So true ..... why are they seating on a plastic uncomfortable chair , get them decent chair to sit on at least.....I know they are paid good but make them comfortable too
I would say the switch hit is okay as long as the LBW laws are adjusted to remove pitched outside leg after the batsman has switched. To actually even this out for the bowlers, they should be allowed to manage the ball since the bowlers cannot do anything with the field settings. That would be fair as it is equally hard to manage the ball and control the reversing ball and thus use it to your advantage just as it is for a batter while switch hitting.
@@shijinthomas7375 Not really, we can have a simple rule for that. As long as the ball doesn't lose the seam, the stitching or doesn't go out of shape it remains in play. What say?
In an LBW appeal for a switch hit, only thing that should be considered has to be whether the ball would hit the stumps irrespective of where it pitched. The batsman should know that risk before playing that shot.
Switch hit is talent not any crime in cricket don't simply defend that Harsha who is talking rubbish just because he is indian kp 12 runs was also made no sense rubbish but this was also rubbish by that harsha now adays he is becoming like that waste Sanjay Mumbai lobby manjrekar speaking and tweetting utter rubbish this Harsha doing nowadays
Yeah like 'Himmati hona chhahiye' 'Bahut mushkilo se nikal kar aaye hai' 'Mehnat aur prayas jaari hai' all kind of nonsense irrelevant motivational quotes.
Guys harsha is just having fun by throwing this debate. Kp is also smiling. Don't spread hate. Its a long test match. Commentators have to make it engaging. Just enjoy it 😂
Harsha's capacity to take in harsh words in an argument like this ( I have noticed this coming from Sanjay Manjrekar too in one of his now quite famous discussion with him )is a life lesson . His ability to argue/ discuss with grace is remarkable despite the impoliteness of the other side. I think he once more represented the thoughts of millions of fans and thousands of bowlers in this "debate". Keep it up Harsha . We need you as fans because you represent us and we want you to create few more Harshas in the interest of Cricket and particularly for us fans. KP , I really enjoy hearing you but come on, where else in the world you will get to be a part of such arguments, debated with great points and gracefully . Please shakehands over a meal with him or get invited to his house for a veg. meal and meet his great wife who will also enrich you intellectually .Once more, we fans need you quite badly for enriching ourselves with the threads of this game .. and what a resource you both are .
Harsha didn't argue gracefully or intelligently at all. He repeatedly said "just because it's difficult doesn't make it legal" which is completely irrelevant and at no point did KP say that anything that's difficult should be legal. Harsha SHOULD have said, and I expect he intended to say "just because it's difficult doesn't mean it should be legal". The point is, it IS legal, so the case has to be made for making it illegal. KPs point that a bowler should be allowed to bowl right or left handed is much more valid, and would represent an incredible effort by the bowler to increase his skill level to the point where he can bowl proficiently with both hands. Why not allow it instead of an embarrassing argument that a terrific skill by batsmen should be banned
Kp has anger and temperament issue. Harsha is a true gentleman, he is just having fun but KP only thinking as a batsman. Already it's too biased world for bowlers. A bowler overstepping is free hit but for batsman it's claps and claps. Unfair rules.
To be very honest Harsha had a valid point here. If its allowed then allow it to both bowler and batsman. If not then deny it to both bowler and a batsman. Fair
Harsha's point is not valid at all . There are lot of restriction put in place like the bowler has to bowl from a box which he cannot cross , cant bowl outside the pitch otherwise called a no ball or wide ball. Cant bowl over the head again it will be called a wide , cant bowl a beamer it will be called No ball , Tell me what restriction a batsmen has , almost nothing. batsmen holds a bat in both hands , top and bottom , so he using both hands whereas bowler at the time of delivery can use only one arm . Can he throw like a volleyball or football it will be illegal again. So U can call unfair to the bowlers but still doesnt make it illegal.
It’s an interesting debate. The switch hit has been played for years now and no one should be saying it should be illegal. However, the game has got to the point where there are more advantages (equipment-wise) for the batsman…look at their considerably chunkier bats these days. It’s not as if cricket balls have a lot of leeway for innovation these days, for example with greater pronounced seams, although it has been reported in the past the Duke balls were designed with a higher seam to aid certain seam bowlers. I think it is something that should be looked at. Good points made including that the bowler has to bowl to a field set prior to the ball being bowled, yet the batter can switch from right to left-handed or vise versa. Certainly hard to counter. If the bowler could come either side without prior notification to the umpire, perhaps it evens it up a bit fir the bowler. Still, all scenarios would have to be looked at. One last point - did India do enough tactically to try and counter Pope’s switch hits🤷♂️?
Switch hit should be allowed, but if the ball hits the pads anywhere near the wickets the batter should be given out. batter cannot have both ways, no pun intended.
So, whenever a bowler bowling offspin and then want to bowl a carrom ball, then he or she have to say to the umpire. Because if a bowler bowl some variation, then a batter can bat with his or her variation.
Pietersen is gold on commentary. He adds spice and emotions in the commentary and makes us believe that humans are commentating, otherwise, other commentators makes it seem like robots are commentating. Pietersen acts like WWE commentators, where two commentators have a difference in opinions and they argue.
you can make a conversation interesting by being funny or adding some insight to it. "You're talking rubbish" is not an excuse for entertainment its kinda rude how he said it as well
@@Shaitan-K.Pillay That's not only his problem this is the story of every English man out there. They tend to show the world everything when it comes to cricket no doubt the infrastructure is very good there but the way or the brand of cricket which they are promoting or thinking that the rest of the world will follow is absolutely rubbish. Let's see from 5 years of now.
@@av98 - that is absolute rubbish...its not possible to announce in a split second when you instinctively hit a shot. KP is right; there is a degree of difficulty in switch hitting and its impossible to inform. Harsha is just aging.
If the batsman switch hits the bowler should get the benefit of the doubt on lbw/pitching outside leg/ hitting outside off ie there is no outside leg as there is no true leg stump
In my opinion, Kevin is right. There are many instances where batsmen try to overcome bowlers' plans, such as stepping out or moving across the crease. Bowlers can bowl numerous overs, even if they perform poorly with many extras, but batsmen have only one wicket. I believe bowlers already have an upper hand by setting the field according to the batsmen and could bowl according to field bowl. Harsha's conversation is like a bowler should not bowl a yorker if he sets a field for short ball.
Oh my god what a rubbish argument, "a bowler already has an upper hand bowling according to the field"?? Seriously man? what do you want the batsman to be given choice to make all the fielders stand behind the keeper? What about the batsman trying to hit the ball on the leg side even when it was bowled on wide off... dude It is cricket not an Indian court
Also bowlers have to bowl numerous overs dude even if they are going for runs, that's cricket dude... what are these lame arguments. Harsha makes a very simple clean argument.. if you can bat like anything, then the bowler should be allowed to bowl anything.. and you should know bowlers have way more restrictions.. no balls, wides, and one or no tip balls..
I'm with KP here.. Switch hit is not easy.. Basically you are putting your self at risk to give your wicket away while playing the shot & bowler have every opportunity to take it & At the end of the day as a bowler I'd rater bowl to a Batsmen who's looking to take me on rather rather then bowling to the likes of Dravid, Kallis, Chanderapaul
Flawed statement. Bowler has set fielding for a right handed batsmen and when he plays left handed then bowler has not set the field for such a situation.
But If the bowler changes his arm, he is also risking a lot since he won't be bowling with his strong arm and batsmen will have a better chance of hitting it if its a bad ball..but then why bowler has to inform the umpire beforehand and the batter doesn't? That's the whole arguement.
Your statement is flawed. First of all regarding the field setting like the person above said. Secondly it’s a switch hit (it’s a surprise) bowler doesn’t know whether he has an opportunity to take it until he release the ball. So what advantage are you talking about here ?
Harsha has made a valid point. Degree of difficulty cannot be a guide to right and wrong. Though degree of difficulty and the skill required for execution is the reason that this has not become an issue. However some day, if every batter does this, then it will become a relevant point which may need to be officially resolved, one way or another.
Harsha is rubbish ….. how can he say it is not legal ? It’s legal that’s why the batsman is doing it ……and Harsha is arguing with Kevin who has big experience …… nobody is saying Indian batsman to not do it , why is Harsha moaning ……..
Agree with KP here. The conditions for batting are set by the bowler, the bowler is allowed to swing the ball either way and the batsman is well within their rights to play it to the best of their ability. If ambideterity were commonplace I’m sure the mid runup switch would be allowed too. Game would evolve..but saying that a momentary “expression” should not be allowed is a thought from someone who is stuck in their ways.
