I actually had a neighbor's TV delivered to my apartment once. It was sitting on my front porch, so I pulled it around into my garage, then called the office. I told them "hey, I have a TV with this address on it in my garage - can you let the person know and/or give them my contact info?" Later that day he came and picked the TV up. Not that hard to be a decent human.
Had a Stereo system delivered to my house, by accident, but the real recipient was a couple of streets away with the same house number. I walked over there and put a note through their letter box (post box) and later that evening they came over and collected it (After I asked for identification they were who they said they were of course)
Sadly entitled people actually seem to think there it a law stating if something is delivered to your house legally yours. I honestly don't understand some people's mentality.
Story 2: That the entire family immediately jumped to mom's side against the pregnant daughter tells a lot about why mom is the way she is. Daughter is better off without the entire clan.
i've seen the story before, it's part of an entire saga of that woman and her mom. IF that all is true. i mean, you never know on reddit. but if it's true then omfg. it started with her insane mom and later on her husband and his side o fthe family mistreat her also horribly. somewhere on yt someone read that whole story package back to back, and it filled more than 1,5h!
MIL asking for a copy of house key was so out of line! If she had graciously ASKED “Do you want us to keep an extra copy of the key for you in case of emergencies?” That would have been ok because it leaves room for them to just as graciously decline. To expect a key is just so entitled!
Story #2. OP needed to call her relatives and tell them they need to send the money they would have used on her, to pay her mom's rent, as she gambled hers away!! lol!!
Story 5: Yikes! You don't demand a key to someone's house. Her phrasing was off the wall. People usually give their house keys when they TRUST you, for things like picking up your mail when you're on vacation etc. She was way over the top. Plus, I have a cat, and had my good friend feeding him when I was on vacation.
Absolutely. Just what I was thinking. If somebody wants you to have a key, they'll offer. Asking for a key puts them in a difficult situation because the chances are that the last thing most folk want is a nosy MIL turning up uninvited and letting herself in.
Story 2: So basically, the mom didn't get control of OP's baby shower, and her response is to make OP's entire family skip out, try to take OP's money afterwards, and then basically disown her when denied. I'm glad there was a protection order, who knows what the mom could have done next
I had to listen to it again. I kept waiting for where she ASKED to throw the shower. Like why didn't crazy Mom say anything? It's been 5 months so nobody took anything from her, she never offered to throw it, and only got mad after someone else did it.
@@RayneSaltairIs that why the mom was upset, because she wasn’t the one hosting? I thought it was just because the daughter invited people mom doesn’t like.
@@silverthehero1295 She said she was mad because she took the baby shower away from her. Thinking she wanted to collect money from it, so she could pay rent.
Back when I was a teenager my parents used to barge in my room all the time, even when I was sleeping or getting changed. So now as an adult and the answer if I allowed my parents to have a spare house key? is a solid No, because I told them back then “you didn’t give me privacy back when I was a teenager but I am damn well having privacy as an adult!” My parents didn’t like that but eventually they grew to accept my decision. So OP it is not your house and you don’t demand a key to the house, cut the cord already your son is an adult now.
I gave a key to my house to my MIL (loved and miss her). She even came over (I was at work) to let my new puppies out and play with them - yes I knew she was coming. I even surprised her at Christmas with a card from the puppies with money. She was an awesome person.
OP was definitely pushy but her DIL ain’t no prize either. Her response was weird to say the least and her not letting her husband answer his mother is weird. He’s a grown man let him tell his mother no.
Story 4: Imagine thinking you could own and control an entire backyard that was divided between people. Narcissists, amirite? They will go crazy once the non-existent power they have starts to slip away
For me I would say to the neighbors (the good ones) that yes it's a family and friends only event would that mean you two would like to join just to be nice
OMG, what an entitled mother. Demands rent from someone who does not live there, excusing the ones who do live there, after she blows what should have been the rent at a casino. She and the two leeches should be homeless.
If ut was my Mum,I'd tell her "You want the "Rent"? Get a Solicitor.." See how far she gets with that. Ah,well,at least there's the Restriction Order over her now and I bet Brother and Sister were pissed off it applied to them when they probably didn't even do anything
Story 4 - 😂😂😂😂 Now that is awesome! Neighbor Karen lies about being the owners of OP’s property only to have to blow up in her face when OP becomes the the Landlord of HER property! I don’t know whether that’s pure Karma or Poetic Justice? Either way, serves her right.
Story 4 is so wild! We used to live in a duplex, wanted to buy it until LL moved in a psycho upstairs, of course she was a single mom & used that as a “poor me” anytime something went wrong. Despite the fact we had lived there for years before her and rented the MUCH larger part of the duplex we got more parking spots, yard and of course more house. Nightmare. She was trying to break into our unit bc it “wasn’t fair” we BOUGHT our own washer and dryer but wouldn’t let her use it. Never mind she never asked, just went straight to trying to break in, so we never had a chance to let her but yea. That story warms my heart 😂❤
Story 2 - Wow… I hope OP completely severed ties with that EM. Because she doesn’t need that witch of a mother in her life and nor does her baby need that kind of grandmother in their life either.
That whole side of the family sounds pretty lazy/gullible/uninterested ... losing touch with them might not be a real loss, if they don't come around. Tangent: In my family history back 3+ generations, there are a few people who appear in official records, but no one in the family mentioned them in letters, there are no photos, etc. The "Entitled People" stories have given me one more possible explanation.
Story 3: Where the heck was the store manager or security????? Last story: No, OPs intentions were NOT good! She's the type that would be barging in whenever she wanted.
That guy should’ve been arrested because he basically stole the TV. OP should’ve called the cops instead of Amazon first because the guy basically became a porch pirate by stealing that TV that was delivered to OP’s grandparents’ house
Agreed. Porch pirates were so bad at the apartment complex that I used to live at. I had a wonderful neighbor though, who would keep my packages in her place across the hall until I was able to pick them up. Tragically she moved out and I had to start having my stuff sent to my mom's house and I would just drive over and pick it up@@PrincessSunnyoftheSandWings
OP should have called the cops after the AH refused to return it the first time. A clear act of theft! When a neighbor's package was accidentally delivered to me, I notified her and she came to pick it up. Not a problem. Being a good neighbor isn't hard. 😊
I have one friend who I trust to hold a key to my house for emergencies. She has come in to feed and check my cats when I was away unexpectedly, but has never come here to 'snoop'. Another key is hidden in an ornament, wrapped in oiled paper to prevent rust, in the garden. We let that area grow quite wild (no laws or ordinances in our country, forcing you to keep plants and grass at a certain height!!!) on purpose, so that the ornament looks like it has been there forever! Nobody needs to know its true purpose!
