liked him even when he revealed the whole sister thing? Like when I got to that part I was just like "oh okay" and never really thought about it, but once I started reading about his backstory I felt kinda bad for him. And some people might say "oh you only liked him because you think he's hot" but I like both his character design and his personality. His creepiness and his love for humanity was just so interesting to me.
I just noticed how visually opposite angie and tenko are, tenko has black hair and Angie has white haired tenko wears blue clothing while Angie wears yellow clothing yellow and blue are considered to be opposites or colors that go well with each other also Angie has blue eyes while tenko has green, green eyes and blue eyes are not very different, but there has been a rivalry with green eyes and blue eyes.
I feel Angie is Optimism and Tenko is Realism with a hint of Pessimism. She tries to bring Himiko back down to Earth. While Angie tries to feed into the desperation hope Himiko has. Both want to help for completely differ reasons
I came Into this video hating Himiko and trial three, however after watching this you changed my mind and showed that this case was perfect in terms of character development and that Himiko is one of the best characters in the DR series, thank you.
Still bugs me that Himiko never apologized for how she acted during trial 2; keeping the trick behind her magic trick a secret and being all around uncooperative.
Intestinal Clouds well we have to look into himiko’s character, magic is all she had at the time; she didn’t have friends much and was depressed so her way of coping and moving forward was her magic. She hid behind this wall of smoke and mirrors so being forced out of this, she retaliates. it’s like saying all she has is nothing but a trick and lies to hide herself from reality, which is true, but she didn’t want to see that , how could she? To face such a harsh reality and to realize she had nothing left is impossible especially in these circumstances.
Intestinal Clouds she just lost everything she gained and her development was to show those emotions she was hiding behind that wall but that wall wasn’t torn down and she still had some faith in her magic, at that point it was the least of any of their worries and to apologize would be useless.
Pfffff just kidding, cmon guys we all know that kirumi isn't in the rest of the class trials cuz she is too busy cleaning and making sweets for everyone and y'know being alive... Yeah that's the reason...
Everyone always called Himiko useless and she was always my favorite (Kirumi too 😭) but Himiko's character development was absolutely amazing and when she broke out crying after the trial just destroyed me
Himiko Yumeno is my favourite character in Danganronpa and it's nice to have a better understanding of her as a character. Also yeah Korekiyo's motive for killing turns me off him, but otherwise I love him apart from that with his cool design and how he talks, especially when explaining things. If he wasn't crazy, he may have made it to best boy status only being rivaled by Kaito (DRV3 Spoilers Ahead) Still can we talk about how dumb that most of the motives go unused? Like the reviving a student from the dead? I can already imagine how cool a mystery that would of been of how they came back, only to then have a shocking betrayal at the end that it was a random person given the appearance and memories of the dead person. That would have just added to the messed up implications of the killing game being real. and tons of other motives went unused like the Card Key Kokichi stole (which is just such a unsignificant motive) and the first blood perk (which now that I think about it, how did no one get the big brain idea of stopping Kaede's death by saying she could still have her motive reward... I mean it would have made the trial anticlimactic and miss out on one of the most horrifying punishments, but still). The only motive used well was the Monopads with a video for each student, with the mystery of who had each others, Kokichi scheming to have a Monopad screening and the tragedies that these monopods contained. Guess in a way though the audience watching the killing game must have been disappointed as well.
i'm not too bothered they didn't go through the necronomicon arc, my problem is why didn't they try it? if it's fake it's fake, it's not gonna hurt anyone. It'd be better if you had to equivalent exchange it, you have to kill someone to make it work.
I originally liked Himiko because she reminded me of Gundham as their personas were both acting like a mage/sorcerer. It makes me wonder if Gundham also has a depression sort of thing or another. Like his favorite pet could have been tragically killed in a car accident or something.
Dont make me tap the sign! *Korekiyo's sister was sexually abusive and she literally abused her brother at his most impressionable stages of his life, causing him to believe it was love.*
as someone who already knew who killed who before playing v3, transfer student from beyond the grave is one of the best in the game. everything actually made sense and it developed character well and it was immaculately emotional. i’m glad i decided to play the game despite already knowing the ending because trials like this (and not the “ooh who’s the killer 😳😳”) are probably my favourite ones
So glad someone else shares my headcanons for Himiko! I see a lot of myself in her, as someone who struggles with ADHD and depression, and I'm happy to see I'm not alone in this. (how dare you play Clair De Lune, I can't handle this)
You know it's ironic Dr2 3rd trial ruined someone's character developpement ( *cough* *cough* Hiyoko ) while V3's third case created one of the best character developmment in the series.
I get that this comment is 2 years ago and your thoughts might’ve changed, but unless you dig deeper into the emotional remarks as mentioned in the video. The trial seems like a boring double murder which we see in the past 2 games.
Honestly Himiko’s reaction to Tenkos death is one of the most heart wrenching things in the series. She truly did care about her, but didn’t express that until it was too late.
Well if that happened then maybe my opinion on Akane (I have her as one of my least favourite characters in Danganronpa, with her feeling too similar to Aoi, but feeling a lot more idiotic to the point of irritating, having a plot convenient gut and has the most annoying crying sound effects I have ever heard. Shame too since from what I've heard, she was meant to be the antagonist and honestly I feel her role would have been perfect for that with some of those cool sprites). and yeah otherwise I more meh on Sonia if you were wondering. She just exists but doesn't annoy me.
I love Sonia a lot (and I mean a LOT) but I feel like she should’ve died in ch3 in Hiyoko’s place. It would’ve given Hiyoko an ACTUAL CHARACTER ARC like she DESERVES, and it would’ve given Kazuichi some much needed character development (+ it would still be different to Tenko’s death since this time the “stalker” lives and the “senpai” dies)
One thing I would like to bring up that I thought of while watching this video You mention a big theme of the game, and this chapter in particular, is the concept of logic vs. emotions, and I think that another notable way this applies is with Korekiyo himself and his crimes. Logic: When beginning the set up to his very elaborate plan, he is interrupted by the logic oriented Angie, who he has to swiftly kill off in a rather crude way, especially for this series and who he as a person is. But with this he crafts together a plan to cover up his crime in a very enigmatic locked room mystery to erase nearly all evidence of his involvement, save for one brief oversight with the tape. And in this locked room we even see him attempt to toy with the emotions of the others, specifically the detective and massive assets to the trial, Shuichi, by using Kaede specifically to pierce with his katana and lock the room with. He eventually mentions in the trial that Monokuma states it is only the murderer of Angie that will be punished, and because save for one small oversight, and him not anticipating the lock picking skills of Kokichi, he creates a scenario where he is nearly able to get away with things had that just been it. However, Emotions: In his drive to fulfill his goal of sending 100 friends to his sister, Korekiyo decides that even after his murder of Angie, which would've been near impossible to pin specifically on him, he can't waste the plan he had already set up, going against logical reasoning. And so he urges the group to move into those empty rooms and perform the seance he had planned for and the death trap he had initiated so he could murder another, one that was premeditated, and one he had a planned victim of, that being a female friend for his sister. And the victim just so happens to be the emotion oriented Tenko. Had his urges and desires not driven him to do this, he could've gotten away, but his emotion took over his logic then and there. Even in the trial he exhibits both. Towards the beginning he leans towards logic more, ironically towards his more emotion driven kill. It is quickly figured out that he was behind Tenko's murder, but he is able to divert people to his involvement for a time, use reasoning that could point away, mess with Himiko in particular to complicate things, and, even once he is found out, uses the fact that only the murderer of Angie will be punished to his favor. As they don't quite know it was him who killed her, he is able to continue using logic to attempt to win the trial and escape. But once his involvement with Angie's murder becomes clear, he finally starts breaking down, hard, and his emotions finally take full front in this time. Where as he worked more with logic at the beginning of the trial, now it was emotions that was the clear victor. We learn his true emotional motives, and we see his logical shell crack. Korekiyo has a huge duality here, and it ultimately is what backfires on him and seals his fate. And it shows he can't operate solely on logic like he would like to as his hidden emotions interfere. There's likely more to it but i found it very fascinating to consider while watching.
Lady Sonia is a great character, she is funny, has an interesting story and she is one of the most inteligent danganronpa characters, but the video was really good except for the part, I would say it was really enjoyable and fun
Yes, I totally agree with you. From the start, I have loved Himiko and never understood why everyone hated her so much. Maybe it's because they would have preferred someone else live, such as Kokichi (because he seems to be the fan fav even though there are many better characters, but let's not get into that right now) or Gonta, and they shrug her off as boring even though that couldn't be further from the truth. She had some of the best development in the franchise, in my opinion, and this video helped me believe that even more. Her development also felt the most real to me, since I have an older sister who acts a lot like Himiko due to depression, and I just felt closer to her because of that. It's realistic. That, plus her development wasn't just the author blaming all her shitty actions on a crappy past life and calling it good, like many characters. It actually showed her moving on and being a better her overall. Yet they brush off her development and that third trial just because Korekiyo had some weird incest going on...I thought the fandom would be smarter about this... *smh noises* | v TL;DR - I agree with you 100% (That being said, Himiko and Akane are extremely underrated characters who got great development and people still think they're boring, so I don't know with this fandom anymore, lmao. Unless their batshit crazy, nobody gives a hell, apparently...)
Thank you for acknowledging the logical side of Angie's character. It became clear to me how logical she was early in chapter 3 when she was telling the gang just how irrational and ridiculous it is to try to constantly control everything. All of her quirky antics and spiritual motives seemed to distract everyone to that side of her. And distractions seemed to the big hangup for a lot DR fan especially in regard to chapter 3 (best in game). To be fair tho there are a lot of distractions here.
When diving into Korekiyo as a person i think we can explain his incestious relationship as nothing more then schizophrenia, and i'm not using this terms for no reason. Schizophrenia:a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behaviour, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation. Schizophrenia for what i know is seperated into 3 major type of symptom changing from one individue to another: -Positive symptoms wich classifies hallucination and dementia that can take many form as well as excentric through and mannerism , in Shinguji's case hallucinations and dementia make him see and firmly believed that her sisters still exist as a coping mechanism over her death. For the excentric part i don't think i have to explain between is through on beauty of the dark said of humanity and his weird demenors that charecterise him. -negativs symptom wich caused pore and growing difficulty in social and emotional interaction, most of the time causing apathy and an isolation to a very few relationship, in this case Korekiyo only relation was her sisters wich he spend all days with at the hospital and his lack of social skill by his weird deminors and total apathy when talking about admiring to see the despair of other, being openly sexual without any reaction or simply be able to kill without remorse. -Dissociative symptoms wich his a disorganization of the way you think, speak, feel and your body reaction. This can caused in some cases irrational or illogical speech especially under pression where subject lose easily nervs and most importantly obsessional and idealisational through. So there you have it: Korekiyo is delusional over his sister. His delusion make him fantasise by coping mecanism a reality where he can stay in his comfort zone with only one relationship where he lived the more pure and ideal love with his sisters (People saying him is a creep cause acting like she's still alive) as well as embrassing sexuality (especially bondage) as he see is a total pure beauty (he also belive a ritual using rope is what bring her back explaining his obsession with ropes). This also explain his obsession with human beauty in even the darkest of act and anthropology wich he explain during his free time were both given to him by his sisters, to embrace dark beauty he commited murder by love. A darkest and romantic twisted form of beauty. By doing this Korekiyo reject any form of logic by embrasing delusion and reject any form of real emotion like grief by staying in his comfortable lie that this relationship and happiness bring him. But in his mind this is the real logic and emotional way of thinking His execution have him being punish by his real sister ghost, of course she would if she wasn't crazy like her brother. She implated those complicated feeling in Korekiyo mind but his obsession was what bring him to do such horrible and twisted things. In first the scene of reunion is representing to ne idelic only to be broke in realisation and terror by Monokuma and the music when what begin by joy of dying in delusion end with pleeding for his afterlife in realisation and terror of what is really happening. And there you have my through on the all incest things, i'm french so sorry for the many spelling error. Still hope my point of view have been interesting to at least for one of you and I wish you to have a good day! ^//^
this is good, i never assumed he was schizophrenic, just normal delusional, but when you put it like that i agree. Also it's heavily implied that his sister used him as a way of vicariously exploring the world as she couldn't due to her disease, that including... different kinds of exploration, so you can add that he's probably abused by his sister as well, shown by how controlling his second personality is.
