Comparing The Voices - Venom (Updated)
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- The Voices of Venom (Updated)
Which Is Your Favorite Venom Voice?
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We... Are... Venom!
(Alright, next up got My Hero Academia Season 3, Constantine: City of Demons film, and The Incredibles (Updated) coming soon, and videos for Ant-Man characters coming soon, also, no other Venom related character videos are coming, so don't expect it.)
(Oh yeah, my thoughts on the Venom film, ehhhh, It's a movie... Not a good one, but not enough to hate.)
GenerationWest Bane and Venom
I love the living shit outta this film! It's like the room of all superheroes films!
Best Venom voice actor was Tom Hardy
can you do Danny trejo voice showcase?
GenerationWest what do you think of Topher Grace Venom?
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a contender who might just be the best definitive voice for venom of all time. The Candyman himself Tony Todd.
I was just about to comment that, his voice for Venom for Spider Man 2 the game (2023) is perfect
Agreed
No I just hear zoom unfortunately
He doesn’t capture venoms goofy side. Daran Norris is still king
Venom: *says “I” or “me” instead of “we” or “us”*
Me: **visibly cringes**
Duuuuudeee I didn’t that almost every one does that and surprise surprise usually the ones that say we or us are usually the best
I cringe so hard. Like its "enemy of our enemy" not my...
Ohh booo
Hoo you poor souls
Grammar natzis
@@thebigepicawesomemikedunca3642 Oh hush!
@@thebigepicawesomemikedunca3642 it's not grammar it's a define part of venom that he uses we and us
Daran Norris' voice is closest to what I've always heard in my head.
In your head…?
@@daddyoregano1001 Yes. Some people have the ability to imagine certain sounds and voices in their heads. When they read a character speaking a line, like a comic or a novel, they can "hear" what that character sounds like as they read by way of imagination.
When I read Venom's voice, the sound that my imagination creates for Venom's voice resembles the voice Daran Norris has developed for Venom.
What does carnage sound like?
@@bastard342 I've always imagined him sounding similar to Cobra Commander from the 80's G.I. Joe cartoon.
@@plpinkham that’s what I always imagined Carnage as. A high pitched voice compared to the deep voice of Venom
Can I just say that Darran Norris voice for venom sounds more sinister than the actual character?
That kinda adds to the fun of it tbh
I just realized he was the janitor from neds declassified. This game was part of my childhood and now it’s gone full circle
@@nowlan2 he also voiced Cosmo on fairly odd parents
Really Realllllly true man it sounds so sinister
@@veganmanofsteel ...what?
Venom from my childhood is voiced by Moe from the Simpsons........
Alucard BloodyVampire also Chief Wiggum, Apu, Comic Book Guy
Also Gargamel from The Smurfs
Super Nintendo Chalmers
And the guys who voiced unlimited venom voice sonic and knuckles so yeah nostalgia
Wrong.
RYAN Drummond played those two, BRIAN Drummond played Unlimited Venom, but he also was Ocean Dub Vegeta.
1:50 Daran Norris is my favorite.
wish he voiced him more.
Same
Me too.
Fr shi sounds scary and give me goosebumps
Surf the web, surf the web!
Same!
Daran Norris all the way, his voice is super deep and inhuman sounding without feeling forced and all without any intrusive vocal distortion effects like a lot of the others. Plus he has great range; he sounds genuinely intimidating but he's also hilarious with all the comedic moments Venom gets in that game. Also, This is going to sound weird but I love how... wet his voice sounds, it fits so well with Venom's whole bared fangs/tongue hanging out... thing. Even without sound effects you can just...hear the saliva, it's gross in the best way.
Daran was born for venom !
"SURF THE WEB! SURF THE WEB!"
Tony Todd is going to be one of the top venom voices soon I’m calling it
Yep
For the early days stalker Venom obsessed in killing Spidey: Hank Azaria.
For the goofy over-the-top Lethal Protector anti-hero Venom: Daran Norris.
For the Venom that carries a flawed but really entertaining movie: Tom Hardy.
I still love the Venom movie sooo much. but holy crap I had NO idea that Hank Azria was not only the first time I encountered Venom, but he voiced my first supervillain
Arthur Burghardt bought that animalistic and brought voice of venom rage
Tom hardy Venom is a goofy comedy character
For the Venom that stokes Eddies legitimate gripes against Peter and Spider-Man to a point of corrupting him into something he's not . . . But still makes quips sometimes.