Well it's pretty simple to me...Allow switch hit only If the rule of bowl pitching outside leg does not apply for lbw i.e. The batsmen can be judged lbw irrespective of where the ball has pitched if it is going on to hit the stumps and the bowler is allowed to change hands during action.
Inane Harsha..holding on to one narrow lame logic and going on and on with it. Hard to argue with that. One nuance in this I think Ashwin argued some time ago, was that he wanted "pitched outside leg stump" to be done away with for LBWs when the batsman switches, and that's fair!
It's simple logic mate...if batters can switch from lefty to righty or vice versa ,without asking umpires permission, then bowlr should also be given the luxury to bowl left or right as it seems with out th permission...
To answer your's yes Ashwin sometime spoke on this he didn't want LBW rule for pitching outside leg he said when a right hander switches to left hand and plays a shot and in that instance if the ball happens hits the pads of the batter, it should be considered
@kolamol8991-cy3ng I don't understand what "a person from an educated, developed country" find hard in understanding how it is an advantage to the batter. The field placement is set for the left hander, the bowler is bowling considering the weakness of the same, the batsman switches, now he has got a ball which is good to hit in that field placements while the bowler can't do anything about it. If that's not unfair to you then yeah even if half the world is run by indians, we would prefer to be a country of uneducated people.
Harsha is my favorite commentator but here KP is absolutely correct it's batter courage to counter the risk of switch last minute with equal chances of giving his wicket
But the issue is the batsman are getting better and better at this. Look at maxwell now. He hits switch hit sixes like a piece of cake. You can’t set field when a batsman gets really good at switch hitting.
If a batter plays a switch hit, then the ball shouldn't be called wide on either side if it's within the two wide markers. Also when the ball hits his pads, we shouldn't consider pitched outside leg as a deciding factor. If these changes are made, the game would be more fair.
So a sweep 6 is ok but a switch hit 6 should be illegal? Makes no sense. Why can a fast bowler ball a slower delivery or a spinner bowl a fast one? Ridiculous argument! A switch hit doesn't "make" the batsman left handed all of a sudden, its a difficult shot in a batsman's repertoire just like the "over the shoulder scoop", a helicopter shot and other modern cricketing shots... that's what makes a batsman a 360° player. Salty Harsha being salty
Dunno about salty but my guess is Harsha is upset because a DRS review went against India on a switch hit and now he's finding excuses to make it illegal. Nothing to do with ambidextrous bowlers
I support KP’s view that both switch hit and either arm bowling without informing the umpire should be allowed. It’s more innovative and more exciting and requires way more skill.
@@rahulsrinivas3224 Nah, there is a huge difference that's why there is an argument. Harsha says both should be allowed but if one is not allowed then other should be banned. KP says both should be allowed but if one is not allowed then it doesn't mean other should be banned.
@@rahulsrinivas3224 The point Kevin Pietersen was saying it is allowed! The other thing to say is that Muttiah Muaralitharan could bowl both off spin variations and leg spin variations too. He didn't need to tell the batsmen which type he would bowl to the batsmen!!
Forget ambidexterity, have the non striker back-up on the nearby strips and let the bowler decide over or round the wicket for himself, without telling the umpire
I think this is such a brilliant idea. Anyways these last couple of decades have been the creation of rules to make the game more batsman dominated. They can start launching this as something which is available for 5 overs or something
I never actually thought about it that way. I think Harsha made a good point. If a bowler can't change his bowling arm, then how can a batter change his batting hand? I'm with Harsha on this.
Never thought I'd ever agree with KP in any debate, but they had this whole dispute back at the time he first did it in 2008 and no one has objected to it for 15 years
@@amoghghade1 because it sucks... Watching someone switch hit a 6 is almost as good as it gets. Watching some dead bowler cheaply take wickets without even bowling is not
As I ponder over this debate, there's something very basic about cricket that hit me. What if we all are looking at and comparing just the incremental benefits and updates for batsmen vs bowlers but the MCC & the likes are looking at it from a very basic point of few? That is, a Batsman gets only one chance to make a fatal error, so if he is trying to switch hit and doesn't pull it off he can lose his wicket whereas for a bowler there's no concept of a fatal error except for bowling a beamer for the second time in the game. Add to it the fact that against a Batsman is a Bowler along with other 10 fielders spread on a huge field whereas for the bowlers that's the advantage. So now a switch hit is just an added advantage to the batsmen only if they can pull it off correctly or it Definitely adds just another fatal error for them. Perhaps, this is what KP meant to convey there and couldn't really articulate it better and kept insisting on how difficult it is to execute. I totally understand the above argument could be laid to rest by pointing at the ease with which batsmen are marauding the bowlers and plundering runs at will. I was just introducing a different perspective to the debate.
it depends one how you coin the term "fatal mistake". its not that every time a batsman outside edges the ball it goes to a fielder or inside edges and the ball hits the stumps , nor every lofted mishit reaches a fielder. the boundaries are much smaller than they used to be, the bats are much thicker, 2 balls are used instead of 1 and bowlers can only ball 1 delivery above the shoulder of the batsman. the game now is more advantageous to a batsman than it is to a bowler
@@icmrxo3arava806 I agree, that was my first instinct as well which is why my first comment on this video says that bowlers should be allowed to tamper with the ball and bring reverse swing into play which is an art and equally hard to control and manage. This comment was just to highlight what KP's thought process might have been.
KP is giving a batsman's view. I agree with Harsha on this, actually. Cricket has become such a batsmen's game and therefore it is only fair to make switch hit illegal or like Harsha suggested, make switch bowling legal as well
@@Hassnian-xq4sk Are you serious?? If a batsman does it, it is a "skill", then why isn't the bowler allowed to exhibit the same "skill"? Why is it called a no ball?
@@mayankdewli1010 lol he played until his academic years, and has been doing commentary on the sport since over 30 years, how qualified are you to have a more valid opinion than him? Not to say that you can't give an opinion, but your statement "he has never played and it shows" is laughable considering he has surely accomplished a lot more than you have in that sport.
Trouble is bowling is a lot more clear cut to be left or right handed whereas batting gets a bit more blurred with how you class left handed e.g. if you do a switch hit but don’t swap your hands over or do switch you hands over but don’t put your other foot forward etc
KP is a passionate cricketer and his passion is getting the better of the validity of his argument here. He needs to calm down and see this from the perspective of the other players on the field. His lack of experience working together (pun intended) with others is showing here, like he did on the field during his playing days.
@@varunjaihind3904 That's wrong, nobody had even thought about the switch hit until KP did it. Then the MCC ruled it legal and it has been ever since, thatg''s why we still see it played. Ateotd if I was a bowler, I'd want someone to play the switch hit, more chance in getting him out. just like if I was a batsman, let the bowler chuick a ball down with his poorer arm. Very few if any, even ambidextrous people can bowl good with both arms.
Im ok with a switch hit. If you as Harsha says 1) allow bowlers to bowl with either hand without informing 2) at the point of switching the LBW rule of pitching outside is done away with (offspin bowler to a left hander could pitch outside leg for a righty and still be out) 3) get rid of the 2 fielder behind leg law.
No, the fair thing in 2nd point will be irrespective of if you switch or not, pitching outside leg should be given out, because how will a bowler know if the batsman will switch or not? And the batter can decide anytime to switch
This debate cant be bats vs bowlers in the physical sense , the batters are allowed to make a 100 movements including stance feet approach and what not before the ball is delivered, and thats because the flow of the game each delivery is dictated by the bowler , setting fields and offering deliveries , it is a batters game , a bowler or a bowler's advocate needs to accept that and then play it within the rules
The fact is that if this was a genuine option for bowlers they would try to get the rule changed. But it would be a disadvantage for bowlers to bowl wrong handed. In the same way it is technically a disadvantage to bat wrong handed and only the very best can do it, but they don't do it for most shots even so. The batsman who has the most shots is the best to watch and if bowlers want to switch I would support them trying to get the rules changed but it isn't something that bothers them because it is too much of a disadvantage to do it.
Fast bowlers can bowl slower deliveries. Off spinners can bowl the leg break and leggies can bowl the googly. The thing is bowlers bowl with one hand. Batsman bat with two hands. Rules are different yet fair to both, so switch hit is legal.
So, if a right handed who switch hits gets LBW, how is his LBW reviewed? Is it like a left handed or right hander? Because the off stump and the line would change for either batting styles
@@karthikayanagaraj9426 No it shouldn’t! Batsman rarely, if ever, switch hit a ball that is pitched anywhere but middle, off or outside off so they take the risk of being lbw, which is rightly adjudicated from the position they initially faced up from.
