Keiko went from botanist to... schoolteacher?!
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Keiko: What do you mean the enterprise is leaving us here?
When she arrived, the station was in orbit around planet Bajor. Keiko could beem down every day to study plants. Then the station moved away from the planet, to be near the wormhole. *That's* when Keiko said: What!
@@Mecharnie_DobbsThat’s my thinking as well. When they were living right above Bajor, she could have done work helping restore some of the environmental damage done by the occupation. But when the station moved, that same work would require taking a shuttle every day
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs Now she needs to arrange a shuttle ride every time she wants to leave the station, yeah
@@rando6836 Luckily, her husband is the Chief of Operations.
If Miles o'Brien's wife asks for a shuttle spot, you better give it, or you can expect your department to be bumped a few spots down on the repair priority list.
I thought this was done masterfully. I was in the military for fifteen years and I can't even count how many dependant wives were in this exact situation. At one duty station, we had a cashier at the class six ( liquor store) who had a bachelor's degree in physics. There were no jobs for her in bumf**k Nevada, so she downgraded to be with her family. I'm pretty certain their marriage was just as tense, if not moreso, as the O'Brien's.
Any man asked me to downgrade my job for him would end with me walking away instantly. Fuck that insanity.
Higher degrees get priority when getting government jobs. On post in Germany, there were no other jobs outside of the government ones, so every spouse was clamoring for the on post jobs. You needed a Master's degree to work at the post office.
@chaotickreg7024 it's a classification, not a description, you slob
@AsheLucia Yeah, fuck the insanity of financial and health security. If you were talented and accredited enough then what are you doing with an enlisted engineer?
@@ReddFoxx1562 love is a weird thing. People do all kinds of logic defying things for it.
To be fair, as a botanist, Keiko likely had a doctorate degree and was posted on the Enterprise. She’s as qualified as anyone to teach the station’s kids
Also, if Keiko didn't know a subject, she could ask some expert on DS9 to teach it. See her husband, Miles.
She went from "the wife of the guy who just stands in the transporter room all day" to a botanist on an alien station in butt-f##k nowhere with not a single plant in sight. I'd be pissed too.
There's a planet full of uncatalogued plant life just 6 hours away by shuttle
@@tigerbread78would you tolerate a 12 hour total (6 hours each way) commute every day for work? That’s the entire daytime and half of the total day.
@@tigerbread78 and considering this at the beginning before all the Dominion stuff you'd think she'd go on a ship through the wormhole to at least catalog some plants from planets on the other side that were close. Seems like that alone would have made her a legend in the botanical field
@SoggyNico She could have spent 3 days off the station a week, this is the 24th century, she wasn't obligated to work 9-5, 5 days a week. Later on, she spends months on Bajor, without returning to the station
@SoggyNico would you go to work 8 hours a day and not get paid ... bc that's what she's complaining about. She's bored at home and wants to have someone else raise her kid while she plays with plants for no money.
Honestly, the arboretum idea was way better. If Sisko hired her as an honorary science officer, handling new flora from the other side of the galaxy, it would make so much more sense.
The one time she did go on a mission she ended up having to transfer her baby to Kira
@@potsdam28 DS9 was never going to be safe for anyone
@alexkaen1701
The Enterprise wasn't safer either. It seems like no matter what it be, space station or ship, a Federation place isn't entirely safe
@@thatonea-hole you could stay on Earth. You’d be safe. Except for VGer and the whale probe and occasional Borg or Dominion attacks…
@@potsdam28Well, and the Bell Riots and WW3, and Augments, and... but yeah, by 24th c., probably one of the better placces to be, right?
"She can just become a teacher Even though she had zero experience teaching" my sweet summer child, you have no idea how many inexperienced people are running around school teaching kids because of the teacher shortage. They're just glad anyone at all still wants to become a teacher
Yeah, but you'd hope by the 24th century they might have higher standards.
Tbf he didn't recommend she started a school, he recommended she start an arboretum... you know, like a botanist? And she was like "Nah ill start a school"
@@haddy106 didnt he even get permission from sisko to turn a spare cargo bay intothej arboretum, and draw up detailed plans and everything?
I think she felt like that was just a condescending attempt to pacify her. I'm sure it wasn't, but that's how she felt. She wanted to feel needed.
