If Leia activated a legion of lightsabers, no, she wouldn't "be on fire" per say, but the infrared radiation would be enough to vaporize her, like the Sun does to incoming space rocks and comets! Oh and while Rey would have more time on the island, relatively speaking, if she jumped to hyperspace to get back to the resistance, more time (again, relatively) would pass for the Resistance and they might have run our of fuel by the time she arrived. All depends on the locations, distances, and velocities! Thanks for watching and supporting our continued nerdery. -- KH
Wouldn't she be able to rapidly turn the LS on and off to do something similar to an ion engine? The heat from the saber would expand in a targeted direction to the tip of the "blade" that it should provide directional thrust for that duration. So if she did this multiple times, couldn't she gain potentially large amounts of momentum based on how fast she could turn the LS on and off?
I still have an problem with the whole space chasing situation. Running out of fuel makes only sense if the ships run under a constant acceleration. But this would mean the first order and the rebel ships do have the exact same acceleration else, the rebels would be safe or hunted down after some time. But I get you the credit, your explanation is the only one that makes sense somehow.
What if she used ablation to make a literal rocket by, say, burning off a layer of clothes? And what if the other part of the force reaction pair didn't have to be the force user? I mean there's already no physical contact and nobody ever tips the slightest when force throwing, there's no reason to say the x-ray wing wasn't being pushed away from the planet rather than lifted by Yoda directly. Often I mime things to describe them, so miming force lifting probably helps with the concentration required, which could easily describe the body movements of the force user.
LastKnight0727 the situation is that u and all the ships are continuously accelerating and when a ships fuel runs out it stops accelerating and is caught up to by the first order
Because Science - Kyle, regarding the bombers, wouldn't it be possible that being so massive, the gravity given off by the Dreadnaught itself would be enough to pull the bombs toward it, rather than relying on the need for perfect alignment with the planet?
Oh... Forgot to mention something about your superstrength video. I'm in a wheelchair. When I first got into it I was worn out just going up a small extended incline and I was, aside from my back, in great shape. After I got used to pushing the chair around I noticed I had to handle a lot of things with more care as my upper body and hand strength increased due to the regular workout. While this is far from superstrength, the number of things I broke or crushed over the years because I just wasn't thinking grew proportionately with my body's familiarity with my wheelchair. Giving a handshake or a bearhug has become something you have to pay attention to as the change in strength can actually cause harm to someone else.
james pogrebetsky, - You're sort of correct in that you need to know how much pressure to apply and you get used to doing so. However, once I got back to work, about a year later, I would pick up a slide and cover and feel like I was applying the same force, but actually was applying more and would snap the slide. As for clumsier, you are dead on! The nerve damage was progressive so after that first year, I went from meticulous and precise to fumbling and bumbling anything and everything I picked up. Still, feeling like you're exerting the same force you did before and end up crushing something is extremely frustrating.
james pogrebetsky No you don't, you are used to your body strength and you unconsciously know how much effort you need to do something you're used to but you don't know what force you really applied, so a relatively quick change in body strength could mess up with the amount of effort you usually make to do something. This won't necessarily apply to things you do everyday while your body changes, but rarer actions might be a problem. If you never experienced quick change in physical strength, maybe you ever experience lifting a cardboard box that you thought was full and heavy but was actually empty. This can feel like you threw yourself off balance by putting too much effort and unconsciously positioning your center of mass to offset the expected weight of the box. It's the same problem of unconsciously anticipating the effort needed and being wrong.
I'm in a similar situation and I can say that, personally, I can't necessarily feel what I'm doing so it's difficult to judge how much force I'm applying. In that situation you typically go with some percentage of your maximum strength to do certain tasks, but when you're rapidly regaining strength it kind of throws that judgment off as well.
There actually is an argument that could be made for getting out of range of Star Wars weapons. Since turbolasers are not actually lasers(despite it being in the name lol), and also aren't solid mass objects like bullets or something like a railgun projectile, they will work differently. Now with a little bit of technobabble and Legends material, we know that turbolasers, as well as basically all weapons in Star Wars, fire Ionized Plasma. Now the issue with plasma is that it would obviously disperse basically as soon as it left the gun. So if we assume that blasters work similarly to Lightsabers, in that it is actually plasma held in place by a sort of energy field, that would explain how the blaster bolts keep from dispersing, and also kinda how they interact with lightsabers the way they do. So something has to be generating this field for the bolt, presumably the gun. There would obviously be a range at which this field could be no longer be generated, and the bolt would disperse. So, if the field strength of a blaster or turbolaser bolt breaks down over distance/time, then there would be a max range to any gun that fired using this method. I should note, literally none of what I just said has any basis in real science, and merely exists in the fictional Star Wars universe with the crazy tech they have there.
XepherTim It would probably need a solid base in the projectile to carry the magnetic field, but since we never see solid residue after a shot, we can imagine that what is inside would evaporate on impact or as you said, after some time/distance.
I love that "turbolaser" is a "laser" (lightspeed) that is "turbo" (fast) but moves WAAAAAAAY slower than lightspeed. Because particularly fast light ends up moving slower than light. Because movies.
Blaster ammo : "These power packs carried both a small electrical storage unit (such as a battery or other such device) and a quantity of compressed spin sealed Tibanna Gas" I'm not english so I don't really understand "compressed spin sealed Tibanna Gas", I guess it's the gas that is compressed, but "spin sealed" isn't clear to me. I didn't find anything on the speed of the projectile though.
Holly they weren’t going hyper-speed for most of the movie. They were using their regular engines to fly, what seems to be, a considerable fraction of light speed. That would account for a lot of time dilation, with a just few hours at that speed giving Rey and extra week-to-month of training time.
Supplemental guide books have stated that hyperdrive-capable ships are equipped with "relativistic shielding" that nullify the issue of time dilation. What if... YODA LIVES THAT LONG BECAUSE HE ALWAYS TURNED IT OFF!? :P
Kylo and Rey talk to each other in real time. There's no way one of them could be under the affect of time dilation and the other not be. Also, Fin and Rose leave and go to a third planet. Spend a couple of hours there and make it back with little time to spare. If the crew were under the affects of time dilation, F and R would have had much more time to faf about.
It's really interesting how we have these awesome, imaginative explainations for technology in the SW universe which are either unlikely (fantasy) or have laws we haven't found/taken advantage of yet (lightsabers, Force, et al), but things that are close to what we have (bombs, lasers, ion engines, solar panels) we try and make them work in our universe.
The Expanse does a great job taking a hard sci-fi approach to combat in a micro-gravity vacuum environment. Engagement ranges in hundreds kilometers, mostly with guided solid fuel torpedoes, magnetically accelerated rail guns at closer ranges (likely kms), and then point defense weapons at extremely close ranges (like those typically seen in Star Wars)
The Force causes two objects to attract or repel one another. Yoda was making the planet Dagobah repel the X-Wing. Leia was attracting herself to the ship. You can apply this to pretty much all uses of the Force.
DreXsack Exxx Yes! Exactly! If Newton's third law did apply, technically the Force would be absorbing the equal and opposite reaction, since it is the only thing causing the first action! Force-users only control it, they aren't the source of it!
I had the same thougt but you beat me to it. Although to take it further; this could explain the difference in "lifting capacity" between novice and master Jedi. The padawan is only capable of exerting force from their body onto the target object, and can not exert so much that they are moved, however a master can cause a whole planet to exert force on a target and move that target while everything else remains basically stationary.
It doesn't apply to _all_ uses of the Force, but it's a pretty good explanation for the telekinetic effects. Doesn't explain Force Lightning, though, or the sensory abilities Force sensitives have, for example.
That was my exact thought while watching these footnotes. Yoda, as a master, is basically capable of using the force, focused between the X-wing and the planet as we would use a jack to lift a car. This doesn't violate any laws and being that we don't know exactly what or how the Force is manipulated easily explains this.
The way i like to look at the force and newton's third law is that it does hold true, but they can use the force to redirect where the opposite force is directed. By this, yoda could lift the x wing and direct the counter force into the ground rather than bearing it with his body
@ttry1152 cells are heavier than air though and need a medium to reside in. to get enough cells to lift a X-Wing they would have to be so many that they would be visible to the eye. like a giant vein growing out of the ground. Molecules are something different than cells. the biggest difference being: they are a minimum of 2 atoms and therefor are neither alive nor anywhere near conscious/intelligent. @Jimanator if it was about directing where a force-vector goes, wouldn't it make more sens to take the reactive force-vector and direct it into the same direction as the causing force-vector? Anyways: In one of the books a padawan freezes a lake by imagining the water molecules to slow down. so by experiencing only the opposing force of one molecule at a time, yoda would not get squashed... but it would take like 900 million years to address each molecule individualy ;D Last but not least: lets stick to Obi-Wans original explanation... the force is an energy field surounding and penetrating everything, holding the universe together... Personal interpretation of that statement: kind of like gravity. Meaning the force does not have a will of its own. it is an equilibrium at all times. If you move an object here, the necessary force gets redistributed over all your force influence range. Kind of like the gas content of a balloon behaves when "forceing" a portion of that balloon into a specific shape. If there were 1 million Jedi but only 2 Sith, the power of those 2 would be equal and opposing to the power oft that 1 million ... within their (1million plus 2) collective influence range.. pluse the total amount of force within all universe would also always stay the same and in an equilibrium. this would also explain how the individual powers seem to varry in such huge manners, because the number of higly capable individuals within a region and the universe as a total changes so much. By birth, death and by hyperspace travel. Formulating the complex interconnections of this very simple concept would take like forever, so I hope this was enough information for any reader to grasp said concept withou me haveing to write a whole book ;D
It's glossed over in the movie, but Luke gets several months to train in Empire Strikes Back because the Falcon is limping along to Bespin at sublight speed.
fitzdraco actually according to the "book version of the movie" luke went back to dagobah to resume his training and RotJ takes place about a year later.
Luke learnt some party tricks. He was never anything more than a pilot, the only person he "fought" with a light saber DID NOT WANT TO KILL HIM. - i did not realize this video was year old.
You know what is the biggest plothole of all space movies? That everytime two big spaceships encounter which other they are perfectly aligned so everyone is standing on the same axis. It would be pretty funny that if a ship goes out from lightspeed to fight a star destroyer and it ended up beneath it and rotated so each ship's belly start shooting at the other.
Wouldn't that mean the death star, when it fires, would spin violently backwards across the galaxy - killing everyone on board and accidentally exploding more than a few planets?
out of hyper space which isn't attained through standard means of acceleration at most it would move the death star away from the planet a moderate distance, not even reaching the distance between two planets in any small amount of time let alone flying across the galaxy
well the laser it fires would have to generate enough radiating heat that it would provide enough force to move something with a mass of probably 1 bajillion kg. And that's unlikely considering how much it would take for a lightsaber to move one almost dead human.
I think we finally see why it had exhaust ports on the surface. Perhaps there were more of them (not just the single straight shot port) that would vent exhaust equally around the station when fired, thus dampening the force of the activation of the weapon.
In Star Wars, laser cannons and turbolasers have a maximum range, because they are firing plasma contained in an electomagnetic "force field". That field begins to decay once the plasma bolt is fired from the laser cannon. After a certain amount of time (and since they travel at a constant velocity, that also means a certain amount of distance), that field is no longer coherent enough to contain the plasma and said plasma expands out into the vacuum of space (probably in a fairly pretty bubble of light, I would imagine). IF, as the magnetic field surrounding the plasma decays sufficiently, some of the plasma might escape before the field completely broke down, thus reducing the efficiency of the "laser blast" on impact, which is why being in the weapon's extreme range and still getting hit wouldn't be as bad as being hit at close range. This is all just a guess, of course.
The ships being out of range meant that the first order ships were just not close enough for the laser to penetrate the resistance ships They needed to be closer to get through the resistance defenses
Speaking of lightsaber propelled motion, don’t forget about the Lightsail which uses the momentum of light pushing on it’s reflective sails to gradually gain speed and accelerate through space.