Well said KP..You are right, the skill required to suddenly switch to left handed batting is huge..Sour grapes comes to mind..Would he be saying it if it was any Indian batter. I think not..
Switch hitting is perfectly valid as the 'batsman' has to physically change their stance - that takes at least a 3rd of a second and that extra precious moment dose give the bowler a wicket taking opportunity they previously would not have. That is where the skill is. I would love to have seen Kevin Pietersen try to switch hit Jeff Thompson, Michael Holding or Alan Donald. They would bowl far too fast to allow the batsman to even dare; and they would certainly have bounced them and had balls whistling past the head if they had tried it a second time.
There is nobody in cricket as logical as Harsha Bhogle. There are so many rules in cricket favouring only batsmen. This is another one that i never thought of and Harsha is damn right here.
i think it is fun to watch a switch hit tbh but i believe they should make a rule on number of switch hits just like the number of bouncers a bowler can hit only one switch hit in an over if he repeats then batsman will be given out
No not really , harsha proved how dumb founded one can be , imagine this was virat batting he would have praised like no other , art skill bla bla bla , it’s a Indian mindset , upbringing and narrow minded
Switch hit is also a talent. Not every one can do it. You cannot comparing bating with bowling . Batsmen have all the option to move and make way, come down the pitch and change length of bowling. Just because India suffered this time doesn’t make it wrong.
The fact that nobody complains about reverse sweep when it's ipl or world, in fact same harsha appreciates those shorts. Why is he complaining now when it is against india
Both points are valid. If the batter has developed the skill to hit both sided, he should be allowed to do so, but it should also be allowed for the bowler to bowl from whichever end or arm they want, if they have enough skill, without informing the umpire or the batter. As KP said, as a bowler he would prefer to bowl to a batter batting wrong armed, it can also be said that as a batter i would much rather a guy bowl to me wrong armed. Thats the flaw in KPs logic. He is seeing it as the bowler getting an advantage when the batter is switching but he isnt seeing that because the batter can decide his actions based on the field set he can take away fielders out of equation by creating new angles. And if thats the case, the bowler should be allowed to bowl from either side of the wicket or either armed if he has enough skill so that he can still have a surpise factor going into his stride
Bowlers also decieve batters with in and out swing, offspin & doosra, leg break & googly. Switch hit is just another variation of cricket shots just like bowlers have many variations.
harsha is technically right there...its like cheating the bowler since field is set for right hander...on the other hand.. i don't think it will affect the batter if the bowler switches arms...coz the ball is still coming from the same angle irrespective of the arm...
Are you serious, there is a massive different between left arm of-spin then right, i.e. if ashwin starts bowling left handed to stokes it now means the ball is spinning into him rather than away as he is bowling now right handed, so there is a massive affect on how the batsmen lines him up and plays with a change of hand
@@mawaiskhan1791 dude..dont think you understand off spin...you are talking about left arm leg spin like jadeja...its a whole different skill...and ashwin can still bowl the ball to spin either way with the same hand...nothing to do with right or left arm !
Bhogle on a serious wind up today, suckering KP in with football talk, then assassinating the shot he invented. I think KP should have told him to back off rather than storming off.
In light of Harsha's argument, my question to him is what is the difference between a reverse sweep and switch hit? Its basically creating the same issue that he is raising regarding the captain setting a field for a certain handed batter.
KP is way off.. Makes no sense by saying the way he did & was trying to defend himself in whatever way possible.. Switch hit as Harsha pointed out gives a totally unfair advantage to the batsman over the bowler.
As being a terrific batsman gives an advantage. It is legal as the umpires allow it and it adds to the entertainment of the game. It carries a risk so even players than can play it, play it rarely.
Harsha is rubbish commentator as a indian I am ashamed we have to hear him say same things over and over again , he has limited vocab and him fanboying indian cricketers just is turn off I mute my tv whenever he is on
Let any international bowler listen to this conversation and act accordingly. A right arm bowler tries to bowl left handed. It's too difficult but can try in international level.
It is surprising that KP as a top notch international cricketer with more than a 100 Tests was not aware of the bowler having to inform the Umpire to bowl with the other arm. There is an element of surprise when a right handed bowler suddenly bowls left handed which can be tried out in T20' to see it's impact as the margin for a bowler is so little. If it works well then it can gradually move to ODIs & finally to Tests. But here KP is right that it should be allowed.
If switch hitting should be banned, then so should googly and doosrah. Same principle; you can’t just bowl a different kind of ball without informing the umpire/batsmen. It’s a dumb argument imo to the detriment of creativity and innovation. Its like saying snooker players can’t change hands in the middle of the game
@@rahulsrinivas3224 ummmmm…. I can only assume you are deaf or do not understand English. That is exactly what Harsha Bhogle said. He says it at 00:37
@@iamls360sterriker9I am not deaf and I know a little bit of English (not as great as your Oxford dictionary level English though). His basic point is that the bowler should be allowed to bowl with either left or right hand without notifying the umpire, otherwise the switch hit should also be not allowed. If the bowler has to inform the umpire whether he is bowling right or left handed, shouldn't the batsman also follow the same rule?
@@rahulsrinivas3224 sorry, again, he says straight up ‘the switch hit should be banned’, and part of his reasoning is what you have just stated. He was quite explicit which is why they had the argument. I think you are lacking the comprehensive skills. ‘The switch hit should be banned because x’ I think he is wrong. The batsman does not just bat left handed, they switch when ball is in flight, so they are technically playing a shot as a right hander because the ball has already been bowled.
@soniaaaaable The bowler is advising the umpire beforehand. A batsman can premeditate a switch, but it defeats the purpose of him saying something because he's doing it midway through a shot.
@@shadrianshadrach3804 then why was murli called for chucking??? why are bowler called for suspect action?? why only yhe rule for bowlers where as the batter can bat however he wants??
Harsha is pathetic...i have been seeing this recently he is getting very stupid with his thought process...please share this comment and make him read this....batsman playing a switch hit is his shot and he need not tell about it...its like a fast bowler never tells an umpire before bowling a slower ball...or a spinner never tells umpire before bowling a fast ball....Just as we say those deliveries are a variation similarly playing a switch hit is a variation for any batsman....Harsha please get yourself sorted you are getting lame day by day..
@@zeus3086 how is it different? When a bowler says right arm off spin how can he bowl a fast ball? How can an off spin bowler bowl the other one? Or a leg spin bowler bowl a googly that goes other direction to what their attack originally is... that's the reason there are sightscreens in cricket for batsman to identify such changes... similarly bowler must be cautious and have detailed view of batsmen's footwork to pre-empt what he is trying to do... that's what the challenge is simple
I don't know why harsha pulled that debate, there was no need. When someone plays a switch hit, it shows how versatile a player is. So what's the problem here?
Just because you are in international cricketer doesnt automatically qualify you to know what is good or bad for the game. This is the same guy who said you should get 12 runs for 100m sixes...
@@krew111it does qualify you. Otherwise, he wouldn't make such childish remarks. It makes zero sense for a bowler to bowl left handed if he's a right hand bowler. He will not be as effective with his non strong arm. Harsha shows he never played cricket. If we can see a bowler who can bowl with both arms it would be amazing! Harsha argues like kids
@@krew111KP can voice his opinions no matter how ridiculous they seem to you because he played cricket at the highest level. But Harsha should only be allowed to be an anchor. A rickshaw puller can't talk about nuclear science only a scientist can
@@mayankdewli1010 there was actually a guy from Sri Lanka a few years back who could bowl with both arms. Think the rule was that he has to inform the umpire which hand he was going to use before delivering. He was pretty crap but there’s potential for ambidextrous bowlers I suppose. The main argument seems to be why the bowler needs to inform which hand he is using but batsman can change on a whim. It’s not a crazy leap in logic but I can see both sides of the argument. Will be interesting to see if there’s any intervention from ICC
@@krew111 If more bowlers did it, then as they did with the switch hit when KP first did it, the MCC will make a big fuss about it and make their decision. Until then it's hardly worth having a conversation about it, is it. Bogle was making a big deal about nothing in the end IMO. Also as KP said ' let him bowl left handed then' because it would be easier to face because more than likely it would be an absolute pie.
I am for swtich hit. But, in LBW decision, the not-out for pitching outside legstump rule should be removed completely, even if there is no switch hit involved . similarly, if the ball goes outside legstump, it should not be called wid. Because, if the batsman can change stance unconditionally, there is no concept of leg stump or off stump.