Final Story - OP was an AH for how she phrased wanting a spare key. If she had asked if they could have a spare key for future emergencies then it wouldn’t be a problem but the way she demanded to be given a spare key to her son and DIL’s home… yeah she is an AH.
Agreed. When I bought my own place, I gave my parents a key, and I had the key to theirs. I inherited the old family property on their passing and live here now. Sold my much smaller place. Through the years we all respected each others' privacy. 😊
You don't ask that though. At best, you offer to keep one for the rightful owner for emergencies. If they decline your offer, that's their prerogative. At best you can add that the offer still stands should they ever need that service. Anything more is way overstepping ... So that person really is the EAH.
Yeah, OP is a massive a-hole. The entitlement is astonishing and she acted as if being given a key to a home THAT ISN’T HERS is a right of passage. She’s obviously isn’t used to being told ‘no’, which would be a concern for me if I was Jess. Who knows what OP could be doing if she casually decided to drop by and let herself in while nobody was home. Having a rummage fest? Rearranging the rooms? These things have been known to happen.
I'm super glad that my neighbors and I all get along. There's been multiple incidents of us getting each other's mail and packages. When that happens we simply just give it to the correct person. It's not that hard.
House keys are something that are offered, not demanded. My sister and I have keys to each other's houses, but it was a mutual decision since we cat sit for each other on a regular. No other family member or friend has a key to my house and nobody beyond my wife and I "needs" one.
Yes! Keys are offered, not demanded. You give an extra key to someone you trust. She could have said she'd be willing to keep an extra key in case of emergency, but demanding and assuming she should get one shows shows she's not trustworthy.
You still needed to give a key to someone. The mom didn't ask for their entire family to have one, she just wanted one so she could help take care of the place while they were gone. I think that's reasonable.
@@TheQuantumWave That isn't necessarily true. Maybe YOU think you don't, but that isn't always the case for everyone else and the mom wasn't being weird or malicious for asking. She was trying to be considerate which is obvious when you hear her reasoning.
@@FoxxyFire-HellFrost It is true. Nobody "needs" to give a key to their place to anyone else. We don't have enough information to know if the mother's motivation was benign or not, but it doesn't matter because she was told no and no means no.
Story 5: All 5 of my children are adults. I do not have a key to their homes, and they do not have a key to mine. We have never even discussed it. You are, OP, demanding and entitled. YTA
I agree. My 24 years old lives in apt not far from here. It never occurred to me to ask for a key. She is a grown woman, her life, her choices. MIL got into a pissing contest with dil. It’s obvious you are treating your son as a lil boy instead of a man.
I gave a friend my house key, but that's because I live alone with my two cats and it might be necessary for my friend to get in the house in case of an emergency (car accident, sudden hospitalization, etc). They've never needed to use it, but they have it just in case.
Yep. I and my husband have copies of the keys to my parents' house (I'm the only local kid and they aren't spring chickens) and they have the key to ours (again, who knows what might happen, we get locked out, etc.) They've also had spare car keys of ours. But I've never assumed that I had a right to that key and neither side just randomly shows up and snoops around.
Just two days ago I had a fancy looking wi-fi router and some related kit delivered, but you've guessed it, I didn't order anything. Same house number, same first part of the postcode (UK version of the Zip Code) but not my name, not my street name etc. I've had normal sized letters for that person before, easy enough to put back in the post box. But I can't shove all of this tech stuff in the slot, too small a slot. So a post on the Village's FB group, found someone who knew the intended recipient, and dropped it off last night. Simple enough, it was about 500 yards out of the way, a couple of minutes. So anyone looking for a free TV or whatever, you've got no excuse
Story 2: What is it with Family Members getting told one side of the party and instead of checking in with the allegedly “bad person” to hear their side or to make sure what is being told is true, they just cut that person off?
Last story: Yes, OP is a major A for asking for a house key. That's not a thing to be demanded. The owners of the house IE OP's son and DIL get to decide the if, who, and when of spare or emergency keys.
To the last story, YES, OP was TA. I will give the key to my house to those I can trust, and to demand a key from me will get the person a definite HELL NO!
MIL seems determined to NOT be given a key. Honestly, I can't think of a better way to talk someone into NOT giving me a key than they she went about it. Talk about myopic!
Rent vs casino story: Wow, talk about having all the wrong priorities! I don't know that I would let her back into my life after all that. So the siblings also took mom's side? Good grief! Jim story: Disability know no age limit, old or young. And not all disabilities are visible. Duplex story: Yeah, I've lived in housed converted to apartments and in townhomes. I much prefer to have my own house. Bad neighbors is one thing. Bad neighbors with whom you share a wall can go to a whole other level. Key to son's house story: YTA! When and IF they want you to have a key, they'll give one to you. You have absolutely no right to DEMAND a key to THEIR home. Period!
First story: How did the old man not end up arrested and facing a theft charge? Given how expensive the TV apparently was it should have been a grand theft charge. Did the police not do their job properly? Or did OP not press charges? If it's the latter, ALWAYS PRESS CHARGES! It's the only way they'll face consequences for their actions.
You should have told the guy the TV cost over $2,000 and for him taking your delivery and not giving it to you that's grand theft and you're going to have him charged for felony if he doesn't give you the TV back right now I don't think you need to call the cops that probably would have done it right there😮
Story 3: I am also disabled, and can't walk very far, due to a compression of my spinal cord after an accident, leaving my lower body much weaker. So yes, I use motorcarts when I go to big stores. I've never had any Karen-type encounters, although when I was in my 30s, people would often give me the stinkeye because they, like this EP, thought I was just being lazy (my weight increased after my accident, because I could no longer exercise enough to keep it down). The funniest one though, was when I had a newer cart that was much faster than the older models. I drove past an older guy in one of those snail-speed models, and he started yelling at me for driving recklessly. BTW, I'm always very careful on motorcarts, and have never had an accident, unless someone else backs into me after I stop.
