Well, I dont agree that meditation cant help fast. I remember that just after one month of daily meditation and general mindfulness in my day to day life there was a big shift in my well being. Hell, even realizing that I am not my thoughts, that all thsi thoughts and emotions come and go and are just a mere product of pure conditioning boosted my self esteem and confidence to another level :) Its completely world changing - “All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.”
It seems like it can work fast for some things, but take years for others. I felt considerably calmer after a month of doing 60 min/day. On the other hand, my shyness is still quite intact after 1,5 years, though I've seen some improvement lately.
This guy kept saying the most outrageous side affects whilst he says that is "normal", he's been brain washed to believe that all of those side affects are "normal". I respect the fact that he doesn't remove comments with opposite views.
lol but this is normal because life is full of that shit, it is okay to not be okay sometimes. the people are freaking put from depression which makes it worst. and that is why everything is okay and fine you accept that you feel like shit and you move on. ignoring the feelings and emotions however is the bad thing that cause serious brake-downs
I'm definitely experiencing the common side effects..and this is a major relief. I thought I was losing myself,my emotions are all out of wack, I'm crying and angry then I'm happy... and I'm beyond annoyed with ppl. it's been like this for 3 days and i was considering breaking up with my spouse and moving away from everyone. Thank you sooo much I'm so grateful I found your channel...I wanna cry right now 😢
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)
Hey, I assist people experiencing those kinds of side effects. If you're interested in working with me, you can send an email to meditationillness@gmail.com Best, Annelies
This video is actually pretty good. I've been a meditation practitioner since I was 18 years old. I'm now 31. the most important thing to understand though, is that meditative states have to be mastered before you go too deep. the problem with teaching analytical meditation too soon, when a student has not learned how to maintain a meditative State long enough to get through the past experience, is that it could be pulled up permanently. This could totally screw up society.and unfortunately, in the west this is what started to happen because people destroy the original concepts behind meditation and try to censor thisdark side of meditation because they haven't figured out themselves, before they started to teach, how to deal with those dark area.. there have been many meditation practitioners who tried to claim that they've mastered meditation, but they still are acting out of ego. You should never trust anyone who claims that they could teach you, when clearly their ego is involved with this. Yoga teachers who claimed that they have a certification, ARE NOT teaching how to overcome your past. there's no certification course that someone can actually take to obtain enough knowledge to teach single pointed to analytical meditation. Insight meditation wasdiscovered the Buddhism, and the truth is you can't exclude the Buddhist concepts which teach you HOW to think or How to go about dealing with your mind when you come across something negative. The truth is, all these things do exist in your mind depending on who you are. And one of the biggest discouragements that most westerners have when they're trying to understand meditation techniques or the concept of being empty in the mind, is when they hear this warning that you may experience something that you've put away so that you don't experience it again. the fear and whatever emotions surrounding that experience could come back in the present moment, because our mind labels things with emotions. When you experience all these things when we're not even meditating the entire thought of meditation is put off, because we simply have no tools yet to deal with these things. do the truth is, you have to be taught properly how to master a meditative State. And you also have to be taught the proper methods of realizing when your mind has had enough of meditation. Because, meditation requires mental energy and if you lose a meditative State while you're in one of these deep parts of your unconscious mind, you going to be instantly disconnected from managing and letting go of the emotions, and this stuff will be thrown into your conscious mind where you have a breakdown in your present life. Meditative state, is tool and a shield at the same. it should be understand, that your awareness is not it actually attached to your mind. And you are rather observing your mind with your awareness. proper practice of learning the difference between your awareness and your thoughts /emotions and the correlation between them and the different forms of consciousness should be taught first so this does not feel intimidating to new practitioners.. I will say, that it is definitely a good video that we have here. It explains the dangers that we all need to be aware of. But we also need to learn properly how to begin meditation and prepare ourselves mentally for any of these situations. As a good teacher will actually think of this before hand. the problem with UA-cam, is that everyday people have a tendency to skip ahead when they become bored. Which for a teacher, who is concerned about whoever's learning, we can't easily help people as those people don't even know the proper terminology to even describe to themselves, much less us, as to what's going on when requesting how to overcome these things.
OMG! me too! But don't stop, it's a "peeling off" process, ego DOES put a lot of fight, also depending on how many attachments we have, just embrace going through the whole cycle :)
Some of that happens when you take psychedelics as well - deep fears or doubts, etc. start surfacing, but in the next phase you feel better and more positive. Defragmentation is a great way to put it.
Well said! As much as people don't want to acknowledge it this type of meditation is rooted in Hinduism makes it a spiritual practice. This is why he expresses that you will be plagued by things undesired. You're interacting with the spiritual realm! Jesus saves!
I was so alarmed by this! I myself bought into meditation some years ago. Fortunately, I gave it up after only a few months of practicing it because of worrying visions (more and more people are currently turning away from such practices). My perception of the human existence - body and soul - was, like yours, so dry and mechanistic! I'm not questioning your good intentions, but how guilt-ridden, desperate, careless and, ironically, blind must you be if you experience so many and such intense and dangerous feelings such as suicidal thoughts, being "controlled by a puppet master", etc., years into meditation, and still choose to believe that it is just a phase, not that the practice altogether is downright wrong and against any natural and divine law! The only way to find meaning and be happy and sane is by giving and caring, there is no magical technique, no easy way out of the messy and painful reality of relating to other people, and it's the only way to be mindful and heartful. If you want to get rid of selfishness you must invite in compassion, and the only way to do this is by actually becoming compassionate - fake it until you make it, until it becomes second nature! You cannot "purify" yourself because, as you admit, you are impure to begin with, full of dark instincts, feelings and thoughts. This is utter arrogance and pride, which I myself was guilty of and still struggling with. Trust in Jesus and work your way through life patiently and humbly with small and steady steps. Personally, I experienced the healing of a trauma I'd never hoped could be cured, among other miracles He has made in my life. If we want some peace of mind and real "emotional labor", as you say, why don't we spend 20 minutes of our day, every day for the rest of our lives, helping a person in need instead of sitting by ourselves, isolated from the world? Respect and protect yourself and those around you, don't waste your life -years of it!- entrusting it to people -your teachers, I guess- who stumble through the dark, just like you, and are not brave or humble enough to admit they were wrong, or have been so anesthetized through the process that cannot tell real inner peace from superficial soothing (the bait to keep you hooked). Question everything and everybody, and don't give up your free will so easily. You can read Father Seraphim Rose's Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, it's an eye-opener! Also, the following comments on this video, and meditation in general: ua-cam.com/video/T0Sbs0YOGk8/v-deo.html
Personally I’ve never had any suicidal thoughts or feelings nor have I had any spells of depression or something. I’m really glad I watched this in case this does happen. Thank you so much for this! You’re the best and we love you Leo. Have a blessed day 💙
Brother, I’m praying for you because what meditation does is to empty the mind and be vulnerable to demonic attacks. I hope you’ll come to realise that those things that are abnormal as a result of meditation are highly demonic... rather than something normal.
This so truth. And the only spiritual book you need to read is The Bible. Ask your 'higher self', your 'spirit' what does it think of Jesus of Nazareth? You will see that it will disappear fast... that demon. Just watch her tell you that. ua-cam.com/video/5bgZIBkS9qQ/v-deo.html
@@chiloch3384 No my friend you are right, this book will not empty or clear your mind... it will full your mind of goodness and love for others. I am new to this christian world, my first real prayer was today and my second one, in my life, will be for you Astral loc. For I pray whit all of my heart and love that I have for you, that you will see the truth
@@benitoben198 and I am no longer christian after waking up and deciding to seek real truth, I no longer have to pray or rely on an external force/book/person to feel loved or complete. Good for u tho 😁💙
@Jess S. Hi Jess, I just wanted to send some love and praise God for calling to Himself, as a child of God. I am sorry that you have problems from years of this stuff, but I encourage you to give it to Jesus. He is the Mighty Healer and Redeemer, able to give back what the locusts have eaten. You are perfectly created by God and He has a plan for you life, with or without the memory. This is where we get our strength, from the Lord. There is nothing on earth more precious than being a child of God. You're more valuable then all the riches combined. Please let that be your meditation. That the Lord has written your name in the Book of Life. Now shine forth with the glory of God!
God doesn't give a shit if ppl meditate or not, He cares about the lake of fire & ppl not being in it. You churchians need to check yourselves w/the self righteous "God loves me bc I'm a good little Christian" nonsense, its pointless. You look like a bunch of emotional ego maniacs putting so much effort in outward appearance w/focusing on how you appear to others instead of sharing the truth. True faith is absent of ego bc it is a gift of God & none of yourselves, or your "ego"-eph2:8-9. No surprise a religious person telling someone its dangerous to dissolve an ego. &How do you know that woman is saved, you dont even know what she believes? Belief in jesus alone wont save. Ego isnt a good thing it is the carnal man. Remember Christ died while we were yet sinning, & he didn't do it bc he was obligated to, he did it out of pure grace when we deserved his wrath
@@shitsfuckedupnstuff5865 Ego means different things, common language it means pride, boastfulness (what Eph is warning against) with Meditation it refers to the self, meaning your "being". Meaning if you empty yourself, other beings can take its place (spirits). The Biblical God explicitly warns against these types of practices of engaging in the spirit realm using forms of divination, meditation is one such technique.
@@Volcanic47 meditation/meditate is mentioned in scripture 20 times & about all 20 times as a good thing. Its defined as " to revolve in". God wants ppl to meditate on his word. The Word is an alive thing heb.4:12. It reads you as you read it. Hardly anyone today actually reads scripture for what it is, probably bc they dont rightly divide it in order to really believe what its saying. Jer.17:9 says only the Lord can know your heart (mind) so not the devil/spirits. Satan can influence ppl's thoughts through temptation bc we're still on a sin cursed earth, but he nor anyone other than the lord can know the mind. When you meditate in the word you revolve in it w/ the Holy Spirit, if you're saved. When the lost meditate they're not meditating in truth so while it may benefit them temporarily, its not truly profitable in their inner being bc it isnt made alive by the Spirit through faith in the truth of salvation (christs death burial & resurrection for their sin). Scripture doesn't say spirits can enter the mind if you meditate, it does say Satan blinds the minds of them that believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ should shine unto them 2cor.4:4. I know I might appear as an asshole, I wont hesitate to admit I suck at being christian. I'm just beyond annoyed w/ fakes spreading emotional nonsense leading to more mockery & deceit.
I’m unfortunately going through the dark night right now, and have been for almost a year. But thankfully have grown to understand that this is positive and necessary for my greater purpose and soul’s evolution. Weirdly enough, I never meditate and am experiencing this, along with several other things you went over. I have however, always been very connected to those types of things, and open to the spirit world/received messages from spirits for as long as I remember. Could that be why I’m experiencing this without ever meditating? I can absolutely understand now how people can totally lose themselves through this. The person that you once were completely dies. I truly don’t recognize who I was before. I’ve grown to not care about stupid materialistic things and money, or things that don’t matter in the big picture. And this can be very shell shocking at first like you said, where you feel like life and everything to do with It is pointless and meaningless. I’ve teetered close to that edge, it’s a constant battle. My best friend was murdered last May, and my little brother was in a traumatic accident not even 6 months later. My entire world went black and life felt like it was crashing around me. I’ve kept up a good fight against it, it really feels like a constant darkness trying to suck you under and sometimes it wins and you feel like you’re drowning. However, despite all of this bad stuff, it has transformed me into a person that I can whole heartedly say that I love, and I’ve never been able to say that, and actually believe it. I’m proud of the person I am, and things never seemed more clear. My intuition about everything is stronger than ever, and I never question it because it’s always right. One of the most painful and traumatic things to go through, but there’s a reason you were chosen to go through it. I believe this happens because we’re meant to do bigger things ♥️ sending love to anyone else going through this. Just know that you can fight it and come out on the other side. Don’t let it suck you in
My experience, after years of meditation, was not in some mind blowing experience or special state. I simply became the awareness I had always been and watched the mind, the mind's thoughts, and the ego-personality created by the mind and it's thoughts unentangle themselves. When this happened, it became self-evident that all these thoughts and ego-personality traits were all acquired and accumulated externally. It also became self-evident that I was the awareness that was aware of them but...at the same time...awareness became aware that the mind, it's thoughts, and the ego-personality formed by the mind and it's thoughts were nothing more than a conditioned reaction to my series of quite random life experiences. Upon this insight all depression, worry, and anxiety came to an end.
