Thanks for sharing Ash, so interesting to hear of your experiences and I’m grateful for your frankness! I’ve got a few friends who moved from Brisbane to TAS - some to Kingston and some to Cygnet - and within 2-3 years they moved back. They all said they didn’t fit in and they felt the vibe drained their joy. Now I think I understand 🙏🏻 all the best for your ongoing adventures!
Hi Ashleigh. I liked your comments about moving to where you are comfortable and settled. I'm a Canadian who has been living in Australia since the mid 1960s. I'm well into my 70s now. By chance, and the arbitrary decision of the Australian Department of Immigration back in the 1960s, I was sent to South Australia. Adelaide in fact. I'd lived in 3 other countries by then, this was my fourth. I got lucky, and instantly fell in love with the place. I live here still. I have been to Tasmania a number of times, and very much enjoy what it has to offer. But I don't fit in there. I have also been to all of the other mainland states of Australia. Sorry, but Adelaide is my home. However, my two favourite cities other than Adelaide are Melbourne and Perth. And my favourite place during the cold of winter; Cairns.
I moved to Tassie two years ago. Best decision I’ve made. I seem to be in the minority though according to these comments haha. I do agree with your comments and find these things frustrating too however the good outweighs the bad for me. Thanks for being brutally honest with all your videos!
@@rsinclair6560 Yeah, and on top of that, they move to some random secluded town in the middle of knowhere with a population of 12 and then realise very quickly just how far away basic health services and shops are. And then also wonder why the people in the tiny town they just moved to don't want anything to do with them...
Like you said Ash, Tassie is a lovely place to holiday, but that's about it. If you want a career and a life, Melbourne is the place for you. I can't believe I've been following you for 2 years now!
I'm from Perth, but I've had to temporarily stay in other places in other parts of Australia over the years. Sydney & Melbourne after a while drove me insane and still do when I go there now for a holiday. Perth is more laid back, better weather & generally friendly people. Apart from the Pilbara & Kimberley regions of WA, which I like, Darwin is the only other city outside of WA I would feel comfortable living in. It is a personal choice, live where you feel happy and content.
I've been to Perth before, and it is quaint and laid back. I did like that about it too. However I feel it will grow rapidly in the next 30 years. Likely to exceed the population of present day Melbourne. Ironically it will probably still be Australia's most liveable city by then too. Aussies by then will flock to the other capitals like Adelaide and Perth to avoid the eastern capitals nearing 8 million each in the near future.
I love Tasmania but there is a pervasive feeling that change of any type is bad. If you're the type of person who hates change it's a great place to live, but if you want to improve your community Tasmania is probably the worst place to try to do it. I put it down to the historical ambivalence towards education past Year 10 and the general shortage of educational opportunities.
Where is the evidence that people think change is bad? I just don't see it. There is a huge difference of opinion about the direction the state should take - preserve the heritage difference, protect the forests or not, what and how to develop,. But I simply do not see any evidence to support the 'change is bad' narrative. I want to protect what makes Tassie special, but that's not the same as not embracing change. Actually we are leaders in innovation in many fields.
@@carokat1111I think you are right, change in not the correct word. I lived there pre internet days, ABC and two commercial TV stations. When JJJ (ABC), young people started to hear new opinions and music. They wanted to be part of it and they moved out of the State. I can only explain this as one example I know well. They media there like to divide people , yu are fore and against. Instead of investigational journalism they report. So instead of looking at what changes or new ideas that benifit society in other States they look always look internally. When the kids are at school, the teacher and trained in Tasmania, there teacher were trained and it so forth. It is not the fault of the person. However the internet should have changed that. This s an example: Victoria introduced railtrails to Australia in 1992. It was for recreation and boost rural town economies. They are a success. In Tasmania, the North East railway which gradually closed and lifted from the late 1980's. Last train to Scottsdale in 2004. Left to grow over. Then locals got funding in 2014 to convert to a rail trail. It would leave Victorian rail trails for dead. Yet Tasmanians are still fighting in that region against it.
I understand I grew up in small town and I could not go back to live I have lived small towns else where and enjoyed it so much not every place feels like home everyone’s different. I’m moving to tas soon and I’m super excited I can’t wait 😊 but I’m so used to slow pace life I lived in Sydney for five years enjoyed it so much but on other hand couldn’t live much longer than that.
You should still try be supportive not hurt by this. some people did tell ash to go just for having opinions on things. which is so normal especially with her insight on things she has lived in USA and now Australia so she has experience to share and opinions.
Just very parochial thinking unfortunately. I remember my ex boyfriend's family were very rude about Sydney - this is in Ballarat. Just basically a country town mentality. They want to be embraced as urban and modern but won't do the work. God forbid if you tell them how terrible Ballarat was. Or it was at the time.
I’ve lived in Canberra, Sydney and Adelaide. I feel truly blessed to have been living in Tasmania now for thirty years. Each to their own. Just some facts for you, from the latest studies I could find: the safest capital city in Australia is Canberra, followed by Adelaide and then Hobart. Hobart ranked behind Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth on the the international happiness index, and rated in the top 90 cities worldwide. It's a great place to live and in my 30 years here I have never not experienced any of the issues you raise as a problem - even when I was new to the place.
I think its ok not to like a city, the vibe or the people. I think those that live in the city you didnt enjoy, for whatever reason, would feel insulted somewhat and that is a natural reaction. In the end its about your preference. Ive lived in Melbourne, Australia my entire life, and visited countries all around the world. Each has its own vibe, things I lijed or disliked. but as a visitor its slightly different. Its no different between the major cities in Australia. I dont like Melbourne and have plans to move to Queensland. Ashleigh you have absolutely nothing to apologise for! Love watching your vlogs and adventures, and Luna 😊
GOOD OH. YOU SHOULDNT FEEL UNCOMMFORTABLE ABOUT VOICING YR OPINIONS EVER! Now enough about you - I visited Tassie when I was 12 with parents (stop me if youve heard this before ..). Went Hobart ... no that's it - it was fine. Went back in my 20's with other half for 2 weeks and it was lovely - hired a car drove around saw some stuff. Highlights for me was stopping for raspberries from a farm stall. Staying @ Port Arthur in the adjoining hotel and the HUGE ELECTRICAL STORM that exploded over Port Arthur just before we went on our Night Ghost Tour (and in retrospect driving past the white accommodation just before Port Arthur Bryant burned down killing occupant a couple days after we left Tassie). The * event was the Historical 2 story convict built accom we stayed in first night - Flew into Launceston storms raging as we landed of course. Went Casino for dinner then back to accom - other half fell asleep quickly and only sound was the fire lightly flickering as I sat on couch looking at travel pamphlets. Out of the absolute dead silence came the unmistaking sound of a male wearing boots slowly coming down the timber internal stairs behind me - I was frozen but managed to get up and run to the bedroom as the foot fall fell on the last timber tread. Threw the blankets over my head and hardly breathed didnt move - obviously fell asleep and all good - made myself go upstairs in morning - yes it felt strange - 2 tiny bedrooms up there. Just before we left I had to go through kitchen on way out to car - it felt really cold uninviting - I WILL NEVER and HAVE NEVER stayed in any historical accom since then. No that's last time I'll visit Tassie - I think there is too much history there.
Super interesting video, thanks Ashleigh! I'm looking into doing a marine science masters abroad (I'm from Canada) and it is helpful to know what jobs are like after schooling there
It depends if you are happy to be like the majority, join the matrix , and stay on the treadmill. Just remember life is very short. You do what brings you joy, happiness and forfillment. Or do something to help change what you don't like. In the meantime, I will wander my deserted beach with my dogs, walk by the river, come home have a good coffee, work in my sustainable garden. Write for a while, create on my projects. I am so happy. And wish you find your happy place.
My family is 6th gen Tasmanian and through family history research I have come to the conclusion that there is a lot of generational trauma in the community due to the nature of convict settlement and the hard years of post-convict invasion and war against the Indigenous population. Family violence, drugs and alcohol misuse have been a real issue.... I can see it threading back through my braod family history. I just wonder if that contributes to the character of the community.
I think you are being a bit hard on yourself and Tas folk. You remember there is a very established political aristocracy. Wealth of a minority going back to when the British granted massive free land grants. Those still exist and are protected. These families keep the properties within these aristocracy by marriage but they are running out of new blood. Tamar Valley is a good example. The politicians from old families. It was not until 1989 when fresh outsiders in way of the Greens with educated background and that challenged the 'old boys club' .
You may have heard about this, but Tasmania is stereotyped to be the most backward, "hillbilly" state in Australia, similar to Alabama in the US. That may explain a lot of your experiences there.