7:44 thank you for that image. It is now your responsibility to use your advanced intellect to determine the optimal power drill application to get it out of my head.
You don't need oxygen for fire. There are chemical fires, for example. But you're right, she wouldn't catch fire, because the heat wouldn't transfer to her body. Really, space is the only safe place to use a lightsaber.
ive always liked the idea of the force being similar to electro-magnetic forces wich would make all jedis a weaker or stronger version of magneto and by focusing on the electricity side of the equation sith could throw lightning
Timothy Young it would also account for the mind-trick abilities. A university in the US has a “God Helmet”, that induces magnetic fields onto specific parts of your brain. The vast majority of people with that simple version of the helmet, report having religious or other supernatural experiences. They feel a presence around them that is described as a Angel or friendly Alien, depending on their own interpretation. An advanced form of that, would be the source of the Jedis mind powers, and an untapped part of Magneto’s powers repertoire.
Hey Kyle, love the videos. The paradox of The Force can be explained by a simple theory. The Force essentially allows telekinesis (with supposedly a much larger force than humanly possible). The question of a counter force in the direction opposite to the exerted force can answered with a yet another telekinetic force upon another object at a distance. So Yoda lifting the X-wing can direct the opposing force using 'The Force' on the entire planet, supposedly, thus not being buried in the swamp himself. Hope this helps.
A couple of points - Regarding the use of the "Force", if I push buttons and pull levers in a backhoe, the force being imparted on the dirt I lift has an equal and opposite force on the backhoe, not on me. The "Force" is consistently referred to as an external, somewhat self-aware thing they're tapping into, not a power they're exerting. It's important to remember that the "Force" is not a physical force but a name some Jedi (who probably wasn't a physicist) gave to the Cosmic Plot Device. The "Force" imparts knowledge in violation of causality, imparts forces, electrical charges, manipulates biology, etc. which no one physical force could ever account for. As you mention in another episode, there is no known force that can interact with matter, and not really any space conceivable for one that fits here. But like it or not, that's where midichlorians come in. In canon, they're intelligent and connect macroscopic species (the "Living Force") to the "Cosmic Force" in something analogous to a radio connecting us to one spectrum of invisible electromagnetic waves. How the Cosmic Force in turn manipulates physical reality is pure handwavium called the Whills (yet another microbe...and no explanation as to how it does anything), but like with the controls on my backhoe example, the Jedi aren't actually exerting physical force, they're telling something else to. So when Yoda lifts the X-Wing, something else is taking that equal and opposite force. With General Leia floating in space, she could either be pulling the entire ship towards her (doubtful because that would mean all the debris was pulled too, needlessly) or she was just pulling herself towards it and the hand gesture towards the ship was just misleading. Regarding time dilation - Hyperspace wouldn't have time dilation in the way speeds approaching light would. Hyperspace is a fantasy technology without hard facts associated with it, but we do know that nobody is getting significantly out of synch when traveling around. That said, the Raddus and Supremacy were accelerating for quite a while with very powerful engines. It's very plausible that they were going at a significant fraction of the speed of light. If we generously say it's 0.9999, Rey could have got a few months training in. Sadly, while this is fun, we know it's not the case because Rey had a conversation in real time with Kylo Ren while he was on the Supremacy close to the end of her training. But while we're talking about fun physics ruined by in-universe dialogue, let me ask this - if the Raddus and Supremacy had been accelerating long enough to be going a significant fraction of the speed of light and instead of actually going anywhere with the Hyperdrive, Holdo just used it's inherent ability to match a ship to the relative velocity of the surrounding solar system (or a "dead stop" relative to the surrounding solar system), would the effect be the same as what we saw in the film given that the Supremacy would still be moving at a significant fraction of the speed of light?
What if the the magnetic thing of the bomb work the opposite of way you are thinking. If the ship and the bomb are the same charge. It would push each other away from themselves. Pushing the bombs to the First Order ship.
Then we just get back to the concept of propelling the bombs out like bullets. Why make it complicated with magnets? Just load them in there with a spring and be done with it.
It's so annoying how with slow internet makes it twice or three times as long yo watch the video, so I have to comment so my comment doesn't get lost in the sea of comments. I will edit this when I've watched the video: . If time dilation happens, then how can anyone ever arrive on time to do anything relevant to any war? . Kyle! Just because Newton's law doesn't apply to the firce doesn't mean it doesn't apply to the universe!... lemme put it in a way you will understand. What if there is some quantum mechanics (for not saying magic) in action that allow for the negation of the opposite reaction, or redirection of the opposite reaction? I would like to say that the force anchors itself to the fabric of space and uses that as a support to lift heavy objects (and do other things). The force does connect all things in the universe, after all (which also explains predicting the future). But that takes away from the mystery and power and capability of the force. The force creates freakin ghosts!
Ninja Hombrepalito if you consider near ligthspeed speeds, it would indeed be unmanageable, if a system is 2 ligth years away and with time dilation, you get there in a week, for the people on the target systems, it will still have taken you ~2years (a bit more, never less) so the urgent matter that needed your help is probably long gone !
Because... Time dilation (or time TRAVEL into the future versus time contraction or time travel into the past) is based on the direction and speed of the traveler relative to the reference point and ITS speed and direction. When you are traveling AWAY from someone who is slower or not moving, you are traveling into their future, but the trip returning back to the reference point is moving backwards or SLOWING down in time relative to the refence point. So any two objects in the same location always share the same time, but objects moving toward or away from each other move forward or backward in time relative to the other object based on speed and direction. All of that is to say that time travel of any meaningful type is not possible in our current models.
Check out the ShoddyCast episode on the BFG. The style of the video is different, but the way Austin gets to the solution is roughly the same as Kyle's. ua-cam.com/video/ig_gQAITzIk/v-deo.html
I like to believe Yoda isn't directly lifting the X-wing. He's commanding the Force to lift it. And since the Force is everywhere, the forces involved in lifting the X-wing is distributed through the nearby universe. So along that logic, Leia didn't push or pull herself to the ship, she commanded the Force to move her closer to the ship. Still does not explain Luke's green milk habit.
Maybe the use of the force is super flexible. Like yoda could direct the downward force across a large area below the x-wing instead of on himself. Maybe you can choose where both the force and the opposing force goes, so leia could select herself as the recipient of the opposing force while yoda could choose something like the ground or the swamp. This could also explain why it is so hard to master the force and use it well since you have to account for two forces and their positioning to produce the effects you want.
14:55 SOLUTION that prevents Yoda smooshing: he's also applying a force on the surrounding mass of the ground, trees, etc. This also fits well with that line saying that the force flows through all living things. Perhaps when a Force user uses The Force to move something, they automatically or instinctively "brace" or anchor themselves using the mass around them, like when someone adjusts their feet and leans forward before pushing a desk or something. Yoda had the ground of the swamp, however far out that needed to be for the X-Wing, but Leia had almost nothing around her to anchor her or she made a conscious choice to not brace herself with the nearby debris and allow herself to be pulled like when pulling on a rope connected to a boat in still water.
In the belgariad books when the main character is learning to use his will to move things he flips over a large rock and drives himself into the soil. After he is taught to exert a force in both directions to stop himself from being thrown away when moving something. Still ignores the squishing aspect but solves being pushed backwards
I'm here to help out Yoda, even though I might be late: He might be "outsourcing" the force applied to him. Would work as follows - Yoda applies a force on the X-Wing, the X-Wing applies a force on Yoda. Yoda then has the planet apply a force opposite to that force pushing him downwards. Since we have no idea where the opposite force is applied, something similar like this could be possible. I mean, Doku made lightning with the force (episode 2) and Yoda applied a force to that, catching and deflecting it.
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I think that in relation to Lightsabers you are forgetting one thing; If they have the ability/technology to contain the plasma or whatever it is that makes up the cutting power of the "laser sword", then they should also be able to contain heat and any other byproducts with similar tech. This eliminates many of the problems you mention regarding this weapon "of a more civilized age". In relation to the Force, and by extension super strength; Moving larger things such as Yoda moving an X-Wing, you have to remember that that act was extremely tiring for Yoda, and I don't think it is unreasonable to say that a Force-user would be able, and thus most likely is, using the Force to counteract the "equal and opposite reaction". My example would be; You are holding something magnetic in one hand and the magnet in the other. Within the influence of the magnet, you have to exert the same amount of force on both objects to keep them apart, as if you lessen one of those influences, the two objects would come together, would they not? The same thing could work for the force. We just don't SEE the opposite reaction because Force-users that learn telekinesis would learn Newton's 3rd law as a part of that, and thus be automatically adjusting. Kind of like how when you were a baby, you had to learn to stand and walk.
As for out of range in space - if I recall correctly by canonical explanation the so-called "turbolasers" are in fact - plasma cannons. there is an issue of weaponising plasma in a way of shooting out a projectile: without a containment field it disperse very fast making it hardly any thret long before a "projectile" has a chance to reach any reasonable target. Now there was a theoretical solution populary named "selfcontainment field" or something but issue with this one is that it also dissipate "fairly" quickly severly limiting the range.
Regarding the "out of weapons range" question: Energy weapons in Star Wars don't have unlimited range anywhere because they emit light and heat the entire time they are in transit. At a certain point, they will have emitted all their energy and will just... fade away. This means that as a target moves away, it takes longer for the attack to reach it and the weapon does less damage because more and more of the energy has dissipated into space.
My problem with the Leia force pull is that everyone always says she does not have to pull that hard to move in space. That is wrong in this case because she would have to pull hard enough to more than counteract her velocity with which she was ejected away from the bridge. She has to exceed that to get back. From the scene, she is ejected at a pretty good rate of approx 10 meters per second which is 22ish miles per hour. That is the speed a very fast runner runs at. So with no training and nothing but life and death need she can pull with enough Force(pun totally intended) to not only stop something the size of a person moving at that speed but to then go beyond that and provide thrust back toward the ship. With no training we know of she is able to do this while it took Luke an extreme amount of effort to pull a lightsaber, that weighs very little compared to a person, to him when his life was on the line in ESB which took place about 3 years after ANH and the obvious self training he would do to learn the ways of the Force. I guess Obi and Yoda trained the wrong twin if she is that much stronger than Luke in the Force. As for the bombers they are just magnetically launched from the bay doors like a short burst rail gun. So from the perspective of the bomber it will always look like they are dropping the bombs. They are still the most inefficient bombers with no defenses and would be useless in every fight unless your opponents are clueless buffoons like every military commander in TLJ seems to be and you do not bother to launch fighters at the start of an engagement like any sane commander would. Out of range is exactly what you said. A distance where either you could easily dodge kinetic munitions or at which beam weapons would lose enough power to be rendered ineffective. For most space combat that would be in the hundred of kilometers range Time dilation is something that if it worked in hyperspace would totally wreck the holy crap out of the Star Wars Universe, its timeline, and how everyone would do everything. Lets assume that time dilation stops and goes no further than at the rate it works at 99.999% of lightspeed even though they travel through hyperspace at millions of times the speed of light, just so we have a constant rate. At that rate, real time passes at 2236 times the speed you experience in hyperspace. You could Invest a few credits in the Galactic Stock Market or something and go tooling around the galaxy in what to you seems like a week and come out of hyperspace with 43 years having passed and thus 43 years of returns on your investement for only a week of time to you. The time we see them spend on the Falcon on the trip from Tattoine to Alderaan looked like it was a few hours or maybe a whole day. If it was 1 single hour long to them Leia was in custody for 93.16 real days and Alderaan was obliterated months before they show up. If it was a whole day..... she would have been in custody for 6.12 years and Alderaan was obliterated long enough before their arrival that children born the day it happened somewhere else would be in galactic first grade and observing a moment of space silence for the lives lost every time they have a birthday. Space truckers would live for millions of years of real time while experiencing a normal life span from their perspective. Han, being a pilot and smuggler, was probably born thousands of years ago in real time but has only experienced 25-30 years of time from his perspective. One 2 day round trip (from his certain point of view) smuggling job could mean the chick he was dating at the time could drop a near teenager off on him when he gets back when he didn't even know she was pregnant when he left not to mention she is now 12 years older and not Hans type anymore. It just breaks everything in such a way I have to assume that Hyperspace somehow does not have any form of time dilation associated with it.