@@thobu6576That was later, after the school closed. That episode actually ends up with her going to be a proper botanist somewhere I think.
@@mahoganywolf8843 ah, its been quite a while since i last watched ds9, and I'd misremembered it as being right atthe start.
@@thobu6576Yep. And a DS9 cargo bay is massive. She could have established a centeral coordinating station for Gamma Quad botanical research and expeditions.
Edit: I was wrong abbout the timeline of when this was.
Miles and Keiko's story was actually a pretty huge step for star trek. An interracial/intercultural couple that examines the traditional marriage dynamic.
It was pretty stupid that all they could come up with was school teacher, when she's basically an interstellar NASA researcher who probably deals with interdimensional plants who can mind control you every day.
But it's better than roddenbarry
What’s lovely about the two characters is that they were born of after thoughts and fan fiction basically and became loved characters in DS9
I think most DS9 fans find Keiko only exists to enforce 'O'Brian must suffer.'
@BlazingOwnager there's a few of us who recognise that a blue collar Irish man snagging an Asian Tiger mom is actually living his best life. I think we all come from Ireland...
Too be fair to miles so much weird crap happened on the enterprise it’s no surprise he wants to leave that place, especially cause he spent 90 percent of his time in the transporter room
_Generations_ was also, like, two years later, so I have to imagine the O'Briens were pretty happy about missing that final flight.
It gets so much worse for him on DS9 though! The 'annual O'Brien torture episode' thing isn't just a meme.
In a later episode, he talks about being perpetually busy with all of the things that go wrong with the equipment on DS9, as a welcome contrast to all of the hours that he logged just standing in the Enterprise's transporter room waiting for something to happen.
Before that, he was the tactical officer in a war, and that messed him up a bit.
There was a very real possibility that Miles was ordered to DS9 by Starfleet without his consent. In the military orders to a miserable duty stations are VERY common. Keiko was just stuck in between a rock and a hard place.
The original orders had DS9 in low Bajorian orbit to geosynchronous orbit so a botanist on the station directly helping out the rebuilding of Bajor made perfect sense.
That was how Sisko got the job. I think Bashir made a point in the first episode about how he requested that assignment and Dax most likely either requested the assignment or was requested by Sisko, but those two are probably a minority among the Starfleet crew with the rest being assigned there by the admiralty.
@@wendyheatherwood Surely the brass also recognized Sisko's experience at the Utopia Planitia shipyards would be useful on an old enemy station that's in danger of falling apart?
I have always felt that the DS9 writers needed a cast member to not be absolutely THRILLED by being on an old Cardassian space station/labor camp. Keiko fit that role perfectly.
Jake wasn’t crazy about it either.
Headcanon for Keiko, the plan was she was going to be doing her botany studies stuff on Bajor but living on the station while Miles worked on board, but when the wormhole was discovered they moved the station way out into the system, outside of transporter range, so she wouldn't have been able to commute.
finally someone who watched the show
My own personal head cannon as well too.
Rebuilding an occupied world, insuring the planet had sufficient agricultural ability, was probably the highlight of the Star Fleet personnel officer that day.
A skilled repairman and a botanist on a 'high priority' assignment.
And because Molly was still just a baby she couldn't back and forth like she does later. She'd either have to leave her baby for weeks at a time or bring her to the wartorn planet with famine and all sorts of recourse shortages
I did the 80-hour DS9 re-watch that was floating around right when Aron Eisenberg passed, and it could just be that that particular "just the important episodes" list does the O'briens dirty, but like... their relationship seems HIGHLY tense and incredibly difficult whenever it's given screen time. Almost to the point where I can't understand how they make the marriage work lol
Well, given that Miles is written as the everyman, poised to suffer at every turn, it stands to reason that he suffers in marriage too. Miles suffers like the classic TV men of old, Fred Flintstone, Jackie Gleason, and Darren Stevens. Keiko, from a certain point of view, can be considered long suffering when it comes to her career. But she makes some definitely poor relationship decisions which, if it wasn't Trek would torpedo a real marriage. The only competent and functional couple is Captain Sisko and Cassidy Yates
@@bawintermage8351 I don’t think you should count out Nog and his right hand like that. Even if there _was_ that brief story arc where he considered cheating with Lefty.
