I love that someone finally made Portia realise that her dissatisfaction is sorta in her head, or rather that given the beautiful places they have been to in this movie. Jack’s past was so difficult that he truly appreciates and absorbs the experiences he goes through, while Portia lives and thrives off of expectations not being met
No, Jack is a broken man who is here justifying *to himself* the murder he's been asked to be complicit in and the one he's supposed to commit but gives up on in the last moment. Jack isn't right, he's rationalizing. What helps Portia in the end is realizing the edge she barely didn't step over.
@@nsimmonds Jack was supposed to murder Portia, right? Ugh so creepy. Also after this exchange and then later when he was drunk, you could tell that she was realizing she was having to act as his mom.
@@kbanghart i don’t think he was supposed to murder her, just distract her and keep her from tanya. Thats why greg was so upset that tanya brought her on the trip because she wasnt accounted for in his plan.
@@MartialArtsCat101 very possible. I love how it was kinda left to the viewer. Cuz he snapped at her, but never hit her I don't think, so the viewer really wasn't sure how far he'd go. And now I realize it's also good those aholes got shot for his sake as well.
The subtle ambiguity of a glass half full/ half empty world view. Read all the comments of people arguing over whether or not he is right. Its perfect. Neither Portia nor Jack are really inherently wrong. We are always on the brink of apocalypse, at no time in human history have people chosen to end their lives so frequently, so many people live without hope and connection and YET its also maybe the most civilized time in human history with the best medicine and most widespread freedom. Its a powerful argument and both of them are bringing super loaded experiences with them into the discussion. I think especially potent is the subtext that Jack is hiding his true feelings with his statements which leads to more ambiguity. Does he really believe whats hes saying or is it a defense mechanism hes manufactured to bravely face a cruel and unknowable universe.
@@pensfan870 Who knows? Nowadays, I can get chat GPT to write me a witty but thoughtful youtube comment, that might sound relevant: "Portia and Jack's conversation is a perfect reminder that life isn't just about achieving goals, it's also about finding purpose and meaning in the journey. As they contemplate their paths and what truly matters, it's clear that success without fulfillment is just an empty victory. So let's all strive to pursue not just our goals, but also the things that make us feel alive and connected to the world around us. And if all else fails, we can always book a stay at The White Lotus and ponder the meaning of life by the pool!"
He's lowkey my favourite character, so conflicted, so trapped and longing for happiness and freedom still giving hope and good perspective to others, having nothing, not even one dollar, no choice
@@lrnolivia Lol. Sorry. 😂 I used to watch Skins what feels like a lifetime ago. In Australia when you hear James Cook you automatically think of Captain Cook and I thought, wow this is a profound yet obscure comparison. Like he's got coloniser vibes or something. Now I totally get it. 👍
Having thoughts about different emotions and goals is a luxury. More than 700 million people worldwide live in abject poverty and cannot afford holidays in Italy. All these people in war and terror zones as well as in developing countries do not have the privilege of philosophizing about the meaning of life, because they have to fight for their existence every day. While many people in the upper middle class in the West can lead a carefree and self-determined life, hundreds of millions of people in other parts of the world are starving.
So fine, the logical takeaway, then, is that it’s the struggle and stakes that make life worth living and provide a contrast for the pleasant moments. Thus, luxury is the enemy. And this fits the theme of the two couples and Jack and Portia quite well. The hedonist couple and Jack feel alive, sure, but they’re also completely oblivious and irresponsible. They hurt others and don’t reflect on it for a second. They’re savages. But because of their savagery, they have joy in their lives. A joy that’s missing from the actually civilized people who are bored with theirs. It’s the trade-off in modern culture.
So I know other people have theories. For me he was supposed to distract her even kill her. He mentions things he did not want to do leaving us to believe it may be gay sex, but I think he meant murdering her. I think he never wanted to do that, this was way more than he was bargaining for and he wanted to save her. He took her straight to the airport ensuring she wouldn't run into his uncle. My take on it.
Agree. Quentin was supposed to kill Tanya and Jack was supposed to kill Portia, get rid of any “witnesses”. By not killing her he is taking a risk she can rat them all out (at her own risk), that’s why he tells her he knows she’s smart just don’t be stupid (ie keep your mouth shut and don’t ever come back).
Jack actually makes some profound comments. He just doesn't dress it up. The world is currently going through it's longest peace time period. Things make change, but for now there is no major global conflict.
@@mattblob Well I beg to differ. I'm not from either of those countries just to clarify that I'm not biased. It's a pretty major conflict in terms of the scale of destruction and death in a short span of time.
