Comparing the Old Town Sportsman 120 PDL and Bigwater 132 PDL
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In this video we compare two of Old Town's most popular kayaks the Old Town Sportsman 120 PDL and the Bigwater 132 PDL.
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I wave a 120 and 132. I would add these:
1) 120 has a huge tank well. If you kayak camp/need to bring a large cooler/or need to bring all your tackle gear and rods, it might be the choice.
2) the hull design of the 132 cuts through chop and absorbs rollers significantly better than the 120, imo.
If I used this in lakes or desired to stand while casting, I would go 120. If I was going offshore or whitecaps, it’s the 132.
I fish the salt in the PNW. I almost exclusively fish the 132. I do think people who have never kayaked before feel more confident and comfortable in the 120.
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I am moving towards the 120. I am a novice kayaker. No where the years of skill you have. You have far different areas to fish . When I get experienced i will have my own experience, I don’t care you hate the 120. I am a thinker ,reader kind, loving , Canadian , have a teacher pension, one US dollar cost me $130.00 US money . Salt Strong another fast talking fishing group just missed who I am , I will buy much from you next year for my 120
Bigwater 132 all f****** day baby! I have hauled over 50lbs of lobster since June with it. I use it to haul the traps out and pull em with it. I’ve been in over 2 ft waves ever 3 seconds and had no issues. I’ve never flipped it.
I’ve never seen it as unstable but some folks seem to be terrified of it.
why wouldnt you put a trolling motor on it? just bc of weight?
Weight, battery needs to be charged. It’s more work than the reward for me.
New to the Sport...I have a chance at getting a 2021 Predator PDL for around $1700 with some accessories...I'm a Large Man @ 6'4" 340 but good balance. Would you recommend the "BIg Water" or the Sportsman? There is a 2023 PDL 120 around me for sale for $2700 with tons of accessories too. Here in Central Minnesota
You will be better off in the 120. Give me a call if you have questions.
@@NavarreKayakFishing Thank you so much. Of course I'd love to get the new XTR130...but that will have to come later
As someone who has never been fishing on a kayack, I'm concerned about stability....Primarily I fish lakes and rivers, but want to and plan to do some off shore, bay fishing .....so I'm torn now....storage is not an issue. Was wondering how the 120 would be offshore?
It’s slower and slow in a giant body of water is painful. It also does not do nearly as well in the surf. But if offshore isn’t your primary use it doesn’t matter.
Picked up a new Bigwater 132 yesterday…..took it out today on its maiden voyage…..it was very calm on the lake and no wind….I learned a lot from this video about paying attention to where your head/ body is in side the kayak…..I had no problems and after a an hour or two it felt good and stable….I can see how if you reach to far or get off center it could tip, but like you said “pay attention “ thanks for the video, can’t wait to spend more time on the water!!
@timtheflyguy that’s great news. You’re going to love it. It’s a great a kayak.
Love my Big water for great Lakes Salmon and trout fishing even being a big stocky 6ft4in tall Midwest guy! The pdl drive has been no maintenance for me and I would put it up against any of the hobie kayaks all my buddies have hahaha.
I have a Sportsman Bigwater 132 PDL. I thought I left my phone in my truck while out on the kayak. My phone started ringing and it was behind me in a full cooler bag. I reached behind me to grab the bag, but it was too heavy to lift, so instead of turning around and looking through the bag, I made the mistake of leaning to get more leverage. The next thing I know was I was capsized. Yard sale. Phones gone, lunch destroyed. Righting the kayak was easy. My drive had been up because I was clearing weeds out of the prop when the phone rang. So, getting back in was very difficult. Having COPD didn't make it any easier either. It was my mistake that I capsized the vessel, and not the fault of the vessel. Next time, I'll let the phone ring. No more rivers, clearing the prop of weeds is not fun, inshore or offshore from now on.
Eddie, I hate to hear about bad situations but it’s a quick way to learn.