This episode was so useful, so eye opening. I've experienced quite a lot of the common side effects (especially the mood swings and the madness) and also a few of the weird ones, which were actually pretty cool xD
Thank you Leo, I stopped meditating because I hasd experienced some of what you discussed here since my last Vipassana retreat. I have practiced meditation on and off for 13 years. I am now worse than when I started off. Those, whom are close to me have also noticed a change in me, my energy is very dark these days and I am no longer glowing like I use to with happiness. I can't even stomach looking at yoga, reiki, chi quong, I cringe when I think of going back to my Zendo, and I can't believe I even had a meditation routine for so many years. This talk was needed.I was waiting for you to cover this aspect of meditation. I know it is part of the death of the ego, but it is so hard to do. After writing this, I am going to sit again, and surrender. I now see why i must be consistent and keep meditating. Thank you.
This is the most honest view of meditation I’ve seen. Everyone thinks meditation is all positive and good when it’s not. You won’t know all of this until you try it. Just like with everything in life it’ has side effects and is not for everyone.
You don't have to face all this and you don't have to face this alone. Give your life to Jesus and He brings you out all of this and He is with you and He heals you.
Absolutely. I’ve taken breaks from meditating when it’s felt too much, personally I don’t set a time limit or anything for when I return to it I find myself naturally being pulled back to it. It’s like I get an urge to meditate and I start again, it just feels like my soul or heart needs it like a hug
This was extremely helpful. I have been afraid to go back to meditation sometimes because I notice when I start doing it regularly, I can get days where it feels life has no meaning and is empty. I hate those days, but this video encourages me to go back. I've also experienced several of the other things you've mentioned, good to know we should expect them, and that meditation still has value.
Screw this. I already have had years of depression and anxiety, after a couple of months of meditation, in 1988. What's the use of this suffering? Lots of data and stories, in recent years, of this dark side. I have felt so much more even in moods, since quitting meditation. Maybe the hidden mind / brain stuff is SUPPOSED to stay hidden, to help the organism to survive. If it's cyclical, it may NEVER get resolved. Thanks, you sealed the deal, finally, for me. Everybody wants to have spiritual experiences, until they actually have them. What is the difference between these symptoms and those of the mentally ill?
Maybe you should try a new form. Maybe you should fix your root cause problems? Did you do it everyday. I like your comment btw. I haven’t experienced this at all. My life is just getting better and better from it. Interested in your perspective. Much love
Things are filed away in your mind for a reason which is why long term meditators experience negative filed away feelings resurfacing such as trauma etc. Meditation is unlocking the deeper parts of your psyche when those things were meant to be locked away as a way for you to deal with those things in time. The sufferings of long term meditators is well studied. They show an increase in depression and anxiety, and experience the dark side of it(what is shown in this video). Maybe, the way your brain is naturally structured is how it's meant to be, there is nothing wrong with your brain and your not meant to alter it. Trying to eliminate the ego has been linked to depersonalisation because it's unnatural and unhealthy. These new age practices are from Eastern mysticism, the beliefs that teach your natural state of being should be changed and that the ego is the source of humanity's problems when in reality your mind shouldn't be altered in that way, and in reality sin and the state of man, is the source of issues. Eastern beliefs and practices have been made popular to the west by the likes of Aleister Crowley and Anton Lavay, who formed what is now known as the church of Satan, who believe Lucifer to be the most enlightened being. m.ua-cam.com/video/T0Sbs0YOGk8/v-deo.html
@@Necrogeared Depends. There are variations of Satanists, many who believe it literally like many prominent leaders within the church of Satan, the reason there are many modern atheist Satanists at all. Either an Satanist is atheist or not, the philosophies and practices they live by is basically the same. Just that the satanists that take it more literally are just more fundamental to traditional satanism. It's like the difference between a "cultural' muslim or christian, and a fundamentalist of either of those. The real Satanists, if you like.
@@Max-xf1mwYes, there are are variations of "Satanism", of which "LaVeyan Satanism" *is* a specific variation. And no, the philosophies aren't "basically the same among all" , this can pretty easily be researched. For instance, some can be boiled down to intentional inversions of major religions, whereas LaVeyan Satanism has been described as "just Ayn Rand's philosophy with ceremony and ritual added".
It's funny, it's a joke to you, but since I am so full of hatred... I kind of have just learned to use it. I meditate a lot too. I can see the meaningless of reality. I just get to choose to be a Machiavellian in recognizing this. Disconnecting from my humanity and empathy.
Yes.. i was meditating up until I saw this... my mental health is fucked up so bad.... I don't need all this happening. :( what is the point in meditation to start feeling all this shit ... idk
I have meditated x 35-40 years. You forgot to mention one danger..... it is addictive. If I dont have time to meditate... I am tired and cranky. Why meditate.... It helps me focus, eliminates need for stomach medication, and gives me energy. I have actually experienced a few of the symptoms you discussed. The most disturbing.....painful memories of child molestation.. These thoughts have been deeply buried for years. However, after listening to your video... I can deal !!! Thank you with all my heart !!!! Bless you for sharing !!!!
Meditation is a technique that exposes your mind to the spirit world (i.e. demon territory). This inherently makes the practice extremely dubious as far as I'm concerned. Whatever it offers with one hand expect to be taken by the other.
It really does. At the level I am right now I start to see weird entities, spirits standing in my house and possibly demons. For real it's very disturbing, almost like watching a thriller. The question is how you deal with that, and right now it's 6am in the morning, I haven't slept a bit and I think of going to church in the later to talk to a priest
So basically y’all are meditating to become bipolar? I’m bipolar and all of the symptoms (both the symptoms and the benefits/non symptoms) sound like manic depressive cyclical episodes, ijs 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Chemchem Mathmath meditation is the way to liberation. these are side effects. like drugs. nit everyone on zoloft has anal bleeding, and seizures. not everyone who meditates go's through this. I personally havent.
I feel meditation is in a way making you also a bit more obsessive. It is not totally freedom. But a little bit looking at your belly the whole time. Or try to be in a kind of mindset. It can make you more dissociated from reality in a way. From just living your life. I also think I dont know a lot of people who are réally happy and also meditate. It seems that they can have a hard time in enjoying normal life activities, but hell yeah the meditation is so liberating! ... Not sure.., Not judging here anyone. Still exploring But too much trying and thinking etc to change or to liberate can make you more away from who you are and just enjoy like a kid. Can make things more complicated. Or you can get lost in your own 'reality/thinking.'
I have felt the puppet strings and I would never wish that upon anyone. It was the scariest feeling of my life. I love you Jesus Christ and I thank you for everything good in my life.
I would say that adding the ‘wisdom factor’ (as described in detail in Buddhist teachings) can substantially cut down negative experiences of meditation. These include things like how various attachments we have influence our experiences, how the 'five hindrances' can adversely affect meditation, how greed/hate comes into the equation, understanding facilitating factors of enlightenment, the importance of ethical conduct and its contribution to the ability to focus the mind, loving-kindness meditation, etc., etc.
Leo, I fucking love your work. But this episode was especially intimate for me (as the newbie) as it showed a side of yourself where you struggled. It brought a sense of ease and calm over me because I start to think that "even Leo has gone through all this shit". I guess the newbie paints a very stoic picture in their mind of how invincible you are to suffering and that turns into an idolizations. I take across from your videos that you are this awesome guy who has mastered everything in life. I know i need to doubt/question that but that is how i feel sometimes, especially when i feel shit. I also take some of the stuff you say quite literally. For example, you said: "If you take a psychedelic and come back to ordinary reality and don't appreciate it, you are doing it wrong" (not exact quote). Well I am experimenting LSD and had some deep experiences but I felt guilty of feeling depressed after because I thought I was doing it wrong, but it in actual fact it was my ego resisting what is possible. I guess I am saying it would be helpful if you showed more of the vulnerable side to yourself.
This resonates with me. I was actively meditating between 2011-2013. During that time I had few small depressions. I saw 4 dimensional objects in the middle of my sleep. Interdimensional parties right inside my bedroom. Lucid dreams. Very few OBEs. Heard orchestral compositions which did not belong to any known composer. Weird dreams. Then, I stopped meditating. Everything stopped. Weird sht. And I was ordinary again. Sweet ordinaryness. But recently, around the end of 2015 I started meditating again. This time it wasn't color games and weird sights. I had few severe depressions. In one of them I was so angry to the existance, to the ordinary matter and the attached suffering caused by it, that I wished everything to end. Like annihilate into nothingness. Everything seemed so meaningless. My future, things I ought to do. Then I was all angry and irritable. The ego stuff came back, I was judgemental on eveything and everyone. Then I questioned why the hell I'm doing this. It was a serious debate with myself and I couldn't convince myself that this was necessary. Although I continued. The things in my life, the depressions, are gone as they have appeared. They left scars obviously, but I take them as a remembrance of cleaning of sht in me. Recently I developed a method to stop myself from falling into the ego. I "bring" in the witness, as Sri Aurobindo puts it, to observe through my eyes, my ego's eyes. I try to do that often because only then everything that cause suffering seem small and meaningless. Then I think about a higher dimension where each of us have a higherself, connected intimately. People that I fail to communicate, my enemies and people I dearly hate, are connected on a higher level. They are watching the acts of egotistical creatures, probably eating popcorn and laughing at the pityfulness of everything we think and do. Coupled with meditation, this pattern caries me forward today. I'll see where it leads. I recently started a better diet. Started doing sports more regularly. Gaining weight (I'm a bit underweight). And also I do not fear death. Few times where my chest hurt (because of previous day's workout probably) I wasn't fighting to hold on but ready to give up, if it was time. I think I'm currently living as best as I can until my time runs out, which I look forward to.
You shouldn’t look forward to death. God gave you this life to live not to sit in a room closing your eyes and then to remember bad shit about past. Every moment counts so dont waste your time pal .
@@MeghanaMaggie01 it’s not looking forward to death like it comes off, I know exactly what she means. When you go through that deep depression and trauma, and go through difficult times like this, you become so awake and enlightened, and unafraid of everything. She (and I) knows that whatever’s on the other side is pure love, happiness, and bliss. It’s a place where none of these small worries matter, and you’re surrounded by everyone that you love. I would debate that no matter how good or bad of a life you have, I’d think anyone would be excited to get to a place like that. It doesn’t necessarily mean you wanna die and are suicidal or just counting down the days until it’s over. But more so not being afraid of death, and knowing that there’s something indescribable on the other side that we’ve been able to get glimpses of. Hope that makes sense ♥️ My best friend was killed in May, and my little brother died in a traumatic accident not even 6 months later. There have been points that I felt like I was drowning, but I no longer have any fear of anything, especially death. I agree and will say that I can’t wait for that day either, because it’s going to be the most beautiful experience of this life. But until then, I’ll enjoy every second holding onto my sweet little daughter who will be two soon 💗 but know that when people say this it’s not a death wish, just an excitement for a beautiful life and reunion beyond this world 🙂
What an elaborate answer! With this video, I realise I have reached another stage in my practice as I am experiencing depression and seeing no meaning in most things I do. Experiencing nothingness yesterday led me to understand those with suicidal thoughts. I felt more alone when I could only find emphasis on the good sides of meditation when searching for answers; but this video puts it all in perspective for me. Growth is uncomfortable and to have order we must first have chaos. Thank you for this video.