Story 1 - That guy is a porch package snatcher. This is why it’s important to have a ring/porch camera for this kinda thing. To catch thieves and report them because stealing someone else’s mail/packages is a felony.
Not that your advice isn't a good one, but in this particular story it's explicitly stated the amazon driver left the package at the wrong door in the first place. OP even received the photo of the delivered package in front of the neighbor's door.
While I agree in general, a porch camera wouldn't have helped in this case because the delivery was to the wrong address; HIS porch. He waa in the wrong for trying to keep it. OP is just lucky their grandfather was able to identify the neighbor's porch from the delivery company's photo.
My 3 neighbors and I each have a key to each other’s homes in case of an emergency. One neighbor’s son was constantly locking himself out/losing his key so it worked out very well for all of us. Of course we’d known each other quite some time before doing this but it was great knowing we had a backup plan.
I discovered my mom used the "emergency" key to give my visiting uncle an impromptu tour of my new and untidy home while I was at work; my death stares ensured she never did such a thing again. Even so, she still seems to think "what's mine, is hers"
Cha he your locks, honey. Give someone you can trust who isn't in contact with her a key, or put an extra key in your purse, very well hidden in your car, or wrap it in paper, seal it in a small jar and bury it under a marker of some kind in your back yard.
If the carrier sends the package to the wrong address, it's up to the carrier to get the TV back or take legal action. The purchaser is not responsible for that.
ive had stuff from amazon delivered to wrong door (was an apartment complex with our doors outside). happened 4 times but each time the neighbor dropped it off at leasing office.
I don't get that last one at all. My friend and his wife ended up hauled off to jail two months ago and I had to care for their house for a week until I could bail her out, only I couldn't get in there because I had no key. Fast forward a week and I looked her in the face and told her I need a key to her place in case of another emergency like this happening again. Did she argue? No, she coughed up a spare key right then and there, end of story.
Story 5: it's fine if family has a copy of your house key. HOWEVER... all responsible parties living in the home have to agree to those living outside the home having a key! My sister nearby and my dad about 30 min away have our key because they'll never use them (and have probably forgotten they have them) unless both fiancé and I are having heart attacks simultaneously.
Story 5 - Yes, OP was definitely out of line in this case. Having a key to someone else's house is a privilege, not a right. I can understand her offering to keep a key for an emergency, but when her daughter-in-law declined, she should have let it go. OP may or may not have had good intentions, but it's not her house, and therefore it's not her business.
Actually not quite... because what if Jess was away from home and her son has issues...like what if he got hurt and Jess isn't answering the phone? His mom could be the only person to save his life...I technically understand... but yeah she could've worded it a bit better
@@kitsuinarinightshade4474no is no if someone doesn't understand that and tries to cross the boundaries then yes they are the AH no matter how good their intentions were
And Amazon isn’t look good. That’s ridiculous. Package was delivered to wrong address, OP doesn’t have to do anything. You report the transaction to the credit card company and they do a charge back. It’s amazon’s problem and fight with the delivery company
I'm not a fan of Amazon, but in this case they aren't responsible. They cover themselves by sending the package with tracking info and delivery confirmation. I believe they said FedEx delivered it, so FedEx is responsible because they delivered it to the wrong address. If this happens, call whatever delivery company was used and insist they get the package back. FedEx is also responsible for replacing the item if they can't get it back. If they leave it on your porch and porch pirates steal it, that's on you, they're only obligated to get it to the correct address.
@@cyndib511 I've found it's not always clear, especially for some delivery companies. Sometimes Amazon does the work. Sometimes, the delivery companies won't do anything under any circumstances and takes no accountability. In theory, everything is clear. In practice....
I have had Fed Ex drop the ball a few times. Calling them did.... NOTHING. Same with USPS. Only UPS ever actually responded and fixed a problem after I called. Amazon has just started doing deliveries here in my town. So far so good, but I do have a package running late that should have been here yesterday. We will see.
@@lancerevell5979 The first one you mentioned is particularly terrible. They even flat out lie that they've delivered it. They've done things you may not believe. Actually, USPS has been doing a great job and UPS is good too. Amazon is a mixed bag: Great when it's their own people and terrible when it's contracted delivery. That last one: The medicine from the Amazon Pharmacy wasn't delivered and sent back -- after I saw the car and driver, who just turned around and sped off! The Pharmacy came through, but it had to be reordered and have their regular driver deliver (who did very well).
I'm very amazed at how incompetent the us Amazon is. Where I'm from they'll call you to arrange a time and call you again for you to receive your order so nothing gets stolen by neighbors ever
My MIL has a house key, but she is super respectful of our boundaries, never comes over without permission or an invitation, and will often double check if she can come by to grab/drop off something.
LAST STORY: I rent my apartment through a private letting agency and when I moved in the first thing I did was change the Yale barrel/lock. Their slogan is "Our house, Your home". Damn right my home, which is why I don't want people I don't know entering without my permission and snooping. My brother had a copy of my keys but he lives abroad now so I have them back. It just means I have to be more careful. But yes: Ethan's mother was the AH for taking it for granted that she should have a key. And good on the DiL for sticking up to her and telling her No.
My grandmother always had a copy of our house keys. But she never demanded it. My mother always made sure she had one just in case or when we were out of town, and she would come over to feed the cat.
0:28 TV Thief Theodore 3:14 Toxic Momzilla/Grannyzilla (Also, the fact that everyone immediately sided with her just shows how stupid OP's family is) 8:41 Random grown man who would throw a temperature tantrum rather than help out his elderly mother, (I bet he kept bothering Jim for the scooter just so he wouldn't have to help his mom) 12:07 Nightmare Neighbor Nancy and Neal 19:25 I'm half and a half on this one, Jess was kind of rude an OP was rather pushy
Amazon never used to deliver here, but put parcels through the post. We have those community mail boxes. Once the postperson put my Amazon parcel in the big 'slot', but put the key for it in our neighbor's mail slot. They took the box home, without looking at the label, and opened it. As soon as they opened it, they realized that this parcel wasn't for them, but for me. So they kindly brought it over, apologizing for opening it. Now Amazon actually delivers here but I have to check the label because FedEx delivered a parcel here that was supposed to go to our neighbor; the neighbor who got our Amazon package! Yes, we frequently get neighbor's parcels and mail, and neighbor's get our parcels and mail. No one tries to steal any of them.
