Sometimes We Don’t Have to Use Calculus to Find the Minimum

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024

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  • @田村博志-z8y
    @田村博志-z8y 2 роки тому +21

    Actually, we have for every x
    ( x^2 - 2x - 3 )/( 2x^2 + 2x + 1 ) + 4 = ( 3x + 1 )^2/( 2x^2 + 2x + 1 ).
    This implies that the function reaches the minimum - 4 when x = - 1/3.

    • @MrLidless
      @MrLidless 2 роки тому +1

      Nice

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 2 роки тому +2

      Excuse me where did that 4 come from?? Whybwoukd you add4..that random and out of nowhere...

    • @田村博志-z8y
      @田村博志-z8y 2 роки тому

      @@leif1075
      The similar way in the video. This is just verification that - 4 is minimum.

    • @piyush-kx6vi
      @piyush-kx6vi 2 роки тому

      Can you plz solve this question a^1/3 +b^1/3 +c^1/3 = (2^1/3 - 1)^1/3 . Find a+b+c

  • @petersievert6830
    @petersievert6830 2 роки тому +2

    I wondered how to come up with this approach intuitively (at least from my perspective, anyone has a different intuition of course) and this is what I came up with:
    Set x²-2x-3 / 2x²+ 2x +1 >= A
    Now find an A that there is exactly one solution in x. I do now see, that the video did something very, very similar, if not the same.
    But the little twist, that helped me was to use "A" instead of "y", thus my mindset was set on a constant, we need to find and not on a function we need to treat in any way.

    • @tontonbeber4555
      @tontonbeber4555 2 роки тому

      Ok, but in this case if you just derivate ... N'D-ND' = 0 is a very simple quadratic equation that gives you much more info about the function ...
      f(-infinity)=f(+infinity)=1/2, N factoris. as (x+1)(x-3) function has zeroes at -1 and 3, D unfactoris. function has no pole
      f'=0 has 2 solutions at -2 and -1/3 f(-2)=1 is the maximum and f(-1/3)=-4 is the minimum.
      And all these informations requires no more calculus than what is in the video ...

  • @BucifalulR
    @BucifalulR 2 роки тому +5

    I think it is no longer needed to find an x for which the value -4 is attained since the method used, along with noting that the denominator is always non-zero, guarantees such an x exists (we had a quadratic in x to start with and we precisely imposed that its discriminant must be non-zero in order for it to have a solution x).

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 2 роки тому

      Not necessarily true though if 2x squared plus 2x equals negstive 1 then the denominator would be zero..see what I mean?

    • @BucifalulR
      @BucifalulR 2 роки тому +2

      @@leif1075 no, I do not, unfortunately. the denominator cannot be 0 for real x. this fact was also proved in the video (for example, the discriminant is strictly negative, so no real roots exist, but the video shows a proof based on forming a square)

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 2 роки тому

      @@BucifalulR OK but why linit yourself to real roots..the video never says only look for real solutions..now I hope you see..

    • @BucifalulR
      @BucifalulR 2 роки тому +2

      @@leif1075 It does imply we are discussing real x's only since we are asked to compute the 'minimum' of an expression in x. If we allow x to take complex non-real values, then plugging, say, i, gives a value that is non-real, and complex numbers are not ordered. Also, by inspecting the proof in the video, it can be noticed that real numbers are assumed (it is argued that the denominator is always > 0 by using the fact that the square of a real number is always >=0, something which is not necessarily true for complex numbers, where the square is not even always real). EDIT: While the problem statement is indeed somehow incomplete since it does not explicitly say we are discussing real x's, this is usually the case for problems like this, where we are asked to compute the minimum of an expression in x, since a 'minimum' implies that an ordering exists on the set where we allow our expression to take values from. It is true, however, that one could try solving the following: find the minimum of the given expression on the set of complex x's for which the expression (exists and) takes real values. Is this what you were saying?

    • @piyush-kx6vi
      @piyush-kx6vi 2 роки тому

      Can you plz solve this question a^1/3 +b^1/3 +c^1/3 = (2^1/3 - 1)^1/3 . Find a+b+c

  • @MrLidless
    @MrLidless 2 роки тому +4

    If you rewrite the equation as 0.5-(3x+3.5)/(2x²+2x +1) if makes life a lot simpler, both with and without calculus.

    • @bait6652
      @bait6652 2 роки тому

      how? does it avoid discr or deriv?

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 2 роки тому

      You can't though. What happened tonthe x squared and 2 x terms in the nhmerstor..you can't just erase them..

    • @bait6652
      @bait6652 2 роки тому

      @@leif1075 x^2 is part of 0.5

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 2 роки тому +1

      @@bait6652 what do you mean?? .5 is just a constant there's no variable term at all..did you mean to write x squared times 0.5 you mean? Otherwise that makes no sense..sorry don't knkw what you mean..and why woukd you think of that..why not rewrite the numerator as (x-3)(× +1) like I did?

    • @bait6652
      @bait6652 2 роки тому

      @@leif1075 his 0.5 is not part of the numerator

  • @piyush-kx6vi
    @piyush-kx6vi 2 роки тому

    Can you plz solve this question a^1/3 +b^1/3 +c^1/3 = (2^1/3 - 1)^1/3 . Find a+b+c

  • @زينالعابدينماجدمحمد

    thank you

  • @SuperYoonHo
    @SuperYoonHo 2 роки тому

    wow thank you

  • @ABHISHEKKUMAR-01024
    @ABHISHEKKUMAR-01024 2 роки тому

    We may test that
    f ' (x) = 0 when x = - 1/3

  • @tontonbeber4555
    @tontonbeber4555 2 роки тому +23

    Sure, but sometimes brute force calculus is not necessary longer ... it took me much less than 6 minutes to derivate the function and find both the min and the max ^^

  • @captainkim7738
    @captainkim7738 2 роки тому +3

    I know this is the quadratic method. Anyway, thx for sharing.

  • @otakurocklee
    @otakurocklee 2 роки тому

    Very nice!

  • @mathisnotforthefaintofheart
    @mathisnotforthefaintofheart 2 роки тому

    Actually what is happening here is nothing but finding the domain of the inverse function. And that can be done due to the nature of the function being quadratic.

  • @chillaxmachine
    @chillaxmachine 2 роки тому

    cool

  • @leif1075
    @leif1075 2 роки тому

    There MUST be another way to solve..I don't see why anyone would ever think of this at ALL..it's all out of nowhere

    • @28aminoacids
      @28aminoacids 2 роки тому

      No, every time you see min/max questions involving 2nd powered terms, use this method. It's much more fun this way

  • @192chickenking
    @192chickenking 2 роки тому

    Derivative: what?

    • @FaranAiki
      @FaranAiki Рік тому +1

      Derivative in Calculus be like: Nah, I didn't see the title.