Hello Kyle! Yoda took the time to explain the connections (via the force) between everything, ultimately finishing by specifically pointing out the connection between the Xwing and the land. Perhaps mastery of the force (in this way) is simply a matter of manipulating that connection. In effect, Yoda wasn't lifting the Xwing himself (and therefore getting crushed), instead the connection between the Xwing and the shore was being manipulated and the crushing equal and opposite reaction of lifting it was simply transferred to the land instead. Yoda would then bear none of the weight himself. The only strain involved would be maintaining the concentration necessary to manipulate that connection with precision when such massive forces are in play. Variations of this principal could be used to also explain various other effects seen in the series, including attracting or repelling objects both large and small without Newtons pesky laws apparently affecting the force user. Gravity manipulation, or a similar effect achieved by manipulation the electromagnetic fields that surround all things? It is perhaps something to consider.
1. Lightsaber rocket improvement: use ablation to increase thrust 2. Force smooshing: Maybe the reaction pairs aren't object and force user, but are object and object, with *both* being chosen by the user, perhaps subconsciously? That would allow x-wing/planet pairing and ship/person pairing with the difference in thought being "I need to get the x-wing out of the swamp" and "I need to get myself in that ship"
You could always say that force users are able to use the force in a way that the upward force to Luke’s ship comes from the ground so the ground takes all the downward force. Yoda supplies the power and uses the force to make the ground use said power. It’s like a weird space wizard pulley system.
Interestingly enough, in WW2, when experimenting with torpedoes and different tracking methods, the problem you mention with magnets was one that submarines had. If the target was too far away, the torpedo would turn around and strike the launching ship. I don't have a source off hand on that though. correction. Found the source Newpower, Anthony (2006), Iron Men and Tin Fish: The Race to Build a Better Torpedo during World War II, Praeger Security International, ISBN 0-275-99032-X
In David Eddings' 'The Belgariad' series, "levitation physics" is explained. During training, the user must learn to apply pressure in multiple directions, so that a large rock can be moved instead of the user being pushed backwards. I'm not sure which book covers this, but it explains how Yoda prevents himself from becoming 'goo'.
Kyle, just a clarification. My (and most of the others I noticed) comment wasn't saying that there wasn't an equal and opposite force to the motion of the X-Wing. The point was that the force that was acting upon the X-Wing did not come from Yoda himself. Yoda merely manipulated the energy, molecules, etc. that already existed around the ship itself. In this case, the force is basically acting like a psychic remote control system. So, those equal and opposite forces would still be in effect, they'd just act as if the ship was pretty much moving under its own power (as the force that was causing the movement would be immediately surrounding it. Well, and flowing through it, as Jedi describe the force as something that flows through and between all things). We see a similar effect in the real world. Operators who remotely pilot drones aren't affected with a counter force. The drone is.
Yoda says the force is "all around us" so I think that the force lifting the X-Wing on Dagobah was coming up from beneath it (or pulling it up from above) and that force wasn't applied to Yoda, he was just controlling it with his mind, remotely. Additionally, Leia may not have pulled herself into the ship, she could have pushed herself towards it, then righted herself by applying more pushing force onto her feet as she approached.
Hey, Kyle. Love the show. I have an idea about why Yoda didn't get turned into a green grease spot. Yoda is a master of the Force, so he manipulates it to fulfill his wishes. I think he uses it on Deguba (can't spell to save my life) by having the strain of lifting a ship be directed at the ground. In the movies, they say the Force surrounds us and binds us, so a master of the Force could use it in this way, I think. It's also why Luke couldn't lift the X-Wing in my opinion, because he was trying to take the strain all himself, essentially like grabbing it and trying to pull it up on his own, while Yoda uses the strength (mass) of the planet itself. Big fan of the show. Loved you in Mythbusters: The Search. But let me know what you think about this jumble of mixed up thoughts. It fits with Newton 3rd law, having the planet pushing on the ship; the planet moves imperceptibly while the ship moves quite a lot.
To overcome the static bomb issue with the Star Wars bombers, simply use a small rod/spring mechanism mounted inside the bomb mounts, so instead of just dropping the bombs, they get pushed out with some velocity so they can continue on to the target. There would be other methods, but that's one of the fastest/cheapest designs I thought of when I saw your graphic representation of the issue.
Luke trained for several months on Dagohba,. Remember, Han, Leia, and Chewy had enough time to travel between inhabited star systems at sublight speed during his training. Even if they were only light months apart, like two suns in a binary system, it would take a long time to move between them. Maybe they were traveling close to light speed, so they only experienced days or weeks, but it could have taken months or years.
Kyle make a analysis of Godzilla Earth like how it can produce an electromagnetic pulse around its body, how its abilities are possible or not or how if its possible to support a 300m tall 100000 ton monster with metallic plant tissue which is what Godzilla Earth's made of.Please do any type of video of Godzilla Earth. Edit:P.S. please don't hate on me like others and like so Kyle will see this
19:25 Wasn't it first established that in order to catchup/"run out of fuel" during a space chase both parties would have to constantly be accelerating. So even if Leia was jettisoned out front gaining that additional propulsion from the "explosion" of atmosphere, it would not take noticable long for her to be overtaken by the accelerating ship. Although in the Best case one could argue that if she got ejected in a straight line up front, she would simply get end up back in the same room she got ejected from by the ship catching up to her ;)
16:00 two possible solutions to the Yoda problem. 1) At times the ship seems to be going far slower than aerodynamic lift could keep it up. If the ship had something that allows it to more or less hover, then Yoda might've tapped into it to basically make the ship lift itself. 2)It is possible that Yoda used the force similar to how snowshoes work. These "force shoes" would spread out the force from the ship over a much larger area, keeping Yoda from sinking in. Even better, if Yoda was only a kind of conduit of the force, then the downward force of the ship would cancel the upward force from the ground. (Or would that just be 2x the stresses on his body?)
In re: the "range" issue, at some point you have to account for the accuracy of the weapons. At some distance, even being off by a degree means you could miss your target by a wide margin. So not only do the weapons lose some effectiveness at a certain distance, but at some point, you'd be statistically unlikely to hit your target. And we all know how good a stormtrooper's aim is already.
I think that Yoda just applies force to the ground when lifting x-wing so the reaction of the lifting x-wing (I mean the force) is reduced to the amount that Yoda can stand. There are 2 pairs of forces where 1 lifts x-wing, 1 smash Yoda, 1 pulls planet away from Yoda and 1 that makes Yoda fly (that smashing force and that flying are turned in different directions and that's why Yoda isn't dying when he tries to lift x-wing) (sorry for bad English)
My theory for the force is that it's a controlled exertion of all energetic matter that can be controlled via some low level. Essentially you connect with anything that exerts force and you can control that exertion. Leia can push herself through the vacuum toward the ship because she, the ship and it's inhabitants are in the plasma filled vacuum of space. Because there's enough energy to connect to via the assumed mechanics of the force, she can simply pull herself back in. On degobah Yoda can tap into the swamps heavy bacterial life presence in the atmosphere and use their energetic potential to exert force to push the ship up without breaking his own body. It's like a long winded metaphysics pulley.
When Leia is using the Force to bring herself back to the ship, she's creating force between herself and the ship, as you described. When Yoda is using the Force to lift the X-wing, he's creating force between the "land and the ship" as he says moments before when telling look that it's no different than moving the rocks. Since he's not applying force to himself, it wouldn't crush him. That being said, he also said that "size matters not" so either he means that the difference in mass between a ship and a rock is insignificant compared to the energy of the Force, (which is more in line with Jedi in the Clone Wars tv show struggling to lift larger objects with the Force) or, how it may have originally been intended, that mass does not make a difference. You're not lifting things in a traditional way, it's more like creating space between objects. Though they're not creating space the way space expands, because they're within atmospheres. If it is more like creating space, I don't know how that would work.
Actually, releasing the bombs in a gravity-absent zone wouldn't leave them floating in place. They would actually move forward at the velocity that they were released at (just like what you explained with the ship passing Leaia). Now, this would obviously be super ineffective unless you were flying towards the ship and were EXTREMELY close, as the bombs themselves have no guidance nor acceleration, but they are at least moving somewhere instead of just floating in limbo...for better or worse. Small correction, but thought I'd mention it anyway.
For the Yoda getting squashed questions: I would of thought that is part of learning the force, how to redirect the opposite forces when using the force. that is how you can have some characters more adapt at using different portions of it.
i think the reason why yoda doesnt get squished is because everyone seems to think that a force user can only apply force on one thing at a time, when yoda (being a master jedi) very well could be applying force to both the x wing and the planet hes standing on. it isnt beyond the realm of possibility that yoda could be pushing down on the planet itself while pulling up on the x wing. he could even have been applying force to himself to hold him still instead of pushing on the planet. it is not explicitly stated anywhere im aware of that the force can only be applied in one direction or to a single item at a time.
At least I'm a Super Nerd in my mind. I took a decent stab at how you could have the Force without being crushed, while still preserving the 3rd Law. Oh well.
(Note: for this sentence to read correctly and make sense, Force, with a capital F, refers to Jedi magic, and "force" with a lower case reference to real world force.) My thought is this: Newton's Third Law DOES apply, but the Force it's self is what it's applied to, not the user. And this can actually be seen throughout the series; when ever a user applies the Force, faint shock waves and sound waves ripples throughout the air it's self, almost no matter what power is being used, with a few exceptions, like Force Speed. I say sound waves and shock waves are the Force being reacted to by the force, and thus the third law. When Force push is used, for example, the force of the Force hits the target, and the force of the impact reacts oppositely on the air around the target. That explains both the physics of Yoda surviving and potentially Leia as well. We could assume that she's manipulating both the air AND the ship, so that the force of the Force is reacting on her body instead of the air; or even that she is simply using an unknown Force power that draws the user towards the target, instead of the target towards the user. We COULD also assume that Leia, having 20+ years to practice, is simply a strong force user and is in fact using Force Pull on the ship and dragging IT towards her, not the other way around. And if the extended universe is to be used, it's not that implausible; with training form Luke, Leia did become a fairly powerful force wielder, at least on par with some of the weakest Masters from the Clone Wars era.
Yoda does say that everything is connected through the Force. Maybe that's a poetic way of saying that the Force can act between any combination of objects.
perhaps. i've always taken it more as the force is basically oxygen, but that is most likely true, as well, even if that isn't actually what yoda meant.
Maybe the whole issue with sinking into the loose Dagobah mud and avoiding being crushed was why the act of lifting the X-wing was such a good training exercise, and considered so difficult in the first place? The force doesn't have a visual indication of its use other than the direct effects, so it's possible that lifting the X-wing was more complex than just "Lifting it", so to speak. Perhaps it required using "the force" to not only provide the seen lifting force, but to also apply opposing kinetic forces in all places necessary (like the water it was submerged in (because water's heavy, so moving it out of the way is easier than lifting it along with the X-wing), the bones and tissues of the jedi, and the ground) to spread out the stress of lifting it over a large enough area to not harm the Jedi or the environment. Think a suspension bridge made of kinetic energy supplied by the force user - they're not making forces or energy "Disappear", they're just spreading it out over a MUCH greater area than we're assuming because we can't see what they're actually doing - just the results of what they're doing. Hell, it's possible "Force Flight" (as in flying in an atmosphere, not in space) isn't actually Flying at all, but instead the Jedi using the force to massively increase the air-density underneath them while spreading their total mass over a greater area to produce a buoyant force, kinda like a blimp (Which would explain why Jedi seem so... floaty? when they can fly occasionally) - and if that's true pulling yourself to something in a vacuum is REALLY simple in comparison.