My Dad has a key to my house as a back up if we get locked out. At a previous address, my neighbor and I exchanged keys as a backup as well. I would check on his cats when one was sick and my Dad was able to meet contractors coming to yhe house to prevent me from having to take off. However I do acknowledge that there is a high level of respect and trust with both.
Story 2 - the worst thing my mom did when I was pregnant with her only grandchild was come to the classes with me, watch the awful movie and comment " if I'd known it looked like that, I never would have had you OR your brother" and everyone cracked up. Come delivery time, the doctor had to nudge her out of the way because she was wanting to see her granddaughter being born. I gave her a grandson and she spoiled him rotten. I'm sorry you had to get a protective order 😢
Well, my younger son gave me his key, just in case. Later he took it back (I don't remember why, but it's none of my business anyway). He told me the other day (a month or two back) that he plans to bring it here, again. I'm still waiting. Oh, to clarify: I never asked for it, it's 101% his decision.
Story 1: I don't know what the law is in OP's country... but where I live it's literally illegal to open mail or packages if it's not your name on it. Story 4 was pretty amazing! Story 5 sounds like OP is the entitled one... wtf. I mean sure, giving a trusted person a spare key is a good idea but her approach...
Wrong delivery : My daughter joined CMU a decade ago. The day she landed in Pittsburgh, a courier delivered a SMG to a shop (near the dorm where she would share an aptt) that ordered a flat screen large TV. The shop owner called cops. They interrogated him, were convinced it was a genuine case and found who the real buyer was. A gun shop owner! I wonder what would have happened if the electronics shop owner had quietly kept the SMG? Are there other incidents like this happening all over the US?
Story 2: lemme give everyone some advice here. If this kind of thing happens, NEVER "threaten" to call the cops. JUST. CALL. Call the cops while they're distracted by their own noise so the lights and sirens surprise them. DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! I'm so tired of reading about ppl "tHrEaTeNinG" these jerks with police to get them away. You're giving them an out, a way to escape consequences.
An ending where you lose all contact with your mother, and brother and sister is NOT a happy ending, even when it's the right thing to do, it's still a sad ending. Completely.
Story 2: EM: "I gambled away my rent money." Me: "Boy, that sounds like a horrible set of circumstances. I'm sorry you have to deal with the consequences of your actions." Click.
Tracked down one of my Amazon packages last year by the delivery photo (very unique, brightly colored stairs and windows, so I recognised it as being on the opposite side eodnrhe block) and by the time I got there 10min later, after knocking several times, I got the package mostly back. She had already opened it and used several of the stickers that were part of the order. Several custom and expensive Christmas ornaments were also missing. Amazon wouldn't refund us without a police report, and according to them, they spoke to her and were told she returned it all, so... yeah. No sympathy from me. (we also had a 65" brand new curved Samsung TV stolen from the porch there, but that was easier to get a police report for. Amazon shipped another one and we waited by the window, LOL.)
Story 4: I am very confused. OP mentions a couple of times that they BOUGHT their half of the duplex. If they bought, and are not renting, why then, do they still have a landlord?
Since they mentioned it being paradise and said it was like Hawaii prices.....perhaps another country 🤷🤷♀️🤷♂️ with different ways of doing things.....or maybe since they only bought half of the guy's house they just called him landlord since that's what he was to the people on the other side that was being rented. 🤷🤷♀️🤷♂️. Good question
They didn't. But that guy was still the landlord of the second half of the duplex, hence he was the landlord of their neighbors. And before they bought it from him he also was the landlord of their duplex half. The neighbor already lived there at the time and apparently took advantage of the generous policy of the landlord, then felt screwed over when the landlord couldn't offer this anymore since he sold one part of the duplex. And of course OP of the story had to interact with the landlord of the neighboring property. It's all pretty clear in the story IMO.
We need an update to the last story. Son and DIL come with their tails between their legs because that incident happened where they locked both sets of keys in the house and his parents could have saved the day but "they don't need a spare key" 😂😂😂
There is only one family member who has a spare key to my home. I have medical issues, so it is in the case of an emergency, or if i have to go away as my daughter lives 6 hours away and i have a cat that needs checked on and fed. But if someone demanded a key in that manner, theyd be told where to go!
i think story 4 has a lot mire updates. If i remember correctly the virus hits and op wasn't able to evict the neighbour and it took a lot of time to get them out
That last story: "How many of you give people keys so they can go into your home when you're not home". Uhhh, that's not an Emergency Key or what it's for, and the OP said no such thing. It's disgusting to twist the situation like that. Don't do that. YES, OP said it wrong, she should have SUGGESTED giving her a key, OFFERED to accept a key. An Emergency is for an EMERGENCY (funny, just saw a rerun of How I Met Your Mother where Robin needed HER Emergency key from Lily). An Emergency Key is for if the owner gets locked out, or is away and needs someone to go in ("Feed my fish" or "water my plants" or "I forgot my ID/passport and now I need it, can you get it and bring it to me?"). A valid, approved reason that the owner needs someone else to have a key/be able to get in.
I had a temporary driver, and had a bed delivered to a house a block down wrongly, same number, different street. I stopped the driver and told him, he went right back but it was already gone, they denied getting it Amazon replaced it. A month later, the same thing happened, except it was a dresser, when I called again Amazon tried to say that it was delivered and they would not replace it. I had to call again and told a supervisor that it was not my fault their driver delivered it wrong. The picture was of the wrong house and with it I had proof of that. I reported it to the police who refused to do anything because I had no proof except the picture. After telling them to look up the 3 different accounts from that address, I suggested that replacing it was a lot better than losing all 3 accounts. Different roommates. Funny, I got it replaced 2 days later and a note to double check the address everytime. Never happened again.
Last story: I can't tell if OP trying to manipulate her DIL into giving her a copy of the key rather than outright demanding she have a copy, or if OP is treating her DIL like a child who needs to be told how to run her life now that she has a house. OP was very condescending towards her DIL, talking and explaining about emergencies as if givng a copy of your house key to someone is the norm and DIL doesn't know this because she grew up in a cave or something.
