DON'T GO TO ART SCHOOL. (Interview with an Art Student) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
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TIMESTAMPS:
- 0:00 - Intro
- 3:00 - Art School Tour
- 15:10 - Final Thoughts/Reflecting on the Tour
- 20:25 - Podcast-Style Interview
- 48:25 - "What was the most valuable part of art school for you?"
- 52:05 - "What was the least valuable part of art school for you?"
- 1:03:14 - "Was the environment conducive to creativity?"
- 1:12:15 - "Would professional artists have time to go to art school alongside work?"
- 1:22:40 - "Did art school teach you the skills needed for a professional art career?"
- 1:26:40 - "Can you learn everything you learned at art school online?"
- 1:33:50 - "Has your degree gotten you art jobs you couldn't have gotten without it?"
- 1:39:25 - "How much worth do you feel your degree has to you now?"
- 1:44:00 - "Would you do it again?"
- 1:44:04 - "How has your perspective changed after art school?"
- 1:51:50 - "Would you advise young artists to go to art school or learn online instead?"
- 1:54:32 - Audience Questions
- 2:38:10 - Conclusion
- 2:38:56 - James' Final Thoughts
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Tbh I still stand by this point: not every art school will be a dream but not all will be soulless. It really depends on which one you go to
Before the internet, universities were only there to provide easier access to learning materials that the average home didn’t have... but now we have access to the best teachers in the world
Even crazier is because those things were so much harder for the average home to have a lot of artists didn't use them anyways and did just fine.
I was like 10 when theinternet got mainstream where i live. And early art tutorials were trash. If you dont speak english they still are.
So i can confidentally can say. No there were other alternatives. Workshops. Training camps. You could borrow art books from a libary. You could hire a private teacher. Also in some places it is tradition to handcraft and handpaint almost any kind of thing. So if you visited a small town or a Museum you could learn how to work with phisical materials.
@@katokianimation we didn’t have art in school, so my parents hired a tutor to stop by the house every so often in order to give advice for college portfolio construction. It was so hard to access decent, engaging, text books on the fundamentals. This is where good teachers come in, to help interpret the contents of the text, and apply up to date practices. I remember asking the tutors in our college about fundamentals, because I needed a lot of help understanding and applying them, but they were more interested in Conceptual art in the core year. One even suggested I should have gone to another art college if I wanted to learn the fundamentals… this was our National college for Art!
Now we go to uni to have a table of contents
I do want to say, as a student at an art school, it was one of the best decisions I ever made. It really is a spectrum. School was important for me due to the structure and access to facilities I wouldn't have at home. It also does greatly depend on what industry you're interested in or are a part of. Self taught artists can absolutely accomplish the same, but it's really about evaluating for yourself and deciding if it's right for you.
I think you’re right, I kind of had an in between experience between the perspective in the video and what you said. I think that I learned a lot in art school and it provided a very good structure to make sure I put in the work to get better as well as provided a community that I still cherish. I also met professors who really helped me a lot as well. Of course, you can always learn the things I learned on your own but getting direct feedback from professors and other students right in front of you was very helpful. And the facility access also is a very good point as well. I will point out though that I did end up dropping out of art school as I felt I got what I needed from it and didn’t want to spend more money when I was trying to pay rent and other expenses. I don’t regret going but I also acknowledge that it wasn’t a perfect experience and that not every class is created equal.
I didn't go to "art school" in that I didn't go to college to do art, but I did take art classes and my experience there was the complete opposite to what is shown here. I had really engaging tutors and learned a lot. Seeing how "real" art school teaches people makes me feel privileged to have had such a good experience.
As someone who's self taught, I've always had my suspicions that art school wasn't a good idea for me, and lo and behold, I was right. Thanks for the video!
Yeah. Really the only advantage seems to be the ability to be around other artists but even that's hit or miss with all the variables.
As someone who went to art school and dropped out, I think that the picture he paints in the video is very skewed. In no way am i saying his experience isn’t valid, but also every school and even every class within a school is VERY different. My school was good in some areas but not in others. And the networking with other students and professors was actually very valuable within itself. Of course a lot of these things you can in theory do outside of art school as well (and the cost is crazy high which is one of the reasons I left) but art school really made it much more attainable and I think helped me grow more than I would have had I not attended.
yk craps getting real when Celestia puts the speedpaint in real time
I'm going to a type of art school for ads and still I'm learning art for less.
Making your own stretched canvas allows for anyone who doesn’t have the leisure of going to art stores, and also anyone who sells and ships paintings, you can take the canvas off and the frame apart too for easier shipment. I may want a custom size that I can’t find, but could build it. Tons of reasons people could make canvases from scratch.