I was having all these symptoms (minus the weird ones liking howling and astral planing) when I was about 50. It was called midlife crisis, a time of extreme growth, turmoil and questioning. I was coincided to let it pass through me and not take drastic actions. So glad I followed that advice. Now I'm 58 and meditation is helping me coming out the other side.
Thank you Leo for this video. I've had a couple of very scary months due to my self-inquiry and shadow work habit. It is so relieving that you're talking on this subject.
I experience awakenings in middle of the night, with the need to stand up, and intense spinal tingles. Also the sensation of both arms being lifted at my side without controlling them. A lot of plays of time and space changing, expanding etc. Interestingly, I discovered the paradox of these emotions arising after about a year of consistent meditation is that the meditation has expanded the inner space, and hence the remarkable capacity and ability to perceive, detach and ingrate any negativity as it arises. It's literally proof of the inner shifts and changes. Amazing.
Although it was a bit frightening at first, I took the same approach as which I have by now discovered is the most remarkable with all of the shifting facets of my gradual expansion- I don't resist. I let the initial fear exist, realizing it actually only feels like fear because it's an unexperienced, unfamiliar sensation so the instinctual reaction is caution. But if you remain still, remain totally present, and let it flood you, I have found these moments to be sort of pipelines to direct access to a creation of a new inner space, where undefined by logic, reason or a story based on the way the brain always tries to connect dots of logic as to 'why'. You can just 'be', purely, since you surrender the need to control, understand or judge the state your in. The ability to be so damn open to allowing this is echoing throughout my life, and is so beautifully humbling- how limited we are, how much life can be and feel beyond what we already know, how limiting my defined emotional capacity was when in my earlier points in life I was in a self-created prison by trying to control and match my outer world to conventional ideas, instead of giving things a chance to emerge in ways beyond my minds limits. It's an opportunity to actually sense and connect to being unattached to any outcome or judgment of the very present. I hope this makes sense... Basically, just go with it! Let it flood you. Just be, no fear, no explanation. Lean into the sensation. That in upon itself will change how you step into life.
When I surrender and leave fear exist, I feel like I'm going to die. In fact I got to hear a loud voice said to me "You're going to die." From that moment I have afraid to let it flow. Before seeing this video and even then I'm afraid to "stay on the journey" (stay as we might say crazy). I appreciate the time you give yourself to share and support me on this trip. Thank you very much, Marni.
In other words, meditation gradually affects certain regions of the brain in the same way psychedelics do in half an hour. Most of the symptoms you mentioned happen through an ayahuasca or magic mushroom trip. But, through meditation the changes are permanent and of course, mediation is the way to go. It's all about biochemistry in some way.
This actually motivated me more and start meditating again. Basically don't get attached to either the positive or negative effects of meditation because its a ride and whenever it changed you may feel bad cuz you got attached to that phase. Just be mindful and keep loving.
I love your videos Leo. I have been practicing meditation and higher learning for the last 5 years. The changes that have occurred in my life are absolutely mind boggling! I live in a area where meditation or any eastern idea is incredibly foreign. I am very thankful for the Internet. If not for the Internet, I would be a complete island. I have experienced many of these negative effects over the last few years. I have dealt with kundalini energies and that can be incredibly overwhelming.. This video is comforting. I have noticed people have been posting videos criticizing you. For every 1 critic there are 100 others that fully support and love your insite.. Thanks Leo.. peace my friend., jason..
Thank you so much for this, I knew it was "normal" but it's the first time I hear someone talking about this so clearly, listing so much things I felt, I have a tendency to run away smoking pot when meditation is becoming too hard to stand, horrible nightmares so much fear waking up, crankyness loneliness and so much more that you listed, I really needed to hear that, you made me cry a lot, thanks again
In last two years my life is between job quit and vipassana retreat center. I left multiple jobs for the practice. After 4 years of practise, i even doubt the technique. Hahahaha...now i am both jobless and top of that hopeless. Double bam!
@Aritra Chatterjee are you really unable to connect the dots. You are literally losing everything and insisting on holding on to the satanic practice of meditation. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the light. Call out His Holy name.
Throughout my meditation practice I’ve always thought of these dark arisings and forces as the power of the dark side trying to stop you from moving forward. The stronger you become, the harder the dark side attacks. And this video explains it perfectly. If we are possessed by our egos, and the ego is the devil himself, then the closer we get to God and spirituality, the bigger the battles you’ll have to face against the devil himself. Leo, I’m sending a big thank you to the universe today for your existence and for this video. Be blessed.
I’ve been doing it for like 3 months and yesterday I hit rock bottom depression and anxiety and meaningless! I tried meditating and for the first time since starting, I literally could not! Then I researched if there are negative side effects and YUP. I honestly feel better watching this. Knowing it’s not just me and it’s normal. I think meditation isn’t for me though.
Thank you for the video, Leo! I've established a meditation streak and have noticed some of the neurotic quirks you mention, so this video helps me know I'm not going insane... Also, Just FYI, i've been consistently following the Life Purpose Course for the past several months, taking the time to do EVERY exercise as you'd said. It's been a beautiful journey to learn and grow with the your guidance. Just last week, I finally wrote out my one-sentence purpose. This in turn helped me hit it out of the park at a job interview. That said, I'm not done yet... I'm now starting the "making it real section" and plan to do all the exercises there. But again, thank you for your work! And for anyone else reading this, do buy the course and do the exercises, its packed with loads of information and will genuinely help you develop your life (as long as you take on the responsibility of doing the exercises!).
This has got to be the most helpful, comforting, confirming, and inspiring video I've ever seen for my own personal experience. Feel very encouraged and relieved. Thank you so much. ♥
I've been afraid to meditate for years because I had an out of body experience and thought if I kept meditating I would have a bad experience and wouldn't know how to process it. Thanks for your very informative video.
I was so relieved to hear that there are side effects of meditation and that it is part of the process! 4 years back I liked yoga, but I picked a school (Prana yoga) which was a lot more than popular yoga classes. I remember thinking to myself what strange adult people attending classes...some like even very old. I liked it! So without any knowledge or intention I just kept going there three times a week. Like normal classes after school or work. After three months I had had an accidental enlightenment (only now I learned from your videos that that was it), and since then my parents think that I had a 10 years late rebellious teenager behavior (because when I was a teenager I was a super closed person).. So, I had stopped for good for forever and now I regret I didn't manage to go forward. But it was super rough... I had made an impression that the negatives outweigh the positives. But I am back and following your teachings to take baby steps and be mindful along the way
This scares me. My anxiety is so bad I thought maybe by trying meditation I could find peace.....if it got worse I'd have to check myseinto a mental hospital. This is scary😶
I have meditated many times in my life. Never had any of these side effects. Part of the journey in life is to understand that you as a human being have a physical vehicle known as the ‘body’ and this body has a mind that gets hit with all the obstacles and troubles that life throws at us. So it makes sense to think of our body as a car, and that when we meditate we put it park and turn it off, and let all the negativity of life to pass through us like the clouds in the sky
I am in the "meaningless" stage, i gave up meditating and even caring about becoming a worse version of myself because literally all these side effects happened and sometimes i just couldn't control it and went back to comfy life, but i do not feel happy and i know it makes more sense for meditation to make me and everyone around me happier, just never really had hope like this. I always punished myself if my ego resurfaced and these things happened and just thought it was too late. As of today i'm restarting my meditation habits. Thank you very much.
I have only mediated once for 30 days every day for 20 minutes exactly every morning from 6am-6:20 and the experience was so fantastic, I felt calm, relaxed, I clearly felt like the world was going faster and hectic and I was going slower, relaxed and aware of any questions made to me, I would answer by first analyzing and then answering in the happiest and wholesome way, I felt connected to GOD or could just have been myself, or both, GOD residing in me, It really is a fantastic journey. we all have demons in us but we have learned to co-exist and abide by it, so in a way we suffer less by confronting it or them, when the time comes with feeling some weird things, just go along with it, and you will be another person completely by the time you reach that level, ready to confront and understand what you cannot understand now. Mediation is so worth it and it aligns you in such a way that you begin to appreciate what you have and feel happy with what you have so you think less and less of what you wanted or thought you needed to be fulfilled, thus feeling appreciative of life. you really do begin to understand and accept that we are all one. Even killing a small bug will affect you someday and will affect everyone in away. Strange but so true. Anyway just a bit of positive notes on this vid which is incredible because no one talks about the dark side of meditation and everything has a dark side and this isn't bad, it is part of life, a good side cannot exist without its counterpart. anyway just finished giving some ESL classes online and came across this video which seems really interesting. Mediate, stay with it, it will give you a life you could only have dreamed of, it organizes your thoughts and thus you. Good luck to all and don't stop because of fear or because you don't understand something, keep going, find your way through it, not around it.
Jesus is the truth, the way and life. He gave me the peace and love meditation could never give me. Meditation gave me depression. Jesus took all that depression away. Thank you my lord and saviour!🙏❤️
Hi Leo - You're someone who seem to really enjoy what you're doing and really care. You're kind to give all these clues without trying to take advantage of people. You are very intelligent, you could be easily try to take advantage of the large group of people who follows you and adheres to your teachings. This is very generous. You are giving a real plus to people who never had a chance to be exposed to this kind of ideas and concepts in their life. Sometimes, you could if you wanted in fact, insist a bit more on a disclaimer at the beginning of your videos. Some people who are very basic can easily misinterpret what you're saying. Some others might want to take advantage of your strengths to build their own community. But because you seem to be genuine, no one can harm you. Your open-mindedness and generosity is good Leo. Also you are a very good presenter and a clear speaker. Please keep up the good work.
It sounds like it’s not the meditation causing these side effects but just your normal state of mind. Some people use meditation and spirituality as a way to avoid doing real therapeutic work through counselling. Sometimes a person needs an outside perspective or we can drift without a compass to guide us.
This is one of my favorite videos. When I went through these phenomenon, I was glad that I had started to sit with my emotions. It took what seemed like forever to figure this one out. Thank you for the mirror
I have always found it hard to concentrate on mediation so I decided to a listen to a guided, fall asleep session online. I did this twice only and started experiencing disturbing demonic night terrors that had my husband shaking me awake, night after night because I was screaming in my sleep. I vivid and lucid dream every night anyway and found myself trying to plead with the "devil" to leave me alone night after night. I have since then had to seek help from a Chakra specialist. Had this happened to anyone else? My dreams have returned to normal now after the clearing.
Jesus Christ is the only one who can safe you from the devil. You found yourself pleading with the devil to leave you alone then you went to a servant of the devil whether he knows it or not to ask for help. I find that very scary to be honest. If you haven't given your life to Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness please do, the devil never just lets people go because of some chakra specialist
the taoists and yogis of all sorts work not only with the mental sheath, the mind sheath, through concentration and meditation practices, but do so in coordination with work on the energy body, the prana, the qi/ki. nowadays we especially need to purify the food sheath, the physical body, too. for example, what to do with all that sexual energy being aroused? how about control it and direct it to higher centres? there is much work to be done for the sake of cultivating awareness. yogis didn't develop posture (asana) practices and breath retention (pranayama) practices because they needed to pass the time in an entertaining way. these practices all support each other: as meditation purifies the mind sheath, asana purifies the food sheath, and pranayama purifies the energy sheath. objective samadhis as you spoke of, leo, such as merging with a lamp, purify the wisdom sheath, while the objectless samadhi of merging with nothingness, purifies the bliss sheath. this is according to some yoga schools of thought. Great message in this video, it will help many seekers from succumbing to the traps, and gives us reminders that motivate us as we are now more mindful to reframe apparent obstacles. thanks!
+galikazoid Great comment, the Taoists have a rich tradition in place towards evolving the bodies. It's great Leo is decoupled from any particular tradition though, the insights he gives seem a lot more unrestrained and untainted by expectations. Robert Bruce took a similar route but in working with the energy body and developed one of the most useful systems around today imo.
