Same, I still think distance should be rewarded on some holes and all that but the tricky greens really test a players putter touch and I think that’s just as important to the game and would be entertaining to watch as well, who doesn’t love obstructed highlight putts and throw ins?
Its a score separator for sure but with how steep that green is theres a lot of randomness that comes in to play. You could land a putter exactly how you want and it could bounce up and roll down the hill into the ob or throw a bad show that lands on angle and get lucky and have it stick
@@MrKonkerable598 More random than a wind gust or a chain out? I would argue it gives an advantage to throwers who toss weirdly soft plastic that is extremely unlikely to roll. Other than that, it’s fair game. And if you think back to the video, I guarantee you will remember beautiful sceneries, long shots, and that green. It’s a staple and should remain.
Fair points, especially for backhand hyzer approach. I am, however, struggling to see why you could not just throw a forehand approach and match the angle on hyzer and have it land just in front and left of the basket and let it slide in, or simply stick with the slightly longer grass. It could also stand up in the same way you describe, but with correct speed control, it should stick the vast majority of time, making it a touch shot that pros should be able to execute.
Completely disagree. Yes it's a score separator, but the separation is driven from randomness not skill. That's not the kind of score separation anyone wants. Nobody, even the pros, is good enough to avoid rolling away on that green reliably. Even a layup from 50 feet could roll away randomly if the disc happened to catch an edge on a pinecone or a a hole in the ground or a weird gust of wind gets under the disc or something like that. If they want to bring a rollaway risk into play I'm fine with that, but they should bring it into play by making you choose to either play short or throw up the hill. For example, put the basket on top where it's flat so players could decide to be aggressive from distance and risk landing on the hill and rolling away or playing short and safe.
My cash stache pathfinder is my new favorite disc lol, Love the vids. On another note can we get some old style fpv video's where you just go through courses? Those were so fun to watch.
I have like 70 on a hard drive and might start posting some to banana frolf over the offseason! Likely won't film many if any more but I have a good backlog just waiting to be edited a bit!
I love the prism envy (I bag 2) but I got to say, if you want a very torque resistant and reliable 9 speed, the prism tesla is amazing. My arm is considerably big but I can't even turn the prism tesla over on max power. Love the content! Keep it going.
I've been in a similar journey to you in that I am working on throwing a lot recently. But for me I believe I'm less focused on putting now. You might take a minute to think if something similar is happening to you. You're such a great putter that it's weird to see you miss so many in the way you do. Regardless, I hope you did well in the tournament, and that you enjoyed the experience on and off the course. 🙂
definitely! Was a SUPER weird day for me, had to reset the next night and was able to putt well the final day of the tourney! some rounds you just don't have it lol
@@BodanzaDiscGolf sometimes the body just does weird stuff and there's nothing you can do about it. I've won putting competitions, gone against MPO players and holding my own. Then I play a casual round or a tournament and miss a couple 15-20' putts despite going through a full routine and being fully focused. 🤣
Another great video! Would you mind telling us why you teed off from next to most of the pads? Was this mentioned as something that might be sorted by worlds?
I think it will be, this is still a temp layout at this golf course and they wanted to run a bigger tournament before worlds to finalize things, so they likely didn't want to install nice teepads just to have to move some. So it was specified with paint on most teepads that you could tee off beside them for this event. I hope that's not the case for worlds!
You're dealing with a common problem when it comes to putting, and that is subconsciously you're afraid to drill it in there because you're afraid that if you miss the basket you're going to be further away from where you were putting from. Do this, at the practice basket start putting from close, I mean like five feet close, do about five or six putts all around the basket, once you've made all them step back a few feet and repeat. Then once you get to circle one or further, whenever you miss or airball, putt from where you missed from, that way you'll know that you can make the comeback putt. Doing this will keep you from being hesitant on your putts, and then you can just drill them in because you'll know you can make the come backer. This will fix your putting problems.
I think the course doesn’t need to be tweaked just more defined ob for the camera but everything else about this course is amazing it has Ton of score separation and I love that this is gonna be worlds not just an a tier so the best in the world should be able to come to this course and play golf knowing there are really hard greens and it punishes you for bad throws. I know that’s weird in todays game but if you just throw and not care about where you land then you won’t score well on this course
Depending on position, couldn’t you throw a floaty soft flex at that green so it sits down easy or would that also roll like hell? One of my favorite shots for hills is that soft flex so the disc lands pretty flat with minimal ground play.
it's tough because it COULD, and I know the final putt was only on screen for a sec, but if you look at the green there's no consistent ground on it. If one part was rocky and one was lush so you knew you had to land it there to get consistent action, that'd be great, but the rockiness combined with the grade and tight ob makes it play a little flukey as it is right now
@@BodanzaDiscGolf dang. Maybe they’ll load some wood chips around it for the actual event, but even then it’s not like you can practice that until they did. Better break out that super floppy rubber disc you hate. 😂
You're forgetting there is a GOOD chance they elevate a lot of those shorter par 3's to up the difficulty. Then it's going to play 3-4 strokes harder in general.
that would definitely make it more interesting! I'd say that'd make it like 1-2 strokes harder max, so still some work to be done, but that's def something I didn't consider!