A lot of the characters are annoying, but she's insufferable. Sh es s in Italy, chilling, on someone else's dime, eating a gelato sundae and still complaining.
Well, to be fair she's also becoming aware she's being kidnapped. I love how this show rides a line where both sides of the character's struggles can be compelling narratives to different viewers.
Jack's enthusiasm seems really, really forced to me. I think if we all had to think deeply about it, there's nothing about this era we're living in that would make us any more "happy" or "satisfied" than any other era. Sure, before cell phones and electricity there was a lot more tribulations that everyone had to go thru, but that would have also had its advantages, because within suffering is meaning, and I don't know about you but finding meaning is a pretty core part of my existence. And from Jack's perspective, I don't know if what he's saying is genuine at all- it seems like verbal peacocking to try and cheer Portia up, which while kind, is a really unnecessary gesture. Portia is right. The world is fucked up, but Jack does have a point- we are living in a miraculous time despite all the impending crises and deep debt to the environment that we have, we can travel anywhere we want, do, study, be anyone we want. I just don't think he truly believes it's great, because despite being out of his "hole", he's still an addict who is deeply miserable in his situation. The fact that he can point out that there's a silver lining is cool, but it's not convincing.
Also, the body language is really telling- while Jack is Explaining to Portia why she should be happy, he's standing over her, looking down. Then he decides for them that they should just live for the moment and 'get pissed', while dragging her along while she still needs to pick up her stuff.
I think you're misunderstanding Jack's point. It's not even about the past being "worse" than it is now, even if I agree with that as well to some degree, it's about the fact that it's stupid to go around thinking that the world nowadays is "crazier" or "worse" than it was in the past. Yeah, his perspective is obviously forced, and it's an actual plot point since he's clearly not from a good background, but if you were to forget that Jack is Jack, then the point still stands Then again, I bet you're biased as hell, just like me. You seem like soneone who vaguely thinks the world is "shit" at the moment, while I'm the opposite, and I think that's the power of the show; the way everyone can interpret it differently
@@truestorytyp I'm all for positivity and pessimism helps no one. That being said, there's no reason to delude ourselves about where we currently are in human history. We're at the edge of a large precipice and if we fail, we fall in.
@@18skeltor What are you referring to? The climate crisis? Nuclear weapons? Those are the most obvious, famous ones I can think of that could actually affect the global population I agree that it's dumb to ignore the societal issues of today in favor of "living every day as it comes". But in a sense, I truly feel that most people are limited in terms of what their resources allow them to actually do about these issues. Ultimately, the job of a politician, at least in my country, is to make decisions for the people (as in, they represent them), so that the general population don't have to make them. I'm sometimes annoyed by people like Portia who clearly have some form of privilege, and yet do nothing but complain, despite doing barely anything to actually better their situation. And thus, if anything, I feel like Portia's "we live in a crazy world" is more forced than Jack's quote
I agree, I don’t even know if Portia mentions this period being the worst in history - she just says where we are now is fucked. Other periods in history have been fucked also. While I think some of his points about seizing the day are valid, at the end of the scene saying they should just get drunk seems like - because of how bad his life was (and is) - he’s incapable of believing he can have longterm goals or admitting how hard his life is So, even though Portia’s kind of annoying, I don’t think his approach would answer her existential questions either and eventually she’d have to face it
Did the writers actually include so much profanity, or were the actors improvising because they thought it would make them look cool? Swearing in every sentence is a great way to make it sound like you never passed third grade 😂
using profane language has absolutely nothing to do with your level of intelligence. They are just words that we choose to use or not use. There are some brilliant fucking people who fucking talk that way ;-) .
I love that someone finally made Portia realise that her dissatisfaction is sorta in her head, or rather that given the beautiful places they have been to in this movie. Jack’s past was so difficult that he truly appreciates and absorbs the experiences he goes through, while Portia lives and thrives off of expectations not being met
No, Jack is a broken man who is here justifying *to himself* the murder he's been asked to be complicit in and the one he's supposed to commit but gives up on in the last moment. Jack isn't right, he's rationalizing. What helps Portia in the end is realizing the edge she barely didn't step over.
@@nsimmonds Jack was supposed to murder Portia, right? Ugh so creepy.
Also after this exchange and then later when he was drunk, you could tell that she was realizing she was having to act as his mom.
@@kbanghart i don’t think he was supposed to murder her, just distract her and keep her from tanya. Thats why greg was so upset that tanya brought her on the trip because she wasnt accounted for in his plan.