Stay in Melbourne then. Suits me . For the record I was born and live in Tasmania . We have many people I know personally, some are close friends that have come from other countries and your comment about not being welcoming is just not true from my own experience. In my workplace it's just the opposite .We LOVE newcomers . Tassie is different to other places in Australia but so is Queensland , New South Wales , W.A. S.A , Victoria , NT , ACT and wherever else . What makes us different ,makes our country . What I find offensive about this video is your need to explain why you left ? The only ones who may really care are any friends you made in Tassie . We will live in our beaut part of the world , welcome new people who want to join us with open arms and you just please yourself . Make lots of videos about what you like about Melbourne (It's a great place} but not ones like this . Not helpful to anyone . See ya.
It's complete nonsense to say Tasmanians don't like change. I don't know where that idea comes from. It is barely a Liberal state - more people vote for Labor, the Greens and independents, they just didn't form government thanks to Labor party politics.
@@coffeeenut There are heritage rules in place for certain properties. That's why. No different to the Cotswalds in England and other places which value their heritage.
@@coffeeenut That's not unique to Tasmania. Restrictions on heritage listed building are common everywhere. Restrictive covenants in new and newer housing developments, intended to maintain the character of the location, are also very common on the mainland.
Im not sure why you feel you need to defend your decision about moving from Tasmania, Ashleigh. Ive got relatives in Tasmania. Its a beautiful place but its very very far from the centre of things. Pretty much everyone leaves Tasmania (Neal the seal being the exception). Every Australian knows that. You are one of many many people who dont stay. Every flight from the mainland to Tasmania at christmas is full of tassie expats visiting their parents for christmas. Those guys keep Australian airlines profitable. ps you might like to watch the comedy series Rosehaven, which is pretty much built on the premise that Tasmania is a very very quiet place where nothing much happens.
As a Melbourne resident we’re happy to have you. There are plenty of cultural events I go to every week in Melbourne and I never have to go anywhere else. No hate to Tasmania but it’s mostly farmland and historic cities so I can understand why you wouldn’t like it.
I grew up in Tasmania and to be fair, I did leave. Not because I wanted to but because there was just more work opportunities on the mainland, and I'm not sure what would have happened if I had stayed there. I do miss it sometimes though. But yes, that "love it or leave it" sentiment does exist in Tassie. Funny enough though, I live in Canberra now and people say the same thing. The show Rosehaven (set in regional Southern Tasmania) isn't wrong when the locals said "What, you couldn't hack it on the mainland?".
I've lived in four Australian cities, across three states. I didn't settle anywhere till my late 20s (in Melbourne). That's what your 20s are for: learning what you like, what you hate, who you are. You'll be right, kiddo!
Queensland is much better, for life style reasons. Tasmania is known as being very insular. The further north along the coast you go in Australia the warmer the people are.
Your comments are true my husband and our little family moved there and it was such a lonely place we left 2 years later .I was bored shopping was restricted and we weren't campers either going on trips around the state was clostrophobic it was a shame we felt this way however I did make 2 friends there.SORRY THIS IS NEGATIVE.
Yes Claustrophobic is a great description. I have been trying to get a community, local, hospitality and recreational hub North East of Launceston 8 years. So new people, interstate and overseas students, road tourist can meet, camp, walk. BUT this is the problem, the State cannot compare.
A lot of Tasmanians in their 20s move to Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane. But mainland people over 55 are finding it a perfect fit to retire to Tasmania.
It depends too on how well superannuated you are at retirement also land and houses were really cheap. The kids have left home and married. Many folk have 'the shacks. But that changed particularly when flights got cheap and people still working in highly paid jobs in Melbourne could buy a house with a view of the Derwent, impossible to get bay view in Melbourne. They returned to Hobart on Friday plane. Then the 2008 great recession and further property bought by non native investors. And ofcourse Covid. The 55 plus retiree do find they have left their children and grandchildren and friends ofcourse. I always say, buy a boat in Tas and explore. When medical issues arise availability of specialists can be a big problem requiring extended stays in Melbourne or Syndey, cost and trauma being in transit having treatment and not at home.
As a person that is Australian and has also lived in Tasmania. Students are a very important in Tasmania. There are no natural resources in Tasmania anymore hence all the abandoned towns and lack of job opportunities. As far as marine Biology goes even Australians can't get jobs in that field. Tasmania can feel as though it is protective of its Island at times. Tasmania started with a very troubled colony of English and Irish petty criminals that did not deserve to be in the style of prison they were subjected to. Tasmania is a part of Australia, but they really are Tasmanian. I don't think they even like mainlanders coming over to settle. However, I lived in a beautiful place called St Helen's and it did not take long to make friends. Melbourne is definitely a buzzing vibe. Mostly because it has many more diverse cultures living and working together. Tassy is one of the most remarkable places to visit for a holiday.
One day when Hobart approaches the size of Adelaide, it will still be a small city but alot more likely to hold onto its population. By then Adelaide must be the size of present day Brisbane at almost 3 million
Yes I think St Helens is the pick of the places to live. You need reliable cheap transport. Good superannuation or well paid job and a boat, cray pot, wetsuit and mask / snorkel and a camper.
I lived for 15 years in Canberra, studied a diploma there, stopped those studies as I struggled with living as a broke ass student in the early 1990's, changed workplaces and accommodation's several times over those years, returned to studies doing a diploma in horticulture. Got married there, got divorced there, opened a business there, closed a business there etc. By my mid 30's I felt the place was exhausted for me, it felt stale to me and living there made me unhappy. It was not a home for me just a place to go through the motions of daily life. I moved to South Australia and my life immediately changed for the better. I'd had an epiphany, realising that if I waited until I could afford to move a house's furniture etc I never would have moved. I simply sold or gave away almost everything, packed up my van and moved across to SA. I didn't have a place to go, I just knew that for my own sanity and sense of well being I needed a drastic change. I hadn't been happy for a long time, it'd reached a point in my life where I felt that it was toxic for me. I knew that Canberra was no longer the place for me, if it ever was so I gave my possessions away, packed the van and left. I knew where I wanted to go but had no place to live when I got there. I spent my first 18 months living in a tent before moving into the city of Mount Gambier. I completely understand & relate to your feeling of leaving a place that wasn't a good fit for you. I still have family in Canberra and love to visit it, but to me I'd lived a lifetime's worth of experiences there and knew that I needed a change. So moved to SA, lived in a tent, got a house, met a lady whom I courted for 10 years, we've now been married for 10 years on top of that and also have a 5yo granddaughter living with us. I totally relate to you not feeling that Tassie was the place for you, Melbourne might not be the 'just right' fit either, only time will tell but it's better for you than Tasmania was. I'm also glad that you didn't find you were at your breaking point, as I was. I'm looking through your tale with a lens of decades of life experience, I'm in my 50's now and you still have so much life ahead of you. At this stage of your life you know when something isn't right for you. You'll go through many changes in your life to come, but one day you'll be in a place and time in your life where you get a gut feeling of contentment, that you are in the right place, at the right time for you and you'll feel a calling to spend your life there. The calling comes first, because one only develops a sense of true belonging after they've invested and nurtured that place with time spent there. Put simply, you'll find a place where you want to put down roots and grow. It'll be OK, just remember that the value of dark is for you to see the light, the bad times let you appreciate the good times 🙂↕️
Thanks for being real! Please keep it that way as it's appreciated! I respect UA-camrs more if they're not playing the algorythym or click bait games. Wouldhave been good if you called it out when you were there.
@coffeeenut for a short period of time I would think, a few years top. My comment is around she thought with so many international students, the vibe/mindset would be more modern but those students are drawn there for a different reason.
@@ntkp87They opened the Air Traffic Control School in Launceston thinking it would be a good idea and somehow compliment the maritime college.. No way the students wouldn't have it, they did not want to live in Launceston and the ATC school was closed and moved interstate.. Tasmania does not establish a recreationl and social foundation in order for interstate and international students to mix or introduce and share their ethnic and cultural back ground. There is very little casual work. The Government says come over and study get qualified and we will benifit from net external income which will benefit the Tasmanian economy. The city becomes claustrophobic. RMIT in Melbourne use to have an assortment of student clubs when there was a student union. I was shocked at the difference at Tasmanian tertiary institutions having almost nothing, bland.There are ways to develop a strong recreational and community foundation to help new people but Local and State Government don't want to know. Just a $800 million football stadium will solve all their social and economic problems!?