My dear SO brought in a package from our front step. We realized it was to the guy across the street so my SO called the delivery company and the seller and told them what happened. He said he was going to take it over to him. Later we found out that the guy across the street said it had been taken and cast suspicions on us. He then later, when he was confronted by us said, just chill out he was going to sell one and everyone did this kind of thing. We don't, so my SO called all involved and said he would be willing to help them get their property back. It was all sorted and needless to say the guy across the street was not very happy. It ended that some of the other people in the neighborhood saw my SO taking it back to him.
When I bought my home, I put a copy of my house key in my safety deposit box. I had my father as someone who could access it and he had a key to the box. Not once in the 10 years did he have to access the box, but my MIL demanded a key. My wife told her no, and why she would never get a key. She didn't like it, and was thrown out of our house when my wife caught her trying to take her keys to copy all of them. She never got a key.
"When you steal something, you spend your _whole life_ fighting to keep it." -Rothbart, The Swan Princess (1994) I got my neighbor's mail once. It was just a couple houses down, so I walked over there, knocked on the door, and gave it to them. No clue what was in it, but it damn sure wasn't mine, nor was the trouble I could've gotten from trying to keep it.
I have a copy of my son's house key. It's nice that he trusts us to have the key "just in case'. Just recently, our power was out and being winter, we needed a warm place to stay for a few hours. His previous house, I would take care of his pets when he was on vacation. It's all about trust.
And my husband doesn't understand why I want packages found immediately on delivery. I've had that. Thankfully the lady who got the wrong delivery was nice. It was 3 cases of my first book and she brought the small box but asked my husband to come get the others. So nice a lady. Anyway, on keys. I have the keys to my kid's house, just in case. I've only used it when they were gone and I was checking on the cat. As for our house, my son, four friends, and at one point my husband didn't have a key because a grandson got a copy. I trust those who have the keys, though and I don't hand them out just because. And, my husband has the key now so it's okay. :)
My mom has a copy of my key at my insistence actually but she's great. I've looked myself out a couple times and she had to feed my cat when I was in the hospital. She never tries to go in uninvited or to snoop or be creepy. It really is an emergency key. I'm so lucky my mom is decent. The moment she opened her mouth insisting upon a key my first thought was Ahole!
Baby shower story: i swear i thought op would cave. Scooter story: the man made it personal since he wanted to be right. His ego and sense of control were challenged. Why did op leave their home open during a party
Your one of the few people who I can listen to while having a headache, which is one of the best compliments I can give. Thank you so much for these videos. :3
When I have my house (if ever) I’ll be giving a house key to my mother, sis and bro in law. That’s just me as they help me greatly with my daughter. But that Mom was an extremely pushing MIL demanding a key. Like lady noooo back up 😂
Last story: the proper phrasing is "Do you want Dad and me to have a copy of your key for emergencies?" They might still have elected to say "No" but it could have been said politely and that would be that. Mom doesn't NEED a key, but some people want her to have one for feeding the cats and checking up on things when they're away. (Just put a lock on you bedroom and/or office door.) But demanding a key is really inappropriate. It might have been interesting to see the reaction if the young couple demanded a key to Mom & Dad's place in turn!
Story 5: So from what I can gather, Jess had every right to say no, even if Ethan had a different opinion on the matter. It's her house too and she gets equal say in who gets a key and who doesn't. And on that note, those kinds of decisions should be made by both of them as a single unit, with actual discussion and compromise. OP was expecting Jess to make a decision right then and there by herself that her mother-in-law, whom she probably doesn't know that well yet, can have an all access pass to her home. Now Jess could have handled it better and not spoken FOR Ethan, but OP's actions and phrasing were a bit of a red flag at best. And if Jess felt the need to set a boundary after that, it's understandable.
I actually had a neighbor's TV delivered to my apartment once. It was sitting on my front porch, so I pulled it around into my garage, then called the office. I told them "hey, I have a TV with this address on it in my garage - can you let the person know and/or give them my contact info?" Later that day he came and picked the TV up. Not that hard to be a decent human.
Had a Stereo system delivered to my house, by accident, but the real recipient was a couple of streets away with the same house number. I walked over there and put a note through their letter box (post box) and later that evening they came over and collected it (After I asked for identification they were who they said they were of course)
Moved it to the garage so it couldn't get swipped?
@@kurotsuki7427or rained on.
@@kurotsuki7427 Yeah, so nobody else would come by and take it
Sadly entitled people actually seem to think there it a law stating if something is delivered to your house legally yours. I honestly don't understand some people's mentality.
Story 2: That the entire family immediately jumped to mom's side against the pregnant daughter tells a lot about why mom is the way she is. Daughter is better off without the entire clan.
i've seen the story before, it's part of an entire saga of that woman and her mom. IF that all is true. i mean, you never know on reddit. but if it's true then omfg. it started with her insane mom and later on her husband and his side o fthe family mistreat her also horribly. somewhere on yt someone read that whole story package back to back, and it filled more than 1,5h!
MIL asking for a copy of house key was so out of line! If she had graciously ASKED “Do you want us to keep an extra copy of the key for you in case of emergencies?” That would have been ok because it leaves room for them to just as graciously decline. To expect a key is just so entitled!
Pretty sure I heard the story before from the daughter's position.
Story #2. OP needed to call her relatives and tell them they need to send the money they would have used on her, to pay her mom's rent, as she gambled hers away!! lol!!
😂 that's a great idea 😂
Story 5: Yikes! You don't demand a key to someone's house. Her phrasing was off the wall. People usually give their house keys when they TRUST you, for things like picking up your mail when you're on vacation etc. She was way over the top. Plus, I have a cat, and had my good friend feeding him when I was on vacation.
Absolutely. Just what I was thinking. If somebody wants you to have a key, they'll offer. Asking for a key puts them in a difficult situation because the chances are that the last thing most folk want is a nosy MIL turning up uninvited and letting herself in.
Yeah,you don't go demanding,you suggest,negotiate and then drop if they tell you to
Story 2: So basically, the mom didn't get control of OP's baby shower, and her response is to make OP's entire family skip out, try to take OP's money afterwards, and then basically disown her when denied.
I'm glad there was a protection order, who knows what the mom could have done next
Yep, pretty much
I had to listen to it again. I kept waiting for where she ASKED to throw the shower. Like why didn't crazy Mom say anything? It's been 5 months so nobody took anything from her, she never offered to throw it, and only got mad after someone else did it.