I loved how this episode didn't have Rom fully developed yet. Instead, he's more typical of a Ferengi while he winds up a much more open-minded Ferengi that gets along with the Hooomans.
The weird thing is that you almost never see her teaching. She probably only teaches in two episodes. And a good chunk of the time in between those episodes, she's away on Earth and the school is closed up.
The school blew up didn't it
They kind of wasted Rosalind Chao, who probably should've been bumped to a main cast member. The few episodes they give her are instantly memorable for it, even when the script isn't the greatest.
@@Doodmeister0 it quickly got rebuilt, like almost everything tends to be in trek.
Wasn't that during the war?
@@MegaZetaI think I heard she declined doing more stuff for personal reasons but I might be mistaken
Miles: Good news, I'm transferring to DS9
Keiko: I know, Commander Riker told me last night while you were pulling a triple shift in the transporter room. You know these long distance relationships can be rough...
Miles: I know, thats why I applied for you to be the stations school teacher. They accepted it right away. Now we can be together forever.
Keiko: >=(
I honestly thought you were going to conclude that with "Wait... why were you hanging out with Riker while I was on triple shift?" and we all know the answer, haha.
She needs to hang out with Ferengi more often. She’s a trained botanist, surely there would be opportunities to set up a business importing or exporting plant samples, inspecting shipments, doing research, etc. of course she did connect with botanical research on Bajor, while getting infected by a Pa Wraith. The station would be an absolute gold mine.
It's one of the things I kinda liked about DS9. The Station, its sector and its wider region starts out as this wartorn baron backwater wilderness with absolutely nothing going for it but future potential.
But over time, massively boosted by the discovery of the Wormhole, that potential begins to be quickly realised. It goes from being a backwater to a place of great benefit and interest and significant activity and, ultimately, at the height of the war, the most important region in the entire Alpha Quadrant.
You summed up why I love DS9 so much.
They needed a scene where a Bajoran university is rebuilding and they're setting up an expedition to a nearby system and talking to the O' Brien's about it.
Keiko is like, "Well if you need another research assistant."
They reply, "What? No. We've got enough interns to keep the carnivorous plant life well fed. You're to head up the xenobotany division on the expedition."
Because Keiko is really good at her job! And then they can write her on and off the show as they please. Want her back on the station? Expedition has finished cataloging/feeding the wildlife. Want to lore dump about Bajor? Keiko POV episode.
Teaching is the easy part. Classroom management is were you earn the money.
Its the future! Most of the teaching is probably done on computers with fancy software
Teachers were seen in TNG.
@@masere yes, I'm just saying it's probably a relatively easy job
Holoteachers are probably better than rela ones. Take that, AI haters!
@@masereLike _Rascals_ where we find out that children are taught by a Hawaiian fish whose name takes up the entire width of the console.
I don't think its really that he took the job without talking to her first as such.
As a military officer, wouldn't he pretty much transfer to wherever he is ordered.
This is Star Trek- people have some say in the Federation about their assignments and transfers. Getting transferred is something you can almost always turn down and usually comes with a promotion- iirc, Riker or one of the other first officers kept turning down getting his own command to keep learning from Picard or whoever.
This was a promotion offered, but Miles is good enough at his job that he could've chosen his own assignment/ turned it down/ asked for something else/ talked to his wife about what she thinks.
Usually the only big mandatory transfer is a demotion onto a Starbase or something, and you can easily just leave Starfleet if you hate it.
@@Joanna_135It also seems you can quit at anytime. Worf and Beverly we're like I'm out. Data also but they tried to force him to stay and we know how that turned out.
@@Joanna_135 I can understand them being willing to let a promising senior officer choose (pretty much demand) to stay where he is, but a non-com?
Even in a more utopian setting like star trek, he is going to be a pretty faceless cog in the bureaucratic machine.
I think a lot of it is the sudden shift from meeting and falling in love while on the (comparatively luxurious) Federation's flagship and them Miles being posted to effectively outer Siberia. Mixing that with Miles being the sort of personality that effectively was balancing two marriages at the best of times (his career as an NCO and Keiko) and I don't know that Keiko would ever have been exactly thrilled, even if there was a direct and immediate need for a botanist. Heck, I would bet that most Starfleet ships wouldn't have had all that much more need for a botanist.