Ben Diskin.
🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻👌🏻
Daran Norris is pretty much childhood venom for me
Same. Good old ps1 days.
S U R F T HE W E B
@@jacklajoie9126 hehehehehe
Daran norris is the best. Hands down his voice is the perfect voice for Venom in my opinion and Tom Hardy's Venom is pretty good too
Keith’s voice acting in WoS is severely underrated, he’s exactly how I imagine Venom when I read any comic with him.
He did well. Usually, video games don't have as good production quality when it comes to things like voice acting and animation.
Rod Wilson daran Jason und Artur sind meine Lieblings Schauspieler
Jason bryde und Artur sind
It’s so close to Daran Norris’ voice with the effects. I’d agree
When I heard him, all I could hear was, "MY ATTACKS WILL TEAR YOU APART." "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
Damn.. that was actually Tom doing Venom....
nice...
General Kenobi!
@@maniik_flix4837 hello there!
@@obiwanshinobi87 lol
Dang I've now seen you three times on three different videos that are all completely different.
@@obiwanshinobi87 General Kenobi!
Tom Hard blinds the perfect amount of sinister, intimation, chillness, and goofiness in to venoms voice to make it perfect and he has some line the should be come iconic for Venom, the turd in the wind threat being one of them.
Idk Hanz Azaria did arguably a better job. Plus Hanz Azaria had a whole tv series to work with building the Venom character
@@T0pMan15 he fits for that venom and also some comics but to me Tom hardy fits venom on more darker realistic world and sometimes for darker realistic of venom. Like some parts knull arc.
@@caylya7869 yeah as must I like him in the animated series, I can't see it working for something darker, it's very cartoony
@@clayton7993 k
No you are biased
Daran Norris NAILS this fucking character so well, even after 20+ years, I still casually hear his Venom when reading comics.
Keith Szarabajka's venom is really underrated, best evil venom voice.
Honestly... agreed.
Hardy’s acting is very simillar with Daran Norris’. That was what I noticed when the first trailer with Venom in his full suit came out.
I love Daran Norris' venom - must be because that's what I grew up with, playing the spiderman games on ps1.
Daran Norris, Ben Diskin and Tom Hardy.
Yes
I've got so many memories of the 2000 Spiderman game. Daran did a great job.
My favorites
Agreed
Yes!
Eddie: You're- you're just a parasite
Venom: PARASITE?!?!
APOLOGIZE
Venom isn't happy being called parasite
*Spider Man 1994 nostalgia intensifies*
Tom Hardy and Hank Azaria did the best in my opinion
vl3vnz00m my top three are Hank Azaria, Daran Norris and Tom Hardy
Hank is the bar for the venom voice
1st place is Azaria, Norris is a VERY close 2nd, Drummond is a very distant 3rd place, Hardy is 4th, 5th place is Diskin, the overrated one, has great dialogue and crappy delivery. 2 voices speaking at once sounds cool on paper but the execution leaves much to be desired. Finally 6th place goes to...it doesn’t matter. The rest all suck.
Agree
And Roger Craig Smith, who's also Sonic ever since 2009.
Arthur Burghardt scared the shit out of me with in Ultimate Spider-Man. He definitely stands out the most
Yes
My favorite
Arthur Burghardt ist gestorben Weil er Krebs hatte
I just realized that Hank Azeria was the voice of 90s Venom, the version I grew up with. WHAT IS LIFE!?!?!
Definately looking forward to seeing the Candyman playing Venom, maybe we'll see Venom returning to his horror-monster, xenomorph-inspired roots!
Hank Azaria was definately my favourite, that "We, are Venom!" Was so iconic to my childhood, it's what made me fall in love with the character as a kid, and got me started on complex characters, antiheros, and characters whith some form of mental illness.
Steve Blum’s Venom sounds more like Green Goblin
What really distracts me about Steve Blum's voice for Venom is that it sounds WAY too much like his voice for Starscream in Transformers Prime so all I hear is Starscream...
Whenever I hear Steve Blum, Troy Baker, Nolan North, Tara Strong or many other "million character" voice actors, I don't hear the character anymore, I hear them. I just think to myself whenever they pop up "Oh hi Steve/Troy/Nolan/Tara, got a new gig, I see".