I absolutely love Himiko She's my favorite V3 Character My 2nd is Tenko I don't really get the Himiko x Tenko hate They would make such an amazing couple First we have Tenko: Tenko knows how to express herself. She knows that emotions are important for you to live a healthy life. She sees how Himiko isn't able to express herself well enough. (I'll also mention that Tenko said she always wanted to be a magical girl which plays a part in her feelings for Himiko I guess). She's literally the only one who supports himiko at all because she either had the same problems and knows the aftermath of it or she just knows something is up. She wants to show Himiko what all these Emotions feel like. And she would've done such an amazing job. Honestly, after she died I was so mad. Because I felt like Himiko and Tenko could finally get really close. I felt like Tenko finally reached out to Himiko. And she literally did. After Tenko died Himiko was so much more "alive". Now for Himiko: I wouldn't say Himiko is "depressed". It could be, I just don't believe so. I think Himiko has a form of Autism that won't let her experience emotions as well as others. Personally, my brothers have autism. They just have a form of autism that let's you experience anger more than other emotions. It's rare I see them really excited, happy or sad. They're just extremely mad or not so mad. Which was the same with Himiko. She was either extremely tired. Or less tired than usual. That is until Tenko showed her. Or at least she tried her best. Of course it doesn't work right away. If that was the case it would've been so boring. But in Chapter 3 she finally reached out to her. She got her moving forward to better herself. And I was so happy about that. I know DR is all about despair, yes yes. But cmon. Did this really have to happen? Did they only do that for the "despair effect"?. Himiko, and allot of people who probably got inspired by this, didn't deserve this. Tenko is a huge emotional support character for Himiko (and me). Himiko and Tenko would make an amazing couple because it would be an extremely healthy relationship. Himiko was such a fkin punching bag through all of this. Himikos experience made me so sad. She wanted to make everyone happy by performing a show. Someone died during her show. Himiko wanted to experience true happiness through religion. Angie died. Himiko got framed for murder two times. A murder of her probably best friend. Of course she didn't know how to fu***ng react. Of course she didn't know how to refuse. Everyone has probably been in a situation where you have been accused of wrong doings but even tho it wasn't your fault you still didn't know how to refuse and took the blame. Everyone has probably been there at least once. Give her a fu**ing break ffs. Give her the happiness she deserves. This girl has been through so much more than the other characters. And yet almost everyone hates on her. Thanks for reading
I think the reason people don't like this trial is simple, they just care about the mystery and the motive, and that's fine I guess those are interesting parts of Danganronpa, but I feel like people play Danganronpa for the wrong reasons, when you have no empathy for the characters everything else loses meaning.
Yes But it's still good to have a really smart murder case Oh and if you want a recommendation of death game with well written characters, my advice is to enter the Kimi Ga Shine/Your Turn To Die fandom (free games playable on browser, translated by vgperson) ^^
Exactly. Look at, for instance, CinnamonToastKen's playthrough of the series. At best, he's there for the murder mystery, and at worst, he doesn't even like that aspect and is just playing it for the views. Either way, he completely ignores the characters and emotional impact, and it shows in his videos.
People dont like this trial because its missed opportunity, One they could have revived someone and Two they could have had different murderers and then had the rest of the game with one of the characters having killed someone. Would have been more interesting.
It was certainly an interesting choice to have Korekiyo be more of a creative murderer than a smart murderer, but at the same time I feel that a good mystery is an important part of Danganronpa. I still like this chapter because of the character moments and the killer being so insane, but with Danganronpa tending to drag on a bit long and the killer being so obvious, it's really hard to really stay invested.
Korekiyo had been mentally abused by his sister. His sister manipulated him into loving her in that sick way. Since she was diagnosed with a sickness, it could've been the cruel idea of "you aren't leaving me." So she purposefully made it a goal to have him depend on her and never think of the idea of leaving her. When she did the mark had been planted and Korekiyo was unable to move on from her death. Korekiyo would have grieved for a long time if he WASN'T mentally abused by her. It probably would've been the same motive, but the underlying love of a older brother who couldn't have taken the idea of his sister taken away from him. It would have shown a side of Korekiyo I wish the creators had given him. Someone who cares too much. Because he did. Even without the manipulation, having your younger sister in the hospital her whole life, and you unable to help her, just try to stay and spend your time with her as much as you can because you know that she can't make friends, she can't experience schools and classmates like you can. The reason Korekiyo was into incest, was because his sister abused him into submission. I hope this changes at least your dislike for Korekiyo a little bit. It probably didn't make sense, but I see Korekiyo in a glorious light. I respect your opinion of not liking him. But due to my overthinking trait I found myself loving him greatly.
Man's a victim himself even if he's a serial killer(although that isn't true, he still believes it to be and is completely okay with it and continues his killing.), there's always a reason, some sort of origin of malice that infects the surroundings, in this case that was his sister, a selfish desire to feel loved due to an illness she had. That grew into malice that she spread into Kiyo, where he then became a murderer. I'm sure that since he only kills wonderful and good people(who are female), there are families and friend groups that have lost their pillar of support, the friend or family member they can rely on because of one girl who failed fate and was destined for death alone. Perhaps some of them even adopted psychopathic tendencies themselves, imagine hundreds of Komaeda's and Fukawa's.
She had some fun lines, and the personality of a Disney princess if Disney princesses were for a bit older audience But I admit that she wasn't the most intelligent and interesting character ever
Through my play through of trial 3, i cried so hard as I grew attracted to Angie and Tenko and jumpstart my attachment to wards Himiko and her development
Ummmm EVERY 3rd trial is underrated. Literally none of the fans give Celeste, Mikan and Korekiyo any credit for how smart they were and how well they pulled it off. Each of these trials gave off a really good plot twists and they really helped continue the story, and helped the other characters develop better. The reason why they’re the underrated (and especially hated) trials is because the killers of each one kill fan favourites off and the fanbase get’s really salty about it. They’re very unique trials that the fanbase gives barely any credit for. So thanks for making a video about this trial. I’d love it if you made one for Mikan’s trial as well. And maybe also dive into Mikan’s backround. Her life and childhood....is so messed up....But I blame the writers for how awful the trial went down. Fuyuhiko was supposed to die and the developers just threw in Hiyoko last minute. So it was just a sloppy way of how it went.
Sorry but the third trial of the first game is definitely the weakest since you can guess pretty much everything as soon as it happens because of how odd Celeste's behavior was whereas in Danganronpa 2, well with the investigation it becomes pretty obvious but it's not as easy. For the plan itself, Kyo had definitely the best one for both murders and Celeste the weakest one. It wasn't so much as to guess who the culprit was in her trial, but to dismantle everything to go to her.
@@eric7798 You opinion is very true but mostly the main reason Celeste got cought was because hufumi said the casts last names instead of the first names. The plot twist in the 1st games chapter 3 was very surprising. The 2nd games 3rd trial is sloppy because hiyoko died with out figuring the murder weapon just so fuyuhikyo could get character development. And the 3rd games 3rd trial is actually cool. No one would have expected a murder to take place while figuring out a murder all ready. Even though it was kinda obvious it was kiyo it was still fun to hear his motives (the fandom did him dirty) And how he did it.
Oliver7 Maunoury yeah sure, she got herself caught and it wasn’t as organized. But she cause so much chaos and confusion. Like her plan was fucking smart as hell. And no one gives any 3rd case killers and trials any credit at all. Like imagine doing what celeste did but in real life. It’s genius, and real life investigators would literally FLOP trying to solve them.
If you want good media representation of autism, I feel like MLP did it wonderfully with Maud Pie. Sure, she's still a bit out there, but she's one of the most likeable characters in the show imo. But yeah, I agree, there needs to be way more actually good representation of stuff like this.
Now we just need a video about Ryoma, my precious tennis baby (I'm never saying that again, I cringed xD) gets so swept under the rug it's honestly low-key depressing
I really, really, REALLY want to do that video but given I broke down in normal conditions after finishing the chapter, I have no idea what the hell it'd do under COVID-19 restrictions
I actually liked Korekiyo, I even still liked him after he murdered 2 girls, even his motive ain’t toooo bad, but ugh the incest really just turned me off. I get that it’s SUPPOSED to make you uncomfortable, but I still kinda hate it :/
Dont make me tap the sign! *Korekiyo's sister was sexually abusive and she literally abused her brother at his most impressionable stages of his life, causing him to believe it was love.*
@@korkshingucci9632 That doesn't justify murdering not just Tenko and Angie, but also nearly 100 innocent women. And the abuse backstory is not confirmed, its just a theory, so please stop acting as if its absolute fact.
@@hollycrystalworth7965 Ah yes, i too have started a literal romantic relationship with my sick sister whom is way older than me on purpose when i was very young, cause everyone knows that young chlildren are not impressionable and know exactly what sex and romance are supposed to be like! /sarcasm, if you havent fucking picked up. I also wondered why he would pick up anthropology if his sister wasnt a blatant fucking role-model for him. And the fact tha the did seances to contact her, and LITERALLY BY HIS WORDS, "WENT MAD" WHEN SHE DIED, I wonder why he wouldnt go apeshit and full of trauma and decide to kill for something he considered to be a noble cause!
@@korkshingucci9632 Yes, I do believe he was abused by his sister, anyone who thinks that he’s just gross and likes incest needs to get out of my sight. BUT that still doesn’t change the fact that when that part happened I wanted to just skip the whole trial, and it made sorta just stare at the screen thinking “What the.. what the fuck am I watching.”
This video made me remember that I used to have a really shallow view of most characters in DR, particularly Tenko back when the game first came out and I feel glad that all changed. Back when I went through the Big DR binge in mid 2019 where I went through everything (the games, light novels, manga and even some fanfics) is when I got a newfound appreciation for V3’s story and characters as a whole, and this video exemplifies some of the things that were going through my mind while I was replaying chapter 3. Also V3 really had to do it to me huh? Killing best boy and girl in chapter 2. Ryoma and Kirumi deserved better.
Wow, just wow. For the anniversary, i've been getting back into the series and when i saw this recommended the first time i thought "Really?" And expected satire at most (Akin to Nuc's videos if you get what i mean.) However this was such a beautifully crafted essay that gave me a whole new perspective on not just this trail but side characters who are kind of underrated. I never would've guessed the logic vs emotion theme nor Himiko possibly having depression or any other mental illness but i now can see it makes sense. I loved how you didn't even skip Kiyo as being a meme killer (Though at first the seesaw joke is funny). Despite Kiyo not being perfect, he wasn't boring nor obviously straightforward as you mentioned. I was surprised that i didn't notice how indeed creative the killings were which i think fits his character being that he's a serial killer. And though predictable, the fact that he's predictable is kinda refreshing in murder mysteries/DR, it makes him flawed, a human teen making mistakes as well. Though i agree it would've been better he had DID than what was given. Himiko's character arc here was indeed written well and one of the strongest, With Kokichi being the one to remind her making him balanced as well. The mini inclusion of the topic of grief although i haven't experienced did surprised me and being able to tie DRV3 to Coco's idea of remembering the memories you made really surprised me. I also loved how you talked bout now people dismiss analyzing deeply as reading too much into things as it's something i feel bullied for by my peers in school. Personally i love it when stories have a deeper meaning and analyzed so it made me feel like i wasn't being made fun of for thinking that way. Basically I'm saying you did do your job cause you did change my opinion on this trial (not the best but still good) and i think it was one of the best video essays about Danganronpa P.s I love your -sona design, purple and pink looks good together and you ROCK the purple lips
Angie was always correct and that’s what gets me so mad, nobody took her seriously cuz she was always saying atua this atua that, if she would’ve said *I* think we should crush the flashback lights etc, more ppl would’ve listened.
Me accidentally realizing all of my favorite characters are the ones that repress their emotions because I didn't notice I related to them until later lol I love himiko so much, and I didn't even know why until now.
My gf is playing through DRV3 constantly and I noticed Himiko's development after the third trial and I loved it, and I think that helps because I had seen the ending before watching the game. But this really really helped me understand why I adored Tenko and keep just mentioning how different Himiko is as a character pre and post chapter 3. Also thinking about her Free Time Events she probably has abandonment issues since the one person she looked up to basically abandoned her and she spends the entirety of her FTEs trying to tell herself he's coming back for her, so I think there might be something to say for how the next two people having no explicit way of coming back was something that broke through that negative coping mechanism as well. Also I think the Necronomicon being the motive and being destroyed immediately after the trial might link into that coping mechanism? And maybe also taunting Korekiyo's similar horrible way of dealing with grief?
