Harley & Sportbike Riders SWAP bikes!
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- A sportbike rider swaps bikes with a Harley rider.
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Thanks to Paul from Skill Master Motorcycle Services (skillmaster.com...) for inviting me to the course. Filmed at Marulan Driver Training Centre.
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Vlog / motovlog in Sydney with a custom cruiser and a honda CBR1000RR.
I love Harleys and sports bikes. They are both very different and both incredibly cool in their own way.
One thing that my instructor told me that stuck was to take every opportunity to try different bikes even those in a category you don't think you'll like. I tried a dual sport without having any experience on dirt bikes or any interest in dual sports and loved it.
It's a good experience to get out of your comfort zone.
Try a thing you haven't done three times.
Once, to get over the fear of doing it.
Twice, to learn how to do it.
And a third time to figure out whether you like it or not.
I was just waiting for that peg scrape!
you can fit a grom into that tank bag doe 😂
Nice vid👍 The real bike might be comfy as a lounge chair, but we all have a lounge at home😋
Your riding ability on the Harley was much improved over the shadow 400.. I love my sport bikes.. and will always have one in the stable - but i also have to have a cruiser and an adventure bike and a few dirt bikes and other road bikes.. I would rather have a few cheap bikes of different types than one nice bike.. Maybe you should consider adding one of those road couches to your collection! Great videos!
I've ridden them all, I currently ride a Harley dresser and my last sport bike was an 03 CBR954RR. They each are great for their intended purpose. People criticizing others because they chose differently shows a lot of insecurity. I mean for a bike to ride thru the hills or to the beach on the weekend, maybe to work, get what you want and stop doubting your choice.
It's funny that people keep comparing their sportsbike to a Harley, it's like comparing the taste between a potato and strawberry and which one is much bitter. Funny comments though, keep it coming haha!
It's not like that at all. Comfort is proven by what wins the endurance events such as the "Iron Butt" which is a distance not a speed competition!
The harley corp has done an expert job at pushing the look of a bike over actual function!
Don't be fooled and throw away everything that makes riding exciting and safe by choosing a harley over anything else!
I too bought into the lie, and since bought a Super Duke and other bikes before that which are 10 times the bike a harley anything is!
Stay safe people!
That is a good analogy. Comparing a motorcycle to a skid steer is exactly describing a harley to other real motorcycles!
Anonymous Katsudon. I'm with you, I've had both and they are totally different, but their again their built to do total different things. For those that don't agree, try riding one the same way you would ride the other. Many miles on the sport bike, you'll think your John Wayne, throw a cruser into a bend, you'll think your fuckin stupid.
I have both a Harley and an S1000rr, and enjoy them both for their different reason. The Harley is great for for chillin' out on but is difficult to turn (long rake). The sports bike is a really easy bike to ride (easier to make progress and turn). But the looks and sound of the Harley are just stunning.
Harley at cruising speed sounds like someone mowing their lawn
Dude, I think training at any riding level is great. If you have been riding for two years or 50 its always great to get back to basics with a skills booster course or a more advanced course. Ton of fun to work on the fundamentals and increase your skill. BTW, when I had my Honda Shadow 1100, it always surprised me when I scraped the pegs. Now, on the Ninja 300, I only get surprised if I scrape a toe. Nice video man.
Ham does peg scrapping on Harley ^^V Love the music and thumbs for the officers helping out ^^
Different concepts for different people with different needs. Its beautiful
"It's like you can't countersteer at low speed" no shit... REALLY?
That's what I though too, like ummm...
he means that at 30mph on a sportbike, you CAN countersteer. 30mph is "still low speed.
however on most big cruisers, you CANNOT countersteer at 30mph.
Alec, I've never met a bike that you don't countersteer at speeds over 30mph... I own two cruisers. Well... one of them is not a cruiser in the traditional sense, but steering geometry wise, it is a cruiser.
In fact, every cruiser I've ever ridden, you counter steer once you past 15-20mph. That said, the more raked out the front end is, the more floppy the bike is at low speeds, but floppy doesn't mean you don't countersteer.
it was an example lol
I didn't go out on my sport bike or my cruiser and measure the speed at which they begin to countersteer lol
Hell yeah. Little Dragon. excellent music choice sir.