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Lesson learned. I still like my Bigwater 132 PDL.
All I do is offshore with my 132. I love it!
I was just sitting in the kayak and it rolled on me lost 3 baitcasting rods and reels $1200
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Ouch, that hurt. Tether everything that you don't want to lose. Pool noodles on your rod/reel combo's will keep them afloat.
Nice comparison! What’s your thought between old town bigwater 132 pdl and jackson coosa fd?
Jack, I don’t have enough experience with the Coosa FD to make any statements.
I made room for my predator pdl, she is my life outside of work. I love it
I like your style!!!
Well said!
I have the 120 and love it. Never been on the big water so I cant say anything about it but Im sure its just as good if not better. I car top mine and the 120 seemed like a better option. I catfish in rivers and lakes and love how stable it is fighting an angry cat. You're 100% right about the flimsy track but so far I havent had any problems, but I would def prefer the BW tracks. My 120 serves its purpose for me and Im very happy with it.
Great review and certainly cogent point. I primarily lake and river fish for catfish (no big water). I have the 120 PDL and will outfit eventually with a trolling motor for dragging and suspended fishing with spot lock. The 120 might be a better fit for those very specific purposes. I know if I was the fish big water also, I would certainly have both.
V haul vs Jon boat. Kinda get that vibe from the two. Just picked up a sportsman 120.
I'm lookin to buy My first kayak, it's definitely between these 2, just not sure which one yet.. Not sure if I'd ever take it into salt water, just something about fish bigger than it, swimming below Me.. lol. Not too mention, I've seen some videos on sharks attacking kayaks.. Your thoughts, or input would be Greatly Appreciated..
The easy option is the 120. It’s a great all around kayak and will be a great first kayak.
Great comparison. I commend the Bigwater for its front handle and hull design. For those of us who like to goof around and lean very far over the edge of the kayak, I can't say enough about the stability of the 120 PDL. However, I primarily fish in lakes and bays. I don't need to cut through surf and make hard journeys offshore. The PDL system is wonderful for both kayaks, so there shouldn't be issues for anyone interested in either kayak. Thanks for these videos!
Thanks for watching. They are both fantastic kayaks.
Perfect review I think having been around both
Thanks for watching and commenting, Robert.
Remember when the Predator PDL 132 came out and it was cheaper at around $2500.? I Just priced the new Bigwater 132 PDL and it is now up to $3250.00. That's a $750. rise in just a few years.
Very true. The world has changed!!!
FIRST! I absolutely love my Big Water.
It’s a fantastic kayak. Thanks for watching, Steve.
You and me both!
Thanks Nick great video.
Thanks for watching and commenting, David.
Hello Nick! I'm looking at getting a 120 PDL and a helix 7 si fish finder. I found a 2020 model 120 PDL with a helix 7 g2 si fish finder on it for $1800. Would it be work spending the extra $1000-1200 to get them brand new ? Or is $1800 a good deal for the 120 PDL and the helix 7 si g ?
The warranty on the pedal drive is a pretty big deal in my opinion these days. Personally I would buy new and get the warranty.
Your advice helped me pick the 132 over the 12. Deciding factors were the bow handle, metal pdl handle. Shape of bow to handle nasty weather better.
I think that’s an extremely smart choice.
National Kidney Foundation made me laugh big time!!! I really enjoy my Predator.
Thanks for watching, Wayne!
Thanks Nick. For my type of fishing (lakes, cartop) I’ve narrowed it down to the 120PDL or the 106 PDL.
Thanks for watching, Bill.
Haven’t had my BW for too long but man I am loving it. I ask myself why I waited so long to get into a ot pdl. Some people ask why didn’t I go with another Hobie? Sure they are great too, I have a Revo & an Outback. Wanted instant reverse that could handle inshore and some offshore so BW it was. The OB will be going up for sale after this fishing season.
Instant reverse is a huge deal and often overlooked.
