I worked at a rifle range as a kid. When I was 15 years old, I bought a M77, 7mm from a guy who could not get it to group. I got a good rifle shooter to shoot it and he shot a 100 yard group you could cover with a dime. I use a lead sled to site in all my rifles so I can take the human factor out of the equation when siting in. I just bought another M77, 30-06 that was pretty beat up. I’m going to use it as an everyday carry rifle on my ranch for Ferrel Hogs.
I believe since the scope is adjusted all the way down and still shooting high, take a larger target and aim dead center. See where the bullet hits and knowing that it's going to be high, place the cross hairs back on the bullseye and hold it there. Then while looking through the scope and keeping the rifle still on the bullseye, adjust your cross hairs up to the bullet hole. Next shot should be pretty close to point of aim
you were placing the barrel of the .270 directly on the rest, affecting accuracy. Try to set the rest nearer the action, leaving forend of the stock floating, as with the .30-06. Check if the rings of your 30-06 are correctly placed. If the rear ring is mounted on the front, your scope will be angled too high .
I watched and needed to comment since I have the same setup. First, that is NOT a junk scope. Yes, it is an older Bushnell, but made when they were produced by Bausch & Lomb with good, clear, quality glass. On that particular scope, you must use a coin or screwdriver to remove the top cap of the elevation turret and REMOVE the little internal BDC ring. Then you can access the silver internal elevation knob and you will get MUCH more adjustment room. Then, after you zero the rifle using that internal knob, replace the BDC ring with the appropriate yardage of your zero showing in the little window and tighten down the top screw. BAM you can now rapidly adjust your rifle to different ranges with ease. I have the same model scope on a 1982 M77 in 7mm Rem Mag and it shoots nice tight groups with ease. Enjoy that scope and DON'T just throw it away!
I have several of these rifles. I float the barrel add a little epoxy on the front of the action. Then by reloading a round that the gun likes they shoot tight groups. Over the years I have had a few scopes go bad. A bad scope will drive you nuts.
I love Rugers and own four M77s and love them. The scope rings on the 270 are too high, you need the next shorter size. The RL lightweight guns are not as accurate as the regular line but not usually as bad as yours. 2. You could bore sight those guns and get the scope at least close. Put a target closer, like 25 yards and take the bolt out of the action. Look down the bore of the barrel and center the target, look in the scope (without moving the gun) and see where the scope is pointed. Adjust the scope to center the target and start from there.
I have found that some cheap scopes don't hold the zero when mounted on a hard recoiling rifle. A light weight 30/06 is a hard recoiling rifle. Not sure that scope and rings is a good match for that rifle. I sure like that rifle.
It wouldn't surprise me if you're right. I went ahead and invested in quality for both of my .30-06s, Leupold naturally. I never have issues with wandering zero or other unexpected nasties.
Ruger scope rings are different heights for front and back receiver positions, one of the correct "matching pair" being taller than the other. Perhaps these got switched? Ruger rings are different in that a set contains two different heights. There is a front and a rear ring.
Back in '83 I ordered a Mod. 77R. Could have had any caliber Ruger offered the 77R in for the same price but I chose one that never got the accolades of the 270 nor the old '06... I chose the 280 Rem., mainly because I was an avid handloader and the 280 Rem (7mm Express Rem.) offered a better bullet selection for handloading, and it never let me down. After 40 years of standing the test of time, I recently passed it down to my son.
take that turret of the top it looks like it has got a long range turret on it just undo the screw in the center and the top will lift off then put the screw back on .
Ok on the 30-06 scope. Most scopes that have a yardage adjustment are made for a specific load. Try going heavier in bullet weight. 180s maybe even 220s.
1) Only rest the forend on the front bag. 2) Get a much better scope on that .30-06, preferably something in the quality level of a Leupold. 3) You will have a much easier time picking up your brass (not to mention not dinging it up) by cupping your left hand up under the action far enough to gently restrain the brass as you work your bolt rearward slowly. That brass can be reloaded, if not by you, then certainly a friend would eagerly accept it. I have a 1988-manufactured M77 in .30-06 with open sights, with a VX-3i scope on top, and it will squeeze five of my reloads using the Barnes TTSX just inside 1" @ 100 yards. The only thing I did to modify the rifle was to carefully glass bed the recoil lug.
To expand on that place the rifle in a rest without the bolt in it. Looking through the barrel adjust rifle so the barrel is centred at 25 yards. Adjust scope to match. Fire a shot and confirm. If close to dead on you will cut paper at 100 yards.
