Love the story of Llewellyn ap Grufydd, especially his association with Simon de Montfort. My daughter lives in Evesham so i attend the battle re-enaction/festival most years and adore sitting quietly/reflectively beside the father of Parliament's grave and monument in the old abbey grounds. I live in Montgomery (right under the castle), (mid)Wales - originally from South Wales, so surrounded by the welsh and Marcher Lords history all my life. Thank you
Well done with the welsh pronunciations great piece i allways felt sorry for Gwenillian she never saw Wales . The same happened to Davydds daughters as well 😢
Hey Dr Kat. I was the one in the Premiere chat who asked about 'The Marches.' Sorry I was a bit late in asking, but it took me several minutes to phrase the comment in the way I wanted. Thank you for your repy.
Several years ago I read a book about the history of Wales. There seemed to be so many Llewelyns I got hopelessly confused. I did enjoy the book, though. Thanks another great video.
Diolch yn fawr. Thank you for this. People also refer to Owain Glyndŵr as the last prince of Wales also. Would love for you to look at Owain Glyndŵr's life and rebellion.
Cytuno''n llwyr 🦁Owain Glyndwr would be good and ties in with the origin of the Tudor family because they were Glyndwr's cousins and joined in the rebellion.
I think the British royal family continuing to appropriate the title “Prince of Wales” is anachronistic and disrespectful to my Welsh people! I am especially disappointed in William for accepting it. Thank you Dr. Kat for helping us learn about Prince Llewelyn. Kudos for trying so hard to pronounce the admittedly difficult “Ll”. 👑
Agreed. I found out that I have Welsh ancestry, and ever since I have been learning all I can about Welsh history. It seems weird for an English prince to call himself "Prince of Wales." Maybe it's the American in me too
Dr Kat, have you ever heard of Celia Fienne? She wrote A travel guide in1697/98. I believe it was titled “Travel through York Shire” Legend has it she may have been the muse for the maidan of the Banbury Cross nursery rhyme. Just a thought for a future topic. As always thank you for your hard work and dedication to making history interesting and fun!
Thank you, this was very informative in an area I don't know a lot about. Having heard these facts, and IF The Crown TV series is to be believed. I am very shocked that when Prince Charles first arrived in Wales to study, that he did not already know this history about Llywelyn ap Gruffodd.
Edward I was the ultimate bully. Ugh. His fortresses/castles in Wales are expensive reminders to this day of his heavy-handed 'subjugation of Wales'. 😢
Those castles are across the island, not just the reservation in the west. We were brought under the heel. And those of us born in the industrial regions to those who were originally taken from their homes to satisfy the hunger of the industrialists, are briton, saxon and gael. All in one package. Most of us carry the scars of our history. And as is usual, it's the elites that open the door of misery for the people. It was true with the Romans, saxons and normans.
I have been to Aberedw where LLewellyn the last died. I was born and brought up in the Welsh Marches. I can imagine a conversation between Eleanor, Edward's queen and Gwenllian about her future as the last of her line. Did Gwenllian take the veil by choice or was she manipulated into it? If she had married Edward II what would have happened then?
I’m not sure how easily any “king” or “prince” ever really rests easy when there’s another monarch above them. We can see this pretty clearly in all the drama between the Norman monarchs and the French kings. Though speaking on the topic, I would be really interested in a video all about the act of paying homage in the medieval period. I think it’s a fascinating physical demonstration of intangible power dynamics. 🏴🏴🏴
Thank you, Dr. Kat. I eagerly anticipate your reports to us each week and am never disappointed on the subject or the information shared. I tell all I know to look for you but when I try to have a discussion with those same friends, no one has subscribed. I guess I’m a History nerd alone! You look well & I’m praying for an easy delivery . 🙏👶
Has Dr Kat ever done a video on Catherine de Medici? Recently I went home for a weekend and my parents were really into the show ‘The Serpent Queen’ based on her. It seemed pretty typical for the loosely-based-on-history period dramas, but it did make me look up Catherine de Medici. I realised she was a historical figure from that period that had sort of flown under my radar a bit. I know more of people and events around her, like Mary Queen of Scots and the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre; but not about Catherine herself. She seems a very divisive figure so I thought it would be interesting to hear about what primary sources say and how much we can trust or read into the main sources we have on her. I really liked Dr Kat’s analyses on other historical figures (e.g. Joanna ‘the mad’) in the past, so was wondering if she had previously done one on Catherine de Medici herself (as above, I remember videos of people/events around her, but not one devoted to her)? Sorry for a question unrelated to the video topic.