I’ve got the paddle version of the Big Water equipped with a Newport Vessels Nk180 on the stern,similar to the Torqueedo and it literally eliminates any stability issue of the PDL version. I’ve got high and low seat setting, lots of storage with the huge pods in the front and foot steering with the ready to use rudder cable housing installed! Just popped the locking mechanism on the foot pedals off and drilled holes for the cord and I’ve got hands free steering going 6mph chasing stripers, etc.
Van, that sounds like a real nice setup.
I can't find the sweater you're wearing in your online shop
We did a preorder for them last year or the year before. I’ll see if we can get another order together.
I started with a 10' sit on top Sun Dolphin, then upgraded to the Vibe Sea Ghost 130 and then finally the Predator PDL (I know roll in a Solo Skiff). I absolutely loved the PDL. Super stable, fast enough, and an all around great kayak. I had never flipped a kayak but as they say, it happens eventually. I actually didn't flip the PDL but I did fall out like you were saying. I was fishing the docks just west of Liza Jackson and dropped my stick it pin. Even though it was actually floating and I knew I was leaning too far over, my mind would not let me stop reaching for it because I didn't want to get wet to get it off of the bottom when it sunk. LOL!! The mind is a beautiful thing. I reached a little too far and felt the PDL starting to tip so I let myself fall out instead of tipping the whole thing over. I don't know if you could actually really flip it though because it is really stable. Needless to say, I was standing in about three and a half feet of water with my stick it pin still floating next to me and I was wet. LOL! I finally got a little too cocky and stupid. Ha!!! Great comparison. --Brent
Ha!!!! That’s a good story, Brent. I hope you’re doing well.
Just picked up a bigwater for about 1800 new all in. Originally had ordered a 120 sportsman but couldn't resist for the price.
where did you get one for 1800?
@mathewshackelford8037 Dick's Sporting goods. West Marine has also had them for close to that before. End of year sales.
I watched your channel a LOT trying to decide on which kayak. It was initially the 106 for the reduced weight. Then it finally sunk in about the efficiency of the hull. I live near a big lake and need to cover several miles so I finally bought the big water. Been out 3 times so far and it totally meets expectations. As you have pointed out, it is a big heavy kayak with a rounded bottom that you have to learn to finesse moving around instead of man handling it. I am getting the hang of it. Thanks for the great content!
Thanks for watching and commenting, Jimmy.
I have been contemplating purchasing a new kayak, primarily for ocean fishing here in the Monterey Bay Area of California. Been pouring over reading about and watching video/reviews of different yaks, and I gotta say Nick, that your informative no-nonsense approach to what you like/dislike about the different boats you have used has been exactly what I have been looking for. I feel I have it pretty well narrowed down to the Bigwater 132 PDL. I am a big dude (6'4", 260lbs) and need room to stretch out. I am setting up a rental of this kayak as soon as our weather and the ocean in our area calms down a bit to get a 'On the Water' impression before dropping my hard earned cash. Again, thank you for the hard work you put into these informative videos, much appreciated!
Looks like I missed this comment but I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment! Let me know if you have any questions.
Morgan-
I am the exact same size and I’m very comfortable and don’t even adjust the seat all the way back. I have 30 years of kayaking experience, most of it in skinny sea kayaks and folks new to the sport have no idea of the benefits of the lower initial stability. Every hull is a compromise and the Bigwater handles awesome for its size. Quick getting up to speed, nimble with a small turning radius and a dry ride in waves. The hull rides up over the wave instead of having the bow just pierce it. I’m a small craft aficionado and have many but the Bigwater is my favorite!
@@daddybigfins7729 Don’t know how I missed your response, but I greatly appreciate it! As you must be very well aware, it can be difficult to find someone with a similar body type that can give an experienced impression of a product. I truly appreciate your feedback!
I'm in a similar boat to you - very similar size and also in the Monterey Bay Area and considering the BigWater. Did you end up buying one? Where did you demo it? Monterey Bay Kayaks?
