Ancient Roman Music - Musica Romana - Pugnate IX

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  • @TheBardbarians
    @TheBardbarians 7 років тому +3

    3:20 Wait what? Are you telling me that the music played in the taverns and stuff in Hercules and Xena is actually historically accurate?!

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  15 років тому +2

    Hehe, it does put some people off, but this music is al a reconstruction of the various songs played at the gladiatorial games. Mourning for the dead was included, and yes, the women did wail, even for the condemned convicts.
    Symbolically of course, though. No one actually cared for the their lives, not unless the were famous by the time they died.

  • @violatione
    @violatione 14 років тому +1

    @1lubu1 Are you mad?!!!! First of all as a gladiator, you are a slave. You have to do whatever your Dominus tells you. If Senator Fudgepaccus finds you handsome and wants to drive his manhood into your steamy depths...you're taking phallus! If Dominus decrees that you are to fight lions barefisted, you're knuckling up. If some rich brat purchases you because he wants to know what it's like to kill a great warrior, you're clocking out. Still want to be a Gladiator?!!!

  • @Carlos-mg7bh
    @Carlos-mg7bh 4 роки тому +1

    2:00 and 2:35 😍😍😍

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  14 років тому +2

    @ex0pos
    Heh, I have a majored in Roman history (Univ. of Loyola New Orleans) - do not think I am that easily confused ;)
    Indeed, I beleive De Organographia, the Greek music recreationist group did the same song. This is because the Romans essentially lacked their own music. The ancient Latin peoples likely had their own musical styles, but heavily influenced by Etruscans. But this is all speculation. We do not know what the Early Romans played.