The Leaia/Raddus velocity explanation undermines the gravity function of the bombs. If an astronaut in the ISS slowly steps out of an airlock, they don't just plummet to the Earth. They float with the station at the same orbital speed and direction. Yes, they will slowly float away from the station in an ever diverging orbit, but only with whatever initial velocity they had leaving the station. In the TLJ, open the bomb bay doors and the bombs should just fall to the floor of the ship just like Paige and the remote control. Star Wars ships appear to have some kind of artificial gravity flooring/field so maybe the artificial gravity in the ship helps to give the bombs some downward momentum before exiting. The distance they fall before exiting the hull isn't much though, leaving only a brief time to gain any velocity. This would also imply that the highest racked bombs should be moving noticeably faster and in different trajectories outside of the ship than the lowest. It is nearly impossible to calculate because we don't know the orbital altitudes or speeds of any of the ships or their masses, the relative velocities or distances of the bombers to the First Order ship, the internal gravitational strength of the bombers or that of the planet itself. The bombs should appear to an observer to slowly fall out in a diagonal cloud, heading mostly in the same forward direction as the bombers and slightly downward.
Yoda was using his control of the force to do the opposite of what Leia was doing, without himself in the middle. Yoda wasn't the second body that the force was acting on when he lifted the x-wing. It was the planet itself. Where as Leia used the "Spontaneous Disembodied Generation of Attraction Between Two Bodies" ability, her targets being herself and her ship, Yoda used the "Spontaneous Disembodied Generation of Repulsion Between Two Bodies" ability, his targets being the X-wing and Dagobah, So as far as telekinetic control of bodies in motion go, pretty sure Newton's Laws will still hold their own ( And yes I am assuming Yoda used Angular Deflection to redirect the Angle of Incidence in order to steer the X-wing where it needed to go)
Let's not forget that in A New Hope, Luke used the Force to completely change the momentum of a proton torpedo after a couple of hours of Obi-Wan training him (assuming that's the time it took the Falcon to travel through hyperspace to get to the ruined Alderaan from Tatooine). I think that's a better achievement than beating up a guy who's holding in his intestines after being shot by a bowcaster.
I almost wrote that the inverse square law doesn't apply to lasers, but I looked it up and apparently, it does! Who knew? I learned something from you today, Kyle! Very cool.
A lot of people constantly talk about Hyperspace and lightspeed as if they are synonymous. And even though they do use the term "lightspeed" in star wars, it's been "explained" that hyperspace is not the same space that everybody in the galaxy exists in. You aren't actually traveling at lightspeed or anywhere near it. I don't really know the exact theoretical sci-fi explanation off the top of my head, but I have looked into it before. One thing I do remember, however, is that objects in hyperspace can still interact with objects in normal space. Which is why there are hyperspace lanes (or something like that) and why computers are used to plot a safe course so as not to smash into a planet. And besides, if they were actually traveling at lightspeed, it would take AGES UPON AGES to go anywhere in the galaxy. Hell, our closest neighboring star is Proxima Centauri at about 4.22 light years away, with Alpha Centauri A and B just a tad farther (heh...tad...space. A tad is really big at this scale)...but I digress, they can't be traveling only at the speed of light because of how long it would take to get anywhere in their galaxy, and they certainly can't BE traveling at the speed of light because...well wouldn't they all get squished under their own infinite mass? Either way, time dilation wouldn't apply since they aren't actually traveling anywhere near the speed of light...I think... here we go, I found an explanation of hyperspace. And it looks like I was wrong about one thing, you do initially have to get close to lightspeed to enter the hyperspace dimension. Not sure how close, but anyway, video! ua-cam.com/video/7W2JJZbkPD0/v-deo.html
If the Force is some kind of energy field, and it's a field that Force-users can tap into to generate physical effects (like the extra lifting force necessary to unearth an X-Wing), I think it makes sense that the exchange can go both ways: any downward force Yoda experiences can be converted back into "forcions" or whatever, preventing him from sinking too much into the ground.
I think the reason why Yoda doesn't turn himself into chunky salsa when he lifts the X-Wing is that he is doing more than just lifting the fighter. He could also be reinforcing the ground around him and distributing the opposite force down into it instead of himself.
The way I understand how the force works is that when Yoda was lifting the x wing, there is like an invisible string pulling the x wing up. When she's "I'm Marry Popins y'all", the string is between her a ff the ship
For the magnetic fields decrease over radius, the inverse cube ratio only stay true for bipolar magnets. If you have a tri-polar magnet, it becomes invert fourth power of the distance, and invert fifth power for a quadri-polar magnet. In fact, it's always 1/(radius^(1+number of poles))
i think they use 'magnetic targeting' more like a low powered railgun, they use repellant force to 'eject' the bombs out of the bay which would give them enough velocity to stay on target, would also explain why they seem to accelerate off those rails rather quickly
Correction for your correction. You said if the bomber was going up and there was no planet the bomb would just sit there. But it would keep going at the velocity and direction it was released at away from its target.
the force counter to Yoda lifting the X-Wing, is being applied to the ground at the bottom of the pond, he even says that the Force is between things like a rock and the ground
Maybe the force works in a way, that you can assign (choose) what the opposite force is assigned to? I think that fixes all the problems, so, when joda pushes the x-wing up, he applies opposite force to the planet (the ground) like some virtual spring.. And when Leia pushes herself towards the ship, she chooses herself as the opposite force, so the newton's third law still applies..
6:38 I'm suddenly reminded of a G. I Joe character called Sci-Fi who fires a Laser Rifle --in his filecard it actually addresses that a laser rifle, not properly aimed or used, is about "as useful as a big warm flashlight"...
About that Yoda thing: What if the "Force" Yoda exerted was into the surface of the planet, then it traveled along the surface of the planet until it reached the X-Wing and then was exerted from the ground and wedged between the surface and the X-Wing, causing the X-Wing to rise? Furthermore, perhaps we can assume (from a movie perspective) that the Force is able to propagate on its own. So, for example, Yoda would impose his "will" onto the Force, which would only have a small net force in and of itself, but then the Force itself would propagate and grow and expand on its own as it interacted with everything around it (like the Force is explained to do in the first place). Thinking about it like that, then the extreme opposite force exerted would be received by the Force itself. Like making multiple waves in water and then the waves combine with each other to create a larger force as one than you exerted individually for each.
During your explanation of the lightsaber engine, I thought of metamaterials, and wondered "What if the forcefield that holds back the plasma also blocked all non-visible wavelengths of light?" You would then not cook the wielder of the lightsaber, and only things that the lightsaber was plunged into would heat up due to convection, because radiation was blocked off.
"You would need super, super strong magnets..." In Star Wars, you can fit super powerful magnetic field generators AND plasma generators in something, that is size of a tiny flashlight. About that projectile range, also spaceships were accelerating, bullets not. So after bullet would travel some distance, it's target would already accelerate by a lot, reducing relative velocity of a bullet and kinetic force this bullet would apply, upon impact. When Yoda was teaching Luke ways of the force, he told him to not lift X-Wing using force between his hand and ship. He told him to feel force between ground and ship, and thus lift him. You totally can use force between all objects, your body aswell. Luke was just too stubborn to understand by than, that force is reaction between all objects in the universe, not just the force user, and something else. This is further supported by the fact, that lightning was shot from the sky, not Yoda's ghost body.
The force isn't attached to the individual, the force Yoda is using to lift the X-wing is being dispersed over an area separate from Yoda, or rather an area comprising Yoda and literally everything else, force wielders don't manifest the force they simply focus it into action. Given this your explanation still works by the way, I imagine force pulling a light saber is kinda like tethering the lightsaber to your hand with the force, you can contract or expand the amount of force between the saber and your hand as needed, but once grasped it will always pull toward that hand, tethering is not necessary to use the force, as stated, but its easy enough of a concept most beginners could pick it up, like Luke at zero hours training pulling his saber from the snow on Hoth, or Leia at ?? hours training (because its been years why wouldn't she pick up the basics) on the ship, this would also explain why Luke treated lifting the ship as a physical activity, he tethered the force between him and the X-wing, and as such he was having that force applied directly to him.
Note to the laser and range comment: Every laser beam has an angle at which the outer beams if you will move away from each other. It's like a cone. This is called beam divergence. It is physically not possible to make a laser with perfectly parallel light. The reason for that is the aperture (where the beam exits the laser cavity) and the intrinsic wavelike properties of light. So the light will always be scattered on the aperture. The narrower the aperture the bigger the divergence angle. So if you have a laser beam the width of a football it will stay 'smaller' longer. While one that is the width of a hair starts smaller but diverges a lot qicker. This is actually a reason to only use beam weapons in space. They will be non dangerous after a certain distance. But ballistic projectiles travel basically forever and may one day hit something they were never intended to hit.
Ok, I have watched both videos and have one thing to say that everyone completely missed in the space chase, all the ships are under constant acceleration if the engines are burning fuel, KSP even gets this right and it then makes perfect sense that any ship that ran out of fuel would appear to fall behind the rest. If there is any plot hole in that scene it would be that the ships that ran out of fuel would appear to accelerate towards the first order ships in the frame of reference of the viewer following the chase. Also you could calculate the acceleration of the vessels and see that over that period of time they may have exceeded or approached the speed of light under the constant acceleration and that may have caused a great deal of time dilation to the fleet and the first order chasing them.
I’m also pretty sure it’s canon that Yoda can use the Force to jump higher. He can also lift objects with out turning himself into green goo. This suggests that the Force user can decide whether the equal and opposite reaction affects him or not.
I think by “magnetically propelled” what they mean is that the bombs are in what amounts to be almost a large rail gun. Magnets turning on and off to propel the bombs in a direction
Bomber correction: Are you all forgetting the rather obvious part; the ship clearly had some kind of gravity generator, as that girl fell down the ladder and onto a platform at the bottom. So whatever gravity field generation they had, would provide a gravity field for the bombs to drop, and then newtons laws of motion would be fine. Unless the field had a centre of mass somewhere below the ship, in which case the bombs would likely bob back up after. But still, clear gravity on the ship,
On the Yoda/Newton's 3rd law thing: Why does Yoda have to be the focal point? Whose to say that he isn't creating a Force hydraulic jack beneath the x-wing? In this case, the opposite force would be directed down and the Force is being used to create an invisible construct that lifts things. That's how I always saw it, not as an extension of Yoda's arm but just creating an upward force beneath the x-wing.
If Leia activated a legion of lightsabers, no, she wouldn't "be on fire" per say, but the infrared radiation would be enough to vaporize her, like the Sun does to incoming space rocks and comets! Oh and while Rey would have more time on the island, relatively speaking, if she jumped to hyperspace to get back to the resistance, more time (again, relatively) would pass for the Resistance and they might have run our of fuel by the time she arrived. All depends on the locations, distances, and velocities! Thanks for watching and supporting our continued nerdery. -- KH
Wouldn't she be able to rapidly turn the LS on and off to do something similar to an ion engine? The heat from the saber would expand in a targeted direction to the tip of the "blade" that it should provide directional thrust for that duration. So if she did this multiple times, couldn't she gain potentially large amounts of momentum based on how fast she could turn the LS on and off?
I still have an problem with the whole space chasing situation. Running out of fuel makes only sense if the ships run under a constant acceleration. But this would mean the first order and the rebel ships do have the exact same acceleration else, the rebels would be safe or hunted down after some time. But I get you the credit, your explanation is the only one that makes sense somehow.
What if she used ablation to make a literal rocket by, say, burning off a layer of clothes?
And what if the other part of the force reaction pair didn't have to be the force user? I mean there's already no physical contact and nobody ever tips the slightest when force throwing, there's no reason to say the x-ray wing wasn't being pushed away from the planet rather than lifted by Yoda directly. Often I mime things to describe them, so miming force lifting probably helps with the concentration required, which could easily describe the body movements of the force user.
LastKnight0727 the situation is that u and all the ships are continuously accelerating and when a ships fuel runs out it stops accelerating and is caught up to by the first order
Because Science - Kyle, regarding the bombers, wouldn't it be possible that being so massive, the gravity given off by the Dreadnaught itself would be enough to pull the bombs toward it, rather than relying on the need for perfect alignment with the planet?
I love how genuinely happy Kyle gets when explaining things. It's very refreshing.