Did the same thing when I was 16, tried a friends GSXR 750 and he jumped on my Sportster. I went and got a GSXR 1000 the next week and sold my sportster. Today, I have a Aprilia RSV4, BMW HP 4, Blacked out 2018 Breakout CVO SE, KTM 450 SX and Yammy YZF 250.. Love both now more then ever but at the time, it was all about the thrill and it lasted years until I realized that it was also fun to slow down and cruise. Best of both worlds. Started on MotoX bikes and still rip on those to this day.
Your scraping the low side pedal, just an alarm to say you are closing into max lean. You could still take the road king another 15 degrees before the floor board is folded. Some HD have floor boards that hang way out and thus a high center turn radius. But yes a sport bike is made to track, and a HD FSHRC (Road King Classic) is made to tour, but still fun to ride. Two wheels down my friend👈
I love both bikes. Never rode a cruiser before but riding across country together on a cruiser is a dream of my wife and I.
Looked like a fun time. Thanks for the video.
Any extra training you can get is always worth it. We all pick up bad habits from time to time so it is nice to at least be aware of them...
I am not a bike rider but after seeing all this hate between sport and cruising motor bikes I decided to ask a couple people I know and the guy that has a cruiser said roughly something like: "its like comparing a katana to a big battle axe. The katana(sportbike) is light, swift, and small but the battle axe(cruiser) is big, smooth but powerful... but all people have their (bike) weapon of choice." And the other guy just said: "motorcycles are motorcycles. Ones tall and light and the other is short and heavy".
Jacob Ferguson both men gave you the same answer.
The problem with this battleaxe/katana analogy is that cruisers generally are not powerful.
Joe Blow they're more powerful in the same sense as a truck vs a small sports car... I've seen people pull trailers with a cruiser... and some of them can carry sidecars. I would probably never do that... well a sidecar might be kinda cool... but anyways they have the capability where as I would be kinda doubtful of an attempt by a sportbike. Both bike styles are great though.
Dylan Kelliher speaking of pulling power is really talking about torque, where it's at in the rev range, and the geometry of the pulling vehicle. That has nothing to do with saying sportbikes are, in general, more powerful. The original comment I replied to only spoke of power. You can pull shit with tons of torque and not much power
Joe Blow you're right... torque is a force. I often get force confused with power, but the analogy still kinda makes sense. A battle axe would most likely have more force than a katana. I guess he should change his terms if he wants to be technically correct.
Awesome dude!!!
I started out on an 80's cafe bike, went to a gsxr 600 that I rode constantly, and then to a bobber Harley with apehangers. They all have their pluses and minuses, but I really miss sportbike. The best answer is to have one of each I guess!
Just wait till you get a chance to try out a Goldwing.
Honda Grom riders swap bikes with Goldwing riders lol
skippygirl959 What have you done...
Very noice; can't wait to see the full the full vid ^_^
Yes, that tank bag is pretty damn ridiculous :P was saying to derps during oxley, "how does le hamme even reach the bars with that thing on!?!?"
I think this is a great video. All bikes are cool.
Looked like a fun couple days. :-) Oxley is a horrible road. Home town is Port Macquarie, have done hwy to Newcastle and Sydney a few times. Ride safe mate!
A motorcycle is a tool. Each one has its uses. I rode a Yamaha YZF600R ( Thundercat ) for years and loved it until my aging knees.caused me to sell it and pick up a used Triumph Thunderbird. I love the T-Bird, although I do miss my sportbike from time to time.
I want a cruiser too and have chosen the Suzuki VL 800 Volusia ,,for its looks , weight ,performance and cheap price being second hand ,,you can get a really nice one with say 30k on the clock for about 5k to 5.5k ,,you can get them cheaper but won't be a nice of course
Nice video,is that a 2006 Fireblade? And how long do you have it now?
good movie thank you very much good comparison cheers. ste
Looked like a good day out!
I ride a '13 Yamaha VMAX and an '06 Yamaha Stratoliner S... The Bruiser and The Cruiser!
Harleys are great for cruising. And keeping your licence. Sports bikes are great for getting from A to B quickly with sore wrists and gratitude to the gods for not getting caught.
