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hey brother, at 53 minutes you start explaining that Satan claims the dominion and place of Adam and right to be the representative of the human family in heaven. can you clarify all that please?
Hi Brother Nadar. In your Argument with Archangel Michael, there's a misunderstanding. I would like us to discuss further on this matter maybe you might be able to clarify it further. The first thing that we need to define is: How did God reveal himself in many ways in the past before He sent His Son according to Hebrews, secondly Who was the Angel of the LOARD and what does it mean to be an Angel of the LORD? and Thirdly, was Jesus before incarnation an ANGEL (ARCH) and What is an ANGEL? According to Rank of Angels such as Cherub, Seraphims, and Angels, what is your take on order heavenly beings? I will appreciate it if you can assist me with these questions.
This ministry preaches the true gospel. The truths in the Bible are so plain and consistent I don’t know how more people don’t see these truths. God bless you Bro Nadar
Excellent study, if not the best study I've seen on the Identity of Michael the Archangel. Thankyou brother. May God continue to bless you and your family.
Wow! What a powerful message regarding Michael the Arch Angel! There were so many takeaways in this presentation. I had always read in Job how Satan came to present himself in heaven as the prince of this world but never knew until today that he was cast out a second time permanently. You made it very clear! I also learned that it was not until after Christ’s ascension that war ensued again then Satan knew he had a short time to do his dirt and destroy all faith and hope in Gods salvation! This information is so vitally important for us to know and I hope and pray its being shared with others! Thank you Pastor!
Michael is called the great prince [Dan 10:20-21]. Jesus is also known as the prince. [Rev 1:5; Acts 3:14-15; Is 9:6]. *WHO IS THIS MICHAEL WHO IS CALLED THE ARCHANGEL? - SECTION 1 OF 2* We read, “At that time *Michael shall stand up,* The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; *And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation,* Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.” Daniel 12:1. What will happen during this end-time prophecy? And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation. *Who shall stand up?* [Michael] and Who is Michael? What does Michael mean? *"The one who is like God".* [Michael is mentioned three times in the Book of Daniel - 12:1; 10:13; 10:21] So, the Bible reveals that Michael is not just some guardian who is placed over the church to protect it. But rather, He is the great prince which stands up for God's people. What other great prince is there but Jesus Himself. *Revelation 12:7-9* - *Satan Thrown Out of Heaven.* “And war broke out in heaven: *Michael and his angels fought with the dragon;* and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” *Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel,* in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Here we learn that *Michael is called the Archangel. Angel means messenger.* The primary first messenger-Archangel. “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven *with a shout, with the voice of an archangel,* and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.” 1 Thessalonians 4:16. *Who is the resurrection and the life?* - *“Jesus said to her, 'I am the resurrection and the life….”* John 11:25. *This is no ordinary Angel who is contending for our salvation.* - *He* is the One who overthrows Satan. God did not give that work to just any angel. But was given to the first Messenger, Michael the Archangel. verse 16 Says, For the Lord Himself - *WHO?* "the Lord Himself" will descend from heaven - *WITH WHAT* - *with a shout, with the voice of an archangel,* and with the trumpet of God. *What happens next?* - *And the dead in Christ will rise first.* *For a good comparison, let us see what Christ said when He was on Earth.* *So, whose voice will raise the dead?* [The voice of Jesus] “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear *[Who's voice, The voice of Jesus the Son of God]* the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.” John 5:25. “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves *SHALL HEAR HIS VOICE, AND SHALL COME FORTH;* they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” John 5:25-29. There is no doubt whose voice is raising the dead - It is the voice of Jesus the Son of God, who is Michael the Archangel. [1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven WITH A SHOUT, WITH THE VOICE OF AN ARCHANGEL, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first"]. If we compare the two Bible references above [1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:25-28] *we see one of the strongest cases for supporting the idea that Michael is Jesus.* We saw that there were two possible meanings to: "the Lord Himself shall come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel's voice" 1 Thessalonians 4:16. They are: *[1]* the archangel could be shouting for Jesus; or *[2]* Jesus could be doing the shouting Himself and he is using the voice of an archangel because He is Michael the Archangel. *John 5:25 and 28 resolves the conundrum:* "the dead shall hear *THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD".* "all that are in the graves *SHALL HEAR HIS VOICE".* So, in 1 Thessalonians, it is the archangels' voice, but in John 5, it is the voice of the Son of God. *One cannot be wrong and the other right.* - *Michael the Archangel must be Jesus.* The Bible is its own expositor. *The evidence clearly reveals that it is Jesus Himself who is doing the shouting.* Now we can understand 1 Thessalonians 4:16 in light of John 5 that Michael is Jesus. What 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is really saying, is that Jesus descends from heaven shouting with the voice of the Archangel. Thus, Jesus is doing the shouting but with His own Archangel's voice. This comparison shows that the Archangel really is Jesus. In both Thessalonians and John, we see that the voice causes the resurrection of life to the righteous dead. The dead in Christ will rise when they hear His voice. Both Scriptures are describing the same event so Jesus and Michael must be the same individual. So, this Michael the Archangel is none other than who? Jesus the Son of God. *AMEN* *[Emphasis Added]* Also read, *"WHO IS THIS MICHAEL WHO IS CALLED THE ARCHANGEL? - SECTION 2 OF 2"*
*"WHO IS THIS MICHAEL WHO IS CALLED THE ARCHANGEL? - SECTION 2 OF 2"* *Daniel 2: We can now underscore stand up.* “At that time *Michael shall stand up, The great prince* who stands watch over the sons of your people; *And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation,* Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.” Daniel 12:1. *What does it mean when Jesus shall one day STAND UP?* It means that intercession for humanity is closed. Human probation is over. Let's proof this from God's word. When Christ ascended into heaven He went sitting at the right hand of the Father. Read this in Heb. 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, *sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:"* , and we know when He was sitting on the right hand of the Father He was making intercession for us - *We read this in Romans 8:34.* *So, SITTING DOWN signifies that Jesus is making intercession/mediation AND when He STANDS UP means that intercessions have come to an end,* THAT is, - no longer is He pleading or interceding for us. Probation is now closed. LET us confirm these scriptures. ‘Who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, *sat down* at the right hand of the Majesty on high.’* Hebrews 1:3. After His Crucifixion He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, He sat down [Amen] GO to Romans 8 now, “Who is He who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even *[where?]* at the right hand of God, *[What is Jesus doing?]* who also *makes intercession for us.”* Romans 8:34. *[Emphasis in brackets mine]* So, we've just learned that when He "sit up" He makes "Intercession" and when He Stands up He is no longer making intercession. So, what is the primary example in scripture that says when Christ stood up probation had closed for a particular group of people? *THE STONING OF STEPHEN.* Go to Acts chapter 7. “But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus *[DOING WHAT?]* standing *[STANDING WHERE]* at the right hand of God, 56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” Acts 7:55. When Jesus ascended to heaven He went to "sit". Hold your place in Acts 7. Let us turn to Acts 2. *Acts 2:* “This Jesus God has *raised up,* of which we are all witnesses. Therefore *being exalted to the right hand of God,* and having *received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit,* He poured out this which you now see and hear. “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit *[sit WHERE?]* at My right hand.” Acts 2:32-34. *So, when Christ ascended to heaven he sat at the right hand of God. Back to Acts 7 - So where is He standing now?* - *At the Right hand of God.* - *[Sitting interceding - Standing intercession is over]* Does it make sense? Of cause, it does. *This is what we find in Acts 7:55-60 Christ is standing at the right hand of the Father in heaven. Probation close. Question? Which prophecy from the book of DANIEL at this point in Acts 7 was closed or came to an end, when Christ Stood up? THE SEVENTY PROPHETIC WEEKS of Daniel chapter 9. [AMEN]. Probation closed!* *Question?* What did the Apostles and Stephen received before Stephen saw Christ standing at the right hand of God in heaven? Stephen received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. That means, or what must we receive before Jesus stands-up in the Heavenly sanctuary/most Holy Place and closes the work of salvation? What must we receive like the Apostles in Acts 2, like Stephen? THE LATTER RAIN - THE OUTPOURING OF HOLY SPIRIT [THE EARLY AND LATTER RAIN] . Does it make sense? What does it mean when Michael the Archangel / Christ stands up? Hold your place in Revelation and go to Daniel 12. You might never get the opportunity to go over this ground again. Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up *[what does this mean?- intercession is over],* The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; *And there shall be a time of trouble* - *[let's pause right here - when shall the time of trouble begin? after Jesus stands up after there is no more work for salvation Christ ceases the work of intercession],* - *Such as never was since there was a nation,* Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. “ [AMEN Emphasis added]. *After probation/intercession is done Jesus stands up, and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation. At that time everyone found written in the book of life shall be delivered* *WHAT MUST WE RECEIVE? THE EARLY AND LATTER RAIN. WHAT MUST FIRST BE PROCLAIMED BEFORE CHRIST STANDS UP?* - THE FINAL WARNING. WHAT IS THAT? THE THREE ANGELS' MESSAGE. DOES IT MAKE SENSE? Once the warning is proclaimed Christ stands up, probation is over, no more intercession. Where do we find this message that must be proclaimed and then Christ will stand up and ceases the work of intercession? Revelation 14, specifically the 3rd angel message 9-12. The point we must see before Christ stands up and closes the work of intercession, we just discovered like the apostles, like Stephen we must receive what? *THE OUTPOURING of the Holy Spirit.* *NOW, WHAT IS THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?* Based on Ephesians 4:30 NKJV [to seal us] “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” *What must we receive then before Christ stands up and closes the work of intercession?* We are to receive like Stephen, the outpouring of the Spirit of God. And when we receive that outpouring, it is a sign that we are obedient and are then sealed by the Holy Spirit. NOW GO TO REVELATION 7. This scripture encapsulates that thought that we must receive the seal of God before salvation closes. “After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, *having the seal *[having what?]* of the living God.* And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have *[till they have what?]* *sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”* Revelation 7:1-3 *[Emphasis added]* *1.]* So not until God's children are sealed will who stand up? Jesus/Michael the Archangel. *2.]* Based on verse 3 What must take place before the time of destruction? Sealing of God's children. *[Emphasis added]*
*INTRODUCTION - WHO IS MICHAEL* Michael is called the prince [Dan 10:20-21]. Jesus is also known as the prince: Rev 1:5; Acts 3:14-15 etc. *Michael receives worship:* Joshua 5:14. *Jesus receives worship:* Matt 2:2,11; 8:2;9:18; 15:25; 20:20; 28:9,17; Luke 24:52; Mark 5:6; Jn 9:38; Heb 1:6; Rev 5:13,14. etc,. see doc worship to sort … *Michael is:* Chief Prince Dan 10:13 : Great Prince Dan 12:1 : the Arch Angel Jude 1:9; 1 Thess. 4:16 /Resurrects the death [2nd coming] 1 Thess. 4:16 : Commander of the army of the LORD Dan 8:1; Joshua 5:13-15. : Captain of the host [angels] & receives worship Joshua 5:14 : Has angels : The only Angel contending and dispute and rebuked the devil indirectly Jude 1:9. "The "Angel" Who Appeared to Jacob. -This Angel [Hosea 12:4] appeared to Jacob in the form of a man [Gen. 32:24]. The Angel [man] blessed Jacob [verse 29], and Jacob said, "I have seen God face to face" [verse 30]. *Pivotal Remark: Angels don’t receive worship:* While we find in the book of Revelation that *WHEN JOHN WANTED TO WORSHIP THE ANGEL THAT SHOWED HIM THE VISION, THAT ANGEL DID NOT ACCEPT WORSHIP AND INSTRUCTED HIM TO WORSHIP GOD ALONE.* “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, *I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel* which shewed me these things. *Then saith he [the angel] unto me, SEE THOU DO IT NOT: for I am thy fellow servant,* and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.” Revelation 22:8-9. [cf. Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10]. In the Book of Daniel 10:13,21; 12:1, [Old Testament], Michael is named as a protector or guardian of Israel. In the Book of Revelation 12:7 [New Testament], he is portrayed as the leader of heaven's armies in the war against Satan. A very common name today yet a very old Hebrew name which can be found in Numbers 13:13. The Hebrew pronunciation is me-khah-eyl [The "kh" is pronounced hard like the "ch" in the name Bach] and is composed of three parts. *The first is the word miy [mee] H4310 meaning "who".* *The second is the ka [khah] H3588 meaning "like."* *The third is the word el [eyl] H410 literally meaning one of power or authority but commonly translated as "God".* From the Hebrew name מִיכָאֵל (Mîykâʼêl) or (Mikha'el) as above when put together these mean "Who is like God?" Greek Strongs G3413 / Hebrew H4317. Strong was first published in 1890 while the Bible was completed in the first century. Strong reportedly based his lexicons on the work of respected contemporary scholars such as Brown, Driver, and Briggs, Fürst, Gesenius, Liddell & Scott, and Thayer. *The concordance is an excellent tool but are never meant to replace the Bible, but rather it enhances and help the Bible scholar by providing index.* Greek Strong’s refers to [Gabriel] G1043 one of the angel princes or chiefs of the angels. Hebrew H1403 archangel. Scripture only uses the phrase ‘archangel’ twice. *In both instances scripture is referring to Michael and not Gabriel.* *Gabriel* Strong’s H1043 Dan 8:16; Dan 9:21; / G1043 [Origin Of Hebrew origin [H1403] ]Luke 1:19; Luke 1:26: Gabriel is referred to as Strong’s Definition an archangel. Thayers Definition "man of God" one of the angel princes or chiefs of the angels. *One important FACT is that only Michael is referred to as ‘the one like God’.* *Gabriel is never referred to as ‘the one like God’.* An archangel is an angel of high rank and is derived from Greek literally ‘chief angel’ of origin. It appears only twice in the NT in the phrase "with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God" [1 Thessalonians 4:16] and in relation to "the archangel Michael" [Jude 9]. The corresponding but different Hebrew word in the Hebrew Scripture [OT] is found in two places as in "Michael, one of the chief princes" [Dan 10:13] and in "Michael, the great prince" [Dan 12:1]. *Michael [Greek Word Μιχαήλ]* Strong’s G3413 Jude 1:9; Rev 12:7 *Strongs Definition* - Michael an archangel *Thayers Definition* Michael = "who is like God" the first of the chief princes *Origin Of Hebrew* origin [H4317] Dan 12:1; Dan 10:13, 21 -etc *Strong’s Definition* - Michael an archangel *Thayers Definition* - Michael = "who is like God" - the first of the chief princes. An extremely important point to consider is that in the complete Bible, no other being is mentioned to receive worship other than God the Father and Jesus. *The Bible is crystal clear that Michael the Angel receives worship and He [Michael] did not advise Joshua to stop worshipping Him. [See Joshua **5:13**-15].* Unlike in Revelation 22:8-9. [cf. Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10], the angel advised John not to worship him. This in and of itself tells us that Michael is a divine being. *By accepting worship, He proved Himself to be more than an angel. The “captain of the host” was more than an angel; He was, in fact, none other than Christ Himself in human form. Joshua 6 is a continuation of the narrative of chapter **5:13**-15. In chapter 6:2 He designated by the divine name Lord.*
*Various other Commentaries - Additional Information:* *John Wesley:* "Michael here is commonly supposed to mean Christ." *John Gill:* "and is no other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated Angel; who is "one", or "the first of the chief Princes"" *1599 Geneva Study Bible:* "even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of angels." *Charles Spurgeon (Baptist):* - Let the Lord Jesus Christ be for ever endeared to us, for through Him we are made to sit in heavenly places far above principalities and powers. He it is whose camp is round about them that fear Him; *He is the true Michael* whose foot is upon the dragon. All hail, Jesus! thou Angel of Jehovah’s presence, to Thee this family offers its morning vows. (Morning and Evening Daily Readings 556) *Michael will always fight;* his holy soul is vexed with sin, and will not endure it. *Jesus will always be the dragon’s foe,* and that not in a quiet sense, but actively, vigorously, with full determination to exterminate evil. *(Ibid. 673)* *Jonathan Edwards - Congregationalist:* When Lucifer rebelled and set up himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and set himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and drew away a great number of angels, *the Son of God, manifested himself as an opposite head,* and appeared graciously to dissuade and restrain by his grace the elect angels from hearkening to Lucifer’s temptation, so that they were upheld and preserved eternal destruction at this time of great danger by the free and sovereign distinguishing grace of Christ. *Herein Christ was the Saviour of the elect angels,* for thought he did not save them as he did elect men from the ruin they had already deserved, and were condemned to, and the miserable, state they were already in, yet he saved them from eternal destruction they were in great danger of, and otherwise would have fallen into with the other angels. *The elect angels joined with him, the glorious Michael, as their captain,* while the other angels hearkened to Lucifer and joined him, and then was that literally true that fulfilled afterwards figuratively. Rev xii. “When there was war in heaven : Michael and his angels fought against the dragon ; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not ; neither was there place found any more heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world ; he was case out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”- *(The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol. 2, Banner of Truth, 1979 reprint, p. 606.)* *Brown's dictionary of the Bible and Wood's Spiritual Dictionary:* Brown's dictionary of the Bible on the words MICHAEL and ANGEL says, that both these words do sometimes refer to Christ; and also affirms that Christ is the Archangel. *Lutheran E. W. Hengstenberg: Nineteenth-century Lutheran E. W. Hengstenberg said:* “The two passages in the New Testament, in which Michael is mentioned, serve to confirm the result already arrived at. That the *Michael* referred to in Rev. xii. 7 is *no other than the Logos,* has already been proved in my commentary upon that passage..” - Christology of the OT and a Commentary on the Messianic Predictions. *Thomas Scott and Thomas Haweis - Anglican:* Daniel 12 "Verse 1: *Michael* signifies, Who is like God? And this name, with the title of “the great Prince, which standeth for the children of thy people,” *most clearly points out the divine Saviour; and cannot properly be understood of a created angel."* - (Thomas Scott was an Anglican priest and is principally known for his best-selling work A Commentary On The Whole Bible, and as one of the founders of the Church Missionary Society:) *Adam M. Clarke's (1760 or 1762 - 1832) British Methodist theologian and Biblical scholar. Revelation 12 - Commentary on Michael:* Michael and his angels fought against the dragon - Michael was the man child which the woman brought forth." *Abingdon Bible Commentary:* "The idea of the heavenly being who thus comes to view as a feature in old apocalyptic tradition is the source of the conception of the heavenly Messiah-the Son of Man. . . . We have already seen that the heavenly being 'like unto a son of man' of Dan. 7 was probably identified by the author . . . with Israel's angel-prince Michael; this angelic being was later, it would seem, invested with Messianic attributes, and so became the *pre-existent heavenly Messiah."* - *Abingdon Bible Commentary, p.846.* "The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the pre-incarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the "child" and the archangel in Rev 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Daniel." - *John A. Lees, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1930, Vol. 3, page 2048* *Trinitarian Bible scholar W. E. Vine (“recognized as one of the foremost Greek scholars”) writes* “voice of the archangel” (1 Thess. 4:16) is apparently “the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ”! - *p. 64, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.* "This being 'a war in the heaven,' and waged by Michael, who is Christ (whose warfare is not like that of earthly kings), and by His messengers, is an intellectual and polemical warfare."- *J. D. Glasgow, Commentary on the Apocalypse (1872).*
Thank you for seeing me I was buried and faith was put into false names when Christiana name Michael in the same way they name Jesus the prince of Greece and Babylon spoken of in Daniel then and only then will Michael and the true body of Christ stand up . Then and only then will we be united in Christ and Michael is my human name my true name is Kell-EL my symbol is no cross and I'm not risen or ascending I will never be raised and sacrificed again . All debts paid once for all
Luke 1:19 And the ANGEL answering said unto him, I am GABRIEL, that STAND IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the MAN GABRIEL, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused TO FLY SWIFTLY [angels do that, not men], touched me about the time of the evening oblation. Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the MESSIAH THE PRINCE shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me [ one and twenty days: but, lo, MICHAEL, one [THE FIRST ONE] of the chief PRINCES, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with ME [Gabriel] in these things, but MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE. Now what "PRINCE" "holdeth with" the angel Gabriel who stands in the presence of God? MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE [Daniel 10:21] = MESSIAH THE PRINCE [Daniel 9:25 ] Reading the Bible [Daniel] in context makes it very plain that "MICHAEL your PRINCE" is the MESSIAH the PRINCE; who can ONLY be Jesus Christ. More: Jude 1:9 Yet MICHAEL the ARCHANGEL [HEAD of the angels...for Michael was not created...He was begotten/born of the Father before His incarnation], when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Why/How would an "created" angel qualify to contend "with the devil" over "the body of Moses"? 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven WITH a SHOUT, with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God [angels sent of God with a great sound of a trumpet]: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Why would the "Lord Himself" shout with any other voice than His own...THE VOICE of THE Archangel? Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, "MICHAEL and HIS angels"...angels that belong to, or are headed b,y MICHAEL. And Who could that be? Only Jesus Christ! Just like the "dragon" and "HIS angels" belong to, or are headed by, the DRAGON or Satan.