YES! Not to mention it allows you to make completely custom sizes. Perfect if you're doing an installation piece in an office in a home where you want the canvas to fit a specific area. Or for ultra large or ultra landscape dimensions. I learned how to stretch one a long time ago and it's a shame that I've now forgotten because it's actually super expensive trying to find a large canvas at an art store in my city (and I live in London.. you'd have thought they'd have more variety and more options that weren't extortionate!)
As a teacher, I expected him to have a bit more passion about his environment and what the students can actually learn there.
I think in this case, as well, it might be some students just wanted the experience of making their own.
Gotta be honest, I cant finish watching this video (watched up to podcast) so I dont throw myself into a full blown anxiety attack, but Id like to share my experience in art school. (no trauma dumping I promise lol)
The school I went to was focused on modern digital advertising etc and we were thought some very real marketable skills and using softwares for multiple career paths that actually has high chances of getting employment (sure the job market is waaay over saturated but its not impossible to get a job as an artist in my country)
The school building itself also housed other education programs such as restaurant and catering, hair and cosmetic and surface renovation, so the building never had a feeling of snobbinesh and also kinda made art feel like an actual valid career path along with all the others.
My teachers were 'veterans' of their fields and really cared for us students and our learning (+most of them still did freelancing on the side). They knew what kind of job market they were preparing us for and they had some great advice to give, they really did their best to guide us.
Some of my classmates didnt have much prior experience with art and they improved super fast along with the rest of the class.
We started with the basics in first year, color theory, composition, photo manipulation, abode softwares, how to approach clients and act professional. We had like half/half of digital and traditional courses. We also went through what career paths are more employable/has more opportunities in our country, what you need to specialize in if you want to deviate from that, options I hadnt even heard of prior to the school.
On the second year we were getting more advanced courses with softwares and the teaching started to lean more towards digital and more specific career paths.
At the middle of the 2nd year I dropped out. It wouldve been 3 yr schooling to graduate. There wouldve been an internship in the 3rd year so we would have a real good touch to actually working in the field.
I loved my time in art school but had to drop out for personal health reasons in second year, which is why I couldnt watch through, it just brings too much stuff to the surface, its still really sore for me 5 yrs later. Art school was my dream.
Im sure the rest of the video is top notch, as always :)
No matter what school, what field, ALWAYS do some digging on the school youre applying for, theres bad, sad and mediocre schools, and theres pretty good ones, like the one I went to.
Yeah, like Art schools tend to be hit-or-miss but research is required. Like going into a more specialized one, and knowing what you want to do is kinda needed. The mindset of "Well I like to do art in highschool so maybe I should go to artschool"...>NO XD. Don't do that....welll.....low chance but still, you really need to do what you want to do and actually apply a motivation to work yourself up that ladder. Like I was flopping around majors in college (MSU) and spring semester of sophomore year I switched to art cuz English Major wasn't working out (I was screwed over by constantly poetry-only classes that were required), and I needed something to go with my foreign languages so I choose art since "I liked doing it" OH BOI was I in a world of hurt. Like I'm more into illustration but MSU art program is all abstract contemporary stuff lol. I struggled the hell in it (though I was somewhat like....successful in the painting program but I had ZERO interest in painting together. It was basically just graduating with a degree at that point).
So THAT whole thing was a mess, but I did transfer later (I should have transferred earlier) into an actual art school and did a year (before COVID hit so I just dropped out since I technically got my 1st degree already) and learned A LOT there. Granted some professors I could have lived without but some really did help me.
I mostly self teach now but tbh, one thing art school does give people is like...a backbone for criticism and an actual drive to self-improve. Sitting in crits as everyone in class picks apart your work is soul crushing, but you eventually get over it and manage to improve yourself by it. Like the few people who didn't go to artschool that I gave advice on their work (when they asked me for it) literally just shut it down and went "That's the way I do things" BOIIIIIIIIIIIIII. If this were in class their ass would be grass for saying something like that lol. Like it gives the same energy as walking in on your figure drawing crit and drawing hair completely covering your persons face and going "Its the way I wanted to draw her" (legit that happened and it was so awkward cuz she literally had no facial features, it was just hair over the face).
Like because of the environment in art school, if someone points something out on a piece I finished, I don't shut down XD. I just stop and think where they're coming from and either go "Wow, they're right, I missed that. I should change it" or "Yeah, they really don't know what they're talking about". Meanwhile non-artschool folks tend to just run straight for the "You don't know what you're talking about".
