How Yoimiya, Ayato, and Eula became the WORST pulls | Limited 5-star meta analysis
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Why units like Yoimiya, Eula and Ayato have become a bad Pull over time? I am going to discuss the changes that lead to their downfall as well the inherent problems in their kit.
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One thing I despise is the idea that, if something isn't the best, it is therefore bad. That isn't the case. A bad character is one that has trouble making the thresholds and/or requires too much investment to be viable. So Lyney dealing more than Yoimiya isn't an issue in and of itself. Yoimiya wanting that shielder so she can N5, her lack of AoE, the variety of pyro DPS options, and so on... all of that combines to make her subpar. And this has been the case since her release, as Hu Tao offered more from the very start, for less effort. But she is just that: subpar, rather than bad.
Dehya isn't limited, so she shouldn't be in this video at all. But your discussion of her raises another idea that is not good advice, that being that more DPS is all that matters. If that were the case, we'd all be using glass cannons. But glass cannons have a drawback: they break. A good support is not one that lets you "win more", to win a fight you were going to win anyway even faster. It is one that gets you "more wins", the ability to win fights you weren't able to win easily before. If you have to restart the floor multiple times so you can get your 30s clear, you have a bad team (unless you're going for a speed run, of course). If you have a team that lets you clear their side of the chamber, without needing to restart, in 60-90s every time, you have a good team. Faster is not always better. This is why Zhongli sees a lot of use, even in teams where he's a DPS loss. You only need so much DPS, and once you meet the threshold, you can work on consistency, ease of use, and fun. That doesn't mean a support shouldn't offer more than one thing, typically. Charlotte and Qiqi are prime examples of that, but "More DPS!" isn't the only factor.
competition does make a unit worse though? yes the unit isn't functionally broken but would you say ningguang is good because she is usable in comparison to navia
genshin is a game which is full offense. some teams don't even HAVE healers because glass cannons are just better. e.g. keq aggro. yae aggro. in Most Effective Tactic Available terms, yes! high contest makes a unit bad, because another Tactic Available is more efficient.
+ dehya was brought up since there's not really any bad 5* supports
@@Juice-chanmeta META talk! it's very interesting to me what people think efficiency means. In case of gaming META it's basically "most damage for least investment" which basically just means hyperbloom today.😂
To me, efficiency also depends on 1. Your account and 2. Your ability to play.
For example, many would say hu tao teams are meta because she is strong. But isn't that rather effectiveness than efficiency? Hot take but For ME efficiency is also about how easy rotations, how forgiving playstlyes are. So rather "most effect for least trouble/energy expenditure" 😁
Feelscrafting is valid! 😊
i agree with @yummieplays here because i got hu tao as my first 5 star and and a low ar with trash teams she sucked not because of the team but because hu tao needs and insane healer to keep her alive otherwise she will die super quick so i agree with what yummie that it all depends on your account
@Plesto. Uhm healer ? For hutao ? Did i heard that correctly ?? Ever heard of a Shielder? Dont use the "i dont have a shielder" Bs , noelle is standing right there ??
The only way I would explain about this is that every 5* is worth it for others point of view, it's required "preference" sure characters would definitely be worth it for Powercreep/Meta but not everyone wants to go with that route, at least in my opinion!
everyone can choose who they want to of course! i won't force any certain route, this is just an objective look-in :)
Oh, I do understand. A lot of my favorite characters aren't considered meta, and I don't do the abyss. Like for forever, Razor was my main hypercarry.
Meta is weird consept in a single player RPG xD ofc there are chars way stronger but in the end in the right team every char can be capable of clearing the abyss with full stars 😅currently I cleared the last and the current abyss with a razor main dps In one of both teams
Ur starting to become a person who is everywhere @Archonkujo
When your Navia ONLY does 300k per shot???
i'm saying this since most folks tell me their navia does 300-400k, but 200k a shot is still really good
With that Abyssal Blessing that’s available now; with high investment…
Mine Does 150k wtf you feeding your navia
@@primozpvc6 r5
@@primozpvcrowned talent, max bennet buff, and zhongli shield pretty much guarantees 300k. With this abyssal moon you can reach 400k.
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It's actually an additional passive so it isn't really a "waste"
She has her A1, A4, and the no crit thing is a "Utility Passive"
That's how Furina managed to powercreep her waterwalking, though. :p
true sorry a simple google search would've fixed that, but my point still stands about it being a weird creative restriction
like yorekani said, furina made good use of it, childe also has a unique passive
yoimiya arguement solved. she is ooga boonga style. easy to use, consistant, 4 star supports avalable, if shes fun shes a good pick imo. and i dont even have her yet
fair enough, its by process of elimination she ends up as 'bad'
I think Neuvi cut out a lot of the more middle of the pack DPS so not just ayato. For me though, ayato has been probably one of my best pulls. He’s strength is that he consolidates many roles. I use his large AOE hydro application for Nilou bloom and I can use his consistent single target hydro app for hyberbloom.
I think Ayato is still worth considering if you only ever want to pull 1-2 hydro 5 stars max as there are a few teams that Ayato can do more efficiently than Neuvillette, but as soon as you pull a Childe, Yelan or Kokomi, you start losing optimal teams for him, Neuvillette was just kind of the final nail in the coffin for those using an on field hydro dps, as the damage at a baseline is so much higher than what Ayato could do with Bennett/Kazuha support
he kills ayato bc ayato is a hydro & has direct contest with neuv
you can consolidate roles & be bad at every role you execute
@@Juice-chanIt’s obvious that old characters will get powercrept sooner or later. But now, lets see how long Neuvilette stays on top of his game especially because he lacks the versatility of Ayato. Will he still be a best pull or comes to this same tier of this channel is something I’m waiting for.
eula and yoimiya i get but ayato next to them is wild lol. ayato is still hydro at least and has all the tools just not best in any of them but hella versatile. He def got power creep tho indeed
So bad
i don't agree with your take on ayato since he's a straight-forward hydro on-field dps who doesn't rely on reactions but rather normal attack buffs and attack speed buffs. he's fast, reliable, easy to use and has potential to be viable on the foreseeable future with upcoming characters and meta. sure neuvillette has a higher damage ceiling and all but i see scenarios where i'd pick ayato over neuvillette or maybe just have them both in different chambers, heck who wouldn't want a hydro on-field dps? it's so obvious why they made neuvillette the way he is (and if it weren't for his broken damage numbers, i don't think people would praise him that much cuz of the playstyle and all)
wym, neuvillette's playstyle is easy as heck to use, i said an ease of use arguement doesn't really work because all other hydros barring childe are super easy to use (& if its internat you want, rational >>> ayato variant)
give me an example of where you'd rather use ayato
@@Juice-chan ayato yelan furina jean team is an excellent example, peak mono hydro, great for aoe and single target. i can't compare them properly cuz i wasn't around when neuvillette came out hence i don't have him (but i've watched a lot of vids) he lacks small things like interruption resistence and sometimes it will take a while to recharge his charged attack. ayato's best feature is being extremely fast at everything he does, and ease of use. call me biased but ayato's gameplay is much more fun than just washing the floor with neuv.