Fertilize the tree?... That.. doesnt seem very kosher O_o However, the green on hole 14 is great. Should be smoother, in a perfect world, but the green itself, thumbs up. Takes superb angle control to have it stick, and a miss there is heavily penalized. There shouldnt be more than two such greens on a 18 hole stretch, but that type of green is really a good thing imo. Spiking something into the hillside is not always the best answer, matching the hills angle is a better option at times. And the tee signs (not sure what its called in english, not the sign of the hole itself, but the smaller ones to show where you play from on the tee) on the hole after are super easy to remove. Golf courses change the tee placement a few times each week.
definitely like the green concept but it's too rocky to have something stick consistently even if you match the grade of the hill well, because the hill is rocks and not really even a consistent grade. If they got in there and tilled it out it'd be an awesome hole!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf my thoughts exactly. And I guess the video seldom is "true to reality". Quite often it looks better than reality is. Hills looks less steep, uneven surface looks decent when in reality it probably is quite bad. But, as a concept, it's great. I love courses that punishes you. You might get an awful score, but at least the course itself was great fun to play :P
TD’s need to stop letting people tee-off from the side of the tees in perfect conditions. The tees are there for a reason… it erodes the teeing area and ends up making the pad sag prematurely
Rules question. I saw this here and I notice pros did this sometimes. You never even stepped on the tee-pad a couple of times. I’ve also seen the pros run across it and step off (i could be off here.). When is this allowed and not allowed?
The rule is your supporting point(s) must be on the tee when you release the disc. Before and after that you can be on or off the tee, as long as you release with your supporting points/feet on the tee.
Many courses specifically allow you to tee off from a designated area beside the tee pad, because sometimes the pros prefer the footing on the natural surface.
yeah on this course and some others, the teeing area is stretched by rule of the TD. Since this was a temp course, they allowed that on most holes denoted by paint, I'd hope this changes with permanent pads for worlds, but with a non-finalized layout it was probably better to do it this way for this tournament
If big tournaments are just going to be held on converted golf courses, why can't they be somewhere interesting? No one but the most hardcore disc golf fan can be lured to Lynchburg, Emporia, etc.
If you paused every time you saw a deer on my local course, you would never finish. If you were to replace squirrels in your city with deer, that is what we have to deal with.
@BodanzaDiscGolf if you include the practice I do in my backyard, I have hit 3 deer since I started playing this past August....None on purpose in case we got some PETA fans on here. :) Deer like to sleep in my backyard. It is nothing to see 7 or 8 just hanging out. I will throw putters, and they walk towards and smell your discs. I live a 20 min walk from uptown (they call downtown uptown here), it is an urban area along a river.
I think gimmicky is the wrong word, it is tough sure but it’s not like they did it just to spite players, it’s touchy, just use your forehand zone and it will land flat and scoot towards the basket!
not the case here, I say gimmicky not beacuse of the grade necessarily but the rockiness. no matter what you throw into that green there's no place to land it that you know for certain what will happen because no square foot area of it is consistently graded
No way this course is better than the worlds bid from Finland. Luckily the PDGA took a page out of FIFAs playbook and are rewarding themselves with "worlds", or should we call it the North American Championship?
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I think that green is a great score separator and pros should have to deal with tricky greens that involve more obstacles and OB
Same, I still think distance should be rewarded on some holes and all that but the tricky greens really test a players putter touch and I think that’s just as important to the game and would be entertaining to watch as well, who doesn’t love obstructed highlight putts and throw ins?
Its a score separator for sure but with how steep that green is theres a lot of randomness that comes in to play. You could land a putter exactly how you want and it could bounce up and roll down the hill into the ob or throw a bad show that lands on angle and get lucky and have it stick
@@MrKonkerable598 More random than a wind gust or a chain out? I would argue it gives an advantage to throwers who toss weirdly soft plastic that is extremely unlikely to roll. Other than that, it’s fair game. And if you think back to the video, I guarantee you will remember beautiful sceneries, long shots, and that green. It’s a staple and should remain.
Fair points, especially for backhand hyzer approach. I am, however, struggling to see why you could not just throw a forehand approach and match the angle on hyzer and have it land just in front and left of the basket and let it slide in, or simply stick with the slightly longer grass. It could also stand up in the same way you describe, but with correct speed control, it should stick the vast majority of time, making it a touch shot that pros should be able to execute.