@@krismarshall3803 oh boy people respond wildy differently to critisism :D
Its like how they are critizised + what kind of experience with previous critisism that person has + persons ego/if theres an trauma/anxiety factor = how the person reacts.
A kind constructive critisism is usually meant as positive guidance and people tend to react well to it. Sure people new to art might find any critisism as
too overwhelming when theyre still learning the basics and thats okay, a good teacher knows how to slowly build up the amount and type of guidance.
Ofcourse when in art school you just gotta keep up with the program or you will fall behind, the teachers there wont hold your hand as much.
But completely shutting down/refusing all tips and guidance when theyve asked for it/are in school for it is a sign they should propably not make a career out of it yet...
Personally Ive always found group type critisism extremely helpful, where you know the group has an assigment and when the lessons over the teacher goes over
everyones pieces pointing out how well everyone did, what parts were on point, what could be improved on, what to avoid doing etc.
This group critisism was very hard on some students, specifically in the beginning, but this was THE best way to improve fast and absorb loads of information from single lesson. Man I miss that.
13:29 “it definitely is reassuring to see how much passion and creativity and love people still have for art” **moves past a painting with dollar signs all across it, implying that is all art is nowadays**
srsly though, it’s sad to see how art has become almost a chore because of how unfair it is to be an artist in this world. if you’re an artist struggling to find the meaning in your work, please, go interact with old nostalgic games/books you used to play/read or that one show or film that inspired you a while back that you forgot about. It’s hard and it’s not going to fix all your problems but once you reignite your passion it’ll help you remember why you liked art in the first place. stay strong :)
I am two years into my Fine Art degree and I absolutely adore my course. There's a ton of different things I would've never thought of doing or experimenting with if I haven't attended. It's labour intensive and very hands on but the creative freedom that you have (even with assigned briefs) is great. You meet people from all walks of life with their own interpretations of the world, skill sets, backgrounds and you have one thing in common; your love for art.
There's so many things I wouldn't have even known if I never went to university and those assets have been really helpful in my art career. I hope to do my masters or speciality in education afterward. I started self-taught, however that will only get you so far in life before you need others to help guide you. I believe as artists, it's incredibly important to see other people's worldviews on what is or isn't art to start shaping your own. You'll be surprised in what you take up.
Well, not everyone is good at admitting they made a very expensive mistake.
Haven’t watched the whole video yet, but I agree with the title. I abandoned pursuing art school when I realized it just wasn’t cost effective for me. I wish I would have been able to go, but I couldn’t and still can’t. I didn’t want to deal with 10 - 20 years of debt just for an art degree.
That’s exactly what happened to me. I just ended up become way to exhausted trying to work 30 hours a week on top of school full time and decided that I had already learned a lot and that I didn’t need the degree, so I left.
Art school changed my life. I was self taught for many years and could not afford college until I was in my late 20s. I personally needed the guidance from professionals and other creatives. Even times where I wanted to quit because it got hard, it was ultimately worth it to me because it taught me the grit and resilience I would need in my future career. Of course not everyone needs a formal education, but I was a person who absolutely needed the structure. Art school was some of the best times of my life and I am forever thankful for the connections I made and the knowledge I gained. ^_^ Not everyone can say Whyt Manga was their college professor!
I was in art highschool for 4 years (age 14-18) Eastern Europe school...
And I can sum up all the pros: you have a place to only draw with no other distractions, also it allows you to be competitive between your peers
cons: you will not be allowed to progress faster even if you can, "you are too young for that" and so on
Also the entire knowledge can be sum up in one book.
"Drawing lessons from the great masters"
Basically everything I've learned is there (in one and most important class that teaches you how to draw)
In University is another deal and I don't have experience there.
But I've heard that you mostly teach yourself and the expertise that you seek from the teacher will be minimal.
At that point you can buy a few books and get that information...
I’m actually at a cross road when it comes to art school so this is actually coming out at a perfect time thank you
This video is coming at it with a bit of a negative bias. You definitely need to do research on your specific school and its alumni and see if its curriculum and teachers are right for you. One major thing that Celestia did not cover is that a Degree can be incredibly valuable for visa purposes and if you want to move or work overseas from your home country. It's not completely impossible to move without it for a visa, but it makes the process incredibly difficult and you might have to find other routes such as building up a profile as a Tier 1 visa (you need to prove that you are highly skilled and desired in your field.) Toniko Pantoja gives some valuable info on what it took for him to work in the USA even though his films won multiple awards and etc.
That being said, you could take a degree in a different field (such as business) and still work on your art career if you feel like you could manage your time that way. The degree in the other field should still count for immigration purposes.