Well he was the Green Goblin in Spectacular Spider-Man
TheValeyard92 yes but he uses the same exact voice, that’s suited a lot better for Goblin, for Venom when it’s a voice actor’s job to give their character different distinct voices, i mean, look at the difference between Khary Payton’s Cyborg and his Aqualad
SAME!
And when Tropher Grace showed up, everyone went: "NOPE!!!"
You bet your ass we did.
Agreed only on my Reaction I yelled No! 3 times with double thumbs down
killer92173
But true fans went: “YESS!!!”
@@ironavenger5210
Lol "true fans." You make me laugh...
EdgyZiggy9538
You people make ME laugh when you don’t know what opinions mean.
Daran Norris definetely
"SPIDER WUSS! COME OUT AND PLAY!"
1: Tom Hardy
2: Keith Szarabajka
3: Daran Norris
4: Hank Azaria
Hank Azaria has the right balance between jokey and murderous for Venom. My all time favorite voice of Venom
I agree
In my opinion he'll ALWAYS be THE Venom!😊
Ben Diskin?
Tom Hardy has the voice down pat. Prior to him the best Venoms were Hank Ariza, Darran Norris, Benjamin Diskin, Keith Szarabakja, Neil Kaplan, and Troy Baker.
Topher Grace was a let down in live action, and the editing for him in the video game was full of weird gurgling sounds and belches.
Topher was only good eddie
It's down packed, not down pat.
Biased
I like topher grace's performance a lot, and I hope if phage ever becomes a character in any new spiderman cartoons, they use a similar personality. it's been said before, but it just doesn't fit venom.
Glad to see I am not the only one who thought Darren Norris was the best venom. He is really a talented voice actor. Brian Drummond sounded good too
Troy Parker mag ich nicht so wirklich
now add Tony Todd, because holy heck he was amazing as the Symbiote Villain!.
Top 3 Venom Roles:
3. Ben Diskin
2. Hank Azaria
1. Tom Hardy
I think I like them in the same order. Ben got a cool double voice sound as 2 people talking in unison.
Hank is og
Steve Blum's venom voice has the Green Goblin voice to it.
Here are mine:
3: Quinton Flynn
2: Ben Diskin
1: Tom Hardy
Please give the time stamp for hank
"Can you get us Captain America's autograph?" XD
Hank azaria is just godly he's incredible. His venom is so dynamic i wish they would have used his voice for venom in the live action.
22.Brian Stivale
21.Rod Wilson
20.Topher Grace
19.Jason Bryden
18.Chopper Brenet
17. Andrew Morgado
16.Roger Craig Smith
15.Ben Pronsky
14.Matt Lanter
13.Ben Diskin
12.Arthur Burgdharte
11.Danny Trejo
10.Neil Kaplan
9.Dave Boat
8.Steve Blum
7.Troy Baker
6.Daran Norris
5.Hank Azaria
4.Quinton Flynn
3.Brian Drummond
2.Keith Szarabajika
1.Tom Hardy
Talking Film I’d say Keith did best
Where is number 12
Faaris Khan He probably didn’t do it because it’s an unlucky number. Just like hotels don’t have a 12th floor
Matteo Giampietro I thought it was 13? Like Friday the 13th and such
Where is Travis Willingham?
Arthur Burghardt is my personal favorite. Mostly cause I obsessively played Ultimate Spider-Man when I was a kid, and so now that’s the Venom voice that I always think of
7:49
That is the asolute best "I am.. **VENOM** " line delivery out of the entire lineup, in my opinion.
That guttural drop into "Venom" encapsulates what being taken over by the symbiote would feel like; like a demon.
Super bold depiction.
Tony Todd.
Hank Azarria, Arthur Burghardt and Tom Hardy are easily the best. A lot of other greats as well though.
Unpopular opinion, but I didn't mind Grace as Eddie. Not Venom, but Eddie.
Also, I think Matt Lanter would be higher for me if i didn't just hear Anakin growling.
There were a few that didn't get the characters voice but they did try new things on the voice with the Anti-hero. Tom on the other hand, killed it like the first venom from the animated series.