Get a big piece of paper and get it dead on at 25 yards I've known Scopes to fail, if you can't get it to adjust properly at 25 get you a new scope nice rifles though🙂
... Ruger started making their own barrels around 1991 when the MKII version of the model 77 came out and barrel quality became much better and more consistent ... before that the barrels were contracted out and quality was "hit & miss" ...so part of your accuracy problem could be less than stellar quality barrel(s) ... I would reinstall the scopes (or even better have a gunsmith do it) and bore sight them before the next sight in attempt
Easy fix buy a quality scope . I have a few m77 in 270 and wasted my money on cheaper scopes 270s killed them . Tasco redfield Bushnell Sterling and even a weaver. I would only now use styner svorski burras Leopold on rifles over 308
Watch desert dog UA-cam channel. He’s got the best information on the Ruger M77 Factory problems on accuracy. Recoil log torque at 95 inch pounds. Bolts were of poor metallurgy and needed replacing Also bedding the stock helps a lot. Usually scope isn’t the problem!!
very poor grouping/check your action/stock bolts. if that doesnt fix anything, try a different brand of ammo. if that does not improve groups, your scope may be defective.
On that 30-06 there may not be the clearance to reduce the ring height and still keep the scope from sitting on the barrel. But yes lower rings are best when usable. I hate the idea of the high rings that allow you to use the iron sights underneath.
THE M77 IS KNOWN TO SHOOT ALL OVER THE PLACE I SHOT MANY RIFFLES BUT M77 ALWAYS SHOOTS ALL OVER THE PLACE TO BE HONEST MY AK-47 SHOOTS BETTER THAN MY RUGER M77 270 WINCHESTER.
I worked at a rifle range as a kid. When I was 15 years old, I bought a M77, 7mm from a guy who could not get it to group. I got a good rifle shooter to shoot it and he shot a 100 yard group you could cover with a dime. I use a lead sled to site in all my rifles so I can take the human factor out of the equation when siting in. I just bought another M77, 30-06 that was pretty beat up. I’m going to use it as an everyday carry rifle on my ranch for Ferrel Hogs.
I believe since the scope is adjusted all the way down and still shooting high, take a larger target and aim dead center. See where the bullet hits and knowing that it's going to be high, place the cross hairs back on the bullseye and hold it there. Then while looking through the scope and keeping the rifle still on the bullseye, adjust your cross hairs up to the bullet hole. Next shot should be pretty close to point of aim
Thank you for the info, I will certainly try that
you were placing the barrel of the .270 directly on the rest, affecting accuracy. Try to set the rest nearer the action, leaving forend of the stock floating, as with the .30-06. Check if the rings of your 30-06 are correctly placed. If the rear ring is mounted on the front, your scope will be angled too high .
You are the man. I appreciate the info
@@gunlocker7562 Just got some experience with M77s. It's also important to verify the front screw torque, should be 95 foot pounds.
Make sure front sling stud doesn’t catch as well…. Will cause major inconsistencies.
@@eduardoolaechea inch pounds
I watched and needed to comment since I have the same setup. First, that is NOT a junk scope. Yes, it is an older Bushnell, but made when they were produced by Bausch & Lomb with good, clear, quality glass. On that particular scope, you must use a coin or screwdriver to remove the top cap of the elevation turret and REMOVE the little internal BDC ring. Then you can access the silver internal elevation knob and you will get MUCH more adjustment room. Then, after you zero the rifle using that internal knob, replace the BDC ring with the appropriate yardage of your zero showing in the little window and tighten down the top screw. BAM you can now rapidly adjust your rifle to different ranges with ease. I have the same model scope on a 1982 M77 in 7mm Rem Mag and it shoots nice tight groups with ease.
Enjoy that scope and DON'T just throw it away!
I have several of these rifles. I float the barrel add a little epoxy on the front of the action. Then by reloading a round that the gun likes they shoot tight groups. Over the years I have had a few scopes go bad. A bad scope will drive you nuts.
I love Rugers and own four M77s and love them. The scope rings on the 270 are too high, you need the next shorter size. The RL lightweight guns are not as accurate as the regular line but not usually as bad as yours. 2. You could bore sight those guns and get the scope at least close. Put a target closer, like 25 yards and take the bolt out of the action. Look down the bore of the barrel and center the target, look in the scope (without moving the gun) and see where the scope is pointed. Adjust the scope to center the target and start from there.
I have found that some cheap scopes don't hold the zero when mounted on a hard recoiling rifle. A light weight 30/06 is a hard recoiling rifle. Not sure that scope and rings is a good match for that rifle. I sure like that rifle.
It wouldn't surprise me if you're right.
I went ahead and invested in quality for both of my .30-06s, Leupold naturally.
I never have issues with wandering zero or other unexpected nasties.
Ruger scope rings are different heights for front and back receiver positions, one of the correct "matching pair" being taller than the other. Perhaps these got switched? Ruger rings are different in that a set contains two different heights. There is a front and a rear ring.