I'd recommend looking for more personal stories. I am very grateful to be able to go to art school, and I think school was incredibly valuable for me, but I also applied for as many scholarships and bursaries as possible in order to keep costs worth it.
Another thing to mention is that art school can give you connections and relationships with other artists that will likely not be able to be replicated online. When you're all lifting each other up in those hard moments, to get through the coursework, it really gives you a special connection, and those connections can be really valuable for the rest of your life. The art community is small and you may find yourself working on projects together again and it may make your working environment a much more enjoyable one.
Look at what your chosen school offers and see if you can speak to people in the program currently to see how they find it.
Some of the biggest artists who worked in comics for years never went to art school. I remember EVS talking about his early drawing career, and stories of his own art being stolen. I took some classes but I never really use the techniques I learned at school save for maybe doing animation stills.
This is often why art programs thru proper private universities are better. They’re more hands on, require outside class time in the art labs, etc. My alumnus even had what we called Practicum which was a month out of each semester where we just got to go nuts with our own art. I spent between 3 and 5 hours during my practicum hours. Doing a “proper” art school is by no means a necessity.
Im going to an art highschool (that’s completely free to go to!) and while the education and administration is iffy if that, i think its the best art program you can go to. There are multiple majors you can choose from, illustration, cartooning, animation, film, fashion, architecture, and photography, and you have two 45 minute classes for that major per day. The school is extremely expressive, art in the hallways, paintings on the walls (though unfortunately we dont have a graffiti wall), and everyones fashion is top teir. Sophomore year we also have a photoshop class and we get a certificate for it, and freshman you start out with an art history and art foundation classes. The classrooms are very interactive, we critique eachother and draw all together and get good feedback and grow, learning anatomy, colors, and doing projects based on growing our skills.
But best of all, it gives us experience, some of the best ive seen from art schools! We have our own little art fair where we can sell our art not only to each other, but other visitors and parents. One year of which i was able to meet a real cartoonist and get his ideas on my characters. The fair also includes a cosplay contest, and group figure drawing. We also have a panel at comic con the students can sell from. As well as that, there are a lot of chances to get into art internships for big companies, and get money from it over the summer! They also teach us about commissions and pricing, and sometimes help us set up paypals for that.
Everyone is at different pace in their art journey in the school and everyones chill at that, and whether you draw digitally, traditional, anime, or realism, no art is put down, especially by the teachers. We get to tell our stories and draw our characters for classes and are pushed to stylize and find our own path. The campus also spawns creativity, especially from the community, classrooms, and our little mental health places with bean bags and fairy lights to just chill out.
Everything is a double edged sword though, the school itself is a full on mess. But, it takes pride in the art courses.
I… think we go to the same school 😂
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I went to art school for 2 yrs and left mid 2nd yr due ..feeeling like im wasting a lot of money (more expensive than law at uni) and time. Not to meantion heavy agressiveness to any change (i mean, designs, digitals art, more artstyles, more ways to earn a living). Anything you showed interest/creativity in, was squashed- even on "free-theme" evaluations (it was supposed to be done in what your teachers likes) It was all about romanticised suffering gallery artist. Our classrooms vwere small and cold, no proper ventilation (so you can suffocate from paint or go outside and suffocate from smokers), they would demand most expensive suplies else your grades got smushed, and teachers just ..sometimes wont eeven show up. Like you went to a class, and there was an object (or none. 30% of the time we had to arrange composition ourselves) and just somehow sit there fo 4hrs straight. No personal pointers bcs of course teachers are unicorns.
At some point i just stopped going there unless needed to physically bring artwork. Honestly i learned more on yt artists than there in 2yrs. lol still bitter for wasted money
I had similar negative experiences
I'm so sorry the video got me anxious as hell, so I leave a comment in order to make some engagement with the video, since I'll stop it at about 25min. I'll come back to it, when I'm feeling more safe with the topic, thanks for the huge video !
This has been a really interesting video so far! Only around 45 minutes in but this interview holds a lot of value, as I've always thought about art school and whether or not the experience is worth it.
This video was helpful for me because I, as a self taught artist, heard things, that I have always had conceptions for, but was never able to express with words or hear anybody else talk about them.