@@MartialArtsCat101 very possible. I love how it was kinda left to the viewer. Cuz he snapped at her, but never hit her I don't think, so the viewer really wasn't sure how far he'd go. And now I realize it's also good those aholes got shot for his sake as well.
She’s never gonna know what fulfills her, so she’s never gonna be happy. Be a housewife for a rich guy I guess.
The power of this scene is in its subtext but also its ambiguity, it’s power to polarize its audience.
what is its ambiguity?
The subtle ambiguity of a glass half full/ half empty world view. Read all the comments of people arguing over whether or not he is right. Its perfect. Neither Portia nor Jack are really inherently wrong. We are always on the brink of apocalypse, at no time in human history have people chosen to end their lives so frequently, so many people live without hope and connection and YET its also maybe the most civilized time in human history with the best medicine and most widespread freedom. Its a powerful argument and both of them are bringing super loaded experiences with them into the discussion. I think especially potent is the subtext that Jack is hiding his true feelings with his statements which leads to more ambiguity. Does he really believe whats hes saying or is it a defense mechanism hes manufactured to bravely face a cruel and unknowable universe.
@@TheIgdrasil1 because you can read into it a couple different things
This comment sounds AI-generated lol
@@pensfan870 Who knows? Nowadays, I can get chat GPT to write me a witty but thoughtful youtube comment, that might sound relevant:
"Portia and Jack's conversation is a perfect reminder that life isn't just about achieving goals, it's also about finding purpose and meaning in the journey. As they contemplate their paths and what truly matters, it's clear that success without fulfillment is just an empty victory. So let's all strive to pursue not just our goals, but also the things that make us feel alive and connected to the world around us. And if all else fails, we can always book a stay at The White Lotus and ponder the meaning of life by the pool!"
He's lowkey my favourite character, so conflicted, so trapped and longing for happiness and freedom still giving hope and good perspective to others, having nothing, not even one dollar, no choice
Great piece of acting by Leo Woodall and Haley Lu Richardson. Beautifly shot also. Kudos to the cinematographer.
the spirit of James Cook is within Jack
Captain James Cook?
@@jena.alexia no James Cook of Skins UK 😄
@@lrnolivia Lol. Sorry. 😂 I used to watch Skins what feels like a lifetime ago. In Australia when you hear James Cook you automatically think of Captain Cook and I thought, wow this is a profound yet obscure comparison. Like he's got coloniser vibes or something. Now I totally get it. 👍
That’s so so accurate
extremely accurate actually
I am happy to have watched this clip. Might start watching White Lotus
Did you watch it yet????
@Plen122 yes! I love the show :)
But they was so cute together 😭😭
So true……..
Having thoughts about different emotions and goals is a luxury. More than 700 million people worldwide live in abject poverty and cannot afford holidays in Italy.
All these people in war and terror zones as well as in developing countries do not have the privilege of philosophizing about the meaning of life, because they have to fight for their existence every day. While many people in the upper middle class in the West can lead a carefree and self-determined life, hundreds of millions of people in other parts of the world are starving.
So fine, the logical takeaway, then, is that it’s the struggle and stakes that make life worth living and provide a contrast for the pleasant moments. Thus, luxury is the enemy.
And this fits the theme of the two couples and Jack and Portia quite well. The hedonist couple and Jack feel alive, sure, but they’re also completely oblivious and irresponsible. They hurt others and don’t reflect on it for a second. They’re savages. But because of their savagery, they have joy in their lives. A joy that’s missing from the actually civilized people who are bored with theirs. It’s the trade-off in modern culture.
Exactly
WHATABOUTISM! LOL I love this scene.
So I know other people have theories. For me he was supposed to distract her even kill her. He mentions things he did not want to do leaving us to believe it may be gay sex, but I think he meant murdering her. I think he never wanted to do that, this was way more than he was bargaining for and he wanted to save her. He took her straight to the airport ensuring she wouldn't run into his uncle. My take on it.
Agree
Agree. Quentin was supposed to kill Tanya and Jack was supposed to kill Portia, get rid of any “witnesses”. By not killing her he is taking a risk she can rat them all out (at her own risk), that’s why he tells her he knows she’s smart just don’t be stupid (ie keep your mouth shut and don’t ever come back).
music name
Come on you irons!
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Someone needs to make this into a instagram reel clip
What’s holding you back buddy
expresso today
They’re two sides of the same coin
No, they're not
Jack actually makes some profound comments. He just doesn't dress it up. The world is currently going through it's longest peace time period. Things make change, but for now there is no major global conflict.
🇮🇱 and Palestine
@@rebelraccoon9018while i think what is going is heartbreaking, and should stop, its not a major conflict.