@@Juice-chan i just don't want ayato to get disrespected just because neuv has higher damage. he's a great character overall.
@@dekirudaSame thing here. I too dont like people disrespecting a character just because they dont like them. I use a team where ayato is fills the 4th sloth better than anyone i can think of. Navia, Furina, Noelle, Ayato. Ayato’s burst gives a lot of crystallise and also gives 19% NA dmg buff to Noelle. Ayato is still a great character in the right hands.
I would also add the fact that the ones who are not worth it also are not future proofed at all.
Joymiya (why did they do 2nd best girl so dirty) being a bow user who needs normal attacks with the most damaging one being at the end just sets her back to much since they can be cancelled so easily and they have Hoyo's patented "screw choice we will decide who she will attack for you" auto targeting. Thus making it so that any future unit who buffs her will just buff other units A LOT more (sure Chev would be a good team mate for her buuuuut Lyney exists and Raiden Shogun National would probably like her a lot more)
Eula also suffers from being a claymore user which basically bans her from any freeze comps.
Meanwhile, Navia's Front loaded damage and flexibility just makes it easy for her to get better with newer units. Any good Geo off fielder would buff her, any damage buffer would buff her. heck any good AoE off fielder would buff her when she goes with Albedo for some speedy crystal collecting!
Navia isn't as future-proof as you might think. She is a Eula 2.0, and while that is an improved Eula, she has plenty of similar drawbacks still (Eula wants electro, Navia wants another geo; Navia can charge up while off-field, but she still needs charges; both suffer from "groupers are anemo, but VV and EM doesn't help us much"), plus a couple unique to her (she's not the best in multi-target situations). And, sure, some will say you can just drop her into any team in the 4th slot (provided, of course, enough crystalizes happen). That, though, isn't that big of a plus. That 4th slot placement only has value until a 4th character appears that interacts with the rest of the team. And that 4th slot is the one that gets kicked out when there's a need for something specific, like a counter element. Once upon a time, Albedo had some value for the same reason. Now? He's one of the worst value five stars.
navia the goat, they made her so good. true that those units were doomed from the beginning
axterix13, albedo got buffed with navia, navia is so frontloaded she can slot into any team with elements & she's playable without bennett & another geo if you just want some quick sub-DPS frontload. its also good that she's so nice in multiwave without being a kazuha user... so yeah, navia looks pretty futureproof to me! doompost wriothesely instead he's more in-danger imo
@Axterix13 As juice outlined here, eulas issue is being backloaded which makes you lose time in multi wave. How is that anywhere close to Navia? I'd argue they're almost polar opposites.
- backloaded vs. Frontloaded
- burst reliance VS. Skill damage
- Eula doesn't Synergie with other elements but needs electro, Navia works with every crystallizable element
- Eula needs to be onfield, Navia can do whatever (which is HUGE)
- Geo is the best resonance in the game and more crystallize = more good for Navia
For f2p accounts, once they've gotten all the 5 star characters they want, it would be interesting to compare the best weapons in the games vs the best characters constellations to see which are the better value
true! not a bad idea, thank you
usually i find that C2s of most modern units are insane, but chars like lyney really want first great magic
I have a very important question: did you wash the juice box or did you not?
The reason Alhaitham and Neuvillette are so broken is their variable damage sources from their kit and the fact that they are excellent in single-target and Aoe, anyone who plays them knows what I'm talking about
But I like Ayato not Alhaitham, so who gives a shit waifu/husbando > meta always, it's not like this game is actually hard anyway. Because any content that would "need meta" gives us "anxiety" so oh well.
twistedfate62, listen to the warning at the start of the video, play who you want it doesn't matter this is an objective look for folks who DO care
haitham & neuv my goats
That's funny how much people praise Alhaitham since Fontaine. Before he was useless for the community because hyperbloom is broken without him blablabla. 😂
Most of players don't have him.
His last rerun was with Kazuha, guys. He came out just before Yelan rerun and Hu Tao so before a crazy weapon banners too.
I feel like Al Haitham’s teams ability to handle AoE content is slightly overstated, he’s very serviceable in multitarget content for sure but since you normally can’t run a grouper in his teams I find that he’s generally optimally against 1-3 targets that can be grouped by AI manipulation. Meanwhile Neuvillette’s beam makes it easy to line up enemies in AoE without a grouper so I don’t think they’re even on the same level in AoE.
ayato is nowhere near eula as being useless, + he can put out some big numbers, and he has numerous artifacts, 3 of which are strongboxable
Cope
that is very cope ayato is weak af as a dps the only strenght he ever had was his element and aoe application of said element. now with neuvilette there is no reason to pull ayato unless you like him
I think that eula is pretty fun to play, i like seeing 7 digit numbers:3
@@erronblack3462 in a world where only hypercarries exist, you are totally right!
@@yummieplays i don't quite understand what do you mean . is it that ayato is a good support? or that supports make him good? Not like it matters though since there is not a single team in the entire game where ayato is not a downgrade over said teams best variation and the difference is substential.
I think the biggest reason people rank Yoimiya so low is because players are being discouraged to play more offensive teams. Yoimiya does not need Baizhu to work with Furina. Bennett is still better choice, but players are discouraged to play her without shield and would recommend Bennett on Hu Tao instead. She literally needs to stay inside a circle as a melee characters, yet people would always find a way to work through it or only use her on bosses as she should, but not giving him for Yoimiya just because of a single broken attack string, which is pretty sad. Yoimiya appreciates shield more than other characters, but she does not need shield in all circumstances, especially when enemies tickle you at best. Even playing Bennett-Yunjin together can grant you interruption resist via shards if you manage through it. If you can play Lyney shieldless, then you can play Yoimiya. Breaking your string is not making your damage lower than fully defensive teams. There are more ways to optimize her even with shield, such as animation cancelling, but very few would actually mention it. If anything, someone would discourage players from doing so. Her versatility is also being thrown away since most of our players are locking her in one team despite of her "versatility" being mentioned. When you use national variant on funerational or Raiden, players would say how great their synergy are. But despite of being in speedruns, having national on Yoimiya would give impression that only other characters contribute on her team. When chevreuse comes out, Yoimiya should probably work really well with her to add even more variation for her teams... but I can see that her being mentioned last due to how undervalued she is right now and people would lock her in one maximum comfort team regardless to judge her entire performance there.
she pretty much gets a huge DPS loss if she gets interrupted. way harder to recover from it
so imo, yeah, you want a shielder, hu-tao is recoverable, yoimiya isn't
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I use Deyha with Lyney purely for her DR and pyro typing. Don’t own Zhongli, so she’s my go to, plus I slap on Tenacity because she can proc it easily.