I'M ALL HERE FOR THE LONG VIDEO, I WANT TO EMBRACE WHY I THINK GOING TO ART SCHOOL IS A SHIT AND POINTLESS IDEA! Preach Duchess
I’m currently going to an art college and I’m honestly having a good first semester! The art teachers have really been helping me with feedback on my art and I definitely feel like I’m learning something. It honestly just depends on the professor. My color and light professor is quite mean and isn’t very helpful while my perceptual drawing teacher gives us really good feedback and help when we need it. So it honestly depends on the person, the professors and the school you’re going to! ❤️
This is gold 👌 I relate to a lot of James’s feelings on the other side of art school
Honestly, this meant a lot to hear. I have a BA and a MS, both in game design, and so often I feel like it never really prepared me for what my that would get me. Sometimes I don't even feel prepared for the barista job I currently have. But this reminds me that I'm not a failure, and although I feel my growth as an artist has been stunted by my degree if anything, the only way to move is forward, and teaching yourself is an option.
It's very validating to hear that I'm not the only one who feels art school might have been kind of a waste of time though.
OMG I had PSTD from that time we had to do an essay in Indesign in my basic design class. Granted this is was in 2010 in a design capstone course as a freshman (I missed it due to being a kid) but that was a horrible experience. The professors expected you to know the basics of software and just use it to what they wanted. We had weird assignments that made us physically cry and during that time, my teacher was more of traditional designing rather than showing us design philosophies. Like drawing a printed R in rockwell font 100% and lining it up so perfectly. It forced me to pursue a different career path; however, I still love art after that quarter (My college was on the quarter system). I haven't finished the video yet, but man this is the catharsis takes I need. Great job Celestia.
when i got out of high school, i went to a community college for graphic design; i dropped out after the first semester because i could tell i wasn't actually going to learn anything. i now work in graphic design without the stress/chore of those 4 years of college
Important thing to note is that what art schools are like or what is a art school even varies in different countries, I technically am/was (graduating like next month lol) in a art school (from ages 16 to 19) and my experience was great, my school was rly nice and we had fairly good education too even the pandemic hit us rly bad. I was a upper secondary stundent tho, so basically it was upper secondary school what also had heavy art education, but still i'd say it was an art school as we were taught skills to utilize as professionals. I'm going to college/uni of applied science next year once again studying art and what i know prehand from my dad and mutuals it should be pretty fine experience, and not rly like things in America sound like, so it varies from country what art schools are like.
yess I've been waiting for this one!!!
glad that you were able to finally get this video out!!! Also two hours? Woo!
Can't believe we got a Celestia blooper in a video outside of a blooper reel BDHAAHA
jokes aside, very informative and insightful!!
My art school is literally the best place for me to express myself in, it has given me so many opportunities and contacts to lovley people and makes me feel valued.
I really needed this video and now I feel more confident in teaching myself what I want! I appreciate this so much! I wouldn’t mind watching another hour of even more compelling arguments
Really the only reason I could think of for me personally to go the art school route is for finding more artists to hang out with in person to draw and stuff. Otherwise the time and money investment is really bad especially since I kinda still need to work a day job along with the art.
This video was inccredibly helpful and insightful, thank you so much for making it
this was such a cool and informative video! i feel like there’s an alternate universe where i went to art school instead of getting a tech degree since when before junior year of high school i was convinced that i wanted to be a professional artist. i’m 2 years out of college now with a pretty nice tech job but i still do art as a hobby. when tech work gets really boring and difficult i sometimes wonder what it would be like if i had done art instead but in reality any art job i could have had would also have boring and difficult parts you know? work is just like that. i really think this video will be helpful for high school students trying to decide their future, it stinks so much that art school is becoming a thing only the rich can really benefit from without going into massive debt but i guess without major changes in society it is going to stay that way for a while 😔
Making your own canvas is handy if you need to make a big one but you don't have a huge truck to buy one from the art store
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Wow, watching the walk through the school and hearing the comments and observations... definitely brought back memories of college, both good and bad. It's so hit and miss when it comes to professors. -_-;;
I wanna go to art school because I don't know what else I'd do for school in my late teens.
I wish school was free because I would definitely go for the community but paying for it is such a waste because you could pay a one on one teacher for less and get 10x the value
Just sayin' a semester drawing class at your local community college can work wonders. Never thought I'd love drawing portraits so much lol
Oh hell yeah 2 hour long video.... a little treat for me to watch later
So, I didn’t want to watch this because I was in a crappy mood so I didn’t want nice happy things. I watched it out of loyalty….. and now I can’t remember why I was mad😂😂😂😂
I think is only relevant to US audience only. A degree in art school will dictate a foreigner’s ability to find art jobs in the US.