For the LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven WITH a SHOUT, *with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL,* and with the trump of God [angels sent of God with a great sound of a trumpet]: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: It says *with the voice of ARCHANGEL* It does not say something like an ARCHANGEL voice. So The Lord Jesus is an ANGEL and chief of the Angels. Col 1:15 shows he's firstborn of creation. If Jesus was God Almighty than his voice is above an ARCHANGEL voice. It would not be necessary to even mention an ARCHANGEL voice. Angels are spiritual creatures created by God after Michael (Jesus) so as Col 1:15 shows Jesus an angel was a created being (the first Angel) known as Michael.
@@stevehumphries4928 Your 'ideas' are spurious...for they are in gross contradiction to Scripture. 1. Jesus is NOT the Lord God Almighty...He is the only BEGOTTEN/Born SON OF the Lord God Almighty. Angels were NOT BORN into existence...they were created BY Christ. 2. Jesus was/is NOT a created being. ALL things were created BY Him. 3. Michael is the PRINCE...the Messiah...in harmony with Scriptural context. I'll go with Inspiration
@@garytraversy5231 Hmmm … my comment shows Jesus was a created angel … so I have no idea how you came to such a conclusion that I believe Jesus is God Almighty. I never even said such a thing close to it. Obviously, angels are all created beings, Jesus is the only-begotten firstborn of all creation by his Father. This does not mean Jesus is eternal! Col 1:15. He had a beginning as John 1:1 states, "In the *beginning,* was the Word, and the Word was with God." Jehovah God is eternal so therefore has no beginning as the Word (Jesus) had a beginning who is with God at his beginning. Concerning Jesus (also Michael) … God made him …“You made him a little lower than angels. . .” Hebrews 2:7 God Almighty could never be lower than the Angels. The comment to you shows I disagree with you when you say, and I quote … “Yet MICHAEL the ARCHANGEL [HEAD of the angels...for Michael was not created...He was begotten/born of the Father before His incarnation]”. It appears you believe Michael was not created and even is an incarnation of the Father. *You contradict yourself.* Even using Trinity term *incarnate* toward Michael being incarnate of the Father. You seem to believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel and not God Almighty but then state a Trinitarian belief toward Michael (instead of Jesus) being the incarnation of God … etc. *You contradict yourself* If you believe Jesus is not God Almighty and believe Jesus is Michael then how can you believe Jesus is not God Almighty, which it appears you don’t believe Jesus is God Almighty? *I call that one heck of a paradox.* You say "Jesus was/is NOT a created being." this is another contradiction. How can Jesus be a created being and not be a created being? Another paradox. All thing created by Jesus does not make him the creator. I created my own computer and many other things throughout my life … that does make me the creator of computers …or creator of the other things I made ... etc. John 8:28 Jesus was *taught* which shows he had to learn what the Father taught him … etc. Jesus is not even equal to his Father. Creating something does not mean you're the creator of it ... I have said nothing spurious according to the scriptures. You have implied wrongly of what I said! Please re-read if necessary. Also to clarify there are zero scriptures that imply any Angel is eternal! So I clarified that I don’t believe Jesus is God Almighty … please clarify as to what you actually believe? If my notions are correct concerning your belief ... don't bother. It remains a contradiction a paradox ... that is not allowed 2 Tim 3:16,17. If you have an actual question to clarify a scripture than feel free to ask.
@@stevehumphries4928 Sorry Steve...Read your comments again where you stated: "If Jesus was God Almighty...." I simply stated, in rebuttal to same, that Jesus was NOT God Almighty to refute your irrelevant 'argument' regarding the "voice of the Archangel". I cannot make any sense of your conflicted 'arguments' and nonsensical analogies completely devoid of Scriptural support. You are all over the map. So I'll leave you with your own private interpretations of Scripture.
Brilliant explanation of how Christ is also Jehovah. How being the Only Begotten Son of Jehovah he is the only one worthy to use His name. For Christ even tells us that he comes in the name of the Father. JOHN 5:43.
What an eye-opener regarding the second war in heaven after Christ ascended to Heaven. When you asked the question " Were there people being accused BEFORE Adam and Eve fell? None. That was the key. Some Adventist preachers have preached about this War in Heaven, about Michael being Jesus Christ but this second war in Heaven after Christ as a resurrected, glorified Man occurring is totally new. You are an instrument of God. Thank God for you.
It's Ark as in I am the ArK of the covenant I was the eternal flame before antichrist new testament and when my chosen see the light I bring salvation through the renewal of the covenant and true understanding of the cross and judgement aswell as reality. I am from the beginning so I am Aramonic and luciferin I'm the true bridge between the double minded scriptures and between the old testament and new testament. Also Angel is angles and principalitys
So enjoying this, thank you Br. Nader. There is just one thing I would like to ask: Is the Father not unique and in this only way different from His Son in that He can see the end from the beginning. "Declaring the end from the beginning"(Isa 46:10) and Mark 13:32 ‘But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. He who from all eternity has decreed the time when this day is to come, is pleased to hide it in the hidden depths of his own counsels. '
The word knoweth in the text, is properly understood to mean declareth. Jesus is all knowing as the father; because the father ordain this to be so. Blessings
@@jasondennis7940 "Concerning that day and hour *nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son,* but *only the Father.”* Matthew 24:36 “A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God *gave* him, . . .” Revelation 1:1 “. . .but just as the Father *taught* me, I speak these things. . .” John 8:28
“. . .Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I *teach is not mine,* but belongs to him who sent me.” John 7:16 So it's obvious by Jesus' own words and testimony shows he did not know the day and hour of the end of satan & mankind's rule. And he only knows what the Father *taught* him. If you have to be *taught* something then obviously he not all-knowing! And since what he *taught* was his Father and not his ... means the thing he taught came from his Father and not his teaching. And since a revelation was *given* by his Father means it did not come from him and or he could not give the revelation till it was *given* to him. So again he did not know the revelation till it was *given* to him. You do notice in the scriptures ... that what everything Jesus has was *given* to him by his Father. The simple reasoning is this means at one time he did not have it till it was given to him. *It's pretty obvious ... Jesus himself disagrees with you*
@@stevehumphries4928 Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have a different view on these verses, let me show you why: The two verses from John you quoted refer to Jesus' ministry on earth, not in heaven. They might also apply for the divine mind of the preexistent Son of God (even thought that's an interpretation), but that still does not necessarily say that Jesus lacks certain information in his divinity. It could just reveal that he acknowledges the Father as the source of his divinity. And concerning Rev 1:1: It does not give us the time when God gave Christ this revelation. From my point of view, this "revelation" doesn't consist of certain information, but of His self. For the Greek actually does not say "revelation by Jesus Christ", but "Jesus Christ's revelation". I believe God gave Jesus his own revelation when he begat him in the days of eternity past. Mat 24:36: The interpretation Jason Dennis gave is definitely within the bounds of possibility. Paul also uses the the word "to know" in the sense of "to make known" in 1 Co 2:2. If all things were created by Jesus Christ (1 Co 8:6), I don't see why there should be things about his own creation he doesn't understand or know. If he was truly begotten of the Father, I don't see why there should be knowledge or power which the Father reserved. If he really is His son, the headship of the Father to the son does not refer to his capabilities, but to his descent and relationship. For we also do not beget our children to a lower level of capabilities.
@@mattisfichte1730 Don't get me wrong I view Jesus as the Son of God, and he deserves honor and respect and obedience ... etc. But I don't view him as Almighty God ... that strictly belongs to the Father (Jehovah). The problem is teaching Jesus is God or equal to God or a Trinity of Gods is false. And God demands to worship him in spirit and truth (John 4:23, 24). False worship gives false hope! So ... I would have to disagree with your conclusions ... Jesus having to be *taught* by his Father definitely tells us he is not on the same level in age and knowledge ... that is a simple fact. The Bible tells God is eternal and it tells us Jesus has a beginning (begotten). God is not begotten and Jesus is. Nothing in scripture says anything remotely that Jesus is equal and eternal ... it's false and unscriptural. By Jesus own words he says, *"A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly instructed will be like his teacher."* - Luke 6:40. Having to be *taught* by his Father (a perfect instructor) made Jesus like his Father ... it does not make him the Father. Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as his Father. John 5:19 was an accusation by the Jews who wanted to kill him. All because Jesus said God was his Father. He never claimed to be equal. It was a ridiculous accusation since the Jews also claimed God as their Father (John 8:41). Are the Jews equal to the Father? And at John 5:19 Jesus clearly denies their accusation. John Chapter 8 Jesus calls them liars and that their Father is Satan. So their accusations were false. It makes not a bit of sense to believe these Jews' religious leaders accusations since Jesus himself called them not only liars but their Father, was Satan a liar! Your conclusion is illogical. Jesus was always the Son at his beginning. Col 1:15. Having a beginning (created by God alone) does not change where he came from ... he still comes to us from God. But there nothing in scripture to conclude that Jesus did not know something just because he was on earth. Revelation 1:1 proves you wrong ... as your own statement say's, "does not give us the *time* when God gave Christ this revelation." Since the information was *given* to him, it definitely tells us that there was a time he did not have it! And Jesus gave credit as the creator to his Father, just because he helped create things, doesn't make him the creator. Any more than me when I designed and created my own computer make me the creator of the computer. When on earth Jesus said no one has seen God at any time (John 1:18). After Jesus resurrection and at his accession back to heaven 500 plus persons saw Jesus (1 Cor 15:6). At 1 John 4:12 John still reports *no one has seen God at any time*. After his resurrection, he answers this question by his apostle, “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?”7He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his *own jurisdiction.* or as his *own power.* So the Father has his own power separate from Jesus. Which, Jesus is submissive to and follows the commandments of his Father (John 15:10; John 8:29). Revelation1:1 word for word ᾿Αποκάλυψις *Revelation* Ἰησοῦ *of Jesus* Χριστοῦ, *Christ,* ἣν *which* ἔδωκεν *gave* αὐτῷ *to him* ὁ *the* θεὸς *God* δεῖξαι to show τοῖς to the δούλοις slaves αὐτοῦ, of him,ἃ which (things) δεῖ it is binding γενέσθαι to occur ἐν in τάχει, quickness, καὶ and ἐσήμανεν he showed by signs ἀποστείλας having sent off διὰ through τοῦ the ἀγγέλου angel αὐτοῦ of him τῷ to the δούλῳ slave αὐτοῦ of him Ἰωάνει, to John. Jesus is not the God that gave him the revelation. If Jesus is the God that already knew it, then such a statement is absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary. There is so much more that proves Jesus is not equal with his Father. I really don't understand how anybody could come to such a conclusion. “. . .May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.” Psalm 83:18 The Jews worshipped one God *alone* by the name of Jehovah. They did not worship a Trinity God. When they did worship false Gods, God left them. But another fact by Jesus Christ who said, “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him *alone* you must render sacred service." - Luke 4:8 So I believe Jesus words ... that Jehovah the Father is the one *alone* to be worshipped. *Concerning Jason Dennis * Comparing Jesus at Mt 24:36 and Paul at 1 Cor 2:2 is not the same. Jesus Christ was speaking about the time of the end and gave signs\prophecies to show when it was the time of the end … then stating he did not know the hour ... etc. Paul at 1 Cor 2:2 is about how he preached the message (concerning his speech) of Jesus Christ. “I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come with an extravagance of speech or of wisdom declaring the sacred secret of God to you. *For I decided not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ, and him impaled.* And I came to you in weakness and in fear and with much trembling; *and my speech* and what I preached were not with persuasive *words of wisdom* but with a demonstration of spirit and power, that your faith might be, *not in men’s wisdom,* but in God’s power.” -1 Cor 2:1-5 It’s ok to take 1 scripture and explain its meaning … but what not ok is removing the context of its meaning … it far from being similar ...
This is a hard pill to swallow for some because they can’t get over the fact that Angel means messenger and those messengers that are called Angels are actually Cherubims and Seraphims. I shared some scriptures with a person on who Michael is/was revealed that no one has the power to resurrect but God and Christ going to Daniel 12:1-2 “thy people shall be delivered ....... and many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake” then John 5:25,28-29 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and that was like throwing a bucket of water into the ocean, didn’t change anything still wasn’t convince
That is because Daniel 12: 1-2, does not state that Michael raises the dead, only that he stands up for the people of God, at that time. John 5, says that Christ has the power to raise the dead with His voice. 1 Thessalonians 4, makes a distinction between Christ and His shout and the Archangel, when it would have been simple enough to say that "Christ the Archangel shall shout with His voice", if they were the same being. The Bible never explicitly identifies Michael as the Lord Almighty, but it does say Christ is the Lord. Christ is the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament and that Angel is never identified as Michael. Since that is the case, why insist that Christ is Michael ? Is it necessary for sanctification and salvation ?