THAT SAID, it’s definitely more feasible because I have vertically invested in Lyney, hence I can pull off smaller rotations with max stacks.
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really cool! yeah dehya is a viable lyney choice, & i'd argue if you can manage without zhongli she's better than him since dehya can activate lyney's pyro passive fully ^-^
Yoimiya is my favorite female 5-star, so much that I was planning on pulling her on my main account that only has limited male 5-stars. But having watched this video is making me think twice, because I already have a highly invested main dps Thoma with a Staff of Homa and a c6 Bennett already so I already have Pyro DPS covered (and I also have Diluc with Wolf's Gravestone). Should I still pull for her? I really like Yoimiya's everything from her character to playstyle
well, thoma isn't a strong DPS, so i would pick up yoimiya especially since you're a fan
not necessary imo tho if your diluc clears 36* since he's not ST-locked
I forgot to mention that I'm a Thoma main, for the same reasons as I like Yoimiya, that's why he's highly invested both in his builds and supports
I agree with your example of yoimiya... however I feel like with the yoimiya × Furina example boils down to two questions: do i have Furina, and do I want to used her in said team? All in all the "what makes a limited 5 star good/bad" topic is akin to the "Bennett c6 good or bad" topic: if you know what you're getting into be preparing to commit to it. But that's just me tho.
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yeah i suppose that's another good way to look at it! to me, C6 bennett is good imo, had him C6'ed for ages now
happy new year!!!
Juice! Great face reveal! Now I know what my favorite Genshin content creator looks like! Speaking of content, excellent points throughout. I wish I could trade in all the resources I spent on mediocre characters and just further invest into the ones I come back to time and again. But live and learn.
This video made me super curious about what plushies and figures you've collected. We've chatted about that before and I know that's not your usual content, but I would click on a Genshin figures/plushies video SO FAST. LOL! Thank you for another great video!!
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aw thanks man! happy you enjoyed the face rev :) hey, at least the artifacts & weapons they have are swappable
i can show them off one day, i have quite a few here :D more fun if i show then tell, maybe pop to a stream when you can
Yoimiya is nice in overworld because she is a pyro bow user. Really helped me farm those damn spectors who kept floating above the water 😡
i think you forgot about dehya when paired with neuvilette since she herself is a good option as an instructor bot. also Ayato i do find him to be better in dendro teams, but there's also Kokomi so it's kinda hard, like Burgeon especially with Thoma or Bennett/Kazuha.
edit: ok ngl it still feels kind of wrong to compared to Eula or Yoimiya
ok that's unique thank you for mentioning
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Ayato is better than Neuv in Burgeon because Neuv cant proc Thoma and there are no other good Burgeon triggers and he is better than Childe in both HYperbloom and Burgeon
burgeon, alright point taken, is he better than using XQ/yelan?
also, neuvillette beats ayato by a longshot in hyperbloom, therefore still leaving ayato kinda useless
ALSO!!! based haru pfp
Since Burgeon is AoE and has the 2/s damage icd like hyperbloom, there's no need to on field Dendro in Hyperbloom as that extra Dendro app wont get any more Burgeon damage anyway, so on fielding Hydro compared to off fielding XQ or Yelan is no loss. And Ayato does more damage than Xingqiu - not sure if he does more than on fielding Yelan in the same team but it shouldn't be much less if it is, and his damage is AoE so I'd say its better. Burgeon teams aren't as strong as Hyperbloom teams so being best in slot Hydro for Burgeon isn't saying a lot, but hey its something @@Juice-chan
Haru best girl I love the homicidal cinnamon bun@@Juice-chan
Coming from an AR60 player, this puzzles me. Why would you rank the "worth" of a unit solely on a piece of content you run twice a month and forget about it till next reset? In an open world rpg? Where the majority of gameplay is exploration, quests and events? So many do not even bother with the 12th floor, why would they deprive self of units that make them happy while playing the game, just because a content creator said the unit is not worth it?
Yoimiya is an incredible boss killer, I remember using her on Scaramouche boss fight all the time, it was just the easiest and most enjoyable option, not to mention normal bosses for mats while sitting at AR45-55. THIS is the content many newer players actually struggle with. Ayato a great universal hydro for overworld, who is not tied to Xiangling, unlike Childe, he works in whatever team.
I main Neuvilette, but specifically took Ayato (c0 r1) with Sucrose Xingqiu and Benny into the last abyss rotation with the pyro lectors and had zero issues to 36* first try. Neuv woulda been faster, he is also more invested in, but result is same, does it even matter 🥲
Some units have issues with gameplay, like Eula, or Cyno, or Xiao, being burst reliant with long rotations, and it must be pointed out in guides, but they too are someones favorites and thus the decision on worth lies with the player ❤🩹
the result isn't the same, neuvillette is like... significantly faster, & i'm not claiming childe has ayato's flexibility, rather that ayato as an enabler is not needed because childe is so much better in internat its not even close
by the way, did you listen to the warning at the start of the video? i said; 'Don't let my opinions deter you from pulling who you want to.' i don't care if you want to play ayato or not, this is a video to help people who DO care about meta. if you don't care, why did you click on the video?
OI hahahah I hope I didnt come over aggressive or anything, was not the intention :D I was just trying to point out that there is way more to a charachter then just the abyss performance, that should be considered. One can pull a Hu Tao cause "she offers more then Yoi" and then hate her guts to actually play her at c0. Or Lyney, you are right, he IS stronger, but also not easy to play and an absolute glass canon, it can be extremely stressful if you do not know what you are doing :D
And I clicked on your video because you make great guides and I love watching them, tyvm 🤣@@Juice-chan
Even if Xiangling is not good for exploration because she need her burst to deal damage, Childe is ok with just Kazuha. Everything die so quickly when your characters are build.
After all, Childe doesn't need his burst to do enough damage and that's all you need for a characters to be good enough for exploration (and don't use stamina like Hu Tao C0 too).