Australia is so large, like the USA, that there are many different lifestyles to choose from. I appreciate that you did not just leave because one place and lifestyle was not a good fit. Most Aussies are welcoming to long term residents who are willing to fit in a bit. Commenting on what is different to other places is fine. It’s when the comments are sneering or snarky, or continuous whinging that it seems obvious that the experience has become a negative for all concerned. I’m glad you are giving Melbourne a chance. I hope you will be able to visit a few other places in Oz as a tourist, since you have come all the way to the Southern Hemisphere. I guess you go where the seals are for work, so probably not Cairns. Lol.
That did make sense :) Having lived in the US too, I feel like there are many states - particularly in the South - much like Tasmania: if you don't like the way they do things, they'd rather you left, than that they'd consider changing. I don't know for sure, though - that's just the impression that I got.
@@rodneymcgiveron I'm Tasmanian and he's right. Although I personally don't see it as a bad thing. It's ignorant to move to another state and then immediately start complaining about how bad it is and start trying to change things. If you weren't born here, then keep your mouth shut. We don't want mainlanders telling us how to run things. They've already screwed up their cities and we don't want the same thing happening down here.
I think its ok not to like a city, the vibe or the people. I think those that live in the city you didnt enjoy, for whatever reason, would feel insulted somewhat and that is a natural reaction. In the end its about your preference. Ive lived in Melbourne, Australia my entire life, and visited countries all around the world. Each has its own vibe, things I liked or disliked. but as a visitor its slightly different. Its no different between the major cities in Australia. I dont like Melbourne and have plans to move to Queensland. Ashleigh you have absolutely nothing to apologise for! Love watching your vlogs and adventures, and Luna 😊
One of the negatives about being an international or interstate student, is that most folk genuinely assume (probably correctly in most cases) that you'll be gone as soon as you finish your studies. That influences a lot of attitudes. The "if you don't like it, why don't you leave" mindset exists everywhere, whether obvious or lurking under the surface, but mostly it's not meant to be a criticism. A lot of times it's just people noticing that you will indeed be happier somewhere else.
It makes a big difference if you have family in Tas. Also students often share house to keep cost down. May not have a car either. I boarded and made life long friends and when I decided to stay moving Launceston to Hobart. I wish I bought a small yacht. I didn't enjoy Launceston in the late eighties, but enjoyed the North East and coast line at Eddystone Point. Hobart was nice but I didn't enjoy the inland rural areas. Some great bands and music. Students are not going to venture to the South West or West Coast wilderness for Bush walks, it is sometimes intimidating and lonely. You need to be people in a walking club. They need good cultural and ethnic connections to stave off home sickness. Study is okay but the State lacks vision to understand establishing hospitality and recreational foundation that requires no cost, bike paths and rail trails.
Agree with attitudes 'leave if u don't like it' and lack of job opportunities is a big problem on the island and tons of nepotism, as my parents were migrants I never felt like I fitted in not having family around and an eastern european surname. I was born in Tas, left at 25 and have lived in Victoria for 25 years...lov it and will eventually move to NSW or QLD. Tasmanians can't take criticism , don't like change and can be judgy, probably not being used to different cultures and isolation I guess. Happy I moved and great to hear you are loving and thriving in Melbourne.
I think your opinions are absolutely normal stay in Melbourne it's a imelting pot of different people no such thing as a typical Aussie just get on a Melbourne train it's like going on a world tour absolutely love it keep being yourself it's good to see
What were your opinions and views that you were mentioning? Google Tasmania crime statistics and you will see Tassie has a relatively LOW crime rate compared to the rest of Oz. Google Melbourne crime rate. It's quite appalling, people complain about the crime yet vote the same people in every election. It's insane. You don't need to be a statistic expert to see the difference. Also Melbourne is a woke city. Full of woke people and woke ideas that lack common sense and are over taken by feelings and emotions. If you like these things, then Melbourne is for you.
May be a sight generalization. Not all Tasmanian are small minded. Melbourne, massive multi cultural interesting dynamic population, ethic diversity. The spread of suburbs is so vast. I love the live music scene, listening to 3RRR or 3PBS. Great walking up High Street, Preston, Coburg, Thornbury. Love eating out so many cultures and countries you can experience their hospitality and food.. Then the Eastern suburbs and again south eastern suburbs are different. West suburbs and Geelong different character, people. Inner suburbs all have great diversity and interstate. The tram and railway network. The roar of the crowd at the MCG.
Hi Ashleigh, thanks for the honest video 😊. I do realise that some places may not be for everyone. I come from a city in India where there is limited opportunities, and the main industry being higher education institutions. There’s only 2 cousins of mine left there, and the majority of my former classmates have left the town as well
Coming from South Korea & Japan, Melbourne struck me as flat, dirty, weirdly smug, & a pale imitation of what they think is Italy. Or France. I’m not sure. Tasmania ? Hobart & its central & rural areas ? Extraordinarily beautiful ! The best part of that country, easily. I’d love to have had the opportunity to live there ! To compare with home, Hobart struck me as a ‘Kyoto’. Melbourne ? A ‘Busan’ or ‘Osaka’. Or Kawasaki, or something like an Adachi-Ku.
Some cities have to be the eaner, the dirty industrial sections. Melbourne contribute massively to Gross Domestic Product, no where near what it use to.But cities are the people not the post card 1 picture. It's not always pretty but necessary. Did you drive up the river to Derwent Park and visit the zinc works or Bell Bay smelter?
Hi I’m from Tasmania, and live here tassie is so behind in marketing health education and venues expeditiously if you have a disability. Having said that tassie is a beautiful place aesthetically pleasing and yes Tassie is vey biased
Ah Tassie. I left there around 1990. Clearly it hasn't changed. Melbourne is much better, as you know. It's been a happy home for me for almost 30 years.
Interesting thoughts, thanks for sharing. I had a different experience regarding friendliness - perhaps its maybe because you sound more foreign than I? I did a round the island 3 week holiday where I was approached in nearly every town, someone saying hello etc. I had chats with people of all ages and ethnicities. I was asking people in each town what their life was like, do they enjoy their life, and that i was thinking of moving etc. had some really neat chats. I think it was my favourite part of my trip, just how friendly everyone was that I bumped into. Like you say - everyone can have a different experience. How do you like Melbourne by the way ? Im looking at moving from New Zealand to either Tas or Melbourne. Interesting to hear about the job opportunities, i suppose it comes down to past perspectives. There is 7 times more jobs going in Hobart than my town here in NZ and my town is a similar population - it was one of the main appeals on moving there haha. I suppose it then comes down to your field Anyways, looking forward to your videos from now a Melbourne based perspective! :) good on you for sharing your views regardless of what kind of responses you may get
There is Melbourne centra, inner suburbs, particularly Northcote, Thornbury. Quite upbeat. Then you have the suburbs and growing spread of outer suburbs. So wide spread each area has completely different character and lifestyle.
@@jreverie7018As a sample spend the week live stream 3PBS . It is a listener subscriber radio station. It will give you an idea of the dynamics of alternative to mainstream media. Same with 3RRR, which is a 'bit on the left. Melbourne is multi cultural and I did not think I would miss this when I lived in Tas1987 -1997.
You might have experienced friendly people in Tasmania because you were simply there as a tourist. We love tourist dollars being spent here. Tourism is a major part of our economy. However, once you move here, it's a very different story. No matter how long you live here, you will always be seen as an outsider. Even if you manage to conceal your kiwi accent over time, as soon as you tell someone that you weren't born here, the mood will change instantly. This isn't the case with all Tasmanians, but it is the case with a larger enough percentage of the population for it to be uncomfortable.
I can completely understand your comments. I moved from the Northern Beaches of Sydney 3.5 years ago. I generally don't say I'm from the mainland as I feel I will be judged. However, moving to Hobart has been the best decision we've made as a family. I have 2 young kids who have made great friends and have bought a beautiful home without the enormous mortgage of other states. The people are quirky, simple, and rough around the edges at times, but I've found them to be more authentic, giving and always up for a chat. Tasmania truly is a special place.
You made some really great points. Thank you for the honesty. You were traumied by a small isolated place. And that’s okay. You’ve learned you’re a bigger city person. TAS gets to stay TAS (AS THEY WANT!) and you get to MELB now.
This is the difference: If say, you say to someone from Melbourne or Victoria or Syndey or NSW, you don't like it. They just say, fair enough, no worries, let's have a coffee or find a cool place to eat and doesn't bother them. However say that to a Tasmanian ...well some might take it a bit personally and go quiet. But overall the friends I made and bush walks were great years ago.