I want to reiterate how much I love this channel. 9 times out of 10 I realize that I'm not intelligent enough to follow your narrative on first listen and have to click back alot to make sure I have my Henrys and Georges and elinores and Marys and Jameses all within the same family, God help me, straight, and I lose the plot alot. But I'm compelled to listen again and again to every video cuz I want to know all of it! And it's you that makes me stay with it. Because you're that good at making us all smarter. 👑🏰
I have listened to a lot of your videos . They are always interesting well presented and just the right balance of detail versus not being too long . You have such a good speaking voice , excellent diction and your melodic voice is never monotonal which is very important because monotonal voices literally send me to sleep ; even when otherwise they are interesting . It's a shame History Channels don't get the amount of subscriptions cat videos get . the Wycliffe video was particularly good . Amazing he is not well known when Luther is largely considered to be the founder of the Reformation . You always concentrate on the known facts and never force your own opinion .
Thank you so much; once again the time period and incidents that have always been a bit fuzzy to me and you have sorted them out perfectly. Any chance you could link us to a site with "Welsh For Idiots", or such. I remember my father, in his advanced years, telling me where in Wales the family was from and thinking "Poor Dad; this last stroke really took a toll on his speech. And then I realized he had it down perfectly; it was my fuzzy American ears that could not quite catch it.
2:09 🏴 👑 ⚔️ 🏴 Pausing the video to say just how much I like your intro music. I don’t know what it is about this particular piece of music, but it is somehow perfect for your channel. It seems to (somehow) focus my mind on what I’m about to learn. Ok, enough about this, I’m waffling. I just wanted to let you know ha ha (If I’m being honest, I actually NEEDED to let you know because I’ve been thinking about typing up a comment like this for weeks 😂) Thanks for sharing your brilliant channel, I really appreciate and enjoy your work. 🙂🐿🌈❤️ [sydney australia]
3:46 1241 Treaty 29th august 5:22 30th april 1247 split inheritance 6:21 1255 Bryn derwin and llewlyn won 6:46 owain not freed more than 20 years 7:15 sore off Henry iii’s incursion 7:32 Prince of Wales; 1262 Prince of wales and lord of snowden 8:30 Second Baron’s War 9:17 Capture and imprisonment of King and his allies 10:05 de Montfort killed in battle of Evesham 10:32 Treaty of Montgomery 1267 13:34 Treaty of Aberconwy 15:30 Llewellyn was killed&Dafyth captured and executed as a traitor 16:46 Prince of Wales
Thanks for this. I just read a series by Sharon Kay Penman, where I learned a lot of what you mentioned. It's the Welsh princes trilogy and it was outstanding.
I love watching your videos and I always thumbs up. For some reason, I haven't had the option to do so. And I don't understand why. Has anyone else had this issue?
Diolch for this discussion, Dr Kat! Interestingly, the title claimed by Llewellyn was actually 'Princeps', which is comparable to 'emperor'. The English monarchs didn't like this, as they understood it as him trying to assert higher authority than what they held.
🐉👑 fascinating, as always. I’d be curious to know if his surviving daughter’s life in the cloth was voluntary, or essential to survival. True, as a woman her claim would have been difficult to enforce, as Empress Matilda learned in the prior century. And her lineage less secure than Matilda’s perhaps. Still - if she had tried, perhaps there would be no princes of wales?
I think I would have been a rebel if I had been born in those times. My sympathy is always for those harassed by England thus Lywellyn and of course William Wallace are heroes of mine. I think that makes me a traitor !!!