Before i didn't realize that the darkest ( depression , stress , anxiety ... ) moments is also a part of spiritual purification now because I thought that spirituality is all feeling good but actually isn't . Tank you so much Leo From My Heart ❤️
What a interesting video. While you were listing the potencial problems that might happen I immediately remembered the story of Buda, the part when he is very close to ative the enlightment. He is siting meditating under a tree and then Maha ( kind of deity/demon) appears and starts to test him with all sorts of egotistical temptations, I believe that this episode is called the "temptations of Maha" and are all the stuff you just described: anger, fear, lust, spiritual arrogance, scary images and delusions. Then when Buda overcame all those tests he finally became the enlighted one. What it seems to me is that you were explaining to us the temptations of Maha with a 21st century language. :) I'm from Brazil, so I apologize if my english isn't quite correct, I hope you can understand what I have written, though.
In the name of Jesus, may all these chains of the enemy be broken for everyone involved in this satanic and dangerous practice. May you'r eyes be opened to the word of truth. Amen
I used to meditate everyday, but some of the things you mentioned started happening to me. People started noticing it and I've been told that I am getting crazy. My mother even suggested to take to a psy. I was scared and I dropped my meditation habit. Thanks to you, I'll be back to it and be sure it is safe and positive.
again, thank you! my life is going on a path that I never thought could be possible! it's hard rn, but every day I get glimpses of this huge, beautiful "thing", that rn sort of terrifies me and is really confusing and sort of hard to grasp, but I just know that's just the resistance! my life and future is going to be rich and fulfilling because of you, thank you
I reached that dark point after reaching tranquility. I felt so good that I told others to meditate. The dark spot hurt a lot and it felt like the depression I fought off came right back. I wish I knew beforehand that that it just part of the process.
Be careful guys. Be ready to give up self derived meaning; be ready to see through every illusion: even the illusion that you have anything at all to grasp and call a foundation (and not to just acknowledge it intellectually but to really feel it in your bones)... If you are interested in the human world and human pursuits: if these things still move you and fill you with passion: be careful with meditation it may rip all of these things away from you... there is nothing inherently bad about stories. Stories can be bursting with beauty and profound meaning. But sometimes stories require that we lose ourselves in them: you may lose this ability to not see behind the curtain... Meditation is a serious business. Be careful!
Yess I get you here. But are you absolutley sure that it is not dissociating you with the 'physical, ego person' that you are and that you were when you came to this earth? I feel why would you alter that? Why would you aim for that? Why would you let go of yourself, your character in this life, Then you could be better be air right? In a way. I don't believe in the 'purpose' of overcoming your ego... But I believe in dealing and relating in the best way possible option with your ego. I feel after a lot of years from propure meditation also a kind of dissociation from the person that i really was. And where I was happy with in my early life.
Hey Leo! Great insights and some of the weird stuff, but also benefits are already experinced. It is good to know that many more would come. Been meditating for 2 years now everyday. Keep up the good work and thank you for sharing🙏
I wish this video was released 7 months earlier. I went literally insane and had to go to rehab and take anti depressants, which put a stop in my daily meditation. I have recently started again with meditation and hope to be more prepared this time for the negative side effects.
i would like to see a video in which you tell us about some of the weirdest, most interesting experiences that resulted fron your daily meditation, now that you've doing it for quite a while. you probably have some stories to tell
I have been waiting on the heat of coals since the 5-meo-DMT video release, Expecting to watch more of that content. I'm starting to believe that Leo is becoming a Buddha V.2 , No joke but i don't like the fact that i'm Believing everything he says.
sak sezo well, i personally don't believe in everything he says. i suppose he doesn't want you to buy into everything he says, to be honest. that would mean you don't have the capacity of analysing and meticulously thinking and questioning yourself about what other people say, no matter how right they are. i do think he knows how to explain complex things in a simple yet compelling way, and he often presents every opinion/point of view with confidence, and that obviously makes people perceive him as some kind of book about everything. he's right about many things, though.
There is a form of communicative peace that bears no negative side effects. It is called prayer. I know many will dismiss the idea of a personal God, however, He promises that if you seek Him you will find Him. Rather than experiencing negative side effects as a result of dwelling with Him, He provides Himself as the refuge for those who dwell in times of darkness. He promises peace to those who come to Him. This peace surpasses our understanding. Truly seek Him with all of your mind...not an empty one. You will discover that there is a love so great it is unfathomable. blessings.
Leo thank you so much, I hope you will read this answer.. I wish there would be more Smart and Truth-Telling people like you out there and not only promoting Meditation and Mindfulness for their goals.. You just showed me why I was failing at meditating, because I wasn't ready to get my trauma out and experience it, that was my fear. now I know what to do and take a break from meditation. Thank you Leo.
No it's different than that.... It's exaggerated for of that.. But as we accept the negetive nature it ends instantly and you are better person suddenly... It's cleaning up negativity... People who are not spiritual.. They have this thing but it's their general nature
This stuff never happens to me ...interesting. But I did have interesting dreams, geometric images, and blinding light at night quite often when meditating. I do center myself and ask for protection as I enter into the meditative space. I do have luminous orbs visit me during this time....I photograph them often. But what is key...I ask for protection from Christ and from the angels who keep me company. So maybe asking for protection prior to entering sacred silence is the key to avoiding the. Unwanted entities. However....the zchristian mystics (Teresa of Avila, Padre Pio) often experienced entities and demons....they survived their ordeals because they took control in the name of Jesus Christ. These mystics became infamous for their mastery and control over the experiences of entitities... Interesting stuff. Spiritual purification for sure.
Please don't play with demons. Christ actually gives supernatural peace when problems given over to him (read Philippians 4) but without any negative side effect. Makes no sense to participate in meditation that worships universe, creation instead of creator and allows demonic spirits, enemies of God, to enter your mind, and then to ask Jesus for protection. He loves you, wants to be your Father and bless you if you entrust your life to him alone! "Have no other gods" is the First Commandment and new age is very seriously breaking it which separates one from God. "Repent, then, and turn to God (believing in Jesus only), so that your sins may be wiped out" (Acts 3:19)
Meditation is for life!! not the other way round unless your purpose is ideological. Personal 'growth' is overrated. We can 'think' we are growing and not grow at all. If it helps us it is good in my opinion, otherwise not worth it as I don't subscribe to any of the eastern ideologies to put up with the side effects.
I don’t care what any of you say, something good for your spirit should NOT make us feel this way. Bring anxiety etc. When I have never experienced it before and it’s been years since I went into deep meditation.
Regarding first part: Everything said here can be attached to 'if you don't believe in God here is what awaits you' Or 'if you gain extra weight, here is what awaits you' Or 'if you go to work here is what awaits you' Or 'if you don't get employeed here is what awaits you' Or 'if you {whatever} here is what awaits you' Did you get the point? It means you are human ;)
A lot of this happened to me and last week I stopped my daily habit because of of these sideeffects. But this video motivated me to keep meditating, thanks to you Leo!
Now I don't want to start meditation anymore. I'm the type of person that acts on their thoughts and impulses often. If I start having these thoughts it could fuck my life up. (Specifically the suicidal thoughts).
The reason I got into meditation was to get clarity, peace, happiness & awareness. I didn't think there would be side effects such as these, but it does makes sense. In order to get peace, clarity, happiness etc. You have to let go of all the negatively/fears that are in your subconscious mind. Meditation will bring everything to the surface so that you can either face/observe it or let the ego get in the way & fall deeper. It all about having an open mind, I will continue meditating because it seems worth it in the long run.
Its always insane how I always find the perfect video to help me and understand when I stumble upon a problem, feeling or whatever it might be. Backsliding, dealing with toxic people, dealing with negative emotions, dealing with jealousy and dark side of meditation are only a few I can come up with that has kind of in a weird way come to me when i mostly need them. I dont know theres so much more i got to say but I will sum it up with: your channel and site is a masterpiece
Thank you for this video. I am just starting meditating and today’s meditation caused an insane bout of rage and hopelessness. I was ready to do something crazy. WHY does this happen?!
Well, I dont agree that meditation cant help fast. I remember that just after one month of daily meditation and general mindfulness in my day to day life there was a big shift in my well being. Hell, even realizing that I am not my thoughts, that all thsi thoughts and emotions come and go and are just a mere product of pure conditioning boosted my self esteem and confidence to another level :) Its completely world changing - “All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.”
It seems like it can work fast for some things, but take years for others. I felt considerably calmer after a month of doing 60 min/day. On the other hand, my shyness is still quite intact after 1,5 years, though I've seen some improvement lately.
preach brother yeah i agree
that's when the placebo effect comes into play. belief is more powerful than reality
maybe it was best for you but I must say it took me 3 months to get the first benefits of meditation
We have scientific studies that verify the benefits of meditation.
This guy kept saying the most outrageous side affects whilst he says that is "normal", he's been brain washed to believe that all of those side affects are "normal". I respect the fact that he doesn't remove comments with opposite views.
That's because he's not judgmental, that's something we all should do
Gray Au NO YOURE JUST A FUCKING KID STFU
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lol but this is normal because life is full of that shit, it is okay to not be okay sometimes.
the people are freaking put from depression which makes it worst.
and that is why everything is okay and fine you accept that you feel like shit and you move on.
ignoring the feelings and emotions however is the bad thing that cause serious brake-downs
New age demonic influence Christ warned us to flee from these things.
I'm definitely experiencing the common side effects..and this is a major relief. I thought I was losing myself,my emotions are all out of wack, I'm crying and angry then I'm happy... and I'm beyond annoyed with ppl. it's been like this for 3 days and i was considering breaking up with my spouse and moving away from everyone. Thank you sooo much I'm so grateful I found your channel...I wanna cry right now 😢
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)
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Same... It's kinda nuts sometimes.
Keep going, like anything it is a tool.
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Alright Leo, you’ve qualified me for the video. Guess I should continue watching it to get the insight.
Hey, I assist people experiencing those kinds of side effects. If you're interested in working with me, you can send an email to meditationillness@gmail.com
Best, Annelies
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This video is actually pretty good. I've been a meditation practitioner since I was 18 years old. I'm now 31.
the most important thing to understand though, is that meditative states have to be mastered before you go too deep.
the problem with teaching analytical meditation too soon, when a student has not learned how to maintain a meditative State long enough to get through the past experience, is that it could be pulled up permanently.
This could totally screw up society.and unfortunately, in the west this is what started to happen because people destroy the original concepts behind meditation and try to censor thisdark side of meditation because they haven't figured out themselves, before they started to teach, how to deal with those dark area..
there have been many meditation practitioners who tried to claim that they've mastered meditation, but they still are acting out of ego. You should never trust anyone who claims that they could teach you, when clearly their ego is involved with this.
Yoga teachers who claimed that they have a certification, ARE NOT teaching how to overcome your past.
there's no certification course that someone can actually take to obtain enough knowledge to teach single pointed to analytical meditation.
Insight meditation wasdiscovered the Buddhism, and the truth is you can't exclude the Buddhist concepts which teach you HOW to think or How to go about dealing with your mind when you come across something negative.
The truth is, all these things do exist in your mind depending on who you are. And one of the biggest discouragements that most westerners have when they're trying to understand meditation techniques or the concept of being empty in the mind, is when they hear this warning that you may experience something that you've put away so that you don't experience it again.
the fear and whatever emotions surrounding that experience could come back in the present moment, because our mind labels things with emotions.
When you experience all these things when we're not even meditating the entire thought of meditation is put off, because we simply have no tools yet to deal with these things.
do the truth is, you have to be taught properly how to master a meditative State. And you also have to be taught the proper methods of realizing when your mind has had enough of meditation. Because, meditation requires mental energy and if you lose a meditative State while you're in one of these deep parts of your unconscious mind, you going to be instantly disconnected from managing and letting go of the emotions, and this stuff will be thrown into your conscious mind where you have a breakdown in your present life.