Thanks for saying these things Ash, as a "true" Tasmanian who was born there and lived my whole life there... I know this video could have easily been a lot longer. My whole life in Tas I always felt there was something wrong with me as I was always pushed down and felt that my opinions weren't valid. Was only later in life I traveled internationally and realised the rest of the world wasn't like Tas. I married an American who moved to Tas and gave it our best but have now been in Queensland for over a year and just thinking of visiting gives me so much anxiety...Tasmanians have to realise this is not normal. Thank you for sharing 😊
Lol I'm 63 years old was born and grew up in Tasmania and let me tell you this attitude of if you don't like it leave, was alive and well back in the 70's I left when I was 17, I love going back for holidays but would never live there again. Every state has 5hare quirks as I have now lived in 5 of them but Tassy would have to be the only one I would double think before letting them know I thought their any thing wasn't up to par lol 😂 welcome to qld ❤
As an Australian who has lived in Victoria and NSW I think Tasmanians have serious issues with their attitude to ‘outsiders’. The health system is so bad that there are criminal cases against leaders in the health sector and negligence and failure is rife. That’s not to say there aren’t good medical professionals here (my GP is excellent) however, objectively the health system is failing and that is tragic for Tasmanians. Also, Australians are free to move around Australia, live where we like but Tasmanians seem to think they ‘own’ Tasmania, which they don’t. It’s still part of Australia. There are complex social and cultural problems here.
You may like to pod cast the Tasmanian Legislative Council debate and question time. It makes me cringe sometimes. Also with small rural areas, they vote for an independent who usually considers their business or investment and that local thinking effects the content of draughting of introduced State Acts which effect all Tasmanians or big business has the clout. Example when Labor tried to reduce, remove or take the monopoly off one family owned company who owned the poker machines, they played the media game of loss of jobs, not that it is demolishing communities wellbeing and the money leaves the State.
Tasmania may be a part of Australia, but we certainly identify as Tasmanian first and Australian second. If we had the economic means to secede from Australia, we would do it in a heartbeat. I've visited the mainland a few times and have felt like an outsider there as well. Almost like I was in a different country.
@@SanctusPaulus1962 it will never be independent. Firstly, with 50% functional literacy the people are ill equipped to run an independent state. It would be an impossibly complex process and as the foundation services are already failing, it’s unrealistic.
I grew up in Tasmania and I endorse this video. I didn't experience the healthcare or crime issues, but otherwise I agree with this. Also its not just "you weren't born here, shut up" it is also "you dared to move away at some point, shut up". Visiting is nice, but I never would live there again.
@@coffeeenut it's so juvenile. Tas people commenting "this is your brain on Melbourne" on Facebook pics of mine etc. when I go back now there is a real assumption that I think I am better or something. It's so weird
@@coffeeenut yeah. I am sure you understand. It's not everyone, but the ones that are bad really amplify their voices. Your video resonated with me. I have a good time when I go back, but the constant whinging about tourists (who keep the place alive) reminds me of being in Barcelona. I am glad we have both found Melbourne. It's a great place.
No I don't agree. It can be difficult for new and tertiary students from interstate and overseas.. I had an advantage having some money and car. Back in the late 1980's I bush walked and explored the north east of Tas. I made some great friends and made welcome, quite overwhelming overwhelming hospitality. Some had their guard up initially but this was before the world wide web or mobile phones. Some peole in Launceston had been once to Hobart. The media fuel alot of community division because it keeps them in business. The political scene is a combination of the original free settlers who were granted vast land grants by the British Government, hence your lion on the flag etc, which by marriage try to keep within the Tas-aristocracy -farmoccracy?? The Government like many but more so Tasmania will make decisions to keep their position rather than long term economic and social benefits to the community. They are still fighting over constructing a railtrail that should start at Invermay Uni precinct and go all the way to Scottsdale 20 years since the last train yet Victoria introduced railtrails to Australia 34 years ago, helping to boost rural economies and community well being. A great way for people to stop and talk along a ling narrow recreational park...not in Tas.
Ha Ha Ha 😂 🤣 😅 I am retired. But I am not going to Tasmania. I now live in a small country town in NSW. I love this place and I grew up in a large city. But this suits me fine. But not going to Tas.
@@carokat1111That is because Hobart is your home. People in Melbourne and there is a vast spread out 4.5million population distributed through many varying suburbs with ethnic, multicultural diversity, music, food, traditions. That is their home. I lived in Launceston, Ballarat, Hobart and started 23 years in Melbourne. I love the Derwent River, Bellerive Marana pizza with scallops, Eddystone and Waterhouse Point but I love the diversity of people, the live music, 3PBS radio, trams, trains and cafes, bars, Geelong, Port Phillip Bay too. It is my home town Melbourne. It is about the people not the geographics. But Tasmanian people need to challenge the elite unseen squattocracy and big business that control the population. You need outside experience and knowledge to improve social inequalities.
@@rsinclair6560 It's the geographics for me. I've lived in three big cities and I hate it. I love the quiet and beauty of Hobart, the wallabies in my garden, the cafes and community so close by. I feel claustrophobic in a major city. Tasmania isn't perfect by any means but it allows me to have a really high quality of life and get in to nature very quickly. I cherish that.
Tasmania is for retirees - mostly ! I've never visited our island paradise, and never knew the inhabitants were so island proud. Saying that I am not surprised that you came across fiercely protective Taswegians. Did you find any two headed ones ??😂😂
I think there is some fear in Tasmania and vulnerability. They often don't want to compare what they don't understand as assets that may be in their State but actually belong to all Australians. I have retired Tasmanians or retirees move their and say we don't want more tourist or people to move here. Then as the young leave to find jobs, I say, who is going to look after you in the hospital, or nursing home or age care facility? Who is going to keep the Infrastructure going? They don't think of this. When you read Launceston's economic growth strategies, they are repedtive, written by the insiders saying, 'look if we provide XYZ' people and tertiary will come and study but they completely no not understand that recreational , cultural and community foundations must be established so that multicultural folk can find a inclusive, compassionate local community and there own people from similar countries. Could this be changed ? Yes but they need input from people from elsewhere to provide feedback like you have wriiten nd listen and action. Not , 'oh well if you don't like it go'.
I am not sure it benifits the retirees? They soon realise that they don't see their kids or grandchildren on a frequent basis. Cannot get in the car and visit other weekend. Then when the educated leave or trained young people go, they struggle to find people to look after folk in hospitals or who will look after you in aged care? Who will manage the Infrastructure? Then serious health issues occur with no specialist yo have to go and stay in Melbourne or treatment.
Great place to study, time of my life but when study finished got the hell outa there, spent the last 20 years working overseas! Melbourne is a great choice, well done for getting outa Hobart you’ll never look back!!
Thanks for sharing Ash, so interesting to hear of your experiences and I’m grateful for your frankness! I’ve got a few friends who moved from Brisbane to TAS - some to Kingston and some to Cygnet - and within 2-3 years they moved back. They all said they didn’t fit in and they felt the vibe drained their joy. Now I think I understand 🙏🏻 all the best for your ongoing adventures!
Hi Ashleigh. I liked your comments about moving to where you are comfortable and settled. I'm a Canadian who has been living in Australia since the mid 1960s. I'm well into my 70s now. By chance, and the arbitrary decision of the Australian Department of Immigration back in the 1960s, I was sent to South Australia. Adelaide in fact. I'd lived in 3 other countries by then, this was my fourth. I got lucky, and instantly fell in love with the place. I live here still. I have been to Tasmania a number of times, and very much enjoy what it has to offer. But I don't fit in there. I have also been to all of the other mainland states of Australia. Sorry, but Adelaide is my home. However, my two favourite cities other than Adelaide are Melbourne and Perth. And my favourite place during the cold of winter; Cairns.
I moved to Tassie two years ago. Best decision I’ve made. I seem to be in the minority though according to these comments haha. I do agree with your comments and find these things frustrating too however the good outweighs the bad for me. Thanks for being brutally honest with all your videos!
I think it suits older people they move there etc love it but for young people it’s not stimulating enough melb is the other side of the coin
completely true!
Don't Forget About Sydney.😊
The older people move to Tas then they realise they won't see there grand children frequently or friends. Health service waiting list
@@rsinclair6560 Yeah, and on top of that, they move to some random secluded town in the middle of knowhere with a population of 12 and then realise very quickly just how far away basic health services and shops are. And then also wonder why the people in the tiny town they just moved to don't want anything to do with them...
Like you said Ash, Tassie is a lovely place to holiday, but that's about it. If you want a career and a life, Melbourne is the place for you. I can't believe I've been following you for 2 years now!
Agree with you. Love Tasmania but have lived there and didn’t love it for similar reasons
I'm from Perth, but I've had to temporarily stay in other places in other parts of Australia over the years. Sydney & Melbourne after a while drove me insane and still do when I go there now for a holiday. Perth is more laid back, better weather & generally friendly people. Apart from the Pilbara & Kimberley regions of WA, which I like, Darwin is the only other city outside of WA I would feel comfortable living in. It is a personal choice, live where you feel happy and content.