If you have sore wrists you're not riding the bike correctly.
PsyMongazoid i just think aesthetic wise Harley cant be beat. You can get a sports bike with a more upright position and its about as comfy as a Harley for half the price. I want a V rod but after started on a crotch rocket im thinking ill miss being able to take my favorite corner at 80mph
Lol if you like the same design recycled year after year then the Harley is great. The Goldwing has presence. The F6B has presence. Hell Moto Guzzi and even Indian have presence. Harley has a bunch of posers for the most part who can't ride worth shit. Very few harley riders out there who actually know what they're doing.
i rode sportbikes before i switched to a harley. that comment is not entirely true. you are supposed to support your weight with your legs but that gets tiring after awhile and eventually if you ride long enough some weight will come down on the wrists. its a tiring position to ride in for any kind of long distance.
most harley riders i know came from sportbikes and know how to ride.
Went to South of France with my M1800R and I loved all 650km of twisty mountain passes we rode. In fact, I wouldn't want to do it on a sportsbike, maybe a BMW 1200RT.
Enjoy the Oxley! only an hour from my place so I get to enjoy it often :)
the forks are behind the steering neck so the bike tracks in a straight line by itself that's what you're feeling it's for stability on Highway these bikes are meant for long rides
wow so much scraping!
That looked like fun.
I also noticed that one of the guys had my MV there. How many times did it go wrong? lol
I know this is hard to believe, but never!
I don't believe you :P
This defies everything I've ever known about countersteering
Nice one Ham
Motorcycle training like HART and StayUpright (and these guys here) is absolutely essential.
Those police helping the old lady will probably get in trouble from their superiors now that you've filmed them doing that ;) Nobody remembers that flat tyre incident!
Both fun bikes in there own way.do you still have your cbr bruz
You da man ham!
During my motorcycle course I had a Yamaha star 250 and they kept talking about counter steering on the corner and I kept ignoring them because counter steering wasn't really working all that much during the main corners they had setup. I did notice in when in the straight line when I bumped up the speed. When I got my Yamaha YZF R-3 I noticed right away the counter steer. I also noticed counter steering a lot more when riding a bicycle.
I'm enjoying my 2003 Honda Shadow Sabre 1100. Harley lovers may look down on it but I could care less. It sounds mean,rides great and believe it or not,has attracted plenty of attention from other bikers. LOL
its because the caster on a cruiser is completely different to your sport bike and super motos which are made to turn tight
The cost of a riding course (MSF course in Canada and the US), is money very well spent for newer riders.
Around here it's an extremely good deal. It's subsidized by the state, so you only pay $125 for the class. Of course that subsidy comes from the licensing fees, but still, even the full cost of $250 is a good deal.
It's like being used to driving your car, then one day, trading it in for a payloader
Was this the video that you filmed for him or was it something else that we'll never see? BTW Chobani is going cheap at Coles a $1.10 for yoghurt!
This was just a side video I got to make, the full video was of the students and pretty boring if you weren't there. Snapchat me the Chobani deals, you know the rules!
i thought that song sounded like Little Dragon, love that band
That would be interesting to swap different styles of bike, good on the coppers. RSM8
Great video. The wife has a sportster and have a Buell.
LOL, helping her fill up!
Looked like an awesome 3 days 👍
Interesting to hear Paul's words about comparing your bike with a gixxer - presume he was referring to a 1000? Mine in 3rd at low revs doesn't seem to bog down and sputter - must be gearing/fuel injection changes in the newer models
How many cc was the Harley? Seemed to go alright!
Harley was 1400 maybe? Something silly.
Lol. I'm so used to the seating position on a superbike that a cruiser just feels too weird lol. Maybe a cafe racer.
Sometimes the topographic features where you live can make the difference between what bike you get. It's pretty flat and straight where I live. I have to ride a half hr to take a road beside a local river to get into some fast curves. But I still have three different bikes. Cuz I can. 😉
The bag may look ridiculous, but the position for the weight and mounting and the convenience...who cares?
Awesome
Ride what you like ride safe.
interesting video. i Had a deauville as a courtesy bike when my blade was being serviced. getting back on the blade i felt like a tipped forward letter C.