Oh... Forgot to mention something about your superstrength video. I'm in a wheelchair. When I first got into it I was worn out just going up a small extended incline and I was, aside from my back, in great shape. After I got used to pushing the chair around I noticed I had to handle a lot of things with more care as my upper body and hand strength increased due to the regular workout. While this is far from superstrength, the number of things I broke or crushed over the years because I just wasn't thinking grew proportionately with my body's familiarity with my wheelchair. Giving a handshake or a bearhug has become something you have to pay attention to as the change in strength can actually cause harm to someone else.
That's just silly. Even being stronger, you still know how much force you're applying to an object. Sounds like you just became clumsier. .
james pogrebetsky, - You're sort of correct in that you need to know how much pressure to apply and you get used to doing so. However, once I got back to work, about a year later, I would pick up a slide and cover and feel like I was applying the same force, but actually was applying more and would snap the slide. As for clumsier, you are dead on! The nerve damage was progressive so after that first year, I went from meticulous and precise to fumbling and bumbling anything and everything I picked up. Still, feeling like you're exerting the same force you did before and end up crushing something is extremely frustrating.
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No you don't, you are used to your body strength and you unconsciously know how much effort you need to do something you're used to but you don't know what force you really applied, so a relatively quick change in body strength could mess up with the amount of effort you usually make to do something. This won't necessarily apply to things you do everyday while your body changes, but rarer actions might be a problem.
If you never experienced quick change in physical strength, maybe you ever experience lifting a cardboard box that you thought was full and heavy but was actually empty. This can feel like you threw yourself off balance by putting too much effort and unconsciously positioning your center of mass to offset the expected weight of the box. It's the same problem of unconsciously anticipating the effort needed and being wrong.
You handled that comment wonderfully. Thanks for sharing your story -- it's a fascinating real world example! -- KH
I'm in a similar situation and I can say that, personally, I can't necessarily feel what I'm doing so it's difficult to judge how much force I'm applying. In that situation you typically go with some percentage of your maximum strength to do certain tasks, but when you're rapidly regaining strength it kind of throws that judgment off as well.
i like that when you put your pens down an they rolled apart you put them back together, soothed my ocd just a little
There actually is an argument that could be made for getting out of range of Star Wars weapons. Since turbolasers are not actually lasers(despite it being in the name lol), and also aren't solid mass objects like bullets or something like a railgun projectile, they will work differently.
Now with a little bit of technobabble and Legends material, we know that turbolasers, as well as basically all weapons in Star Wars, fire Ionized Plasma. Now the issue with plasma is that it would obviously disperse basically as soon as it left the gun. So if we assume that blasters work similarly to Lightsabers, in that it is actually plasma held in place by a sort of energy field, that would explain how the blaster bolts keep from dispersing, and also kinda how they interact with lightsabers the way they do. So something has to be generating this field for the bolt, presumably the gun. There would obviously be a range at which this field could be no longer be generated, and the bolt would disperse.
So, if the field strength of a blaster or turbolaser bolt breaks down over distance/time, then there would be a max range to any gun that fired using this method. I should note, literally none of what I just said has any basis in real science, and merely exists in the fictional Star Wars universe with the crazy tech they have there.
the guns could fire a small field generator engulfed in plasma, thus the source of the magnetic field travels along with the plasma.
XepherTim It would probably need a solid base in the projectile to carry the magnetic field, but since we never see solid residue after a shot, we can imagine that what is inside would evaporate on impact or as you said, after some time/distance.
I love that "turbolaser" is a "laser" (lightspeed) that is "turbo" (fast) but moves WAAAAAAAY slower than lightspeed. Because particularly fast light ends up moving slower than light. Because movies.
I think this is the actual canonical explanation.
Blaster ammo : "These power packs carried both a small electrical storage unit (such as a battery or other such device) and a quantity of compressed spin sealed Tibanna Gas"
I'm not english so I don't really understand "compressed spin sealed Tibanna Gas", I guess it's the gas that is compressed, but "spin sealed" isn't clear to me.
I didn't find anything on the speed of the projectile though.
i think its super established that hyperspace has NO time dilation ... otherwise it would make ALOT of problems
Holly they weren’t going hyper-speed for most of the movie. They were using their regular engines to fly, what seems to be, a considerable fraction of light speed. That would account for a lot of time dilation, with a just few hours at that speed giving Rey and extra week-to-month of training time.
Supplemental guide books have stated that hyperdrive-capable ships are equipped with "relativistic shielding" that nullify the issue of time dilation. What if... YODA LIVES THAT LONG BECAUSE HE ALWAYS TURNED IT OFF!? :P
There was a character from the Eu that passed through 20,000 years using a damaged hyperdrive
Hyperspace might not dilate time, but orbiting a black hole at near C orbital velocities would.......
Kylo and Rey talk to each other in real time. There's no way one of them could be under the affect of time dilation and the other not be.
Also, Fin and Rose leave and go to a third planet. Spend a couple of hours there and make it back with little time to spare. If the crew were under the affects of time dilation, F and R would have had much more time to faf about.
It's really interesting how we have these awesome, imaginative explainations for technology in the SW universe which are either unlikely (fantasy) or have laws we haven't found/taken advantage of yet (lightsabers, Force, et al), but things that are close to what we have (bombs, lasers, ion engines, solar panels) we try and make them work in our universe.
The Expanse does a great job taking a hard sci-fi approach to combat in a micro-gravity vacuum environment. Engagement ranges in hundreds kilometers, mostly with guided solid fuel torpedoes, magnetically accelerated rail guns at closer ranges (likely kms), and then point defense weapons at extremely close ranges (like those typically seen in Star Wars)
The Force causes two objects to attract or repel one another. Yoda was making the planet Dagobah repel the X-Wing. Leia was attracting herself to the ship. You can apply this to pretty much all uses of the Force.
DreXsack Exxx Yes! Exactly! If Newton's third law did apply, technically the Force would be absorbing the equal and opposite reaction, since it is the only thing causing the first action! Force-users only control it, they aren't the source of it!
I had the same thougt but you beat me to it. Although to take it further; this could explain the difference in "lifting capacity" between novice and master Jedi. The padawan is only capable of exerting force from their body onto the target object, and can not exert so much that they are moved, however a master can cause a whole planet to exert force on a target and move that target while everything else remains basically stationary.
It doesn't apply to _all_ uses of the Force, but it's a pretty good explanation for the telekinetic effects. Doesn't explain Force Lightning, though, or the sensory abilities Force sensitives have, for example.
That was my exact thought while watching these footnotes. Yoda, as a master, is basically capable of using the force, focused between the X-wing and the planet as we would use a jack to lift a car. This doesn't violate any laws and being that we don't know exactly what or how the Force is manipulated easily explains this.
J Webster force lightning?
The way i like to look at the force and newton's third law is that it does hold true, but they can use the force to redirect where the opposite force is directed. By this, yoda could lift the x wing and direct the counter force into the ground rather than bearing it with his body
I personally thought it was a whole bynch of small cells all working together
@ttry1152 cells are heavier than air though and need a medium to reside in. to get enough cells to lift a X-Wing they would have to be so many that they would be visible to the eye. like a giant vein growing out of the ground. Molecules are something different than cells. the biggest difference being: they are a minimum of 2 atoms and therefor are neither alive nor anywhere near conscious/intelligent.
@Jimanator if it was about directing where a force-vector goes, wouldn't it make more sens to take the reactive force-vector and direct it into the same direction as the causing force-vector?
Anyways:
In one of the books a padawan freezes a lake by imagining the water molecules to slow down. so by experiencing only the opposing force of one molecule at a time, yoda would not get squashed... but it would take like 900 million years to address each molecule individualy ;D
Last but not least: lets stick to Obi-Wans original explanation... the force is an energy field surounding and penetrating everything, holding the universe together...
Personal interpretation of that statement: kind of like gravity. Meaning the force does not have a will of its own. it is an equilibrium at all times. If you move an object here, the necessary force gets redistributed over all your force influence range. Kind of like the gas content of a balloon behaves when "forceing" a portion of that balloon into a specific shape.
If there were 1 million Jedi but only 2 Sith, the power of those 2 would be equal and opposing to the power oft that 1 million ... within their (1million plus 2) collective influence range.. pluse the total amount of force within all universe would also always stay the same and in an equilibrium. this would also explain how the individual powers seem to varry in such huge manners, because the number of higly capable individuals within a region and the universe as a total changes so much. By birth, death and by hyperspace travel.
Formulating the complex interconnections of this very simple concept would take like forever, so I hope this was enough information for any reader to grasp said concept withou me haveing to write a whole book ;D
It's glossed over in the movie, but Luke gets several months to train in Empire Strikes Back because the Falcon is limping along to Bespin at sublight speed.
fitzdraco that’s the same with TLJ, the rebels are running at a considerable fraction of light speed. Also giving Rey months to train.
fitzdraco actually according to the "book version of the movie" luke went back to dagobah to resume his training and RotJ takes place about a year later.
Luke learnt some party tricks. He was never anything more than a pilot, the only person he "fought" with a light saber DID NOT WANT TO KILL HIM.
- i did not realize this video was year old.
You know what is the biggest plothole of all space movies? That everytime two big spaceships encounter which other they are perfectly aligned so everyone is standing on the same axis.
It would be pretty funny that if a ship goes out from lightspeed to fight a star destroyer and it ended up beneath it and rotated so each ship's belly start shooting at the other.
Wouldn't that mean the death star, when it fires, would spin violently backwards across the galaxy - killing everyone on board and accidentally exploding more than a few planets?
A New Hope would have been like 5 minutes long
out of hyper space which isn't attained through standard means of acceleration at most it would move the death star away from the planet a moderate distance, not even reaching the distance between two planets in any small amount of time let alone flying across the galaxy
well the laser it fires would have to generate enough radiating heat that it would provide enough force to move something with a mass of probably 1 bajillion kg. And that's unlikely considering how much it would take for a lightsaber to move one almost dead human.
Harrison Wade oh God. I can see that in my head *cue memes*
I think we finally see why it had exhaust ports on the surface. Perhaps there were more of them (not just the single straight shot port) that would vent exhaust equally around the station when fired, thus dampening the force of the activation of the weapon.
In Star Wars, laser cannons and turbolasers have a maximum range, because they are firing plasma contained in an electomagnetic "force field". That field begins to decay once the plasma bolt is fired from the laser cannon. After a certain amount of time (and since they travel at a constant velocity, that also means a certain amount of distance), that field is no longer coherent enough to contain the plasma and said plasma expands out into the vacuum of space (probably in a fairly pretty bubble of light, I would imagine).
IF, as the magnetic field surrounding the plasma decays sufficiently, some of the plasma might escape before the field completely broke down, thus reducing the efficiency of the "laser blast" on impact, which is why being in the weapon's extreme range and still getting hit wouldn't be as bad as being hit at close range.
This is all just a guess, of course.
The ships being out of range meant that the first order ships were just not close enough for the laser to penetrate the resistance ships
They needed to be closer to get through the resistance defenses
Speaking of lightsaber propelled motion, don’t forget about the Lightsail which uses the momentum of light pushing on it’s reflective sails to gradually gain speed and accelerate through space.
Please do a video on the Stargates from Stargate.
7:44 thank you for that image. It is now your responsibility to use your advanced intellect to determine the optimal power drill application to get it out of my head.
11:34 But if Leaia is in space then she can’t catch on fire... no oxygen...
She has oxygen in her body
Hey, uh...... Stars are literally fireballs.
You don't need oxygen for fire. There are chemical fires, for example.
But you're right, she wouldn't catch fire, because the heat wouldn't transfer to her body.
Really, space is the only safe place to use a lightsaber.
Man Of Steel heart doesn't need a mean to be transferred, it radiates, that would heat up and ignite the molecules in Leia's body and she would burn
um stars are burning hydrogen and helium
Thanks for featuring my comment, Kyle! I really enjoy your content on this channel, and I hope my appreciation shows.
ive always liked the idea of the force being similar to electro-magnetic forces wich would make all jedis a weaker or stronger version of magneto and by focusing on the electricity side of the equation sith could throw lightning
Timothy Young it would also account for the mind-trick abilities.