@@RayneSaltairIs that why the mom was upset, because she wasn’t the one hosting? I thought it was just because the daughter invited people mom doesn’t like.
@@silverthehero1295 She said she was mad because she took the baby shower away from her. Thinking she wanted to collect money from it, so she could pay rent.
Back when I was a teenager my parents used to barge in my room all the time, even when I was sleeping or getting changed. So now as an adult and the answer if I allowed my parents to have a spare house key? is a solid No, because I told them back then “you didn’t give me privacy back when I was a teenager but I am damn well having privacy as an adult!” My parents didn’t like that but eventually they grew to accept my decision.
So OP it is not your house and you don’t demand a key to the house, cut the cord already your son is an adult now.
I gave a key to my house to my MIL (loved and miss her). She even came over (I was at work) to let my new puppies out and play with them - yes I knew she was coming. I even surprised her at Christmas with a card from the puppies with money. She was an awesome person.
OP was definitely pushy but her DIL ain’t no prize either. Her response was weird to say the least and her not letting her husband answer his mother is weird. He’s a grown man let him tell his mother no.
Uh, stealing someone’s delivery/mail is a FELONY OP’s grandparents’ neighbor!!!!! He should’ve been arrested for that!!!!
It's only a crime if the delivery is via US Mail.
@@jocelynmartin1572 Still a crime regardless.
In the USA it is *ONLY* felony *IF* it's US Mail. FedEx, UPS, etcetera is just theft.
@@jocelynmartin1572nope, still a crime, and, depending on how much the TV's worth, still a potential felony
It is a federal crime to steal U.S. mail. Stealing other deliveries are state and local crimes
Story 4: Imagine thinking you could own and control an entire backyard that was divided between people. Narcissists, amirite? They will go crazy once the non-existent power they have starts to slip away
For me I would say to the neighbors (the good ones) that yes it's a family and friends only event would that mean you two would like to join just to be nice
OMG, what an entitled mother. Demands rent from someone who does not live there, excusing the ones who do live there, after she blows what should have been the rent at a casino. She and the two leeches should be homeless.
If ut was my Mum,I'd tell her "You want the "Rent"? Get a Solicitor.."
See how far she gets with that. Ah,well,at least there's the Restriction Order over her now and I bet Brother and Sister were pissed off it applied to them when they probably didn't even do anything
That’s narcissists for ya
Story 4 - 😂😂😂😂 Now that is awesome! Neighbor Karen lies about being the owners of OP’s property only to have to blow up in her face when OP becomes the the Landlord of HER property!
I don’t know whether that’s pure Karma or Poetic Justice? Either way, serves her right.
Story 1: That neighbour is a THIEF. That's it. No ifs, buts or maybes.
Story 4 is so wild! We used to live in a duplex, wanted to buy it until LL moved in a psycho upstairs, of course she was a single mom & used that as a “poor me” anytime something went wrong. Despite the fact we had lived there for years before her and rented the MUCH larger part of the duplex we got more parking spots, yard and of course more house. Nightmare. She was trying to break into our unit bc it “wasn’t fair” we BOUGHT our own washer and dryer but wouldn’t let her use it. Never mind she never asked, just went straight to trying to break in, so we never had a chance to let her but yea.
That story warms my heart 😂❤
Story 2 - Wow… I hope OP completely severed ties with that EM. Because she doesn’t need that witch of a mother in her life and nor does her baby need that kind of grandmother in their life either.
That whole side of the family sounds pretty lazy/gullible/uninterested ... losing touch with them might not be a real loss, if they don't come around.
Tangent: In my family history back 3+ generations, there are a few people who appear in official records, but no one in the family mentioned them in letters, there are no photos, etc.
The "Entitled People" stories have given me one more possible explanation.
Story 3: Where the heck was the store manager or security?????
Last story: No, OPs intentions were NOT good! She's the type that would be barging in whenever she wanted.
And going through their stuff when they are not home.
Man,if thr kid's 6ft, then his Dad must be at least 6ft 5,if Idiot decided "Nope,I ain't ready to meet God yet....'
Story 1: Calling the police because you want to keep a stolen TV is insane troll logic there.
That guy should’ve been arrested because he basically stole the TV. OP should’ve called the cops instead of Amazon first because the guy basically became a porch pirate by stealing that TV that was delivered to OP’s grandparents’ house
Agreed. Porch pirates were so bad at the apartment complex that I used to live at. I had a wonderful neighbor though, who would keep my packages in her place across the hall until I was able to pick them up. Tragically she moved out and I had to start having my stuff sent to my mom's house and I would just drive over and pick it up@@PrincessSunnyoftheSandWings
I love how the guy incriminated himself by texting
OP should have called the cops after the AH refused to return it the first time. A clear act of theft!
When a neighbor's package was accidentally delivered to me, I notified her and she came to pick it up. Not a problem. Being a good neighbor isn't hard. 😊
Don't you mean Deep-South Karen logic? the more inbred, the more inherently (and unfixable) stupid they get.
Story 2: You can bet that if OP had given her mom that "rent" money, it all would have gone straight back to the casino.
I have one friend who I trust to hold a key to my house for emergencies. She has come in to feed and check my cats when I was away unexpectedly, but has never come here to 'snoop'. Another key is hidden in an ornament, wrapped in oiled paper to prevent rust, in the garden. We let that area grow quite wild (no laws or ordinances in our country, forcing you to keep plants and grass at a certain height!!!) on purpose, so that the ornament looks like it has been there forever! Nobody needs to know its true purpose!
What country is it? What city? Your complete address please. 😈
@@gorilladisco9108 Its the 13th house on the left, after you've made 4 consecutive right turns when you come off the motorway heading north-east!
@@lizg5574😂😂😂
Final Story - OP was an AH for how she phrased wanting a spare key. If she had asked if they could have a spare key for future emergencies then it wouldn’t be a problem but the way she demanded to be given a spare key to her son and DIL’s home… yeah she is an AH.
Agreed. When I bought my own place, I gave my parents a key, and I had the key to theirs. I inherited the old family property on their passing and live here now. Sold my much smaller place. Through the years we all respected each others' privacy. 😊
You don't ask that though. At best, you offer to keep one for the rightful owner for emergencies. If they decline your offer, that's their prerogative.
