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@@mekrn7014 the proctor literally stated “the patient remains pulseless”. To me, that equals a team member palpating a pulse and not finding one. Rewatch that part of the video.
In regards to the patient's allocation after ROSC has been achieved: I would not send them to the ICU. She initially presented with symptoms typical of acute coronary syndrome, making it the most likely reversible cause of cardiac arrrest (which it usually is in adults anyway). She should be routed directly to the catheter lab for emergent PTCA and only after that moved to an ICU. Any desired additional instrumentation, such as an arterial line or central line, can be established still in the ED while waiting for the cathlab to get ready or it can wait until after the intervention. Time is muscle.
Why would we not check for pulse first @1:44? I know the monitor says vfib and they did lose consciousness, but I thought we would at least check for a pulse for min 5 seconds before CPR? Thanks for the clarification.
Did I miss something or did the anti-arrhythmic get pushed prior to 3rd defib? Understandable that this happens sometimes and usually should not negatively affect the outcome however (unless I’m mistaken on the video’s content) this is a deviation from the simplistic AHA cardiac arrest algorithm; i.e. the simplest form for this reference to be “shock, shock, epi, shock, amio/lido”.
AHA recommends cpr then defib then epi q 3-5 m. If you defib after each cpr for the first 2 cprs, that is already 6 m past and epi still has not been given. perhaps what is good is cpr the defib then cpr then first epi then cpr then defib then cpr then second epi then cpr then defib. that would be the first 5 cpr cycles that would be well organized and structured, with epi being given q 3-5 m. The last ecg @6:23 looks bradycardic, why not atropine 0.5 mg iv, instead of amiodarone?
Hi Ed Mar, good questions. Yes guidelines have us administering epi after the 2nd pulse check, it is not necessary to complete a full round of CPR before the first pulse check, early defibrillation is key in VF & pVT. In an ED or ICU with well trained staff this should take no more than a minute to accomplish. Add another 2 minutes for the next pulse check +/- defib, and your time before the first epi should be around 3-4 minutes. Epi is good for ROSC but please read this article for more info www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6330609/ . The rhythm at 6:23 is NSR. Amiodarone was selected after ROSC due to the initial deterioration into VF. I do not like where this video leaves off however, I would like an EKG since one was not obtained before deterioration to determine whether a STEMI precipitated this, hopefully bringing the pt to cath lab instead of the floor.
@@kylecancilla5483 I agree. The 2020 AHA ACLS Providers Manual states on pg.158, "No evidence supports continued prophylactic administration of antiarrhythmic medications once the patient achieves ROSC." Other things we could consider in Post Cardiac Arrest Care include: - Targeted Temperature Management of 32-36C for 24h - treat hypotension if SBP is below 90mmHg (not applicable here) - titrate O2 when on the ventilator to 92-98% - other things like glucose management, prophylactic antibiotics, neuroprotective agents, or routine use of steroids But again, no mention of amiodarone infusion...
since defib is q5 cycles of CPR (or 2 min), does that mean CPR at: - 1:40 (before 1st defib) - 2:17 (after 1st, before 2nd defib) - 3:55 (after 2nd defib) ...there were 5 cycles of CPR but the video just didn't mention it? *not trying to be picky, just want clarification because I was confused about the timeline of cpr and defib*
My issue with this is that the ACLS algorithm has the drugs being administered during the CPR - a shock always follows CPR if the rhythm is shockable. So which way is it on the test???
Amiodarone is an antiarrhythmic and slows the sinus heart rate. The rhythm looks to be sinus bradycardia. I would think Atropine 0.5mg IV bolus would be next step. Patient isn't really stable yet. But is Atropine not considered because the BP systolic is over 90mmHg?
Hai, the rhythm after ROSC is Sinus Rhythm. Why Amiodarone? To prevent another cardiac arrhythmia since the patient ECG was 1. Sinus Rhythm with PVC (early sign) 2. Then she went into VF 3. After she went into VT After being given a few meds and shock to maintain the heart in the sinus is with Amiodarone cause we don't want it happening again. Then after we could investigate why does she went into those rhythms in the first place properly. That's my opinion tho.
Yes, the rhythm looks like bradycardia but giving IV Atropine won't help the arrhythmias. Cause later it can cause another arrhythmia. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Watching this at 11pm for my ACLS test in the morning. So easy to understand, thank you!!!
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After you see VT on your monitor, next step should be to look for the pulse.
Same thought and answer, agreed.
She said it was a pulse less rhythm. So she assumed you already checked for pulse, next step is defibrillate.
@@DonPedroIXIV She didn't say it was a pulseless rhythm though.
@@mekrn7014 the proctor literally stated “the patient remains pulseless”. To me, that equals a team member palpating a pulse and not finding one.
Rewatch that part of the video.
@@stephenviggiano1610 that would be true... if she prompted it. she never said it.
In regards to the patient's allocation after ROSC has been achieved: I would not send them to the ICU. She initially presented with symptoms typical of acute coronary syndrome, making it the most likely reversible cause of cardiac arrrest (which it usually is in adults anyway). She should be routed directly to the catheter lab for emergent PTCA and only after that moved to an ICU. Any desired additional instrumentation, such as an arterial line or central line, can be established still in the ED while waiting for the cathlab to get ready or it can wait until after the intervention. Time is muscle.