I've been to Perth before, and it is quaint and laid back. I did like that about it too. However I feel it will grow rapidly in the next 30 years.
Likely to exceed the population of present day Melbourne. Ironically it will probably still be Australia's most liveable city by then too.
Aussies by then will flock to the other capitals like Adelaide and Perth to avoid the eastern capitals nearing 8 million each in the near future.
I'm from Perth too, Perth not Western Australia but Perth Tasmania, near Western Junction, must have been a naming malfunction!
I love Tasmania but there is a pervasive feeling that change of any type is bad. If you're the type of person who hates change it's a great place to live, but if you want to improve your community Tasmania is probably the worst place to try to do it. I put it down to the historical ambivalence towards education past Year 10 and the general shortage of educational opportunities.
Where is the evidence that people think change is bad? I just don't see it. There is a huge difference of opinion about the direction the state should take - preserve the heritage difference, protect the forests or not, what and how to develop,. But I simply do not see any evidence to support the 'change is bad' narrative. I want to protect what makes Tassie special, but that's not the same as not embracing change. Actually we are leaders in innovation in many fields.
@@carokat1111I think you are right, change in not the correct word. I lived there pre internet days, ABC and two commercial TV stations. When JJJ (ABC), young people started to hear new opinions and music. They wanted to be part of it and they moved out of the State. I can only explain this as one example I know well. They media there like to divide people , yu are fore and against. Instead of investigational journalism they report. So instead of looking at what changes or new ideas that benifit society in other States they look always look internally. When the kids are at school, the teacher and trained in Tasmania, there teacher were trained and it so forth. It is not the fault of the person. However the internet should have changed that. This s an example: Victoria introduced railtrails to Australia in 1992. It was for recreation and boost rural town economies. They are a success. In Tasmania, the North East railway which gradually closed and lifted from the late 1980's. Last train to Scottsdale in 2004. Left to grow over. Then locals got funding in 2014 to convert to a rail trail. It would leave Victorian rail trails for dead. Yet Tasmanians are still fighting in that region against it.
@@carokat1111 I agree with you ...I get sick of people insulting Tassie and try to justify that with spurious opinions .
Support to you 🎉
thank you so much!
I understand I grew up in small town and I could not go back to live I have lived small towns else where and enjoyed it so much not every place feels like home everyone’s different. I’m moving to tas soon and I’m super excited I can’t wait 😊 but I’m so used to slow pace life I lived in Sydney for five years enjoyed it so much but on other hand couldn’t live much longer than that.
*waves goodbye* Followed your blog from your early days in Tas. Tried to be supportive. Never once told you to go home.
You kind of seem shitty about it, like what she's talking about.
You should still try be supportive not hurt by this. some people did tell ash to go just for having opinions on things. which is so normal especially with her insight on things she has lived in USA and now Australia so she has experience to share and opinions.
Just very parochial thinking unfortunately. I remember my ex boyfriend's family were very rude about Sydney - this is in Ballarat. Just basically a country town mentality. They want to be embraced as urban and modern but won't do the work. God forbid if you tell them how terrible Ballarat was. Or it was at the time.
I’ve lived in Canberra, Sydney and Adelaide. I feel truly blessed to have been living in Tasmania now for thirty years. Each to their own. Just some facts for you, from the latest studies I could find: the safest capital city in Australia is Canberra, followed by Adelaide and then Hobart. Hobart ranked behind Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth on the the international happiness index, and rated in the top 90 cities worldwide. It's a great place to live and in my 30 years here I have never not experienced any of the issues you raise as a problem - even when I was new to the place.
I think its ok not to like a city, the vibe or the people. I think those that live in the city you didnt enjoy, for whatever reason, would feel insulted somewhat and that is a natural reaction. In the end its about your preference. Ive lived in Melbourne, Australia my entire life, and visited countries all around the world. Each has its own vibe, things I lijed or disliked. but as a visitor its slightly different. Its no different between the major cities in Australia. I dont like Melbourne and have plans to move to Queensland. Ashleigh you have absolutely nothing to apologise for! Love watching your vlogs and adventures, and Luna 😊
GOOD OH. YOU SHOULDNT FEEL UNCOMMFORTABLE ABOUT VOICING YR OPINIONS EVER! Now enough about you - I visited Tassie when I was 12 with parents (stop me if youve heard this before ..). Went Hobart ... no that's it - it was fine. Went back in my 20's with other half for 2 weeks and it was lovely - hired a car drove around saw some stuff. Highlights for me was stopping for raspberries from a farm stall. Staying @ Port Arthur in the adjoining hotel and the HUGE ELECTRICAL STORM that exploded over Port Arthur just before we went on our Night Ghost Tour (and in retrospect driving past the white accommodation just before Port Arthur Bryant burned down killing occupant a couple days after we left Tassie). The * event was the Historical 2 story convict built accom we stayed in first night - Flew into Launceston storms raging as we landed of course. Went Casino for dinner then back to accom - other half fell asleep quickly and only sound was the fire lightly flickering as I sat on couch looking at travel pamphlets. Out of the absolute dead silence came the unmistaking sound of a male wearing boots slowly coming down the timber internal stairs behind me - I was frozen but managed to get up and run to the bedroom as the foot fall fell on the last timber tread. Threw the blankets over my head and hardly breathed didnt move - obviously fell asleep and all good - made myself go upstairs in morning - yes it felt strange - 2 tiny bedrooms up there. Just before we left I had to go through kitchen on way out to car - it felt really cold uninviting - I WILL NEVER and HAVE NEVER stayed in any historical accom since then. No that's last time I'll visit Tassie - I think there is too much history there.
Super interesting video, thanks Ashleigh! I'm looking into doing a marine science masters abroad (I'm from Canada) and it is helpful to know what jobs are like after schooling there
It depends if you are happy to be like the majority, join the matrix , and stay on the treadmill. Just remember life is very short. You do what brings you joy, happiness and forfillment. Or do something to help change what you don't like.
In the meantime, I will wander my deserted beach with my dogs, walk by the river, come home have a good coffee, work in my sustainable garden. Write for a while, create on my projects. I am so happy. And wish you find your happy place.
is there a lot of bongs to be smoked in tassie ?
Yeah
My family is 6th gen Tasmanian and through family history research I have come to the conclusion that there is a lot of generational trauma in the community due to the nature of convict settlement and the hard years of post-convict invasion and war against the Indigenous population. Family violence, drugs and alcohol misuse have been a real issue.... I can see it threading back through my braod family history. I just wonder if that contributes to the character of the community.
I think you are being a bit hard on yourself and Tas folk. You remember there is a very established political aristocracy. Wealth of a minority going back to when the British granted massive free land grants. Those still exist and are protected. These families keep the properties within these aristocracy by marriage but they are running out of new blood. Tamar Valley is a good example. The politicians from old families. It was not until 1989 when fresh outsiders in way of the Greens with educated background and that challenged the 'old boys club' .
You may have heard about this, but Tasmania is stereotyped to be the most backward, "hillbilly" state in Australia, similar to Alabama in the US. That may explain a lot of your experiences there.
What bullshit.......stereotyping is worthless trash
Stay in Melbourne then. Suits me . For the record I was born and live in Tasmania . We have many people I know personally, some are close friends that have come from other countries and your comment about not being welcoming is just not true from my own experience. In my workplace it's just the opposite .We LOVE newcomers . Tassie is different to other places in Australia but so is Queensland , New South Wales , W.A. S.A , Victoria , NT , ACT and wherever else . What makes us different ,makes our country . What I find offensive about this video is your need to explain why you left ? The only ones who may really care are any friends you made in Tassie . We will live in our beaut part of the world , welcome new people who want to join us with open arms and you just please yourself . Make lots of videos about what you like about Melbourne (It's a great place} but not ones like this . Not helpful to anyone . See ya.
You left Tasmania to move to Melbourne? Hahahahaha ... No, wait. That makes sense.
Hi Tasmania is the only Liberal (conservative) state in Australia and hence the people don’t like change and don’t like criticism.
It's complete nonsense to say Tasmanians don't like change. I don't know where that idea comes from. It is barely a Liberal state - more people vote for Labor, the Greens and independents, they just didn't form government thanks to Labor party politics.
not much has changed in tassie in years, to even change the color of an awning it needs to go through council and even then it gets revoked..
@@coffeeenut There are heritage rules in place for certain properties. That's why. No different to the Cotswalds in England and other places which value their heritage.
@@coffeeenut That's not unique to Tasmania. Restrictions on heritage listed building are common everywhere. Restrictive covenants in new and newer housing developments, intended to maintain the character of the location, are also very common on the mainland.