Nader Mansour said that this occur after Christ ascension in heaven. If that is the case, Satan could not temp Eve in the Garden of Eden because he did not rebels yet against our Lord Jesus Christ in heaven because Satan is waiting for the ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ in heaven. The Vision of War in Heaven: Revelation 12:7-9 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Paul states in Hebrews 1:5 "For into which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten thee? Here, Paul states that none of the angels are called the Son of God. Also, Heb. 1:6 states that all angels are to worship the Son,(Jesus). Please read Heb. 1:4-9. Jesus is made superior to, and His Name is superior to angels
The word 'Archangel' is a title, it is not a proper noun, it is a common noun which identifies the position that Michael holds. [Michael] is a noun, and [angel] is a noun; but [Archangel] depicts the position which Michael holds, it is NOT HIS PERSON, it is in fact his title. His position is Chief/Captain of the LORDS Host. And we must ask the question, just who might be the Chief/Captain of the LORDS Host, might it not be Jesus Christ Himself? And yet, Revelation 19:11-16 proves that He is. There are also many who will dispute the fact that Jesus might ever be referred to as an Angel, those who do so need only study Revelation 8:3-4 to see otherwise. Notice: “And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.” Revelation 8:3-4 This angel is Jesus, as Jesus is the only mediator between God and man, therefore it can only be Him, as no-one else can offer up the prayers of the saints to the Father, and this, in the Most Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary. And you would also know that no-one ministers in the Most Holy Place, but the High Priest. In verse 5 we see this angel cast the sensor to the earth. “And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.” Revelation 8:5 This is the moment when the High Priest ceases His ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary, it is therefore the close of probation, and the time that Michael stands up to receive His Kingdom in Daniel 12:1. “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” Daniel 12:1 God Bless
@@thewatchman7093 Michael is not the only "chief" angel, there are others: Daniel 10:13 "...Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia." See my comments I just posted for the reasons according to the scriptures why Michael is not Jesus.
@@ctglenn1 The term “Michael the Archangel” simply means the “chief of the angels who is like God.” It is clear, as we harmonize scripture that this is a reference to Christ. The name Michael in Hebrew means “who is like God.” He is called Michael “the Archangel” in Jude 9. Meaning that there is only “One Archangel,” you cannot have it any other way. It is for this reason that He is referred to as “One of the chief princes in Daniel 10:13. The word “one” in this context denotes “first,” meaning that He is first, the Prince of angels, the Head of all principality and power; is none other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated Angel; who is “one,” or “the first of the chief Princes” (x), superior to angels, in nature, name, and office; he came to “help” Gabriel, not as a fellow creature, but as the Lord of hosts; not as a fellow soldier, but as General of the armies in heaven and earth, as superior to him in wisdom and strength; and he helped him by giving him fresh counsels, orders, and instructions, which he following, succeeded. The word which is translated as "one" in Daniel 10:13 is the Hebrew word H259, (ekh•äd'), and it is translated “first,” 36 times in other verses of the KJV. Would you prefer to believe that this word should have been translated as “first” in the KJV, or would you rather believe that “one” is correct, so that you can hold to your erroneous interpretation, and deny the clear teaching of Jude, that there is only “one Archangel?”
@@thewatchman7093 When the LAMB opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. 3 And ANOTHER angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, 4 and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel. 5 Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings,[a] flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. Bolded for emphasis. The very beginning of revelation 8 Shows that Jesus the LAMB opened the 7th seal. Then it talks about 7 Angels before God with 7 trumpets. THEN it says ANOTHER angel came and stood at the altar. The first part of revelation 8 Shows a clear distinction between the LAMB (Jesus) &7 angels before GOD and then ANOTHER angel. If it had meant Lamb again it would have said so? Can someone clarify this for me?
@@brianlovesjesus7056 The book of Revelation has a complexity that many have not identified, and you have touched upon one of the complexities that pertains to its structure. The book of Revelation is revealed to us by signs and symbols, but one of the particular aspects that are rarely discussed, or searched out, is that of the structure in which the book is revealed to us. God willing, I will attempt to shine a glimmer of light on the text to which you have questioned, but much of what I will say might only be confirmed by prayerful study. The seven churches, the seven seals, and the seven trumpets are all representations of the same period of time in earth's history, although each are looking at the same time periods from a different perspective. One might liken it to the different perspectives that we see when studying the Gospels of Matthew Mark and Luke. When we compare these Gospels to each other, we find many of the same stories, although they are presented to us from different perspectives in each of the Gospels, each having different information from the other. The first church, the first seal, and the first trumpet, each represent the period of the apostolic age. As concerning the seven plagues, these are ushered in during the period of the seventh church, the seventh seal, and seventh trumpet. In Revelation 8:1 we find the seventh seal opened by Christ. “And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.” Rev 8:1 The half hour of silence in Heaven is the time in which Jesus returns with His Angels to harvest the earth, this is during the dreadful time when the plagues are being poured out upon the earth. So we are to understand that the seventh seal is broken at the second coming. Revelation 8:2-5 is actually an introductory vision which covers the entire period from the first trumpet, to the pouring out of the plagues, which is the seventh trumpet. Verses 2-5 give us the beginning and ending points of the entire trumpet series. The starting point is when the intercessory work of Jesus begins in the holy place on the Day of Pentecost. The ending point is when Jesus casts the censer to the ground, there is thunder, lightning, voices and an earthquake (Revelation 8:5); probation closes and the temple fills with smoke. Revelation 15:5-8 So how do we know that the Angel officiating at the altar is Jesus? It was the High Priest, and the High Priest alone who burned incense on the Golden Altar (Exodus 30:7, 8). The golden altar of incense was nearest to the Ark of the Covenant that represents the throne of God. In fact, its orientation was toward the mercy seat in the most holy place (Exodus 30:6). The book of Hebrews places the censer and the incense in the most holy place of the Heavenly Sanctuary (Hebrews 9:3, 4). The fire is a symbol of the Holy Spirit, and the incense represents the prayers of the saints mingled with the merits of Jesus, our High Priest, therefore, the Angel with the Golden Censor can be none other than Jesus Christ, as He is our High Priest. While Jesus is sending up the prayers of the saints to the Father, it is obvious that mercy still pleads for the repentant sinner, but once the censor is cast down, probation has closed, and mercy has fulfilled her work, it is then that we will hear the following words. "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:11-12
Again: Christ is called the Word of God. John 1: 1-3. He is so called because God gave His revelations to man in all ages through Christ. It was His Spirit that inspired the prophets . 1 Peter 1:10,11. He was revealed to them as the Angel of Jehovah, the Captain of the Lord's host, Michael the Archangel. PP 761.5
Michael the Archangel is still an angel a created being. Jesus is the Creator. Hebrews 1:6 says let all the angels of God worship Him. That includes the archangel Michael
Jesus came as man to save humans. I always understood that at one time Jesus was the 'prime Minister' under God... Who was the Host of Host, whom was over the angels. But not a created being, the only Begotten Son of God.
Actually the son becomes the father and the father becomes the son and I have a son his name is Micah Russell born from spiritual birth along with a entire generation of children of God . and all debts been paid no more child sacrifice and death cults for it's save the children stop the child sacrifice and Satarn cycle
@marymashni3385 no Angel is an english word,look at the hebrew,and you will find he is the leader of the angels,angel also means messenger. In the ot,the angel of the lord went before isreal,and my name will be in him(God) Jacob worshipped the angel of the lord,Daniel bowed before Gabriel,and Gabriel told him to stand up,i am just a servant
Commander of the LORDS host! Yes Gabriel was an archangel as well as Michael the Archangel!We were created LIKE God Almighty! God Almighty EL’s a Spirit and we worship HIM in spirit and Truth! Jesus Christ Yeshua
It's Kell-EL I am in the spirit and the flesh and I am sovereign I am also my own person and a human a simple man trying do what's right I am no better then anyone . Worship and glory I do not seek for self but for my true family and friends. And we can only save those who are willing to save there selves. Also I was crucified so I keep to the shadows and my circle small . Most calling for the savior call on me for sacrifice I will never be put on the stake again . If you want the image you will loath me . Love and goodwill to you
@@bonjourincali Thanks for that, I firmly believe that Christ has authority to judge and to forgive, but I'm trying to see the link between that fact and Ex 23:21 that says the angel of the LORD will not pardon your transgression. ??
@@azazelsgoat See verse 19 The LORD (Jehovah) is speaking and then in verse 21 remember Jehovah is saying, "Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.". So if one would rebel ... then God gave him the authority not to pardon them. As with Jehovah gave Samson not only the strength gave him authority to cause havoc to the against the Philistines ... etc. This notion of teaching that only God Almighty can forgive or punish sinners only is unscriptural. Especially since he gives such authority to others ... “. . .For the Father judges no one at all, but he has *entrusted all the judging to the Son,* 23 so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.. . .” John 5:22, 23
But The Dragon could not represnt the earth for 4000 years in heaven, he could not access heaven, he had no access to heaven after his fall, what was he represent in heaven, no such scripture exist only assumed by people, especialy when they read Job, Rev 12 is talking about war in heaven before the fall of Adam on earth, that is before earth wa created, the same story is emphasized in Ezekiel 14, Isaiah 8. Jesus, the Son of God always have represented the belivers in heaven, the first believer was Adam both in his unfallen and fallen conditions. Please, what you are saying is not true partly. Evil is never represented in heaven. The devil usurped earth from Adam, he became the ruller of this earth but not a representative of anybody in heaven, because even evil men were not represented in heaven by Satan, only the believers were and are represented in heaven by Jesus at all times.
NADER don't let SDA teachings led you to teach this. There are a few problems with believing Jesus is Michael the Archangel. 1. Michael is not the only "chief" angel, there are others: Daniel 10:13 "...Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia." 2. Jesus is not the angel of the Lord, the angel was still giving messages when Jesus was on earth. Matthew 2:13 "...the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him." Matthew 2:19-20 19 "But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, 20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life." 3. God speaks about Jesus in comparison to the angels at "any time" has he spoke to angels(This would include Michael, because at any time) in the same way. Hebrews 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" 4. In all the Gospels, especially in the book of John, Michael is never mentioned. There are many claims about who Jesus was, especially in the book of John, where Jesus says all of the "I am" claims and others say who Jesus was, is, claimed to be, and even others made claims about him and there never was a claim from anyone, for him or against him, claiming he was Michael the Archangel!
"And lo, Michael, first of the chief heads..." Dan 10:13 Young's Literal Translation. The marginal reading in the KJV uses "first" in place "chief". I understand it to mean Michael is head or first in authority over all these principalities. See Rev 1:5 where Christ is referred to as "Prince of the kings of the earth".
A Hanson I think you may be mistaken, that translation has “first” in place of the word “one” and the it replaces the word “princes” with “heads”. It’s odd for you to use that one version which is clearly incorrect, because I looked at 26 other top translations and they all have the word “one” of the... chief princes (or commanders, archangels, strongest guardian angels...). The KJV and at least 20 others say “one of the chief princes” and all the other versions though having different words agree with my point, except that the “one” version you happen to have quoted.
ctglenn 1. Your first point is the strongest and most conclusive. Michael is called ONE OF, the chief princes. Even if we take the odd translation "First of the chief heads" that still places him as on rank with them and not their Lord. As for your other points, they are weak to me. Christ being the Logos, the Word of manifestation of the Father, is God and an Infinite Being, so He can be developing as a baby in the womb, the Incarnation and yet be the Angel of the Lord , making the announcement. Mathew 2 : 19 is definitely not applicable since it says AN angel of the Lord and not THE angel. Good work nonetheless. Thank you for helping to rebuke heresy.
@ctglenn1 I have posted this reply to you elsewhere in this thread in reply to your comments to my post to David Dilworth. I decided to re-post it here as I believe it may be beneficial to others in this thread. The term “Michael the Archangel” simply means the “chief of the angels who is like God.” It is clear, as we harmonize scripture that this is a reference to Christ. The name Michael in Hebrew means “who is like God.” He is called Michael “the Archangel” in Jude 9. Meaning that there is only “One Archangel,” you cannot have it any other way. It is for this reason that He is referred to as “One of the chief princes in Daniel 10:13. The word “one” in this context denotes “first,” meaning that He is first, the Prince of angels, the Head of all principality and power; is none other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated Angel; who is “one,” or “the first of the chief Princes” (x), superior to angels, in nature, name, and office; he came to “help” Gabriel, not as a fellow creature, but as the Lord of hosts; not as a fellow soldier, but as General of the armies in heaven and earth, as superior to him in wisdom and strength; and he helped him by giving him fresh counsels, orders, and instructions; which he following, succeeded. The word which is translated as "one" in Daniel 10:13 is the Hebrew word H259, (ekh•äd'), and it is translated “first,” 36 times in other verses of the KJV. Would you prefer to believe that this word should have been translated as “first” in the KJV, or would you rather believe that “one” is correct, so that you can hold to your erroneous interpretation, and deny the clear teaching of Jude, that there is only “one Archangel?”
@@thewatchman7093 Before we discuss your points, please tell me why it is important to accept that Michael is a name of Christ ? You , Nader and many Adventists make a big deal about this. How does it relate to salvation or sanctification ?
When the LAMB opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. 3 And ANOTHER angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, 4 and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel. 5 Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings,[a] flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. Bolded for emphasis. The very beginning of revelation 8 Shows that Jesus the LAMB opened the 7th seal. Then it talks about 7 Angels before God with 7 trumpets. THEN it says ANOTHER angel came and stood at the altar. The first part of revelation 8 Shows a clear distinction between the LAMB (Jesus) &7 angels before GOD and then ANOTHER angel. If it had meant Lamb again it would have said so? Can someone clarify this for me?
To my understanding, it's Christ. The reason whythat it is the end of Mercy (censer thrown to the earth). And we know that He is the High Priest-King. No other can do His work.
hey brother your videos are very enlightning, so thank you for that. I just have one question what is the difference between begotten and created? aren't they the same or at least similar?
They are different. Adam was created and Jesus was begotten. Adam and Eve were both created, Adam from the dust of the ground and Eve from the side of Adam, but their children and every other man after them were begotten. You could use born for begotten also.
Justin Martyr said that Jesus was born from God just as a woman has a baby. Then somehow through Jesus, God created all other things. Jesus is eternal as he was created in the dimension where there is no time. Space time is only associated with our physical universe. So I would assume also that angels are eternal as they were created in eternity, that dimension where there is no space or time only spirit. Luke 20:38 says God is not a God of the dead but of those who live. What he is saying is that although we in linear time are awaiting Abraham's resurrection John 5:28, God is already communing with his friend Abraham in a future time. This is how he knows the end before the beginning. He can transverse the past, present or future. He does not predestinate. He just knows. Check out some of Hugh Ross's older videos on God and dimensions.
@@melissareid1595 Amazing, I guess we have a few things in common, I have been reading some of the quotes of the early church fathers including Justin, and am also a fan of Hugh Ross and watched some of his videos. I use to be involved With the Jehovah's Witnesses, however I no longer am, however they just seem to not see much of a difference between begotten or created. They also believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Those who believe in the Trinity think begotten just means unique and that he was eternally begotten, whatever that means.
@@jaythorn8733 I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses but I watch videos of Hugh Ross, Nader Mansour of course, J. Wallace, John Lennox, Frank Turek among others. Some are trinitarians and I disagree with the trinity but these guys have so many valuable ideas to share I just have to cut them some slack. Nader is amazing against the trinity and also on Michael the Archangel. There is one point that I differ with him and that is the meaning of "who is like God." I checked in Strong's (another amazing resource) and "who" is an interrogative pronoun. It is asking the question "Who is like God?" The JWs have it right. It is a challenge. It is not a statement of likeness. But Nader has it right on the rest. Ellen White along with a long list of former evangelists Charles Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, Wesley, John Calvin, Jonathan Edwards among others thought that Michael and Jesus were the same. Doug Bachelor also thinks that Michael is Jesus although how he fits that in with the trinity I don't understand. Don't you think many evangelists of our day defend the trinity because they don't want to offend their base. Yes God is mysterious and we will never understand him completely but one thing I know is He is not a God of contradictions. Don't you wish you had Isaac Newton on speed dial to call him and ask him questions on these topics. He wrote more on theology than physics. He was a closet antitrinitarian. I hope to meet him in the resurrection and get some answers. You know that he predicted that Jesus would set up his millennial kingdom in 2065. I hope we don't have to wait that long.
@@melissareid1595 Hello Melissa, I am SDA but have friends who are Jehova's Witnesses. I like your open mind and willingness to learn. I try to be that way. hope I do like wrestling with big thoughts and to love the questions as much as the answers! I used to be somewhat sure of myself, somewhat cocky. But God has humbled me so that I have come to put great value on sharing and being open to learning and understanding another's point, even if not agreeing with it. I guess I have become more curious and caring and less dogmatic. Having my church becoming more strongly Trinitarian has given me great sadness. I love my church and all our teachings- except 3 Gods in One. (I have friends and I know of Pastors who if they speak about their belief in Jesus being the literal Son of God and not simply a role He played in the salvation of man, they have been disfellowshipped.) It breaks my heart. We should be like the Berean's and diligencently search the Scriptures for our self, without the fear that we will not be accepted in our communities if we see something from another angle. God bless you in your discoveries. A Sister in Christ
Michael, who is Son of God, is referring Satan to a higher ranking person. the Father is of higher rank than the Son. See 1Corinthians 15:27-28: "For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." Conclusion: "just like God", but not in rank.
I was passing through Scripture through the verses that I myself know too, but just now it passed this question through my mind. Why the Father doesn’t say “I send you my Son before thee” instead of “I send you an Angel” (mal'âk), which basically means “messenger”, in Exodus 23:20 and the other verses of the Old Testament? Why didn’t He called Him by its status of Son? There is no clear declaration of a Son in whole Old Testament, but a Son that it is to come. So, I just wonder, why all this secrecy? If there was a Son in heaven already, why not call Him by its status? Why there is no direct Scripture which states that Michael the archangel is the Son of Elohim (God) way before incarnation? Just a thought. And, what about this verse: “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.” (Daniel 10:13) It says clearly “one of the chief princes”, so we can clearly deduct that there are other “chief princes”. The word for “one” in hebrew is -'echâd - meaning properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: - a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one); so in our text I think that “one” and “alike” can both fit well with the context, so by the text itself we easily understand that Michael is “one of the chief princes”, and there are other chief princes like him. Just thinking. Blessings to all in Yahushua Ha Mashiyach! He is coming soon!