I don't have problem with switch hit only if umpires don't consider the pitching of ball means of ur a offspinner bowling over the wicket to left hander who turns and becomes a RH then if he gets hit on the pads then pitching of ball whether it is on left stump side of LH batter should nt be considered pitching may be outside leg still should be given out if it's hitting the stumps
I feel better argument would be to allow bowler bowl from any side of the wicket without informing, because bowling ambidextrous is much harder skill than switching left to right or right to left. Like how bowler sets field for left hand vs right hand batsmen. Batsman also takes guard based on from which side bowler is bowling. If you are allowing batsman to switch than allow bowler to switch as he likes. Run from behind the umpire and pick whatever side you want, that would be 100% entertaining and I am sure KP would approve just because of that.
I think KP is right. Harsha doesn't understand that legality has nothing to do with fairness. We can agree it's unfair to the bowler, but there are no outcomes that suggest switching to be illegal. The batsman just outsmarts the bowler, that's all. One way to deal with it (as suggested by the other comments) is to remove "pitching outside off" as a requirement from the lbw decision in the event of a batsman switching.
KP is visibly miffed coz he was the one who popularized it..... They are making Cricket a batters game. The bowler has to inform to the umpire which is then conveyed to the batsman giving him time to adjust accordingly..... As Harsha said it Just coz it's hard to do doesn't make it fair...it still has to be fair and legal❤❤❤❤
I agree with Harsha, better can switch than why the bowler has to be informed otherwise will be called no ball. Nowadays everything going to be in favour of batters, like flat pitches, short boundaries, two ball used in the match to avoid reverse swing & spin and ball gets soft which is harder to clear the boundaries for batters, measuring the sixes etc
Telling the umpire what am you're going to use to bowl seems like an archaic rule to me. Question is if the player switches, is he considered right or left for LBWs or maybe both?
Its very simple both teams batsman can play reverse sweep and both team bowlers are not allowed to bowl with both hand. Rule are same for both teams and there is no need to argue
By Harsha's logic, a legspinner should not be allowed to bowl a googly, because batsman is mentally prepared to play leg spin, or the fast bowlers should not be allowed to bowl slower balls because batsmen have been told they will be bowling fast deliveries The game is about out-foxing your opponent, so however you can do it
Even though I've mostly felt that switch hits shouldn't be allowed if the bowler can't switch arms as well, after listening too this debate, I can't help but think there is more weight to KP's argument then Harsha's. For one, it's a moot point that if something is too hard to execute (switching bowling arm mid action) then even if you allow it, there would still be hardly anyone bowling that. And Harsha would still be arguing that it's unfair on the bowlers!
Exactly, it was pointless by Bogle to even bring up that bowlers should change arms. if someone was good enough, say a spinner, he'd change say from being a right off spinner, who are more effective against left handers, to become a left armn spinner, to bowl at right-handers,l but we don't because they'd be pies that would get smashed.
both bowler and batsman can be ambidextrous but if the bowler can't switch arm mid delivery, the batsman shouldn't be able to switch order of hands on the bat
KP , I totally agree with you mate, but you know the batter could stop the bowler before the ball being bowled right at the end when the swap happens. It doesn’t end there They take ages to get side screen adjusted. It’s unfortunate that the games have become batter centric. With absolute respect to both of you gents! Just my thoughts
They can spend 13,000 dollars on stumps but not provide commentators a decent chair.
So true ..... why are they seating on a plastic uncomfortable chair , get them decent chair to sit on at least.....I know they are paid good but make them comfortable too
@@kabby2287
Yeaaah
bloody hell they're having to sit on untrustworthy garden chairs that can collapse without reason for hours
haha
Being Richest board in world BCCI is one of the corrupt too.
I would say the switch hit is okay as long as the LBW laws are adjusted to remove pitched outside leg after the batsman has switched. To actually even this out for the bowlers, they should be allowed to manage the ball since the bowlers cannot do anything with the field settings. That would be fair as it is equally hard to manage the ball and control the reversing ball and thus use it to your advantage just as it is for a batter while switch hitting.
Very good idea, will be a nightmare for umpires though.
they are already adjusted for that. Wides and LBW are judged where batters are facing when playing the ball, not their initial stance.
@@shijinthomas7375 Not really, we can have a simple rule for that. As long as the ball doesn't lose the seam, the stitching or doesn't go out of shape it remains in play. What say?
Thanks for saying
In an LBW appeal for a switch hit, only thing that should be considered has to be whether the ball would hit the stumps irrespective of where it pitched. The batsman should know that risk before playing that shot.
It's not more rubbish than suggesting that 12 runs should be awarded for hitting a 100m six.
😂
Stfu Harsha was not right here don't back him just for the sake he's Indian
@kolamol8991-cy3ngyou lack basic comprehension skills. you are the one who needs to grow up.
@kolamol8991-cy3ng did you even understand what I said? I am backing Harsha here. Grow up and brush up on your comprehension skills.
Switch hit is talent not any crime in cricket don't simply defend that Harsha who is talking rubbish just because he is indian kp 12 runs was also made no sense rubbish but this was also rubbish by that harsha now adays he is becoming like that waste Sanjay Mumbai lobby manjrekar speaking and tweetting utter rubbish this Harsha doing nowadays
Meanwhile Hindi commentators: "So beautiful, so elegant just looking like a wow" 🤡
Yeah like 'Himmati hona chhahiye' 'Bahut mushkilo se nikal kar aaye hai' 'Mehnat aur prayas jaari hai' all kind of nonsense irrelevant motivational quotes.
Like English commentator don't do that your just baised bcz of all the brainwashing by British and southies.
True
Guys harsha is just having fun by throwing this debate. Kp is also smiling. Don't spread hate.
Its a long test match. Commentators have to make it engaging. Just enjoy it 😂
Partly fun, partly serious.
KP seemed genuinely annoyed. Harsha enjoying the debate and KPs anger.
Spot on.
KP doesn't give a damn about poor indians
I agree with Harsha
Harsha's capacity to take in harsh words in an argument like this ( I have noticed this coming from Sanjay Manjrekar too in one of his now quite famous discussion with him )is a life lesson . His ability to argue/ discuss with grace is remarkable despite the impoliteness of the other side. I think he once more represented the thoughts of millions of fans and thousands of bowlers in this "debate". Keep it up Harsha . We need you as fans because you represent us and we want you to create few more Harshas in the interest of Cricket and particularly for us fans. KP , I really enjoy hearing you but come on, where else in the world you will get to be a part of such arguments, debated with great points and gracefully . Please shakehands over a meal with him or get invited to his house for a veg. meal and meet his great wife who will also enrich you intellectually .Once more, we fans need you quite badly for enriching ourselves with the threads of this game .. and what a resource you both are .
I disagree , KP is a good batsman but thats it, rubbish commentator, his opinions are just trash. Harsha is a treasure.
Harsha didn't argue gracefully or intelligently at all. He repeatedly said "just because it's difficult doesn't make it legal" which is completely irrelevant and at no point did KP say that anything that's difficult should be legal. Harsha SHOULD have said, and I expect he intended to say "just because it's difficult doesn't mean it should be legal". The point is, it IS legal, so the case has to be made for making it illegal. KPs point that a bowler should be allowed to bowl right or left handed is much more valid, and would represent an incredible effort by the bowler to increase his skill level to the point where he can bowl proficiently with both hands. Why not allow it instead of an embarrassing argument that a terrific skill by batsmen should be banned
Kp has anger and temperament issue. Harsha is a true gentleman, he is just having fun but KP only thinking as a batsman. Already it's too biased world for bowlers. A bowler overstepping is free hit but for batsman it's claps and claps. Unfair rules.
@infogaanja2323 remember that batsman has only 1 life and bowler has many chances to take wickets
Everyone is Brahmin pullingo...only words...KP real cricketer...who is Harsha?
😂 this was even funnier at the end when suddenly harsha pops up and says subscribe talk sport...🤭
Cuz he was brought to talk by them
To be very honest Harsha had a valid point here. If its allowed then allow it to both bowler and batsman. If not then deny it to both bowler and a batsman. Fair
I agree with that absolutely it's no different at all.
Harsha's point is not valid at all . There are lot of restriction put in place like the bowler has to bowl from a box which he cannot cross , cant bowl outside the pitch otherwise called a no ball or wide ball. Cant bowl over the head again it will be called a wide , cant bowl a beamer it will be called No ball , Tell me what restriction a batsmen has , almost nothing. batsmen holds a bat in both hands , top and bottom , so he using both hands whereas bowler at the time of delivery can use only one arm . Can he throw like a volleyball or football it will be illegal again. So U can call unfair to the bowlers but still doesnt make it illegal.