Childe? Childe is great for exploration, he is also a bow user for the puzzles. I mean...I used him in a Nilou team to explore Fontaine and it works :D But for the abyss speedrun, and I was told this here is serious meta business, he only has one team, you can not really do other things with him effectively, you run into his cooldown. A cooldown you do not face with Ayato or Neuvilette (but imo Neuvilette is wasted on a Nilou team, Nilou does not need him, everything blows up :D)
Point was, you can not tell someone who will fit them, even for clearing abyss, without knowing their situation and skill level, is often bad advice.@@Camelia437
ahh no problem sorry i misread the tone of the original comment then! thank you for your support!!! true there are other factors, like furina's jesus walk ^-^ yoimiya does have very good overworld comfort & ayato too, imo skill-based characters are always fun in OW
eula is always overkill imo sadly... poor woman can't ever win
the orange juice on ur hand was a nice touch xD
;D i actually drank that juice on new years
@@Juice-chan No wonder that your name is Juice…
I'm wondering if the stressed "BUT" after that long meaningful shot of Eula on a barstool is some kind of pun or if I'm just indulging my inner Cyno again.
As for "good" versus "bad" 5-stars in terms of the roles they fill, and ignoring wonkily put together character kits, I think it mostly comes down to the fact that, given how minmax-y things can be in Genshin due to the very nature of how characters and teams are built, more "generalist" characters can get left behind. If they have them, people will often take the characters _great_ at their specialized niche over the _good enough_ of the generalists unless they're really attached to said generalist characters. (Hence why I continue maining Noelle despite having several other built "meta" 5-stars :V)
Of course, sometimes the specialization can be a little too niche, resulting in situations like poor Albedo who specializes around Geo so much he's considered useless to people who don't play Geo.
HELP yeah your inner cyno is winning right now
a generalist can still be a good unit, look at raiden. imo she does nearly everything but manages to be great
@@Juice-chan True. She'd actually kind of like the polar opposite of poor Albedo, come to think of it.
Could you add your criteria (in text) to your vid? I wanted to screenshot it becuase it sounded good
i can't edit post-video but here's the text for you
A good DPS should Frontload their Damage, or have strong sustained Damage. They should be great in their niche! Or their flexibility has to actually be worthwhile. They gotta be BIS in at least ONE team, or else they fail at their main job. Being good at their primary role is super important! And they should be worth choosing even when there’s high contest.
What about a good Support? A good Support should help the team meet the game’s end goal. Do more Damage. Even if they’re a Healer, what other utilities can they provide? How many utilities can the unit provide in general? Are those individual utilities actually well-polished? Are they more than a jack of all trades, master of none? That’s another kind of good Support. A jack of only one trade, but is a complete master. They are so relevant to their one BIS team, they boost its position in the meta ten-fold.
@@Juice-chan thankyouuuu
As a C3 Yoimiya fan this makes me sad...but, I'm not offended as I am used to hearing these points and I recognize her shortcomings. I will say that I find mono-element teams limiting. At least with Nilou you have another element to play with. After three years of Genshin variety is what keeps the game interesting. I guess what makes a good 5-star for me has less to do with numbers as much as it has to do with "feel" meaning ease of use and joy from playing. These are both completely subjective I admit, but characters with playstyles that I find cumbersome or frustrating will also lead to lower damage even if on paper they are better.
to be honest, klee being better than yoimiya can boil down to if you can actually UTILISE her power. i do agree that for some players, ease of use will really be better! don't feel too bad, yoimiya's numbers are not bad, just not top-of-the line! its by process of elimination she ends up being "bad"
you ever going for C6 yoi? ^-^
@@Juice-chan I am quite happy with Yoi stuck at C3. I am more likely to ad cons to Yelan and Nahida. My goal is to get several characters I like to C2 or C3 rather than one or two to C6. This while still gathering new characters like Arlecchino, Clorinde and maybe Chiori depending on how she works with Navia (if at all). I am on the fence with Xianyun.
Yoimiya is best in slot... for mobile playing on your bed spamming the attack key
:D bed gaming
Eh you’re a little biased against Ayato but I take your point. If you have all the 5 star hydro units he no longer has a use case. Unless he’s c6 where he becomes a monster DPS. He does have a niche over Childe and Neuvillette and that is dendro teams due to having off field hydro application. The problem is Kokomi is just better for that, and in most cases Yelan and Xingqiu too. So yeah great as you first hydro 5 star but loses value the more of them you have.
yeah that's my issue as well, kokomi beats him in dendro leaving him virtually useless
you do make a good point about his flexibility for new players, i'll take that into account ty
the full quote is "jack of trades master of none but sometimes better than a master of one". example u can run yelan and xingquiu with a hutao vape in the first half and ayato on field drive in a second idk hyperbloom or xiangling, benny vape with kazuha. neuvilette is better duh but i think his charge attack doesnt have cc res at c0 but ayato have some in c0 and ayato have off field benefits and his burst buffs normal attack damage which other characters may do before ayato skill finish. ofc neuvi is still better than ayato and childe higher potential but less application. ayato still could be an on field driver. he if flexible but isnt the best but always has ur back kinda vibes. he has some hp scalling so it could not that bad for artifacts sake if ur name isnt neuvi. ik im kinda contradict myself
Rizzley: Best C6 Shenhe user
ah really? sounds sick, can i see a clip?
in my debut last summer i did the worst downgrade because i got alhaitham as my first dps then because of last day i built a pitty but idid nt get kazuha so i took eula from the best dps to the worst one
well, you can still play eula she will still clear, she's just... really investment-heavy
plus neither of those DPSes need kazuha so you're fine
Thank you. Yoimiya's banner is a skip for me. is the weapon's banner worth it though?
do you have childe? if yes, then yes its an amazing weapon banner. if not, then its kinda mid (T-Pulse can be a stat-stick on tighnari/lyney too btw)
im an ayato main and i'd argue his flaw is that he only does one thing which is to be a dps. When you compare his multitude of teams kokomi will be better because you can use more offensive options like kazuha instead of jean in mono-hydro. but he was my first 5 star and helped me a lot in abyss cause of hyperbloom/bennet-xiangling teams so yeah not that stellar of a dps but pretty useful and can be swapped around in teams(especially cause i have to abuse the enemy weaknesses cause the dpses of my teams are doo-doo) although not bis so he is a pull i wouldnt recommend unless u really like him
Love the Face reveal! Love your videos. Keep up the good work.
help your pfp is so funny i love it
thank you man, appreciate the kind words!!! :D will do
“in my heart ayato is worse” so it was personal after all… but yes i agree with every point in the video, as long as we don’t have the waifu gaming factor. Also it’s funny but dehya can be used as a pyro applicant in a burgeon neuvillette team
well i do think he's ugly but from a non-subjective standpoint he's still bad
@@Juice-chan the problem with Ayato is that hes so versatile and flexible he gets powercreeped in every role he tries to fit in without even being particulably good at anything 😢
@@pepelarrza3877He is still good just not ‘particularly’ good. If someone wants to use him, they still can use him in hyperbloom.