I'm ashamed to say I spent the entire video (which I only listened to, as I was doing other things) thinking she must've been talking about someone else, and would be getting to the main character after discussing his parentage. >< "Who is Clewellyn?" I kept thinking in confusion. And then finally I looked at the screen, about the time she mentioned his daughter going to England. 🤦♀️
Put the tip of your tongue to the back of you top teeth. Blow out air out around your tongue. It should make a sibiliant-like sound. That's the start of the "Ll" Most of us don't get too offended if people pronounce it C-Llewelyn, as Dr Kat does. Or Th-Lewellyn. 🏴
@@Ater_Draco Agreed. It does sound a little odd to us, but we appreciate that in pronouncing it "clywelyn" or "thlywelyn", they're at least making the effort and are aware that the "LL" isn't just pronounce like an "L".
This story serves as a great example of how a king having too many sons survive to adulthood can be as bad for a dynasty as having too few. They rarely seem to get along. If Llewellyn hadn't been so intent on expanding his territory into the Marches, and just minded his own business in Wales, he might have lasted long enough to have some living descendants. Though not by poor Eleanor, who sounds like she was too young for safe childbearing. 🤴🏴
Knowing how the Kings of England were he should have held up his end of the Agreement. Thus not giving reasons for any suspicion as to why. The good favor with Edward would be much more valuable than the monies paid out. Ok maybe on a technicality Edward the second could be Prince of Wales. But that was part of the Treaty of Montgomery. Which Llewellyn had broken himself. 👑🏰🐲(sorry no red ones).
Your pronunciation of these Welsh names is very impressive. Always well-researched and SO interesting. Thank you.
Love the story of Llewellyn ap Grufydd, especially his association with Simon de Montfort. My daughter lives in Evesham so i attend the battle re-enaction/festival most years and adore sitting quietly/reflectively beside the father of Parliament's grave and monument in the old abbey grounds. I live in Montgomery (right under the castle), (mid)Wales - originally from South Wales, so surrounded by the welsh and Marcher Lords history all my life. Thank you
DeMontfort was the non-ally of Isabella of France, Edward II wife?
Diolch am sôn am ychydig o hanes Cymru- thanks for talking about some Welsh history.
Diolch cariad x
Cytuno'n llwyr
Well done with the welsh pronunciations great piece i allways felt sorry for Gwenillian she never saw Wales . The same happened to Davydds daughters as well 😢
Hey Dr Kat. I was the one in the Premiere chat who asked about 'The Marches.' Sorry I was a bit late in asking, but it took me several minutes to phrase the comment in the way I wanted. Thank you for your repy.
Several years ago I read a book about the history of Wales. There seemed to be so many Llewelyns I got hopelessly confused. I did enjoy the book, though. Thanks another great video.
Thank you Dr Kat. 👑 🏴 🐉 hope you’re keeping well 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Diolch yn fawr. Thank you for this. People also refer to Owain Glyndŵr as the last prince of Wales also. Would love for you to look at Owain Glyndŵr's life and rebellion.
YES!!
Cytuno''n llwyr 🦁Owain Glyndwr would be good and ties in with the origin of the Tudor family because they were Glyndwr's cousins and joined in the rebellion.
@@myfanwyalexander1218 Exactly! That's been my point when I hassle youtubers to cover Owain- you can link it to THE most popular topic ever.
Wonderful as always, Dr. Kat, and you are positively radiant!
Thank you! I love hearing more about Welsh history!
I would dearly love to hear more of Edward I of England whom I think was also called Long Shanks 😊
Yes. Great King or tyrant? A bit of both I think!
Trevor Griffith here. From Mexia Texas. Love you all my fellow connected family 😂
Hello cousin! 😂
I think the British royal family continuing to appropriate the title “Prince of Wales” is anachronistic and disrespectful to my Welsh people! I am especially disappointed in William for accepting it. Thank you Dr. Kat for helping us learn about Prince Llewelyn. Kudos for trying so hard to pronounce the admittedly difficult “Ll”. 👑
Then do something about it.
@@Roz-y2d Such as...?
Agreed. I found out that I have Welsh ancestry, and ever since I have been learning all I can about Welsh history. It seems weird for an English prince to call himself "Prince of Wales." Maybe it's the American in me too
I understand your feelings and recommend you stay on the other side of Offa’s Dyke
@@Roz-y2d I wish I could, but as a Welsh -American, I can only bemoan my ancestral realm’s fate.