Which would you prefer for drifting the inlet, fishing under bridges/ tying off to them, and decent amount of water traffic?
Im 5’7” 165lbs
Fishing salt water
My truck is a 6ft bed
Im concerned about holding onto the side of the bridge and then traffic coming and the waves tipping me while hitting into the pilings.
In the future I will like to add a spot lock motor but not sure how good they are in strong current
Any suggestions??
I got the 132pdl on sale 2 days ago for 1750…
Do I sell and buy the 120pdl for stability or keep the 132pdl lol
I would keep the 132 without question. Once you get use to it you will love it.
Thanks for commenting back how do you transport your 132?
I have a 6ft pickup do you think thats it will work with a bed extender?
@waterboy5164 that’s perfect. Once you put the tail gate down and add the extender the kayak is supported with out any issues.
Great video Nick, as someone who has been fishing out of the Salty these past few years I am looking to upgrade now but my main criteria for the upgrade is useable space in the cockpit area. Fishing bass tournaments and coming from a big boat the one thing I miss is space to work in.
Thanks for watching, Warren. I would take the Bigwater.
14:59 later I finally realized wat the NKF in the back stands for lol
National Kidney Foundation…
I am near the Chicago River and Lake Michigan. I also want to fish on a kayak on smaller lakes and rivers. Can the PDL 132 work for all of them? Is the 120 good enough for big river and Lake? thanks!
really curious to see how seaworthy these boats are. just ordered the 132 with the pedal drive. guided in old touring boats for six years in my youth, spent more time upside down when it was hot. i get an ear infection just thinking about it. essex river basin adventures in new england. those were good days.
the 132 is my first kayak experience i have the paddle version tho
Where do I get one of those hoodies?! Looked on the store and didn't see any.
We might make some available in the fall.
Really helpful. Thank you Nick, I'm long island sound Connecticut do you think 120 is going to be the right one ??
Big water 132 pdl sitting I rolled in a river just sitting not moving it’s a 3 on Chad Hoover review Iam 5’11 240 lbs kayaking for 16 years
I bought my Wilderness Ride 135 in 2011. If you wanted a pedal drive back then you had to go with a Hobie and that was twice the price. I fish mainly lakes and reservoirs and have many hours in the Ride. Never flipped in that. Still a great paddle kayak but I have been looking at both of those kayaks to upgrade to a pedal kayak. Thanks for the information in this video. It helps a lot. I like the stability factor of the 120. I just wish Old Town would build it with the same quality features as the 132. Still on the fence.
Hey Nick, considering buying an old town predator from private party. Used mostly in salt. What should I be concerned about? Appreciate any help
Would you still take the 132 over the 120 if just using it in rivers and lakes?
I would but that’s a personally preference.
@@NavarreKayakFishing Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
Anytime. Let me know if you have any questions.
Nick
Question. I bought a old town sportsman 120 pdl to use on both the lakes and ocean here in Oregon. Did I make a mistake on purchasing a old town 120 pdl for ocean use? Be honest did I screw up?
Mistake? No. Overall best choice. No. But it will do the job. If you want to pedal further distances and handle the waves better the Bigwater would have been a better choice in my opinion. The 120 is still a great kayak. Just a bit slower.
@@NavarreKayakFishing Awesome!! I was starting to get worried. Thank you for the feed back. I am ok with a lil slower and as of the waves I grew up on the ocean surfing so I will just use my knowledge of the ocean and be a lil more careful, Right? Thanks again.
Exactly. It’s plenty capable.
Another great video! How does the 132 paddle compared to the 120?
Bigwater/Predator front handle: I run two opposing locking cinch straps thru the handle on each side - hooked to side chain system on my truck (turnbuckle with two steel locking oval carabiners run on each side of the truck bed to the corner lashing brackets on all pickups). This allows me to lock in the front of the kayak in the truck bed. I also use that same thru handle to lock the kayak with motorcycle cable and NYC Kryptonite lock to chain system and truck bed, when I really have to lock it. Thru handle great for all Nick says plus locking kayak and also securing the front in a truck bed.