@@mattblob Well I beg to differ. I'm not from either of those countries just to clarify that I'm not biased. It's a pretty major conflict in terms of the scale of destruction and death in a short span of time.
Ost name anyone ??????
Sea Turtle Song
@@Adikem link please
He says I'm fucking lucky or were fucking lucky?
given the context, he says "we're fucking lucky"
I can’t understand a word of what he’s saying
why not?
A lot of the characters are annoying, but she's insufferable. Sh es s in Italy, chilling, on someone else's dime, eating a gelato sundae and still complaining.
Well, to be fair she's also becoming aware she's being kidnapped. I love how this show rides a line where both sides of the character's struggles can be compelling narratives to different viewers.
Also, she was there alone trying to hide from her crazy boss
Yes, it's much better for characters to be unrealistic. If a character has problems or isn't perfect, I won't watch.
@@kweensubs4302and that she's there to work instead of having proper time for sightseeing
errrr and its only pretend
Jack's enthusiasm seems really, really forced to me. I think if we all had to think deeply about it, there's nothing about this era we're living in that would make us any more "happy" or "satisfied" than any other era. Sure, before cell phones and electricity there was a lot more tribulations that everyone had to go thru, but that would have also had its advantages, because within suffering is meaning, and I don't know about you but finding meaning is a pretty core part of my existence.
And from Jack's perspective, I don't know if what he's saying is genuine at all- it seems like verbal peacocking to try and cheer Portia up, which while kind, is a really unnecessary gesture. Portia is right. The world is fucked up, but Jack does have a point- we are living in a miraculous time despite all the impending crises and deep debt to the environment that we have, we can travel anywhere we want, do, study, be anyone we want. I just don't think he truly believes it's great, because despite being out of his "hole", he's still an addict who is deeply miserable in his situation. The fact that he can point out that there's a silver lining is cool, but it's not convincing.
Also, the body language is really telling- while Jack is Explaining to Portia why she should be happy, he's standing over her, looking down. Then he decides for them that they should just live for the moment and 'get pissed', while dragging her along while she still needs to pick up her stuff.
I think you're misunderstanding Jack's point. It's not even about the past being "worse" than it is now, even if I agree with that as well to some degree, it's about the fact that it's stupid to go around thinking that the world nowadays is "crazier" or "worse" than it was in the past. Yeah, his perspective is obviously forced, and it's an actual plot point since he's clearly not from a good background, but if you were to forget that Jack is Jack, then the point still stands
Then again, I bet you're biased as hell, just like me. You seem like soneone who vaguely thinks the world is "shit" at the moment, while I'm the opposite, and I think that's the power of the show; the way everyone can interpret it differently
@@truestorytyp I'm all for positivity and pessimism helps no one. That being said, there's no reason to delude ourselves about where we currently are in human history. We're at the edge of a large precipice and if we fail, we fall in.
@@18skeltor What are you referring to? The climate crisis? Nuclear weapons? Those are the most obvious, famous ones I can think of that could actually affect the global population
I agree that it's dumb to ignore the societal issues of today in favor of "living every day as it comes". But in a sense, I truly feel that most people are limited in terms of what their resources allow them to actually do about these issues. Ultimately, the job of a politician, at least in my country, is to make decisions for the people (as in, they represent them), so that the general population don't have to make them. I'm sometimes annoyed by people like Portia who clearly have some form of privilege, and yet do nothing but complain, despite doing barely anything to actually better their situation. And thus, if anything, I feel like Portia's "we live in a crazy world" is more forced than Jack's quote
I agree, I don’t even know if Portia mentions this period being the worst in history - she just says where we are now is fucked. Other periods in history have been fucked also. While I think some of his points about seizing the day are valid, at the end of the scene saying they should just get drunk seems like - because of how bad his life was (and is) - he’s incapable of believing he can have longterm goals or admitting how hard his life is
So, even though Portia’s kind of annoying, I don’t think his approach would answer her existential questions either and eventually she’d have to face it
First season was better but this was still grade A
Did the writers actually include so much profanity, or were the actors improvising because they thought it would make them look cool? Swearing in every sentence is a great way to make it sound like you never passed third grade 😂
He's a drug-addict sugar-baby... he probably barely passed 3rd grade
using profane language has absolutely nothing to do with your level of intelligence. They are just words that we choose to use or not use. There are some brilliant fucking people who fucking talk that way ;-) .
third grader's don't curse. I would be worried if a third grader cursed ngl. More like did not passed high school.
I know people with university degrees who speak like that :D
He’s just British
She belongs to the streets 🙏