Meditative state, is tool and a shield at the same.
it should be understand, that your awareness is not it actually attached to your mind. And you are rather observing your mind with your awareness. proper practice of learning the difference between your awareness and your thoughts /emotions and the correlation between them and the different forms of consciousness should be taught first so this does not feel intimidating to new practitioners..
I will say, that it is definitely a good video that we have here. It explains the dangers that we all need to be aware of. But we also need to learn properly how to begin meditation and prepare ourselves mentally for any of these situations. As a good teacher will actually think of this before hand.
the problem with UA-cam, is that everyday people have a tendency to skip ahead when they become bored. Which for a teacher, who is concerned about whoever's learning, we can't easily help people as those people don't even know the proper terminology to even describe to themselves, much less us, as to what's going on when requesting how to overcome these things.
Thank you!
How many hours we should meditate in a day??
man, am going through most of this and I thought I was going crazy, I feel so much better, thanks Leo peace
Me too, this is exactly what I needed
oh really. Nice to see that am not the only one dealing with this. I wish you good luck bro
What about demons, emotions amd actions?
OMG! me too! But don't stop, it's a "peeling off" process, ego DOES put a lot of fight, also depending on how many attachments we have, just embrace going through the whole cycle :)
Natalia Trotsay It's too scary the whole process. I got to the point where I don't know should I continue with my practice.
Some of that happens when you take psychedelics as well - deep fears or doubts, etc. start surfacing, but in the next phase you feel better and more positive. Defragmentation is a great way to put it.
Wow.. this is such a put off of meditation.... who wants to meditate and see demons. And turn into a lamp. . 🙄
chezza Foster people who take salvia 😭
Where does he talk about demons?
Well said!
As much as people don't want to acknowledge it this type of meditation is rooted in Hinduism makes it a spiritual practice. This is why he expresses that you will be plagued by things undesired. You're interacting with the spiritual realm! Jesus saves!
Flee run from this, do your research as to where meditation come from. It's demonic Satan can appear as an angel of light to lure you in.
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I was so alarmed by this! I myself bought into meditation some years ago. Fortunately, I gave it up after only a few months of practicing it because of worrying visions (more and more people are currently turning away from such practices). My perception of the human existence - body and soul - was, like yours, so dry and mechanistic! I'm not questioning your good intentions, but how guilt-ridden, desperate, careless and, ironically, blind must you be if you experience so many and such intense and dangerous feelings such as suicidal thoughts, being "controlled by a puppet master", etc., years into meditation, and still choose to believe that it is just a phase, not that the practice altogether is downright wrong and against any natural and divine law! The only way to find meaning and be happy and sane is by giving and caring, there is no magical technique, no easy way out of the messy and painful reality of relating to other people, and it's the only way to be mindful and heartful. If you want to get rid of selfishness you must invite in compassion, and the only way to do this is by actually becoming compassionate - fake it until you make it, until it becomes second nature! You cannot "purify" yourself because, as you admit, you are impure to begin with, full of dark instincts, feelings and thoughts. This is utter arrogance and pride, which I myself was guilty of and still struggling with. Trust in Jesus and work your way through life patiently and humbly with small and steady steps. Personally, I experienced the healing of a trauma I'd never hoped could be cured, among other miracles He has made in my life. If we want some peace of mind and real "emotional labor", as you say, why don't we spend 20 minutes of our day, every day for the rest of our lives, helping a person in need instead of sitting by ourselves, isolated from the world? Respect and protect yourself and those around you, don't waste your life -years of it!- entrusting it to people -your teachers, I guess- who stumble through the dark, just like you, and are not brave or humble enough to admit they were wrong, or have been so anesthetized through the process that cannot tell real inner peace from superficial soothing (the bait to keep you hooked). Question everything and everybody, and don't give up your free will so easily. You can read Father Seraphim Rose's Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, it's an eye-opener! Also, the following comments on this video, and meditation in general: ua-cam.com/video/T0Sbs0YOGk8/v-deo.html
Thank you
Personally I’ve never had any suicidal thoughts or feelings nor have I had any spells of depression or something. I’m really glad I watched this in case this does happen. Thank you so much for this! You’re the best and we love you Leo. Have a blessed day 💙
Brother, I’m praying for you because what meditation does is to empty the mind and be vulnerable to demonic attacks. I hope you’ll come to realise that those things that are abnormal as a result of meditation are highly demonic... rather than something normal.
This so truth.
And the only spiritual book you need to read is The Bible.
Ask your 'higher self', your 'spirit' what does it think of Jesus of Nazareth? You will see that it will
disappear fast... that demon.
Just watch her tell you that. ua-cam.com/video/5bgZIBkS9qQ/v-deo.html
Man shut the fuck up a book will not clear your mind
Meditation will.
@@chiloch3384 No my friend you are right, this book will not empty or clear your mind... it will full your mind of goodness and love for others.
I am new to this christian world, my first real prayer was today and my second one, in my life, will be for you Astral loc.
For I pray whit all of my heart and love that I have for you, that you will see the truth
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@@benitoben198 and I am no longer christian after waking up and deciding to seek real truth, I no longer have to pray or rely on an external force/book/person to feel loved or complete. Good for u tho 😁💙
The way of Jesus is peace, love and joy. Jesus came so that you could have life and have it abundantly, and the enemy came to kill, steal and destroy.
heather biller Amen 🙏🏽
@Jess S. Hi Jess, I just wanted to send some love and praise God for calling to Himself, as a child of God. I am sorry that you have problems from years of this stuff, but I encourage you to give it to Jesus. He is the Mighty Healer and Redeemer, able to give back what the locusts have eaten. You are perfectly created by God and He has a plan for you life, with or without the memory. This is where we get our strength, from the Lord. There is nothing on earth more precious than being a child of God. You're more valuable then all the riches combined. Please let that be your meditation. That the Lord has written your name in the Book of Life. Now shine forth with the glory of God!
God doesn't give a shit if ppl meditate or not, He cares about the lake of fire & ppl not being in it. You churchians need to check yourselves w/the self righteous "God loves me bc I'm a good little Christian" nonsense, its pointless. You look like a bunch of emotional ego maniacs putting so much effort in outward appearance w/focusing on how you appear to others instead of sharing the truth. True faith is absent of ego bc it is a gift of God & none of yourselves, or your "ego"-eph2:8-9. No surprise a religious person telling someone its dangerous to dissolve an ego. &How do you know that woman is saved, you dont even know what she believes? Belief in jesus alone wont save. Ego isnt a good thing it is the carnal man. Remember Christ died while we were yet sinning, & he didn't do it bc he was obligated to, he did it out of pure grace when we deserved his wrath
@@shitsfuckedupnstuff5865 Ego means different things, common language it means pride, boastfulness (what Eph is warning against) with Meditation it refers to the self, meaning your "being". Meaning if you empty yourself, other beings can take its place (spirits). The Biblical God explicitly warns against these types of practices of engaging in the spirit realm using forms of divination, meditation is one such technique.
@@Volcanic47 meditation/meditate is mentioned in scripture 20 times & about all 20 times as a good thing. Its defined as " to revolve in". God wants ppl to meditate on his word. The Word is an alive thing heb.4:12. It reads you as you read it. Hardly anyone today actually reads scripture for what it is, probably bc they dont rightly divide it in order to really believe what its saying. Jer.17:9 says only the Lord can know your heart (mind) so not the devil/spirits. Satan can influence ppl's thoughts through temptation bc we're still on a sin cursed earth, but he nor anyone other than the lord can know the mind. When you meditate in the word you revolve in it w/ the Holy Spirit, if you're saved.
When the lost meditate they're not meditating in truth so while it may benefit them temporarily, its not truly profitable in their inner being bc it isnt made alive by the Spirit through faith in the truth of salvation (christs death burial & resurrection for their sin). Scripture doesn't say spirits can enter the mind if you meditate, it does say Satan blinds the minds of them that believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ should shine unto them 2cor.4:4. I know I might appear as an asshole, I wont hesitate to admit I suck at being christian. I'm just beyond annoyed w/ fakes spreading emotional nonsense leading to more mockery & deceit.
I’m unfortunately going through the dark night right now, and have been for almost a year. But thankfully have grown to understand that this is positive and necessary for my greater purpose and soul’s evolution. Weirdly enough, I never meditate and am experiencing this, along with several other things you went over. I have however, always been very connected to those types of things, and open to the spirit world/received messages from spirits for as long as I remember. Could that be why I’m experiencing this without ever meditating? I can absolutely understand now how people can totally lose themselves through this. The person that you once were completely dies. I truly don’t recognize who I was before. I’ve grown to not care about stupid materialistic things and money, or things that don’t matter in the big picture. And this can be very shell shocking at first like you said, where you feel like life and everything to do with It is pointless and meaningless. I’ve teetered close to that edge, it’s a constant battle. My best friend was murdered last May, and my little brother was in a traumatic accident not even 6 months later. My entire world went black and life felt like it was crashing around me. I’ve kept up a good fight against it, it really feels like a constant darkness trying to suck you under and sometimes it wins and you feel like you’re drowning. However, despite all of this bad stuff, it has transformed me into a person that I can whole heartedly say that I love, and I’ve never been able to say that, and actually believe it. I’m proud of the person I am, and things never seemed more clear. My intuition about everything is stronger than ever, and I never question it because it’s always right. One of the most painful and traumatic things to go through, but there’s a reason you were chosen to go through it. I believe this happens because we’re meant to do bigger things ♥️ sending love to anyone else going through this. Just know that you can fight it and come out on the other side. Don’t let it suck you in
This is scary. Listen to Steven bancarz.
Wtf? Suicidal thoughts are totally fine? Arguing with your spouse or children and being emotionally abusive is ok? WTF
this is garbage
You aren’t your thoughts you are the awareness. Those thoughts aren’t you, they are your ego.
My experience, after years of meditation, was not in some mind blowing experience or special state.
I simply became the awareness I had always been and watched the mind, the mind's thoughts, and the ego-personality created by the mind and it's thoughts unentangle themselves.
When this happened, it became self-evident that all these thoughts and ego-personality traits were all acquired and accumulated externally.
It also became self-evident that I was the awareness that was aware of them but...at the same time...awareness became aware that the mind, it's thoughts, and the ego-personality formed by the mind and it's thoughts were nothing more than a conditioned reaction to my series of quite random life experiences.
Upon this insight all depression, worry, and anxiety came to an end.
I sort of came to the same realization, but more through late nights spent in deep thought.
This episode was so useful, so eye opening. I've experienced quite a lot of the common side effects (especially the mood swings and the madness) and also a few of the weird ones, which were actually pretty cool xD
Heya Bruno, have these common side effects dissipated?
Thank you Leo, I stopped meditating because I hasd experienced some of what you discussed here since my last Vipassana retreat. I have practiced meditation on and off for 13 years. I am now worse than when I started off. Those, whom are close to me have also noticed a change in me, my energy is very dark these days and I am no longer glowing like I use to with happiness. I can't even stomach looking at yoga, reiki, chi quong, I cringe when I think of going back to my Zendo, and I can't believe I even had a meditation routine for so many years. This talk was needed.I was waiting for you to cover this aspect of meditation. I know it is part of the death of the ego, but it is so hard to do. After writing this, I am going to sit again, and surrender. I now see why i must be consistent and keep meditating. Thank you.
This is the most honest view of meditation I’ve seen. Everyone thinks meditation is all positive and good when it’s not. You won’t know all of this until you try it. Just like with everything in life it’ has side effects and is not for everyone.
What video did you watch? He clearly is PRO meditation!
You don't have to face all this and you don't have to face this alone. Give your life to Jesus and He brings you out all of this and He is with you and He heals you.
Absolutely. I’ve taken breaks from meditating when it’s felt too much, personally I don’t set a time limit or anything for when I return to it I find myself naturally being pulled back to it. It’s like I get an urge to meditate and I start again, it just feels like my soul or heart needs it like a hug
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Wishing everyone Love, Strength and Courage on your journeys....