Back in '83 I ordered a Mod. 77R. Could have had any caliber Ruger offered the 77R in for the same price but I chose one that never got the accolades of the 270 nor the old '06... I chose the 280 Rem., mainly because I was an avid handloader and the 280 Rem (7mm Express Rem.) offered a better bullet selection for handloading, and it never let me down. After 40 years of standing the test of time, I recently passed it down to my son.
Very cool
take that turret of the top it looks like it has got a long range turret on it just undo the screw in the center and the top will lift off then put the screw back on .
Ok on the 30-06 scope. Most scopes that have a yardage adjustment are made for a specific load. Try going heavier in bullet weight. 180s maybe even 220s.
Sweet rifles, really like the 270!
First thing I would do is get rid of the Bushnell scope. Get a Burris or Leupold, which are mid-range on price and vary good quality.
... why are you resting the barrel of the gun on the bag instead of the forearm?
1) Only rest the forend on the front bag.
2) Get a much better scope on that .30-06, preferably something in the quality level of a Leupold.
3) You will have a much easier time picking up your brass (not to mention not dinging it up) by cupping your left hand up under the action far enough to gently restrain the brass as you work your bolt rearward slowly. That brass can be reloaded, if not by you, then certainly a friend would eagerly accept it.
I have a 1988-manufactured M77 in .30-06 with open sights, with a VX-3i scope on top, and it will squeeze five of my reloads using the Barnes TTSX just inside 1" @ 100 yards.
The only thing I did to modify the rifle was to carefully glass bed the recoil lug.
Thank u for the info much appreciated
Easy way is to pull the bolt out and look down the barrel and then look through the scope
To expand on that place the rifle in a rest without the bolt in it. Looking through the barrel adjust rifle so the barrel is centred at 25 yards. Adjust scope to match. Fire a shot and confirm. If close to dead on you will cut paper at 100 yards.
Get a big piece of paper and get it dead on at 25 yards I've known Scopes to fail, if you can't get it to adjust properly at 25 get you a new scope nice rifles though🙂
On shooting that ultra light keep the barrel off the front bag. Have foreend of stock only on the bag and preferably on the same spot.
Look forward to see another review of your rugers.
These are model 1, I have model II with Maser action, in 6.5 X 55
... Ruger started making their own barrels around 1991 when the MKII version of the model 77 came out and barrel quality became much better and more consistent ... before that the barrels were contracted out and quality was "hit & miss" ...so part of your accuracy problem could be less than stellar quality barrel(s) ... I would reinstall the scopes (or even better have a gunsmith do it) and bore sight them before the next sight in attempt
Easy fix buy a quality scope .
I have a few m77 in 270 and wasted my money on cheaper scopes 270s killed them .
Tasco redfield Bushnell Sterling and even a weaver.
I would only now use styner svorski burras Leopold on rifles over 308
I have used Zeiss & Leupold scopes for the last 40 years. I have never had a failure. Yet.
Watch desert dog UA-cam channel. He’s got the best information on the Ruger M77
Factory problems on accuracy.
Recoil log torque at 95 inch pounds. Bolts were of poor metallurgy and needed replacing
Also bedding the stock helps a lot. Usually scope isn’t the problem!!
Bolts meaning recoil log screws.
Thanks for the info
Beautiful set bud
I need a 300wm m77 in stainless lol
That would be sweet
Bad scope imo. Try shimming under front scope ring with a piece of aluminum can or thin aluminum flashing.
It is one of 2 things
1 it's a cheap scope
2 the scope rings are to tight
Scope broken
very poor grouping/check your action/stock bolts. if that doesnt fix anything, try a different brand of ammo. if that does not improve groups, your scope may be defective.
take it to a gunsmith I have had lots of Bushnell scopes and had good luck with them.
... maybe scope wasn't installed correctly? ... or it's a $39.95 China special?
For sure the latter lol
First of all, you are resting the rifle on the barrel. NO, NO, NO. Rest it on the stock! The third shot, MUCH BETTER.
Ok Thanks
Rule number one Don't rest your barrel on the bag !!!
Scope is gone rings are to high
Scope rings...way too high, I bet you would find medium high more comfortable to shoot. Better cheek weld .
Thanks for the info
On that 30-06 there may not be the clearance to reduce the ring height and still keep the scope from sitting on the barrel. But yes lower rings are best when usable. I hate the idea of the high rings that allow you to use the iron sights underneath.
THE M77 IS KNOWN TO SHOOT ALL OVER THE PLACE I SHOT MANY RIFFLES BUT M77 ALWAYS SHOOTS ALL OVER THE PLACE TO BE HONEST MY AK-47 SHOOTS BETTER THAN MY RUGER M77 270 WINCHESTER.
Dude buy a good scope. Those 29.99 walmart scopes are junk. Go buy a Vortex
You have a bad scope. Just put another scope on it.
Junk scope!!
Terrible gun...they can go off for no reason. They have to be reworked.
Junk scope.