They should make the limited five star characters; who got a very low pull value, of how they got power crept; in a specific banner, where you can use your Blue Wishes to get them, and they will be: Shenhe, Yoimiya, Albedo, Ayato, Klee, and Eula. That will make the Blue Wishes more valuable, and giving a space for other characters for rerun…
shenhe is really good for cryo disagree
yoimiya yeah
ayato yeah
klee yeah
eula yeah
@@Juice-chan But Ayaka's team with Shenhe is equals her team with Charlotte; with Furina, Juice…
Or they should just bring that characters to a rework. I don't understand why the devs create half baked characters then refuse to do a rework. Are hoyo devs/creative concept team lazy?
@@manday2267 That's why I wanted Xianyun to be great for freeze team.
Shenhe is still necessary for mono cryo and the best team for Ayaka against boss is Furina, Shenhe and Jean (except if they are immune to hydro because it will be mono cryo).
might as well put cyno xiao wanderer itto rizzley and even navia on there since they have about the same pull value
Sooo. Since I already have Klee. I shouldn't worry about getting Yoimiya. I'm wanting a good pyro dps. I love Diluc, but I don't like how I can get more damage from Razor than him. So watching your video, I might wait for Leney.
lyney is very powerful indeed! i will also recommend getting his sig, huge upg for him
Wait isn’t ayato full em w his burst a very good partner for Nilou bloom
works, i wouldn't say BIS, you can use kokomi instead with full EM & get a similar if not better effect
however if you can prove me otherwise! by all means, do so. but even then nuts that this unit is a mild upgrade for a team which does not really need him lol, you can also just on-field nahida for more dendro app
@@Juice-chan true, true. I’m probably just still coping over the fact that ayato is basically useless now that Neuvillette exists lol. Love your content btw!
Lyney came out during my Genshin break. Never noticed how good he actually is. If I wouldn't already have a boatload of pyro DPS characters, I would consider pulling for him.
fair enough, he isn't necessary ofc, but he is mega-strong
Ayato soup is quite good especially when group of enemies constantly respawn like the battle event. He is also good in nilou bloom with full EM lost paradise with baizhu.
His strength is constant okay rate hydro application in AOE and atk scaling so work with bennett. That only leaves good synergy with soup. Ayato in nilou bloom is just because he has the largest range.
Happy New Year!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR
@@Juice-chan love your video do what ever you do and a happy New Year 🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊.
This comparison is so bad my ear hurts~ Hutao is a better driver? proceed to just and without explanation , let me guess because of better dmg? this is getting old, Yoimiya infact is the better driver for Yelan with the assist attack, yea sure go do your skillsheets about how bosses magically spawn next to you without moving in, gotta love the magic proximity especially the "no stellar niche" when the niche is that she hits flying and fast moving opponents. The video ends when Albedo is brought to a better light lol.
Doing a face reveal without addressing the face reveal in any way or form is the biggest chad move I’ve ever seen.
GRINDSET!!!!!
@@Juice-chan that was such a chad move I couldn’t even protest as you were slandering my boy Ayato 😭
Thanks juice enjoy the content :)
thanks for watching!
Don't you dare insult me or my top 3% boba man ever again.
you, my friend, are cool, cool pfp i love crows & a nice username. but ayato, is not cool, it is ayato i am insulting
@@Juice-chan insult boba man insult me is what im trying to say there
To me Ayato is comfier in HB than Neuvi and Kokomi 😭Neuvi wants range and I don't have Raiden to trigger, and Kok just doesn't apply enough hydro for me (I played her in HB for the longest time cuz I didn't have anything else).
Ayato has best in slot music theme tho I will die on that hill 🤣
ok to be fair ayato's theme goes SO HARD ITS SO GOOD (his SOLE redeeming quality fr)
i'd say get raiden she's a great hpb unit
@@Juice-chan REAL 🙌(he is so ugly though I cannot argue with that 🤐sorry mr aya toe)
Sadly I suffer from "I happen to dislike personalities of many meta units" and due to my illness sadly , I don't plan on getting Raiden 😔but that's ok, Neuvi fits in so many teams I will surely not find it hard to find something for him when I grab him on the rerun 🏃♂
Wish me luck for My yoimiya pulls 🙏
good luck man! hope you get fireworks girl!
@@Juice-chan thank You
isn't meta a greek prefix for 'beyond'?
oh cool i didn't know that! in genshin terms, it means Most Effective Tactic Available :)
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I think since dendro release and harsh criticisms prior to 4.0, hoyo had to step up their 5* game to compete with dendro reactions so they just started releasing individually strong characters. I don’t think a single Fontaine character has felt bad or missed the mark. Like Navia unbuffed does the same as Eula’s burst unbuffed, but with just her skill. That’s insane. I’d say if you’re a newcomer, just pick up any newly released unit that looks cool (they’re bound to be cracked) and if you like older characters, there’s so many resources to study if the characters are right for you (although I am dendro biased and recommend nahida, nilou, and alhaitham to cover your abyss needs).
I play mainly mobile and I like yoimiya over hu tao (have c0 on both) but it’s purely preference and I got yoimiya prior to getting hu tao. Yeah even with a shotty spear and mid artifacts, my hu tao actually dishes similar if not better damage than my yoimiya, but the ease of play and not worrying about stamina management / hp management makes yoimiya the choice for me.
at the end of the day, play what's best for you :) but true, we haven't had a single bad fontaine 5* yet!!! wrio was close but his C1 & good teams save him imo
I'm an Ayato enjoyer. I think zhongli nahida kuki ayato is still the most comfy hyperbloom team out there and I'm not alone 😁
But having C1R1 neuvilette my C0 ayato really sees less usage tho. Even tho he cleared last abyss just as fast as my neuvilette team, as his application on average feels better to me due to his huge off field burst. soon Imma try him out on EM to drive nilou bloom as proposed by zajef. I need my full HP kokomi back xD
interesting i've heard a few people talk about this kind of set-up for ayato, will have to see how good it is myself
I’d say ayato just being a hydro driver is what makes him not useless. U can’t go wrong with a hydro driver in genshin. Vape, freeze, hyperbloom.
i will say that at least makes him a better pull for newer players
but even then,
- childe is hilariously better in vaoe
- ayato freeze is SUPER cope. you have to sac a ton of damaging stats for ER to cast his burst & do like 0 damage. way more worth it to use kokomi with TTDS to buff your ayaka
- he's fine in hyperbloom but, everyone is. he's not especially good at it
as i said, BIS nowhere.
Waifu over meta
no
WAIFU IS THE META
Based.