Dr Kat, have you ever heard of Celia Fienne? She wrote A travel guide in1697/98. I believe it was titled “Travel through York Shire” Legend has it she may have been the muse for the maidan of the Banbury Cross nursery rhyme. Just a thought for a future topic. As always thank you for your hard work and dedication to making history interesting and fun!
Thank you, this was very informative in an area I don't know a lot about. Having heard these facts, and IF The Crown TV series is to be believed. I am very shocked that when Prince Charles first arrived in Wales to study, that he did not already know this history about Llywelyn ap Gruffodd.
Thank you, Dr. Kat. You are a wonderful historian. I love your presentations. 👑🏰
Great video! Love your pieces on Scottish and Welsh history, which fill great gaps in my historical understanding.🐉
Edward I was the ultimate bully. Ugh. His fortresses/castles in Wales are expensive reminders to this day of his heavy-handed 'subjugation of Wales'. 😢
Those castles are across the island, not just the reservation in the west. We were brought under the heel. And those of us born in the industrial regions to those who were originally taken from their homes to satisfy the hunger of the industrialists, are briton, saxon and gael. All in one package. Most of us carry the scars of our history. And as is usual, it's the elites that open the door of misery for the people. It was true with the Romans, saxons and normans.
I’m going to relisten to this because there’s so much I didn’t know. Thank you as always
The auto generated subtitles didn't half struggle with the Welsh names. But they didn't mistake anything for a rude word this time.
I love your videos, Dr. Kat. I can't wait for your next video
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I have been to Aberedw where LLewellyn the last died. I was born and brought up in the Welsh Marches. I can imagine a conversation between Eleanor, Edward's queen and Gwenllian about her future as the last of her line. Did Gwenllian take the veil by choice or was she manipulated into it? If she had married Edward II what would have happened then?
Women did not have much choice those days.
Very interesting video. Thank you. 🏴
always the highlight of my week watching your videos, has been for years ❤
I’m not sure how easily any “king” or “prince” ever really rests easy when there’s another monarch above them. We can see this pretty clearly in all the drama between the Norman monarchs and the French kings. Though speaking on the topic, I would be really interested in a video all about the act of paying homage in the medieval period. I think it’s a fascinating physical demonstration of intangible power dynamics. 🏴🏴🏴
Love your content! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤
Great content- as always!! Thank you!!
Awesome can't wait! He's in my family tree.
Thank you, Dr. Kat. I eagerly anticipate your reports to us each week and am never disappointed on the subject or the information shared. I tell all I know to look for you but when I try to have a discussion with those same friends, no one has subscribed. I guess I’m a History nerd alone! You look well & I’m praying for an easy delivery . 🙏👶
Thanks for this, you hear about the last Prince quite a bit but this makes things a little more concrete!
Thanks Dr Kat. 🏴
My maiden name is Llewellyn, my grandmother told me some of this.
Thank You Dr. Kat
Interesting as always! Love your channel!👑
Looking good, Dr. Kat.
Another great episode
❤ always interesting. A big part of history we don't hear much about. Thank you for sharing.🎉
Was late entering but as always, love the history! Hope I don't offend but I vote for Wales! Sorry they were not able to prevail!
🤴🦁I love your videos! ❤️
Oh, yes! Looking forward to this. Thanks! 🎉
Fascinating as always! 🫅
Has Dr Kat ever done a video on Catherine de Medici? Recently I went home for a weekend and my parents were really into the show ‘The Serpent Queen’ based on her. It seemed pretty typical for the loosely-based-on-history period dramas, but it did make me look up Catherine de Medici. I realised she was a historical figure from that period that had sort of flown under my radar a bit. I know more of people and events around her, like Mary Queen of Scots and the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre; but not about Catherine herself. She seems a very divisive figure so I thought it would be interesting to hear about what primary sources say and how much we can trust or read into the main sources we have on her. I really liked Dr Kat’s analyses on other historical figures (e.g. Joanna ‘the mad’) in the past, so was wondering if she had previously done one on Catherine de Medici herself (as above, I remember videos of people/events around her, but not one devoted to her)?