Great point by Harsha
Harsha is big mouth Tamil weak genetic brhmn like ashwin..kevin is legendary genetic freak
It’s an interesting debate. The switch hit has been played for years now and no one should be saying it should be illegal. However, the game has got to the point where there are more advantages (equipment-wise) for the batsman…look at their considerably chunkier bats these days. It’s not as if cricket balls have a lot of leeway for innovation these days, for example with greater pronounced seams, although it has been reported in the past the Duke balls were designed with a higher seam to aid certain seam bowlers. I think it is something that should be looked at. Good points made including that the bowler has to bowl to a field set prior to the ball being bowled, yet the batter can switch from right to left-handed or vise versa. Certainly hard to counter. If the bowler could come either side without prior notification to the umpire, perhaps it evens it up a bit fir the bowler. Still, all scenarios would have to be looked at. One last point - did India do enough tactically to try and counter Pope’s switch hits🤷♂️?
Switch hit should be allowed, but if the ball hits the pads anywhere near the wickets the batter should be given out. batter cannot have both ways, no pun intended.
Also, if the fielder can change their fielding position when the bowler is running in.
True if it’s a switch hit regardless of where the ball pitches if impact is in line and hitting wickets it should be out….
Fair rule!
@@RudraS-p9uno that's stupid
So, whenever a bowler bowling offspin and then want to bowl a carrom ball, then he or she have to say to the umpire. Because if a bowler bowl some variation, then a batter can bat with his or her variation.
Pietersen is gold on commentary. He adds spice and emotions in the commentary and makes us believe that humans are commentating, otherwise, other commentators makes it seem like robots are commentating. Pietersen acts like WWE commentators, where two commentators have a difference in opinions and they argue.
KP is an egotistical maniac on comms, that's about it.
you can make a conversation interesting by being funny or adding some insight to it. "You're talking rubbish" is not an excuse for entertainment its kinda rude how he said it as well
@@Shaitan-K.Pillay That's not only his problem this is the story of every English man out there. They tend to show the world everything when it comes to cricket no doubt the infrastructure is very good there but the way or the brand of cricket which they are promoting or thinking that the rest of the world will follow is absolutely rubbish. Let's see from 5 years of now.
I agree Switch Hit should be allowed. But Harsha has a fair point then bowler should also have the right to change hands .
Why only batters?
Fielders should be allowed to change positions when bowlers start running in
@@av98 - that is absolute rubbish...its not possible to announce in a split second when you instinctively hit a shot. KP is right; there is a degree of difficulty in switch hitting and its impossible to inform. Harsha is just aging.
@@bornkamwhats more difficult batting and doing a switch hit or bowling with wrong arm?
@@arkhamknight5891 okay but its not possible to notify while hitting.
@@bornkam Ur opinion is absolutely rubbish
This was just 2 men having a passionate discussion about sport. That’s it 👍🏻
Great points by both of them
@@Hector18843 definitely! The media just like to stir some bullshit
No. It wasn't.. it was a frustrated Indian trying to amend rules of the game to benefit his losing side.. biased harsha
No. It wasn't.. it was a frustrated Indian trying to amend rules of the game to benefit his losing side.. biased harsha
No. It wasn't.. it was a frustrated Indian trying to amend rules of the game to benefit his losing side.. biased harsha
If the batsman switch hits the bowler should get the benefit of the doubt on lbw/pitching outside leg/ hitting outside off ie there is no outside leg as there is no true leg stump
100% agree
Exactly right , if switch hitting if it’s going to hit the stumps regardless of where it’s pitching it’s out
And no wides for anything within the return crease on either side
Well said.
I agree with Harsha
In my opinion, Kevin is right. There are many instances where batsmen try to overcome bowlers' plans, such as stepping out or moving across the crease. Bowlers can bowl numerous overs, even if they perform poorly with many extras, but batsmen have only one wicket. I believe bowlers already have an upper hand by setting the field according to the batsmen and could bowl according to field bowl. Harsha's conversation is like a bowler should not bowl a yorker if he sets a field for short ball.
With the arrival of t20 cricket, the batsman always has the upper hand. Things shouldn't be made more difficult for the bowlers.
Oh my god what a rubbish argument, "a bowler already has an upper hand bowling according to the field"?? Seriously man? what do you want the batsman to be given choice to make all the fielders stand behind the keeper? What about the batsman trying to hit the ball on the leg side even when it was bowled on wide off... dude It is cricket not an Indian court
Also bowlers have to bowl numerous overs dude even if they are going for runs, that's cricket dude... what are these lame arguments. Harsha makes a very simple clean argument.. if you can bat like anything, then the bowler should be allowed to bowl anything.. and you should know bowlers have way more restrictions.. no balls, wides, and one or no tip balls..
He says not to change what is registered. He's registered as RHB. Changing hands is different from reverse shot
Kp always gives some rubbish statements, some days back he is saying a player should get 12 runs if he hit 100m six. Like seriously?
Harsha is equally stupid
That way a bowler should get two wickets if he breaks the stumps 😂
Dude they are having fun. Don't read too much into it.
Bruh it’s only bloody joke, why do u have to take everything so seriously.
I'm with KP here.. Switch hit is not easy.. Basically you are putting your self at risk to give your wicket away while playing the shot & bowler have every opportunity to take it & At the end of the day as a bowler I'd rater bowl to a Batsmen who's looking to take me on rather rather then bowling to the likes of Dravid, Kallis, Chanderapaul
Flawed statement. Bowler has set fielding for a right handed batsmen and when he plays left handed then bowler has not set the field for such a situation.
So then lbw rules eill be adjusted ? rubbish argument by KP
But If the bowler changes his arm, he is also risking a lot since he won't be bowling with his strong arm and batsmen will have a better chance of hitting it if its a bad ball..but then why bowler has to inform the umpire beforehand and the batter doesn't? That's the whole arguement.
Your statement is flawed. First of all regarding the field setting like the person above said. Secondly it’s a switch hit (it’s a surprise) bowler doesn’t know whether he has an opportunity to take it until he release the ball. So what advantage are you talking about here ?
What about the field set up for the righty by the bowler , all goes in vain
Harsha has made a valid point.
Degree of difficulty cannot be a guide to right and wrong.
Though degree of difficulty and the skill required for execution is the reason that this has not become an issue.
However some day, if every batter does this, then it will become a relevant point which may need to be officially resolved, one way or another.
No he hasn’t. Talking utter shite
Harsha is rubbish ….. how can he say it is not legal ? It’s legal that’s why the batsman is doing it ……and Harsha is arguing with Kevin who has big experience …… nobody is saying Indian batsman to not do it , why is Harsha moaning ……..
@@tenzintashi9957 Seems like you didn't listen. Do you want to replay?
@@jamiecook7926KP is gone now. Who cares what he thinks is right!
@@pooonniwhy are you arguing without any valid point kp has played the game and knows more than Harsha so don't know what is he trying to prove
Agree with KP here. The conditions for batting are set by the bowler, the bowler is allowed to swing the ball either way and the batsman is well within their rights to play it to the best of their ability. If ambideterity were commonplace I’m sure the mid runup switch would be allowed too. Game would evolve..but saying that a momentary “expression” should not be allowed is a thought from someone who is stuck in their ways.
Well it's pretty simple to me...Allow switch hit only If the rule of bowl pitching outside leg does not apply for lbw i.e. The batsmen can be judged lbw irrespective of where the ball has pitched if it is going on to hit the stumps and the bowler is allowed to change hands during action.
If switch hit is unfair then a fast bowler running in from 15 yard and bowling an off cutter to deceive a batsman should be banned and called illegal.
if a bowler balling variations should be deemed illegal than a batsman playing variety of shots should also be illegal
Switch hit is entertaining and should be allowed. Just a change to LBW scenario must be made.
Also, bowlers shouldn't need to inform the umpire/batsmen what they are bowling.
@@induction7895 or if they are using sandpaper.
Underarm bowling is entertaining too for children, should be allowed in countries with young population
What about bowlers bowling off spin and leg spin interchangeably
Inane Harsha..holding on to one narrow lame logic and going on and on with it. Hard to argue with that. One nuance in this I think Ashwin argued some time ago, was that he wanted "pitched outside leg stump" to be done away with for LBWs when the batsman switches, and that's fair!
It's simple logic mate...if batters can switch from lefty to righty or vice versa ,without asking umpires permission, then bowlr should also be given the luxury to bowl left or right as it seems with out th permission...