Honestly I love How do you added adhd in there because honestly people only think of it as being distracted and energetic all the time when it’s really not?? I think of it like your emotions Get so much more heightened. Because I really hate how people treat adhd like A damn personality. And you’re not and I just it feels good to have someone actually understand what it is
Yes! Not to mention, secondary depression is a big part of adhd, and it kicks in due to a lack of proper stimulation. I related heavily to certain parts of Himiko, because it really seemed everything was a pain to her not just bc of depression- but a lack of motivation caused by being in a closed environment that is high stress with little interest-based stimulation. That's just my theory anyways, lol
exactly!!!! we do get very energetic and enthusiastic sometimes, yes, but thats also accompanied by emotional lows, tired nearly all the yime from trying so hard to function in a world not made for us, and people who have adhd are very likely to have or develop depression, anxiety, or sone other condition. for me atleast, i experience much more tiredness than enthusiasm
@@thefluffyaj4119 It's the same for me! I can be so hard sometimes that I cry from frustration. Like when I do schoolwork I solve one problem and my brain is like: "I'm gonna stop you right there m8"
i have adhd but i thought it was just being hyper and unfocused. lately I've been realizing that I'm really sensitive and emotional and when I get excited I do weird things and scream and stuff- is that um.. are those symptoms of adhd? (I'm diagnosed btw)
You are amazing. I never even thought about the trial that way before. While it is by no means my favorite trial, I do agree with many of your points. They have considerably brought my opinion of this chapter up. Thank you!
I’m late but I thought of something; Angie was the Ultimate Artist, Art is a form of expression often used to express EMOTION, Tenko was the Ultimate Aikido Master, and, I don’t know aikido but, I assume they use LOGICal thinking to combat opponents.
I feel like Tenko did a lot more to help Himiko then Angie did. Like how Tenko taught Himiko to express her feelings and to show how to care And how Angie... she really only gave Atua that was pretty much just false hope..
V3 is my fave game, and it has my all time favourite cast because I love how they tie into each other and how all characters left a impact in the story itself and felt fleshed out on it, even if analysing them better makes their actions make more sense. Their backgrounds can sound silly at first but as you play more everything makes sense, and the weird ftes make the characterization of the characters and their contradictions(like Tenko being sensitive to pain despite being a fighter) feel very unique and leave a lot up for interpretation, something that I love a lot. I love how ch3 can have every main character from it(Tenko, Himiko, Angie, Korekiyo) be interpreted as foils for each other in different senses, with Himiko and Tenko being the ones that are most obviously alike(having masters that are their most important mentors, believing everything these masters said, low social skills, taking stuff too literally, being gullible...), but other comparisons drawing in if you think about it(Tenko and Angie both being extremely religious, with Tenko coming from a buddhist temple being usually forgotten here and her buddhism and self improvement seeking influences her a lot as well. Angie and Himiko are escapists and comfort seekers and tend to stay in their comfort zones and rarely explore new things. Tenko and Korekiyo prefer to face reality and both believe in afterlife, even if they show it in opposite ways, with Korekiyo valuing it more than the current life while Tenko sees the current life as the most important thing... Himiko and Korekiyo both having noticeable, 'antiquated' speech patterns in japanese...) And it's easy to read most of them as neurodivergent as well (I'm autistic/have ADHD, and personally headcanon Korekiyo, Himiko and Tenko as autistic, and the latter two and Angie having ADHD as well), and while Korekiyo makes me uncomfortable(for many reasons, especially that trial, but a huge one is because the whole seance felt offensive to my religion bc they are extremely important in mine) he's also quite deeper than he looks and I believe that the 4 of them could have made interesting friends if they managed to sort their differences out, and help each other heal. They all also tie incredibly well with Monodam, him being overlooked by his siblings and having all his efforts to try and bring others together failing and all. I loved the whole student council subplot, and wish that it had lasted a while longer, maybe people would value these characters more if this had been like... Chapter 4 instead... Tenko, upon analysis, ended up being my fave character ever (and I even made an bigger analysis on her and why I think she is autistic a while ago) and it sucks when I see people simply reading her as 'lesbian' or 'violent man hater' and thinking she isn't a deep character, when most of that stems from translation differences(the degenerate males line itself being a bad translation of her pun), with her treating everyone respectfully and trusting men many times(like going to ask Shuichi for help but most importantly, trusting Korekiyo back at the seance), so her 'men hater' part is actually one of the main contradictions in her character. Anyways I love this analysis and I'm sad that the majority of these characters and this chapter themes get overlooked, ignored, or are over hated. Tenko doesn't deserve an entire hate subreddit :< Edit: When I say she doesn't hate men I'm not saying she feels attracted to them, I just think she can be a great and supportive friend to them bc I'd love seeing her form a friendship with Shuichi
as someone who adores the fact that tenko is a lesbian, it frustrates me to no end that she's always just REDUCED to being a lesbian and hating men, even by the people who claim to love her
@@DetectiveNyx yeah! I love her being a lesbian and all but it feels so tiresome seing her get reduced to that all the time and hearing so many people say she's unable to ever be friendly to a man or even that she'd kill the guys when her anti-killing stance is one of the strongest things about her character... There's just so much more to her than these two traits(and than liking Himiko as well) and I feel really sad when I see she being almost always reduced to these two...
I've always really loved this chapter and the trial a lot because it was one that really emotionally affected me because Angie is my favorite danganropa character and I also love Tenko and Himiko. In the trial you can hear how hurt Himiko is and how full of regret she is and it always makes me want to cry hearing how sad she is and especially at the end when she cries. It was really nice to see himiko express herself about how she feels unlike the other chapters even though I hate Kiyo a lot I thought the seesaw was really impressive and this trial is one of my favorites. Amazing video
I honestly can't tell you how happy I am to see someone actually liking Himiko. I didn't care too much for the third trial since mystery wise it's kinda overshadowed by the others in V3, but it's undoubtedly an important step for (imo) best girl. Also, about the whole autism thing, I sure wouldn't be surprised if there's a heck-ton more characters out there who just aren't confirmed as such (speaking from experience).
i rarely comment on videos, or log into my actual yt account to say something; but wow, aeris, i always find myself coming back to this video! playing through ndrv3, i found myself in love with the 3rd chapter for seemingly no reason other than my intuition; before chapter 4 absolutely destroyed me and now i cannot bear to finish the game 😄☝🏻 the foils of these two characters, tenko and angie, makes so much sense. with the context of your kokichi/celestia/angie video series, some of my research, and reading fanfic, everything really clicks! as someone who loves to read into things or analyze topics deeply - *cough me trying to figure out my identity* - exploring the hidden gem of this chapter and how it directly ties into the story and himiko’s arc / survival, is fawking exceptional. your analysis of this chapter is 5 out of 5 stars 😼🖊 i completely agree with how ‘transfer student from beyond the grave` teaches the lesson of “you don’t know what you have until it’s gone.” seeing how himiko and other characters throughout danganronpa deal, confront and eventually overcome the grief experienced to change is wonderful. for instance, fuyuhiko willingly betters himself by trying to be more open; aoi learns eventually that her fear of being alone is okay, as the memory of the fallen are always with you; even if they’re not physically there. akane grows subtly by not taking people or food for granted, and ensures this by trusting in the future. shuichi develops himself by discovering the truth, regardless if it hurts him emotionally or not, to keep kaede’s wish alive. this in turn redeems himself as a character because he overcomes this fear ever since solving the one case that led to his detective talent. as someone who is obsessed with MBTI types, ennegram types, love attachment styles, psychology, sociology, astrology, learning about mental illness and how our childhood influences pretty much everything in our future… it’s an aspect of the butterfly effect. the importance of stories, and why people love fiction, it’s all to learn something - whether that’s about ourselves, the environment around us, how immoral the world can be; stories teaches us a lifelong lesson. we dig so deeply into the iceberg as escapism because we are interested in a story and care about the meaning of it is. we want to immerse ourselves in the fantasy of the dimension in order to sympathize with the characters, see how we would react, etc. we relate to some degree of how these characters behave, the storyline overall, their role and the dialogue. i dislike kokichi, however i am able to see the other side of why he’s the way he is. although miu is a comfort character for me, kokichi acted [whether that’s good or bad - up for audience to decide] to the situation. in the end, it was either her or him, and he chose to value his life. whether one thinks it’s justifiable or not, these stories are based off of us… of humanity. we come back running to these comforts of ours because with time, we are able to take the information learned and processed from games, books, movies, etc. to apply it to ourselves. to apply it to our world, instead of the fictional one we desire to be in. we see characters hit rock bottom and then go on a beautiful arc, such as himiko and shuichi, which inspire us to keep going… even if we don’t want to. however, our favorite characters did, we become determined to push through. my little gemini heart won’t hesitate to say that due to stories, the characters and the themes of these pieces give us here a purpose. although these messages are corny, we subversively are taught this to learn that we have a purpose. gen z grew up practically drowning in the media thats led us to speak our minds, to express our emotions; to try and give ourselves a choice on how we move forward. the way you explained this video aeris, it’s mesmerizing in a way that it’s kinda hard for me to describe…? i apologize for this being so long to anyone who stumbles upon this comment, but this video has given me a lot of insight to write my own drv3 au, heavily inspired by your video. i’ve rewritten this comment a couple of times, so here are my final words : i want to thank you for making this video. honestly, all of the dangantubers and their videos remind me of how much this series is cherished, as just like the characters, this piece of fiction is installed in a very special place in our hearts… for the memory of it all, to keep the legacy of this story alive. like shuichi said, fiction can have an impact on our lives, for better or for worse. and wow, how blue haired raspberry detective 2.0 was right.
Analysis like this makes me want to be better at conveying how I feel about media. I have a lot of unpopular opinions, like liking Hiyoko or disliking the fifth chapter in 2 and V3, or hating the entire anime, but I always shrink when confronted about these things because I don't wanna argue or start stuff. I'm worried I won't be able to get others to understand me and just make an ass of myself. But videos like these inspire me to aspire to being better.
I like how they made the culprit feel like a side part of all of this and the real trial being about himiko’s development. This really changed my view on the trial (which was still already good but it brought out a side I didn’t see in my play through)
first off, let me say that this is a great video. Im glad someone has finally come to the defense of this trial. Secondly, I think korekiyos motivation wanst just sister fucking. I think part of him knew that his plan would fail, especially after he killed angie. He talked greatly about wanting good to people to be friends with his sister. This is shown after the trial, when he mentions that both tenko and himeko would be equal sacrifices, as he truly believes them to be nice people. He openlly saysthat maki and miu arent worthy for his sister. Plus, in the trial he brings up evidence and points that seem to lead towards him being the culprit. He fully embraces death at the end of the rial, implying its not just his desire to be with his siter, but also his desire to send good people to his sister. I know thats kinda a long paragraph, but kiyo is my favorite charcter of all of danganronpa, so i feel a bit of a need to defend him.
THANK YOU. Chapter 3 of v3 is among my favorites in the franchise, the characters are memorable in it and the case itself was very fun. Personally I have no issue with the whole incest thing, I even like that twist.
Really wanted to show this video to a friend who can't stand Himiko at all in order to change his mind even for a little bit. Sadly, Sonia is one of his favorite characters, so I doubt that will go well. Great video nonetheless.
*[KOREKIYO SHINGUUJI FANS, PLEASE READ BEFORE COMMENTING]*
I meant absolutely no offense to his fans when I was writing this video. However, I please request that you don't comment "he was abused" or something along these lines. I am doing my best to collect myself enough to come back to this, as I am a victim of familial abuse myself. I need time to be able to do this, because I would like to come to this conclusion on my own. It's incredibly distressing to receive comments forcing me to reengage with it before I'm ready to do so. Please respect my boundaries and mental health.
THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO MAKE "SWEET HOME ALABAMA" JOKES IN THE COMMENTS. just like i need time to come back to this character, even his fans are uncomfortable with these comments. any comments caught doing this will be deleted.
Ok then 👍
Aight then.
Edit: Aight is not a typo cuz I sometimes see people say this on Roblox.
I'm kinda pissed korekiyo died but at the same time he would keep killing again, because likely he wouldnt have been able to get any help. The thing that upset me the most was when they poured salt on his spirit. Definitely an overkill.
@@qjnopv4190 agree
I just got one of your videos on my recommended and as soon as you said you're non binary (me too) and that you like danganronpa I subbed. Hi
Korekiyo when Kokichi touches the gold katana: *I WILL RIP YOUR NERVES OUT*
Korekiyo when someone mysteriously gets murdered by the same katana:
lol sword go stabby stab
My penis power says otherwise
huc ucouuo
Nee hee hee
What if i stole the katana
@XxPucci'sboyfriend69Xx .o.
Eh ill do anything to make seesaw man mad
@XxPucci'sboyfriend69Xx oki doki
Tenko: *Hears Stomping noise*
Tenko: Something's wrong, I can feel it.
she certainly felt it in her neck
@@DetectiveNyx
*Kiyo noises*
*cries on the inside*
Tenko: Thanks getting that spot kiyo on my neck I couldn’t get it before
*dies inside because Tenko was actually becoming a good character*
"It's only through emotion and believing in Tenko that they figure out who the real culprit is."