@@Stlaind i always kinda got the feeling that her main 'job' as a botanist on the Enterprise was providing a nice garden for the crew to relax in.
She never seemed like a lab work kind of person.
DS9 was originally in orbit of Bajor, so they could beam down to the surface whenever they want. Keiko can beam down to Bajor study some plants and be back for dinner. But when they move DS9 to the mouth of the wormhole in the Denarious belt in the pilot episode, Bajor is now a 12-hour shuttle ride away. Going back and forth to Bajor is now a days-long proposition.
“Miles just took the job…”. To quote the movie Top Gun: Maverick, they’re called orders.
I think Miles actually wanted the transfer, there's books explaining that he found the transporter room on the Enterprise boring
I like how O'Brien's character was so inconsequential they could have him jump from transporter room tech to genius engineer lmao
"Ever been so bored just standing around the transporter room you start memorizing the ship's technical manual just for something to do? After I finished memorizing the one for the Galaxy Class, I branched out. It... May have gotten out of hand."
Looking back at the show now, I see that they were going for a "Small western town on the range...but in space." The wormhole was the steam train bringing strangers into town. Keiko got to be the school marm. Miles was the blacksmith. The sheriff was Odo. Kira was the deputy. Sisko the mayor and Quark was the saloon owner. Dukat was a "Black Bart" type outlaw.
They literally took inspiration from The Rifleman, an old Western TV series about a widower with a young son becoming the sheriff of a frontier town.
@@digitaljanus fitting isn't it? Since the original Star Trek is said to have been pitched as Wagon Train in space.
@@digitaljanusDamnit! I grew up watching The Rifleman, among other old Westerns, and I completely missed that connection!
And Sulu went from botany to helm to command. Looks like botany can get you anywhere in Starfleet.
In the og Battlestar Galactica one of the main characters goes from Prostitute in the pilot to nurse in the second episode without any explanation and it's very funny, so at least they tried with Keiko and didn't try to gaslight me into thinking she was a teacher the whole time
I like this idea because any station or ship that becomes generational NEEDS a proper school, so it is logical (parents mostly all got critical jobs to keep their metal home in tip top shape, not much time to sit down and teach kids stuff.), and I like a character growing through pushing themselves to try new things, and it did become a part of Mog's character development to become a student.
Laying the ground work for my favorite episode of all star trek
Is it miles O'Brien episodes in the final season?
@@lordzaboem no it's the last episode of season 1 but those are pretty great too
It actually makes sense to me. I was homeschooled, and my family got involved in some homeschooler groups where the parents would teach different classes depending on their knowledge base and generally using a curriculum.
Consider that before Keiko started the school, all the kids on the station were essentially homeschooling using the some futuristic K-12 curriculum in computer. Or they weren't being educated at all, like Nog. I think Keiko is just using the same curriculum but she took it upon herself to gather the kids and give them some structured learning time. Also the show is meant to have a Western "frontier town" feel, so a mother setting up a little one-room schoolhouse fits that theme.
Think about this: Would Nog have gone to the Academy and become the first Ferengi in Starfleet if it wasn't for Keiko's school? I think probably not.
Deep space nine was in orbit over Bajor, and while the people who live there were very familiar with the plant life it is completely new to the federation. She would have had plenty to do, except in the pilot episode they dragged the space station from transporter range of the planet to the outermost part of the star system. Now the planet with plants on it is hours away by shuttlecraft.
Considering star fleet is a military organization Miles doesn’t have much say in where he wants to go. If you remember Cisco didn’t want to be there in episode one.
Keiko knew this was a promotion for miles that he couldnt pass up. What they didnt know was just how the situation was. Hell, most of the officers posted to DS9 didnt know just how bad things were. This is why she eventually does joint federation and Bajoran work in cataloging and finding solutions related to botany down on Bajor.
To go from the Enterprise D which is a luxury hotel in the stars to DS9, I don’t blame her.
She was such a shrew 😂 everyhing Miles does seems to just make her mad. I love when Sisko final says something about its not the stations job to make her happy 😂
Oh I’ve seen a lot of people switch careers. I actually liked her in the few episodes she was teaching. Then I guess they couldn’t find good story lines for her and they’re like “okay go back to being a botanist and work on Bajor.”