Oh... You old kinded soul... Love ya! Same to you!
I really enjoy the meditation videos you're putting out lately. Really shows the good and the "bad" side of it :)
Holy fuck man, didn't expect to find a comment of yours in this video. I 'm a big fan of your work! Do you still watch Leo?
This was extremely helpful. I have been afraid to go back to meditation sometimes because I notice when I start doing it regularly, I can get days where it feels life has no meaning and is empty. I hate those days, but this video encourages me to go back. I've also experienced several of the other things you've mentioned, good to know we should expect them, and that meditation still has value.
Look guys demons exist whether you believe or not. Attempt to leave your temple and many things will like to say hi
What
shut up trying to scare ppl
LMAO
the more light u radiate, the more moths you will attarct. and u litterally radiate light. they actually meassured the photons.
@Anthony Skidmark hahahahah good one.. but the moths i see are a metaphore for something very different. ;)
Screw this. I already have had years of depression and anxiety, after a couple of months of meditation, in 1988. What's the use of this suffering? Lots of data and stories, in recent years, of this dark side. I have felt so much more even in moods, since quitting meditation. Maybe the hidden mind / brain stuff is SUPPOSED to stay hidden, to help the organism to survive. If it's cyclical, it may NEVER get resolved. Thanks, you sealed the deal, finally, for me. Everybody wants to have spiritual experiences, until they actually have them. What is the difference between these symptoms and those of the mentally ill?
Maybe you should try a new form. Maybe you should fix your root cause problems? Did you do it everyday. I like your comment btw.
I haven’t experienced this at all. My life is just getting better and better from it. Interested in your perspective. Much love
Things are filed away in your mind for a reason which is why long term meditators experience negative filed away feelings resurfacing such as trauma etc. Meditation is unlocking the deeper parts of your psyche when those things were meant to be locked away as a way for you to deal with those things in time. The sufferings of long term meditators is well studied. They show an increase in depression and anxiety, and experience the dark side of it(what is shown in this video). Maybe, the way your brain is naturally structured is how it's meant to be, there is nothing wrong with your brain and your not meant to alter it. Trying to eliminate the ego has been linked to depersonalisation because it's unnatural and unhealthy. These new age practices are from Eastern mysticism, the beliefs that teach your natural state of being should be changed and that the ego is the source of humanity's problems when in reality your mind shouldn't be altered in that way, and in reality sin and the state of man, is the source of issues. Eastern beliefs and practices have been made popular to the west by the likes of Aleister Crowley and Anton Lavay, who formed what is now known as the church of Satan, who believe Lucifer to be the most enlightened being.
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@@Max-xf1mw For what it's worth, LaVeyan Satanism is atheistic, and does not believe in the existence of Lucifer.
@@Necrogeared Depends. There are variations of Satanists, many who believe it literally like many prominent leaders within the church of Satan, the reason there are many modern atheist Satanists at all. Either an Satanist is atheist or not, the philosophies and practices they live by is basically the same. Just that the satanists that take it more literally are just more fundamental to traditional satanism. It's like the difference between a "cultural' muslim or christian, and a fundamentalist of either of those. The real Satanists, if you like.
@@Max-xf1mwYes, there are are variations of "Satanism", of which "LaVeyan Satanism" *is* a specific variation. And no, the philosophies aren't "basically the same among all" , this can pretty easily be researched. For instance, some can be boiled down to intentional inversions of major religions, whereas LaVeyan Satanism has been described as "just Ayn Rand's philosophy with ceremony and ritual added".
it makes me think of bipolar disorder
Initial reaction reading the title :
"Yes.. Yesss... Let the mindfulness flows through you"
Yeah, i've had that moment when i'm angry all the time.
hahaha i think that too sometimes :D
+A Happy Broccoli i love you
It's funny, it's a joke to you, but since I am so full of hatred... I kind of have just learned to use it.
I meditate a lot too. I can see the meaningless of reality. I just get to choose to be a Machiavellian in recognizing this. Disconnecting from my humanity and empathy.
+David Cendana good leo... good...
why would someone meditate after watching this lol
I don't know! Lol
Exactly...I came here considering meditation because I have alot of these issues already. If it got worse I'd need to be locked up
Yes.. i was meditating up until I saw this... my mental health is fucked up so bad.... I don't need all this happening. :( what is the point in meditation to start feeling all this shit ... idk
@@jnw405 same.
@@wuutnopepe613 how do you mean? :)
I have meditated x 35-40 years. You forgot to mention one danger..... it is addictive. If I dont have time to meditate... I am tired and cranky. Why meditate.... It helps me focus, eliminates need for stomach medication, and gives me energy. I have actually experienced a few of the symptoms you discussed. The most disturbing.....painful memories of child molestation.. These thoughts have been deeply buried for years. However, after listening to your video... I can deal !!! Thank you with all my heart !!!! Bless you for sharing !!!!
Meditation is a technique that exposes your mind to the spirit world (i.e. demon territory). This inherently makes the practice extremely dubious as far as I'm concerned. Whatever it offers with one hand expect to be taken by the other.
It really does. At the level I am right now I start to see weird entities, spirits standing in my house and possibly demons. For real it's very disturbing, almost like watching a thriller.
The question is how you deal with that, and right now it's 6am in the morning, I haven't slept a bit and I think of going to church in the later to talk to a priest
Why I got out of spirituality it was so much demonic activity I had to leave spirituality alone
So basically y’all are meditating to become bipolar? I’m bipolar and all of the symptoms (both the symptoms and the benefits/non symptoms) sound like manic depressive cyclical episodes, ijs 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Chemchem Mathmath meditation is the way to liberation. these are side effects. like drugs. nit everyone on zoloft has anal bleeding, and seizures. not everyone who meditates go's through this. I personally havent.
Tren Babone Nope, this is for all of those who are advanced in meditation. There is a dark side, not just a side effect. It’s very common.
Chemchem Mathmath say's who? you an experienced meditator? religious people threatened by fear of other spiritual practices? or your perspective view?
Hahaha hahaha! This! 👌
I feel meditation is in a way making you also a bit more obsessive. It is not totally freedom. But a little bit looking at your belly the whole time. Or try to be in a kind of mindset. It can make you more dissociated from reality in a way. From just living your life.
I also think I dont know a lot of people who are réally happy and also meditate. It seems that they can have a hard time in enjoying normal life activities, but hell yeah the meditation is so liberating! ... Not sure..,
Not judging here anyone. Still exploring
But too much trying and thinking etc to change or to liberate can make you more away from who you are and just enjoy like a kid. Can make things more complicated. Or you can get lost in your own 'reality/thinking.'
I have felt the puppet strings and I would never wish that upon anyone. It was the scariest feeling of my life. I love you Jesus Christ and I thank you for everything good in my life.
OMG, I can’t thank you enough for this video!! I sincerely thought I was losing my mind!!
You ARE losing your mind! And that's a great thing! No mind, no problem ;) But the mind will not go without a fight.
what will happen when you won;t be able to control it?
Actualized.org
What happens when you get institutionalized for constant suicidal thoughts and attempts?
@@TheBelovedDisciple144 That has nothing to do with meditation. That is the program
Leo, are you meditating on mushrooms? I've been meditating for 2 hours a day, and I haven't experienced any of the things you talk about.
Either you don't have any repressed unconscious aspects in your mind or you are using meditation to avoid them.
I would say that adding the ‘wisdom factor’ (as described in detail in Buddhist teachings) can substantially cut down negative experiences of meditation. These include things like how various attachments we have influence our experiences, how the 'five hindrances' can adversely affect meditation, how greed/hate comes into the equation, understanding facilitating factors of enlightenment, the importance of ethical conduct and its contribution to the ability to focus the mind, loving-kindness meditation, etc., etc.
Leo, I fucking love your work. But this episode was especially intimate for me (as the newbie) as it showed a side of yourself where you struggled. It brought a sense of ease and calm over me because I start to think that "even Leo has gone through all this shit". I guess the newbie paints a very stoic picture in their mind of how invincible you are to suffering and that turns into an idolizations. I take across from your videos that you are this awesome guy who has mastered everything in life. I know i need to doubt/question that but that is how i feel sometimes, especially when i feel shit. I also take some of the stuff you say quite literally. For example, you said: "If you take a psychedelic and come back to ordinary reality and don't appreciate it, you are doing it wrong" (not exact quote). Well I am experimenting LSD and had some deep experiences but I felt guilty of feeling depressed after because I thought I was doing it wrong, but it in actual fact it was my ego resisting what is possible. I guess I am saying it would be helpful if you showed more of the vulnerable side to yourself.
You should watch "beware of false prophets" by Actualized. He speaks about the first part of your comment
Did you get lsd in India?
Nope and onions are the best vegatable
Heard Canadians don't need onions because carrots aren't outlawed yet.
i cried the first three times I was meditating...sad memories of formerly good friends came up
great video =)
This resonates with me. I was actively meditating between 2011-2013. During that time I had few small depressions. I saw 4 dimensional objects in the middle of my sleep. Interdimensional parties right inside my bedroom. Lucid dreams. Very few OBEs. Heard orchestral compositions which did not belong to any known composer. Weird dreams.
Then, I stopped meditating. Everything stopped. Weird sht. And I was ordinary again. Sweet ordinaryness.
But recently, around the end of 2015 I started meditating again. This time it wasn't color games and weird sights. I had few severe depressions. In one of them I was so angry to the existance, to the ordinary matter and the attached suffering caused by it, that I wished everything to end. Like annihilate into nothingness. Everything seemed so meaningless. My future, things I ought to do. Then I was all angry and irritable. The ego stuff came back, I was judgemental on eveything and everyone. Then I questioned why the hell I'm doing this. It was a serious debate with myself and I couldn't convince myself that this was necessary. Although I continued. The things in my life, the depressions, are gone as they have appeared. They left scars obviously, but I take them as a remembrance of cleaning of sht in me.
Recently I developed a method to stop myself from falling into the ego. I "bring" in the witness, as Sri Aurobindo puts it, to observe through my eyes, my ego's eyes. I try to do that often because only then everything that cause suffering seem small and meaningless. Then I think about a higher dimension where each of us have a higherself, connected intimately. People that I fail to communicate, my enemies and people I dearly hate, are connected on a higher level. They are watching the acts of egotistical creatures, probably eating popcorn and laughing at the pityfulness of everything we think and do.
Coupled with meditation, this pattern caries me forward today. I'll see where it leads.
I recently started a better diet. Started doing sports more regularly. Gaining weight (I'm a bit underweight).
And also I do not fear death. Few times where my chest hurt (because of previous day's workout probably) I wasn't fighting to hold on but ready to give up, if it was time. I think I'm currently living as best as I can until my time runs out, which I look forward to.
You shouldn’t look forward to death. God gave you this life to live not to sit in a room closing your eyes and then to remember bad shit about past. Every moment counts so dont waste your time pal .
@@MeghanaMaggie01 it’s not looking forward to death like it comes off, I know exactly what she means. When you go through that deep depression and trauma, and go through difficult times like this, you become so awake and enlightened, and unafraid of everything. She (and I) knows that whatever’s on the other side is pure love, happiness, and bliss. It’s a place where none of these small worries matter, and you’re surrounded by everyone that you love. I would debate that no matter how good or bad of a life you have, I’d think anyone would be excited to get to a place like that. It doesn’t necessarily mean you wanna die and are suicidal or just counting down the days until it’s over. But more so not being afraid of death, and knowing that there’s something indescribable on the other side that we’ve been able to get glimpses of. Hope that makes sense ♥️
My best friend was killed in May, and my little brother died in a traumatic accident not even 6 months later. There have been points that I felt like I was drowning, but I no longer have any fear of anything, especially death. I agree and will say that I can’t wait for that day either, because it’s going to be the most beautiful experience of this life. But until then, I’ll enjoy every second holding onto my sweet little daughter who will be two soon 💗 but know that when people say this it’s not a death wish, just an excitement for a beautiful life and reunion beyond this world 🙂
What an elaborate answer! With this video, I realise I have reached another stage in my practice as I am experiencing depression and seeing no meaning in most things I do. Experiencing nothingness yesterday led me to understand those with suicidal thoughts. I felt more alone when I could only find emphasis on the good sides of meditation when searching for answers; but this video puts it all in perspective for me. Growth is uncomfortable and to have order we must first have chaos. Thank you for this video.