Has nothing to do with that it's just people are old fashioned that's all
Im not sure why you feel you need to defend your decision about moving from Tasmania, Ashleigh. Ive got relatives in Tasmania. Its a beautiful place but its very very far from the centre of things. Pretty much everyone leaves Tasmania (Neal the seal being the exception). Every Australian knows that. You are one of many many people who dont stay. Every flight from the mainland to Tasmania at christmas is full of tassie expats visiting their parents for christmas. Those guys keep Australian airlines profitable.
ps you might like to watch the comedy series Rosehaven, which is pretty much built on the premise that Tasmania is a very very quiet place where nothing much happens.
As a Melbourne resident we’re happy to have you. There are plenty of cultural events I go to every week in Melbourne and I never have to go anywhere else. No hate to Tasmania but it’s mostly farmland and historic cities so I can understand why you wouldn’t like it.
I grew up in Tasmania and to be fair, I did leave. Not because I wanted to but because there was just more work opportunities on the mainland, and I'm not sure what would have happened if I had stayed there. I do miss it sometimes though.
But yes, that "love it or leave it" sentiment does exist in Tassie. Funny enough though, I live in Canberra now and people say the same thing.
The show Rosehaven (set in regional Southern Tasmania) isn't wrong when the locals said "What, you couldn't hack it on the mainland?".
I've lived in four Australian cities, across three states. I didn't settle anywhere till my late 20s (in Melbourne). That's what your 20s are for: learning what you like, what you hate, who you are. You'll be right, kiddo!
Queensland is much better, for life style reasons. Tasmania is known as being very insular. The further north along the coast you go in Australia the warmer the people are.
What do you base that on .. There are wonderful people everywhere , not just in Queensland .
That rings true. It’s much easier to meet people and make friends in QLD. People there are more willing to talk to strangers.
Your comments are true my husband and our little family moved there and it was such a lonely place we left 2 years later .I was bored shopping was restricted and we weren't campers either going on trips around the state was clostrophobic it was a shame we felt this way however I did make 2 friends there.SORRY THIS IS NEGATIVE.
Yes Claustrophobic is a great description. I have been trying to get a community, local, hospitality and recreational hub North East of Launceston 8 years. So new people, interstate and overseas students, road tourist can meet, camp, walk. BUT this is the problem, the State cannot compare.
Thank you kindly for your open honest opinion.
A lot of Tasmanians in their 20s move to Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane. But mainland people over 55 are finding it a perfect fit to retire to Tasmania.
It depends too on how well superannuated you are at retirement also land and houses were really cheap. The kids have left home and married.
Many folk have 'the shacks. But that changed particularly when flights got cheap and people still working in highly paid jobs in Melbourne could buy a house with a view of the Derwent, impossible to get bay view in Melbourne. They returned to Hobart on Friday plane. Then the 2008 great recession and further property bought by non native investors. And ofcourse Covid.
The 55 plus retiree do find they have left their children and grandchildren and friends ofcourse. I always say, buy a boat in Tas and explore.
When medical issues arise availability of specialists can be a big problem requiring extended stays in Melbourne or Syndey, cost and trauma being in transit having treatment and not at home.
You nned to look after yourself and be happy. Unfortunately, we Australians can be a wee bit parochial at times.
Yes, I remember seeing you look unhappy in Tassie! Glad you're in a better place now
As a person that is Australian and has also lived in Tasmania. Students are a very important in Tasmania. There are no natural resources in Tasmania anymore hence all the abandoned towns and lack of job opportunities. As far as marine Biology goes even Australians can't get jobs in that field. Tasmania can feel as though it is protective of its Island at times. Tasmania started with a very troubled colony of English and Irish petty criminals that did not deserve to be in the style of prison they were subjected to. Tasmania is a part of Australia, but they really are Tasmanian. I don't think they even like mainlanders coming over to settle. However, I lived in a beautiful place called St Helen's and it did not take long to make friends. Melbourne is definitely a buzzing vibe. Mostly because it has many more diverse cultures living and working together. Tassy is one of the most remarkable places to visit for a holiday.
One day when Hobart approaches the size of Adelaide, it will still be a small city but alot more likely to hold onto its population. By then Adelaide must be the size of present day Brisbane at almost 3 million
Yes I think St Helens is the pick of the places to live. You need reliable cheap transport. Good superannuation or well paid job and a boat, cray pot, wetsuit and mask / snorkel and a camper.
I lived for 15 years in Canberra, studied a diploma there, stopped those studies as I struggled with living as a broke ass student in the early 1990's, changed workplaces and accommodation's several times over those years, returned to studies doing a diploma in horticulture. Got married there, got divorced there, opened a business there, closed a business there etc. By my mid 30's I felt the place was exhausted for me, it felt stale to me and living there made me unhappy. It was not a home for me just a place to go through the motions of daily life.
I moved to South Australia and my life immediately changed for the better. I'd had an epiphany, realising that if I waited until I could afford to move a house's furniture etc I never would have moved. I simply sold or gave away almost everything, packed up my van and moved across to SA. I didn't have a place to go, I just knew that for my own sanity and sense of well being I needed a drastic change. I hadn't been happy for a long time, it'd reached a point in my life where I felt that it was toxic for me. I knew that Canberra was no longer the place for me, if it ever was so I gave my possessions away, packed the van and left. I knew where I wanted to go but had no place to live when I got there. I spent my first 18 months living in a tent before moving into the city of Mount Gambier. I completely understand & relate to your feeling of leaving a place that wasn't a good fit for you. I still have family in Canberra and love to visit it, but to me I'd lived a lifetime's worth of experiences there and knew that I needed a change. So moved to SA, lived in a tent, got a house, met a lady whom I courted for 10 years, we've now been married for 10 years on top of that and also have a 5yo granddaughter living with us. I totally relate to you not feeling that Tassie was the place for you, Melbourne might not be the 'just right' fit either, only time will tell but it's better for you than Tasmania was. I'm also glad that you didn't find you were at your breaking point, as I was.
I'm looking through your tale with a lens of decades of life experience, I'm in my 50's now and you still have so much life ahead of you. At this stage of your life you know when something isn't right for you. You'll go through many changes in your life to come, but one day you'll be in a place and time in your life where you get a gut feeling of contentment, that you are in the right place, at the right time for you and you'll feel a calling to spend your life there. The calling comes first, because one only develops a sense of true belonging after they've invested and nurtured that place with time spent there. Put simply, you'll find a place where you want to put down roots and grow. It'll be OK, just remember that the value of dark is for you to see the light, the bad times let you appreciate the good times 🙂↕️
Well said. S.A. just has something special but I love the listener funded radio 3RRR and 3PBS and the life music in Melbourne.
Thanks for being real! Please keep it that way as it's appreciated! I respect UA-camrs more if they're not playing the algorythym or click bait games. Wouldhave been good if you called it out when you were there.
She did
International student goes to Tas simply due to easier pathway to PR, got nothing to do with mindset or culture 😂
lots of PR pathways require you to live in Tas after your degree….
@coffeeenut for a short period of time I would think, a few years top. My comment is around she thought with so many international students, the vibe/mindset would be more modern but those students are drawn there for a different reason.
@@ntkp87They opened the Air Traffic Control School in Launceston thinking it would be a good idea and somehow compliment the maritime college.. No way the students wouldn't have it, they did not want to live in Launceston and the ATC school was closed and moved interstate..
Tasmania does not establish a recreationl and social foundation in order for interstate and international students to mix or introduce and share their ethnic and cultural back ground. There is very little casual work. The Government says come over and study get qualified and we will benifit from net external income which will benefit the Tasmanian economy. The city becomes claustrophobic. RMIT in Melbourne use to have an assortment of student clubs when there was a student union. I was shocked at the difference at Tasmanian tertiary institutions having almost nothing, bland.There are ways to develop a strong recreational and community foundation to help new people but Local and State Government don't want to know. Just a $800 million football stadium will solve all their social and economic problems!?
Australia is so large, like the USA, that there are many different lifestyles to choose from.
I appreciate that you did not just leave because one place and lifestyle was not a good fit.
Most Aussies are welcoming to long term residents who are willing to fit in a bit.
Commenting on what is different to other places is fine. It’s when the comments are sneering or snarky, or continuous whinging that it seems obvious that the experience has become a negative for all concerned.
I’m glad you are giving Melbourne a chance. I hope you will be able to visit a few other places in Oz as a tourist, since you have come all the way to the Southern Hemisphere.
I guess you go where the seals are for work, so probably not Cairns. Lol.