Tony Tood
4:02 I can almost hear Raider from MGRR
I personally think Hank Azaria did the best job voicing both Eddie Brock and Venom, he brought the smugness to Eddie while creating the standard to which all who followed him strive for when they voice this legendary symbiote
Agreed
11:52 Perfect.
Mein Lieblings Synchronsprecher Ist Jeck esto Weil er enlisch keit mit Billy mow hat
Ben Diskin with a bit more monstrous sound would be my favorite Venom voice. The duality sound of both Eddie and Symbiote talking at the same time is the best thing imo
" Bet you're missing the black suit *nowww~* "
" Like looking in a mirror, bro. *The funhouse kind.* "
Ben brogsrfircy ist auch mein Lieblings Synchronsprecher weil er so aussieht wie Deezer aus der Deezer TV Werbung
I like how mentally unstable how sounds
Venom from the 1990's animated series was actually terrifying ngl
Tom Hardy has the best Venom voice ever.
You really just cannot beat Spectacular Venom. That tri-tone aesthetic? DAYUM!
I KNOW HES MA FAVORITE
Yes he is still the best voice and story of venom with '90 spider-man and ultimate spider-man game♥️
Ehhhhh….
His voice sounded too “jock” for my taste. Not monstrous or sadistic enough. Hank Azaria and Tom Hardy are really the all time best (even if I think Hardy’s voice kinda got butchered in the sequel).
Soft spot here for that voice since Spectacular Spider-Man was my first entry into Spider-Man
THAT VOICE OF VENOM IS MY FAVORITE
Keith, Hank, and Tom Hardy are the GOATS as Venom.
Keith is my personal Favourite, his voice is EXACTLY how I'd imagine he sounded. Hes the most Vicious and beastial version.
1) Tom Hardy
2) Keith Szarabajka
3) Hank Azaria
4) Daran Norris
Take a shot everytime you hear "We are Venom"
Tom Hardy smashes the role as Venom and Eddie. He is the number 1 choice.
In fact the best venom voice and story was on spectacular spider-man... It's still the best with the '90 series of spider-man.
@@CarlJohnson-dv4nq Opinion on the voice.
I grew up with the PS1 Spiderman and even now Daran Norris’ take is just absurdly good
Tom Hardy
Ben diskin
Hank azaria
Brain Drummond
And
Tony todd
I know the game isn’t out yet but I saw his performance in 1992’s candyman and it sounds perfect for venom and his line in the trailer sounds great too now here’s my hope that green goblin is voiced by Steve Blum
0:52 "Hey! Come on!" XDXDXDXD
Hank Azaria
Ben Diskin
Tom Hardy
Best Venom characters period.
Agreed
Yep.
2:02 is the absolute best sick voice of venom
Daran Norris is the best his is the most unique out of them all and I like how it goes with Venoms’s long tongue
Agreed
Never knew Hank Azaria voiced Venom! Just awesome.
2:27 That dude look like "I am normal" spongebob.
Daran Norris was the best for a more comedic Venom. I still get laughs out of him today. XD
Tom Hardy was a good balance between comedic and slightly serious, and I enjoyed his voices.
Ben Diskin is my absolute favorite. It's the voice I think of whenever I read Venom's lines in anything.
i enjoyed ben's voice as well! i think there are better venom voices but i think it probably has a lot to do with editing and could easily be fixed. hearing his lines made me wanna go watch the show. there's just smthn about how he says them that grips me
Keith Szarabajka (Spider-Man: Web Of Shadows) is hella underrated.
He's my personal favourite along with Tom Hardy. He didn't get enough dialogue in Web Of Shadows to really be appreciated. He wasn't perfect but if he was in a game with better animation and voice direction then he could have been arguably the best venom.
Damn Danny Trejo voiced venom (even if it was for a Phineas and Ferb thing) ? What does this man not do?
His Machete character came from Spy Kids.
Nihl Lhin ik
@@feralchangeling97 And he was also Sisero from "The Ridiculous 6"
Hank azaria ist an halz Entzündung gestorben ruhe in Frieden Hank azaria Du hast ein guten Job gemacht Du warst unglaublichen es ist sehr traurig dass Du gestorben bist 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🌷🥀🌹💐💐🪦
I think Tom Hardy from the 2018 film “Venom” had the best Venom voice!!!!!