I was having all these symptoms (minus the weird ones liking howling and astral planing) when I was about 50. It was called midlife crisis, a time of extreme growth, turmoil and questioning. I was coincided to let it pass through me and not take drastic actions. So glad I followed that advice. Now I'm 58 and meditation is helping me coming out the other side.
Thank you Leo for this video. I've had a couple of very scary months due to my self-inquiry and shadow work habit. It is so relieving that you're talking on this subject.
I experience awakenings in middle of the night, with the need to stand up, and intense spinal tingles. Also the sensation of both arms being lifted at my side without controlling them. A lot of plays of time and space changing, expanding etc. Interestingly, I discovered the paradox of these emotions arising after about a year of consistent meditation is that the meditation has expanded the inner space, and hence the remarkable capacity and ability to perceive, detach and ingrate any negativity as it arises. It's literally proof of the inner shifts and changes. Amazing.
Hi Marni M! It closely resembles what is happening to me. Could you tell me a little about how did you overcome them? Thanks Marni.
Although it was a bit frightening at first, I took the same approach as which I have by now discovered is the most remarkable with all of the shifting facets of my gradual expansion- I don't resist. I let the initial fear exist, realizing it actually only feels like fear because it's an unexperienced, unfamiliar sensation so the instinctual reaction is caution. But if you remain still, remain totally present, and let it flood you, I have found these moments to be sort of pipelines to direct access to a creation of a new inner space, where undefined by logic, reason or a story based on the way the brain always tries to connect dots of logic as to 'why'. You can just 'be', purely, since you surrender the need to control, understand or judge the state your in. The ability to be so damn open to allowing this is echoing throughout my life, and is so beautifully humbling- how limited we are, how much life can be and feel beyond what we already know, how limiting my defined emotional capacity was when in my earlier points in life I was in a self-created prison by trying to control and match my outer world to conventional ideas, instead of giving things a chance to emerge in ways beyond my minds limits. It's an opportunity to actually sense and connect to being unattached to any outcome or judgment of the very present. I hope this makes sense... Basically, just go with it! Let it flood you. Just be, no fear, no explanation. Lean into the sensation. That in upon itself will change how you step into life.
When I surrender and leave fear exist, I feel like I'm going to die. In fact I got to hear a loud voice said to me "You're going to die." From that moment I have afraid to let it flow. Before seeing this video and even then I'm afraid to "stay on the journey" (stay as we might say crazy).
I appreciate the time you give yourself to share and support me on this trip. Thank you very much, Marni.
you seem to know whats up.
You are getting possessed
In other words, meditation gradually affects certain regions of the brain in the same way psychedelics do in half an hour. Most of the symptoms you mentioned happen through an ayahuasca or magic mushroom trip.
But, through meditation the changes are permanent and of course, mediation is the way to go.
It's all about biochemistry in some way.
This actually motivated me more and start meditating again. Basically don't get attached to either the positive or negative effects of meditation because its a ride and whenever it changed you may feel bad cuz you got attached to that phase. Just be mindful and keep loving.
I love your videos Leo. I have been practicing meditation and higher learning for the last 5 years. The changes that have occurred in my life are absolutely mind boggling!
I live in a area where meditation or any eastern idea is incredibly foreign. I am very thankful for the Internet. If not for the Internet, I would be a complete island.
I have experienced many of these negative effects over the last few years. I have dealt with kundalini energies and that can be incredibly overwhelming.. This video is comforting.
I have noticed people have been posting videos criticizing you. For every 1 critic there are 100 others that fully support and love your insite.. Thanks Leo.. peace my friend.,
jason..
Thank you so much for this, I knew it was "normal" but it's the first time I hear someone talking about this so clearly, listing so much things I felt, I have a tendency to run away smoking pot when meditation is becoming too hard to stand, horrible nightmares so much fear waking up, crankyness loneliness and so much more that you listed, I really needed to hear that, you made me cry a lot, thanks again
Please run from meditation. It is a dangerous demonic practice to allow things in.
In last two years my life is between job quit and vipassana retreat center. I left multiple jobs for the practice. After 4 years of practise, i even doubt the technique. Hahahaha...now i am both jobless and top of that hopeless. Double bam!
God bless you hopefully you got a job
@Aritra Chatterjee are you really unable to connect the dots. You are literally losing everything and insisting on holding on to the satanic practice of meditation. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the light. Call out His Holy name.
@@KatMoleZA Please don't do that. hihi
Throughout my meditation practice I’ve always thought of these dark arisings and forces as the power of the dark side trying to stop you from moving forward. The stronger you become, the harder the dark side attacks. And this video explains it perfectly. If we are possessed by our egos, and the ego is the devil himself, then the closer we get to God and spirituality, the bigger the battles you’ll have to face against the devil himself. Leo, I’m sending a big thank you to the universe today for your existence and for this video. Be blessed.
+Ivy G Don't forget that the devil is really just God in disguise ;)
I’ve been doing it for like 3 months and yesterday I hit rock bottom depression and anxiety and meaningless! I tried meditating and for the first time since starting, I literally could not! Then I researched if there are negative side effects and YUP. I honestly feel better watching this. Knowing it’s not just me and it’s normal. I think meditation isn’t for me though.
Oh Buddy stop twisting your own arm and then asking why it hurts. ua-cam.com/video/T0Sbs0YOGk8/v-deo.html
Thank you for the video, Leo! I've established a meditation streak and have noticed some of the neurotic quirks you mention, so this video helps me know I'm not going insane... Also, Just FYI, i've been consistently following the Life Purpose Course for the past several months, taking the time to do EVERY exercise as you'd said. It's been a beautiful journey to learn and grow with the your guidance. Just last week, I finally wrote out my one-sentence purpose. This in turn helped me hit it out of the park at a job interview. That said, I'm not done yet... I'm now starting the "making it real section" and plan to do all the exercises there. But again, thank you for your work! And for anyone else reading this, do buy the course and do the exercises, its packed with loads of information and will genuinely help you develop your life (as long as you take on the responsibility of doing the exercises!).
+TJ Reeves Sweet! Keep at it :)
This has got to be the most helpful, comforting, confirming, and inspiring video I've ever seen for my own personal experience. Feel very encouraged and relieved. Thank you so much. ♥
You are just describing what my life looks like and I’m not even meditating
This is amazing. Seven years after this was posted, this found me and helped me. Thank you so much.
THIS VIDEO IS TELLING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE DARK SIDE OF SPIRITUALITY BASICALLY
When are you gonna make a video about the dark side of the Force?
I kinda feel put off by meditation, this has scared me so much 😁
It's extremely tough at start but as all the negetive is sorted u are better humN
Did u just say"its ok"for all that to happen?😕😥
I've been afraid to meditate for years because I had an out of body experience and thought if I kept meditating I would have a bad experience and wouldn't know how to process it. Thanks for your very informative video.
I was so relieved to hear that there are side effects of meditation and that it is part of the process! 4 years back I liked yoga, but I picked a school (Prana yoga) which was a lot more than popular yoga classes. I remember thinking to myself what strange adult people attending classes...some like even very old. I liked it! So without any knowledge or intention I just kept going there three times a week. Like normal classes after school or work. After three months I had had an accidental enlightenment (only now I learned from your videos that that was it), and since then my parents think that I had a 10 years late rebellious teenager behavior (because when I was a teenager I was a super closed person).. So, I had stopped for good for forever and now I regret I didn't manage to go forward. But it was super rough... I had made an impression that the negatives outweigh the positives. But I am back and following your teachings to take baby steps and be mindful along the way
This scares me. My anxiety is so bad I thought maybe by trying meditation I could find peace.....if it got worse I'd have to check myseinto a mental hospital. This is scary😶
Ommmmmg sammmme
I really feel like these side affects are not worth it. Just go live your life and be happy with your loved ones, quit meditation.
Scared of little dark
Their is light when you cross the dark
And I consider myself a quite naturally a happy person a lot of the time so this shit sounds depressing LOL
I have meditated many times in my life. Never had any of these side effects. Part of the journey in life is to understand that you as a human being have a physical vehicle known as the ‘body’ and this body has a mind that gets hit with all the obstacles and troubles that life throws at us. So it makes sense to think of our body as a car, and that when we meditate we put it park and turn it off, and let all the negativity of life to pass through us like the clouds in the sky
meditating every day since 22.06.2016. Thank you, Leo
I am in the "meaningless" stage, i gave up meditating and even caring about becoming a worse version of myself because literally all these side effects happened and sometimes i just couldn't control it and went back to comfy life, but i do not feel happy and i know it makes more sense for meditation to make me and everyone around me happier, just never really had hope like this. I always punished myself if my ego resurfaced and these things happened and just thought it was too late. As of today i'm restarting my meditation habits. Thank you very much.
I have only mediated once for 30 days every day for 20 minutes exactly every morning from 6am-6:20 and the experience was so fantastic, I felt calm, relaxed, I clearly felt like the world was going faster and hectic and I was going slower, relaxed and aware of any questions made to me, I would answer by first analyzing and then answering in the happiest and wholesome way, I felt connected to GOD or could just have been myself, or both, GOD residing in me, It really is a fantastic journey. we all have demons in us but we have learned to co-exist and abide by it, so in a way we suffer less by confronting it or them, when the time comes with feeling some weird things, just go along with it, and you will be another person completely by the time you reach that level, ready to confront and understand what you cannot understand now. Mediation is so worth it and it aligns you in such a way that you begin to appreciate what you have and feel happy with what you have so you think less and less of what you wanted or thought you needed to be fulfilled, thus feeling appreciative of life. you really do begin to understand and accept that we are all one. Even killing a small bug will affect you someday and will affect everyone in away. Strange but so true. Anyway just a bit of positive notes on this vid which is incredible because no one talks about the dark side of meditation and everything has a dark side and this isn't bad, it is part of life, a good side cannot exist without its counterpart. anyway just finished giving some ESL classes online and came across this video which seems really interesting. Mediate, stay with it, it will give you a life you could only have dreamed of, it organizes your thoughts and thus you. Good luck to all and don't stop because of fear or because you don't understand something, keep going, find your way through it, not around it.
Sounds like clinical depression, don't want to have swing modes I rather not meditate, that sounds like the effects that demons have over a person.
Jesus is the truth, the way and life. He gave me the peace and love meditation could never give me. Meditation gave me depression. Jesus took all that depression away. Thank you my lord and saviour!🙏❤️
Same here. Jesus is the answer to everything.
Exactly I'm over here a whole atheist.. and your Jesus sounds better than this bullshit lol 🤣... If this is what meditation is just give me Jesus lmao
@@tilaj1271what they call jesus and prayef is meditation too these people are talking about the same thing
What a clueless people 🤣🤣
But that’s why important to have fun and have friends sometimes you know don’t loose your close relationships
Hi Leo - You're someone who seem to really enjoy what you're doing and really care. You're kind to give all these clues without trying to take advantage of people. You are very intelligent, you could be easily try to take advantage of the large group of people who follows you and adheres to your teachings. This is very generous. You are giving a real plus to people who never had a chance to be exposed to this kind of ideas and concepts in their life. Sometimes, you could if you wanted in fact, insist a bit more on a disclaimer at the beginning of your videos. Some people who are very basic can easily misinterpret what you're saying. Some others might want to take advantage of your strengths to build their own community. But because you seem to be genuine, no one can harm you. Your open-mindedness and generosity is good Leo. Also you are a very good presenter and a clear speaker. Please keep up the good work.