Completely disagree. Yes it's a score separator, but the separation is driven from randomness not skill. That's not the kind of score separation anyone wants. Nobody, even the pros, is good enough to avoid rolling away on that green reliably. Even a layup from 50 feet could roll away randomly if the disc happened to catch an edge on a pinecone or a a hole in the ground or a weird gust of wind gets under the disc or something like that.
If they want to bring a rollaway risk into play I'm fine with that, but they should bring it into play by making you choose to either play short or throw up the hill. For example, put the basket on top where it's flat so players could decide to be aggressive from distance and risk landing on the hill and rolling away or playing short and safe.
My cash stache pathfinder is my new favorite disc lol, Love the vids.
On another note can we get some old style fpv video's where you just go through courses? Those were so fun to watch.
I have like 70 on a hard drive and might start posting some to banana frolf over the offseason! Likely won't film many if any more but I have a good backlog just waiting to be edited a bit!
Beautiful course! Thanks for the great footage!
I love the prism envy (I bag 2) but I got to say, if you want a very torque resistant and reliable 9 speed, the prism tesla is amazing. My arm is considerably big but I can't even turn the prism tesla over on max power. Love the content! Keep it going.
Great job speeding up your videos. Good luck bro!
I've been in a similar journey to you in that I am working on throwing a lot recently. But for me I believe I'm less focused on putting now. You might take a minute to think if something similar is happening to you. You're such a great putter that it's weird to see you miss so many in the way you do. Regardless, I hope you did well in the tournament, and that you enjoyed the experience on and off the course. 🙂
definitely! Was a SUPER weird day for me, had to reset the next night and was able to putt well the final day of the tourney! some rounds you just don't have it lol
@@BodanzaDiscGolf sometimes the body just does weird stuff and there's nothing you can do about it. I've won putting competitions, gone against MPO players and holding my own. Then I play a casual round or a tournament and miss a couple 15-20' putts despite going through a full routine and being fully focused. 🤣
look at how you drilled the putt on 12 it went in with confidence
This is where the fun begins!
Bet a tombstone would stick on that green perfectly fine
Another great video! Would you mind telling us why you teed off from next to most of the pads? Was this mentioned as something that might be sorted by worlds?
I think it will be, this is still a temp layout at this golf course and they wanted to run a bigger tournament before worlds to finalize things, so they likely didn't want to install nice teepads just to have to move some. So it was specified with paint on most teepads that you could tee off beside them for this event. I hope that's not the case for worlds!
Another great video!
Appreciate the shoutout🤘🏻
I agree, the basket for 14 needs to move. Other than that, I really like the course from what I can see in videos.
100% me too, I really liked it, just could see some -12 plus out there, but I think it's close to the world's iteration.
You're dealing with a common problem when it comes to putting, and that is subconsciously you're afraid to drill it in there because you're afraid that if you miss the basket you're going to be further away from where you were putting from. Do this, at the practice basket start putting from close, I mean like five feet close, do about five or six putts all around the basket, once you've made all them step back a few feet and repeat. Then once you get to circle one or further, whenever you miss or airball, putt from where you missed from, that way you'll know that you can make the comeback putt. Doing this will keep you from being hesitant on your putts, and then you can just drill them in because you'll know you can make the come backer. This will fix your putting problems.
I think the course doesn’t need to be tweaked just more defined ob for the camera but everything else about this course is amazing it has Ton of score separation and I love that this is gonna be worlds not just an a tier so the best in the world should be able to come to this course and play golf knowing there are really hard greens and it punishes you for bad throws. I know that’s weird in todays game but if you just throw and not care about where you land then you won’t score well on this course
agreed! I think they do a really good job on making you throw technical shots on a golf style course
The US events need to mark OB like the Euro events do with the large 2’ tall white stakes all along the OB line
definitely would be good! likely hard to get clearance for that at a B tier hosted by a country club. Hoping for world's it's much better defined!
what zero medium putter you use on 14? Cool course. Good Luck next season man!
pure!!
Hype for this
The 'stache is immaculate.
thanks!!!
tournament jitters?
don't think so, I was just off. just one of those days!
Depending on position, couldn’t you throw a floaty soft flex at that green so it sits down easy or would that also roll like hell?