She was in 3body problem on Netflix. Couldn’t believe it when I realised it was her
She's fantastic in it. She's always been a great actor when given good material.
I love that Chief O'Brien was also Charlie's Irish Dad Shelly Kelly on its always sunny. Died after he saw a Banshee
Tbf what most likely happened that he was assigned to a new post by SF. And this is part of the military aspect of the organization. You can't just turn the assignment down.
Unless it was a transfer he asked for or something as the new post would be a promotion. I don't recall if it was ever stated on screen as to which one it was
I think a book stated he was looking for a change of pace
A botanist can make those students Bloom
At least in the relaunch books they get to both do what they love since they end up as part of the mission to restore Cardassia. Keiko is leading the effort to restore the biosphere statting with the plants and Miles is jury rigging half the planets infrastructure to keep things going.
Teaching doesn't require experience, but learning does.
At least the show does acknowledge her experience as a Botanist, even if it isn't her main thing anymore.
You do know he’s in the Military of the Star Trek Universe and thus he goes where he’s ordered to Go.
Please do a relationship arc, focusing on the various DS9! couples and romantic pairings and rate their effectiveness. For the Record, I call Sisko and Yates to the front!
I thought it was keikos idea to start a school after watching Jake and Nog get into trouble on the promenade
In the lore of the show the Obriens move to DS9 because it was a sleepy outpost with minimal political and tactical significance, and a safe place to raise thier child and Miles Expertise was needed there. All that changed after the events of The Emissary.
I always felt like the 'she wasn't trained as a teacher' argument was a bum rap. They've made it pretty clear that humans have vastly improved on the understanding of how we learn and how to give each student the knowledge efficiently. Teachers in the 24th century are there to provide guidance and attention to keep kids engaged and part of the education system is teaching everyone how to share knowledge and help each other learn. The number of characters who, in addition to their 'job' pretty seamlessly handle tasks that in our time are limited to academics is testament to the differences.
Keiko got her subspace online teaching degree from GWU.
Any time she is on I can't fast-forward fast enough. What a shrew.
Seems like a pretty accurate portrayal of spouses of US service members. Having to switch careers and move to far flung bases.
They were on the enterprise there's not much different than this in the space for station. Her character had nothing to do at all.
You are in the frontier, beggars can’t be choosers as far as teachers go
i understand wanting to leave the enterprise, but i think one might also experience a bit of disappointment over the fact that they were on the flagship and now they’ve kind of downgraded to somewhere safer, yes, but less prestigious. people on the enterprise made it so much of their personality that thats where they were i can imagine it’d be easy to get caught up in that. and also its understandable that, especially when first moving and not being comfortable yet, one might question if they made the right choice. i think it’s a perfectly normal thing for them to be going through
You have to think of Deep Space Nine as being the Wild Frontier. As long as there are kids who need education, anyone could be their teacher. I've watched enough Western films to notice this, lol.
They do address this eventually
IIrc DS9 was sold to Miles as a less dangerous and less stressful place to work and raise a family
Keiko's "kind of a B" arc makes total sense now.
Go from a flying Luxury Hotel, to a motel connected to a strip mall/gas station, with 0 say.... Then, as soon as she gets something to do, enter GODDAMM WINN-ADABBI💀
and it never really works out, and she is still unhappy. this becomes a plot point in later episodes where miles wants to make an arboretum for her to make her happy. bashier tells him it wont work and miles finds a botanical field expedition on bajor to ship her off to with the kid so he can spend time on his bromance with julian.
I would argue even Keiko isn't qualified to teach it's probably more of a situation where they needed someone to do this job and she stepped up.
at the end of the day, they're two separate actors and Colm Meany doesn't need his fictional wife's permission to take a main character role on a sequel series
Downgrade? Perhaps the Federation places a higher value on schoolteachers than we do. It's an incredibly important job, arguably moreso than fixing replicators and plasma conduits.
This also continues DS9's emphasis on families, something we see over and over with the Siskos.
And Keiko does have a chance to put her botany training to use in episodes to come; she does an six-month agrobiology expedition to Bajor as chief botanist.
I don't think anyone said it's a downgrade
The actress who played Keiko (Rosalind Chao) had the dual problem of nothing for her character to do on the show and lots of work available elsewhere playing Asian roles.