It sounds like it’s not the meditation causing these side effects but just your normal state of mind. Some people use meditation and spirituality as a way to avoid doing real therapeutic work through counselling. Sometimes a person needs an outside perspective or we can drift without a compass to guide us.
This is one of my favorite videos. When I went through these phenomenon, I was glad that I had started to sit with my emotions. It took what seemed like forever to figure this one out. Thank you for the mirror
I have always found it hard to concentrate on mediation so I decided to a listen to a guided, fall asleep session online. I did this twice only and started experiencing disturbing demonic night terrors that had my husband shaking me awake, night after night because I was screaming in my sleep. I vivid and lucid dream every night anyway and found myself trying to plead with the "devil" to leave me alone night after night. I have since then had to seek help from a Chakra specialist. Had this happened to anyone else? My dreams have returned to normal now after the clearing.
Jesus Christ is the only one who can safe you from the devil. You found yourself pleading with the devil to leave you alone then you went to a servant of the devil whether he knows it or not to ask for help. I find that very scary to be honest. If you haven't given your life to Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness please do, the devil never just lets people go because of some chakra specialist
the taoists and yogis of all sorts work not only with the mental sheath, the mind sheath, through concentration and meditation practices, but do so in coordination with work on the energy body, the prana, the qi/ki. nowadays we especially need to purify the food sheath, the physical body, too. for example, what to do with all that sexual energy being aroused? how about control it and direct it to higher centres? there is much work to be done for the sake of cultivating awareness. yogis didn't develop posture (asana) practices and breath retention (pranayama) practices because they needed to pass the time in an entertaining way. these practices all support each other: as meditation purifies the mind sheath, asana purifies the food sheath, and pranayama purifies the energy sheath. objective samadhis as you spoke of, leo, such as merging with a lamp, purify the wisdom sheath, while the objectless samadhi of merging with nothingness, purifies the bliss sheath. this is according to some yoga schools of thought. Great message in this video, it will help many seekers from succumbing to the traps, and gives us reminders that motivate us as we are now more mindful to reframe apparent obstacles. thanks!
+galikazoid Great comment, the Taoists have a rich tradition in place towards evolving the bodies. It's great Leo is decoupled from any particular tradition though, the insights he gives seem a lot more unrestrained and untainted by expectations. Robert Bruce took a similar route but in working with the energy body and developed one of the most useful systems around today imo.
I've not come across Robert Bruce, I'll check him out, thanks!
Hi guys!, Could you recommend me some books on the subject? I've been going through this "dark meditation thing".Thanks.
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Before i didn't realize that the darkest ( depression , stress , anxiety ... ) moments is also a part of spiritual purification now because I thought that spirituality is all feeling good but actually isn't . Tank you so much Leo From My Heart ❤️
What a interesting video. While you were listing the potencial problems that might happen I immediately remembered the story of Buda, the part when he is very close to ative the enlightment. He is siting meditating under a tree and then Maha ( kind of deity/demon) appears and starts to test him with all sorts of egotistical temptations, I believe that this episode is called the "temptations of Maha" and are all the stuff you just described: anger, fear, lust, spiritual arrogance, scary images and delusions. Then when Buda overcame all those tests he finally became the enlighted one. What it seems to me is that you were explaining to us the temptations of Maha with a 21st century language. :) I'm from Brazil, so I apologize if my english isn't quite correct, I hope you can understand what I have written, though.
In the name of Jesus, may all these chains of the enemy be broken for everyone involved in this satanic and dangerous practice. May you'r eyes be opened to the word of truth. Amen
Hail Satan
I used to meditate everyday, but some of the things you mentioned started happening to me. People started noticing it and I've been told that I am getting crazy. My mother even suggested to take to a psy. I was scared and I dropped my meditation habit. Thanks to you, I'll be back to it and be sure it is safe and positive.
Wow you're fucking stupid. My sister is permanently on antipsychotic medication because of this shit. The voices keep coming back.
@Natalia Mason No man can help you, including jesus.
i've had the most vivid sleep paralysis hallucinations so at this point none of this sounds too farfetched
Emenlll I feel you.
It is good for you that you are ur viewers be aware of this. Not many youtubers do it.
again, thank you! my life is going on a path that I never thought could be possible! it's hard rn, but every day I get glimpses of this huge, beautiful "thing", that rn sort of terrifies me and is really confusing and sort of hard to grasp, but I just know that's just the resistance! my life and future is going to be rich and fulfilling because of you, thank you
I reached that dark point after reaching tranquility. I felt so good that I told others to meditate. The dark spot hurt a lot and it felt like the depression I fought off came right back. I wish I knew beforehand that that it just part of the process.
Dude your logo is so Illuminati and you can be easily one of the looney toons characters, good job as INSIDER.
It’s actually a ped0 symbol yikessss
Be careful guys. Be ready to give up self derived meaning; be ready to see through every illusion: even the illusion that you have anything at all to grasp and call a foundation (and not to just acknowledge it intellectually but to really feel it in your bones)... If you are interested in the human world and human pursuits: if these things still move you and fill you with passion: be careful with meditation it may rip all of these things away from you... there is nothing inherently bad about stories. Stories can be bursting with beauty and profound meaning. But sometimes stories require that we lose ourselves in them: you may lose this ability to not see behind the curtain... Meditation is a serious business. Be careful!
You are right on with that Philip
Yess I get you here. But are you absolutley sure that it is not dissociating you with the 'physical, ego person' that you are and that you were when you came to this earth? I feel why would you alter that? Why would you aim for that? Why would you let go of yourself, your character in this life, Then you could be better be air right?
In a way.
I don't believe in the 'purpose' of overcoming your ego... But I believe in dealing and relating in the best way possible option with your ego.
I feel after a lot of years from propure meditation also a kind of dissociation from the person that i really was. And where I was happy with in my early life.
Hey Leo! Great insights and some of the weird stuff, but also benefits are already experinced. It is good to know that many more would come. Been meditating for 2 years now everyday. Keep up the good work and thank you for sharing🙏
I wish this video was released 7 months earlier. I went literally insane and had to go to rehab and take anti depressants, which put a stop in my daily meditation. I have recently started again with meditation and hope to be more prepared this time for the negative side effects.
meditation....after watching this video. all of my nope!
Its' bullshit! Meditation is extraordinary!
This video came at the perfect time. Thanks for being awesome Leo.
i would like to see a video in which you tell us about some of the weirdest, most interesting experiences that resulted fron your daily meditation, now that you've doing it for quite a while. you probably have some stories to tell
I have been waiting on the heat of coals since the 5-meo-DMT video release, Expecting to watch more of that content. I'm starting to believe that Leo is becoming a Buddha V.2 , No joke but i don't like the fact that i'm Believing everything he says.
Speaking of, didn't he say he was gonna have an interview uploaded of the guy who became enlightened off 5-Meo?
sak sezo well, i personally don't believe in everything he says. i suppose he doesn't want you to buy into everything he says, to be honest. that would mean you don't have the capacity of analysing and meticulously thinking and questioning yourself about what other people say, no matter how right they are. i do think he knows how to explain complex things in a simple yet compelling way, and he often presents every opinion/point of view with confidence, and that obviously makes people perceive him as some kind of book about everything. he's right about many things, though.
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i completely agree with you.
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There is a form of communicative peace that bears no negative side effects. It is called prayer. I know many will dismiss the idea of a personal God, however, He promises that if you seek Him you will find Him. Rather than experiencing negative side effects as a result of dwelling with Him, He provides Himself as the refuge for those who dwell in times of darkness. He promises peace to those who come to Him. This peace surpasses our understanding. Truly seek Him with all of your mind...not an empty one. You will discover that there is a love so great it is unfathomable. blessings.
Leo thank you so much, I hope you will read this answer.. I wish there would be more Smart and Truth-Telling people like you out there and not only promoting Meditation and Mindfulness for their goals.. You just showed me why I was failing at meditating, because I wasn't ready to get my trauma out and experience it, that was my fear. now I know what to do and take a break from meditation. Thank you Leo.
I feel like you list stuff that even people who don't meditate can relate too...
No it's different than that.... It's exaggerated for of that.. But as we accept the negetive nature it ends instantly and you are better person suddenly... It's cleaning up negativity... People who are not spiritual.. They have this thing but it's their general nature
This stuff never happens to me ...interesting. But I did have interesting dreams, geometric images, and blinding light at night quite often when meditating. I do center myself and ask for protection as I enter into the meditative space. I do have luminous orbs visit me during this time....I photograph them often. But what is key...I ask for protection from Christ and from the angels who keep me company. So maybe asking for protection prior to entering sacred silence is the key to avoiding the. Unwanted entities. However....the zchristian mystics (Teresa of Avila, Padre Pio) often experienced entities and demons....they survived their ordeals because they took control in the name of Jesus Christ. These mystics became infamous for their mastery and control over the experiences of entitities... Interesting stuff. Spiritual purification for sure.
Please don't play with demons. Christ actually gives supernatural peace when problems given over to him (read Philippians 4) but without any negative side effect. Makes no sense to participate in meditation that worships universe, creation instead of creator and allows demonic spirits, enemies of God, to enter your mind, and then to ask Jesus for protection. He loves you, wants to be your Father and bless you if you entrust your life to him alone! "Have no other gods" is the First Commandment and new age is very seriously breaking it which separates one from God. "Repent, then, and turn to God (believing in Jesus only), so that your sins may be wiped out" (Acts 3:19)
AnaEmanuela bravo! This is not naive at all.
Music was one of the things that I loved more in my life and after a meditation retreat it starts to annoy me. Music annoys me. Never thought this!!!
Intresting.I think meditation made you follow peace rather than stimuli.Looks like you're on the right path.
@@loganwolv3393 nonsense!!
Meditation is for life!! not the other way round unless your purpose is ideological. Personal 'growth' is overrated. We can 'think' we are growing and not grow at all. If it helps us it is good in my opinion, otherwise not worth it as I don't subscribe to any of the eastern ideologies to put up with the side effects.
@@divyababu8327 It makes sense to me. How is it then?
I don’t care what any of you say, something good for your spirit should NOT make us feel this way. Bring anxiety etc. When I have never experienced it before and it’s been years since I went into deep meditation.
Regarding first part: Everything said here can be attached to 'if you don't believe in God here is what awaits you'
Or 'if you gain extra weight, here is what awaits you'
Or 'if you go to work here is what awaits you'
Or 'if you don't get employeed here is what awaits you'
Or 'if you {whatever} here is what awaits you'
Did you get the point? It means you are human ;)
A lot of this happened to me and last week I stopped my daily habit because of of these sideeffects. But this video motivated me to keep meditating, thanks to you Leo!
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Now I don't want to start meditation anymore. I'm the type of person that acts on their thoughts and impulses often. If I start having these thoughts it could fuck my life up. (Specifically the suicidal thoughts).
The reason I got into meditation was to get clarity, peace, happiness & awareness. I didn't think there would be side effects such as these, but it does makes sense. In order to get peace, clarity, happiness etc. You have to let go of all the negatively/fears that are in your subconscious mind. Meditation will bring everything to the surface so that you can either face/observe it or let the ego get in the way & fall deeper. It all about having an open mind, I will continue meditating because it seems worth it in the long run.
Go ahead with yo fine ass
Its always insane how I always find the perfect video to help me and understand when I stumble upon a problem, feeling or whatever it might be. Backsliding, dealing with toxic people, dealing with negative emotions, dealing with jealousy and dark side of meditation are only a few I can come up with that has kind of in a weird way come to me when i mostly need them. I dont know theres so much more i got to say but I will sum it up with: your channel and site is a masterpiece
My mother used to meditate a lot, and there was a period she cried a lot, and it deepened her depression....
Thank you for this video. I am just starting meditating and today’s meditation caused an insane bout of rage and hopelessness. I was ready to do something crazy. WHY does this happen?!