One of my favorite shots for hills is that soft flex so the disc lands pretty flat with minimal ground play.
it's tough because it COULD, and I know the final putt was only on screen for a sec, but if you look at the green there's no consistent ground on it. If one part was rocky and one was lush so you knew you had to land it there to get consistent action, that'd be great, but the rockiness combined with the grade and tight ob makes it play a little flukey as it is right now
@@BodanzaDiscGolf dang. Maybe they’ll load some wood chips around it for the actual event, but even then it’s not like you can practice that until they did. Better break out that super floppy rubber disc you hate. 😂
haha i'd rather just hope and pray lolol. take my triple bogey@@jeffcronch5234
You're forgetting there is a GOOD chance they elevate a lot of those shorter par 3's to up the difficulty. Then it's going to play 3-4 strokes harder in general.
that would definitely make it more interesting! I'd say that'd make it like 1-2 strokes harder max, so still some work to be done, but that's def something I didn't consider!
That green needs a terrace. Shots that hit within 10-15 feet should not roll. If you miss I’m fine with roll aways
Fertilize the tree?... That.. doesnt seem very kosher O_o
However, the green on hole 14 is great. Should be smoother, in a perfect world, but the green itself, thumbs up. Takes superb angle control to have it stick, and a miss there is heavily penalized. There shouldnt be more than two such greens on a 18 hole stretch, but that type of green is really a good thing imo. Spiking something into the hillside is not always the best answer, matching the hills angle is a better option at times.
And the tee signs (not sure what its called in english, not the sign of the hole itself, but the smaller ones to show where you play from on the tee) on the hole after are super easy to remove. Golf courses change the tee placement a few times each week.
definitely like the green concept but it's too rocky to have something stick consistently even if you match the grade of the hill well, because the hill is rocks and not really even a consistent grade. If they got in there and tilled it out it'd be an awesome hole!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf my thoughts exactly. And I guess the video seldom is "true to reality". Quite often it looks better than reality is. Hills looks less steep, uneven surface looks decent when in reality it probably is quite bad.
But, as a concept, it's great. I love courses that punishes you. You might get an awful score, but at least the course itself was great fun to play :P
TD’s need to stop letting people tee-off from the side of the tees in perfect conditions. The tees are there for a reason… it erodes the teeing area and ends up making the pad sag prematurely
for sure at permanent courses, these are temp and some of the pads were weirdly lumpy lol
Rules question. I saw this here and I notice pros did this sometimes. You never even stepped on the tee-pad a couple of times. I’ve also seen the pros run across it and step off (i could be off here.). When is this allowed and not allowed?
The rule is your supporting point(s) must be on the tee when you release the disc. Before and after that you can be on or off the tee, as long as you release with your supporting points/feet on the tee.
Then how is he able to not use the tee at all? Am I missing something?
Many courses specifically allow you to tee off from a designated area beside the tee pad, because sometimes the pros prefer the footing on the natural surface.
@@lesfritzemeier8900 me too!
yeah on this course and some others, the teeing area is stretched by rule of the TD. Since this was a temp course, they allowed that on most holes denoted by paint, I'd hope this changes with permanent pads for worlds, but with a non-finalized layout it was probably better to do it this way for this tournament
If big tournaments are just going to be held on converted golf courses, why can't they be somewhere interesting? No one but the most hardcore disc golf fan can be lured to Lynchburg, Emporia, etc.
honestly, I want to go to tourneys that my wife wants to come to the area too lol
Hype for this release? Can’t say I wasn’t waiting after Friday’s!
thanks!
How are you going to fertilize that tree? 😅
should've specified. go to garden store, buy fertilizer, fertilize the tree as a thank you. maybe shouldn't use that turn of phrase again lolol
Damn. The putting really took you out of it early. Nothing you can’t learn from and improve on going forward!
100%
Saw Jonah on the card he rips
yeah he was awesome!
Really enjoying this series. Straight and to the point commentary, but just enough time so it doesn't feel rushed. Much appreciated. ☕
thank you!
If you paused every time you saw a deer on my local course, you would never finish.
If you were to replace squirrels in your city with deer, that is what we have to deal with.
oh dang! that's pretty, how many you hit every year ;)?
@BodanzaDiscGolf if you include the practice I do in my backyard, I have hit 3 deer since I started playing this past August....None on purpose in case we got some PETA fans on here. :)
Deer like to sleep in my backyard. It is nothing to see 7 or 8 just hanging out. I will throw putters, and they walk towards and smell your discs.
I live a 20 min walk from uptown (they call downtown uptown here), it is an urban area along a river.
haha that's honestly hysterical!@@seansimpson8758
I think gimmicky is the wrong word, it is tough sure but it’s not like they did it just to spite players, it’s touchy, just use your forehand zone and it will land flat and scoot towards the basket!
not the case here, I say gimmicky not beacuse of the grade necessarily but the rockiness. no matter what you throw into that green there's no place to land it that you know for certain what will happen because no square foot area of it is consistently graded
No way this course is better than the worlds bid from Finland. Luckily the PDGA took a page out of FIFAs playbook and are rewarding themselves with "worlds", or should we call it the North American Championship?