To answer your's yes Ashwin sometime spoke on this he didn't want LBW rule for pitching outside leg he said when a right hander switches to left hand and plays a shot and in that instance if the ball happens hits the pads of the batter, it should be considered
hes doing what he is expecting to, making idiots like you react
@kolamol8991-cy3ng I don't understand what "a person from an educated, developed country" find hard in understanding how it is an advantage to the batter. The field placement is set for the left hander, the bowler is bowling considering the weakness of the same, the batsman switches, now he has got a ball which is good to hit in that field placements while the bowler can't do anything about it. If that's not unfair to you then yeah even if half the world is run by indians, we would prefer to be a country of uneducated people.
Inane kaali
Harsha is my favorite commentator but here KP is absolutely correct it's batter courage to counter the risk of switch last minute with equal chances of giving his wicket
But the issue is the batsman are getting better and better at this. Look at maxwell now. He hits switch hit sixes like a piece of cake.
You can’t set field when a batsman gets really good at switch hitting.
Courage? They will soon lose it if the LBW rules are applied based on their switch (right or left).
If a batter plays a switch hit, then the ball shouldn't be called wide on either side if it's within the two wide markers. Also when the ball hits his pads, we shouldn't consider pitched outside leg as a deciding factor. If these changes are made, the game would be more fair.
I had the same view for reverse and switch hits. The ball pitching should be dicounted and given in favor of the bowler . period
I agree with both points. Why not also have a limit on the number of switch hits in an over, similar to how a bowler is limited with bouncers?
Good suggestion
So a sweep 6 is ok but a switch hit 6 should be illegal? Makes no sense. Why can a fast bowler ball a slower delivery or a spinner bowl a fast one? Ridiculous argument! A switch hit doesn't "make" the batsman left handed all of a sudden, its a difficult shot in a batsman's repertoire just like the "over the shoulder scoop", a helicopter shot and other modern cricketing shots... that's what makes a batsman a 360° player.
Salty Harsha being salty
Dunno about salty but my guess is Harsha is upset because a DRS review went against India on a switch hit and now he's finding excuses to make it illegal. Nothing to do with ambidextrous bowlers
I support KP’s view that both switch hit and either arm bowling without informing the umpire should be allowed. It’s more innovative and more exciting and requires way more skill.
That's Harsha's point lol
@@rahulsrinivas3224😂😂😂😂
@@rahulsrinivas3224 Nah, there is a huge difference that's why there is an argument.
Harsha says both should be allowed but if one is not allowed then other should be banned.
KP says both should be allowed but if one is not allowed then it doesn't mean other should be banned.
Also, the fielder should be allowed to change their fielding position when the bowler is running in.
@@rahulsrinivas3224 The point Kevin Pietersen was saying it is allowed! The other thing to say is that Muttiah Muaralitharan could bowl both off spin variations and leg spin variations too. He didn't need to tell the batsmen which type he would bowl to the batsmen!!
Ha ha ha Usually it’s the English who talk about sour grapes.. well well well Things change. Well played Ollie Pope, Well played England
Forget ambidexterity, have the non striker back-up on the nearby strips and let the bowler decide over or round the wicket for himself, without telling the umpire
Let bowlers bow over or round the wicket last minute and let batters switch hit makes the game more entertaining and more tactical
@@jxswu3224And fielders can change their positions after a bowler starts his run-up and he is bowling too 😏
I think this is such a brilliant idea. Anyways these last couple of decades have been the creation of rules to make the game more batsman dominated.
They can start launching this as something which is available for 5 overs or something
You want a clown show?
@@tanz7877 isn't it already?
I never actually thought about it that way. I think Harsha made a good point. If a bowler can't change his bowling arm, then how can a batter change his batting hand? I'm with Harsha on this.
I wonder why they are not provided a cushioned chair 🙄
Simple solution - don’t require bowler to state which arm they are bowling, only over or around the wicket
Why even require that though? Just let the bowler run up and choose.
Never thought I'd ever agree with KP in any debate, but they had this whole dispute back at the time he first did it in 2008 and no one has objected to it for 15 years
The shot was approved and deemed legal by the MCC, so Bhogle's dislike of the shot is merely his opinion.
@@AW_77 so is mankidding so why the fuzz on taht as well???
@@amoghghade1 because it sucks... Watching someone switch hit a 6 is almost as good as it gets. Watching some dead bowler cheaply take wickets without even bowling is not
Vettori had applead first 20008 ..after that every modern day great Maxwell, abd etc ...who knows abd in 2006 , 2007..remember abd got debut 2004..
@@gwarhnden watching a batsman stand tere when he has clearly nicked the ball is great to watch as well
As I ponder over this debate, there's something very basic about cricket that hit me. What if we all are looking at and comparing just the incremental benefits and updates for batsmen vs bowlers but the MCC & the likes are looking at it from a very basic point of few? That is, a Batsman gets only one chance to make a fatal error, so if he is trying to switch hit and doesn't pull it off he can lose his wicket whereas for a bowler there's no concept of a fatal error except for bowling a beamer for the second time in the game. Add to it the fact that against a Batsman is a Bowler along with other 10 fielders spread on a huge field whereas for the bowlers that's the advantage. So now a switch hit is just an added advantage to the batsmen only if they can pull it off correctly or it Definitely adds just another fatal error for them. Perhaps, this is what KP meant to convey there and couldn't really articulate it better and kept insisting on how difficult it is to execute.
I totally understand the above argument could be laid to rest by pointing at the ease with which batsmen are marauding the bowlers and plundering runs at will. I was just introducing a different perspective to the debate.
it depends one how you coin the term "fatal mistake". its not that every time a batsman outside edges the ball it goes to a fielder or inside edges and the ball hits the stumps , nor every lofted mishit reaches a fielder. the boundaries are much smaller than they used to be, the bats are much thicker, 2 balls are used instead of 1 and bowlers can only ball 1 delivery above the shoulder of the batsman. the game now is more advantageous to a batsman than it is to a bowler
@@icmrxo3arava806 I agree, that was my first instinct as well which is why my first comment on this video says that bowlers should be allowed to tamper with the ball and bring reverse swing into play which is an art and equally hard to control and manage. This comment was just to highlight what KP's thought process might have been.
KP is giving a batsman's view. I agree with Harsha on this, actually. Cricket has become such a batsmen's game and therefore it is only fair to make switch hit illegal or like Harsha suggested, make switch bowling legal as well
who's ever going to switch hit bowl anyway 😂😂
Batsman do this with own skill how can this is not allowed are you seriuos
@@Hassnian-xq4sk Are you serious?? If a batsman does it, it is a "skill", then why isn't the bowler allowed to exhibit the same "skill"? Why is it called a no ball?
Harsha never played cricket and it shows
@@mayankdewli1010 lol he played until his academic years, and has been doing commentary on the sport since over 30 years, how qualified are you to have a more valid opinion than him?
Not to say that you can't give an opinion, but your statement "he has never played and it shows" is laughable considering he has surely accomplished a lot more than you have in that sport.
The batters advantage in playing a switch hit is off set by the degree of difficulty in playing the shot. So its fair to allow switch hit.
bloody hell the talksport comms box looks budget
Trouble is bowling is a lot more clear cut to be left or right handed whereas batting gets a bit more blurred with how you class left handed e.g. if you do a switch hit but don’t swap your hands over or do switch you hands over but don’t put your other foot forward etc
KP is a passionate cricketer and his passion is getting the better of the validity of his argument here. He needs to calm down and see this from the perspective of the other players on the field. His lack of experience working together (pun intended) with others is showing here, like he did on the field during his playing days.
My thoughts too, I was shocked when he did not realize that switching hand without informing umpire is a noball.
@@varunjaihind3904 That's wrong, nobody had even thought about the switch hit until KP did it. Then the MCC ruled it legal and it has been ever since, thatg''s why we still see it played. Ateotd if I was a bowler, I'd want someone to play the switch hit, more chance in getting him out. just like if I was a batsman, let the bowler chuick a ball down with his poorer arm. Very few if any, even ambidextrous people can bowl good with both arms.
Harsha Bhogle got a good point, and still he is saying this in light humorous way. But KP is so arrogant.
He took it personally and that’s ok not all five fingers are the same
Im ok with a switch hit. If you as Harsha says 1) allow bowlers to bowl with either hand without informing 2) at the point of switching the LBW rule of pitching outside is done away with (offspin bowler to a left hander could pitch outside leg for a righty and still be out) 3) get rid of the 2 fielder behind leg law.