I went to art school for like a year and a half (had to drop out because I didn't have the money or time to continue) and I learned sooo much! Before, I thought of myself as a person who liked to draw every once in a while but after learning, so many new branches and techniques that I didn't know before I now feel like I can confidently say I am, in fact, an artist ❤ And I really do believe I improved a lot more faster during those months
The art department at my college was in touch with the community, and are big artists in the modern world. That being said, I was in a capital city in my country.
First? Also I am glad you made this video.
This video is such a treasure. I’ve regretted not going to art school when I was younger for so long and it’s a huge relief to know it probably wouldn’t have been everything I thought it would be. I made my own personal degree program on skillshare and UA-cam anyway 😂
I do plan on going to a "Art school"
I plan on doing more than just art there though. Some English stuff (Mostly in writing)
The a reason I want to go is to prove teachers wrong lol (I had to struggle with teachers thinking I couldn't finish any High School or Collage so I wanna prove them wrong lol)
Also if edit is to long to read: There are more reasons. But the other reasons are a lot more personal and I don't need to go into detail about that for random people online -.-
Edit:
there is more reasons On why I want to go -.-
yes a main reason (Now changed to a reason) is the proving teachers wrong. It goes a lot deeper than that and if I don't want to share the deeper stuff that is a LOT more personal I don't have too.
It just I wish I could see their faces If they where there to see me finish collage in about 4ish years (Maybe more depending on if I add something or not)... The face of disbelief on their face... It would make me feel better about the pain they put me through.... By a lot.. (Let's just say if you deal with things from the age of 3 to 18/19 of teachers pretty much telling you to your face that your stupid gets to you..)
And again there are more reasons just right now that's a main one
But if I really wanted to do a big "F U" to them wouldn't I go to trying to be a doctor? Lol For sure Would drop out then lol wouldn't even make it a week in that area lol
Ok I'm going to hopefully stop editing now lol
I would hold off and really consider what you want to do and which school you want to attend. Post secondary education is a GRIND and if you don't go into something you can tough out, you will either drop out or burn out. Or possibly both.
I say this know your worth is not measured by some dumbasses with ego degrees and you'll forget or won't care about their baseless opinions after your first year. It's not a good motive to have.
I believe in you, and I know you'll make it, but make sure you're doing it because you see the end goal being only for you!
@@SpacemanTheo Sorry if this seems like I'm angry/upset I'm trying not to
I'm not going to hold off I worded my comment badly in the start. There are more reasons I like to joke that the teacher is the "main" reason when it isn't. Because honestly the teachers don't care. I know they don't care. It just makes me feel better because they did really messed me up for over half my life. (Won't go into anymore detail on that..) And I know it's a Grind? Like School isn't meant to be easy lol
And I have goals like a LOT of goals (Maybe to many-)
Again sorry if this seems mean or like I'm upset I'm really trying to not come off that way and I feel like I am
I don't care if it's not helpful it just looks really, really fun
It really depends on the school. There’s a lot of bad ones but there’s also a lot of good ones.
I was fortunate enough to go to a animation/art hybrid school and it taught me so much and got me into the industry. Do your research before going to one, I’ve had a 14 year long career out of it.
We live in a society (bottom text), no AI art is soo weird to think about.. soooo weird
I’ll be going to art school for animation next year in Canada, which I assume will be both very similar and very different given how schools like Sheridan present their reputations (then again it’s advertising, I saw Seneca despite being a good school had a very dry looking community aspect and no residence) I feel like it’ll help me expand myself where I wouldn’t before and focus on that portfolio for work instead of just hoping I’ll be getting enough commissions to barely get by and give me those connections that lead to a job that is stable and consistent. It’s not all about the degree
Hey could I ask what school? I live in Canada and I’m currently in high school and thinking a lot about schooling and what school I should go to in the future if I do go
@@jetrandom7569 I haven’t decided yet since I’m still working on my portfolio, or rather they haven’t decided for me yet
What about something like animation? I feel like you kinda need to go to school for animation.
I studied for a degree in graphic design first, worked in the industry for a bit, and then went back to get a degree in animation 😅
You could study the basic principles of animation (like in the Animators Survival Kit book), squash/stretch, ease in/out, arcs, key framing, overlapping etc by yourself, and watch animator’s channels to see how it’s applied. I’ll also say there are quite a lot of jobs in the animation industry like rigging, bg art, where you don’t need to have retained the principles of animation.
However… if I lived in America, I would have liked to have gone somewhere like CalArts, cos the standard is so high
You can, yes. It depends on what kinds of animation and your current level. There are some reputable online classes like iAnimate and Animation Mentor that are very good, but are for 3D animation and usually require a base level of understanding the software.