Sorry for a question unrelated to the video topic.
My maiden name is Llewellyn and my grandmother told me some of this
I want to reiterate how much I love this channel. 9 times out of 10 I realize that I'm not intelligent enough to follow your narrative on first listen and have to click back alot to make sure I have my Henrys and Georges and elinores and Marys and Jameses all within the same family, God help me, straight, and I lose the plot alot. But I'm compelled to listen again and again to every video cuz I want to know all of it! And it's you that makes me stay with it. Because you're that good at making us all smarter. 👑🏰
🏴 Interesting coincidence, Owain came up in a book I was reading this week.
Thanks for the great video! 🏰🏰🗡️🗡️
I have listened to a lot of your videos . They are always interesting well presented and just the right balance of detail versus not being too long . You have such a good speaking voice , excellent diction and your melodic voice is never monotonal which is very important because monotonal voices literally send me to sleep ; even when otherwise they are interesting . It's a shame History Channels don't get the amount of subscriptions cat videos get . the Wycliffe video was particularly good . Amazing he is not well known when Luther is largely considered to be the founder of the Reformation . You always concentrate on the known facts and never force your own opinion .
Fantastic 🏴
Well done, I was unfamiliar with this Welshman. 🏰🗡️
I've always wanted to learn Welsh (more Cadfael influence). I'm fascinated by the structure of the language and the spirit of the Welsh people. 🐉
I loved this! Is it wrong every time you said a welsh name I thought of Nathan Amin lol?!!Have a great weekend
I was hoping for this one! Fascinating
Thank you so much; once again the time period and incidents that have always been a bit fuzzy to me and you have sorted them out perfectly. Any chance you could link us to a site with "Welsh For Idiots", or such. I remember my father, in his advanced years, telling me where in Wales the family was from and thinking "Poor Dad; this last stroke really took a toll on his speech. And then I realized he had it down perfectly; it was my fuzzy American ears that could not quite catch it.
Once you learn the Welsh alphabet Welsh pronunciation is relatively easy as you just say what you see.
@@ffotograffydd I can see I tried to start at Step Two! Back to searching for Step One...
😊@@patriciagodfrey6345
The National Centre for Learning Welsh has links to websites. I believe Say Something in Welsh has some free material.
Pob Lwc 🏴
@@Ater_Draco I know how I'm spending my Saturday afternoon - Thank you!
I enjoy your videos, thank you for the content ❤
Thanks again! 🐉
2:09 🏴 👑 ⚔️ 🏴
Pausing the video to say just how much I like your intro music.
I don’t know what it is about this particular piece of music, but it is somehow perfect for your channel.
It seems to (somehow) focus my mind on what I’m about to learn.
Ok, enough about this, I’m waffling.
I just wanted to let you know ha ha
(If I’m being honest, I actually NEEDED to let you know because I’ve been thinking about typing up a comment like this for weeks 😂)
Thanks for sharing your brilliant channel, I really appreciate and enjoy your work.
🙂🐿🌈❤️
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3:46 1241 Treaty 29th august
5:22 30th april 1247 split inheritance
6:21 1255 Bryn derwin and llewlyn won
6:46 owain not freed more than 20 years
7:15 sore off Henry iii’s incursion
7:32 Prince of Wales; 1262 Prince of wales and lord of snowden
8:30 Second Baron’s War
9:17 Capture and imprisonment of King and his allies
10:05 de Montfort killed in battle of Evesham
10:32 Treaty of Montgomery 1267
13:34 Treaty of Aberconwy
15:30 Llewellyn was killed&Dafyth captured and executed as a traitor
16:46 Prince of Wales
Thanks for this. I just read a series by Sharon Kay Penman, where I learned a lot of what you mentioned. It's the Welsh princes trilogy and it was outstanding.