Given the nature of literally everything about that IP, WHAT TF IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THAT CURRICULUM???
She used her transferable skills to switch to a different career. And as a botanist she will have a set standard of education.
Also feels vaguely sexist, like "let's just find her another woman-job to do and she'll be fine"
Sometimes people adapt :)
To be fair it’s not unusual for people to put aside their careers and ambitions for the sake of raising or educating kids.
It’s not like the Federation has a crippling lack of Botanists… though they might have a crippling lack of good teachers based on … well, how everyone in Star Trek is.
enlisted engineers often get jobs without any discussion
Well, in all honesty, teaching elementary school is one of the easiest things any human being can ever do in their lifetime. It doesn't take much to switch careers to doing that.
Took me this long to realize the reason I couldn't see the new episode was that the card I used to sign up expired... I am dumb
Aww not dumb at all, but we really appreciate you being here
Keiko shouldn’t have married a military man if she wanted a normal life.
Keiko is an academic. She has at least some teaching experience, albeit with far older students.
OK. Correct me of I'm wrong but wasn't she some sort of botanist I'm TNG? I woulda thought Beijor would have been a little bit interesting in that case.
When you're not working for money then who the hell cares?
They were in orbit of a planet with a failed agricultural system. Pretty sure the writers could have done something with that
She’s an academic so switching to teaching shouldn’t be too hard.
DS9’s writing gets praise for its overarching plot. “We totally have a plan here”. But what people don’t tell you is that the writing suffered from A LOT of “we don’t know what the f*** to do with this character”. Which character? More than half of them.
I just watched Dax's extradition hearing episode and it showed just how horrible the writing is in that she could go toe to toe with Klingons but got over powered by 2 aliens while the doctor easily handled 1 of them so they obviously weren't anything special in terms of strength
basically that's America half of all American teachers have done something else before and then somehow ended up in the teaching profession no degree required and you learn how to do it by doing it
Keiko is one of the most insufferable feminists in all of star trek.
I just have to add, teaching is the easiest job I have ever had
That character has 1 good episode, the one where she gets taken over and it's not actually her. Otherwise, every episode that involves her is made worse, especially the really bad one where their kid goes from baby to adult in some weird time portal.
As the son of an elementary school teacher, I always found it kind of insulting the way Keiko just *becomes* a teacher almost on a whim. Gives the impression that anyone can do it, with no real training or experience.
It's obviously completely untrue, but it seems to be a common misconception with teachers in particular.
She married a starfleet officer. She signed up for this and has no right to be mad.
In our house we always call Keiko "Cake hole".
Disagree she was from little consequence. Maybe she had a teacher decreet in the past. Or maybe she wanted a carreer change
Keiko was one of the most annoying characters, I could t stand her constant whinging about everything. Lady you married someone who serves, this is what you signed up for.
Rare L of an observation. I feel like an astrobotanist would be a no brainer as a teacher.
I mean yeah to teach Astrobotany. How does DS9 not have a hydroponics lab or something?
@@Bawgle I don't know honestly. I was about to try and correct you and say they had a lab, but forgot that was TNG.
My guess is its more of a orbital train station, rather than a floating lab like the enterprise was.
@@Bawgle Also a professor is a professor, its not like she's an literature professor. Shes a scientist. Who better to teach math and physics and whatnot?
@@ninjabiatch101 teaching children is a completely different skillset to being a scientist or labtech.
She could easily get a job teaching in the real world
She has zero experience teaching...
So you mean she's a UA-camr that uses AI?
She has a Phd
@@hanshawks5088 yeah, in botany.
That doesn't exactly qualify her to be a school teacher.
@@thobu6576literally anyone with a GED or a bachelor’s degree can be a substitute teacher
@@thobu6576especially in like, general studies.
@@Bawgle Yeah, but you could argue that if you have a phd you could teach elementary school reasonably well. Especially since this is supposed to be a frontier kinda place where simply no one else is available.
"Gawd! We covered plant symbiosis in 3rd grade! Why aren't you dummies getting it!"
If it was modern trek, or even a modern show, they would’ve gotten a divorce. SMH. I hate new trek
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.... Seems like there was no botany on bajor or any of its moons. Poor writing
Ouch on behalf of good teachers everywhere.