SHOWER ME WITH PRAISE!
LET MY NAME ECHO IN SONG!
LET THE WORLD COME ALIVE!
SO TRUE JUST GET YOUR WAIFU WHOS ALSO META
12:01 I wish they was being mad for being her a jack of all trades, master of none. They being mad for not crititing her, though she’s a healer. 💀
there were quite a few complaints about both of these things, actually! a lot of people didn't really understand what her kit was supposed to do, which is what led to everyone asking, 'why does she try to do so many things, but do none of them?' people did have valid critique in asking why she has a partially DPS-based kit as a healer.
i really think that not allowing crit was a weird option. like look at nilou, she doesn't need crit, she needs HP & a bit of EM maybe. but you can force crit nilou if you feel like it! was a weird restriction of creativity, i think most people would've known not to build kokomi on crit anyway
@@Juice-chan Yeah, but the non-crit is a 3rd passive, which no character got that sort of thing, and it gives 25% Healing bonus. And they wanted her: “jack of all trades;” traded by one stat, which’s the HP%, and it’s more valuable in Furina teams, even though she’s a DPS in that team; because she also wanted that huge HP% to heal back her THICK teammates', like Eula… wait wrong character… I mean Yelan, and Furina, hahahaha. So, yeah. 🙂👍
Eula is thick, though…
I think we need to take a big look at the term "bad" as this video tries to apply to Genshin characters.
The initial definition of "good" requiring a character to be Best in Slot somewhere, and "bad" is anything outside of that is immediately setting the bar at such a silly height.
It's something I've seen across the community a ton, and it baffles me at times. "Mid" gets read as "absolutely worthless" as opposed to "perfectly servicable" It especially gets me given that this is a single player game with pretty limited powercreep up until this point.
In my mind a *bad* unit is one that struggles to perform a basic function adequately. Xinyan is bad. Amber is bad. Lynette might be bad. And even those characters get Abyss clears.
The step from "Yoimiya is not a fully optimal choice" to "Yoimiya is bad" feels like such a leap in logic? I see it defended with comments like "you can't recover from an interruption" - can't recover from what? A speedrun pace? It's not like she's such a liability that getting knocked back once is the end of a whole Abyss run. And it's not like getting knocked back isn't a similar level of DPS loss for Lyney.
I don't mean to stick just on Yoimiya, but just to look at the "good" units she competes with - c0r0 Hu Tao feels *terrible* to use, especially if you're not someone with tons of time to practice your cancels. Lyney has the same charged shot gameplay everyone had ripped as miserable on Ganyu for years.
Meanwhile my mid investment c0 Yoimiya with a freakin' R5 Slingshot can clear Abyss no issues. Sure it's not a record beating time or anything, but I'm also not right up against it.
I'm in no way going to argue that Yoimiya is an optimal choice, if your goal is to absolutely maximize your clear time. But saying that she's *bad* just feels...disingenuous somehow.
lyney DOES do a lot of damage nowadays unlike ganyu, we're not talking about how boring a character is or what people feel about their playstyle. we are JUST talking about power here
yoimiya isn't even THAT horrible, she's servicable & i agree with your take that she does work just fine in abyss; its by process of elimination & Pyro having SO MANY good DPS characters which cause yoi to be bad. like, when KLEE, literal freaking KLEE, is a better unit than you even when played badly, (klee helps furina forward vape which is good), then you know your unit is weak.
yoimiya is pretty damn bad, & even yoimiya mains aren't denying that. also having simple gameplay has its drawbacks! if you don't do enough DMG in a chamber, you don't have many unique techs you can resort to in order to do more
@Juice-chan I guess what it boils down to for me is I got Yoi fully expecting her to be *bad* and what I got is "functional mediocre" and it got me spending a bunch of time thinking about what "bad" actually means in the context of this game.
I guess coming from a competitive TCG background, "bad" was synonymous with "unplayable". Meanwhile in Genshin my c3r1 Raiden can finish the entire Abyss faster than Yoimiya can finish a chamber, but it ... doesn't functionally matter in any way I know how to measure?
11:46 best moment of the whole video😂
My thoughts:
*.🍗.*
Anyway, love your content, always here for more
P.S. is that a face reveal or am i just a newnie?
chicken drumstick so true
@@Juice-chan your room is cool, and expressions are right on point, an awesome addition to a meme-guides channel :)
ayato full em nilou bloom with baizhu nahida ?
Ayato and Yoimiya.. my 2 favorite Genshin Impact characters xD
Damm juice face reveal 👍🔥🔥🔥
:D
Juice-chan face reveal??? 😱😱😱 bruh sound effects thud sound effects
They really need to make the future OP characters to be compatible with previous years' released-weapons for Natlan and Snezhnaya onwards, my Mouun bow are still freezing in dusts out there
TRUE IT ME
agree pls these old artifacts need a use-case
As a Ayato Main with 76/300+ Ratio is uh yeah still struggles. 🗿🗿
yep... he just aint a fire DPS
I pulled all three of them 💀 😭
which is fine! dude, i still love ganyu even in 2024. love the characters you want to love, this video is just an objective look at value; that still doesn't determine the value of your love for your favourites though! :D
9:02 “If you don’t subscribe, then I will make your family subscribe…” Will you use the sentence in your next videos, Juice? 🗿
if your family hasn't subscribed yet then. yeah sure
I would argue Yoimiya is old who’s known to be stuck between better characters she wasn’t meant to be meta like Ayaka, Eula on other hand got two big reasons for falling behind (bun intended) her reaction isn’t reliable for top abyss along physical being long neglected and her burst makes you stall for optimal damage and doesn’t have big range for non grouped enemies.
I will dispatch you in 8 rotations
40k dps might be unreachable for me
KAMISATO ART 0 DAMAGE
I WILL DISPATCH OF YOU IN 3 MINUTES!
I love Eula because the idea of a on field character who do decent damage is appealing. Too bad in practice it just isn't very good. It's not the kind of game where a character like her really thrives and I think her design is just disconnected from how most units work now. At least I can get my bid damage and cool 2hand 5 star in Navia now.
yeah, i wish her kit design was more well-executed, especially since i love her design-design. but hey, when garlic impact throws you garlic, you make soup or something
I'd like to give some feedback: There are informations you give assuming people know what you're talking about: For instance, Faruzan C6, the problem is...I don't know Faruzan well enough to know what her C6 is about.
I understand explaining every details with voice would clutter the video, perhaps posting the info text of her C6 as you speak could help alleviate that issue? Those are just my 2 cents in the end, and I still very much appreciate the video.