A university in the US has a “God Helmet”, that induces magnetic fields onto specific parts of your brain. The vast majority of people with that simple version of the helmet, report having religious or other supernatural experiences. They feel a presence around them that is described as a Angel or friendly Alien, depending on their own interpretation.
An advanced form of that, would be the source of the Jedis mind powers, and an untapped part of Magneto’s powers repertoire.
Hey Kyle, love the videos. The paradox of The Force can be explained by a simple theory. The Force essentially allows telekinesis (with supposedly a much larger force than humanly possible). The question of a counter force in the direction opposite to the exerted force can answered with a yet another telekinetic force upon another object at a distance. So Yoda lifting the X-wing can direct the opposing force using 'The Force' on the entire planet, supposedly, thus not being buried in the swamp himself. Hope this helps.
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Nice footnotes episode Kyle.
A couple of points -
Regarding the use of the "Force", if I push buttons and pull levers in a backhoe, the force being imparted on the dirt I lift has an equal and opposite force on the backhoe, not on me. The "Force" is consistently referred to as an external, somewhat self-aware thing they're tapping into, not a power they're exerting. It's important to remember that the "Force" is not a physical force but a name some Jedi (who probably wasn't a physicist) gave to the Cosmic Plot Device. The "Force" imparts knowledge in violation of causality, imparts forces, electrical charges, manipulates biology, etc. which no one physical force could ever account for. As you mention in another episode, there is no known force that can interact with matter, and not really any space conceivable for one that fits here. But like it or not, that's where midichlorians come in. In canon, they're intelligent and connect macroscopic species (the "Living Force") to the "Cosmic Force" in something analogous to a radio connecting us to one spectrum of invisible electromagnetic waves. How the Cosmic Force in turn manipulates physical reality is pure handwavium called the Whills (yet another microbe...and no explanation as to how it does anything), but like with the controls on my backhoe example, the Jedi aren't actually exerting physical force, they're telling something else to. So when Yoda lifts the X-Wing, something else is taking that equal and opposite force. With General Leia floating in space, she could either be pulling the entire ship towards her (doubtful because that would mean all the debris was pulled too, needlessly) or she was just pulling herself towards it and the hand gesture towards the ship was just misleading.
Regarding time dilation - Hyperspace wouldn't have time dilation in the way speeds approaching light would. Hyperspace is a fantasy technology without hard facts associated with it, but we do know that nobody is getting significantly out of synch when traveling around. That said, the Raddus and Supremacy were accelerating for quite a while with very powerful engines. It's very plausible that they were going at a significant fraction of the speed of light. If we generously say it's 0.9999, Rey could have got a few months training in. Sadly, while this is fun, we know it's not the case because Rey had a conversation in real time with Kylo Ren while he was on the Supremacy close to the end of her training.
But while we're talking about fun physics ruined by in-universe dialogue, let me ask this - if the Raddus and Supremacy had been accelerating long enough to be going a significant fraction of the speed of light and instead of actually going anywhere with the Hyperdrive, Holdo just used it's inherent ability to match a ship to the relative velocity of the surrounding solar system (or a "dead stop" relative to the surrounding solar system), would the effect be the same as what we saw in the film given that the Supremacy would still be moving at a significant fraction of the speed of light?
What if the the magnetic thing of the bomb work the opposite of way you are thinking. If the ship and the bomb are the same charge. It would push each other away from themselves. Pushing the bombs to the First Order ship.
ChocoboKid like a giant bomb rail gun
That's a good theory and it would work in open space as well besides just being above a planet.
Then we just get back to the concept of propelling the bombs out like bullets. Why make it complicated with magnets? Just load them in there with a spring and be done with it.
"Maybe Wookies clean themselves... Like cats." I laughed so hard there! XD
It's so annoying how with slow internet makes it twice or three times as long yo watch the video, so I have to comment so my comment doesn't get lost in the sea of comments. I will edit this when I've watched the video:
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If time dilation happens, then how can anyone ever arrive on time to do anything relevant to any war?
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Kyle! Just because Newton's law doesn't apply to the firce doesn't mean it doesn't apply to the universe!... lemme put it in a way you will understand. What if there is some quantum mechanics (for not saying magic) in action that allow for the negation of the opposite reaction, or redirection of the opposite reaction? I would like to say that the force anchors itself to the fabric of space and uses that as a support to lift heavy objects (and do other things). The force does connect all things in the universe, after all (which also explains predicting the future). But that takes away from the mystery and power and capability of the force. The force creates freakin ghosts!
Ninja Hombrepalito if you consider near ligthspeed speeds, it would indeed be unmanageable, if a system is 2 ligth years away and with time dilation, you get there in a week, for the people on the target systems, it will still have taken you ~2years (a bit more, never less) so the urgent matter that needed your help is probably long gone !
Because...
Time dilation (or time TRAVEL into the future versus time contraction or time travel into the past) is based on the direction and speed of the traveler relative to the reference point and ITS speed and direction. When you are traveling AWAY from someone who is slower or not moving, you are traveling into their future, but the trip returning back to the reference point is moving backwards or SLOWING down in time relative to the refence point. So any two objects in the same location always share the same time, but objects moving toward or away from each other move forward or backward in time relative to the other object based on speed and direction.
All of that is to say that time travel of any meaningful type is not possible in our current models.
The time dilation thing would not work since hyperspace is a different dimension that the ship enters in order to travel faster than light
how would the bfg 9000 from doom work?
Check out the ShoddyCast episode on the BFG. The style of the video is different, but the way Austin gets to the solution is roughly the same as Kyle's.
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It would work by being a Big Fucking Gun.
And Big Fucking Gunning things down.
Alistair Arrow plasma or an energy canon. So obviously so much energy being stored its like a small atom bomb in a gun... not suitavle for reality
Man Of Steel thats just a dumb way to answer it. But okay
I like to believe Yoda isn't directly lifting the X-wing. He's commanding the Force to lift it. And since the Force is everywhere, the forces involved in lifting the X-wing is distributed through the nearby universe. So along that logic, Leia didn't push or pull herself to the ship, she commanded the Force to move her closer to the ship.
Still does not explain Luke's green milk habit.
Do some science on fallout
I'd love to see him take on the Fusion batteries/nuclear batteries, and energy weapons.
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Ehh...I think fallout kinda explains itself pretty well without kyles help.
Maybe the use of the force is super flexible. Like yoda could direct the downward force across a large area below the x-wing instead of on himself. Maybe you can choose where both the force and the opposing force goes, so leia could select herself as the recipient of the opposing force while yoda could choose something like the ground or the swamp. This could also explain why it is so hard to master the force and use it well since you have to account for two forces and their positioning to produce the effects you want.
Star wars is a movie guys. So if it's what the cannon says then that is what it is.
Ogram Brat hahaha, how did you get here ?
14:55 SOLUTION that prevents Yoda smooshing: he's also applying a force on the surrounding mass of the ground, trees, etc. This also fits well with that line saying that the force flows through all living things.
Perhaps when a Force user uses The Force to move something, they automatically or instinctively "brace" or anchor themselves using the mass around them, like when someone adjusts their feet and leans forward before pushing a desk or something. Yoda had the ground of the swamp, however far out that needed to be for the X-Wing, but Leia had almost nothing around her to anchor her or she made a conscious choice to not brace herself with the nearby debris and allow herself to be pulled like when pulling on a rope connected to a boat in still water.
Why is Kyle so fine? I mean look at those muscles.
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Maybe he lightsaber fences 😜
In the belgariad books when the main character is learning to use his will to move things he flips over a large rock and drives himself into the soil. After he is taught to exert a force in both directions to stop himself from being thrown away when moving something. Still ignores the squishing aspect but solves being pushed backwards
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I'm here to help out Yoda, even though I might be late:
He might be "outsourcing" the force applied to him. Would work as follows - Yoda applies a force on the X-Wing, the X-Wing applies a force on Yoda. Yoda then has the planet apply a force opposite to that force pushing him downwards. Since we have no idea where the opposite force is applied, something similar like this could be possible.
I mean, Doku made lightning with the force (episode 2) and Yoda applied a force to that, catching and deflecting it.
I have to say, Kyle; your shirt disappoints me..😔
Guys look at me i hate Rick and Morty! am i popular now? Please love me.
Getting popular from that drool that's called a tv show would be unsatisfying and I'm straight so if you would miss me with that homosexual feces that you are throwing. Thank you, good day!
Sean the Bawse yeah saying rick and morty isn't funny is just lying
I think that in relation to Lightsabers you are forgetting one thing;
If they have the ability/technology to contain the plasma or whatever it is that makes up the cutting power of the "laser sword", then they should also be able to contain heat and any other byproducts with similar tech.
This eliminates many of the problems you mention regarding this weapon "of a more civilized age".
In relation to the Force, and by extension super strength;
Moving larger things such as Yoda moving an X-Wing, you have to remember that that act was extremely tiring for Yoda, and I don't think it is unreasonable to say that a Force-user would be able, and thus most likely is, using the Force to counteract the "equal and opposite reaction".
My example would be;
You are holding something magnetic in one hand and the magnet in the other. Within the influence of the magnet, you have to exert the same amount of force on both objects to keep them apart, as if you lessen one of those influences, the two objects would come together, would they not?
The same thing could work for the force. We just don't SEE the opposite reaction because Force-users that learn telekinesis would learn Newton's 3rd law as a part of that, and thus be automatically adjusting.
Kind of like how when you were a baby, you had to learn to stand and walk.
I use 4 foot wide rolls of vinyl at work. One of the machines had a bad ground. The static of of that thing was unbelievable.
As for out of range in space - if I recall correctly by canonical explanation the so-called "turbolasers" are in fact - plasma cannons.
there is an issue of weaponising plasma in a way of shooting out a projectile: without a containment field it disperse very fast making it hardly any thret long before a "projectile" has a chance to reach any reasonable target. Now there was a theoretical solution populary named "selfcontainment field" or something but issue with this one is that it also dissipate "fairly" quickly severly limiting the range.
Regarding the "out of weapons range" question: Energy weapons in Star Wars don't have unlimited range anywhere because they emit light and heat the entire time they are in transit. At a certain point, they will have emitted all their energy and will just... fade away. This means that as a target moves away, it takes longer for the attack to reach it and the weapon does less damage because more and more of the energy has dissipated into space.
My problem with the Leia force pull is that everyone always says she does not have to pull that hard to move in space. That is wrong in this case because she would have to pull hard enough to more than counteract her velocity with which she was ejected away from the bridge. She has to exceed that to get back. From the scene, she is ejected at a pretty good rate of approx 10 meters per second which is 22ish miles per hour. That is the speed a very fast runner runs at. So with no training and nothing but life and death need she can pull with enough Force(pun totally intended) to not only stop something the size of a person moving at that speed but to then go beyond that and provide thrust back toward the ship. With no training we know of she is able to do this while it took Luke an extreme amount of effort to pull a lightsaber, that weighs very little compared to a person, to him when his life was on the line in ESB which took place about 3 years after ANH and the obvious self training he would do to learn the ways of the Force. I guess Obi and Yoda trained the wrong twin if she is that much stronger than Luke in the Force.
As for the bombers they are just magnetically launched from the bay doors like a short burst rail gun. So from the perspective of the bomber it will always look like they are dropping the bombs. They are still the most inefficient bombers with no defenses and would be useless in every fight unless your opponents are clueless buffoons like every military commander in TLJ seems to be and you do not bother to launch fighters at the start of an engagement like any sane commander would.