Michael is not Jesus . I thought u understand scripture then this . Michael is one of the chief princes meaning there is more . So according to you there is more ppl equal to Jesus status
Nader Mansour Michael the archangel is not our Lord Jesus Christ. It was a fight between to the two angels which is Michael the archangel and Lucifer in heaven. If Jesus will fight with Lucifer, by His Word alone he will be eliminated in heaven without the help of His angels. The Vision of War in Heaven: Revelation 12:7-9 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
The Genesis Apocryphon (1QapGen) repeats information from Genesis. The Qumran Scrolls, also indicate that Melchizedek was used as a name of the Archangel Michael, interpreted as a heavenly priest; Michael as Melchi-zedek contrast with Belial, who is given the name of Melchi-resha 'king of wickedness'.
It strikes my mind that all the ways we humans try to be like God or produce our own RIGHTEOUSNESS is equivalent to Antichrist Spirit or aka in the PLACE OF CHRIST..which is illustrated by CAIN IN THE BEGINNING when he offered His own fruits INSTEAD of the LAMB WHICH REPRESENTED THE SON OF GOD. THIS also is Babylon....the multitudinous ways to God. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD. the ONLY DOOR OF ESCAPE FROM BABYLON.
We have to get a handle on " sin " " transgression" " iniquity" i.e thought ,action ,recalcitrance. God is a consuming fire to iniquity. Satan was perfect in all his ways until iniquity was found in him. Satan had resolved to never do the Father's will. Thus denying God as the river of life. As God is a consuming fire to iniquity Satan should have been immediately consumed by the Fathers Glory,but so many seeds of deception causing confusion had been sown that God had to reveal to His loyal subjects what the consequences of Satans agenda of compulsion were. God started by casting Satan and his followers into an area of His creation known as outer darkness or the deep. There they were left to establish what they could without Divine input. Time passed and God's angels were none the wiser . The fallen angels were like watching a large crowd waiting for a bus that did not exist. Eventually to progress things God said " let there be light" and the beginning of our creation started . God was going to allow his angels witness Lucifer giving us knowledge at the tree of knowledge of good and evil .In time Gods angels would have realised that Satan of himself had nothing to offer and that testimony would have caused their destruction in the lake of fire. Unfortunately Adam gave Lucifer access to the minds of men anywhere anytime. When Gods angels witnessed Lucifer angels inciting men to torture Jesus on the day of his death to prove that under pressure he would let go of his trust in God they ceased to have any contact or interest in Lucifer's angels. John records this "the prince of this world is judged"
He's immortal. Humans are not so they would cease to exist. That's why God removed the first pair out of Eden. Otherwise He would have ceased to exist as soon as iniquity was found in him.
Revelation 12. I understood this way since long. The conversation between God and Satan about Job would make no sense otherwise. And we know when it happened: after the meeting with Mary at the tomb / on the day of the first fruits ("dont touch because I didnt ascend to my Father") and the meeting with Thomas ("touch me, put your fingers in my wounds"). We can be more precise: On the day of the first fruits, at 9:00 AM (Israel time), Jesus presents himself to His Father (mentionned in Revelation 4 & 5) and His sarifice is accepted. Right after must be the fight that throw Satan forever out of the heavens. He had 4000 years probation time. But at killing the Son of God, he had shown his character till the bitter end. This will repeat at the end of human probation, where he will (try to) kill faithful ones. Anyway, thanks brother Nader, you brought me further with other details in this chapter.
Brother Nader, when you quote Isaiah 45 (at 21mn22s), you say that it is the Father who speaks to say that he is the only God and that he created everything. Yet in Isaiah 45 is it not Jesus who speaks and who says that he created everything? thank you for your reply
Jesus never refered to Himself as Michael the archangel. When Paul asked on the road to Damascus who are you lord. He said I,m Jesus Christ whom youre persecuting. Michael is one of the chief princes. Jesus is not one of any. But the only begotten son of God. You give a very convincing presentation. But the general of the army is not the president. You are making Jesus Christ the Creator an angel acreated being. When did He ever say to any of the angels sit at my right hand?
In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being. In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it]. John 1:1, 3-5 AMP According to the above inspired scripture before Christ was incarnated as a Human (Jesus) he was the "Word" of God who was co-equal with God the Father & God the Holy Spirit in EVERY WAY! He is the second person of the Holy Trinity (the word used to describe the doctrine throughout the Holy Scriptures). ALL the persons in the Trinity shares in ALL the attributes- omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence & are eternal. ALL of them in nature are eternal- no beginning, not formed by accident, not born by any means (natural/unnatural), not created by anyone/anything!!! All of them are perfect, immortal, indestructible! All of them cannot cease to exist!!! So we see here that Christ CANNOT be an Archangel Michael (who is a angel of war & when God want to execute His judgement). Archangel Michael & Archangel Gabriel & former Archangel Lucifer too are created beings who are created by Christ himself! They are but servants of Christ!!! Moreover, the resurrection of Moses is assumed! No clear evidence & purpose for it too! Also, just for agruement sake even if Archangel Michael was Christ then why would he share the redemption plan of God (that He would pay the price by His death on the cross!?). If the devil was told the redemption plan then he would not have assisted in it (Then Satan entered Judas, the one called Iscariot, who was one of the twelve [disciples]. Luke 22:3 AMP). Moreover, the name Michael (Hebrew "Mikha’el") The breakup of the Hebrew name is (1) "Mikha" meaning “who is like" & (2) "El" which means "God”. We must understand that this name is NOT a statement but a... rhetorical question posed to reiterate that there is absolutely NO thing/being in ALL creation that is like God!!!
Love your stuff Nader but I have a slight disagreement with your assessment of the name Michael. According to Strong's it is a question, Who is like God? 4317. Also see Strong's 4320 which is Miykayah. Another question asking who is like Jah? Strong's says the who is an interrogative pronoun so I view it as a challenge saying who can compare to my father? Michael is ready to defend God's reputation not so much that he is like his father. Thank you for your clear explanations regarding Ellen White and the trinity. I have used your arguments with some of my Adventist friends.
I do love in you . Like when you get goosebumps that's me or when you're leg aches that's me I often will remind others I'm there by pinching the left shoulder. Also I'm in the iris I am in you and you in me without me you can do nothing
Great presentation. Rejoice ye heavens includes the unfallen worlds. Job 1&2 did not say that the meetings were in heaven. This appears to be somewhere in the universe. Read the book story of redemption, after satan was cast out, the farthest he went was the gate of heaven.
“Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: ‘Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner. For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, in order that you may marvel. For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes those alive whom he wants to. [Why?] For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Most truly I say to you, He that hears my word and believes him that sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.’”-John 5:19-24. Prior to Jesus, by means of holy prophets God had raised up dead persons, for instance, the sons of two mothers. Concerning this we read, in Hebrews 11:35: “Women received their dead by resurrection.” Now, in a matter of two years after Jesus spoke the words in John 5:19-24, the time came for God to raise up his own Son Jesus Christ from the dead, on the sixteenth day of the Jewish lunar month of Nisan in the year 33 of our Common Era. By this resurrection God made his Son Jesus Christ alive forevermore in heaven, by clothing him with immortality and incorruptibility as a spirit Son of God. (Rev. 1:5, 18; 1 Pet. 3:18, 19) It was then that God gave life-giving power to his Son, so that he was able to make alive those whom he wanted to make alive, thus opening up the way for them to live forever in God’s coming righteous order of things. In that way the Son would copy his heavenly Father by doing all the things that the Father shows him are to be done in behalf of dead mankind. These future works of the Son of God will be greater than those he did when he was on earth, greater than when he healed the man who lay sick for thirty-eight years. That is why God the heavenly Father appointed him to be a judge. The Sender is greater than the one sent. Jesus himself said that. (John 13:16) God the Greater sent the Son the Lesser, for which reason Jesus also said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) The Father the Greater appointed the Son the Lesser to be a judge, committing all the judging with reference to mankind to the Son, who died sacrificially for them. If we humans respect the Father’s power to appoint, we ought to honor the one whom he appoints as judge. Just as we should honor God the Father who is “the Judge of all,” so we should honor the Son whom he appoints to judge mankind. Certainly if we do not honor the Son as God’s appointed judge, we do not honor God the Father who clothed his Son with judicial power. We cannot claim to honor God the Father and at the same time rightly ignore the Son as judge. Our everlasting life depends on our thus honoring the Son as judge in the same way as we honor the heavenly “Father who sent him.” Today, by means of John’s written account in the Holy Bible, we are hearing Jesus’ words in this regard. If, after thus hearing, we do as Jesus said, namely, ‘believe on him that sent me,’ we shall have everlasting life. This life we shall enjoy in God’s promised righteous order of things under his kingdom. Note the remarkable thing about those who thus have everlasting life because they hear Jesus’ words with faith and obedience and then believe on the Father who sent him. Jesus says about each one of such: “He does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.” (John 5:24) There is a special spiritual sense in which such a hearer and believer passes over from death to life now during this present time of believing. Nineteen hundred years ago when Jesus Christ spoke those meaningful words he was speaking particularly of the congregation of believers whom God the heavenly Father was to take out from among men to become associate judges with Jesus Christ in the heavens. It was with reference to this congregation of associate judges that Jesus said to his apostles: “Truly I say to you, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone that has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive many times more and will inherit everlasting life.” (Matt. 19:27-29) There will, of course, be more than twelve associate judges of Jesus Christ in his heavenly kingdom. The whole congregation of associates will judge many more than the literal twelve tribes of Israel. Under the Superior Judge Jesus Christ they will judge all mankind, the living and the dead. On this point the apostle Paul wrote to the congregation: “Do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you unfit to try very trivial matters” now? (1 Cor. 6:2) Thus the associate judges will be many.
Only one archangel. The dictionary says arch means Chief. There can only be one Chief angel. Many great evangelists through time believed that Jesus was Michael before he came to earth. Charles Spurgeon, Ellen White, Wesley, Matthew Henry, Doug Bachelor among others.
Melchizedek is another name for ark angel michael the book of Daniel teaches God chose ark angle michael to be a prince In his kingdom on earth that alone says is all
Just some brief observations and comments : 1) Michael - who is like God. Clearly , someone who is like God, cannot be God. But who in scripture is said to be like or the image (Col 1 :15) or the representation (Heb 1 :3 ) Jesus ? 2) Zec 3 : 1.. Notice how it reads in some other translations : !And the LORD said to satan, I the LORD reject your accusation.! (NLT) "And the angel of the LORD JEHOVAH said to Satan, Satan the LORD JEHOVAH Shall rebuke you.! (Aramaic Bible in plain En glish ) "But the LORD said , Satan you are wrong" (CEV) "And the angel of the LORD said to satan, May the LORD condemn you." (GNT ) The LORD said to satan, I the LORD, silence you."( GWT ) etc etc etc. Might this change the argument ? 3)The angel of the LORD' Yahweh's angel is clearly God's messenger or agent and therefore not God. There are other passages where the Angel of the LORD is speaking to God. The Angel of the Lord need not be but could be the divine Son of God, depending on context. 4) Having the name of God in him may simply mean that he has God's authority as his agent or representative. Then again YEHOshua means YHWH is salvation and so the divine name really was in Jesus. 5) A case may be made for saying that the one who led Israel through the wilderness and the Captain of the host may be the pre-existing Son of God before he came to earth as a human being. However, the 'worship' argument is wrong : Go to Bible hub. Most Bibles simply say reverence or bow down. In the time of the King James Bible, the word "worship" had a much wider range of meaning. This argument cannot be used to say the captain of the host accepted worship as if he was God. Indeed, his entire argument about worship is specious. 6) the speaker makes a convincing case that the Jesus had a pre-human existence and he has identified who he may have been. However he fails to distinguish between the only begotten Son and the unbegotten God. He hides behing the word "begotten". But truth is, we all know what it means in the Bible. Likewise, being the divine SON of God, God's agent and plenipotentiary, the one THROUGH who and FOR whom things were created.does not make him the source of creation. Rather, it separates him from the ultimate creator, YHWH. 7) The speaker continues to make a very prsuasive case that Jesus, the Christ, the Son of God, can be identified with Michael as they seem to share identical roles. Indeed, many of the great Protestant reformers and modern theologians have noteed the same link. However, sadly, he begins to stray off topic towards the end . It seems to me that the speaker was able to make the case that before and after he came to earth, the divine Son of God, identified as Michael, serves God as his messenger, agent and spokesperson(Word). He also clearly showed that the Son of God is a different being/ entity from Goid. Many who believe the doctrine of the trinity will be outraged that Jesus has been referred to as an angel. albeit, the Archangel. Those who hold this view will be called heretics. They simnply fail to understand that the gospels and Epistles make it clear that early followers of Jesus viewed him as the Messiah ( Anointed One / Christ ) the Son of God and not YHWH himself. Ironically, for those so outraged by the designation of Jesus as the Archangel, they will find many supporters of the Trinity on UA-cam trying to prove the pre-existence of the Son and will use the Angel of the Lord argument. Double Standards ?
BR. Nader I see Strong's meaning of Michael as a question, of challenge (as some see it) To me it only adds to Christ's work of showing us the Father, as well as vindicating the Father before the universe and in doing so validating his divinity and Sonship once and for all. A created being (JW believe Christ was created) could not do this. God himself could not defend himself, as he stands accused by Satan. His nature of love means his character of mercy, fairness/fair play and justice bind him. So who is like God? The Only begotten Son of God. That's what I take away from this study. Thank you and GBU.
Easy because Jesus didn't praise himself in stead he referred to God as his father Jesus didn't even know who he was until the time came when jesus exercised authority thats when he new who he actually was michael is the righteous son of God which is the melchizedek priest hood
Nader Mansour Michael the archangel is the father of the New Testament while our Lord Jesus Christ was in the flesh form. God's Son is Superior to the Angels: Hebrews 1:5 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? The Word Becomes Human: John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
A very common name today yet a very old Hebrew name which can be found in Numbers 13:13. The Hebrew pronunciation is me-khah-eyl (The "kh" is pronounced hard like the "ch" in the name Bach) and is composed of three parts. The first is the word mee meaning "who". The second is the khah meaning "like." The third is the word eyl literally meaning one of power or authority but commonly translated as "God". When put together these mean "Who is like God?" This same question is asked in Psalm 113:5. Who is like Yahweh our God, the one who dwells on high? The name Miykha'el is a short form of the phrase above "Who is like Yahweh our God" which is miy khamokha yahweh eloheynu.
In the YT video titled "Q & A on the Godhead & the Trinity", Nader states that he does not believe in a biune God. It is an interesting video which has a panel of two Trinitarians, and two Father/Son, where they answer audience questions.
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hey brother, at 53 minutes you start explaining that Satan claims the dominion and place of Adam and right to be the representative of the human family in heaven. can you clarify all that please?
also the first war that begun before the creation and fall of man... could you please clarify that too please?
thank you so much!
Hi Brother Nadar. In your Argument with Archangel Michael, there's a misunderstanding. I would like us to discuss further on this matter maybe you might be able to clarify it further. The first thing that we need to define is: How did God reveal himself in many ways in the past before He sent His Son according to Hebrews, secondly Who was the Angel of the LOARD and what does it mean to be an Angel of the LORD? and Thirdly, was Jesus before incarnation an ANGEL (ARCH) and What is an ANGEL? According to Rank of Angels such as Cherub, Seraphims, and Angels, what is your take on order heavenly beings? I will appreciate it if you can assist me with these questions.
Beautiful message, it is crystal clear. I cannot grasp how so many people can still argue against this truth.
This ministry preaches the true gospel. The truths in the Bible are so plain and consistent I don’t know how more people don’t see these truths. God bless you Bro Nadar
Excellent study, if not the best study I've seen on the Identity of Michael the Archangel. Thankyou brother. May God continue to bless you and your family.
Great presentation thankyou Nader
Thank you so much brother Nader for filling in some gaps for me and helping me to see these beautiful truths even more clearly, God bless you!
Wow! What a powerful message regarding Michael the Arch Angel! There were so many takeaways in this presentation. I had always read in Job how Satan came to present himself in heaven as the prince of this world but never knew until today that he was cast out a second time permanently. You made it very clear! I also learned that it was not until after Christ’s ascension that war ensued again then Satan knew he had a short time to do his dirt and destroy all faith and hope in Gods salvation! This information is so vitally important for us to know and I hope and pray its being shared with others! Thank you Pastor!
Nice message, Nader. Hope to see you soon in DB.
This is the best explanation of this topic I have ever heard. Thank you.
Thank you brother for straightening out the war in heaven. We're studying Revelation and this is a great help. God bless. Thanks again.
Amen! Thank you for a great study brother!!! Definitely going to go back and study and take notes!
I get it. Praise the Most High. This is what I've always believed from understanding the scriptures.
I’m convinced!
Amen, thank you brother, GBU.
No one has ever explained it like this. Never. They just said Michael was Jesus.
Michael is called the great prince [Dan 10:20-21]. Jesus is also known as the prince. [Rev 1:5; Acts 3:14-15; Is 9:6].
*WHO IS THIS MICHAEL WHO IS CALLED THE ARCHANGEL? - SECTION 1 OF 2*
We read, “At that time *Michael shall stand up,* The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; *And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation,* Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.” Daniel 12:1.