I say well done for even covering rider training, my view is everyone should do them after getting licensed and every few years to stay sharp.
Looking at some of the bigger motovloggers (I won't name names) their lines on the road are just cringe worthy and are unsafe for the road let alone the track.
MUSIC IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT!!!!!
I noticed Paul had a go-pro on, does he have a channel?
Not an active one but check out his Facebook facebook.com/SkillMasterMotorcycleServices/
Is it me, or is that the same track Mighty Car Mods used to use for some of their older videos?
Nope. I'm pretty sure that's it
If you get a cruiser, don't get a Harley. They're famous for being too soft, too low, too heavy, and not having enough balls. Me and my dad always called them Hardly Ablesons.
Get an Indian Scout, instead. Lighter, better power to weight, aftermarket for the suspension to tune it up for twisties.
There's even a guy here on youtube who's done just that. 105HP, 85 ft-lb of torque {all at the wheel}, 8500RPM, 520 pounds wet. Keeps up with 600's.
Did anyone else notice the track from Mighty Car Mods?
The one thing that sports bikes and cruisers and even dirt bikes share is we are all on two wheels. Stop complaining about the other guy and just fucking ride, and give me a wave when we pass regardless of what type of bike each one of us is on.
No way this is the track that mighty cat mods use haha
to turn it off you need to throw it in a canyon
wait a second, is this the track they use on MCM?
I've done a skill master cause well worth the money.
what is this? like a road safety coarse?
Seen this track before on MCM
Where is this?
HIS NAME IS JOSH 1:53
Not all Harley Davidson motorcycles are like that one...
Hell yeah; it's always good to hear a level headed opinion of a Harley from someone who actually knows what they're talking about in place of some wanker who's never ridden one just talking shit about them. Give a Street Glide a go one day (yes I'm bias because that's what I ride!) they corner much better. You're totally right about having to plan corners more on a Harley though, well on mine at least, to go fast; if I mess up a line it's just the sheer weight of the bike (375kg) that takes much longer for me to correct on the go but when you get it right it's surprising how much fun you can have in the twisties on a Harley.
it weighs literaly 3 times as much as my xr600r :p
***** yep, that's about right. She's a big girl but still a lot of fun
+Carmo Motovlog different bikes for each style of riding eh.
+Thijs van Gils couldn't have said it better myself
can't say i'm a fan of cruisers. I just don't feel nimble enough, even though it actually has much more power than my bike. That riding position really doesn't make me feel one with the bike, which scares me on the road.
Cruisers can be nimble, just not twitchy.
It is a different style of riding.. less lean and more angle, as if you lean just a bit compared to a sports bike you are already scraping, and if you go into some corners and forget that.. well you are off.
wobbly sauce Yeah exactly. I've definitely seen people ride cruisers with amazing skill, but I don't think I can. I'd feel really uncomfortable on the road if I can't react to something instant (swerving out of the way etc). It's definitely a much more relaxed style, compared to the reactive and defensive style of most other bikes.
reicirith That is it, seen some forget there on a cruiser and go off a cliff(bailing off the bike before going to far down).
I had a scary moment on a cruiser while cornering. It kinda takes you by surprise but then if you try to push it by leaning more it goes nowhere lol. Nearly ran off the edge with my mates hollering behind, asking me if i had lost my marbles.
I don't understand why people keep comparing sportbikes to cruisers, two different beast!
Tonya Glover I figure it's interesting is all. like I've never ridden a cruiser so a comparison is kinda fun
I've always understood the comparisons being made, as just to inform riders of the different mechanics and mentality of operating a cruiser vs a sport bike.
The youtuber never said one was better than the other. Just reading the other comments on this video, on people hating cruisers or sports bikes etc. All bikes have thier place. Both riders in the video even complemented the others bike after riding said bike. True bikers know we are all brothers.
I have a Sport Bike, and will always have a sport bike. When I get the funds, I would like to start a line up of different bikes to my garage, my next bike will be a cruiser. Just because I've ridden for years, and am very proficient, I don't believe I could just jump on a cruiser. There is a learning curve as the blogger pointed out (I'm sure it goes both ways). That's why I enjoy these comparisons.