At best you can add that the offer still stands should they ever need that service. Anything more is way overstepping ...
So that person really is the EAH.
Yes Madam... you don't get to demand keys to somebody else's home. You are a massive AH. 😂
Yeah, OP is a massive a-hole. The entitlement is astonishing and she acted as if being given a key to a home THAT ISN’T HERS is a right of passage. She’s obviously isn’t used to being told ‘no’, which would be a concern for me if I was Jess. Who knows what OP could be doing if she casually decided to drop by and let herself in while nobody was home. Having a rummage fest? Rearranging the rooms? These things have been known to happen.
@@janicevango5791 I agree with you.
I'm super glad that my neighbors and I all get along. There's been multiple incidents of us getting each other's mail and packages. When that happens we simply just give it to the correct person. It's not that hard.
House keys are something that are offered, not demanded. My sister and I have keys to each other's houses, but it was a mutual decision since we cat sit for each other on a regular. No other family member or friend has a key to my house and nobody beyond my wife and I "needs" one.
Yes! Keys are offered, not demanded. You give an extra key to someone you trust. She could have said she'd be willing to keep an extra key in case of emergency, but demanding and assuming she should get one shows shows she's not trustworthy.
You still needed to give a key to someone. The mom didn't ask for their entire family to have one, she just wanted one so she could help take care of the place while they were gone. I think that's reasonable.
@@FoxxyFire-HellFrost You do not "need" to give a key to anybody that doesn't live with you.
@@TheQuantumWave That isn't necessarily true. Maybe YOU think you don't, but that isn't always the case for everyone else and the mom wasn't being weird or malicious for asking. She was trying to be considerate which is obvious when you hear her reasoning.
@@FoxxyFire-HellFrost It is true. Nobody "needs" to give a key to their place to anyone else. We don't have enough information to know if the mother's motivation was benign or not, but it doesn't matter because she was told no and no means no.
Story 5: All 5 of my children are adults. I do not have a key to their homes, and they do not have a key to mine. We have never even discussed it. You are, OP, demanding and entitled. YTA
I agree. My 24 years old lives in apt not far from here. It never occurred to me to ask for a key. She is a grown woman, her life, her choices. MIL got into a pissing contest with dil. It’s obvious you are treating your son as a lil boy instead of a man.
I gave a friend my house key, but that's because I live alone with my two cats and it might be necessary for my friend to get in the house in case of an emergency (car accident, sudden hospitalization, etc). They've never needed to use it, but they have it just in case.
Yep. I and my husband have copies of the keys to my parents' house (I'm the only local kid and they aren't spring chickens) and they have the key to ours (again, who knows what might happen, we get locked out, etc.) They've also had spare car keys of ours. But I've never assumed that I had a right to that key and neither side just randomly shows up and snoops around.
Story #1: Neighbor told himself "I'm not a thief! I'm not stealing from my neighbor! I'm sticking it to a corporation! I'm practically Robin Hood!"
Just two days ago I had a fancy looking wi-fi router and some related kit delivered, but you've guessed it, I didn't order anything.
Same house number, same first part of the postcode (UK version of the Zip Code) but not my name, not my street name etc. I've had normal sized letters for that person before, easy enough to put back in the post box. But I can't shove all of this tech stuff in the slot, too small a slot.
So a post on the Village's FB group, found someone who knew the intended recipient, and dropped it off last night. Simple enough, it was about 500 yards out of the way, a couple of minutes. So anyone looking for a free TV or whatever, you've got no excuse
Story 2: What is it with Family Members getting told one side of the party and instead of checking in with the allegedly “bad person” to hear their side or to make sure what is being told is true, they just cut that person off?
Last story:
Yes, OP is a major A for asking for a house key. That's not a thing to be demanded. The owners of the house IE OP's son and DIL get to decide the if, who, and when of spare or emergency keys.
Story 1. I would have contacted the cops and pressed charges on the old man for stealing my TV as soon as he attempted to keep it.
Even if you did it with the best of intentions you've no right to demand a copy of the key, and then argue about it.
Yes YATA.
To the last story, YES, OP was TA. I will give the key to my house to those I can trust, and to demand a key from me will get the person a definite HELL NO!
MIL seems determined to NOT be given a key. Honestly, I can't think of a better way to talk someone into NOT giving me a key than they she went about it. Talk about myopic!
We've been married for over 50 years, and neither my parents or her parents ever had a key for any of the houses we have lived in over the years.
Rent vs casino story: Wow, talk about having all the wrong priorities! I don't know that I would let her back into my life after all that.
So the siblings also took mom's side? Good grief!
Jim story: Disability know no age limit, old or young. And not all disabilities are visible.
Duplex story: Yeah, I've lived in housed converted to apartments and in townhomes. I much prefer to have my own house. Bad neighbors is one thing. Bad neighbors with whom you share a wall can go to a whole other level.
Key to son's house story: YTA! When and IF they want you to have a key, they'll give one to you. You have absolutely no right to DEMAND a key to THEIR home. Period!
First story: How did the old man not end up arrested and facing a theft charge? Given how expensive the TV apparently was it should have been a grand theft charge. Did the police not do their job properly? Or did OP not press charges?
If it's the latter, ALWAYS PRESS CHARGES! It's the only way they'll face consequences for their actions.
You should have told the guy the TV cost over $2,000 and for him taking your delivery and not giving it to you that's grand theft and you're going to have him charged for felony if he doesn't give you the TV back right now I don't think you need to call the cops that probably would have done it right there😮
Story 3: I am also disabled, and can't walk very far, due to a compression of my spinal cord after an accident, leaving my lower body much weaker. So yes, I use motorcarts when I go to big stores. I've never had any Karen-type encounters, although when I was in my 30s, people would often give me the stinkeye because they, like this EP, thought I was just being lazy (my weight increased after my accident, because I could no longer exercise enough to keep it down). The funniest one though, was when I had a newer cart that was much faster than the older models. I drove past an older guy in one of those snail-speed models, and he started yelling at me for driving recklessly. BTW, I'm always very careful on motorcarts, and have never had an accident, unless someone else backs into me after I stop.
Story 4: Love that justice!
I think the Mom demanding a key made her the a hole she did ruin their evening. And also ruined her husband’s evening.