What will happen during this end-time prophecy? And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation.
*Who shall stand up?* [Michael] and Who is Michael? What does Michael mean? *"The one who is like God".* [Michael is mentioned three times in the Book of Daniel - 12:1; 10:13; 10:21]
So, the Bible reveals that Michael is not just some guardian who is placed over the church to protect it. But rather, He is the great prince which stands up for God's people. What other great prince is there but Jesus Himself.
*Revelation 12:7-9* - *Satan Thrown Out of Heaven.* “And war broke out in heaven: *Michael and his angels fought with the dragon;* and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
*Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel,* in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
Here we learn that *Michael is called the Archangel. Angel means messenger.* The primary first messenger-Archangel.
“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven *with a shout, with the voice of an archangel,* and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.” 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
*Who is the resurrection and the life?* - *“Jesus said to her, 'I am the resurrection and the life….”* John 11:25.
*This is no ordinary Angel who is contending for our salvation.* - *He* is the One who overthrows Satan. God did not give that work to just any angel. But was given to the first Messenger, Michael the Archangel. verse 16 Says, For the Lord Himself - *WHO?* "the Lord Himself" will descend from heaven - *WITH WHAT* - *with a shout, with the voice of an archangel,* and with the trumpet of God. *What happens next?* - *And the dead in Christ will rise first.*
*For a good comparison, let us see what Christ said when He was on Earth.*
*So, whose voice will raise the dead?* [The voice of Jesus]
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear *[Who's voice, The voice of Jesus the Son of God]* the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.” John 5:25.
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves *SHALL HEAR HIS VOICE, AND SHALL COME FORTH;* they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” John 5:25-29.
There is no doubt whose voice is raising the dead - It is the voice of Jesus the Son of God, who is Michael the Archangel. [1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven WITH A SHOUT, WITH THE VOICE OF AN ARCHANGEL, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first"].
If we compare the two Bible references above [1 Thessalonians 4:16 and John 5:25-28] *we see one of the strongest cases for supporting the idea that Michael is Jesus.*
We saw that there were two possible meanings to: "the Lord Himself shall come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel's voice" 1 Thessalonians 4:16. They are: *[1]* the archangel could be shouting for Jesus; or *[2]* Jesus could be doing the shouting Himself and he is using the voice of an archangel because He is Michael the Archangel.
*John 5:25 and 28 resolves the conundrum:* "the dead shall hear *THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD".* "all that are in the graves *SHALL HEAR HIS VOICE".* So, in 1 Thessalonians, it is the archangels' voice, but in John 5, it is the voice of the Son of God. *One cannot be wrong and the other right.* - *Michael the Archangel must be Jesus.*
The Bible is its own expositor. *The evidence clearly reveals that it is Jesus Himself who is doing the shouting.* Now we can understand 1 Thessalonians 4:16 in light of John 5 that Michael is Jesus. What 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is really saying, is that Jesus descends from heaven shouting with the voice of the Archangel. Thus, Jesus is doing the shouting but with His own Archangel's voice. This comparison shows that the Archangel really is Jesus.
In both Thessalonians and John, we see that the voice causes the resurrection of life to the righteous dead. The dead in Christ will rise when they hear His voice. Both Scriptures are describing the same event so Jesus and Michael must be the same individual.
So, this Michael the Archangel is none other than who? Jesus the Son of God. *AMEN*
*[Emphasis Added]*
Also read, *"WHO IS THIS MICHAEL WHO IS CALLED THE ARCHANGEL? - SECTION 2 OF 2"*
*"WHO IS THIS MICHAEL WHO IS CALLED THE ARCHANGEL? - SECTION 2 OF 2"*
*Daniel 2: We can now underscore stand up.*
“At that time *Michael shall stand up, The great prince* who stands watch over the sons of your people; *And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation,* Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.” Daniel 12:1.
*What does it mean when Jesus shall one day STAND UP?* It means that intercession for humanity is closed. Human probation is over. Let's proof this from God's word.
When Christ ascended into heaven He went sitting at the right hand of the Father. Read this in Heb. 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, *sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:"* , and we know when He was sitting on the right hand of the Father He was making intercession for us - *We read this in Romans 8:34.*
*So, SITTING DOWN signifies that Jesus is making intercession/mediation AND when He STANDS UP means that intercessions have come to an end,* THAT is, - no longer is He pleading or interceding for us. Probation is now closed. LET us confirm these scriptures.
‘Who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, *sat down* at the right hand of the Majesty on high.’* Hebrews 1:3.
After His Crucifixion He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, He sat down [Amen] GO to Romans 8 now, “Who is He who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even *[where?]* at the right hand of God, *[What is Jesus doing?]* who also *makes intercession for us.”* Romans 8:34. *[Emphasis in brackets mine]*
So, we've just learned that when He "sit up" He makes "Intercession" and when He Stands up He is no longer making intercession.
So, what is the primary example in scripture that says when Christ stood up probation had closed for a particular group of people? *THE STONING OF STEPHEN.* Go to Acts chapter 7.
“But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus *[DOING WHAT?]* standing *[STANDING WHERE]* at the right hand of God, 56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” Acts 7:55.
When Jesus ascended to heaven He went to "sit". Hold your place in Acts 7. Let us turn to Acts 2.
*Acts 2:* “This Jesus God has *raised up,* of which we are all witnesses. Therefore *being exalted to the right hand of God,* and having *received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit,* He poured out this which you now see and hear.
“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit *[sit WHERE?]* at My right hand.” Acts 2:32-34.
*So, when Christ ascended to heaven he sat at the right hand of God. Back to Acts 7 - So where is He standing now?* - *At the Right hand of God.* - *[Sitting interceding - Standing intercession is over]* Does it make sense? Of cause, it does.
*This is what we find in Acts 7:55-60 Christ is standing at the right hand of the Father in heaven. Probation close. Question? Which prophecy from the book of DANIEL at this point in Acts 7 was closed or came to an end, when Christ Stood up? THE SEVENTY PROPHETIC WEEKS of Daniel chapter 9. [AMEN]. Probation closed!*
*Question?* What did the Apostles and Stephen received before Stephen saw Christ standing at the right hand of God in heaven? Stephen received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. That means, or what must we receive before Jesus stands-up in the Heavenly sanctuary/most Holy Place and closes the work of salvation? What must we receive like the Apostles in Acts 2, like Stephen? THE LATTER RAIN - THE OUTPOURING OF HOLY SPIRIT [THE EARLY AND LATTER RAIN] . Does it make sense?
What does it mean when Michael the Archangel / Christ stands up? Hold your place in Revelation and go to Daniel 12. You might never get the opportunity to go over this ground again.
Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up *[what does this mean?- intercession is over],* The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; *And there shall be a time of trouble* - *[let's pause right here - when shall the time of trouble begin? after Jesus stands up after there is no more work for salvation Christ ceases the work of intercession],* - *Such as never was since there was a nation,* Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. “ [AMEN Emphasis added].
*After probation/intercession is done Jesus stands up, and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation. At that time everyone found written in the book of life shall be delivered*
*WHAT MUST WE RECEIVE? THE EARLY AND LATTER RAIN. WHAT MUST FIRST BE PROCLAIMED BEFORE CHRIST STANDS UP?* - THE FINAL WARNING. WHAT IS THAT? THE THREE ANGELS' MESSAGE. DOES IT MAKE SENSE?
Once the warning is proclaimed Christ stands up, probation is over, no more intercession. Where do we find this message that must be proclaimed and then Christ will stand up and ceases the work of intercession? Revelation 14, specifically the 3rd angel message 9-12.
The point we must see before Christ stands up and closes the work of intercession, we just discovered like the apostles, like Stephen we must receive what? *THE OUTPOURING of the Holy Spirit.*
*NOW, WHAT IS THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?*
Based on Ephesians 4:30 NKJV [to seal us] “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”
*What must we receive then before Christ stands up and closes the work of intercession?* We are to receive like Stephen, the outpouring of the Spirit of God. And when we receive that outpouring, it is a sign that we are obedient and are then sealed by the Holy Spirit. NOW GO TO REVELATION 7. This scripture encapsulates that thought that we must receive the seal of God before salvation closes.
“After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, *having the seal *[having what?]* of the living God.* And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have *[till they have what?]* *sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”* Revelation 7:1-3 *[Emphasis added]*
*1.]* So not until God's children are sealed will who stand up? Jesus/Michael the Archangel. *2.]* Based on verse 3 What must take place before the time of destruction? Sealing of God's children.
*[Emphasis added]*
*INTRODUCTION - WHO IS MICHAEL*
Michael is called the prince [Dan 10:20-21].
Jesus is also known as the prince: Rev 1:5; Acts 3:14-15 etc.
*Michael receives worship:* Joshua 5:14.
*Jesus receives worship:* Matt 2:2,11; 8:2;9:18; 15:25; 20:20; 28:9,17; Luke 24:52; Mark 5:6; Jn 9:38; Heb 1:6; Rev 5:13,14. etc,. see doc worship to sort …
*Michael is:* Chief Prince Dan 10:13
: Great Prince Dan 12:1
: the Arch Angel Jude 1:9; 1 Thess. 4:16 /Resurrects the death [2nd coming] 1 Thess. 4:16
: Commander of the army of the LORD Dan 8:1; Joshua 5:13-15.
: Captain of the host [angels] & receives worship Joshua 5:14
: Has angels
: The only Angel contending and dispute and rebuked the devil indirectly Jude 1:9.
"The "Angel" Who Appeared to Jacob. -This Angel [Hosea 12:4] appeared to Jacob in the form of a man [Gen. 32:24]. The Angel [man] blessed Jacob [verse 29], and Jacob said, "I have seen God face to face" [verse 30].
*Pivotal Remark: Angels don’t receive worship:* While we find in the book of Revelation that *WHEN JOHN WANTED TO WORSHIP THE ANGEL THAT SHOWED HIM THE VISION, THAT ANGEL DID NOT ACCEPT WORSHIP AND INSTRUCTED HIM TO WORSHIP GOD ALONE.* “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, *I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel* which shewed me these things. *Then saith he [the angel] unto me, SEE THOU DO IT NOT: for I am thy fellow servant,* and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.” Revelation 22:8-9. [cf. Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10].
In the Book of Daniel 10:13,21; 12:1, [Old Testament], Michael is named as a protector or guardian of Israel. In the Book of Revelation 12:7 [New Testament], he is portrayed as the leader of heaven's armies in the war against Satan.
A very common name today yet a very old Hebrew name which can be found in Numbers 13:13. The Hebrew pronunciation is me-khah-eyl [The "kh" is pronounced hard like the "ch" in the name Bach] and is composed of three parts. *The first is the word miy [mee] H4310 meaning "who".*
*The second is the ka [khah] H3588 meaning "like."*
*The third is the word el [eyl] H410 literally meaning one of power or authority but commonly translated as "God".*
From the Hebrew name מִיכָאֵל (Mîykâʼêl) or (Mikha'el) as above when put together these mean "Who is like God?" Greek Strongs G3413 / Hebrew H4317.
Strong was first published in 1890 while the Bible was completed in the first century. Strong reportedly based his lexicons on the work of respected contemporary scholars such as Brown, Driver, and Briggs, Fürst, Gesenius, Liddell & Scott, and Thayer. *The concordance is an excellent tool but are never meant to replace the Bible, but rather it enhances and help the Bible scholar by providing index.*
Greek Strong’s refers to [Gabriel] G1043 one of the angel princes or chiefs of the angels. Hebrew H1403 archangel.
Scripture only uses the phrase ‘archangel’ twice. *In both instances scripture is referring to Michael and not Gabriel.*
*Gabriel* Strong’s H1043 Dan 8:16; Dan 9:21; / G1043 [Origin Of Hebrew origin [H1403] ]Luke 1:19; Luke 1:26: Gabriel is referred to as Strong’s Definition an archangel. Thayers Definition "man of God" one of the angel princes or chiefs of the angels.
*One important FACT is that only Michael is referred to as ‘the one like God’.*
*Gabriel is never referred to as ‘the one like God’.*
An archangel is an angel of high rank and is derived from Greek literally ‘chief angel’ of origin. It appears only twice in the NT in the phrase "with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God" [1 Thessalonians 4:16] and in relation to "the archangel Michael" [Jude 9]. The corresponding but different Hebrew word in the Hebrew Scripture [OT] is found in two places as in "Michael, one of the chief princes" [Dan 10:13] and in "Michael, the great prince" [Dan 12:1].
*Michael [Greek Word Μιχαήλ]* Strong’s G3413 Jude 1:9; Rev 12:7
*Strongs Definition* - Michael an archangel
*Thayers Definition* Michael = "who is like God" the first of the chief princes
*Origin Of Hebrew* origin [H4317] Dan 12:1; Dan 10:13, 21 -etc
*Strong’s Definition* - Michael an archangel
*Thayers Definition* - Michael = "who is like God" - the first of the chief princes.
An extremely important point to consider is that in the complete Bible, no other being is mentioned to receive worship other than God the Father and Jesus.
*The Bible is crystal clear that Michael the Angel receives worship and He [Michael] did not advise Joshua to stop worshipping Him. [See Joshua **5:13**-15].* Unlike in Revelation 22:8-9. [cf. Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10], the angel advised John not to worship him. This in and of itself tells us that Michael is a divine being. *By accepting worship, He proved Himself to be more than an angel. The “captain of the host” was more than an angel; He was, in fact, none other than Christ Himself in human form. Joshua 6 is a continuation of the narrative of chapter **5:13**-15. In chapter 6:2 He designated by the divine name Lord.*
*Various other Commentaries - Additional Information:*
*John Wesley:* "Michael here is commonly supposed to mean Christ."
*John Gill:* "and is no other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated Angel; who is "one", or "the first of the chief Princes""
*1599 Geneva Study Bible:* "even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of angels."
*Charles Spurgeon (Baptist):* - Let the Lord Jesus Christ be for ever endeared to us, for through Him we are made to sit in heavenly places far above principalities and powers. He it is whose camp is round about them that fear Him; *He is the true Michael* whose foot is upon the dragon. All hail, Jesus! thou Angel of Jehovah’s presence, to Thee this family offers its morning vows. (Morning and Evening Daily Readings 556)
*Michael will always fight;* his holy soul is vexed with sin, and will not endure it. *Jesus will always be the dragon’s foe,* and that not in a quiet sense, but actively, vigorously, with full determination to exterminate evil. *(Ibid. 673)*
*Jonathan Edwards - Congregationalist:* When Lucifer rebelled and set up himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and set himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and drew away a great number of angels, *the Son of God, manifested himself as an opposite head,* and appeared graciously to dissuade and restrain by his grace the elect angels from hearkening to Lucifer’s temptation, so that they were upheld and preserved eternal destruction at this time of great danger by the free and sovereign distinguishing grace of Christ. *Herein Christ was the Saviour of the elect angels,* for thought he did not save them as he did elect men from the ruin they had already deserved, and were condemned to, and the miserable, state they were already in, yet he saved them from eternal destruction they were in great danger of, and otherwise would have fallen into with the other angels. *The elect angels joined with him, the glorious Michael, as their captain,* while the other angels hearkened to Lucifer and joined him, and then was that literally true that fulfilled afterwards figuratively. Rev xii. “When there was war in heaven : Michael and his angels fought against the dragon ; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not ; neither was there place found any more heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world ; he was case out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”- *(The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol. 2, Banner of Truth, 1979 reprint, p. 606.)*
*Brown's dictionary of the Bible and Wood's Spiritual Dictionary:* Brown's dictionary of the Bible on the words MICHAEL and ANGEL says, that both these words do sometimes refer to Christ; and also affirms that Christ is the Archangel.
*Lutheran E. W. Hengstenberg: Nineteenth-century Lutheran E. W. Hengstenberg said:* “The two passages in the New Testament, in which Michael is mentioned, serve to confirm the result already arrived at. That the *Michael* referred to in Rev. xii. 7 is *no other than the Logos,* has already been proved in my commentary upon that passage..” - Christology of the OT and a Commentary on the Messianic Predictions.
*Thomas Scott and Thomas Haweis - Anglican:* Daniel 12 "Verse 1: *Michael* signifies, Who is like God? And this name, with the title of “the great Prince, which standeth for the children of thy people,” *most clearly points out the divine Saviour; and cannot properly be understood of a created angel."* - (Thomas Scott was an Anglican priest and is principally known for his best-selling work A Commentary On The Whole Bible, and as one of the founders of the Church Missionary Society:)
*Adam M. Clarke's (1760 or 1762 - 1832) British Methodist theologian and Biblical scholar. Revelation 12 - Commentary on Michael:* Michael and his angels fought against the dragon - Michael was the man child which the woman brought forth."