    • @MMMCLXXX
      @MMMCLXXX 6 років тому

      One day, when I am not exhausted from dealing with people taught by Marxist Jew professors, I will unfortunately share with you why you wasted your money in _shool._
      And the Greek Supremacist there, "expo0ser" who doesn't understand anything but being semantic; who is of the J haplogroups and other flotsam, doesn't grasp a hair of how ITALICA functioned; and I am truly sorry, but neither do you.
      These absolutisms are *subterfuge,* and you know it.
      My family goes back to the MESSINA, before the "Sicils" ever touched that land. The MESSINA allowed them to inhabit the coast, scantly.
      Later on some MESSINA moved onto CALABRIA and surrounding areas.
      I am ROMAN/CALABRESE, and have some BARESE on my mother's side. There is a hint of Greek from around ~1000 AD; my ancestor what a Greco-Roman apothecary/druggist/hermeticist/alchemist; essentially what Doctors were previously.
      Between my mother and father, their interwoven lines trace very far back; farther than most, luckily for records, location of relatives, their olive orchards, inscriptions on properties, ancient deeds, genetics, word of mouth and honor passed down, nomen/cognomen, and the endless 30+ years of triangblvm.
      This was in a fact à ROMANESQVE sound. It is more Medeival sounding, as most recreational products are influenced by the North landers attempting to grasp the ITALIC Blood, which is impossible.
      The ethnic Italian male is donned the most virile and driven male in *the world.*
      The ethnic Italian is of the R1b haplo and contains 90% Ancient ROMAN DNA on average.
      I have _traveled_ back to the agrarians [X TO XX thousand BC] on North America, for which the male skulls looked like my grandfather; the same orbital facets, occipital facet of the skull, and just overall impression. They were declared as "Evropid Caucasoid". And then the F B I retrieved [stole] them from the researchers, and handed the skeletons over to the "Natives" because "burial rites".
      But as one of the researchers/scientists had enough time to make observations, he shared what I just said, and more. But I would like to leave that for a day when it matters. I'm sure that researcher isn't living anymore.
      Anyways, those Caucasoid agrarians; enough to have little 'villages' and tools etc; crossed the land bridges, I believe on both sides of NA. Others have too. But earlier were non-human, and later was the Asiatic migration IN.
      The NVRAGHII peoples, more than a pre-cursor to Celts/Italics/Romans/LATINS/LATIAR/MESSINA [Messiah/Messenger/Guardian/Rightful/Alligator/Beacon/'Durability/Persistence'] they were metallurgists/stone masons. The styles and marking are so homogenous over several thousand years, that they can identify that the same _peoples_ traveled what I call, the "T-zone" of Evrope. They essentially always practiced animal husbandry, agraria, worship [which they made lintel altars], and in the latter millenniae traveled the Mediterranean, on land mostly I am sure, crafting tools/weapons and settling in Malta, Sardinia, the water-buried cities all around the coast of ITALICA; North Africa, which actually has the exact same geological make-up as Italy itself.
      Before "Greece" or "Macedonia" was an SATVRNIAN/PERSIAN speck in the world, the Tribes of ITALII were the main circus act around Evrope. There were *very few* clumps of anybody, except early "Slavs/Caucasus", and "Mesopotamian/Easten/Asiatic Caucasoids".
      Only Keltoi, Latins, Alpinids had actual cultural hearths.
      This is *extremely* brief compared to the months it would take to share everything.
      This way excludes peoples.
      This way leaves out vital information.
      It is just too much and too important.
      I will finish with this, because this is what I need the dying breed of "academic" chalk weilders to fully understand:
      There was a whole land of people, which already took up most of the World, that matters. The MARE•NOSTRVM was always important, even to the Phoenicians, WHO, along with Italics actualized what is considered "Hellenistic".
      There is no backstory for Greeks. They were so obsessed with individuality, they fought each other with a straight face.
      I will leave that there because it never ends. I don't have to emotional strength or time to get into it at the moment.
      ➡️The Greek quarters were *filthy* places in Rome. Why in the hell would men of status speak their language more than they had to?
      Even represented in HBO's ROME, which was so accurate the Jews were afraid of the turn of the millenniae as "Jesus the Son of God" having to be a topic, they hastily forced Bruno Heller to tear down billions of dollars worth of sets and wardrobes and bury it.
      Two Seasons. CAPVT.
      But the magical fake Hollywoodized "Vikings" ahhhhh Vikings ahhhhh... goes on and on and on, because it doesn't offend the Jews.
      No offense, but when people treat my Ancestors, Forefathers like some cute and quaint reenactment curiousity, it makes my *hatred* for the IVDEN harder and deeper.
      No culture has ever been ripped apart year after year, century after century.
      I'LL just tell you... me ne frego...
      I am from the BRVTVS line. All the way back the founding of the RES•PVBLICA.
      IVNIVS•BRVTVS is my several dozens times over, relative. Look at his face. And look at mine.
      My middle name is BRVNO. So is my cousin a few years younger; from my Nonno, who was born in ROMA and live in CALABRIA; the Region of Calaboration [and derivatives of]. It is where MESSINA, and local Tribes/Peoples gathered, as well as MATERA, in the hills, which compare with what also looks like NVRAGHIITE construction, but slightly earlier.
      Keep in my the water was *WAY* lower thousands of years ago.
      Yes, and my Nonno's name was BRVNO. It is literally the same name. And because Romans passed down the last name as first... well you can fill that in.
      This isn't opinion or some kind of pathology. My father began researching in the late 60's/early 70's in Italia.
      My parents were born in Italy.
      I am unfortunately, a second Generation Canadian. Rather be here than America I guess. Still Russian subversion in each country.
      I don't mind that. I just don't like the Jew who pretends to be Russian. I like ethnic Russians and Slava. Poles and Russians share the R1b with Italica and Celts/Brits.
      That's the other thing; the Villanova people [I believed researchers named them] I think they were early Slav/Baltic/Alpine. You can see it in early Roman faces. Even CAESAR himself.
      I am on a cell phone, so my structure for imprimis presentation is not ideal and seems choppy and amateur, which it is I guess.
      But I want to say this as FINEM, because everybody is so concerned with "GIMME TOUR SOURCES!" and all that. Yes, sure, let me go back in time.
      My intelligence is in the top several percentile, in the world. CIVITAS. SOCIETAS.
      I have lost of shit, to deal with, but I am also fortunate.
      I live literally, by my GLADIVS. My matte black one.
      I have two, actually.
      My point is; I do- what average people do when they are at full capacity- while I am asleep. Almost literally.
      I used to obfuscate Alphaic qualities around almost everyone. I was a clown.
      I have grown to be *who I AM, and honor myself and my Ancestors.*
      It doesn't mean anything, the lineage; as in like the shit they show you in the movies where the ancient vampiric bloodline awakens and the CORVINVS and the blah blah blah reclaim the rightful blah blah.
      But what it *does* mean; is a chance to start where family left off.
      As subversion and terror have plagued us, my almost 38 years have been spent learning and gathering.
      Arches built with no Keystone with not stand.
      Keeping with my natural constitution, and defined by epithets able to be dredged from my name, "Bastard"/"Stubborn asshole"/"Steel one"/"Bruised and Bitter"/"Tawny-tanned as the Lion"-
      "TESTA DVRO" in Italian-
      I have fought and laid my own territory in this world.
      Quietly.
      But now you will start to hear the bellows of the cavernous Papa Leo.
      Yes, the, Papa Leo.
      Bravery and courage are virtues for the POPVLVS.
      I AM.
      Perhaps I shall release my compendivm in book form some day when the fake Jews are blown off the Earth. Right now, it would be lost in the greasy hands of jealousy and hatred.
      Even after I am dead, my work will pass on, until ROMA is ROMA again. No more, no less.
      I have shared this information with less people than the fingers on one hand. And even at that, it is usually partitioned; just as my knowledge; just in case.
      _I have said what I have said._
      ☈ ☤ ☉ ⋈ ∧ ♃ ♄ ☧ ۞ ⏣ ☠
      I am in GRATITVDE for the uploads. I have much of this, but you have supplemented what I don't have. Some I have never heard for some reason.
      F O R T I T V D I N E M • E T • H O N O R E M
      F I N E M • I N • P A C E M