By far!
why
I agree
Nah... By far the best was in spectacular spider-man and '90 spider-man.
@@CarlJohnson-dv4nq Nobody asked for your opinion bruh! 🙄
It's DEFINITELY a tie between Ben Diskin, Daran Noris & Tom Hardy! They were PERFECT!
Literally
Hank’s Venom is what I grew up with, so that sounds ‘normal’ to me.
Whilst Tom Hardy is excellent, the dialogue doesn’t match his menacing tone.
Keith Szarabajka actually sounds perfect as Venom.
Hank Azaria was the voice I grew up with. Extremely terrifying and snake-like. Ben Diskin is great, and of course Tom Hardy for the win!
We are the best!
"So many snacks, so little time."
Lol I love that
This video actually inspired me to make my own version of venom. Thx for that :D
2022.
Tom Hardy devours the rest like a bunch of turds in the wind.
Energizer Convoy Daran was good
Do you feel me?
Blu Sauce Feel me harder
@@beansandproblems DOOOO YOUUUU FEEELLL MEEEE??
Ohhhhh that was GOOD
My favorite is definitely Keith Szarabjaka and Tom Hardy!
Venom 2007: interested?
Venom 2018: do we have a deal?
He doesn’t say “Do we have a deal” in the film. Only in the trailers.
@@ChristianFrates1997 Yes but, these phrases were spoken by them and these are pretty similar
Tony Todd has the best venom voice
1 Ben Diskin: He will always be Venom
2 Hank Azaria: A classic
3 Brian Drummond: YESSS
4 Tom Hardy: At least we can understand him (Dark Knight Rises reference)
5 Steve Blum: No Comment
Nathaniel Arndt Yay
Hey, we have the same opinion this time!
hah, i think, just my opinion, you said Ben Diskin no.1 is because his voice can be 2 voices with a bit different timing, (or different bit) venom's voice first and then eddie's later. so you think he the best voice, which for me, no, he's not the best. but again, it's just my opinion. sorry if i'm wrong....
Daran Norris?
For you
My favorite Venom Voice actors
1. Hank Azaria
2. Rod Wilson
3. Daran Norris
4. Tom Hardy
5. Ben Diskin
6. Steve Blum
I respect that you put Rod Wilson high up their
@Juan Maldonado wrong
Really? Rod Wilson?
rod wilson?
I respect Roger Craig Smith. Fun fact: He's also Sonic the hedgehog ever since 2010.
Okay guys, I’ve been in a Venom mood recently so here we go...
Many fans consider Daran Norris to be the quintessential Venom voice, and while I can’t say he’s my favourite, I do think it’s the most impressive and influential Venom voice, as well as an _amazing_ demonstration of the Daran Norris’ vocal range; the voice has no alterations added, Norris did it completely naturally!
My favourite Venom has always been Hank Azaria. He sounds fittingly over the top and he has just the right filter. Maybe it’s the writing, but I always thought he was the most... human. And that’s one of the things that endeared me to it, I suppose. Brian Drummond is a fitting successor, but maybe a touch too high-pitched for my liking.
Ben Diskin works for that particular incarnation of Venom. As a Spectacular fan, you know I mean business when I say it’s not ideal for main Venom. Still a great performance though, and very nostalgic.
Topher Grace... okay, I’m in the minority that _doesn’t_ completely hate Spider-Man 3, nor do I only love it ironically; I do genuinely enjoy the movie in a pure sense. Topher Grace as Venom though... look, even as a youngster who was so utterly terrified of the character that I steered clear of 3 initially out of fear, I watched Spider-Man 3 and _that_ is when I got over that fear of Venom. As Eddie Brock, he’s honestly fine. As Venom, he’s freaking ridiculous. I don’t hate it by any means, but sweet Randy Schueller this is bad. He _does_ sound comparatively better in the video game than the movie. Nothing special, don’t get me wrong, but the filters help him out a lot, and I do quite like his “snarky dickhole” approach, I think he does it very well.