*Abingdon Bible Commentary:* "The idea of the heavenly being who thus comes to view as a feature in old apocalyptic tradition is the source of the conception of the heavenly Messiah-the Son of Man. . . . We have already seen that the heavenly being 'like unto a son of man' of Dan. 7 was probably identified by the author . . . with Israel's angel-prince Michael; this angelic being was later, it would seem, invested with Messianic attributes, and so became the *pre-existent heavenly Messiah."* - *Abingdon Bible Commentary, p.846.*
"The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the pre-incarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the "child" and the archangel in Rev 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Daniel." - *John A. Lees, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1930, Vol. 3, page 2048*
*Trinitarian Bible scholar W. E. Vine (“recognized as one of the foremost Greek scholars”) writes* “voice of the archangel” (1 Thess. 4:16) is apparently “the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ”! - *p. 64, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.*
"This being 'a war in the heaven,' and waged by Michael, who is Christ (whose warfare is not like that of earthly kings), and by His messengers, is an intellectual and polemical warfare."- *J. D. Glasgow, Commentary on the Apocalypse (1872).*
Thank you for seeing me I was buried and faith was put into false names when Christiana name Michael in the same way they name Jesus the prince of Greece and Babylon spoken of in Daniel then and only then will Michael and the true body of Christ stand up . Then and only then will we be united in Christ and Michael is my human name my true name is Kell-EL my symbol is no cross and I'm not risen or ascending I will never be raised and sacrificed again . All debts paid once for all
Luke 1:19
And the ANGEL answering said unto him, I am GABRIEL, that STAND IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings
Daniel 9:21
Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the MAN GABRIEL, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused TO FLY SWIFTLY [angels do that, not men], touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
Daniel 9:25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the MESSIAH THE PRINCE shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me [ one and twenty days: but, lo, MICHAEL, one [THE FIRST ONE] of the chief PRINCES, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
Daniel 10:21
But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with ME [Gabriel] in these things, but MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE.
Now what "PRINCE" "holdeth with" the angel Gabriel who stands in the presence of God? MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE [Daniel 10:21] = MESSIAH THE PRINCE [Daniel 9:25 ]
Reading the Bible [Daniel] in context makes it very plain that "MICHAEL your PRINCE" is the MESSIAH the PRINCE; who can ONLY be Jesus Christ.
More:
Jude 1:9
Yet MICHAEL the ARCHANGEL [HEAD of the angels...for Michael was not created...He was begotten/born of the Father before His incarnation], when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Why/How would an "created" angel qualify to contend "with the devil" over "the body of Moses"?
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven WITH a SHOUT, with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God [angels sent of God with a great sound of a trumpet]: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Why would the "Lord Himself" shout with any other voice than His own...THE VOICE of THE Archangel?
Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
"MICHAEL and HIS angels"...angels that belong to, or are headed b,y MICHAEL. And Who could that be? Only Jesus Christ! Just like the "dragon" and "HIS angels" belong to, or are headed by, the DRAGON or Satan.
For the LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven WITH a SHOUT, *with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL,* and with the trump of God [angels sent of God with a great sound of a trumpet]: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
It says *with the voice of ARCHANGEL* It does not say something like an ARCHANGEL voice. So The Lord Jesus is an ANGEL and chief of the Angels. Col 1:15 shows he's firstborn of creation. If Jesus was God Almighty than his voice is above an ARCHANGEL voice. It would not be necessary to even mention an ARCHANGEL voice. Angels are spiritual creatures created by God after Michael (Jesus) so as Col 1:15 shows Jesus an angel was a created being (the first Angel) known as Michael.
@@stevehumphries4928
Your 'ideas' are spurious...for they are in gross contradiction to Scripture.
1. Jesus is NOT the Lord God Almighty...He is the only BEGOTTEN/Born SON OF the Lord God Almighty. Angels were NOT BORN into existence...they were created BY Christ.
2. Jesus was/is NOT a created being. ALL things were created BY Him.
3. Michael is the PRINCE...the Messiah...in harmony with Scriptural context.
I'll go with Inspiration
@@garytraversy5231 Hmmm … my comment shows Jesus was a created angel … so I have no idea how you came to such a conclusion that I believe Jesus is God Almighty. I never even said such a thing close to it. Obviously, angels are all created beings, Jesus is the only-begotten firstborn of all creation by his Father. This does not mean Jesus is eternal! Col 1:15. He had a beginning as John 1:1 states, "In the *beginning,* was the Word, and the Word was with God." Jehovah God is eternal so therefore has no beginning as the Word (Jesus) had a beginning who is with God at his beginning.
Concerning Jesus (also Michael) … God made him …“You made him a little lower than angels. . .” Hebrews 2:7 God Almighty could never be lower than the Angels.
The comment to you shows I disagree with you when you say, and I quote … “Yet MICHAEL the ARCHANGEL [HEAD of the angels...for Michael was not created...He was begotten/born of the Father before His incarnation]”.
It appears you believe Michael was not created and even is an incarnation of the Father. *You contradict yourself.* Even using Trinity term *incarnate* toward Michael being incarnate of the Father. You seem to believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel and not God Almighty but then state a Trinitarian belief toward Michael (instead of Jesus) being the incarnation of God … etc. *You contradict yourself* If you believe Jesus is not God Almighty and believe Jesus is Michael then how can you believe Jesus is not God Almighty, which it appears you don’t believe Jesus is God Almighty? *I call that one heck of a paradox.*
You say "Jesus was/is NOT a created being." this is another contradiction. How can Jesus be a created being and not be a created being? Another paradox.
All thing created by Jesus does not make him the creator. I created my own computer and many other things throughout my life … that does make me the creator of computers …or creator of the other things I made ... etc. John 8:28 Jesus was *taught* which shows he had to learn what the Father taught him … etc. Jesus is not even equal to his Father.
Creating something does not mean you're the creator of it ...
I have said nothing spurious according to the scriptures. You have implied wrongly of what I said! Please re-read if necessary. Also to clarify there are zero scriptures that imply any Angel is eternal! So I clarified that I don’t believe Jesus is God Almighty … please clarify as to what you actually believe?
If my notions are correct concerning your belief ... don't bother. It remains a contradiction a paradox ... that is not allowed 2 Tim 3:16,17. If you have an actual question to clarify a scripture than feel free to ask.
@@stevehumphries4928 Sorry Steve...Read your comments again where you stated: "If Jesus was God Almighty...." I simply stated, in rebuttal to same, that Jesus was NOT God Almighty to refute your irrelevant 'argument' regarding the "voice of the Archangel". I cannot make any sense of your conflicted 'arguments' and nonsensical analogies completely devoid of Scriptural support. You are all over the map. So I'll leave you with your own private interpretations of Scripture.
@@garytraversy5231 LOL ... sure ...
Thanks Bro.Nader.
I love the truths that where brought forth by the early adventists,I still cling to them,good message today!
I’m getting it!
Brilliant explanation of how Christ is also Jehovah. How being the Only Begotten Son of Jehovah he is the only one worthy to use His name. For Christ even tells us that he comes in the name of the Father. JOHN 5:43.
Regina Diehl Jesus Christ is not Jehovah according to scriptures Acts 3:13.
@@ctglenn1 correct. Jesus definitely is not Jehovah. Jesus was always very careful not to get that twisted.
Babylon get behind me
Thank you, thank you so much. Praise the Most High God
Very interesting video..
Exodus 23:20-23 Spot on! Jesus/Michael called Angel of Jehovah.
For everyone who comes to Christ there is rejoicing in Heaven! MORE rejoicing after the final casting out of ALL evil from Heaven!!!
Our works come FROM HIS Holy Spirit living IN us!!!
What an eye-opener regarding the second war in heaven after Christ ascended to Heaven. When you asked the question " Were there people being accused BEFORE Adam and Eve fell? None. That was the key. Some Adventist preachers have preached about this War in Heaven, about Michael being Jesus Christ but this second war in Heaven after Christ as a resurrected, glorified Man occurring is totally new. You are an instrument of God. Thank God for you.
My husband prays To Jesus Christ Yeshuah! I pray to God through His Son! Is this acceptable?
Great elaborate video.
Archangel, simply means, head over the angels.
It's Ark as in I am the ArK of the covenant I was the eternal flame before antichrist new testament and when my chosen see the light I bring salvation through the renewal of the covenant and true understanding of the cross and judgement aswell as reality. I am from the beginning so I am Aramonic and luciferin I'm the true bridge between the double minded scriptures and between the old testament and new testament. Also Angel is angles and principalitys
Nice message Nader
If in the 412 i could use help preparing. I will be at St.Michaels in mt Lebanon at 311 Brownsville rd tomorrow in the physical.
So enjoying this, thank you Br. Nader. There is just one thing I would like to ask: Is the Father not unique and in this only way different from His Son in that He can see the end from the beginning. "Declaring the end from the beginning"(Isa 46:10)
and Mark 13:32
‘But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. He who from all eternity has decreed the time when this day is to come, is pleased to hide it in the hidden depths of his own counsels.
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The word knoweth in the text, is properly understood to mean declareth. Jesus is all knowing as the father; because the father ordain this to be so. Blessings
@@jasondennis7940
"Concerning that day and hour *nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son,* but *only the Father.”* Matthew 24:36
“A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God *gave* him, . . .” Revelation 1:1
“. . .but just as the Father *taught* me, I speak these things. . .” John 8:28
“. . .Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I *teach is not mine,* but belongs to him who sent me.” John 7:16
So it's obvious by Jesus' own words and testimony shows he did not know the day and hour of the end of satan & mankind's rule. And he only knows what the Father *taught* him. If you have to be *taught* something then obviously he not all-knowing! And since what he *taught* was his Father and not his ... means the thing he taught came from his Father and not his teaching. And since a revelation was *given* by his Father means it did not come from him and or he could not give the revelation till it was *given* to him. So again he did not know the revelation till it was *given* to him.
You do notice in the scriptures ... that what everything Jesus has was *given* to him by his Father. The simple reasoning is this means at one time he did not have it till it was given to him.
*It's pretty obvious ... Jesus himself disagrees with you*
@@stevehumphries4928
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have a different view on these verses, let me show you why:
The two verses from John you quoted refer to Jesus' ministry on earth, not in heaven. They might also apply for the divine mind of the preexistent Son of God (even thought that's an interpretation), but that still does not necessarily say that Jesus lacks certain information in his divinity. It could just reveal that he acknowledges the Father as the source of his divinity.
And concerning Rev 1:1: It does not give us the time when God gave Christ this revelation. From my point of view, this "revelation" doesn't consist of certain information, but of His self. For the Greek actually does not say "revelation by Jesus Christ", but "Jesus Christ's revelation". I believe God gave Jesus his own revelation when he begat him in the days of eternity past.
Mat 24:36: The interpretation Jason Dennis gave is definitely within the bounds of possibility. Paul also uses the the word "to know" in the sense of "to make known" in 1 Co 2:2.
If all things were created by Jesus Christ (1 Co 8:6), I don't see why there should be things about his own creation he doesn't understand or know. If he was truly begotten of the Father, I don't see why there should be knowledge or power which the Father reserved. If he really is His son, the headship of the Father to the son does not refer to his capabilities, but to his descent and relationship. For we also do not beget our children to a lower level of capabilities.
@@mattisfichte1730
Don't get me wrong I view Jesus as the Son of God, and he deserves honor and respect and obedience ... etc. But I don't view him as Almighty God ... that strictly belongs to the Father (Jehovah). The problem is teaching Jesus is God or equal to God or a Trinity of Gods is false. And God demands to worship him in spirit and truth (John 4:23, 24). False worship gives false hope!
So ... I would have to disagree with your conclusions ... Jesus having to be *taught* by his Father definitely tells us he is not on the same level in age and knowledge ... that is a simple fact. The Bible tells God is eternal and it tells us Jesus has a beginning (begotten). God is not begotten and Jesus is. Nothing in scripture says anything remotely that Jesus is equal and eternal ... it's false and unscriptural. By Jesus own words he says, *"A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly instructed will be like his teacher."* - Luke 6:40. Having to be *taught* by his Father (a perfect instructor) made Jesus like his Father ... it does not make him the Father. Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as his Father. John 5:19 was an accusation by the Jews who wanted to kill him. All because Jesus said God was his Father. He never claimed to be equal. It was a ridiculous accusation since the Jews also claimed God as their Father (John 8:41). Are the Jews equal to the Father? And at John 5:19 Jesus clearly denies their accusation. John Chapter 8 Jesus calls them liars and that their Father is Satan. So their accusations were false. It makes not a bit of sense to believe these Jews' religious leaders accusations since Jesus himself called them not only liars but their Father, was Satan a liar!
Your conclusion is illogical. Jesus was always the Son at his beginning. Col 1:15. Having a beginning (created by God alone) does not change where he came from ... he still comes to us from God. But there nothing in scripture to conclude that Jesus did not know something just because he was on earth. Revelation 1:1 proves you wrong ... as your own statement say's, "does not give us the *time* when God gave Christ this revelation." Since the information was *given* to him, it definitely tells us that there was a time he did not have it!
And Jesus gave credit as the creator to his Father, just because he helped create things, doesn't make him the creator. Any more than me when I designed and created my own computer make me the creator of the computer.
When on earth Jesus said no one has seen God at any time (John 1:18). After Jesus resurrection and at his accession back to heaven 500 plus persons saw Jesus (1 Cor 15:6). At 1 John 4:12 John still reports *no one has seen God at any time*. After his resurrection, he answers this question by his apostle, “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?”7He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his *own jurisdiction.* or as his *own power.* So the Father has his own power separate from Jesus. Which, Jesus is submissive to and follows the commandments of his Father (John 15:10; John 8:29).
Revelation1:1 word for word ᾿Αποκάλυψις *Revelation* Ἰησοῦ *of Jesus* Χριστοῦ, *Christ,* ἣν *which* ἔδωκεν *gave* αὐτῷ *to him* ὁ *the* θεὸς *God* δεῖξαι to show τοῖς to the δούλοις
slaves αὐτοῦ, of him,ἃ which (things) δεῖ it is binding γενέσθαι to occur ἐν in τάχει, quickness, καὶ and ἐσήμανεν he showed by signs ἀποστείλας having sent off διὰ
through τοῦ the ἀγγέλου angel αὐτοῦ of him τῷ to the δούλῳ slave αὐτοῦ of him Ἰωάνει, to John.
Jesus is not the God that gave him the revelation. If Jesus is the God that already knew it, then such a statement is absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary. There is so much more that proves Jesus is not equal with his Father. I really don't understand how anybody could come to such a conclusion.
“. . .May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.” Psalm 83:18 The Jews worshipped one God *alone* by the name of Jehovah. They did not worship a Trinity God. When they did worship false Gods, God left them. But another fact by Jesus Christ who said, “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him *alone* you must render sacred service." - Luke 4:8 So I believe Jesus words ... that Jehovah the Father is the one *alone* to be worshipped.
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Comparing Jesus at Mt 24:36 and Paul at 1 Cor 2:2 is not the same. Jesus Christ was speaking about the time of the end and gave signs\prophecies to show when it was the time of the end … then stating he did not know the hour ... etc. Paul at 1 Cor 2:2 is about how he preached the message (concerning his speech) of Jesus Christ.
“I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come with an extravagance of speech or of wisdom declaring the sacred secret of God to you. *For I decided not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ, and him impaled.* And I came to you in weakness and in fear and with much trembling; *and my speech* and what I preached were not with persuasive *words of wisdom* but with a demonstration of spirit and power, that your faith might be, *not in men’s wisdom,* but in God’s power.” -1 Cor 2:1-5
It’s ok to take 1 scripture and explain its meaning … but what not ok is removing the context of its meaning …
it far from being similar ...
& at the Name of Jesus Christ Yeshuah, every knee should bow!
Wasn’t Lucifer an archangel? Think what he gave up by desiring worship! Other angles refused worship!
This is a hard pill to swallow for some because they can’t get over the fact that Angel means messenger and those messengers that are called Angels are actually Cherubims and Seraphims. I shared some scriptures with a person on who Michael is/was revealed that no one has the power to resurrect but God and Christ going to Daniel 12:1-2 “thy people shall be delivered ....... and many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake” then John 5:25,28-29 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and that was like throwing a bucket of water into the ocean, didn’t change anything still wasn’t convince
That is because Daniel 12: 1-2, does not state that Michael raises the dead, only that he stands up for the people of God, at that time.
John 5, says that Christ has the power to raise the dead with His voice.
1 Thessalonians 4, makes a distinction between Christ and His shout and the Archangel, when it would have been simple enough to say that "Christ the Archangel shall shout with His voice", if they were the same being.
The Bible never explicitly identifies Michael as the Lord Almighty, but it does say Christ is the Lord. Christ is the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament and that Angel is never identified as Michael.
Since that is the case, why insist that Christ is Michael ?
Is it necessary for sanctification and salvation ?
Nader Mansour said that this occur after Christ ascension in heaven. If that is the case, Satan could not temp Eve in the Garden of Eden because he did not rebels yet against our Lord Jesus Christ in heaven because Satan is waiting for the ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ in heaven.
The Vision of War in Heaven:
Revelation 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
BEAUTIFUL!!!! GOD BLESS YOU!!!!
Paul states in Hebrews 1:5 "For into which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten thee? Here, Paul states that none of the angels are called the Son of God. Also, Heb. 1:6 states that all angels are to worship the Son,(Jesus). Please read Heb. 1:4-9. Jesus is made superior to, and His Name is superior to angels
The word 'Archangel' is a title, it is not a proper noun, it is a common noun which identifies the position that Michael holds. [Michael] is a noun, and [angel] is a noun; but [Archangel] depicts the position which Michael holds, it is NOT HIS PERSON, it is in fact his title.
His position is Chief/Captain of the LORDS Host. And we must ask the question, just who might be the Chief/Captain of the LORDS Host, might it not be Jesus Christ Himself?
And yet, Revelation 19:11-16 proves that He is.