I'm still watching the art school tour but from what I've seen, except for the stairwell- this is the most grey, boring, blank school I've seen- I went to middle school in a not so good area and that was more colorful and full of life than this- it's depressing that there aren't at least more motivational posters or even wall art 😭 just blankness
Though tbh I think just like a picture of that lonely pizza party poster on a blank white wall could be art in and of itself-
Multi-edit as I watch: that was probably a dark room for film development for either a photography class and or a printing class been there done that (my at George Brown college)
celestia such an alpha
If there was one thing I desperately wish I had the time and recourses to do to make a difference in the art world, it would be fighting for more financially accessible illustration and animation education. So many people can't afford to, or are only eligible for financial benefits if they go to a standard university, and the only two choices there are consistently graphic design and traditional art. Recently I took an asynchronous comic art course in which the teacher basically told us to make a comic, "let our imaginations run wild", gave us maybe like one check in, and taught us NOTHING. I was so angry because this was literally one of the only two art classes that were actually directly relevant to my chosen career field. Courses such as story boarding, color theory for illustration, character design, principals in animation (NOT just 3d modeling), should be just as standardly available as sculpting and painting in a university education. I should be able to earn a degree in my true field of study.
I am studying fine arts in uni. this video was very relatable lol
1:19:41 Dude, this is like my life now in Portland.
AUBREY FANART EPIC!
It’s comical because I went to a technical college to get an associate degree in digital media. I could say with certainty that I only learned maybe %5 of what I know now from going through that program with served as a nice little introduction to what I do now but its like 15-20k later, which still isn’t the same as if I went to an art college. But how you describe art schools sounds exactly like my technical college in how the teachers would just kind of be there and make us learn on our own. Outside of college I’ve taken online courses and I’ve had mentors and made professional connections, once I was free to use the net and study the past few years it’s been a thousand times more beneficial than my college. Sometimes I wonder though if I would have gotten to this point if I hadn’t for those two years though. I find it funny because the heads of my department said two things that stick with me, “education beyond this point doesn’t matter, the only thing that matters is the quality of your portfolio, and once you graduate and finish here you won’t be ready to go into the digital media work force; you will be critiqued harshly and for those who don’t have thick skin they will be left behind.”
I know this old but wanted to say not all art schools are like that. At least the one i attended wasnt, I had teachers that did more than just have us sit there on our laptops in most of my classes were studio classes. The teachers i had actually did go around to help us and didnt leave us to out own devices to figure out. They also had a one on one with each us for a good chunk of the classes.
Maybe i lucked out, also it didn’t necessarily still mean me and other students were guaranteed to find a job afterwards easily or at all. I overall still had a good experience. If you can afford it, i lucked out cause it wasnt a specialized course but covered all sorts of art forms and wasnt too bad as i worked a few years before going, having had a bunch of money saved and paid out of pocket.
So if you can afford and think its worth your while go for it but do heavy research on the school and if want someplace really good you have to be prepared to relocate and have the means to pay whether out of pocket or student loans. Also look at grants and financial aid, both can be helpful, some grants are relatively easy to apply for and not enough apply for through the school.
Unlike Math, or History, or science, or . . . well, anything else you can imagine, art is quite exactly whatever you can make up in your mind, and aside from that open to interpretation on an individual level; everyone can have a completely different idea of the same exact thing in their mind and not be wrong about it. Besides a few specific _firm_ (not _hard)_ rules about how objects look to the eye, many of which can still be bent or broken, literally nothing else is set in concrete. Art is the most open-ended part of culture and human nature.
I always wanted to go to art school always but then i wanted to be a detective idk wich one to choose
I think overall this a bit too negative of a view of art school. And this is coming from someone who dropped out because he didn’t think it was worth finishing the art degree and is glad he did. There is a lot you can say about art school but the positives I think were very understated here.
The community you get in art school is very unique and tight knit, and honestly I haven’t really been able to find something quite like it since. The professors as well, of course they’re always going to be bad ones, but I also had phenomenal ones who really helped me grow, that’s something that I really don’t think you’d be able to fully achieve from self teaching/watching videos on UA-cam.
Of course the core material you learn is going to be something you find online, but that’s true of literally everything. The reason one goes to school isn’t just for the material, which sounds crazy, but I feel people go to school because you get the chance to be taught the material and have that person help apply that material to you as an individual and your needs. And the fact you are surrounded by other artists going on the same journey with you who also help you grow as peers as well.
This can vary drastically between colleges, classes, professors, etc. And from the description here I feel as though the biggest issue was the college itself and the way they structured their learning environments, as well as professors they employ.