"SPEAKING OF THE CULPRIT----"
*Section 2: Seesaw*
S e e S a w
Shuichi: George what’s your favourite (something something I can’t remember)
Koreiko: oink oink S E E S A W
*S e e s a w*
S e e S a w
S e e S a w
FACTS THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT ANGIE IS LOGICAL. NO ONE REALISES THAT SHE WAS SMART BECAUSE THEY JUST SEE HER AS HAHA FUNNY GOD GIRL
can i quickly just say i really despise all the people who kind of reduce angie to a brainless religious person or imply she's an airhead? because she really isn't - she's incredibly intelligent
@@DetectiveNyx
I think she is a nice representation of a cultist too, the cult leaders are really smart for trapping everyone like that-
_Angie is best girl, prove me the fuck wrong._
@@pekallthe2216 How can I prove you wrong tho, if you are 100 % right?
@@nyanarcho-communist Hm
Ryoma is criminally underrated
Just because he's tiny doesn't mean hes n o th ing
Tf, short people dont have right wadda ya meeaaannn?
*C R I M I N A L L Y Y O U S A Y ?*
everyone's still salty from teruteru
heh
*criminally*
B e s t
B o y
Trial 3 was so funny! Miu: "WHY IS HE WEARIN LIPSTICK? "
f u n n y
In a certain way but pretty sad too-
Kiyo is disgusting
@@ujchen2009
His sister is, if we considerate the fact that this bitch abused him-
So if he's like he is now, it's mostly because of his sis'
@@ujchen2009 no his sister was
Spoon Cancer no korekiyo was
I feel like Kokichi was right when he called Himiko our for being a hypocrite. She may have cared deep down, but she treated Tenko like garbage and constantly dismissed her when she was alive. She didn’t appreciate her friendship until she was gone, and calling her out partially helped her cope with her feelings as well. This made it so she no longer lied to herself about how she felt about Tenko as well as Angie
Honestly, if anything it made him seem more like a dick
@@biggestremiliascarletfan2797 You could say that, but I feel like he was also being honest (as honest as koikichi can get towards others) about the fact that she didn't truly appreciate them till they died. Cause-- She didn't. It's something that only adds to her character development though, so him pointing it out was something insightful imo.
@@citusfleur5925 yeah sure, but mind you he was blaming her for the murder. It may have helped her character development but that doesnt change the fact that he was acting like an absolute dipshit
@@biggestremiliascarletfan2797For him blaming her, I don't see why he's at fault for it. The purpose of the class trials is to go around and see if someone is a suspect, and find everyones alibi's to rack down who did it. Accusing her doesn't make him stupid. As for the fact 'oh of course she didn't do it she was their friends' is logic that they can't use in trials because, well, obvious reasons.
@@citusfleur5925 the "u didnt care previously but u care now so u did it" logic isnt very valid either.
"They would have never found Angie's body, ever"
I wonder what would have happened then.
Would Monokuma be like…
"Well shit, I'm opening this door for you because I don't want to get bored"
or
"Welp sucks to be her"
Probably the first one.
If I remember right there wasn't a rule against breaking down doors in V3 unlike 1 where it was a plot point. So they probably could get in. But it is an interesting point that technically a trial could be averted either because the blackend successfully concealed it, or if one or two people discovered the body and warned everyone to stay away keeping the 3 person minimum from being triggered.
The thing is that eventually,
They'd find her one way or another,
but unless monokuma actively interferes
a lot of the evidence will have been lost to time.
Making alibis non-existent and therefore creating the perfect murder.
I always did wonder about that. Especially during DR2, I was like "If one or two people just murder Nagito, and then stash his body somewhere out of the way, the body would never be discovered, and it'd never go to trial, right?"
That’s what they did for Chihiro cause the guys couldn’t of gotten into the girls changing room to find her
@@restless276 Oh yeah that's a good point ! But the body was already "discovered" was it not ? Monokuma always unlock everything once the body is discovered
I love how kiyo had pretty much the perfect murder and then went ahead with his artsy killing anyway.
he’s a fancy man ✨ 💅
I mean that’s like EVERY danganronpa killer all of them could have just done something like kiyo, just bash someone in the head and leave it at that, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO gotta use that locked room trick, or gotta use yamada to help out, or gotta torture myself and assume the others care about my life despite me LITERALLY BEING A CONFIRMED NUTCASE.
@@Lh0000 Danganronpa in a nutshell. Everyone could've gone stabby stab stab but that won't be fun would it.
lh0000 I think they got too much despair
Professionals have standards
Something I'll say that a lot of people don't bring up is that Monodam and Angie are actually parallels. Crazy right? Monodam tries to control the group into getting along, he uses a more forceful tactic but his line of thinking is about the same as Angies. He want's everyone to get along and for another killing not to happen. Angie wants the same thing and creates the student council to control the other students. We see both characters use fear tactics and manipulation into getting other to do what they want. The reason I started thinking this was because of the key. You know the key Monodam ate, the one to the Art room. Monodam says "Let me see that." as he takes the key and eats it, so everyone will get along. Later we see Angie pull the same trick saying "Let me see that." for the flashback light as she takes it and smashes it on the ground. She did the same crap as monodam, and I think thats pretty funny.
Honestly yeah. I wanna make a drawing with the two
Even funnier; they actually took something potentially important away from each other. That key was suppose to be Angie's, but Monodam ate it before it could be used. At the same time, that flashback light was Monodam's idea to get everyone to get along, but she crushed it under her foot before it could be used.
I think Angie was also a foil for Monodam, as she was basically the first sign that he was starting to lose control over the killing game. (Seriously, she outright defied him right in front of everyone, and was even more powerful than he was in that moment!)
Monodam just loves Angie
*talks about tennis final words while Clair De Lune plays.*
You did that on purpose, didn't you?
Man i teared up because of ptsd
TENNIS I'M FUCKING CRYINGNEQJHANSKLUNBE
@@eliascollier4774 Tennis is accurate, because before Tenko's final words, Himiko's development still had a ways to go.
@@saifuusuri You know what? I don't have to put up with this emotional abuse :(
@@saifuusuri What a nice touch
12:40 is such a cursed scene because it looks like kaede, rantaro, kirumi and ryoma are all standing doing a ritual while angie's corpse is on the ceiling
😂
And for some reason Kaede has a katana stuck in her front area
As a fan of Angie, I have no idea whether to laugh or cry at this
😂😂😂😂😂
I personally don’t see the problem with Korekiyo’s motive being so fucked up, as I’m certain that was the point. You’re not supposed to find him sympathetic, you’re supposed to be reviled by him. It’s honestly refreshing to have such an inexcusable bastard in a series where pretty much every murder is sympathetic to a degree. Korekiyo actually ended up being my favorite thanks to that, and I found his character very entertaining prior to and during this chapter.
Also seesaw is fucking hilarious best V3 meme no doubt.
Hehe, Korekiyo is so cool. He's so smart and sassy too. In real life, I guess I wouldn't want to encounter a person like him, but he was fresh air.
I also liked Twogami. He's second best boi. Chihiro is also first best girl. (No spoilers guys, c'mon.)
I've never heard my feelings so perfectly articulated. Thank you !!
Apparently Korekiyo does have a sad backstory, (he was sexually and emotionally abused by his sister) that led him to be such a lunatic. But I do agree that it was a good choice to not have during the trial
Thank you! omg, for real! People have to stop the immense hate towards Korekiyo!
I agree,
They needed a darker motive,
Since all previous motives where light grey at best.
I don't think his motive is purely inexcusable,
However it's far from sympathetic.
Edit: Seesaw is the V3 equivalent of The Meat on Bone.
Adding on to your thoughts on how Himiko's ark led to the lesson about how you should remember the dead and live on so that they may continue to live on through you, I think Korekiyo's motive being what it was, acted as a subtle reminder not to take that lesson too far.
Kiyo's whole motive revolves around his dead sister, a person he loved more then anything or anyone in the world; even though his dialog hinted at her being an abusive manipulator, but I digress. He obsessed over her death and making sure her dream could be seen done, to the point where his very identity was being overwritten by the image of her, literally in this case. She is and always will be dead, but he couldn't accept that, and he let it consume him to the point of madness, even to the point of believing that she was possessing him; living through him.
It even extends into his Talent. Over simplifying, Anthropology; to look deep into the past to learn about old and sometimes forgotten people and cultures. To learn about the long dead and gone, to see how their lives influences the future. He is always stuck in the lone gone past of those that quote unquote, "haunt" the current lives of the world.
His actions are a warning. Always remember and treasure those that you love, even after they are gone, but do not let them be the only thing you let into your life. Keep hold of those memories, but don't be afraid to grieve and move on. Don't let the dead be the ones who control your future.
I really like this comment and it's super insightful (and I've come around to agreeing that while the subject is squicky, I agree Kiyo was likely abused), so if you don't mind I would like to pin this so everyone else can see it
@@DetectiveNyx what anime?
Thats so interesting because I feared Shuichi was going to end up similar due to Kaede’s passing. Luckily he took that grief and made it better
@@tellonindia And there was Kaito/Kamina here for him. ^^
@@DetectiveNyx I saw that you said "except bandai's character design. Bandai's design was a wildly racist mistake" what lead you to say that bc I think he just a cool dude
This is an unpopular opinion but Tenko's my favorite character. She's so emotional and kinda funny. Tenko Rights
tenko rights,,,
TENKO RIGHTS!!! she’s my second favorite in the whole franchise after chihiro
TENKO RIGHTS!!!!!!!
@@pigeon5167
I can understand, lesbian rights and crossdresser(/trans for some interpretations) rights...
yes
Are you guys forgetting her sexism or something? I'm glad she died because she annoyed the hell outta me. Then again, that could be because I'm a degenerate male, so my opinion clearly doesn't matter! According to her anyway.....
I 100% agree with you, that the moment Gonta Gokuhara inadvertently roasts Miu Iruma at the trial completely changed the way I thought of his character.
Because of that one scene, it showed that Gonta's character had this huge hidden meaning behind him.
Nyeeh... I'd further explain but i'm outta MP... and typing all of this is a pain...
You may be fake in reality but you left in impact on me. Thank you
@Tenko Chabashira ah yes, lesbian girl, best girl.
Did you make your way onto the outside world?
oop
Well tbh I don’t think gonta roasting miu changed his character much as much as I like gonta I didn’t see him differently after that
“And gonta would have survived like he F*CKING DESERVED TO”
*cheers, I’ll drink to that bro*
When you realize Korekiyo was being used and abused by his sister... changed my whole perspective on the guy. Now he’s my second favorite after best boy Gonta
was he? like in his FTEs or school mode does he allude to that?
@@DetectiveNyx There's some decent amount of evidence to infer that this might be the case!
WeeblyNews did a pretty great character analysis about it.
It's a pretty widely accepted headcannon or at least decent inference to get to.
Btw great video I hope you do one on chapter 2 if you can get past the tears^^
It's possible, but not confirmed. There's no hard evidence to suggest that outside of the fact that korekiyo is stated to be the younger sibling putting him in the more vulnerable position. Personally I like to think that's the case because it helps redeem Korekiyos character for me at least a little, but I'd still rather not have had the unnecessary incest backstory in general. It feels completely pointless and did major damage to a character that would have otherwise been my favorite of the cast
@@windwaker407 i think it works. He's a guy who doesn't care about social norms to the point he's perfectly okay with killing people, because they're all subjective to him. If it grosses you out then that's the point.
I still really don't care about him tbh
if kirumi never died and the 2nd trial never happened, korekiyos incest subplot doesnt exist because i said so and im a kinnie
Aight. Fair enough.
My inner kirumi kinnie doesnt mind this end too
Yes I love Kirumi very much she should have survived and so is Kiyo why do I love all the characters that got executed in V3 like all of them
if trial 2 never happened according to me trial 1 3 and 4 never happened either and everyone is alive and happy, including the mastermind, and NONE of those weird romanticized abusive subplots in any of the games don’t exist because i said so. :)
chapter 1 and 4 doesnt exist and gonta and kaede never died becuase i love them
I honestly feel bad for Kork, I believe that he was abused by his sister and I personally love him. But I also understand why a lot of people dislike him.
I love him :(
I love him very much he deserves better
yes he deserved so much better but i can completely understand why people dislike him or are uncomfortable when they see him
He was most likely groomed by her so she could have a better life, but because of the fact that she made him rely on her he went crazy when she died.