Love my Predator - 5 years now hard fishing and it runs great. Use heat forming plastic to form a keel guard and 3M Marine tape or glue to attach it to keel as well. Navarre also has great parts that make sense for spairs - You also have to have sheer pins and a spare nut and prop if you do serious fishing - Navarre has great vids on how to maintain it all!
So a fat old man, inexperienced Kayak er would be safer on the 120?
Great Movie Thanks
Yes, sir. The 120 would be the smartest option.
@@NavarreKayakFishing No beach launch autopilot?
Was going to get 1 auto 1 pdl , Daughter fishes with me.
Gonna come down there and fish with you some day !!!
Beach launching the AP as a semi-young and semi-in shape person isn’t any fun lol
@@NavarreKayakFishing Well I got the Bigwater PDL, on sale at west marine $1799, too good to be true . I let you know if I get wet
Predator 13 still the best
Nick, Doc here. I fished Little Creek today and had a awesome day in me predator. The advise you give a spot n. I m very satisfied with the Yak
The reason for this comment is that at the end of a great day, coming to the shore, I brought my hat and turning and reaching with my right hand to the left side instantly flipped. Now I know you have a ton of experience with this kayak, I think it would be great if you could do a video showing how to write the kayak which I did OK and then re-enter It would be a great service to all of us who follow you. Thanks for all your knowledge doc
Yes if you lean back and get more weight on the back of the predator, your weight will quickly transfer to the much narrower portion of the kayak that does not have the secondary stability of the mid portion. Be mindful if your weight is either very far forward or rearward. People who have flipped this kayak are almost always leaning back, leaning forward or doing really silly things like reaching really far for overboard items.
I couldn't decide so I got both lol
Best decision!!!
@@NavarreKayakFishing It was your channel that did it too. Best investment I've ever made.
Thanks for watching the videos!
I've got a question here. I'm 6 foot, 185 pounds. I have zero experience in a kayak but have 40 years surfing and 10 years sup experience, including sup surfing. I'm looking to go fishing on the windward side of the Big Island Hawaii. Will watch conditions but weather can change quick here. Looking at windy and chop and swell if caught by surprise. Would Big water be too tippy for me or the better option? Would welcome all opinions on this. Mahalo!
You have enough experience with water balance and will be fine in either. Simply be aware of your center of gravity.
@@d2appliance481 Thanks for the reply. I actually just bought an Ocean Kayak Malibu pdl, which is the 2022 version of the Old Town Salty. Haven't had it out yet. Waiting for my cart wheels to arrive tomorrow. Seems way heavier than I thought, but it is the lightest of the three I was considering , so I'm glad I didn't go bigger. I have to car top so weight is an issue. After my first test run, to including flipping and righting, can't wait to go fishing.
we have both those yaks at home. my gf has the 120pdl and I have the 132pdl. Her complaint is the turning radius verus mine. Big difference since the 132 leans over, it turns on a dime. The lack of rails in the rear of the 120pdl also is no bueno. Besides that, she loves her 120pdl ( we fish in lakes and rivers only) As for storage, we don't have a garage or a big shed so I built a crate out of wooden shipping pallets. You can get those for free. 19 pallets will do the job. Made a shelf for the 120 on top. Both yaks fit in there. Covered the pallet box with vinyl.
That’s an awesome way to keep them out of the sun!
Touching on the stability of the bigwater, when the mood strikes I have been able to stand up and fish that way. You just really need to know how to manage your weight in kayaks in general like you mentioned in the video.
Thanks for watching the video and commenting.
Very unstable big water 132 pdl 3 out of 10
no way - been fishing it in fresh and salt very hard for 5 years - I fish standing all the time in it - including the ocean - 2 to 3 foot waves no problem. All Kayaks have a limit in rough seas - anything more than 3 foot waves or 30 mph winds, I fish from shore.