There are also many who will dispute the fact that Jesus might ever be referred to as an Angel, those who do so need only study Revelation 8:3-4 to see otherwise.
Notice: “And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.” Revelation 8:3-4
This angel is Jesus, as Jesus is the only mediator between God and man, therefore it can only be Him, as no-one else can offer up the prayers of the saints to the Father, and this, in the Most Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary. And you would also know that no-one ministers in the Most Holy Place, but the High Priest.
In verse 5 we see this angel cast the sensor to the earth.
“And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.” Revelation 8:5
This is the moment when the High Priest ceases His ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary, it is therefore the close of probation, and the time that Michael stands up to receive His Kingdom in Daniel 12:1.
“And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” Daniel 12:1
God Bless
@@thewatchman7093 Michael is not the only "chief" angel, there are others:
Daniel 10:13
"...Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia."
See my comments I just posted for the reasons according to the scriptures why Michael is not Jesus.
@@ctglenn1 The term “Michael the Archangel” simply means the “chief of the angels who is like God.”
It is clear, as we harmonize scripture that this is a reference to Christ.
The name Michael in Hebrew means “who is like God.”
He is called Michael “the Archangel” in Jude 9. Meaning that there is only “One Archangel,” you cannot have it any other way.
It is for this reason that He is referred to as “One of the chief princes in Daniel 10:13. The word “one” in this context denotes “first,” meaning that He is first, the Prince of angels, the Head of all principality and power; is none other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated Angel; who is “one,” or “the first of the chief Princes” (x), superior to angels, in nature, name, and office; he came to “help” Gabriel, not as a fellow creature, but as the Lord of hosts; not as a fellow soldier, but as General of the armies in heaven and earth, as superior to him in wisdom and strength; and he helped him by giving him fresh counsels, orders, and instructions, which he following, succeeded.
The word which is translated as "one" in Daniel 10:13 is the Hebrew word H259, (ekh•äd'), and it is translated “first,” 36 times in other verses of the KJV.
Would you prefer to believe that this word should have been translated as “first” in the KJV, or would you rather believe that “one” is correct, so that you can hold to your erroneous interpretation, and deny the clear teaching of Jude, that there is only “one Archangel?”
@@thewatchman7093 When the LAMB opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. 3 And ANOTHER angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, 4 and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel. 5 Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings,[a] flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. Bolded for emphasis. The very beginning of revelation 8 Shows that Jesus the LAMB opened the 7th seal. Then it talks about 7 Angels before God with 7 trumpets. THEN it says ANOTHER angel came and stood at the altar. The first part of revelation 8 Shows a clear distinction between the LAMB (Jesus) &7 angels before GOD and then ANOTHER angel. If it had meant Lamb again it would have said so? Can someone clarify this for me?
@@brianlovesjesus7056 The book of Revelation has a complexity that many have not identified, and you have touched upon one of the complexities that pertains to its structure.
The book of Revelation is revealed to us by signs and symbols, but one of the particular aspects that are rarely discussed, or searched out, is that of the structure in which the book is revealed to us.
God willing, I will attempt to shine a glimmer of light on the text to which you have questioned, but much of what I will say might only be confirmed by prayerful study.
The seven churches, the seven seals, and the seven trumpets are all representations of the same period of time in earth's history, although each are looking at the same time periods from a different perspective. One might liken it to the different perspectives that we see when studying the Gospels of Matthew Mark and Luke. When we compare these Gospels to each other, we find many of the same stories, although they are presented to us from different perspectives in each of the Gospels, each having different information from the other.
The first church, the first seal, and the first trumpet, each represent the period of the apostolic age.
As concerning the seven plagues, these are ushered in during the period of the seventh church, the seventh seal, and seventh trumpet.
In Revelation 8:1 we find the seventh seal opened by Christ.
“And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.” Rev 8:1
The half hour of silence in Heaven is the time in which Jesus returns with His Angels to harvest the earth, this is during the dreadful time when the plagues are being poured out upon the earth. So we are to understand that the seventh seal is broken at the second coming.
Revelation 8:2-5 is actually an introductory vision which covers the entire period from the first trumpet, to the pouring out of the plagues, which is the seventh trumpet.
Verses 2-5 give us the beginning and ending points of the entire trumpet series. The starting point is when the intercessory work of Jesus begins in the holy place on the Day of Pentecost.
The ending point is when Jesus casts the censer to the ground, there is thunder, lightning, voices and an earthquake (Revelation 8:5); probation closes and the temple fills with smoke. Revelation 15:5-8
So how do we know that the Angel officiating at the altar is Jesus?
It was the High Priest, and the High Priest alone who burned incense on the Golden Altar (Exodus 30:7, 8). The golden altar of incense was nearest to the Ark of the Covenant that represents the throne of God. In fact, its orientation was toward the mercy seat in the most holy place (Exodus 30:6).
The book of Hebrews places the censer and the incense in the most holy place of the Heavenly Sanctuary (Hebrews 9:3, 4).
The fire is a symbol of the Holy Spirit, and the incense represents the prayers of the saints mingled with the merits of Jesus, our High Priest, therefore, the Angel with the Golden Censor can be none other than Jesus Christ, as He is our High Priest.
While Jesus is sending up the prayers of the saints to the Father, it is obvious that mercy still pleads for the repentant sinner, but once the censor is cast down, probation has closed, and mercy has fulfilled her work, it is then that we will hear the following words.
"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:11-12
Christ was here b4 the world was b4 the hills were brought forth or the fountains abounded! In His words!
Again: Christ is called the Word of God. John 1: 1-3. He is so called because God gave His revelations to man in all ages through Christ. It was His Spirit that inspired the prophets . 1 Peter 1:10,11. He was revealed to them as the Angel of Jehovah, the Captain of the Lord's host, Michael the Archangel. PP 761.5
Strong's says it is a question. How do we know if it's a question or a factual statement?
آمين
We were were ALL created like God Almighty and HIS only Begotten Son Jesus Christ Yeshua!
Amen 🤲🏽
Michael the Archangel is still an angel a created being. Jesus is the Creator. Hebrews 1:6 says let all the angels of God worship Him. That includes the archangel Michael
Jesus came as man to save humans. I always understood that at one time Jesus was the 'prime Minister' under God... Who was the Host of Host, whom was over the angels. But not a created being, the only Begotten Son of God.
Actually the son becomes the father and the father becomes the son and I have a son his name is Micah Russell born from spiritual birth along with a entire generation of children of God . and all debts been paid no more child sacrifice and death cults for it's save the children stop the child sacrifice and Satarn cycle
Gods son identifies with the angels,he is the leader of the angels,but not an angel,not a created being as said in this youtube by Nader
@marymashni3385 no
Angel is an english word,look at the hebrew,and you will find he is the leader of the angels,angel also means messenger.
In the ot,the angel of the lord went before isreal,and my name will be in him(God)
Jacob worshipped the angel of the lord,Daniel bowed before Gabriel,and Gabriel told him to stand up,i am just a servant
I need the transcript bro. Takes too long to wade thru the gentleness. Please send me the PDF bro
Awesome message. Thank you brother Nader.
Anyone one true God movement in the are of maryland ? Me and hubby are looking for one true God folks to fellowship together.
We are never to worship angels!
HIS Name is IN us as well! We are never to be worshipped!
We have God Almighty EL’s Name IN us , HIS Holy Spirit!
Commander of the LORDS host! Yes Gabriel was an archangel as well as Michael the Archangel!We were created LIKE God Almighty! God Almighty EL’s a Spirit and we worship HIM in spirit and Truth! Jesus Christ Yeshua
It's Kell-EL I am in the spirit and the flesh and I am sovereign I am also my own person and a human a simple man trying do what's right I am no better then anyone . Worship and glory I do not seek for self but for my true family and friends. And we can only save those who are willing to save there selves. Also I was crucified so I keep to the shadows and my circle small . Most calling for the savior call on me for sacrifice I will never be put on the stake again . If you want the image you will loath me . Love and goodwill to you
In Isa 9:6 Jesus is called the "Prince of peace."
HIS Name is IN ALL us who have Christ Jesus Yeshua as LORD and Saviour!!!
I'm confused; Exodus 23:21 says" for he will NOT pardon your transgressions" so how is it you say (at 13:09) he can pardon our sins?
Christ is the only begotten Son of God, therefore Jesus can forgive us our sins.
@@bonjourincali Thanks for that, I firmly believe that Christ has authority to judge and to forgive, but I'm trying to see the link between that fact and Ex 23:21 that says the angel of the LORD will not pardon your transgression. ??
@@azazelsgoat See verse 19 The LORD (Jehovah) is speaking and then in verse 21 remember Jehovah is saying, "Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.". So if one would rebel ... then God gave him the authority not to pardon them. As with Jehovah gave Samson not only the strength gave him authority to cause havoc to the against the Philistines
... etc.
This notion of teaching that only God Almighty can forgive or punish sinners only is unscriptural. Especially since he gives such authority to others ... “. . .For the Father judges no one at all, but he has *entrusted all the judging to the Son,* 23 so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.. . .” John 5:22, 23
Is there a clue in the Hebrew?
But The Dragon could not represnt the earth for 4000 years in heaven, he could not access heaven, he had no access to heaven after his fall, what was he represent in heaven, no such scripture exist only assumed by people, especialy when they read Job, Rev 12 is talking about war in heaven before the fall of Adam on earth, that is before earth wa created, the same story is emphasized in Ezekiel 14, Isaiah 8.
Jesus, the Son of God always have represented the belivers in heaven, the first believer was Adam both in his unfallen and fallen conditions.
Please, what you are saying is not true partly.
Evil is never represented in heaven. The devil usurped earth from Adam, he became the ruller of this earth but not a representative of anybody in heaven, because even evil men were not represented in heaven by Satan, only the believers were and are represented in heaven by Jesus at all times.
NADER don't let SDA teachings led you to teach this. There are a few problems with believing Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
1. Michael is not the only "chief" angel, there are others:
Daniel 10:13
"...Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia."
2. Jesus is not the angel of the Lord, the angel was still giving messages when Jesus was on earth.
Matthew 2:13
"...the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."
Matthew 2:19-20
19 "But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, 20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life."
3. God speaks about Jesus in comparison to the angels at "any time" has he spoke to angels(This would include Michael, because at any time) in the same way.
Hebrews 1:5
"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"
4. In all the Gospels, especially in the book of John, Michael is never mentioned. There are many claims about who Jesus was, especially in the book of John, where Jesus says all of the "I am" claims and others say who Jesus was, is, claimed to be, and even others made claims about him and there never was a claim from anyone, for him or against him, claiming he was Michael the Archangel!
"And lo, Michael, first of the chief heads..." Dan 10:13 Young's Literal Translation. The marginal reading in the KJV uses "first" in place "chief". I understand it to mean Michael is head or first in authority over all these principalities. See Rev 1:5 where Christ is referred to as "Prince of the kings of the earth".
A Hanson I think you may be mistaken, that translation has “first” in place of the word “one” and the it replaces the word “princes” with “heads”. It’s odd for you to use that one version which is clearly incorrect, because I looked at 26 other top translations and they all have the word “one” of the... chief princes (or commanders, archangels, strongest guardian angels...). The KJV and at least 20 others say “one of the chief princes” and all the other versions though having different words agree with my point, except that the “one” version you happen to have quoted.
ctglenn 1. Your first point is the strongest and most conclusive.
Michael is called ONE OF, the chief princes.
Even if we take the odd translation "First of the chief heads" that still places him as on rank with them and not their Lord.
As for your other points, they are weak to me.
Christ being the Logos, the Word of manifestation of the Father, is God and an Infinite Being, so He can be developing as a baby in the womb, the Incarnation and yet be the Angel of the Lord , making the announcement.
Mathew 2 : 19 is definitely not applicable since it says AN angel of the Lord and not THE angel.
Good work nonetheless. Thank you for helping to rebuke heresy.
@ctglenn1 I have posted this reply to you elsewhere in this thread in reply to your comments to my post to David Dilworth.
I decided to re-post it here as I believe it may be beneficial to others in this thread.
The term “Michael the Archangel” simply means the “chief of the angels who is like God.”
It is clear, as we harmonize scripture that this is a reference to Christ.
The name Michael in Hebrew means “who is like God.”
He is called Michael “the Archangel” in Jude 9.
Meaning that there is only “One Archangel,” you cannot have it any other way.
It is for this reason that He is referred to as “One of the chief princes in Daniel 10:13. The word “one” in this context denotes “first,” meaning that He is first, the Prince of angels, the Head of all principality and power; is none other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated Angel; who is “one,” or “the first of the chief Princes” (x), superior to angels, in nature, name, and office; he came to “help” Gabriel, not as a fellow creature, but as the Lord of hosts; not as a fellow soldier, but as General of the armies in heaven and earth, as superior to him in wisdom and strength; and he helped him by giving him fresh counsels, orders, and instructions; which he following, succeeded.
The word which is translated as "one" in Daniel 10:13 is the Hebrew word H259, (ekh•äd'), and it is translated “first,” 36 times in other verses of the KJV.
Would you prefer to believe that this word should have been translated as “first” in the KJV, or would you rather believe that “one” is correct, so that you can hold to your erroneous interpretation, and deny the clear teaching of Jude, that there is only “one Archangel?”
@@thewatchman7093 Before we discuss your points, please tell me why it is important to accept that Michael is a name of Christ ?
You , Nader and many Adventists make a big deal about this.
How does it relate to salvation or sanctification ?
Christ Jesus Yeshua lead the people in the cloud ⛅️ in the wilderness
When the LAMB opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. 3 And ANOTHER angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, 4 and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel. 5 Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings,[a] flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. Bolded for emphasis. The very beginning of revelation 8 Shows that Jesus the LAMB opened the 7th seal. Then it talks about 7 Angels before God with 7 trumpets. THEN it says ANOTHER angel came and stood at the altar. The first part of revelation 8 Shows a clear distinction between the LAMB (Jesus) &7 angels before GOD and then ANOTHER angel. If it had meant Lamb again it would have said so? Can someone clarify this for me?
yeah, ur right.
To my understanding, it's Christ. The reason whythat it is the end of Mercy (censer thrown to the earth). And we know that He is the High Priest-King. No other can do His work.
I counted the letters in MichaEL! 7 letters! God Almighty EL’s perfect number!
Amen
hey brother your videos are very enlightning, so thank you for that. I just have one question what is the difference between begotten and created? aren't they the same or at least similar?
They are different. Adam was created and Jesus was begotten. Adam and Eve were both created, Adam from the dust of the ground and Eve from the side of Adam, but their children and every other man after them were begotten. You could use born for begotten also.
Justin Martyr said that Jesus was born from God just as a woman has a baby. Then somehow through Jesus, God created all other things. Jesus is eternal as he was created in the dimension where there is no time. Space time is only associated with our physical universe. So I would assume also that angels are eternal as they were created in eternity, that dimension where there is no space or time only spirit. Luke 20:38 says God is not a God of the dead but of those who live. What he is saying is that although we in linear time are awaiting Abraham's resurrection John 5:28, God is already communing with his friend Abraham in a future time. This is how he knows the end before the beginning. He can transverse the past, present or future. He does not predestinate. He just knows. Check out some of Hugh Ross's older videos on God and dimensions.
@@melissareid1595 Amazing, I guess we have a few things in common, I have been reading some of the quotes of the early church fathers including Justin, and am also a fan of Hugh Ross and watched some of his videos. I use to be involved With the Jehovah's Witnesses, however I no longer am, however they just seem to not see much of a difference between begotten or created. They also believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Those who believe in the Trinity think begotten just means unique and that he was eternally begotten, whatever that means.
@@jaythorn8733 I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses but I watch videos of Hugh Ross, Nader Mansour of course, J. Wallace, John Lennox, Frank Turek among others. Some are trinitarians and I disagree with the trinity but these guys have so many valuable ideas to share I just have to cut them some slack. Nader is amazing against the trinity and also on Michael the Archangel. There is one point that I differ with him and that is the meaning of "who is like God." I checked in Strong's (another amazing resource) and "who" is an interrogative pronoun. It is asking the question "Who is like God?" The JWs have it right. It is a challenge. It is not a statement of likeness. But Nader has it right on the rest. Ellen White along with a long list of former evangelists Charles Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, Wesley, John Calvin, Jonathan Edwards among others thought that Michael and Jesus were the same. Doug Bachelor also thinks that Michael is Jesus although how he fits that in with the trinity I don't understand. Don't you think many evangelists of our day defend the trinity because they don't want to offend their base. Yes God is mysterious and we will never understand him completely but one thing I know is He is not a God of contradictions. Don't you wish you had Isaac Newton on speed dial to call him and ask him questions on these topics. He wrote more on theology than physics. He was a closet antitrinitarian. I hope to meet him in the resurrection and get some answers. You know that he predicted that Jesus would set up his millennial kingdom in 2065. I hope we don't have to wait that long.
@@melissareid1595
Hello Melissa, I am SDA but have friends who are Jehova's Witnesses. I like your open mind and willingness to learn. I try to be that way. hope I do like wrestling with big thoughts and to love the questions as much as the answers!
I used to be somewhat sure of myself, somewhat cocky. But God has humbled me so that I have come to put great value on sharing and being open to learning and understanding another's point, even if not agreeing with it. I guess I have become more curious and caring and less dogmatic.