@@ashleysalomon4349
There’s a head canon ore whatever
That in the pregame world
His sister loved danganropa (it’s why he joined in the first place) and was an actual good sister-
And danganropa used that against him
That and pregame tenko was just miu-
ngl kinda agree tho 😳 overall i feel like v3 is pretty underrated bro
I wouldn't say it's underrated
But yeah, Trial 3 is one of the best things about v3
I think V3 is the most popular game out of the three but i agree
@@ALN1ER
It is the most popular (but in my opinion it has such popularity only because it's the latest game in the series)
@@dianafox2175 that makes sense. Also everyone apparently loves kokichi so its also popular for that rat boi
@@ALN1ER
Well, Kokichi IS a very well-written character, to my mind. But then again, so was Komaeda. And both of them are so popular because of yaoi fanfics and doujins.
I myself am not a big fan of either of them, but I gotta give them props for being such beautifully written characters.
(By the way, when there was a survey about favourite characters of v3, Kokichi was the second (!) right after Saihara. Even though he didn't survive, he became very dear to everybody)
I actually already liked this trial, I mean, Kiyo is one of my favorite characters in Danganronpa and I think that his murders were truly complex, and as you said, if they didn’t have Kokichi they would’ve never discovered Angie’s body. I didn’t really mind the incest part because it gave the character some more depth in my opinion, and seeing that the person he loved the most also turned her back on him and actually helped vanishing his soul is really strong. I did notice Himiko’s development, and even I have to say that Tenko’s last words were a dead giveaway of her death, and I would’ve liked something more subtle over something that blunt, but it is honestly my favorite trial of V3, yes it might be underrated, but I also feel that a few trials and massively overrated. Honestly, trials 3-5 are my favorites of V3 🤷🏻♀️
I just had a thought - what if they hadn't discovered Angie's body? No body discovery -> no investigation -> no trial. This leads me to believe that Monokuma or the Mastermind would have opened the door, as otherwise their game couldn't progress. Thus Kokichi wasn't as necessary as is believed (for opening the door. Grape Boi was completely necessary for other things, such as putting a permanent end to the killing games)
@@raerohan4241 I def agree. I heavily doubt that the mastermind would leave Angie’s body there
You are so right! Angie was actually the smartest and, unknowingly, most logical one!
Reasons you mentioned:
- Always on the Protagonist Side (who is never wrong!)
- Right during the first trial
- Wasn't clouded by emotions and was right to suspect Himiko (she gets a lot of flag for that because she was a bad friend there. In a trial of life and death, friendships are nice but ultimately meaningless. They can make you blind and cause you to completely ignore a possibility.)
*POTENTIAL SPOILERS*
but also:
- Did the right thing when she destroyed the Flashlights (Her reasoning was not completely correct for it but she had the right idea)
- Not wanting to leave and, therefore, not giving Monokuma the power he possessed before with their constant reminders of "just kill one and get out, easy as that"
- Her Ultimate Student Council was... extreme but they had the right idea with forbidding their fellow students to leave their rooms at night! EVERY... SINGLE... MURDER Was either prepared OR put in action during the night (except the first one maybe)
2. Kirumi prepared her murder before night time but put it in action during night time
3. Korekiyo prepared his tricks during night time because the ones not in the Council didn't want to follow their rules
4. Miu worked on her VR thing day and night and had enough time and chance to talk to Monokuma and put her plan into action
5. Himiko brought Kaito the Crossbow during night time (at least I think it was night time)
Wait hol up wasnt shuichi wrong in c5?
Well besides the fact that the protags are sometimes in the wrong but you made a good point :)
@@kokichiouma197 Oh yeah! They were wrong a few times xD But, in the end, they *mostly* make the correct choice.
@@PonyPlays2014 oh okay understand what you mean now
Other fun Scrum Debate Facts:
Miu and Ryoma are the only characters not to be on the protagonists side, also Kirumi is the only person to be on both side half of the time and half of the time on the other side, Tsumugi is only on Shucihis side in the first trial, Tenko is always on Himikos Side, Korekiyo is only on the protags side when it's his trial etc
Another thing I've noticed is that Kiyo is kinda like Nagito (A crude mix of hope and despair.) Kiyo is a crude mix of logic and emotion.
He's very intelligent, he's able to do things and calculate. He plays a huge part in solving murders. He's also very emotional, only killing just to send friends to his sister.
I personally adore Chapter 3 from all the main games
I Only love 1th 3rd Danganronpa trial.
Phoenix gamer 1th
Chianos The Inevitable To me, I think the double murder thing is pretty cool, but I really hated the second game’s 3rd trial.
Blame the devs for how the 3rd trial went in the 2nd game. Fuyuhiko was supposed to die, but since it would affect Peko’s sacrifice. They allowed him to live so Peko didn’t die for nothing. And so his character development could happen.
Hiyoko just got tossed in, in a VERY lazy way. And it wasn’t deserved. And it also made everything Mikan did, just wasteful and made her look like she didn’t pull of her murders properly. The 3rd trial was just a huge slap in the face to Mikan and Hiyoko. There’s a huge reason why a lot of the fans think it should’ve just been Ibuki, or also replacing Hiyoko with Sonia to die.
RANKING CHAPTER 3s without much detail because you dont deserve a paragraph:
1st game has the best 3rd case
V3 is meh 3rd case with lotsa missed potential
The sequel's 3rd case is virtual diahrea
You raise some very great points, and while I don't like this trial much more than before i watched this, I believe that it's very impactful in developing Himiko's character. I still think it's the worst V3 trial, as it has a strange motive and has some missed potential, but I do think that this trial plays a large role in justifying Himiko's survival of the killing game. Just thought I might spout out an opinion or two.
I don't think it had a weird motive, at first he just wanted to kill one girl because he was simpin for his sister. But then he killed someone else when he already setup the seesaw. So he just used it because he already had it set up.
JAMS Dream Sorry weird nitpick but Tsumugi was still alive and also could’ve been targeted as Kiyos’s victim if given the chance :))
JAMS Dream Yea, I just meant that post trial 3, Kiyo said only Maki and a Miu weren’t worthy or whatever, but yea shmoogie wasn’t at the seance and therefore wasn’t really in any danger
JAMS Dream Yes omg I completely agree!! I’m not very articulated so seeing you completely summarize these jumble of words in my mind about Tenkos intentions with Himiko is super great so thank you!
@JAMS Dream Also of note, Tsumugi likely knew exactly what was going to happen with the seance and would never have put herself in such a position in the first place. She was the only person in the game who actively seemed to avoid being in the spotlight outside of the first case.
I can't lie , all of the games with the double murder can play out strange..but v3 came out very sad i knew what Tenko's moral was about, and how Angie had a relationship with himiko. But the more I look at it starts gets even more sad...
Damn this girl on your pfp look like she lost her head!
:3
@@painslut
_P l e a s e n o_
@@painslut I SWEAR TO GOD-
9:38 *For those who are confused*
Unlike many western cultures, in Japan people generally don’t call one-another by their first name. Doing so can be a mark of disrespect, unless you’re very close to the other person and in the right sort of casual environment, so you’ve read. But in this scene it shows how close Tenko & Himiko was.
(Mental note then: first names are best avoided.)
"I dont like my stories to be depressing"
They say as claire de lune plays in the background
who wants to talk about how good of a character kaede is?
Only protag with a real talent
Me, I love her and we were robbed :(
@@somethingsomething1763 we were robbed of a best girl
I really like her she's the best
Best girl. PERIOD.
chapter 3 in any of the main games kill at least one of my favourites
1- ishimaru & celestia
2- ibuki
3- angie, tenko and korekiyo
luckily for drv3 i had quite a few favs although none survived
Welcome to danganronpa where you're favorite character dies bit you still love even though half of the game makes you cry
there are people like you, and then there are people like me. 3/4 of my favorites survived, and the last guy killed himself in the fifth chapter. yes, i’m flexing.
@@usn_f_455 luckily for the first game i loved all of the survivors so that's the only time i can flex
@@luminaree7 SPOILERS
Mikan is alive along with the rest of the SDR2 cast minus Chiaki.
For me, it was...
(DR1) Celestia
(SDR2) Ibuki
(NDRv3) Tenko
forget trial 3 being underrated
himiko is underrated in general
AGREED
i don't like her, but i will put some respecc on your opinion
Best girl list
Kirumi: Saddest death unmatched
Kaede: was the protagonist
Mio: funniest character
Maki: pretty fucking cute
Tsumugi: a boring character turned FUCKING MASTERMIND
Angie: has a cult
Himiko: Airhead character
Well yes but actually sad
Tenko: funny type of stupid (if with backstory knowledge) but too violent
Himiko is in my top 3 favourites of the entire series. I thought her ultimate talent already made her really special and I loved her character development. Seeing her smile for the first time made me tear up.
The magical loli is too pure for all this shit
I *really* liked korekiyo before they revealed the sister thing. i thought his creepiness was a pretty unique part of his character. but then, seesaw go brrr
Dont make me tap the sign!
*Korekiyo's sister was sexually abusive and she literally abused her brother at his most impressionable stages of his life, causing him to believe it was love.*
Yeah, and fangirls keep trying to make people like him by repeating his backstory over and over. Like, I still don’t like him shut up
@@Crinkfries it isn't really that, the people who don't like him don't like him not for being overall creepy, but his incest thingy. the (you know) wasn't his fault, but people will mostly see it in an angle where it is, therefore making them have to rephrase it. (speech 100)
Is it weird that I still liked him even when he revealed the whole sister thing? Like when I got to that part I was just like "oh okay" and never really thought about it, but once I started reading about his backstory I felt kinda bad for him. And some people might say "oh you only liked him because you think he's hot" but I like both his character design and his personality. His creepiness and his love for humanity was just so interesting to me.
@@michelleliu4239 nah u good
I just noticed how visually opposite angie and tenko are, tenko has black hair and Angie has white haired tenko wears blue clothing while Angie wears yellow clothing yellow and blue are considered to be opposites or colors that go well with each other also Angie has blue eyes while tenko has green, green eyes and blue eyes are not very different, but there has been a rivalry with green eyes and blue eyes.
I feel Angie is Optimism and Tenko is Realism with a hint of Pessimism. She tries to bring Himiko back down to Earth. While Angie tries to feed into the desperation hope Himiko has. Both want to help for completely differ reasons
I came Into this video hating Himiko and trial three, however after watching this you changed my mind and showed that this case was perfect in terms of character development and that Himiko is one of the best characters in the DR series, thank you.
Still bugs me that Himiko never apologized for how she acted during trial 2; keeping the trick behind her magic trick a secret and being all around uncooperative.
Intestinal Clouds well we have to look into himiko’s character, magic is all she had at the time; she didn’t have friends much and was depressed so her way of coping and moving forward was her magic. She hid behind this wall of smoke and mirrors so being forced out of this, she retaliates. it’s like saying all she has is nothing but a trick and lies to hide herself from reality, which is true, but she didn’t want to see that , how could she? To face such a harsh reality and to realize she had nothing left is impossible especially in these circumstances.
Like her or not, Himiko has a good arc and she is a good charather.
@@Asoue1554 oh no I get it, I mean after she gets some development after chapter 3 she should have apologized for how she acted before
Intestinal Clouds she just lost everything she gained and her development was to show those emotions she was hiding behind that wall but that wall wasn’t torn down and she still had some faith in her magic, at that point it was the least of any of their worries and to apologize would be useless.
*SWIGGITY SWAGGER YOU'RE GETTING THE DAGGER*
angie was one of my favorite characters in v3 );
Distractionism
*Tatianna Voice* CHOICES
Same dudeee
Same
She is mine as well
sameee
Pfffff just kidding, cmon guys we all know that kirumi isn't in the rest of the class trials cuz she is too busy cleaning and making sweets for everyone and y'know being alive... Yeah that's the reason...
Ryoma was just there
And Ryoma was helping
yuh she rantaro kaede and ryoma were all just hanging out somewhere else and couldnt make it to the trial. dUH.
Everyone always called Himiko useless and she was always my favorite (Kirumi too 😭) but Himiko's character development was absolutely amazing and when she broke out crying after the trial just destroyed me
Himiko Yumeno is my favourite character in Danganronpa and it's nice to have a better understanding of her as a character.