That did make sense :) Having lived in the US too, I feel like there are many states - particularly in the South - much like Tasmania: if you don't like the way they do things, they'd rather you left, than that they'd consider changing. I don't know for sure, though - that's just the impression that I got.
You are stereotyping a whole State now...That's wrong
@@rodneymcgiveron I'm Tasmanian and he's right. Although I personally don't see it as a bad thing. It's ignorant to move to another state and then immediately start complaining about how bad it is and start trying to change things. If you weren't born here, then keep your mouth shut. We don't want mainlanders telling us how to run things. They've already screwed up their cities and we don't want the same thing happening down here.
I think its ok not to like a city, the vibe or the people. I think those that live in the city you didnt enjoy, for whatever reason, would feel insulted somewhat and that is a natural reaction. In the end its about your preference. Ive lived in Melbourne, Australia my entire life, and visited countries all around the world. Each has its own vibe, things I liked or disliked. but as a visitor its slightly different. Its no different between the major cities in Australia. I dont like Melbourne and have plans to move to Queensland. Ashleigh you have absolutely nothing to apologise for! Love watching your vlogs and adventures, and Luna 😊
One of the negatives about being an international or interstate student, is that most folk genuinely assume (probably correctly in most cases) that you'll be gone as soon as you finish your studies. That influences a lot of attitudes.
The "if you don't like it, why don't you leave" mindset exists everywhere, whether obvious or lurking under the surface, but mostly it's not meant to be a criticism. A lot of times it's just people noticing that you will indeed be happier somewhere else.
It makes a big difference if you have family in Tas. Also students often share house to keep cost down. May not have a car either. I boarded and made life long friends and when I decided to stay moving Launceston to Hobart. I wish I bought a small yacht. I didn't enjoy Launceston in the late eighties, but enjoyed the North East and coast line at Eddystone Point. Hobart was nice but I didn't enjoy the inland rural areas. Some great bands and music.
Students are not going to venture to the South West or West Coast wilderness for Bush walks, it is sometimes intimidating and lonely. You need to be people in a walking club. They need good cultural and ethnic connections to stave off home sickness.
Study is okay but the State lacks vision to understand establishing hospitality and recreational foundation that requires no cost, bike paths and rail trails.
I lived in 5 contrys israel, new york, London, wellington new zealand and here in Melbourne and I feel Melbourne is home for me
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You have a little bit of Australia accent coming out here and there. Interesting video. Definitely dont feel that people are that way in Sydney.
Agree with attitudes 'leave if u don't like it' and lack of job opportunities is a big problem on the island and tons of nepotism, as my parents were migrants I never felt like I fitted in not having family around and an eastern european surname. I was born in Tas, left at 25 and have lived in Victoria for 25 years...lov it and will eventually move to NSW or QLD. Tasmanians can't take criticism , don't like change and can be judgy, probably not being used to different cultures and isolation I guess. Happy I moved and great to hear you are loving and thriving in Melbourne.
I think your opinions are absolutely normal stay in Melbourne it's a imelting pot of different people no such thing as a typical Aussie just get on a Melbourne train it's like going on a world tour absolutely love it keep being yourself it's good to see
I Support your views here on living where best helps you thrive. And enjoyed watching your videos. Thank you 🎉
Hi Ashley how are you happy Friday night to you and I enjoy your channel and you are amazing supporter
thank you!!
@@coffeeenut your welcome
You lived in hobart not in Tasmania there is more than that
What were your opinions and views that you were mentioning?
Google Tasmania crime statistics and you will see Tassie has a relatively LOW crime rate compared to the rest of Oz. Google Melbourne crime rate. It's quite appalling, people complain about the crime yet vote the same people in every election. It's insane. You don't need to be a statistic expert to see the difference.
Also Melbourne is a woke city. Full of woke people and woke ideas that lack common sense and are over taken by feelings and emotions. If you like these things, then Melbourne is for you.
May be a sight generalization. Not all Tasmanian are small minded.
Melbourne, massive multi cultural interesting dynamic population, ethic diversity. The spread of suburbs is so vast. I love the live music scene, listening to 3RRR or 3PBS. Great walking up High Street, Preston, Coburg, Thornbury. Love eating out so many cultures and countries you can experience their hospitality and food..
Then the Eastern suburbs and again south eastern suburbs are different. West suburbs and Geelong different character, people.
Inner suburbs all have great diversity and interstate. The tram and railway network. The roar of the crowd at the MCG.
Hi Ashleigh, thanks for the honest video 😊. I do realise that some places may not be for everyone. I come from a city in India where there is limited opportunities, and the main industry being higher education institutions. There’s only 2 cousins of mine left there, and the majority of my former classmates have left the town as well
Coming from South Korea & Japan, Melbourne struck me as flat, dirty, weirdly smug, & a pale imitation of what they think is Italy. Or France. I’m not sure.
Tasmania ? Hobart & its central & rural areas ? Extraordinarily beautiful ! The best part of that country, easily. I’d love to have had the opportunity to live there ! To compare with home, Hobart struck me as a ‘Kyoto’. Melbourne ? A ‘Busan’ or ‘Osaka’. Or Kawasaki, or something like an Adachi-Ku.
Some cities have to be the eaner, the dirty industrial sections. Melbourne contribute massively to Gross Domestic Product, no where near what it use to.But cities are the people not the post card 1 picture. It's not always pretty but necessary. Did you drive up the river to Derwent Park and visit the zinc works or Bell Bay smelter?
Hi I’m from Tasmania, and live here tassie is so behind in marketing health education and venues expeditiously if you have a disability. Having said that tassie is a beautiful place aesthetically pleasing and yes Tassie is vey biased
Ah Tassie. I left there around 1990. Clearly it hasn't changed. Melbourne is much better, as you know. It's been a happy home for me for almost 30 years.
Interesting thoughts, thanks for sharing. I had a different experience regarding friendliness - perhaps its maybe because you sound more foreign than I? I did a round the island 3 week holiday where I was approached in nearly every town, someone saying hello etc. I had chats with people of all ages and ethnicities. I was asking people in each town what their life was like, do they enjoy their life, and that i was thinking of moving etc. had some really neat chats. I think it was my favourite part of my trip, just how friendly everyone was that I bumped into.
Like you say - everyone can have a different experience.
How do you like Melbourne by the way ? Im looking at moving from New Zealand to either Tas or Melbourne.
Interesting to hear about the job opportunities, i suppose it comes down to past perspectives. There is 7 times more jobs going in Hobart than my town here in NZ and my town is a similar population - it was one of the main appeals on moving there haha. I suppose it then comes down to your field
Anyways, looking forward to your videos from now a Melbourne based perspective! :) good on you for sharing your views regardless of what kind of responses you may get
There is Melbourne centra, inner suburbs, particularly Northcote, Thornbury. Quite upbeat. Then you have the suburbs and growing spread of outer suburbs. So wide spread each area has completely different character and lifestyle.
@@rsinclair6560 thanks for this info, I'll look into those suburbs:)
@@jreverie7018As a sample spend the week live stream 3PBS . It is a listener subscriber radio station. It will give you an idea of the dynamics of alternative to mainstream media. Same with 3RRR, which is a 'bit on the left. Melbourne is multi cultural and I did not think I would miss this when I lived in Tas1987 -1997.
You might have experienced friendly people in Tasmania because you were simply there as a tourist. We love tourist dollars being spent here. Tourism is a major part of our economy. However, once you move here, it's a very different story. No matter how long you live here, you will always be seen as an outsider. Even if you manage to conceal your kiwi accent over time, as soon as you tell someone that you weren't born here, the mood will change instantly. This isn't the case with all Tasmanians, but it is the case with a larger enough percentage of the population for it to be uncomfortable.
Hi Ashleigh.
It’s sad that you didn’t find your crew in Tas.
That’s all you need is a small group of friends that you can rely on.
Tassie is just plain boring and sooooo behind the times.
Welcome to Melbourne... enjoy your time here
You might think so.. ....lots of others don't agree...
I can completely understand your comments. I moved from the Northern Beaches of Sydney 3.5 years ago. I generally don't say I'm from the mainland as I feel I will be judged. However, moving to Hobart has been the best decision we've made as a family. I have 2 young kids who have made great friends and have bought a beautiful home without the enormous mortgage of other states. The people are quirky, simple, and rough around the edges at times, but I've found them to be more authentic, giving and always up for a chat. Tasmania truly is a special place.
You made some really great points. Thank you for the honesty. You were traumied by a small isolated place. And that’s okay. You’ve learned you’re a bigger city person. TAS gets to stay TAS (AS THEY WANT!) and you get to MELB now.
i appreciate that! thank you
Wait until you ask a Melburnian about Sydney
This is the difference: If say, you say to someone from Melbourne or Victoria or Syndey or NSW, you don't like it. They just say, fair enough, no worries, let's have a coffee or find a cool place to eat and doesn't bother them. However say that to a Tasmanian ...well some might take it a bit personally and go quiet. But overall the friends I made and bush walks were great years ago.