Out of range is exactly what you said. A distance where either you could easily dodge kinetic munitions or at which beam weapons would lose enough power to be rendered ineffective. For most space combat that would be in the hundred of kilometers range
Time dilation is something that if it worked in hyperspace would totally wreck the holy crap out of the Star Wars Universe, its timeline, and how everyone would do everything. Lets assume that time dilation stops and goes no further than at the rate it works at 99.999% of lightspeed even though they travel through hyperspace at millions of times the speed of light, just so we have a constant rate. At that rate, real time passes at 2236 times the speed you experience in hyperspace. You could Invest a few credits in the Galactic Stock Market or something and go tooling around the galaxy in what to you seems like a week and come out of hyperspace with 43 years having passed and thus 43 years of returns on your investement for only a week of time to you. The time we see them spend on the Falcon on the trip from Tattoine to Alderaan looked like it was a few hours or maybe a whole day. If it was 1 single hour long to them Leia was in custody for 93.16 real days and Alderaan was obliterated months before they show up. If it was a whole day..... she would have been in custody for 6.12 years and Alderaan was obliterated long enough before their arrival that children born the day it happened somewhere else would be in galactic first grade and observing a moment of space silence for the lives lost every time they have a birthday. Space truckers would live for millions of years of real time while experiencing a normal life span from their perspective. Han, being a pilot and smuggler, was probably born thousands of years ago in real time but has only experienced 25-30 years of time from his perspective. One 2 day round trip (from his certain point of view) smuggling job could mean the chick he was dating at the time could drop a near teenager off on him when he gets back when he didn't even know she was pregnant when he left not to mention she is now 12 years older and not Hans type anymore. It just breaks everything in such a way I have to assume that Hyperspace somehow does not have any form of time dilation associated with it.
Hello Kyle! Yoda took the time to explain the connections (via the force) between everything, ultimately finishing by specifically pointing out the connection between the Xwing and the land. Perhaps mastery of the force (in this way) is simply a matter of manipulating that connection. In effect, Yoda wasn't lifting the Xwing himself (and therefore getting crushed), instead the connection between the Xwing and the shore was being manipulated and the crushing equal and opposite reaction of lifting it was simply transferred to the land instead. Yoda would then bear none of the weight himself. The only strain involved would be maintaining the concentration necessary to manipulate that connection with precision when such massive forces are in play. Variations of this principal could be used to also explain various other effects seen in the series, including attracting or repelling objects both large and small without Newtons pesky laws apparently affecting the force user. Gravity manipulation, or a similar effect achieved by manipulation the electromagnetic fields that surround all things? It is perhaps something to consider.
1. Lightsaber rocket improvement: use ablation to increase thrust
2. Force smooshing: Maybe the reaction pairs aren't object and force user, but are object and object, with *both* being chosen by the user, perhaps subconsciously? That would allow x-wing/planet pairing and ship/person pairing with the difference in thought being "I need to get the x-wing out of the swamp" and "I need to get myself in that ship"
12:27 That makes sense. The starship chase occurs at high sublight speed, so time dilation could be in effect.
Your self-high-five sounded like that kid slapping the damn out of his sibling. I'm a terrible person so I laughed. 😁
You could always say that force users are able to use the force in a way that the upward force to Luke’s ship comes from the ground so the ground takes all the downward force. Yoda supplies the power and uses the force to make the ground use said power. It’s like a weird space wizard pulley system.
Interestingly enough, in WW2, when experimenting with torpedoes and different tracking methods, the problem you mention with magnets was one that submarines had. If the target was too far away, the torpedo would turn around and strike the launching ship. I don't have a source off hand on that though.
correction. Found the source
Newpower, Anthony (2006), Iron Men and Tin Fish: The Race to Build a Better Torpedo during World War II, Praeger Security International, ISBN 0-275-99032-X
In David Eddings' 'The Belgariad' series, "levitation physics" is explained. During training, the user must learn to apply pressure in multiple directions, so that a large rock can be moved instead of the user being pushed backwards. I'm not sure which book covers this, but it explains how Yoda prevents himself from becoming 'goo'.
Kyle, just a clarification. My (and most of the others I noticed) comment wasn't saying that there wasn't an equal and opposite force to the motion of the X-Wing. The point was that the force that was acting upon the X-Wing did not come from Yoda himself. Yoda merely manipulated the energy, molecules, etc. that already existed around the ship itself. In this case, the force is basically acting like a psychic remote control system. So, those equal and opposite forces would still be in effect, they'd just act as if the ship was pretty much moving under its own power (as the force that was causing the movement would be immediately surrounding it. Well, and flowing through it, as Jedi describe the force as something that flows through and between all things). We see a similar effect in the real world. Operators who remotely pilot drones aren't affected with a counter force. The drone is.
Yoda says the force is "all around us" so I think that the force lifting the X-Wing on Dagobah was coming up from beneath it (or pulling it up from above) and that force wasn't applied to Yoda, he was just controlling it with his mind, remotely. Additionally, Leia may not have pulled herself into the ship, she could have pushed herself towards it, then righted herself by applying more pushing force onto her feet as she approached.
Hey, Kyle. Love the show. I have an idea about why Yoda didn't get turned into a green grease spot. Yoda is a master of the Force, so he manipulates it to fulfill his wishes. I think he uses it on Deguba (can't spell to save my life) by having the strain of lifting a ship be directed at the ground. In the movies, they say the Force surrounds us and binds us, so a master of the Force could use it in this way, I think. It's also why Luke couldn't lift the X-Wing in my opinion, because he was trying to take the strain all himself, essentially like grabbing it and trying to pull it up on his own, while Yoda uses the strength (mass) of the planet itself. Big fan of the show. Loved you in Mythbusters: The Search. But let me know what you think about this jumble of mixed up thoughts. It fits with Newton 3rd law, having the planet pushing on the ship; the planet moves imperceptibly while the ship moves quite a lot.
To overcome the static bomb issue with the Star Wars bombers, simply use a small rod/spring mechanism mounted inside the bomb mounts, so instead of just dropping the bombs, they get pushed out with some velocity so they can continue on to the target. There would be other methods, but that's one of the fastest/cheapest designs I thought of when I saw your graphic representation of the issue.
Luke trained for several months on Dagohba,. Remember, Han, Leia, and Chewy had enough time to travel between inhabited star systems at sublight speed during his training. Even if they were only light months apart, like two suns in a binary system, it would take a long time to move between them.
Maybe they were traveling close to light speed, so they only experienced days or weeks, but it could have taken months or years.
Kyle make a analysis of Godzilla Earth like how it can produce an electromagnetic pulse around its body, how its abilities are possible or not or how if its possible to support a 300m tall 100000 ton monster with metallic plant tissue which is what Godzilla Earth's made of.Please do any type of video of Godzilla Earth.
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Wasn't it first established that in order to catchup/"run out of fuel" during a space chase both parties would have to constantly be accelerating. So even if Leia was jettisoned out front gaining that additional propulsion from the "explosion" of atmosphere, it would not take noticable long for her to be overtaken by the accelerating ship. Although in the Best case one could argue that if she got ejected in a straight line up front, she would simply get end up back in the same room she got ejected from by the ship catching up to her ;)
16:00 two possible solutions to the Yoda problem.
1) At times the ship seems to be going far slower than aerodynamic lift could keep it up. If the ship had something that allows it to more or less hover, then Yoda might've tapped into it to basically make the ship lift itself.
2)It is possible that Yoda used the force similar to how snowshoes work. These "force shoes" would spread out the force from the ship over a much larger area, keeping Yoda from sinking in. Even better, if Yoda was only a kind of conduit of the force, then the downward force of the ship would cancel the upward force from the ground. (Or would that just be 2x the stresses on his body?)
In re: the "range" issue, at some point you have to account for the accuracy of the weapons. At some distance, even being off by a degree means you could miss your target by a wide margin. So not only do the weapons lose some effectiveness at a certain distance, but at some point, you'd be statistically unlikely to hit your target. And we all know how good a stormtrooper's aim is already.
I think that Yoda just applies force to the ground when lifting x-wing so the reaction of the lifting x-wing (I mean the force) is reduced to the amount that Yoda can stand. There are 2 pairs of forces where 1 lifts x-wing, 1 smash Yoda, 1 pulls planet away from Yoda and 1 that makes Yoda fly (that smashing force and that flying are turned in different directions and that's why Yoda isn't dying when he tries to lift x-wing) (sorry for bad English)
My theory for the force is that it's a controlled exertion of all energetic matter that can be controlled via some low level. Essentially you connect with anything that exerts force and you can control that exertion. Leia can push herself through the vacuum toward the ship because she, the ship and it's inhabitants are in the plasma filled vacuum of space. Because there's enough energy to connect to via the assumed mechanics of the force, she can simply pull herself back in. On degobah Yoda can tap into the swamps heavy bacterial life presence in the atmosphere and use their energetic potential to exert force to push the ship up without breaking his own body. It's like a long winded metaphysics pulley.
When Leia is using the Force to bring herself back to the ship, she's creating force between herself and the ship, as you described. When Yoda is using the Force to lift the X-wing, he's creating force between the "land and the ship" as he says moments before when telling look that it's no different than moving the rocks. Since he's not applying force to himself, it wouldn't crush him. That being said, he also said that "size matters not" so either he means that the difference in mass between a ship and a rock is insignificant compared to the energy of the Force, (which is more in line with Jedi in the Clone Wars tv show struggling to lift larger objects with the Force) or, how it may have originally been intended, that mass does not make a difference. You're not lifting things in a traditional way, it's more like creating space between objects. Though they're not creating space the way space expands, because they're within atmospheres. If it is more like creating space, I don't know how that would work.
It would be interesting to do a bit on the iron giants regenerating ability.
Actually, releasing the bombs in a gravity-absent zone wouldn't leave them floating in place. They would actually move forward at the velocity that they were released at (just like what you explained with the ship passing Leaia). Now, this would obviously be super ineffective unless you were flying towards the ship and were EXTREMELY close, as the bombs themselves have no guidance nor acceleration, but they are at least moving somewhere instead of just floating in limbo...for better or worse. Small correction, but thought I'd mention it anyway.
For the Yoda getting squashed questions: I would of thought that is part of learning the force, how to redirect the opposite forces when using the force. that is how you can have some characters more adapt at using different portions of it.
i think the reason why yoda doesnt get squished is because everyone seems to think that a force user can only apply force on one thing at a time, when yoda (being a master jedi) very well could be applying force to both the x wing and the planet hes standing on. it isnt beyond the realm of possibility that yoda could be pushing down on the planet itself while pulling up on the x wing. he could even have been applying force to himself to hold him still instead of pushing on the planet. it is not explicitly stated anywhere im aware of that the force can only be applied in one direction or to a single item at a time.
At least I'm a Super Nerd in my mind. I took a decent stab at how you could have the Force without being crushed, while still preserving the 3rd Law. Oh well.
I wonder also with projectiles there may be a limit to the ability to predict the flight path of them (variation of the n-body problem)?
(Note: for this sentence to read correctly and make sense, Force, with a capital F, refers to Jedi magic, and "force" with a lower case reference to real world force.)
My thought is this: Newton's Third Law DOES apply, but the Force it's self is what it's applied to, not the user. And this can actually be seen throughout the series; when ever a user applies the Force, faint shock waves and sound waves ripples throughout the air it's self, almost no matter what power is being used, with a few exceptions, like Force Speed. I say sound waves and shock waves are the Force being reacted to by the force, and thus the third law. When Force push is used, for example, the force of the Force hits the target, and the force of the impact reacts oppositely on the air around the target.
That explains both the physics of Yoda surviving and potentially Leia as well. We could assume that she's manipulating both the air AND the ship, so that the force of the Force is reacting on her body instead of the air; or even that she is simply using an unknown Force power that draws the user towards the target, instead of the target towards the user.
We COULD also assume that Leia, having 20+ years to practice, is simply a strong force user and is in fact using Force Pull on the ship and dragging IT towards her, not the other way around. And if the extended universe is to be used, it's not that implausible; with training form Luke, Leia did become a fairly powerful force wielder, at least on par with some of the weakest Masters from the Clone Wars era.
not to be "that guy" but pls like so Kyle sees? I'd like to know his thoughts, and my comments are never seen. No? Okay. :c
Yoda does say that everything is connected through the Force. Maybe that's a poetic way of saying that the Force can act between any combination of objects.
perhaps. i've always taken it more as the force is basically oxygen, but that is most likely true, as well, even if that isn't actually what yoda meant.