Usually we show talents, cons and other descriptions on screen during a video. But this video was the first with a face cam and it threw us off a bit. Next time those descriptions will be in again. Thank you for you for watching and your valuable feedback!
everyone who's played the game for a year knows what it does, and the video doesn't give off the "if you're starting genshin impact" vibe.
Anyways, to know what it does you can open the game, then in the main menu select the character archive, and check out faruzan, then select constellations.
This works even if you don't have faruzan 💃
here is your ayato comment
ayato will be better than neuv or childe in noelle/furina team because he buffs aspd and deal off field dmg which is neat and those 2 can't do this
noelle is the on-fielder in a noelle team, ayato breaks the synergy
childe & noelle is not a combo
@@Juice-chan he means to use Ayato as off-field DPS so he can deal that damage and buff Noelle with his Damage buff from his burst. But in this case Yelan or Xingqiu just completely demolishes Ayato in this role. Yelans buff is way stronger and her damage output too. And XQ on the other hand fortifies Noelles shield and adds some extra healing. And of course his damage will also contribute more than Ayato with his burst.
AAAAA FINALLY I SOW U .. heheh u look cute and u have amazing voice . Thank you and keep ur amazing videos .. have great year
IT ME!
thank you man
@@Juice-chan AAAAAA HOW SWEET OF YOUUUUU HAHAHAHAHAHAH
I wished for Eula and Yoimiya and got them. I like character and wish simple as
fair enough!
Hey hey juice
heyo! hope you're doing well
@@Juice-chan yes doing great, there is alot to give thanks for yk
Watching the video and waiting for Ayato slander, any minute now...Here it is! You always crap on ayato.
yeah he's a bad unit
of course if you disagree! by all means, let's discuss
@@Juice-chan he is fine unit. I watch your videos and in all of them you shit about him. Even a snark remark about his hair or smtng. I have C2 Neuvi and main him and well invested Alhaitham. But I like Ayato. I pulled for Ayaka and her weapon. She has decent artifacts from when I mained Kaeya. Kokomi, Kazuha... Ayato is better than her. Neuivilette is just broken. He does not reaction damage nor is driver. Just pure damage. His ICD is bad for reactions. Ayato is comfy and flexible. Only thing I dislike is his short E and downtime. But I play him on TF in hyperbloom and he is awesome.
@@Juice-chan there are bad units like Eula Aloy . . . From a standpoint of nice 5 stars Ayato is great. Hyper invested Ayato can have 20 k on slash. Not burst, just E. Enough of Ayato slander. O have all best hyper caries in game and most of them with their sig. He is not niche or bound for one team. Really I follow you and always shit on him. He is fine.
Yoimiya is great for world bosses though
any single-target unit is good for bosses in overworld
@@Juice-chan yea but she’s probably the best at it
You could just use overbuff whit Yoimiya.
Yoimiya (whit Shimenawa), Zhongli, Bennet and Yunjin.
Why you hating so much on my boy Ayato? He drinks Boba tea, give him some credit. He's simple and fun to play in my opinion.
Yoimiya was a god sent to mobile players, tap-tap 360 no scope 😊 shield her and auto while skill with a standard weapon as her second best in slot
easy to use yep!
I have to disagree for Ayato..
1. He is also HOT
2. Not a simp, quer or whatever.
3. He like HuTao, Wanderer, Itto etc needs a lot of investment to rly shine. Const, weapon, good artifact set.
4. One of the few Genshin males that is kinda of possition of power and not outshined by waify
5. his numbers are sadly balanced around hitting at least 3 targets or being a driver.
Is he worth it..? no. maybe.. XDD
however my hot take is Neuvi is not worth it cos he makes the game boring and his playstyle for me became old very fast.
1. no wayyyyy look at his ugly shoes & hair
2. fair enough! np
3. disagree, foxfire's C3R1 good artifacts ayato was used for the video footage... it felt like a C0 character
4. ayaka literally says she has to take care of everything in inazuma because ayato is never around
5. sadly childe/neuv make him irrelevant as a driver
that's a subjective take about neuv, but imo, you can claim any well-invested unit makes the game 'too easy'. the game itself is already easy
@@Juice-chan :)
4. If we take the event as example Ayato was negotiating with Neuvi while Aya was an actress XDD. He also directly commands the shiobi and in his quest we can see his influence. So.. in this case Aya looks like she doesnt understand or appreciate her brother work :))
3. dunno about that I just saw c1 Freeze Ayato+ C1 Furina in Walenstain video hiting around 50k per slash. Thats 750k in huge AOE in 7 sec. in 24 secs that 1.5 mln...+ Furina swirled dmg.
also Ayato in the video is in HB team? ofc he is only applier there and outside of burgeon even he is a mid one.
1. ppl simp for different chars :)
4. ok thank you i didn't know the lore properly then
3. i don't count wallenstein as 'the norm', his videos always show really ginormously powerful numbers, do you have anyone else who achieves the same?
1. true
@@Juice-chan
3. Yeah you are right. You can look at Sireula run. Numbers are not very high but clear time on last abyss are around 60 sec for 12-1,12-3 hyper team.
I agree that he is far cry for best dps but his teams are ok.
oh spicy title
Ayato feels pretty good in Nilou bloom with Baizhu, Ayato being a driver built full EM. Idk if its better than Neuvi's raw damage in that team but at some point you might get tired of forcing Neuvi everywhere and put him on other side in a better team for him. Bloom doesnt play to Neuvi's strengths but it plays to Ayato's! Huge AoE both on-field and off-field to facilitate blooms! Honestly playing this team now I feel like Ayato was made with this team in mind as the rotations feel super natural. Well he sure as heck wasn't made to be a DPS, that's for sure.. I know this is probably the most anti-Juice team ever having both Ayato AND Baizhu but I love their designs ok?!? Juice, you can't stop me!!
you can also replace ayato with full-em Kokomi tho & probs get the same/better performance
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THE ANTI-JUICE TEAM HELP IT DOESN'T HELP THAT I HATE DENDRO AS WELL UJASFJKASFK
@@Juice-chan Yes Kokomi is good there but then you have to balance between EM and healing and in my experience it wasn't the most pleasant thing while in Ayato team Baizhu heals as much as his heart desires. Also yeah this is literally the worst team for you hahahah
@@Juice-chanthe Kokomi/Collei/Nahida team has a higher ceiling than Ayato/Baizhu/Nahida, though I know a lot of Nilou mains will run EM Ayato anyway since the huge AoE on the ult can make the team easier to play/clear faster in content where the mobs are spaced far out and can’t easily be grouped by AI manipulation.
there are some hot takes thru this whole video
perhaps, but its my unfiltered opinion!