I think rather than art college being not worth it based solely on the content itself, the bigger issue is it’s not worth it financially. I had both good and bad experiences in art school, which in their own ways helped me grow, but no matter how useful I may have found it the cost was just simply too high for me to justify continuing.
I still really enjoyed hearing this perspective, but I don’t want people to take this as the sole perspective as I’ve seen some commenters do. At the end of the day everyone is on their own art journeys. No one path is better or more worth it than the other.
Art school will teach you anything but art
9:08 OHI! BILL CYPHER???
(yes out of everything I could've commented on, I commented this xD)
just watchin bc the community post had auby ngl-
@circleart is no longer working as a link. has he changed his account name?
Honestly, I only went to art classes in high school, and to art class in the Dutch equivalent of college. And since my art style is sort of a mix between anime and western cartoons, all I've ever heard in there was 'don't draw anime', and had my characters regularly be misgendered because some of the dudes had long-ish hair (think like shoulder-length at most, so WTF?), despite them having an obvious adam's apple on their necks. Like, every other student would clearly be able to tell that was a man in the drawing without me telling them, and not like my characters were femboys either. But my art teachers would, without fail, describe them as a women, despite me correcting them over and over again. Also, if I'm going to improve, then I need to hear a little more then just 'That's nice, but it's too anime' during critique. I'm not sure what I was supposed to learn from only hearing that over and over, but online classes taught me more then all of that ever did indeed. Needless to say, I didn't even consider art school after that. Maybe I just had a streak of bad art teachers, though.
honestly I was forced to go to college and I thought hey if I have to this might as well go into something I love right? Haha wrong art school was the worst fucking thing for me to choose a major in like those 2 years I was in school I was fucking miserable 🙃
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In defense of art school. While this is a valid experience of art school and may include many art schools. This was not my experience of art school.
I learnt art at an Australian university as an Australian student. Which means that I get a reduced cost of tuition and a favorable loan system. Where interest in capped at CPI, and I am only required to repay anything once I hit an annual income threshold. Also each course tends to have a date where you can exit a course without penalty, for my University it is about four weeks into a course. The initial course that I studied has a length of 4-years, and from by second year was able to reduce it by a year.
I have attended art school for four years at a reduced pace, where the degree would be completed by now. In these years, there have been a few less impressive courses, but each one has been interactive and practical, with at least ten minutes or so of one-on-one assistance form the tutor ( the course head in most cases). The reduction in instructors was due to the increased requirements for teacher at the institution. As my course spanned through 2020, Australia was under increased restrictions due to the pandemic, this impacted the capability of classes to be effective, but they still made active effort to directly interact and encourage group exploration during this time. Outside of this restriction, they maximized course engagement. I still found that each course made gradual improvements to my art proficiency.
Initially my course was a 4-year course but has a base time of 3-years. Until recently, and in many cases still do, have award winning instructors. All in all, I enjoyed most courses provided. In terms of access to resources and teaching, it was quiet an improvement in terms of value to money (even if you paid out of pocket). This was provided in tuition, access to equipment, software, research material, life-models to study (who are paid about union award), and many other amenities. This is before you consider student body run institutions, which run school-based and student run clubs for extracurricular activity. If capacity is not an issue and time is, the you can increase your pace and reduce the time by six months further.
Each degree was tailored to my desire for my course, where you picked two streams, e.g., drawing, painting, sculpting, etc. This was extended for your second stream to the media-arts, and design streams. Where they encourage to take courses outside the art school to complement your learning. In this capacity concept such as A.I. art and its progression were made aware to me within the first year. It was coupled with how to critique and iterate art works and the concept on how to think critically about how you work. As well as soft skill -- skills that are not limited to the course outline but still important to industry practice. For example, time management, how and when to crunch without prolonged burnout, or the ability to warm up into a workflow. These soft skills while could be learned on the job are much safer and easer to learn when learning.
While yes it may not be for everyone, it can be useful when the institution is right for you, to improve your skills and practices as an artist. I do though concede that online courses and tutorials will teach all the skills of art school; it is a completely different rate of reward. My personal portfolio is still not up to the standard of submitting anywhere, but that is due to lack of time given to an individual project and an improvement of discernment. So, I would recommend not going to art school as an alternative to going to art school if you have the capacity to, or if the institution you have access to does not meet your personal requirement. It does create different outcomes, and different mindsets but both methods of tuition given enough time will produce similar results.
TWO HOURS???
Oh yeah Celesta's been to the backrooms (⌐■-■)
Didn't like the filter cant see much
jokes on you art is dead in eastern europe
also no art schools unless these where parents throw their kids so they do something
indeed it is