Maybe the whole issue with sinking into the loose Dagobah mud and avoiding being crushed was why the act of lifting the X-wing was such a good training exercise, and considered so difficult in the first place? The force doesn't have a visual indication of its use other than the direct effects, so it's possible that lifting the X-wing was more complex than just "Lifting it", so to speak.
Perhaps it required using "the force" to not only provide the seen lifting force, but to also apply opposing kinetic forces in all places necessary (like the water it was submerged in (because water's heavy, so moving it out of the way is easier than lifting it along with the X-wing), the bones and tissues of the jedi, and the ground) to spread out the stress of lifting it over a large enough area to not harm the Jedi or the environment.
Think a suspension bridge made of kinetic energy supplied by the force user - they're not making forces or energy "Disappear", they're just spreading it out over a MUCH greater area than we're assuming because we can't see what they're actually doing - just the results of what they're doing.
Hell, it's possible "Force Flight" (as in flying in an atmosphere, not in space) isn't actually Flying at all, but instead the Jedi using the force to massively increase the air-density underneath them while spreading their total mass over a greater area to produce a buoyant force, kinda like a blimp (Which would explain why Jedi seem so... floaty? when they can fly occasionally) - and if that's true pulling yourself to something in a vacuum is REALLY simple in comparison.
The Leaia/Raddus velocity explanation undermines the gravity function of the bombs. If an astronaut in the ISS slowly steps out of an airlock, they don't just plummet to the Earth. They float with the station at the same orbital speed and direction. Yes, they will slowly float away from the station in an ever diverging orbit, but only with whatever initial velocity they had leaving the station.
In the TLJ, open the bomb bay doors and the bombs should just fall to the floor of the ship just like Paige and the remote control. Star Wars ships appear to have some kind of artificial gravity flooring/field so maybe the artificial gravity in the ship helps to give the bombs some downward momentum before exiting. The distance they fall before exiting the hull isn't much though, leaving only a brief time to gain any velocity. This would also imply that the highest racked bombs should be moving noticeably faster and in different trajectories outside of the ship than the lowest.
It is nearly impossible to calculate because we don't know the orbital altitudes or speeds of any of the ships or their masses, the relative velocities or distances of the bombers to the First Order ship, the internal gravitational strength of the bombers or that of the planet itself. The bombs should appear to an observer to slowly fall out in a diagonal cloud, heading mostly in the same forward direction as the bombers and slightly downward.
Yoda was using his control of the force to do the opposite of what Leia was doing, without himself in the middle. Yoda wasn't the second body that the force was acting on when he lifted the x-wing. It was the planet itself. Where as Leia used the "Spontaneous Disembodied Generation of Attraction Between Two Bodies" ability, her targets being herself and her ship, Yoda used the "Spontaneous Disembodied Generation of Repulsion Between Two Bodies" ability, his targets being the X-wing and Dagobah, So as far as telekinetic control of bodies in motion go, pretty sure Newton's Laws will still hold their own ( And yes I am assuming Yoda used Angular Deflection to redirect the Angle of Incidence in order to steer the X-wing where it needed to go)
Let's not forget that in A New Hope, Luke used the Force to completely change the momentum of a proton torpedo after a couple of hours of Obi-Wan training him (assuming that's the time it took the Falcon to travel through hyperspace to get to the ruined Alderaan from Tatooine). I think that's a better achievement than beating up a guy who's holding in his intestines after being shot by a bowcaster.
I almost wrote that the inverse square law doesn't apply to lasers, but I looked it up and apparently, it does! Who knew? I learned something from you today, Kyle! Very cool.
A lot of people constantly talk about Hyperspace and lightspeed as if they are synonymous. And even though they do use the term "lightspeed" in star wars, it's been "explained" that hyperspace is not the same space that everybody in the galaxy exists in. You aren't actually traveling at lightspeed or anywhere near it. I don't really know the exact theoretical sci-fi explanation off the top of my head, but I have looked into it before. One thing I do remember, however, is that objects in hyperspace can still interact with objects in normal space. Which is why there are hyperspace lanes (or something like that) and why computers are used to plot a safe course so as not to smash into a planet.
And besides, if they were actually traveling at lightspeed, it would take AGES UPON AGES to go anywhere in the galaxy. Hell, our closest neighboring star is Proxima Centauri at about 4.22 light years away, with Alpha Centauri A and B just a tad farther (heh...tad...space. A tad is really big at this scale)...but I digress, they can't be traveling only at the speed of light because of how long it would take to get anywhere in their galaxy, and they certainly can't BE traveling at the speed of light because...well wouldn't they all get squished under their own infinite mass? Either way, time dilation wouldn't apply since they aren't actually traveling anywhere near the speed of light...I think...
here we go, I found an explanation of hyperspace. And it looks like I was wrong about one thing, you do initially have to get close to lightspeed to enter the hyperspace dimension. Not sure how close, but anyway, video! ua-cam.com/video/7W2JJZbkPD0/v-deo.html
If the Force is some kind of energy field, and it's a field that Force-users can tap into to generate physical effects (like the extra lifting force necessary to unearth an X-Wing), I think it makes sense that the exchange can go both ways: any downward force Yoda experiences can be converted back into "forcions" or whatever, preventing him from sinking too much into the ground.
I think the reason why Yoda doesn't turn himself into chunky salsa when he lifts the X-Wing is that he is doing more than just lifting the fighter. He could also be reinforcing the ground around him and distributing the opposite force down into it instead of himself.
The way I understand how the force works is that when Yoda was lifting the x wing, there is like an invisible string pulling the x wing up. When she's "I'm Marry Popins y'all", the string is between her a ff the ship
For the magnetic fields decrease over radius, the inverse cube ratio only stay true for bipolar magnets. If you have a tri-polar magnet, it becomes invert fourth power of the distance, and invert fifth power for a quadri-polar magnet.
In fact, it's always 1/(radius^(1+number of poles))
i think they use 'magnetic targeting' more like a low powered railgun, they use repellant force to 'eject' the bombs out of the bay which would give them enough velocity to stay on target, would also explain why they seem to accelerate off those rails rather quickly
Correction for your correction. You said if the bomber was going up and there was no planet the bomb would just sit there. But it would keep going at the velocity and direction it was released at away from its target.
the force counter to Yoda lifting the X-Wing, is being applied to the ground at the bottom of the pond, he even says that the Force is between things like a rock and the ground
Maybe the force works in a way, that you can assign (choose) what the opposite force is assigned to? I think that fixes all the problems, so, when joda pushes the x-wing up, he applies opposite force to the planet (the ground) like some virtual spring.. And when Leia pushes herself towards the ship, she chooses herself as the opposite force, so the newton's third law still applies..
6:38 I'm suddenly reminded of a G. I Joe character called Sci-Fi who fires a Laser Rifle --in his filecard it actually addresses that a laser rifle, not properly aimed or used, is about "as useful as a big warm flashlight"...
About that Yoda thing:
What if the "Force" Yoda exerted was into the surface of the planet, then it traveled along the surface of the planet until it reached the X-Wing and then was exerted from the ground and wedged between the surface and the X-Wing, causing the X-Wing to rise?
Furthermore, perhaps we can assume (from a movie perspective) that the Force is able to propagate on its own. So, for example, Yoda would impose his "will" onto the Force, which would only have a small net force in and of itself, but then the Force itself would propagate and grow and expand on its own as it interacted with everything around it (like the Force is explained to do in the first place). Thinking about it like that, then the extreme opposite force exerted would be received by the Force itself.
Like making multiple waves in water and then the waves combine with each other to create a larger force as one than you exerted individually for each.
Twins aren’t born at the same time. Sometimes it can take hours between births. Depends on which point you consider age to begin I guess. 🤷♂️
During your explanation of the lightsaber engine, I thought of metamaterials, and wondered "What if the forcefield that holds back the plasma also blocked all non-visible wavelengths of light?" You would then not cook the wielder of the lightsaber, and only things that the lightsaber was plunged into would heat up due to convection, because radiation was blocked off.
"You would need super, super strong magnets..."
In Star Wars, you can fit super powerful magnetic field generators AND plasma generators in something, that is size of a tiny flashlight.
About that projectile range, also spaceships were accelerating, bullets not. So after bullet would travel some distance, it's target would already accelerate by a lot, reducing relative velocity of a bullet and kinetic force this bullet would apply, upon impact.
When Yoda was teaching Luke ways of the force, he told him to not lift X-Wing using force between his hand and ship. He told him to feel force between ground and ship, and thus lift him. You totally can use force between all objects, your body aswell. Luke was just too stubborn to understand by than, that force is reaction between all objects in the universe, not just the force user, and something else. This is further supported by the fact, that lightning was shot from the sky, not Yoda's ghost body.
The force could act like a pulley or set of gears in a way that makes the movements slow but can create massive changes
The force isn't attached to the individual, the force Yoda is using to lift the X-wing is being dispersed over an area separate from Yoda, or rather an area comprising Yoda and literally everything else, force wielders don't manifest the force they simply focus it into action.
Given this your explanation still works by the way, I imagine force pulling a light saber is kinda like tethering the lightsaber to your hand with the force, you can contract or expand the amount of force between the saber and your hand as needed, but once grasped it will always pull toward that hand, tethering is not necessary to use the force, as stated, but its easy enough of a concept most beginners could pick it up, like Luke at zero hours training pulling his saber from the snow on Hoth, or Leia at ?? hours training (because its been years why wouldn't she pick up the basics) on the ship, this would also explain why Luke treated lifting the ship as a physical activity, he tethered the force between him and the X-wing, and as such he was having that force applied directly to him.
Note to the laser and range comment: Every laser beam has an angle at which the outer beams if you will move away from each other. It's like a cone. This is called beam divergence. It is physically not possible to make a laser with perfectly parallel light. The reason for that is the aperture (where the beam exits the laser cavity) and the intrinsic wavelike properties of light. So the light will always be scattered on the aperture. The narrower the aperture the bigger the divergence angle. So if you have a laser beam the width of a football it will stay 'smaller' longer. While one that is the width of a hair starts smaller but diverges a lot qicker.
This is actually a reason to only use beam weapons in space. They will be non dangerous after a certain distance. But ballistic projectiles travel basically forever and may one day hit something they were never intended to hit.
Ok, I have watched both videos and have one thing to say that everyone completely missed in the space chase, all the ships are under constant acceleration if the engines are burning fuel, KSP even gets this right and it then makes perfect sense that any ship that ran out of fuel would appear to fall behind the rest. If there is any plot hole in that scene it would be that the ships that ran out of fuel would appear to accelerate towards the first order ships in the frame of reference of the viewer following the chase. Also you could calculate the acceleration of the vessels and see that over that period of time they may have exceeded or approached the speed of light under the constant acceleration and that may have caused a great deal of time dilation to the fleet and the first order chasing them.
I’m also pretty sure it’s canon that Yoda can use the Force to jump higher. He can also lift objects with out turning himself into green goo. This suggests that the Force user can decide whether the equal and opposite reaction affects him or not.
I think by “magnetically propelled” what they mean is that the bombs are in what amounts to be almost a large rail gun. Magnets turning on and off to propel the bombs in a direction
"Maybe wookiees clean themselves... like cats." *light saber drop*
Bomber correction: Are you all forgetting the rather obvious part; the ship clearly had some kind of gravity generator, as that girl fell down the ladder and onto a platform at the bottom. So whatever gravity field generation they had, would provide a gravity field for the bombs to drop, and then newtons laws of motion would be fine. Unless the field had a centre of mass somewhere below the ship, in which case the bombs would likely bob back up after. But still, clear gravity on the ship,
On the Yoda/Newton's 3rd law thing: Why does Yoda have to be the focal point? Whose to say that he isn't creating a Force hydraulic jack beneath the x-wing? In this case, the opposite force would be directed down and the Force is being used to create an invisible construct that lifts things. That's how I always saw it, not as an extension of Yoda's arm but just creating an upward force beneath the x-wing.