Also yeah Korekiyo's motive for killing turns me off him, but otherwise I love him apart from that with his cool design and how he talks, especially when explaining things. If he wasn't crazy, he may have made it to best boy status only being rivaled by Kaito (DRV3 Spoilers Ahead)
Still can we talk about how dumb that most of the motives go unused? Like the reviving a student from the dead? I can already imagine how cool a mystery that would of been of how they came back, only to then have a shocking betrayal at the end that it was a random person given the appearance and memories of the dead person. That would have just added to the messed up implications of the killing game being real.
and tons of other motives went unused like the Card Key Kokichi stole (which is just such a unsignificant motive) and the first blood perk (which now that I think about it, how did no one get the big brain idea of stopping Kaede's death by saying she could still have her motive reward... I mean it would have made the trial anticlimactic and miss out on one of the most horrifying punishments, but still). The only motive used well was the Monopads with a video for each student, with the mystery of who had each others, Kokichi scheming to have a Monopad screening and the tragedies that these monopods contained. Guess in a way though the audience watching the killing game must have been disappointed as well.
i'm not too bothered they didn't go through the necronomicon arc, my problem is why didn't they try it? if it's fake it's fake, it's not gonna hurt anyone. It'd be better if you had to equivalent exchange it, you have to kill someone to make it work.
I originally liked Himiko because she reminded me of Gundham as their personas were both acting like a mage/sorcerer.
It makes me wonder if Gundham also has a depression sort of thing or another.
Like his favorite pet could have been tragically killed in a car accident or something.
It would have been fun to have a game where everybody die except this one culprit-
Dont make me tap the sign!
*Korekiyo's sister was sexually abusive and she literally abused her brother at his most impressionable stages of his life, causing him to believe it was love.*
If that wasn't taken away korekiyo would probably bring back ryoma
as someone who already knew who killed who before playing v3, transfer student from beyond the grave is one of the best in the game. everything actually made sense and it developed character well and it was immaculately emotional. i’m glad i decided to play the game despite already knowing the ending because trials like this (and not the “ooh who’s the killer 😳😳”) are probably my favourite ones
So glad someone else shares my headcanons for Himiko! I see a lot of myself in her, as someone who struggles with ADHD and depression, and I'm happy to see I'm not alone in this.
(how dare you play Clair De Lune, I can't handle this)
You know it's ironic Dr2 3rd trial ruined someone's character developpement ( *cough* *cough* Hiyoko ) while V3's third case created one of the best character developmment in the series.
I get that this comment is 2 years ago and your thoughts might’ve changed, but unless you dig deeper into the emotional remarks as mentioned in the video. The trial seems like a boring double murder which we see in the past 2 games.
Honestly Himiko’s reaction to Tenkos death is one of the most heart wrenching things in the series. She truly did care about her, but didn’t express that until it was too late.
35 people have already liked the video, and it hasn’t even come out yet
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And so, we wait
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@@warcedric2263 i don't care if it's yo 69th like come to me if it's the 53'rd or the 413'th like
@@CaribouGutSludge sorry, just that 69 is a meme number
Also, I can kinda understand 53, but why 413?
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@@warcedric2263 it's a homestuck thing
I hope one day we will get a video about Akane Owari being criminally underrated
Definitely a video I would also like to make
Well if that happened then maybe my opinion on Akane (I have her as one of my least favourite characters in Danganronpa, with her feeling too similar to Aoi, but feeling a lot more idiotic to the point of irritating, having a plot convenient gut and has the most annoying crying sound effects I have ever heard. Shame too since from what I've heard, she was meant to be the antagonist and honestly I feel her role would have been perfect for that with some of those cool sprites).
and yeah otherwise I more meh on Sonia if you were wondering. She just exists but doesn't annoy me.
I love Sonia a lot (and I mean a LOT) but I feel like she should’ve died in ch3 in Hiyoko’s place. It would’ve given Hiyoko an ACTUAL CHARACTER ARC like she DESERVES, and it would’ve given Kazuichi some much needed character development (+ it would still be different to Tenko’s death since this time the “stalker” lives and the “senpai” dies)
really? i think she should have died instead of Hiyoko. She adds nothing and is just a worse version of Aoi.
@@narbeep8313 yeah but if that happened then gundam's execution would have a lot less of an impact.
One thing I would like to bring up that I thought of while watching this video
You mention a big theme of the game, and this chapter in particular, is the concept of logic vs. emotions, and I think that another notable way this applies is with Korekiyo himself and his crimes.
Logic: When beginning the set up to his very elaborate plan, he is interrupted by the logic oriented Angie, who he has to swiftly kill off in a rather crude way, especially for this series and who he as a person is. But with this he crafts together a plan to cover up his crime in a very enigmatic locked room mystery to erase nearly all evidence of his involvement, save for one brief oversight with the tape. And in this locked room we even see him attempt to toy with the emotions of the others, specifically the detective and massive assets to the trial, Shuichi, by using Kaede specifically to pierce with his katana and lock the room with. He eventually mentions in the trial that Monokuma states it is only the murderer of Angie that will be punished, and because save for one small oversight, and him not anticipating the lock picking skills of Kokichi, he creates a scenario where he is nearly able to get away with things had that just been it. However,
Emotions: In his drive to fulfill his goal of sending 100 friends to his sister, Korekiyo decides that even after his murder of Angie, which would've been near impossible to pin specifically on him, he can't waste the plan he had already set up, going against logical reasoning. And so he urges the group to move into those empty rooms and perform the seance he had planned for and the death trap he had initiated so he could murder another, one that was premeditated, and one he had a planned victim of, that being a female friend for his sister. And the victim just so happens to be the emotion oriented Tenko. Had his urges and desires not driven him to do this, he could've gotten away, but his emotion took over his logic then and there.
Even in the trial he exhibits both. Towards the beginning he leans towards logic more, ironically towards his more emotion driven kill. It is quickly figured out that he was behind Tenko's murder, but he is able to divert people to his involvement for a time, use reasoning that could point away, mess with Himiko in particular to complicate things, and, even once he is found out, uses the fact that only the murderer of Angie will be punished to his favor. As they don't quite know it was him who killed her, he is able to continue using logic to attempt to win the trial and escape. But once his involvement with Angie's murder becomes clear, he finally starts breaking down, hard, and his emotions finally take full front in this time. Where as he worked more with logic at the beginning of the trial, now it was emotions that was the clear victor. We learn his true emotional motives, and we see his logical shell crack. Korekiyo has a huge duality here, and it ultimately is what backfires on him and seals his fate. And it shows he can't operate solely on logic like he would like to as his hidden emotions interfere.
There's likely more to it but i found it very fascinating to consider while watching.
Lady Sonia is a great character, she is funny, has an interesting story and she is one of the most inteligent danganronpa characters, but the video was really good except for the part, I would say it was really enjoyable and fun
"Everything? But I did some horrible things on that camera!"
"You ... sure did."
I may have not quoted this exactly so apologies.
@@purplecow3000 The virgin line was the best.
@@ILikeMarioVA-11HALL-A You forgot this one "If you were penetrated by something that big and thick, you would die instantly!" - Sonia Nevermind
“jesus! shit! you son of a bitch!”
- Sonia Nevermind
ah a fellow kazuichi kinnie
Well I certainly wasn't expecting a yanderedev joke in here.
Well played.
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And the best thing about that is that Miu actually called him as the killer fairly early on, if I rememeber correctly.
she also guessed the cleaning lady was the murderer in chap. 2
Yes, I totally agree with you. From the start, I have loved Himiko and never understood why everyone hated her so much. Maybe it's because they would have preferred someone else live, such as Kokichi (because he seems to be the fan fav even though there are many better characters, but let's not get into that right now) or Gonta, and they shrug her off as boring even though that couldn't be further from the truth. She had some of the best development in the franchise, in my opinion, and this video helped me believe that even more. Her development also felt the most real to me, since I have an older sister who acts a lot like Himiko due to depression, and I just felt closer to her because of that. It's realistic.
That, plus her development wasn't just the author blaming all her shitty actions on a crappy past life and calling it good, like many characters. It actually showed her moving on and being a better her overall. Yet they brush off her development and that third trial just because Korekiyo had some weird incest going on...I thought the fandom would be smarter about this... *smh noises*
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TL;DR - I agree with you 100%
(That being said, Himiko and Akane are extremely underrated characters who got great development and people still think they're boring, so I don't know with this fandom anymore, lmao. Unless their batshit crazy, nobody gives a hell, apparently...)
Thank you for acknowledging the logical side of Angie's character. It became clear to me how logical she was early in chapter 3 when she was telling the gang just how irrational and ridiculous it is to try to constantly control everything. All of her quirky antics and spiritual motives seemed to distract everyone to that side of her.
And distractions seemed to the big hangup for a lot DR fan especially in regard to chapter 3 (best in game). To be fair tho there are a lot of distractions here.
When diving into Korekiyo as a person i think we can explain his incestious relationship as nothing more then schizophrenia, and i'm not using this terms for no reason.
Schizophrenia:a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behaviour, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation.
Schizophrenia for what i know is seperated into 3 major type of symptom changing from one individue to another:
-Positive symptoms wich classifies hallucination and dementia that can take many form as well as excentric through and mannerism , in Shinguji's case hallucinations and dementia make him see and firmly believed that her sisters still exist as a coping mechanism over her death. For the excentric part i don't think i have to explain between is through on beauty of the dark said of humanity and his weird demenors that charecterise him.
-negativs symptom wich caused pore and growing difficulty in social and emotional interaction, most of the time causing apathy and an isolation to a very few relationship, in this case Korekiyo only relation was her sisters wich he spend all days with at the hospital and his lack of social skill by his weird deminors and total apathy when talking about admiring to see the despair of other, being openly sexual without any reaction or simply be able to kill without remorse.
-Dissociative symptoms wich his a disorganization of the way you think, speak, feel and your body reaction. This can caused in some cases irrational or illogical speech especially under pression where subject lose easily nervs and most importantly obsessional and idealisational through.
So there you have it: Korekiyo is delusional over his sister. His delusion make him fantasise by coping mecanism a reality where he can stay in his comfort zone with only one relationship where he lived the more pure and ideal love with his sisters (People saying him is a creep cause acting like she's still alive) as well as embrassing sexuality (especially bondage) as he see is a total pure beauty (he also belive a ritual using rope is what bring her back explaining his obsession with ropes). This also explain his obsession with human beauty in even the darkest of act and anthropology wich he explain during his free time were both given to him by his sisters, to embrace dark beauty he commited murder by love. A darkest and romantic twisted form of beauty.
By doing this Korekiyo reject any form of logic by embrasing delusion and reject any form of real emotion like grief by staying in his comfortable lie that this relationship and happiness bring him. But in his mind this is the real logic and emotional way of thinking
His execution have him being punish by his real sister ghost, of course she would if she wasn't crazy like her brother. She implated those complicated feeling in Korekiyo mind but his obsession was what bring him to do such horrible and twisted things. In first the scene of reunion is representing to ne idelic only to be broke in realisation and terror by Monokuma and the music when what begin by joy of dying in delusion end with pleeding for his afterlife in realisation and terror of what is really happening.
And there you have my through on the all incest things, i'm french so sorry for the many spelling error. Still hope my point of view have been interesting to at least for one of you and I wish you to have a good day! ^//^
this is good, i never assumed he was schizophrenic, just normal delusional, but when you put it like that i agree. Also it's heavily implied that his sister used him as a way of vicariously exploring the world as she couldn't due to her disease, that including... different kinds of exploration, so you can add that he's probably abused by his sister as well, shown by how controlling his second personality is.
I absolutely love Himiko
She's my favorite V3 Character
My 2nd is Tenko
I don't really get the Himiko x Tenko hate
They would make such an amazing couple
First we have Tenko:
Tenko knows how to express herself. She knows that emotions are important for you to live a healthy life. She sees how Himiko isn't able to express herself well enough. (I'll also mention that Tenko said she always wanted to be a magical girl which plays a part in her feelings for Himiko I guess). She's literally the only one who supports himiko at all because she either had the same problems and knows the aftermath of it or she just knows something is up.
She wants to show Himiko what all these Emotions feel like. And she would've done such an amazing job. Honestly, after she died I was so mad. Because I felt like Himiko and Tenko could finally get really close. I felt like Tenko finally reached out to Himiko. And she literally did. After Tenko died Himiko was so much more "alive".
Now for Himiko:
I wouldn't say Himiko is "depressed". It could be, I just don't believe so. I think Himiko has a form of Autism that won't let her experience emotions as well as others. Personally, my brothers have autism. They just have a form of autism that let's you experience anger more than other emotions. It's rare I see them really excited, happy or sad. They're just extremely mad or not so mad. Which was the same with Himiko. She was either extremely tired. Or less tired than usual. That is until Tenko showed her. Or at least she tried her best. Of course it doesn't work right away. If that was the case it would've been so boring. But in Chapter 3 she finally reached out to her. She got her moving forward to better herself. And I was so happy about that. I know DR is all about despair, yes yes. But cmon. Did this really have to happen? Did they only do that for the "despair effect"?. Himiko, and allot of people who probably got inspired by this, didn't deserve this. Tenko is a huge emotional support character for Himiko (and me). Himiko and Tenko would make an amazing couple because it would be an extremely healthy relationship.