I've always understood the comparisons being made, as just to inform riders of the different mechanics and mentality of operating a cruiser vs a sport bike.
The youtuber never said one was better than the other. Just reading the other comments on this video, on people hating cruisers or sports bikes etc. All bikes have thier place. Both riders in the video even complemented the others bike after riding said bike. True bikers know we are all brothers.
I have a Sport Bike, and will always have a sport bike. When I get the funds, I would like to start a line up of different bikes to my garage, my next bike will be a cruiser. Just because I've ridden for years, and am very proficient, I don't believe I could just jump on a cruiser. There is a learning curve as the blogger pointed out (I'm sure it goes both ways). That's why I enjoy these comparisons.
STOP SCRAPING THE FLOOR BOARDS!
Did you say hi to Garry Wilmington?
V rod or m109r 🤔🤔
Chrome on motorbikes is like gold on women.
Heh, two extremes. Personally I won't ride either one.
Is that the track that you see Might Car Mods on????!!!!
Might(y) car mods the home of Freddie Mercury ! Not dead just moved
down under to hang out with the "boys" while wearing beanie hat but
keep it under yours
never tired harley but any tips on how not to scrape
Just have to go very slow. If it has floorboards, it will crape super easy. I have a z1000 and a 98 softail with normal pegs and it takes a decent lean to scrape the pegs but most floorboards lean backwards to make them more comfortable thus are lower in the rear and scape easily. Just go slow and you'll be ok and if you do scrape, stay calm and slowly back off your turn until you don't scrape. A lot of people hear the scrape then imminently straighten out and go off road.
SoupCanSam yeah and my Dyna super glide takes corners pretty good. the fat boy and road Kings don't corner as well, but sport bikes are in different class when it comes to handling and corners. they're fun but they just don't ride like my Dyna.
Mihir patel Scraping is part of it 👍. If stock the pegs will scrape and that tells your your near the end of the lean. They are designed to scrape so you don't just lowside without warning.
Scraping is part of the fun.
When it comes to cruisers, Harleys are the weirdest fucking things to steer. With other cruisers, like an Indian, Yamaha, or Victory for example, you can subtly lean and shift your body weight for simple steering, and then just move the handlebars slightly for more aggressive steering. The handlebars also tend to feel lighter. With a Harley, for every turn you have to push on one handlebar and pull with the other, like you are steering a horse, and it almost feels like it is resisting you the whole time, again like a horse. Personally, I feel like riding a motorcycle should be a step up from riding a horse, but I guess some people like it that way.
you'll be a cruiser rider before you know it lol
That's what I was thinking 😆
i would love a bike, if they people in my area werent so stupid. ive almost been hit 3 or 4 times in the past month driving a bright shiny truck, i think i would be dead in a week if i was riding a bike.
Yo Ham, is that the Kriega R25?
Sure is.
would you recommend it?
Indubitably.
aight thanks hams 👍
Same.. good bags.
you're driving on the wrong side of the road bro
different country different rules
Steering geometry
Ham loves scraping pegs
You're very right you can't countersteer at low speed with a Harley they are completely different when it comes to the suspension geometry you hit the nail right on the head 👍🏻
Enjoyed your video, Harley's, I'm not a fan, old technology & low performance, have you heard of the Harley death wobble? I dig your Fire-blade.
i always wondered how harleys turn without scraping.. guess you can't xD
I scrape my pegs on my Harley every time I ride. Swapping over to a Yamaha XSR900 next week and that should solve that problem
Josiah Baumgartner I had the same problem on both my Sportster and Dyna. I went to the XSR900 a few months ago and was blown away by the performance difference. I've had both now and I can honestly say that for everyday I prefer the harley hands down but for just plain fun the XSR900 gets the nod.
Ramiro Garcia Interesting... So far I'm enjoying my XSR900 a ton, it rides loads better than my Sportster. However, even though the XSR looks and sounds great, my sportster was just damn sexy. I'll never get over that sound. Really gonna miss it but I don't think I'll to back anytime soon
Id love to ride a harley
sorry im asking this but why do you not show your face? Of course its up to you.
+maximax410 I have a football sized growth on my head.
Now years later how the ride. Ride aVictory