Imo I don’t have Ayato but I don’t think he is “useless”. He’s the only hydro dps that can be both a dps and a support.
doing a lot of things doesn't matter if you're bad at all those things
he's hardly a DPS because he does such low DPS
KAMISATO ART; 0 DAMAGE!
The worst 5-star units in the game to pull are Albedo, Venti, and either Cloud Retainer or Shenhe. Albedo is impractical and doesn't age well, with Navia you get better use with Zhongli or even Geo MC/Ning. Ask any Itto player about his team, and they will tell you how they want Albedo out, as he's mostly dead weight with his EM passive and generally clunky. His weapon options are laughable, his best weapon has been absent for years. While his second best free option is huge downgrade in comparison to it, and loses it's value if you get hit at all. Oh, and don't take him against a Rifthound, ever. Venti is obvious, his kit just has so many issues and outdated things, ontop of Kazuha's release that flat out kills him and it's not close. CR needs to release but, complete downgrade compared to Jean unless you play Xiao or C6 4-star Gaming. Shenhe for Ayaka and Wrio only, pulling her at all without either is just the worst possible investment possible. You can't say the same about other 5-star support characters like Baizhu, Yelan, Nahida, Furina, Zhongli as they can be slotted into many teams without relying on specific other 5-star dps units to work with. Also, you know Cryo is Cryo and Ganyu definitely doesn't need her as much as the other Cryo dps. Furina's release also made Charlotte too good of an option as a replacement.
I have lot of issues with this video but, I'll just condense most of it. All the takes on Yoi, Eula, and Ayato are far too hyperbolic. I'm not sure if you exaggerate for comedic effect(?) but it's odd and mostly disingenuous. I looked at some of the other content on your channel and you repeatedly exaggerate certain things, which I find a bit irritating. Finally, just because one unit is better than another, doesn't automatically make that other unit "bad". Yelan/Xq are better than Candace, sure. However, even if they both got deleted from the game's files, or never existed, she would still be a bad unit. Her kit is just that bad in it's entirety, which everyone can recognize. This is not the same for Yoi and Ayato, who are still good units despite Hutao/Lyney and Neuv being playable. They also by your definition would be "good", as they do have teams they are the "best" in. If you choose to ignore that fact then...cool I guess.
Eula doesn't like [C6] bennett. C5 she likes VERY much.
disagree, eula does not want to use bennett in any capacity. for DMG per screenshot sure, but for a consistent abyss run? you need the arena flexibility
"Even if your Navia only does 300k per shot...." Anytime i see any of these videos they always do A LOT OF DAMAGE compared to what i do XD at most my poor Navia does like 80k and here good ol Juice calling 300k damage being low
Still like the video though keep it up!
dw man, 200k is still good for a navia, whats up with your nav? even 150k should be achievable, whats your setup
thank you man
I don't remember at the top of my head the exact stats, but my navia has about 60% crit rate 120% crit dmg using a 2 piece glad 2 piece 15% geo dmg bonus one
For weapon I gave her my R1 skyward.... sword don't remember ghe name, the 5* one with er substat
Talents are level 8 across the board
ok i see the problems
you need more crit damage for a DPS like this, you want MINIMUM 140% CD
that works, but getting navia's sig 4PC set will help you so much
skyward is fine but serpent's spine even at R1 is way better
imo get more CD, keep farming her sig set & if you can pick up serpent's spine
after all that, consider levelling her skill to 9
If my favorite character kills whatever it needs to kill and I enjoy its playstyle, then why should I care if there's another, "better" (but less versatile) character for this role?
Now, if you're disappointed with someone you thought would be better, then just say it. :)
ok i will say it
WHY DID THEY MAKE EULA SO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD SHE HAS SUCH A GOOD DESIGN
of course play who you like i said that at the start of the video! not saying otherwise, just an objective look
The only case where Ayato is going to be better than Neuvillette, and Childe; is in Nilou Bloom…
Nilou is better. 😂💀
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the sad truth when you can just use neuvillette in bloom teams too
actually, another commenter mentioned ayato bloom, i'm gonna have a look at the team (but imo, as of now, kokomi can do the same thing if not better due to comfort + she can also build full EM without wasting her primary role)
Your beautiful by the way😊
@@Juice-chan your welcome👊
"Nuevelette is the best hypercarry in the game right now" nah C6 Furina is and she's also much more useful because she can be used in many more teams.
I also have C6 Kokomi and I love her. I'm debating putting her on the new healing set to try her out on that since it works well on my Bennet
i'm talking about C0 characters
in terms of C6... man i have a C6 furina, of course i know that :D
@@Juice-chan fair enough. I also have C6 R5 Furina.
Lol you don’t like ayato innit?
he genuinely sucks as a unit
he could at least be attractive but he chose to be ugly with his haircut &... weird shoes
He got powercreep the moment neuv exist
Yoimiya doesn't need Baizhu for Furina. Maiden Tankfei with P.rototype Amber is enough.
Moral of the video: Who needs variety? Meta is all that matters. Yeah, have fun...
not sure if the shield is strong enough? i'll have a go myself, i don't think the Pamber healing is enough
also, if that's what you got from the video, then you skipped the intro
Awwwww
Ayato mono hydro is probably better than Childe or Neuvillette mono hydro.
But Kokomi mono hydro with Furina, Yelan and Kazuha is better than his mono hydro team.
Well Ayato and Neuvillette are the only hydro I will probably always skip because they are boring to play.
So it doesn't change anything for me, meta or not.
About pyro dps, who cares the new region we will probably get a new pyro dps hypercarry like with Fontaine we get Neuvillette.
So why we should care about the ugly Lyney ?
The issue is if I have to play Xiangling + Bennett, I simply prefer play Childe, Raiden, Navia or a melt team to be honest than him. They are more fun to play than Lyney.
I have his signature bow because I wanted Aqua Simulacra but still no, others characters can use it.
About Deyha, she is best in slot for exploration in Dragonspine and I really think we will get another region where she will be useful in the future.
i would argue neuv mono hydro >>>>>>>>> ayato mono hydro by a LONGSHOT. childe, fair enough
true lyney is ugly lol, a lot of people share this sentiment don't worry
agree i love childe internat/navia! also i did hear about that dragonspine thing before true
@@Juice-chan Even if Lyney was a handsome man, this team will stay mono pyro and like I said I think they will release a better pyro dps in the future.
I think unless a pyro dps is your favorite characters in the game. They are not worth it right now for meta.
He can still be buff by the pyro archon like most of pyro dps and characters who want a pyro support in their team.
My Ayato DPS-Team aint that bad trust me
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Full em Xiphos moonlight ayato on nilou team copium
Genshin isn't worth it anymore lol
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fair enough... garlic impact, the game to rob our cash for good