Himiko was such a fkin punching bag through all of this.
Himikos experience made me so sad.
She wanted to make everyone happy by performing a show.
Someone died during her show.
Himiko wanted to experience true happiness through religion. Angie died. Himiko got framed for murder two times. A murder of her probably best friend. Of course she didn't know how to fu***ng react. Of course she didn't know how to refuse. Everyone has probably been in a situation where you have been accused of wrong doings but even tho it wasn't your fault you still didn't know how to refuse and took the blame. Everyone has probably been there at least once. Give her a fu**ing break ffs. Give her the happiness she deserves. This girl has been through so much more than the other characters. And yet almost everyone hates on her.
Thanks for reading
I never really hated or liked himiko, but this video really made me view her in better light.
I think the reason people don't like this trial is simple, they just care about the mystery and the motive, and that's fine I guess those are interesting parts of Danganronpa, but I feel like people play Danganronpa for the wrong reasons, when you have no empathy for the characters everything else loses meaning.
Yes
But it's still good to have a really smart murder case
Oh and if you want a recommendation of death game with well written characters, my advice is to enter the Kimi Ga Shine/Your Turn To Die fandom (free games playable on browser, translated by vgperson) ^^
Exactly. Look at, for instance, CinnamonToastKen's playthrough of the series. At best, he's there for the murder mystery, and at worst, he doesn't even like that aspect and is just playing it for the views. Either way, he completely ignores the characters and emotional impact, and it shows in his videos.
People dont like this trial because its missed opportunity, One they could have revived someone and Two they could have had different murderers and then had the rest of the game with one of the characters having killed someone. Would have been more interesting.
It was certainly an interesting choice to have Korekiyo be more of a creative murderer than a smart murderer, but at the same time I feel that a good mystery is an important part of Danganronpa. I still like this chapter because of the character moments and the killer being so insane, but with Danganronpa tending to drag on a bit long and the killer being so obvious, it's really hard to really stay invested.
Korekiyo had been mentally abused by his sister. His sister manipulated him into loving her in that sick way. Since she was diagnosed with a sickness, it could've been the cruel idea of "you aren't leaving me." So she purposefully made it a goal to have him depend on her and never think of the idea of leaving her. When she did the mark had been planted and Korekiyo was unable to move on from her death.
Korekiyo would have grieved for a long time if he WASN'T mentally abused by her. It probably would've been the same motive, but the underlying love of a older brother who couldn't have taken the idea of his sister taken away from him. It would have shown a side of Korekiyo I wish the creators had given him. Someone who cares too much. Because he did. Even without the manipulation, having your younger sister in the hospital her whole life, and you unable to help her, just try to stay and spend your time with her as much as you can because you know that she can't make friends, she can't experience schools and classmates like you can.
The reason Korekiyo was into incest, was because his sister abused him into submission.
I hope this changes at least your dislike for Korekiyo a little bit. It probably didn't make sense, but I see Korekiyo in a glorious light. I respect your opinion of not liking him. But due to my overthinking trait I found myself loving him greatly.
@Rebecca Esack exactly. He is the best person ever
YES!!!!!!!! THAT 'S EXACTLY WHAT- YES!!
That doesn’t excuse the fact that how he fucking killed 100 people
I may feel bad for Korekiyo but I still hate him
Man's a victim himself even if he's a serial killer(although that isn't true, he still believes it to be and is completely okay with it and continues his killing.), there's always a reason, some sort of origin of malice that infects the surroundings, in this case that was his sister, a selfish desire to feel loved due to an illness she had. That grew into malice that she spread into Kiyo, where he then became a murderer. I'm sure that since he only kills wonderful and good people(who are female), there are families and friend groups that have lost their pillar of support, the friend or family member they can rely on because of one girl who failed fate and was destined for death alone. Perhaps some of them even adopted psychopathic tendencies themselves, imagine hundreds of Komaeda's and Fukawa's.
I thought I was the only one who hated how boring sonia was. It'd be great if you did an analysis on her!
She had some fun lines, and the personality of a Disney princess if Disney princesses were for a bit older audience
But I admit that she wasn't the most intelligent and interesting character ever
@@painslut her swearing was so funny
Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking Himiko was a great character.
Through my play through of trial 3, i cried so hard as I grew attracted to Angie and Tenko and jumpstart my attachment to wards Himiko and her development
Ummmm EVERY 3rd trial is underrated.
Literally none of the fans give Celeste, Mikan and Korekiyo any credit for how smart they were and how well they pulled it off. Each of these trials gave off a really good plot twists and they really helped continue the story, and helped the other characters develop better.
The reason why they’re the underrated (and especially hated) trials is because the killers of each one kill fan favourites off and the fanbase get’s really salty about it.
They’re very unique trials that the fanbase gives barely any credit for. So thanks for making a video about this trial.
I’d love it if you made one for Mikan’s trial as well. And maybe also dive into Mikan’s backround. Her life and childhood....is so messed up....But I blame the writers for how awful the trial went down. Fuyuhiko was supposed to die and the developers just threw in Hiyoko last minute. So it was just a sloppy way of how it went.
Nononono, people like 1s 3rd trial because its the best, 2s 3rd case is just terrible, and v3s 3rd chapter is a meme dump.
@@djsilly9964 I actually thought the first third trial and chapter three of the first game to be boring as a whole, but--
Sorry but the third trial of the first game is definitely the weakest since you can guess pretty much everything as soon as it happens because of how odd Celeste's behavior was whereas in Danganronpa 2, well with the investigation it becomes pretty obvious but it's not as easy. For the plan itself, Kyo had definitely the best one for both murders and Celeste the weakest one. It wasn't so much as to guess who the culprit was in her trial, but to dismantle everything to go to her.
@@eric7798 You opinion is very true but mostly the main reason Celeste got cought was because hufumi said the casts last names instead of the first names. The plot twist in the 1st games chapter 3 was very surprising. The 2nd games 3rd trial is sloppy because hiyoko died with out figuring the murder weapon just so fuyuhikyo could get character development. And the 3rd games 3rd trial is actually cool. No one would have expected a murder to take place while figuring out a murder all ready. Even though it was kinda obvious it was kiyo it was still fun to hear his motives (the fandom did him dirty) And how he did it.
Oliver7 Maunoury yeah sure, she got herself caught and it wasn’t as organized. But she cause so much chaos and confusion.
Like her plan was fucking smart as hell. And no one gives any 3rd case killers and trials any credit at all.
Like imagine doing what celeste did but in real life. It’s genius, and real life investigators would literally FLOP trying to solve them.
Kirumi's plan was so fucking brilliant, nobody can change my mind, it would have the perfect crime if the scrap of cloth didn't fall into the pool
I thought the third trial was memorable because of the see saw
See saw see saw
I was ready to go into this being like "mhehe seesaw" but im halfway through and this video already made me cry omg wonderful analysis on this
If you want good media representation of autism, I feel like MLP did it wonderfully with Maud Pie. Sure, she's still a bit out there, but she's one of the most likeable characters in the show imo. But yeah, I agree, there needs to be way more actually good representation of stuff like this.
Most people: S E E S A W E F F E C T
Some people: S I S T E R E F F E C T
Me: C E A S E S T E R E F F E C T
*S E E S T A R E F F E C T*
@@cressychess2622 S E A S T A R E F F E C T
*S A W Y O U V E N T E F F E C T*
Now we just need a video about Ryoma, my precious tennis baby (I'm never saying that again, I cringed xD) gets so swept under the rug it's honestly low-key depressing
I really, really, REALLY want to do that video but given I broke down in normal conditions after finishing the chapter, I have no idea what the hell it'd do under COVID-19 restrictions
He's one of my fave V3 characters. I was so sad and upset he died that early in the game
I'm honestly so glad I'm not the only person who loves Himiko and trial 3, people talk bad about it all the time but it's one of my favorites of V3
I actually liked Korekiyo, I even still liked him after he murdered 2 girls, even his motive ain’t toooo bad, but ugh the incest really just turned me off. I get that it’s SUPPOSED to make you uncomfortable, but I still kinda hate it :/
Dont make me tap the sign!
*Korekiyo's sister was sexually abusive and she literally abused her brother at his most impressionable stages of his life, causing him to believe it was love.*
@@korkshingucci9632 That doesn't justify murdering not just Tenko and Angie, but also nearly 100 innocent women. And the abuse backstory is not confirmed, its just a theory, so please stop acting as if its absolute fact.
@@hollycrystalworth7965 Ah yes, i too have started a literal romantic relationship with my sick sister whom is way older than me on purpose when i was very young, cause everyone knows that young chlildren are not impressionable and know exactly what sex and romance are supposed to be like! /sarcasm, if you havent fucking picked up.
I also wondered why he would pick up anthropology if his sister wasnt a blatant fucking role-model for him. And the fact tha the did seances to contact her, and LITERALLY BY HIS WORDS, "WENT MAD" WHEN SHE DIED, I wonder why he wouldnt go apeshit and full of trauma and decide to kill for something he considered to be a noble cause!
@@korkshingucci9632 Yes, I do believe he was abused by his sister, anyone who thinks that he’s just gross and likes incest needs to get out of my sight. BUT that still doesn’t change the fact that when that part happened I wanted to just skip the whole trial, and it made sorta just stare at the screen thinking “What the.. what the fuck am I watching.”
This video made me remember that I used to have a really shallow view of most characters in DR, particularly Tenko back when the game first came out and I feel glad that all changed. Back when I went through the Big DR binge in mid 2019 where I went through everything (the games, light novels, manga and even some fanfics) is when I got a newfound appreciation for V3’s story and characters as a whole, and this video exemplifies some of the things that were going through my mind while I was replaying chapter 3.
Also V3 really had to do it to me huh? Killing best boy and girl in chapter 2.
Ryoma and Kirumi deserved better.
Wow, just wow.
For the anniversary, i've been getting back into the series and when i saw this recommended the first time i thought "Really?" And expected satire at most (Akin to Nuc's videos if you get what i mean.) However this was such a beautifully crafted essay that gave me a whole new perspective on not just this trail but side characters who are kind of underrated. I never would've guessed the logic vs emotion theme nor Himiko possibly having depression or any other mental illness but i now can see it makes sense. I loved how you didn't even skip Kiyo as being a meme killer (Though at first the seesaw joke is funny). Despite Kiyo not being perfect, he wasn't boring nor obviously straightforward as you mentioned. I was surprised that i didn't notice how indeed creative the killings were which i think fits his character being that he's a serial killer. And though predictable, the fact that he's predictable is kinda refreshing in murder mysteries/DR, it makes him flawed, a human teen making mistakes as well. Though i agree it would've been better he had DID than what was given.
Himiko's character arc here was indeed written well and one of the strongest, With Kokichi being the one to remind her making him balanced as well. The mini inclusion of the topic of grief although i haven't experienced did surprised me and being able to tie DRV3 to Coco's idea of remembering the memories you made really surprised me. I also loved how you talked bout now people dismiss analyzing deeply as reading too much into things as it's something i feel bullied for by my peers in school. Personally i love it when stories have a deeper meaning and analyzed so it made me feel like i wasn't being made fun of for thinking that way.
Basically I'm saying you did do your job cause you did change my opinion on this trial (not the best but still good) and i think it was one of the best video essays about Danganronpa
P.s I love your -sona design, purple and pink looks good together and you ROCK the purple lips
Gotta admit, I was so so so soooo scared this would be another April fools, but thank you SO MUCH for putting 3-3 in the limelight that it deserves!
i just gotta say this one thing: i wish the necronomicon motive had actually been used, because i was really really interested to see what happened
Angie was always correct and that’s what gets me so mad, nobody took her seriously cuz she was always saying atua this atua that, if she would’ve said *I* think we should crush the flashback lights etc, more ppl would’ve listened.
Me accidentally realizing all of my favorite characters are the ones that repress their emotions because I didn't notice I related to them until later lol
I love himiko so much, and I didn't even know why until now.
My gf is playing through DRV3 constantly and I noticed Himiko's development after the third trial and I loved it, and I think that helps because I had seen the ending before watching the game. But this really really helped me understand why I adored Tenko and keep just mentioning how different Himiko is as a character pre and post chapter 3. Also thinking about her Free Time Events she probably has abandonment issues since the one person she looked up to basically abandoned her and she spends the entirety of her FTEs trying to tell herself he's coming back for her, so I think there might be something to say for how the next two people having no explicit way of coming back was something that broke through that negative coping mechanism as well.
Also I think the Necronomicon being the motive and being destroyed immediately after the trial might link into that coping mechanism? And maybe also taunting Korekiyo's similar horrible way of dealing with grief?