No, the fair thing in 2nd point will be irrespective of if you switch or not, pitching outside leg should be given out, because how will a bowler know if the batsman will switch or not? And the batter can decide anytime to switch
Indian players can't execute this skill, so automatically it should be illegal.
Like it 😂
Joker!
Yeah Sky plays for England.
Clearly you don't watch cricket. Fam go sleep.
For your kind information it was sachin who introduced this this shot
This debate cant be bats vs bowlers in the physical sense , the batters are allowed to make a 100 movements including stance feet approach and what not before the ball is delivered, and thats because the flow of the game each delivery is dictated by the bowler , setting fields and offering deliveries , it is a batters game , a bowler or a bowler's advocate needs to accept that and then play it within the rules
The fact is that if this was a genuine option for bowlers they would try to get the rule changed. But it would be a disadvantage for bowlers to bowl wrong handed. In the same way it is technically a disadvantage to bat wrong handed and only the very best can do it, but they don't do it for most shots even so. The batsman who has the most shots is the best to watch and if bowlers want to switch I would support them trying to get the rules changed but it isn't something that bothers them because it is too much of a disadvantage to do it.
As soon as an Indian batsman will acquire that skill, it will become legal in the eyes of Harsha.
Power of BCCI 😂
@@vijaymehta5538you dnt have to apologize, nobdy cares about what u think.
Exactly this he does as he is told by the BCCI and offers no original thoughts with his commentary.
@@jimmyc7624 he has a point though
If prohibition door is opened then intentional DILSCOOP shot should also be banned according to his theory as field isnt set for that shot.
Fast bowlers can bowl slower deliveries. Off spinners can bowl the leg break and leggies can bowl the googly. The thing is bowlers bowl with one hand. Batsman bat with two hands. Rules are different yet fair to both, so switch hit is legal.
Remember when Warne a leg spinner, bowled a bouncer at KP in 2005 and everyone thought it was funny.
So, if a right handed who switch hits gets LBW, how is his LBW reviewed? Is it like a left handed or right hander? Because the off stump and the line would change for either batting styles
Current law is that its defined as how he starts the delivery. But a switch hit should negate this.
@@karthikayanagaraj9426 No it shouldn’t! Batsman rarely, if ever, switch hit a ball that is pitched anywhere but middle, off or outside off so they take the risk of being lbw, which is rightly adjudicated from the position they initially faced up from.
Well said KP..You are right, the skill required to suddenly switch to left handed batting is huge..Sour grapes comes to mind..Would he be saying it if it was any Indian batter. I think not..
Switch hitting is perfectly valid as the 'batsman' has to physically change their stance - that takes at least a 3rd of a second and that extra precious moment dose give the bowler a wicket taking opportunity they previously would not have. That is where the skill is. I would love to have seen Kevin Pietersen try to switch hit Jeff Thompson, Michael Holding or Alan Donald. They would bowl far too fast to allow the batsman to even dare; and they would certainly have bounced them and had balls whistling past the head if they had tried it a second time.
I have decided that all bowler variations are unfair as they are hard for the batsmen to adjust.
So no need of bowlers. Let the batsman throw the ball in the air and hit it. The fielders will get the ball and hand it to the batsman.
There is nobody in cricket as logical as Harsha Bhogle. There are so many rules in cricket favouring only batsmen. This is another one that i never thought of and Harsha is damn right here.
Hatasha has a valid point. We need to think about it
Problem is just becoz our Indian batters are not able to play Reverse sweeps that often that doesn't make it illegal
i think it is fun to watch a switch hit tbh but i believe they should make a rule on number of switch hits just like the number of bouncers a bowler can hit
only one switch hit in an over if he repeats then batsman will be given out
Harsha got KP rattled here 😂
No not really , harsha proved how dumb founded one can be , imagine this was virat batting he would have praised like no other , art skill bla bla bla , it’s a Indian mindset , upbringing and narrow minded
By moving 2 feets away from kp ?
He was a professional sportsman and he’s notoriously infantile. Harsha was just being cautious
Nothing rattles KP, he's Saffa
@@MrVishen7 yes.....KP is rattled by nothing BUT someone disagreeing with him.
About time this gross of salad of words harsha got a software update live on camera
I think KP is right here but both sides are compelling
harsha is right and kp is my hero but he can be really arrogant at times, thats why he was out of england team
Harsha just having fun
Switch hit is also a talent. Not every one can do it. You cannot comparing bating with bowling . Batsmen have all the option to move and make way, come down the pitch and change length of bowling.
Just because India suffered this time doesn’t make it wrong.
The fact that nobody complains about reverse sweep when it's ipl or world, in fact same harsha appreciates those shorts. Why is he complaining now when it is against india
Both points are valid. If the batter has developed the skill to hit both sided, he should be allowed to do so, but it should also be allowed for the bowler to bowl from whichever end or arm they want, if they have enough skill, without informing the umpire or the batter.
As KP said, as a bowler he would prefer to bowl to a batter batting wrong armed, it can also be said that as a batter i would much rather a guy bowl to me wrong armed. Thats the flaw in KPs logic. He is seeing it as the bowler getting an advantage when the batter is switching but he isnt seeing that because the batter can decide his actions based on the field set he can take away fielders out of equation by creating new angles. And if thats the case, the bowler should be allowed to bowl from either side of the wicket or either armed if he has enough skill so that he can still have a surpise factor going into his stride
What is sauce for goose is also sauce for the gander.
Bowlers also decieve batters with in and out swing, offspin & doosra, leg break & googly. Switch hit is just another variation of cricket shots just like bowlers have many variations.
harsha is technically right there...its like cheating the bowler since field is set for right hander...on the other hand.. i don't think it will affect the batter if the bowler switches arms...coz the ball is still coming from the same angle irrespective of the arm...
Are you serious, there is a massive different between left arm of-spin then right, i.e. if ashwin starts bowling left handed to stokes it now means the ball is spinning into him rather than away as he is bowling now right handed, so there is a massive affect on how the batsmen lines him up and plays with a change of hand
@@mawaiskhan1791 dude..dont think you understand off spin...you are talking about left arm leg spin like jadeja...its a whole different skill...and ashwin can still bowl the ball to spin either way with the same hand...nothing to do with right or left arm !
I am a big fan of KP but this one was a huge L for KP...
Bhogle on a serious wind up today, suckering KP in with football talk, then assassinating the shot he invented.
I think KP should have told him to back off rather than storming off.
KP is talking bullshit. Bowling from square leg is hard, It should be allowed.😂
It is allowed
Harsha knows nothing
@@rishabh4539 didn't Harsha open the batting for India once?
@@jehanariyaratnam2874 and did what? 😂
@@hoehoe360 he got a few 100s against Eng aus and the Wi in the 80s
If we follow through with Harsha's logic then the doosra should also be deemed as illegal
Why and how ?
In light of Harsha's argument, my question to him is what is the difference between a reverse sweep and switch hit? Its basically creating the same issue that he is raising regarding the captain setting a field for a certain handed batter.
Tomorrow he will say, batsman coming down the ground is unfair and should be banned just because bowlers can't overstep.
KP is way off.. Makes no sense by saying the way he did & was trying to defend himself in whatever way possible.. Switch hit as Harsha pointed out gives a totally unfair advantage to the batsman over the bowler.
As being a terrific batsman gives an advantage. It is legal as the umpires allow it and it adds to the entertainment of the game. It carries a risk so even players than can play it, play it rarely.
I like that Harsha kept commentating about the ongoing game in between the debate. That's real professonalism👍👍
Harsha is rubbish commentator as a indian I am ashamed we have to hear him say same things over and over again , he has limited vocab and him fanboying indian cricketers just is turn off I mute my tv whenever he is on
kp is rubbish aswell
What's wrong with fanboying his country team
Harsha is absolutely patriotic he said well played India after losing the world cup final
@@botslayerwr1975 A commentator should be unbiased and neutral
As zaheer khan once said it is always a difficult game for bowlers
Let any international bowler listen to this conversation and act accordingly.
A right arm bowler tries to bowl left handed.
It's too difficult but can try in international level.
It is surprising that KP as a top notch international cricketer with more than a 100 Tests was not aware of the bowler having to inform the Umpire to bowl with the other arm. There is an element of surprise when a right handed bowler suddenly bowls left handed which can be tried out in T20' to see it's impact as the margin for a bowler is so little. If it works well then it can gradually move to ODIs & finally to Tests. But here KP is right that it should be allowed.