Thank you. 🐉
Thank you 👏👏👏👏❤️❤️💐💐
What would you say are the chances that the title of Prince of Wales will stop being used by the heir apparent? 🤴🏴
16:04 I immediately knew Edward II 😅
You’re the best! 😊
I love watching your videos and I always thumbs up. For some reason, I haven't had the option to do so. And I don't understand why. Has anyone else had this issue?
Great video ❤👑
fascinating thanks you.
I went looking for a dragon emoji, best I could was a T. rex.
I was lucky enough to be able to visit Garth Celyn in North Wales. It is supposed to be the seat of the Welsh princes.
This is my uncle’s name and my welsh friend pronounced it as “ thoo wellan. 🤷♀️🤭🇨🇦🐉👩🏼⚖️
🐉Sounds like a game of thrones material 🙂 🐉
Somewhere during the video I just started singing Cluella de Ville, CLUELLA DE VILLE!
Diolch for this discussion, Dr Kat! Interestingly, the title claimed by Llewellyn was actually 'Princeps', which is comparable to 'emperor'. The English monarchs didn't like this, as they understood it as him trying to assert higher authority than what they held.
Thank you for this info ☺️
I enjoyed Sarah Woodbury’s Daughter Of Time books. Time travel back to save prince of Wales.
Thank you for this. 🗡⚔️
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Diolch, Dr Kat 🏴🩷
🐉👑 fascinating, as always. I’d be curious to know if his surviving daughter’s life in the cloth was voluntary, or essential to survival. True, as a woman her claim would have been difficult to enforce, as Empress Matilda learned in the prior century. And her lineage less secure than Matilda’s perhaps. Still - if she had tried, perhaps there would be no princes of wales?
Great
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I think I would have been a rebel if I had been born in those times. My sympathy is always for those harassed by England thus Lywellyn and of course William Wallace are heroes of mine. I think that makes me a traitor !!!
All four countries that later made up the UK ‘harassed’ each other during the medieval period.
@@ffotograffydd All the countries of Europe "harassed" each other, as did the countries of Asia. It's what they all did.
@@Thepourdeuxchanson Of course they did.
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I came here especially to try to figure out how to pronounce Llewellyn! 😅 But I still can't say it myself.
I'm ashamed to say I spent the entire video (which I only listened to, as I was doing other things) thinking she must've been talking about someone else, and would be getting to the main character after discussing his parentage. >< "Who is Clewellyn?" I kept thinking in confusion.
And then finally I looked at the screen, about the time she mentioned his daughter going to England. 🤦♀️
Put the tip of your tongue to the back of you top teeth.
Blow out air out around your tongue. It should make a sibiliant-like sound.
That's the start of the "Ll"
Most of us don't get too offended if people pronounce it C-Llewelyn, as Dr Kat does. Or Th-Lewellyn. 🏴
@@Ater_Draco Agreed. It does sound a little odd to us, but we appreciate that in pronouncing it "clywelyn" or "thlywelyn", they're at least making the effort and are aware that the "LL" isn't just pronounce like an "L".
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🐳🐳 Interesting and informative video - as always.👑⛰️
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A rare thing! Our current King was crowned in Caernarfon…no Prince of Wales due to Edward’s abdication..🏴👑
🐉UA-cam apparently doesn't have any red dragons; but hopefully this will do.
Here is the Welsh flag 🏴🏴🏴
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Thank you for such an informative video! 👑👑👑🏰🏰🏰⚔️⚔️⚔️ 🐉 🐉 🐉
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Fell and broke his neck? Fortuitous? Convenient?
This story serves as a great example of how a king having too many sons survive to adulthood can be as bad for a dynasty as having too few. They rarely seem to get along.
If Llewellyn hadn't been so intent on expanding his territory into the Marches, and just minded his own business in Wales, he might have lasted long enough to have some living descendants. Though not by poor Eleanor, who sounds like she was too young for safe childbearing. 🤴🏴
Knowing how the Kings of England were he should have held up his end of the Agreement. Thus not giving reasons for
any suspicion as to why. The good favor with Edward would be much more valuable than the monies paid out. Ok maybe on a
technicality Edward the second could be Prince of Wales. But that was part of the
Treaty of Montgomery. Which Llewellyn had
broken himself. 👑🏰🐲(sorry no red ones).
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