Honestly I love How do you added adhd in there because honestly people only think of it as being distracted and energetic all the time when it’s really not?? I think of it like your emotions Get so much more heightened. Because I really hate how people treat adhd like A damn personality. And you’re not and I just it feels good to have someone actually understand what it is
Yes! Not to mention, secondary depression is a big part of adhd, and it kicks in due to a lack of proper stimulation. I related heavily to certain parts of Himiko, because it really seemed everything was a pain to her not just bc of depression- but a lack of motivation caused by being in a closed environment that is high stress with little interest-based stimulation. That's just my theory anyways, lol
I agree. ADHD is really way worse than people think it is
exactly!!!! we do get very energetic and enthusiastic sometimes, yes, but thats also accompanied by emotional lows, tired nearly all the yime from trying so hard to function in a world not made for us, and people who have adhd are very likely to have or develop depression, anxiety, or sone other condition. for me atleast, i experience much more tiredness than enthusiasm
@@thefluffyaj4119 It's the same for me! I can be so hard sometimes that I cry from frustration. Like when I do schoolwork I solve one problem and my brain is like: "I'm gonna stop you right there m8"
i have adhd but i thought it was just being hyper and unfocused. lately I've been realizing that I'm really sensitive and emotional and when I get excited I do weird things and scream and stuff- is that um.. are those symptoms of adhd? (I'm diagnosed btw)
I’m pretty sure Kiyo’s sister was abusive and he developed a Stockholm Syndrome for her
She was incredibly abusive. But this fandom loves to jump to conclusions.
except haiji towa jump to conclusions with him all you want hes gross
Star Loves SU JJBA BFDI & Danganronpa est. 2003
I actually like Haiji 😔
Ew haiji
Star Loves SU JJBA BFDI & Danganronpa est. 2003 haiji should’ve be aborted
Haiji is cool.
I like his jacket.
You are amazing. I never even thought about the trial that way before. While it is by no means my favorite trial, I do agree with many of your points. They have considerably brought my opinion of this chapter up. Thank you!
God Tenko, Angie, and Himiko is basically the female version of kaito, kokichi, and shuichis relationship
Hitting me with that Clair de lune is illegal man
I’m late but I thought of something;
Angie was the Ultimate Artist, Art is a form of expression often used to express EMOTION,
Tenko was the Ultimate Aikido Master, and, I don’t know aikido but, I assume they use LOGICal thinking to combat opponents.
I feel like Tenko did a lot more to help Himiko then Angie did.
Like how Tenko taught Himiko to express her feelings and to show how to care
And how Angie... she really only gave Atua that was pretty much just false hope..
V3 is my fave game, and it has my all time favourite cast because I love how they tie into each other and how all characters left a impact in the story itself and felt fleshed out on it, even if analysing them better makes their actions make more sense.
Their backgrounds can sound silly at first but as you play more everything makes sense, and the weird ftes make the characterization of the characters and their contradictions(like Tenko being sensitive to pain despite being a fighter) feel very unique and leave a lot up for interpretation, something that I love a lot.
I love how ch3 can have every main character from it(Tenko, Himiko, Angie, Korekiyo) be interpreted as foils for each other in different senses, with Himiko and Tenko being the ones that are most obviously alike(having masters that are their most important mentors, believing everything these masters said, low social skills, taking stuff too literally, being gullible...), but other comparisons drawing in if you think about it(Tenko and Angie both being extremely religious, with Tenko coming from a buddhist temple being usually forgotten here and her buddhism and self improvement seeking influences her a lot as well. Angie and Himiko are escapists and comfort seekers and tend to stay in their comfort zones and rarely explore new things. Tenko and Korekiyo prefer to face reality and both believe in afterlife, even if they show it in opposite ways, with Korekiyo valuing it more than the current life while Tenko sees the current life as the most important thing... Himiko and Korekiyo both having noticeable, 'antiquated' speech patterns in japanese...)
And it's easy to read most of them as neurodivergent as well (I'm autistic/have ADHD, and personally headcanon Korekiyo, Himiko and Tenko as autistic, and the latter two and Angie having ADHD as well), and while Korekiyo makes me uncomfortable(for many reasons, especially that trial, but a huge one is because the whole seance felt offensive to my religion bc they are extremely important in mine) he's also quite deeper than he looks and I believe that the 4 of them could have made interesting friends if they managed to sort their differences out, and help each other heal. They all also tie incredibly well with Monodam, him being overlooked by his siblings and having all his efforts to try and bring others together failing and all.
I loved the whole student council subplot, and wish that it had lasted a while longer, maybe people would value these characters more if this had been like... Chapter 4 instead...
Tenko, upon analysis, ended up being my fave character ever (and I even made an bigger analysis on her and why I think she is autistic a while ago) and it sucks when I see people simply reading her as 'lesbian' or 'violent man hater' and thinking she isn't a deep character, when most of that stems from translation differences(the degenerate males line itself being a bad translation of her pun), with her treating everyone respectfully and trusting men many times(like going to ask Shuichi for help but most importantly, trusting Korekiyo back at the seance), so her 'men hater' part is actually one of the main contradictions in her character.
Anyways I love this analysis and I'm sad that the majority of these characters and this chapter themes get overlooked, ignored, or are over hated. Tenko doesn't deserve an entire hate subreddit :<
Edit: When I say she doesn't hate men I'm not saying she feels attracted to them, I just think she can be a great and supportive friend to them bc I'd love seeing her form a friendship with Shuichi
as someone who adores the fact that tenko is a lesbian, it frustrates me to no end that she's always just REDUCED to being a lesbian and hating men, even by the people who claim to love her
@@DetectiveNyx yeah! I love her being a lesbian and all but it feels so tiresome seing her get reduced to that all the time and hearing so many people say she's unable to ever be friendly to a man or even that she'd kill the guys when her anti-killing stance is one of the strongest things about her character... There's just so much more to her than these two traits(and than liking Himiko as well) and I feel really sad when I see she being almost always reduced to these two...
Notice how all of the mom friends die before chapter 3 ends
Taka, Mahiru, and Kirumi, we will remember you
miu's the mom friend of v3?
I've always really loved this chapter and the trial a lot because it was one that really emotionally affected me because Angie is my favorite danganropa character and I also love Tenko and Himiko. In the trial you can hear how hurt Himiko is and how full of regret she is and it always makes me want to cry hearing how sad she is and especially at the end when she cries. It was really nice to see himiko express herself about how she feels unlike the other chapters even though I hate Kiyo a lot I thought the seesaw was really impressive and this trial is one of my favorites. Amazing video
I honestly can't tell you how happy I am to see someone actually liking Himiko. I didn't care too much for the third trial since mystery wise it's kinda overshadowed by the others in V3, but it's undoubtedly an important step for (imo) best girl. Also, about the whole autism thing, I sure wouldn't be surprised if there's a heck-ton more characters out there who just aren't confirmed as such (speaking from experience).
THANK YOUUU for some reason a lot of people hate this trial and I didn’t know why I love it so much
i rarely comment on videos, or log into my actual yt account to say something; but wow, aeris, i always find myself coming back to this video!
playing through ndrv3, i found myself in love with the 3rd chapter for seemingly no reason other than my intuition; before chapter 4 absolutely destroyed me and now i cannot bear to finish the game 😄☝🏻
the foils of these two characters, tenko and angie, makes so much sense. with the context of your kokichi/celestia/angie video series, some of my research, and reading fanfic, everything really clicks!
as someone who loves to read into things or analyze topics deeply - *cough me trying to figure out my identity* - exploring the hidden gem of this chapter and how it directly ties into the story and himiko’s arc / survival, is fawking exceptional. your analysis of this chapter is 5 out of 5 stars 😼🖊
i completely agree with how ‘transfer student from beyond the grave` teaches the lesson of “you don’t know what you have until it’s gone.”
seeing how himiko and other characters throughout danganronpa deal, confront and eventually overcome the grief experienced to change is wonderful. for instance, fuyuhiko willingly betters himself by trying to be more open; aoi learns eventually that her fear of being alone is okay, as the memory of the fallen are always with you; even if they’re not physically there. akane grows subtly by not taking people or food for granted, and ensures this by trusting in the future.
shuichi develops himself by discovering the truth, regardless if it hurts him emotionally or not, to keep kaede’s wish alive. this in turn redeems himself as a character because he overcomes this fear ever since solving the one case that led to his detective talent.
as someone who is obsessed with MBTI types, ennegram types, love attachment styles, psychology, sociology, astrology, learning about mental illness and how our childhood influences pretty much everything in our future… it’s an aspect of the butterfly effect.
the importance of stories, and why people love fiction, it’s all to learn something - whether that’s about ourselves, the environment around us, how immoral the world can be; stories teaches us a lifelong lesson.
we dig so deeply into the iceberg as escapism because we are interested in a story and care about the meaning of it is. we want to immerse ourselves in the fantasy of the dimension in order to sympathize with the characters, see how we would react, etc.
we relate to some degree of how these characters behave, the storyline overall, their role and the dialogue. i dislike kokichi, however i am able to see the other side of why he’s the way he is. although miu is a comfort character for me, kokichi acted [whether that’s good or bad - up for audience to decide] to the situation. in the end, it was either her or him, and he chose to value his life. whether one thinks it’s justifiable or not, these stories are based off of us… of humanity.
we come back running to these comforts of ours because with time, we are able to take the information learned and processed from games, books, movies, etc. to apply it to ourselves. to apply it to our world, instead of the fictional one we desire to be in.
we see characters hit rock bottom and then go on a beautiful arc, such as himiko and shuichi, which inspire us to keep going… even if we don’t want to. however, our favorite characters did, we become determined to push through. my little gemini heart won’t hesitate to say that due to stories, the characters and the themes of these pieces give us here a purpose.
although these messages are corny, we subversively are taught this to learn that we have a purpose. gen z grew up practically drowning in the media thats led us to speak our minds, to express our emotions; to try and give ourselves a choice on how we move forward.
the way you explained this video aeris, it’s mesmerizing in a way that it’s kinda hard for me to describe…?
i apologize for this being so long to anyone who stumbles upon this comment, but this video has given me a lot of insight to write my own drv3 au, heavily inspired by your video.
i’ve rewritten this comment a couple of times, so here are my final words : i want to thank you for making this video.
honestly, all of the dangantubers and their videos remind me of how much this series is cherished, as just like the characters, this piece of fiction is installed in a very special place in our hearts… for the memory of it all, to keep the legacy of this story alive.
like shuichi said, fiction can have an impact on our lives, for better or for worse. and wow, how blue haired raspberry detective 2.0 was right.
Analysis like this makes me want to be better at conveying how I feel about media. I have a lot of unpopular opinions, like liking Hiyoko or disliking the fifth chapter in 2 and V3, or hating the entire anime, but I always shrink when confronted about these things because I don't wanna argue or start stuff. I'm worried I won't be able to get others to understand me and just make an ass of myself. But videos like these inspire me to aspire to being better.
I like how they made the culprit feel like a side part of all of this and the real trial being about himiko’s development. This really changed my view on the trial (which was still already good but it brought out a side I didn’t see in my play through)
7:10
Reminds me of
"There's no heterosexual explanation for this"
"There really isnt"
Yeah, it would be really devastating to have a character die the chapter after they've gone through some development....
first off, let me say that this is a great video. Im glad someone has finally come to the defense of this trial. Secondly, I think korekiyos motivation wanst just sister fucking. I think part of him knew that his plan would fail, especially after he killed angie. He talked greatly about wanting good to people to be friends with his sister. This is shown after the trial, when he mentions that both tenko and himeko would be equal sacrifices, as he truly believes them to be nice people. He openlly saysthat maki and miu arent worthy for his sister. Plus, in the trial he brings up evidence and points that seem to lead towards him being the culprit. He fully embraces death at the end of the rial, implying its not just his desire to be with his siter, but also his desire to send good people to his sister.
I know thats kinda a long paragraph, but kiyo is my favorite charcter of all of danganronpa, so i feel a bit of a need to defend him.
THANK YOU. Chapter 3 of v3 is among my favorites in the franchise, the characters are memorable in it and the case itself was very fun. Personally I have no issue with the whole incest thing, I even like that twist.
Really wanted to show this video to a friend who can't stand Himiko at all in order to change his mind even for a little bit. Sadly, Sonia is one of his favorite characters, so I doubt that will go well. Great video nonetheless.
nonbinary rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!
also this was a really intriguing analysis, awesome job!!!
nonbinary rights!!!
@@DetectiveNyx nonbinary rights woooo!!!! Im actually enby myself :)
Thank you for doing Angie justice