Having my church becoming more strongly Trinitarian has given me great sadness. I love my church and all our teachings- except 3 Gods in One. (I have friends and I know of Pastors who if they speak about their belief in Jesus being the literal Son of God and not simply a role He played in the salvation of man, they have been disfellowshipped.)
It breaks my heart. We should be like the Berean's and diligencently search the Scriptures for our self, without the fear that we will not be accepted in our communities if we see something from another angle.
God bless you in your discoveries.
A Sister in Christ
Michael, who is Son of God, is referring Satan to a higher ranking person. the Father is of higher rank than the Son. See 1Corinthians 15:27-28: "For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
Conclusion: "just like God", but not in rank.
I was passing through Scripture through the verses that I myself know too, but just now it passed this question through my mind. Why the Father doesn’t say “I send you my Son before thee” instead of “I send you an Angel” (mal'âk), which basically means “messenger”, in Exodus 23:20 and the other verses of the Old Testament? Why didn’t He called Him by its status of Son? There is no clear declaration of a Son in whole Old Testament, but a Son that it is to come. So, I just wonder, why all this secrecy? If there was a Son in heaven already, why not call Him by its status? Why there is no direct Scripture which states that Michael the archangel is the Son of Elohim (God) way before incarnation? Just a thought. And, what about this verse: “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.” (Daniel 10:13) It says clearly “one of the chief princes”, so we can clearly deduct that there are other “chief princes”. The word for “one” in hebrew is -'echâd - meaning properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: - a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one); so in our text I think that “one” and “alike” can both fit well with the context, so by the text itself we easily understand that Michael is “one of the chief princes”, and there are other chief princes like him. Just thinking. Blessings to all in Yahushua Ha Mashiyach! He is coming soon!
Michael is not Jesus . I thought u understand scripture then this . Michael is one of the chief princes meaning there is more . So according to you there is more ppl equal to Jesus status
Nader Mansour
Michael the archangel is not our Lord Jesus Christ. It was a fight between to the two angels which is Michael the archangel and Lucifer in heaven. If Jesus will fight with Lucifer, by His Word alone he will be eliminated in heaven without the help of His angels.
The Vision of War in Heaven:
Revelation 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
We’re ALL made in God’s image!
Michael is a arkangle for jesus. Helps God
The Genesis Apocryphon (1QapGen) repeats information from Genesis. The Qumran Scrolls, also indicate that Melchizedek was used as a name of the Archangel Michael, interpreted as a heavenly priest; Michael as Melchi-zedek contrast with Belial, who is given the name of Melchi-resha 'king of wickedness'.
It strikes my mind that all the ways we humans try to be like God or produce our own RIGHTEOUSNESS is equivalent to Antichrist Spirit or aka in the PLACE OF CHRIST..which is illustrated by CAIN IN THE BEGINNING when he offered His own fruits INSTEAD of the LAMB WHICH REPRESENTED THE SON OF GOD.
THIS also is Babylon....the multitudinous ways to God. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD. the ONLY DOOR OF ESCAPE FROM BABYLON.
My question to you is, how was Satan able to be in the presence of God and not perish? Wouldn’t Gods glory have consumed him due to sin?
We have to get a handle on " sin " " transgression" " iniquity" i.e thought ,action ,recalcitrance. God is a consuming fire to iniquity. Satan was perfect in all his ways until iniquity was found in him. Satan had resolved to never do the Father's will. Thus denying God as the river of life. As God is a consuming fire to iniquity Satan should have been immediately consumed by the Fathers Glory,but so many seeds of deception causing confusion had been sown that God had to reveal to His loyal subjects what the consequences of Satans agenda of compulsion were. God started by casting Satan and his followers into an area of His creation known as outer darkness or the deep. There they were left to establish what they could without Divine input. Time passed and God's angels were none the wiser . The fallen angels were like watching a large crowd waiting for a bus that did not exist. Eventually to progress things God said " let there be light" and the beginning of our creation started . God was going to allow his angels witness Lucifer giving us knowledge at the tree of knowledge of good and evil .In time Gods angels would have realised that Satan of himself had nothing to offer and that testimony would have caused their destruction in the lake of fire. Unfortunately Adam gave Lucifer access to the minds of men anywhere anytime. When Gods angels witnessed Lucifer angels inciting men to torture Jesus on the day of his death to prove that under pressure he would let go of his trust in God they ceased to have any contact or interest in Lucifer's angels. John records this "the prince of this world is judged"
He's immortal. Humans are not so they would cease to exist. That's why God removed the first pair out of Eden. Otherwise He would have ceased to exist as soon as iniquity was found in him.
Michael the ark angel is also in Daniel and revelations
Revelation 12. I understood this way since long. The conversation between God and Satan about Job would make no sense otherwise. And we know when it happened: after the meeting with Mary at the tomb / on the day of the first fruits ("dont touch because I didnt ascend to my Father") and the meeting with Thomas ("touch me, put your fingers in my wounds"). We can be more precise: On the day of the first fruits, at 9:00 AM (Israel time), Jesus presents himself to His Father (mentionned in Revelation 4 & 5) and His sarifice is accepted. Right after must be the fight that throw Satan forever out of the heavens. He had 4000 years probation time. But at killing the Son of God, he had shown his character till the bitter end. This will repeat at the end of human probation, where he will (try to) kill faithful ones. Anyway, thanks brother Nader, you brought me further with other details in this chapter.
Brother Nader, when you quote Isaiah 45 (at 21mn22s), you say that it is the Father who speaks to say that he is the only God and that he created everything. Yet in Isaiah 45 is it not Jesus who speaks and who says that he created everything? thank you for your reply
God the Father speaks through his word. Jesus speaks the words of God.
Jesus never refered to Himself as Michael the archangel. When Paul asked on the road to Damascus who are you lord. He said I,m Jesus Christ whom youre persecuting. Michael is one of the chief princes. Jesus is not one of any. But the only begotten son of God. You give a very convincing presentation. But the general of the army is not the president. You are making Jesus Christ the Creator an angel acreated being. When did He ever say to any of the angels sit at my right hand?
In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being. In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it].
John 1:1, 3-5 AMP
According to the above inspired scripture before Christ was incarnated as a Human (Jesus) he was the "Word" of God who was co-equal with God the Father & God the Holy Spirit in EVERY WAY! He is the second person of the Holy Trinity (the word used to describe the doctrine throughout the Holy Scriptures). ALL the persons in the Trinity shares in ALL the attributes- omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence & are eternal. ALL of them in nature are eternal- no beginning, not formed by accident, not born by any means (natural/unnatural), not created by anyone/anything!!! All of them are perfect, immortal, indestructible! All of them cannot cease to exist!!!
So we see here that Christ CANNOT be an Archangel Michael (who is a angel of war & when God want to execute His judgement). Archangel Michael & Archangel Gabriel & former Archangel Lucifer too are created beings who are created by Christ himself! They are but servants of Christ!!!
Moreover, the resurrection of Moses is assumed! No clear evidence & purpose for it too!
Also, just for agruement sake even if Archangel Michael was Christ then why would he share the redemption plan of God (that He would pay the price by His death on the cross!?). If the devil was told the redemption plan then he would not have assisted in it (Then Satan entered Judas, the one called Iscariot, who was one of the twelve [disciples].
Luke 22:3 AMP).
Moreover, the name Michael (Hebrew "Mikha’el") The breakup of the Hebrew name is
(1) "Mikha" meaning “who is like"
&
(2) "El" which means "God”.
We must understand that this name is NOT a statement but a... rhetorical question posed to reiterate that there is absolutely NO thing/being in ALL creation that is like God!!!
I’ve never been able to understand that Scripture of the woman giving birth & Christ caught up to God!
I disagree with you! Satan was the first Archangel When were the angels created?
Give me the verse where does it say Satan was the archangel, let me give a hint there's none.
Love your stuff Nader but I have a slight disagreement with your assessment of the name Michael. According to Strong's it is a question, Who is like God? 4317. Also see Strong's 4320 which is Miykayah. Another question asking who is like Jah? Strong's says the who is an interrogative pronoun so I view it as a challenge saying who can compare to my father? Michael is ready to defend God's reputation not so much that he is like his father. Thank you for your clear explanations regarding Ellen White and the trinity. I have used your arguments with some of my Adventist friends.
God Almighty EL created us ALL like them!
If we know Jesus Christ Yeshua as Lord and Saviour, HE lives IN us!
I do love in you . Like when you get goosebumps that's me or when you're leg aches that's me I often will remind others I'm there by pinching the left shoulder. Also I'm in the iris I am in you and you in me without me you can do nothing
Michael who is like God is Prince and God the Father is king of kings. Jesus is not a king then?
Great presentation. Rejoice ye heavens includes the unfallen worlds. Job 1&2 did not say that the meetings were in heaven. This appears to be somewhere in the universe. Read the book story of redemption, after satan was cast out, the farthest he went was the gate of heaven.
“Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: ‘Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner. For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, in order that you may marvel. For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes those alive whom he wants to. [Why?] For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Most truly I say to you, He that hears my word and believes him that sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.’”-John 5:19-24.
Prior to Jesus, by means of holy prophets God had raised up dead persons, for instance, the sons of two mothers. Concerning this we read, in Hebrews 11:35: “Women received their dead by resurrection.” Now, in a matter of two years after Jesus spoke the words in John 5:19-24, the time came for God to raise up his own Son Jesus Christ from the dead, on the sixteenth day of the Jewish lunar month of Nisan in the year 33 of our Common Era.
By this resurrection God made his Son Jesus Christ alive forevermore in heaven, by clothing him with immortality and incorruptibility as a spirit Son of God. (Rev. 1:5, 18; 1 Pet. 3:18, 19) It was then that God gave life-giving power to his Son, so that he was able to make alive those whom he wanted to make alive, thus opening up the way for them to live forever in God’s coming righteous order of things. In that way the Son would copy his heavenly Father by doing all the things that the Father shows him are to be done in behalf of dead mankind. These future works of the Son of God will be greater than those he did when he was on earth, greater than when he healed the man who lay sick for thirty-eight years. That is why God the heavenly Father appointed him to be a judge.
The Sender is greater than the one sent. Jesus himself said that. (John 13:16) God the Greater sent the Son the Lesser, for which reason Jesus also said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) The Father the Greater appointed the Son the Lesser to be a judge, committing all the judging with reference to mankind to the Son, who died sacrificially for them. If we humans respect the Father’s power to appoint, we ought to honor the one whom he appoints as judge. Just as we should honor God the Father who is “the Judge of all,” so we should honor the Son whom he appoints to judge mankind. Certainly if we do not honor the Son as God’s appointed judge, we do not honor God the Father who clothed his Son with judicial power. We cannot claim to honor God the Father and at the same time rightly ignore the Son as judge.
Our everlasting life depends on our thus honoring the Son as judge in the same way as we honor the heavenly “Father who sent him.” Today, by means of John’s written account in the Holy Bible, we are hearing Jesus’ words in this regard. If, after thus hearing, we do as Jesus said, namely, ‘believe on him that sent me,’ we shall have everlasting life. This life we shall enjoy in God’s promised righteous order of things under his kingdom.
Note the remarkable thing about those who thus have everlasting life because they hear Jesus’ words with faith and obedience and then believe on the Father who sent him. Jesus says about each one of such: “He does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.” (John 5:24) There is a special spiritual sense in which such a hearer and believer passes over from death to life now during this present time of believing.
Nineteen hundred years ago when Jesus Christ spoke those meaningful words he was speaking particularly of the congregation of believers whom God the heavenly Father was to take out from among men to become associate judges with Jesus Christ in the heavens. It was with reference to this congregation of associate judges that Jesus said to his apostles: “Truly I say to you, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone that has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive many times more and will inherit everlasting life.” (Matt. 19:27-29) There will, of course, be more than twelve associate judges of Jesus Christ in his heavenly kingdom.
The whole congregation of associates will judge many more than the literal twelve tribes of Israel. Under the Superior Judge Jesus Christ they will judge all mankind, the living and the dead. On this point the apostle Paul wrote to the congregation: “Do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you unfit to try very trivial matters” now? (1 Cor. 6:2) Thus the associate judges will be many.
Thank you 🙏
I thought 💭 in DaniEL Michael the Archangel and Gabriel another Archangel?
Only one archangel. The dictionary says arch means Chief. There can only be one Chief angel. Many great evangelists through time believed that Jesus was Michael before he came to earth. Charles Spurgeon, Ellen White, Wesley, Matthew Henry, Doug Bachelor among others.
Melchizedek is another name for ark angel michael the book of Daniel teaches God chose ark angle michael to be a prince In his kingdom on earth that alone says is all
He came to “fulfill “!
The OT saints looked forward to the Cross and we 👀 look back to the Cross!
Just some brief observations and comments :
1) Michael - who is like God. Clearly , someone who is like God, cannot be God. But who in scripture is said to be like or the image (Col 1 :15) or the representation (Heb 1 :3 ) Jesus ?
2) Zec 3 : 1.. Notice how it reads in some other translations :
!And the LORD said to satan, I the LORD reject your accusation.! (NLT)
"And the angel of the LORD JEHOVAH said to Satan, Satan the LORD JEHOVAH Shall rebuke you.!
(Aramaic Bible in plain En glish )
"But the LORD said , Satan you are wrong" (CEV)
"And the angel of the LORD said to satan, May the LORD condemn you." (GNT )
The LORD said to satan, I the LORD, silence you."( GWT )
etc etc etc. Might this change the argument ?
3)The angel of the LORD' Yahweh's angel is clearly God's messenger or agent and therefore not God.
There are other passages where the Angel of the LORD is speaking to God. The Angel of the Lord need not be but could be the divine Son of God, depending on context.
4) Having the name of God in him may simply mean that he has God's authority as his agent or representative. Then again YEHOshua means YHWH is salvation and so the divine name really was in Jesus.
5) A case may be made for saying that the one who led Israel through the wilderness and the Captain of the host may be the pre-existing Son of God before he came to earth as a human being. However, the 'worship' argument is wrong : Go to Bible hub. Most Bibles simply say reverence or bow down. In the time of the King James Bible, the word "worship" had a much wider range of meaning. This argument cannot be used to say the captain of the host accepted worship as if he was God. Indeed, his entire argument about worship is specious.
6) the speaker makes a convincing case that the Jesus had a pre-human existence and he has identified who he may have been. However he fails to distinguish between the only begotten Son and the unbegotten God. He hides behing the word "begotten". But truth is, we all know what it means in the Bible. Likewise, being the divine SON of God, God's agent and plenipotentiary, the one THROUGH who and FOR whom things were created.does not make him the source of creation. Rather, it separates him from the ultimate creator, YHWH.
7) The speaker continues to make a very prsuasive case that Jesus, the Christ, the Son of God, can be identified with Michael as they seem to share identical roles. Indeed, many of the great Protestant reformers and modern theologians have noteed the same link. However, sadly, he begins to stray off topic towards the end .
It seems to me that the speaker was able to make the case that before and after he came to earth, the divine Son of God, identified as Michael, serves God as his messenger, agent and spokesperson(Word). He also clearly showed that the Son of God is a different being/ entity from Goid. Many who believe the doctrine of the trinity will be outraged that Jesus has been referred to as an angel. albeit, the Archangel. Those who hold this view will be called heretics. They simnply fail to understand that the gospels and Epistles make it clear that early followers of Jesus viewed him as the Messiah ( Anointed One / Christ ) the Son of God
and not YHWH himself. Ironically, for those so outraged by the designation of Jesus as the Archangel, they will find many supporters of the Trinity on UA-cam trying to prove the pre-existence of the Son and will use the Angel of the Lord argument. Double Standards ?
To know the truth firget everything you thought you knew and follow Q i am 17
BR. Nader I see Strong's meaning of Michael as a question, of challenge (as some see it) To me it only adds to Christ's work of showing us the Father, as well as vindicating the Father before the universe and in doing so validating his divinity and Sonship once and for all.
A created being (JW believe Christ was created) could not do this.
God himself could not defend himself, as he stands accused by Satan. His nature of love means his character of mercy, fairness/fair play and justice bind him.
So who is like God? The Only begotten Son of God.
That's what I take away from this study. Thank you and GBU.
Gabriel is an archangel!
Gabriel as well went to Daniel!
Easy because Jesus didn't praise himself in stead he referred to God as his father Jesus didn't even know who he was until the time came when jesus exercised authority thats when he new who he actually was michael is the righteous son of God which is the melchizedek priest hood
Nader Mansour
Michael the archangel is the father of the New Testament while our Lord Jesus Christ was in the flesh form.
God's Son is Superior to the Angels:
Hebrews 1:5
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
The Word Becomes Human:
John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Why make an image like Michael the Archangel!
A very common name today yet a very old Hebrew name which can be found in Numbers 13:13. The Hebrew pronunciation is me-khah-eyl (The "kh" is pronounced hard like the "ch" in the name Bach) and is composed of three parts. The first is the word mee meaning "who". The second is the khah meaning "like." The third is the word eyl literally meaning one of power or authority but commonly translated as "God". When put together these mean "Who is like God?"
This same question is asked in Psalm 113:5.
Who is like Yahweh our God, the one who dwells on high?
The name Miykha'el is a short form of the phrase above "Who is like Yahweh our God" which is miy khamokha yahweh eloheynu.
Are you binitarian?
In the YT video titled "Q & A on the Godhead & the Trinity", Nader states that he does not believe in a biune God. It is an interesting video which has a panel of two Trinitarians, and two Father/Son, where they answer audience questions.