Thanks for saying these things Ash, as a "true" Tasmanian who was born there and lived my whole life there... I know this video could have easily been a lot longer. My whole life in Tas I always felt there was something wrong with me as I was always pushed down and felt that my opinions weren't valid. Was only later in life I traveled internationally and realised the rest of the world wasn't like Tas. I married an American who moved to Tas and gave it our best but have now been in Queensland for over a year and just thinking of visiting gives me so much anxiety...Tasmanians have to realise this is not normal. Thank you for sharing 😊
Lol I'm 63 years old was born and grew up in Tasmania and let me tell you this attitude of if you don't like it leave, was alive and well back in the 70's I left when I was 17, I love going back for holidays but would never live there again. Every state has 5hare quirks as I have now lived in 5 of them but Tassy would have to be the only one I would double think before letting them know I thought their any thing wasn't up to par lol 😂 welcome to qld ❤
Australia isn't a island per say it's more a country then anything. Js that's all
You should have chosen Perth, the best city in Australia.
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😂😂 I love your sense of humour. That was hilarious.
Tell 'im 'e's dreamin'.
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@@WiFiWombat dam straight, even the rest of Australia doesn't want to be associated with crackhead central. (Perth). Cheers 😉😁🤘🤘
I agree with you.
As an Australian who has lived in Victoria and NSW I think Tasmanians have serious issues with their attitude to ‘outsiders’. The health system is so bad that there are criminal cases against leaders in the health sector and negligence and failure is rife. That’s not to say there aren’t good medical professionals here (my GP is excellent) however, objectively the health system is failing and that is tragic for Tasmanians. Also, Australians are free to move around Australia, live where we like but Tasmanians seem to think they ‘own’ Tasmania, which they don’t. It’s still part of Australia. There are complex social and cultural problems here.
You may like to pod cast the Tasmanian Legislative Council debate and question time. It makes me cringe sometimes. Also with small rural areas, they vote for an independent who usually considers their business or investment and that local thinking effects the content of draughting of introduced State Acts which effect all Tasmanians or big business has the clout. Example when Labor tried to reduce, remove or take the monopoly off one family owned company who owned the poker machines, they played the media game of loss of jobs, not that it is demolishing communities wellbeing and the money leaves the State.
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Tasmania may be a part of Australia, but we certainly identify as Tasmanian first and Australian second. If we had the economic means to secede from Australia, we would do it in a heartbeat. I've visited the mainland a few times and have felt like an outsider there as well. Almost like I was in a different country.
@@SanctusPaulus1962 it will never be independent. Firstly, with 50% functional literacy the people are ill equipped to run an independent state. It would be an impossibly complex process and as the foundation services are already failing, it’s unrealistic.
@@georgianasstudio I know it's unrealistic, that's why I said "if"
There is a reason the Tasmanian population is stable despite the birth rate being high
so true 🤣
I grew up in Tasmania and I endorse this video. I didn't experience the healthcare or crime issues, but otherwise I agree with this. Also its not just "you weren't born here, shut up" it is also "you dared to move away at some point, shut up". Visiting is nice, but I never would live there again.
that’s so interesting and i’m so sorry you feel that! i didn’t realize people felt that if you moved away
@@coffeeenut it's so juvenile. Tas people commenting "this is your brain on Melbourne" on Facebook pics of mine etc. when I go back now there is a real assumption that I think I am better or something. It's so weird
this makes me so angry. so gross
@@coffeeenut yeah. I am sure you understand. It's not everyone, but the ones that are bad really amplify their voices. Your video resonated with me.
I have a good time when I go back, but the constant whinging about tourists (who keep the place alive) reminds me of being in Barcelona.
I am glad we have both found Melbourne. It's a great place.
Whine whine whine , did you ever stop to think that you are the issue. I'm tipping, you would complain no matter where you live. 😂
It sounds like she would rather Tasmania (and the world) would change to suit her.
Have you tuned into 3pbs 106.7 radio yet?
My parents went to Tasmania for thier honeymoon in 1956, I wonder what it was like then.😊
great to visit! just not for me to live
I personally think it is your bad attitude that caused u to not fit in well in beautiful Tasmania !
No I don't agree. It can be difficult for new and tertiary students from interstate and overseas.. I had an advantage having some money and car. Back in the late 1980's I bush walked and explored the north east of Tas. I made some great friends and made welcome, quite overwhelming overwhelming hospitality. Some had their guard up initially but this was before the world wide web or mobile phones. Some peole in Launceston had been once to Hobart. The media fuel alot of community division because it keeps them in business. The political scene is a combination of the original free settlers who were granted vast land grants by the British Government, hence your lion on the flag etc, which by marriage try to keep within the Tas-aristocracy -farmoccracy?? The Government like many but more so Tasmania will make decisions to keep their position rather than long term economic and social benefits to the community. They are still fighting over constructing a railtrail that should start at Invermay Uni precinct and go all the way to Scottsdale 20 years since the last train yet Victoria introduced railtrails to Australia 34 years ago, helping to boost rural economies and community well being. A great way for people to stop and talk along a ling narrow recreational park...not in Tas.
Just go girl,lll
You will not be missed
this is rude
@@coffeeenut sorry
uh tassie, hated by the mainlanders & kiwis alike!
Patently not true
@@rsinclair6560 What nonsense. It's no different to the rest of the country.
Slowbart is where you go to retire
Ha Ha Ha 😂 🤣 😅 I am retired. But I am not going to Tasmania. I now live in a small country town in NSW. I love this place and I grew up in a large city. But this suits me fine. But not going to Tas.
@@GaryNoone-jz3mq my point is, Tas is a like a small country town, so essentially you've already moved to Tas😂
and live your best life! I can enjoy a weekend in Melbourne but I breathe a sigh of relief when I land back in Hobart.
@@carokat1111That is because Hobart is your home. People in Melbourne and there is a vast spread out 4.5million population distributed through many varying suburbs with ethnic, multicultural diversity, music, food, traditions. That is their home. I lived in Launceston, Ballarat, Hobart and started 23 years in Melbourne. I love the Derwent River, Bellerive Marana pizza with scallops, Eddystone and Waterhouse Point but I love the diversity of people, the live music, 3PBS radio, trams, trains and cafes, bars, Geelong, Port Phillip Bay too. It is my home town Melbourne. It is about the people not the geographics. But Tasmanian people need to challenge the elite unseen squattocracy and big business that control the population. You need outside experience and knowledge to improve social inequalities.
@@rsinclair6560 It's the geographics for me. I've lived in three big cities and I hate it. I love the quiet and beauty of Hobart, the wallabies in my garden, the cafes and community so close by. I feel claustrophobic in a major city. Tasmania isn't perfect by any means but it allows me to have a really high quality of life and get in to nature very quickly. I cherish that.
The best thing about Tasmania is the departure lounge at the airport.
oh.........what a pathetic comment..what wit you have ,
Tasmania is for retirees - mostly ! I've never visited our island paradise, and never knew the inhabitants were so island proud. Saying that I am not surprised that you came across fiercely protective Taswegians. Did you find any two headed ones ??😂😂
I think there is some fear in Tasmania and vulnerability. They often don't want to compare what they don't understand as assets that may be in their State but actually belong to all Australians. I have retired Tasmanians or retirees move their and say we don't want more tourist or people to move here. Then as the young leave to find jobs, I say, who is going to look after you in the hospital, or nursing home or age care facility? Who is going to keep the Infrastructure going? They don't think of this. When you read Launceston's economic growth strategies, they are repedtive, written by the insiders saying, 'look if we provide XYZ' people and tertiary will come and study but they completely no not understand that recreational , cultural and community foundations must be established so that multicultural folk can find a inclusive, compassionate local community and there own people from similar countries. Could this be changed ? Yes but they need input from people from elsewhere to provide feedback like you have wriiten nd listen and action. Not , 'oh well if you don't like it go'.
I am not sure it benifits the retirees? They soon realise that they don't see their kids or grandchildren on a frequent basis. Cannot get in the car and visit other weekend. Then when the educated leave or trained young people go, they struggle to find people to look after folk in hospitals or who will look after you in aged care? Who will manage the Infrastructure? Then serious health issues occur with no specialist yo have to go and stay in Melbourne or treatment.
Great place to study, time of my life but when study finished got the hell outa there, spent the last 20 years working overseas! Melbourne is a great choice, well done for getting outa Hobart you’ll never look back!!