Keith Szarabajka, on the other hand, sounds genuinely _scary._ His low, gravelly voice is just perfect for a more villainous and hateful Venom... I dunno what happened in the DS port, though. (Also Web of Shadows’s design for Venom is probably my favourite look for him... _ever.)_
Steve Blum’s voice in Ultimate Alliance 3 is a dramatic improvement over his Venom in 1 and 2. His base voice is much more deep and guttural and it actually has the filters over it this time. It’s pretty standard for what you’d expect for “Steve Blum as Venom (Voice of the Legion edition)”, and it’s nothing tremendously remarkable, but it does work. And reportedly it actually strained his voice a bit too.
Regardless of what you think of the movie, you can’t deny Tom Hardy was an improvement over Topher Grace. Personally, I really liked the movie and I honestly think he did a really good job, as both Eddie and Venom. I was initially really put off by Eddie’s... bizarre accent, or Venom’s overly-filtered voice in the trailers, but the voices in the movie proved to be both memorable and very fitting, perfectly combining the sense humour and intimidation factor. Heck, I feel Hardy’s Venom is sorta like a perfect hybrid between Norris, Azaria and Szarabajka’s voices.
I can understand where the backlash for Andrew Morgado’s Venom comes from. As it is, the voice would fit more for Starscream or something. But, and this is a Cosmic Powered Amazing Spider-Man vs. The Incredible Hulk big butt drawn by Todd McFarlane (look that up, dudes), Morgado’s Venom, when given the correct filters, _can_ sound great. I’m sorta soft on it considering that I actually love the way it sounds when the alterations are added (ua-cam.com/video/BFjXOu8pH-g/v-deo.html) but I’m not blinded to the fact that the standard voice is just... underwhelming. If it’s any consolation, I think that voice would be a perfect fit for Hobgoblin...?
The others range from good, to okay, to... wtf
Holy crap, I had no idea Daran Norris voiced Venom naturally! That is incredibly impressive. How did you find that out? I would love to know where you got that information.
11:53 venom says *eyes lungs pancreas so many snacks so little time
Hank Azaria the actor who was Gargamel.
That moment when I just now realized that the voice of Cosmo and Timmy's dad is also my favorite portrayal of Venom.
Darren Norris is just awesome remember hearing him as a kid was just freaky good times
Hahaha yeah
I really liked the Venom movie.
I really liked the Venom movie.
Hank, Ben, Tom, and Daran are the best hosts er I mean voices for this powerful symbiote.
The voice I imagine is probably a mix between Hank Azaria, Daran Norris and Tom Hardy. Three of the best Venoms ever.
Wait... Tom Hardy voiced Venom as well? That's an amazing Venom impression.
2:52 venom looks like hes doing the pog face
Tom Hardy und topher Grace ist an Schlaganfall gestorben
The fact that the Ultimate Spider-Man says I instead of We like Tofu Grapes' version of Venom really annoys me.
Disney wasnt really allowed to use him in his entirety originally, so him saying I instead of We may have been due to Sony.
@@BlazenSpirit99 Idc fam it's still annoying lol
@@drxshock6957 it is, isnt it?
@@BlazenSpirit99 Very annoying
When venom said i it's not that bad. It sounds like the symbiote has control over brock
7:42 I love Matt Lanter as Venom from Ultimate Spiderman.
Ich hasse die englische Stimme von venom
Daran Norris for me. I loved his version of Venom. "Hey, where'd Spider-Wuss go? SPIDER-WUSS, come out & plaaayyyy"
SURF THE WEB!!! SURF THE WEB!!!
This showed up on my feed so it is safe to say that Tony Todd is the best Venom.
I like how they all have their own interpretation of the character's voice. I can't really say that I hate any of them. But PS1 Venom is my favorite
Tom hardy.Hes just got the right voice for it its suits all the types of venom's which i think is great.
Facts
Two Star Wars actors did venom, Matt lanter and Dee Bradley Baker, amazing.
Tom Hardy is a definitely a winner for the best Venom/Eddie Brock actor.
Ben diskin is the best venom
@@Player-jf8fk eh no
@@Player-jf8fk nah Darren Norris is he scary and funny at the same time
Tom Hardy, Daran Norris, Hank Azaria and Brian Drummond are the absolute best imo
Tom Hardy and Keith Szarabajka are my favorite
I 100% agree with you.
My favourite voice actors : Ben Diskin , Hank Azaria , Dan Norris , Keith Szarabakja , Neil Kaplan .
My favourite live actor : Tom Hardy .
Daran Norris was the perfect Venom’s voice. Hands down.