  • @kellann55
    @kellann55 15 років тому

    thanks for the explaination! I actually went and bought a version of this song off itunes I liked it so much. Thanks for uploading it!

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  15 років тому

    Glad you do ;D
    I still have quite a large portion un-uploaded, but I have reservations over their quality, as they are from a different group.

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  14 років тому +1

    @ex0pos
    The people simply want to experience something the Romans did. Musica Romana in their booklets do mention this fact, so it is not as if they are misrepresenting their product xP. Not to mention, the album Pugnate ('Fight!') features music that was likely played during the gladiatorial fights.
    I am as inclined towards historical pedantism as you may be, but honestly, most people do not care for the details of the origins - Seikilos and Hymn to Nemesis are but two songs after all.

  • @rafeo4461
    @rafeo4461 Рік тому +1

    Hoc est magnificum !

  • @MKnew099
    @MKnew099 8 років тому +7

    Civilization VI Greece?!

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  14 років тому +1

    @ex0pos
    I explained a bit of this in my video descriptions of De Organographia music (see my other videos), mainly the fact that the Romans listened to Greek music. Perhaps I should add a similar note here. Indeed, I have been lazy here. I did not even put video descriptions for the Sumerian music (which is even more authentic than this, given the records we have of the Hurrian Hymns - yes, I know they are from a later period of a different culture - but the music remained the same)

  • @daulatnapitupulu
    @daulatnapitupulu 8 років тому +3

    lovely

  • @diagreen
    @diagreen 14 років тому +2

    cool.keep it coming.