As an ACLS and BLS instructor, these are great for students to review before or after a course :)
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Why would we not check for pulse first @1:44? I know the monitor says vfib and they did lose consciousness, but I thought we would at least check for a pulse for min 5 seconds before CPR? Thanks for the clarification.
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Correction please, when the rhythm is asystole,we give Epinephrine ASAP then resume CPR immediately.
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You have already given 450 mg of ami. WHY would you do an ami drip after ROSC?
I completely agree, amidro infusion is not indicated here
Did I miss something or did the anti-arrhythmic get pushed prior to 3rd defib?
Understandable that this happens sometimes and usually should not negatively affect the outcome however (unless I’m mistaken on the video’s content) this is a deviation from the simplistic AHA cardiac arrest algorithm; i.e. the simplest form for this reference to be “shock, shock, epi, shock, amio/lido”.
AHA recommends cpr then defib then epi q 3-5 m. If you defib after each cpr for the first 2 cprs, that is already 6 m past and epi still has not been given.
perhaps what is good is cpr the defib then cpr then first epi then cpr then defib then cpr then second epi then cpr then defib. that would be the first 5 cpr cycles that would be well organized and structured, with epi being given q 3-5 m.
The last ecg @6:23 looks bradycardic, why not atropine 0.5 mg iv, instead of amiodarone?
I agree with this comment . Will like to see more of the rationale for the answers. Haven’t seen amiodarone given during bradycardia.
Also hasn't the max q24 dose of amio already been given? Is it safe to start a drip?
Hi Ed Mar, good questions. Yes guidelines have us administering epi after the 2nd pulse check, it is not necessary to complete a full round of CPR before the first pulse check, early defibrillation is key in VF & pVT. In an ED or ICU with well trained staff this should take no more than a minute to accomplish. Add another 2 minutes for the next pulse check +/- defib, and your time before the first epi should be around 3-4 minutes. Epi is good for ROSC but please read this article for more info www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6330609/ . The rhythm at 6:23 is NSR. Amiodarone was selected after ROSC due to the initial deterioration into VF. I do not like where this video leaves off however, I would like an EKG since one was not obtained before deterioration to determine whether a STEMI precipitated this, hopefully bringing the pt to cath lab instead of the floor.
@@kylecancilla5483 the 450 mg given is well under the max dose of 2.2 g/24hr. 900 mg will be infused with a standard infusion without bolus.
@@kylecancilla5483 I agree. The 2020 AHA ACLS Providers Manual states on pg.158, "No evidence supports continued prophylactic administration of antiarrhythmic medications once the patient achieves ROSC."
Other things we could consider in Post Cardiac Arrest Care include:
- Targeted Temperature Management of 32-36C for 24h
- treat hypotension if SBP is below 90mmHg (not applicable here)
- titrate O2 when on the ventilator to 92-98%
- other things like glucose management, prophylactic antibiotics, neuroprotective agents, or routine use of steroids
But again, no mention of amiodarone infusion...
since defib is q5 cycles of CPR (or 2 min), does that mean CPR at:
- 1:40 (before 1st defib)
- 2:17 (after 1st, before 2nd defib)
- 3:55 (after 2nd defib)
...there were 5 cycles of CPR but the video just didn't mention it?
*not trying to be picky, just want clarification because I was confused about the timeline of cpr and defib*
Recertification is tomorrow. Awesome review material.
Thank you so much very valuable and benefitial
At 1:43 why would the answer not be A) attach defibrillator pads? I thought immediate defibrillation was the go to for V-fib?
CPR always comes first once a pulse is undetected but someone else should be getting the pads ready asap to put on while the CPR is happening.
If the monitor is showing a vt we should check the central pulse ryt
Why after rosc we give amiodarone infusion
So with pulseless V-tach & Vfib you can give cycle of epi & amiadrone until stopping CPR?
My issue with this is that the ACLS algorithm has the drugs being administered during the CPR - a shock always follows CPR if the rhythm is shockable. So which way is it on the test???
2ND dose of amiodarone is 150 or 300mg?
150
300 mg initial, 150 mg bolus
thank you very much.
I don’t know what any of this means, but it’s interesting
I dont get the last step, amiodarone infusion. can somone explain this to me? what algorhitm is that?
Yes, can someone explain the last recommendation for the amio infusion?
Its in the AHA algorithm. You want to put to put them on a 1 mg/kg infusion over 6 hours
Amiodarone is an antiarrhythmic and slows the sinus heart rate. The rhythm looks to be sinus bradycardia. I would think Atropine 0.5mg IV bolus would be next step. Patient isn't really stable yet. But is Atropine not considered because the BP systolic is over 90mmHg?
Hai, the rhythm after ROSC is Sinus Rhythm. Why Amiodarone?
To prevent another cardiac arrhythmia since the patient ECG was
1. Sinus Rhythm with PVC (early sign)
2. Then she went into VF
3. After she went into VT
After being given a few meds and shock to maintain the heart in the sinus is with Amiodarone cause we don't want it happening again.
Then after we could investigate why does she went into those rhythms in the first place properly.
That's my opinion tho.
Yes, the rhythm looks like bradycardia but giving IV Atropine won't help the arrhythmias. Cause later it can cause another arrhythmia.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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