Harsha has a valid point ! kp is just thick headed.. typical pom
If switch hitting should be banned, then so should googly and doosrah. Same principle; you can’t just bowl a different kind of ball without informing the umpire/batsmen. It’s a dumb argument imo to the detriment of creativity and innovation. Its like saying snooker players can’t change hands in the middle of the game
I was actually looking for a comment like this ❤❤
No one said switch hit should be banned. Watch the video again.
@@rahulsrinivas3224 ummmmm…. I can only assume you are deaf or do not understand English. That is exactly what Harsha Bhogle said. He says it at 00:37
@@iamls360sterriker9I am not deaf and I know a little bit of English (not as great as your Oxford dictionary level English though). His basic point is that the bowler should be allowed to bowl with either left or right hand without notifying the umpire, otherwise the switch hit should also be not allowed. If the bowler has to inform the umpire whether he is bowling right or left handed, shouldn't the batsman also follow the same rule?
@@rahulsrinivas3224 sorry, again, he says straight up ‘the switch hit should be banned’, and part of his reasoning is what you have just stated. He was quite explicit which is why they had the argument. I think you are lacking the comprehensive skills. ‘The switch hit should be banned because x’
I think he is wrong. The batsman does not just bat left handed, they switch when ball is in flight, so they are technically playing a shot as a right hander because the ball has already been bowled.
Both points are right to make it legal icc have to come up with some ideas that gives both of them advantage in game
KP is correct in what he's said. We need commentators to be as honest as he is
Then y does the bowler have to tell to the umpire before switching the side nd y nt the batsman...
@soniaaaaable The bowler is advising the umpire beforehand. A batsman can premeditate a switch, but it defeats the purpose of him saying something because he's doing it midway through a shot.
@@shadrianshadrach3804 then why was murli called for chucking??? why are bowler called for suspect action?? why only yhe rule for bowlers where as the batter can bat however he wants??
@amoghghade1 In fairness, those umpires were idiots. There was prejudice against Murali and Ajamal.
Absolute entertainment..true gentlemen..both of them. Strongly believing in their own perspectives. Yet conveying them in the most polite way.
Harsha is pathetic...i have been seeing this recently he is getting very stupid with his thought process...please share this comment and make him read this....batsman playing a switch hit is his shot and he need not tell about it...its like a fast bowler never tells an umpire before bowling a slower ball...or a spinner never tells umpire before bowling a fast ball....Just as we say those deliveries are a variation similarly playing a switch hit is a variation for any batsman....Harsha please get yourself sorted you are getting lame day by day..
Variation in bowling and playing a certain bat direction are completely different things.
But he also said that if the bowler is allowed to bowl left or right without informing them switch hit is not a problem
Then bowling with different hand should also be variation??
@@zeus3086 how is it different? When a bowler says right arm off spin how can he bowl a fast ball? How can an off spin bowler bowl the other one? Or a leg spin bowler bowl a googly that goes other direction to what their attack originally is... that's the reason there are sightscreens in cricket for batsman to identify such changes... similarly bowler must be cautious and have detailed view of batsmen's footwork to pre-empt what he is trying to do... that's what the challenge is simple
Do u believe in setting a field for a batsman
I don't know why harsha pulled that debate, there was no need. When someone plays a switch hit, it shows how versatile a player is. So what's the problem here?
Harsha hasn't played cricket ever and is arguing with an international cricketer lol 😅😂😂😂 what a clown
Just because you are in international cricketer doesnt automatically qualify you to know what is good or bad for the game. This is the same guy who said you should get 12 runs for 100m sixes...
@@krew111it does qualify you. Otherwise, he wouldn't make such childish remarks. It makes zero sense for a bowler to bowl left handed if he's a right hand bowler. He will not be as effective with his non strong arm. Harsha shows he never played cricket. If we can see a bowler who can bowl with both arms it would be amazing! Harsha argues like kids
@@krew111KP can voice his opinions no matter how ridiculous they seem to you because he played cricket at the highest level. But Harsha should only be allowed to be an anchor. A rickshaw puller can't talk about nuclear science only a scientist can
@@mayankdewli1010 there was actually a guy from Sri Lanka a few years back who could bowl with both arms. Think the rule was that he has to inform the umpire which hand he was going to use before delivering. He was pretty crap but there’s potential for ambidextrous bowlers I suppose.
The main argument seems to be why the bowler needs to inform which hand he is using but batsman can change on a whim. It’s not a crazy leap in logic but I can see both sides of the argument. Will be interesting to see if there’s any intervention from ICC
@@krew111 If more bowlers did it, then as they did with the switch hit when KP first did it, the MCC will make a big fuss about it and make their decision. Until then it's hardly worth having a conversation about it, is it. Bogle was making a big deal about nothing in the end IMO. Also as KP said ' let him bowl left handed then' because it would be easier to face because more than likely it would be an absolute pie.
1:32 sounds like Jarrod
I am with kp
I am for swtich hit. But, in LBW decision, the not-out for pitching outside legstump rule should be removed completely, even if there is no switch hit involved . similarly, if the ball goes outside legstump, it should not be called wid. Because, if the batsman can change stance unconditionally, there is no concept of leg stump or off stump.
I don't have problem with switch hit only if umpires don't consider the pitching of ball means of ur a offspinner bowling over the wicket to left hander who turns and becomes a RH then if he gets hit on the pads then pitching of ball whether it is on left stump side of LH batter should nt be considered pitching may be outside leg still should be given out if it's hitting the stumps
I feel better argument would be to allow bowler bowl from any side of the wicket without informing, because bowling ambidextrous is much harder skill than switching left to right or right to left.
Like how bowler sets field for left hand vs right hand batsmen. Batsman also takes guard based on from which side bowler is bowling. If you are allowing batsman to switch than allow bowler to switch as he likes. Run from behind the umpire and pick whatever side you want, that would be 100% entertaining and I am sure KP would approve just because of that.
Harsha for once was talking rubbish. Would he be the same if an Indian batter masters the switch hit.
I think they should just take away the informing the umpire rule
I think KP is right. Harsha doesn't understand that legality has nothing to do with fairness. We can agree it's unfair to the bowler, but there are no outcomes that suggest switching to be illegal.
The batsman just outsmarts the bowler, that's all.
One way to deal with it (as suggested by the other comments) is to remove "pitching outside off" as a requirement from the lbw decision in the event of a batsman switching.
KP is visibly miffed coz he was the one who popularized it.....
They are making
Cricket a batters game.
The bowler has to inform to the umpire which is then conveyed to the batsman giving him time to adjust accordingly.....
As Harsha said it
Just coz it's hard to do doesn't make it fair...it still has to be fair and legal❤❤❤❤
I agree with Harsha, better can switch than why the bowler has to be informed otherwise will be called no ball. Nowadays everything going to be in favour of batters, like flat pitches, short boundaries, two ball used in the match to avoid reverse swing & spin and ball gets soft which is harder to clear the boundaries for batters, measuring the sixes etc
Telling the umpire what am you're going to use to bowl seems like an archaic rule to me.
Question is if the player switches, is he considered right or left for LBWs or maybe both?
As soon as India starts to play the reverse sweep it’s legal 😂
As soon as Pakistan continues losing, the match is fixed!!!
Its very simple both teams batsman can play reverse sweep and both team bowlers are not allowed to bowl with both hand. Rule are same for both teams and there is no need to argue
By Harsha's logic, a legspinner should not be allowed to bowl a googly, because batsman is mentally prepared to play leg spin, or the fast bowlers should not be allowed to bowl slower balls because batsmen have been told they will be bowling fast deliveries
The game is about out-foxing your opponent, so however you can do it
Even though I've mostly felt that switch hits shouldn't be allowed if the bowler can't switch arms as well, after listening too this debate, I can't help but think there is more weight to KP's argument then Harsha's. For one, it's a moot point that if something is too hard to execute (switching bowling arm mid action) then even if you allow it, there would still be hardly anyone bowling that. And Harsha would still be arguing that it's unfair on the bowlers!
Exactly, it was pointless by Bogle to even bring up that bowlers should change arms. if someone was good enough, say a spinner, he'd change say from being a right off spinner, who are more effective against left handers, to become a left armn spinner, to bowl at right-handers,l but we don't because they'd be pies that would get smashed.
How long is Jadeja bowling 😅
both bowler and batsman can be ambidextrous but if the bowler can't switch arm mid delivery, the batsman shouldn't be able to switch order of hands on the bat
KP , I totally agree with you mate, but you know the batter could stop the bowler before the ball being bowled right at the end when the swap happens. It doesn’t end there They take ages to get side screen adjusted. It’s unfortunate that the games have become batter centric. With absolute respect to both of you gents! Just my thoughts