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  14 років тому +1

    @ex0pos
    And I also did not put the song titles for the other videos, such as Synaulia. My apologies :(
    On another note, it is very pleasing to see a fellow of student viewing these videos :D - what are you doing now, if I may ask? I was thinking of going for a doctorate and possibly professorship, but when given the thin prospects of a job, I decided to go to law school and become an attorney(immigration), as my father did. The alt. was probably teaching high-school with a PhD in history x(

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  14 років тому

    @ex0pos
    What we know of Roman music is largely what the upper classes enjoyed during the Later Republic and onwards to probably the Principate. I doubt we even have any pieces of music from the Dominate period.

  • @blakegale7810
    @blakegale7810 12 років тому +1

    i can imagine it mourners and healers
    puting there mourns to sleep then bringing out the party in them

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  14 років тому +1

    @ex0pos
    Well, it depends on how you look at it. The common peoples may have listened to 'folk' music, but the equites and the patricians, the culture of Rome listened to Greek and only Greek music, as far as we can determine. This *is* Roman music in the sense that it is what the ancient Romans listened to. The point of Musica Romana is to illustrate what the Romans listened. And they have a legion of mostly German professors, historians & museum curators on their side.

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  15 років тому +2

    @Denass121
    How so?

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  14 років тому +1

    @ex0pos
    The upper classes were thoroughly Hellenised, no matter how much traditionalists the likes of Cato the Elder resisted it. Whatever Roman music survived into the posterity is essentially Greek music, with almost no modifications. Even in sculpture, the Romans did better - think of the late Dominate simplicity of expression (for instance, the busts of Constantius Chlorus and the giant statue in Rome of his son Constantine I) in comparison to the lavish realism of the later Greeks.

  • @ex0pos
    @ex0pos 14 років тому +1

    The Song of Seikilos is Greek through and through. It was laid down with Greek lyrics, in Greek notation, on a Greek tombstone, in Greek lands.
    I do understand that we have essentially nothing of Roman music apart from what they might have imported from Greece. But the fact that Romans might have enjoyed Greek music hardly makes it "Roman."
    - ex0pos, BA, Classical Studies (w/emphases on Ancient Greek language, literature, and music), Brandeis University.

  • @Omer-by8ji
    @Omer-by8ji 5 років тому +1

    3:53 zılgıt hahahah

  • @kellann55
    @kellann55 15 років тому +1

    whats with the people wailing in the background?

  • @ex0pos
    @ex0pos 14 років тому +1

    @generalpatton3
    Belated reply here... I thank you for your comments. I think we're mostly on the same page here. What am I doing now, you ask? We're on the same page there as well -- like you, I went on to do the law school thing. Just about the only practical use for an impractical degree (estate planning & tax). I used to do employment law (as my mother did), but that field is far too cantankerous. I've considered doing immigration as well... but I don't know square one about it.

  • @generalpatton3
    @generalpatton3  15 років тому

    Well, in a large part, you would have. Money, women, fame... And Iunius was correct in the fact that professional gladiators did not die as often as in a flick.
    Still, it was a dangerous life, unless you were quite renowned. One was rarely immune to a bloody fight in the Flavian Amphitheatre/Colosseum. There, cost was seldom an issue, hence the butchery. Not to mention there was always the horrifying prospect of a stomach wound. Then again there was the merciful mallet in the head...

  • @IuniusPalladius
    @IuniusPalladius 15 років тому

    Of course very few gladiatorial fights went to the death anyway, gladiators were expensive, but people forget that and think of bloody scenes from movies. Yes, criminals were executed and animals butchered but not gladiators.

  • @divinesleeper
    @divinesleeper 6 років тому +1

    Seikilos is greek, not roman

  • @ex0pos
    @ex0pos 14 років тому

    Poster is woefully confused. Song of Seikilos is Greek. Culturally appropriate much?

  • @ex0pos
    @ex0pos 11 років тому +1

    How drunk were you when you scribbled that?

  • @Denass121
    @Denass121 15 років тому

    Uhm, rome had doctors that were more effective than our own on many levels

  • @MEATYOKERRable
    @MEATYOKERRable 12 років тому +3

    I'm not digging it.