Story 1 - That guy is a porch package snatcher. This is why it’s important to have a ring/porch camera for this kinda thing. To catch thieves and report them because stealing someone else’s mail/packages is a felony.
Not that your advice isn't a good one, but in this particular story it's explicitly stated the amazon driver left the package at the wrong door in the first place. OP even received the photo of the delivered package in front of the neighbor's door.
While I agree in general, a porch camera wouldn't have helped in this case because the delivery was to the wrong address; HIS porch.
He waa in the wrong for trying to keep it. OP is just lucky their grandfather was able to identify the neighbor's porch from the delivery company's photo.
Hey babe! wake up! Latest batch of Karen's just dropped! Thanks Fluff and Steve-O!
My 3 neighbors and I each have a key to each other’s homes in case of an emergency. One neighbor’s son was constantly locking himself out/losing his key so it worked out very well for all of us. Of course we’d known each other quite some time before doing this but it was great knowing we had a backup plan.
Story 1: the only way this makes sense is if the old neighbor is senile or suffering from dementia.
Those are both the same thing.
Story 3: Oh my gosh! I do not like people like this!!! Like, dude, not all disabilities are visible!
Why didn't any store employees confront the harassing man?
@@DianeCasanova Who knows… But you’d think they would notice and do something!
I discovered my mom used the "emergency" key to give my visiting uncle an impromptu tour of my new and untidy home while I was at work; my death stares ensured she never did such a thing again. Even so, she still seems to think "what's mine, is hers"
Cha he your locks, honey. Give someone you can trust who isn't in contact with her a key, or put an extra key in your purse, very well hidden in your car, or wrap it in paper, seal it in a small jar and bury it under a marker of some kind in your back yard.
If the carrier sends the package to the wrong address, it's up to the carrier to get the TV back or take legal action. The purchaser is not responsible for that.
ive had stuff from amazon delivered to wrong door (was an apartment complex with our doors outside). happened 4 times but each time the neighbor dropped it off at leasing office.
I don't get that last one at all. My friend and his wife ended up hauled off to jail two months ago and I had to care for their house for a week until I could bail her out, only I couldn't get in there because I had no key. Fast forward a week and I looked her in the face and told her I need a key to her place in case of another emergency like this happening again. Did she argue? No, she coughed up a spare key right then and there, end of story.
Story 5: it's fine if family has a copy of your house key. HOWEVER... all responsible parties living in the home have to agree to those living outside the home having a key! My sister nearby and my dad about 30 min away have our key because they'll never use them (and have probably forgotten they have them) unless both fiancé and I are having heart attacks simultaneously.
Story 5 - Yes, OP was definitely out of line in this case. Having a key to someone else's house is a privilege, not a right. I can understand her offering to keep a key for an emergency, but when her daughter-in-law declined, she should have let it go. OP may or may not have had good intentions, but it's not her house, and therefore it's not her business.
Actually not quite... because what if Jess was away from home and her son has issues...like what if he got hurt and Jess isn't answering the phone? His mom could be the only person to save his life...I technically understand... but yeah she could've worded it a bit better
*story 5
@@kitsuinarinightshade4474no is no
if someone doesn't understand that and tries to cross the boundaries then yes they are the AH no matter how good their intentions were
@@itsmilan4069 Thanks for catching that. I've corrected the mistake.
@@kitsuinarinightshade4474 Irrelevant. It's their house and their decision.
And Amazon isn’t look good. That’s ridiculous. Package was delivered to wrong address, OP doesn’t have to do anything. You report the transaction to the credit card company and they do a charge back. It’s amazon’s problem and fight with the delivery company
Ordered a product, shipped next day and here it is 11 days later and here's hoping it comes today. Came by 2nd day air shipping. It's fresh bread.
I'm not a fan of Amazon, but in this case they aren't responsible. They cover themselves by sending the package with tracking info and delivery confirmation. I believe they said FedEx delivered it, so FedEx is responsible because they delivered it to the wrong address. If this happens, call whatever delivery company was used and insist they get the package back. FedEx is also responsible for replacing the item if they can't get it back. If they leave it on your porch and porch pirates steal it, that's on you, they're only obligated to get it to the correct address.
@@cyndib511 I've found it's not always clear, especially for some delivery companies. Sometimes Amazon does the work. Sometimes, the delivery companies won't do anything under any circumstances and takes no accountability.
In theory, everything is clear. In practice....
I have had Fed Ex drop the ball a few times. Calling them did.... NOTHING. Same with USPS. Only UPS ever actually responded and fixed a problem after I called. Amazon has just started doing deliveries here in my town. So far so good, but I do have a package running late that should have been here yesterday. We will see.
@@lancerevell5979 The first one you mentioned is particularly terrible. They even flat out lie that they've delivered it. They've done things you may not believe.
Actually, USPS has been doing a great job and UPS is good too. Amazon is a mixed bag: Great when it's their own people and terrible when it's contracted delivery. That last one: The medicine from the Amazon Pharmacy wasn't delivered and sent back -- after I saw the car and driver, who just turned around and sped off! The Pharmacy came through, but it had to be reordered and have their regular driver deliver (who did very well).
I'm very amazed at how incompetent the us Amazon is. Where I'm from they'll call you to arrange a time and call you again for you to receive your order so nothing gets stolen by neighbors ever
My MIL has a house key, but she is super respectful of our boundaries, never comes over without permission or an invitation, and will often double check if she can come by to grab/drop off something.
LAST STORY: I rent my apartment through a private letting agency and when I moved in the first thing I did was change the Yale barrel/lock.
Their slogan is "Our house, Your home". Damn right my home, which is why I don't want people I don't know entering without my permission and snooping. My brother had a copy of my keys but he lives abroad now so I have them back. It just means I have to be more careful. But yes: Ethan's mother was the AH for taking it for granted that she should have a key. And good on the DiL for sticking up to her and telling her No.
My grandmother always had a copy of our house keys. But she never demanded it. My mother always made sure she had one just in case or when we were out of town, and she would come over to feed the cat.
Story 1: I think the old guy was very entitled
How’d he not end up in jail for theft? In Ohio receiving stolen property is also a crime.
0:28 TV Thief Theodore
3:14 Toxic Momzilla/Grannyzilla (Also, the fact that everyone immediately sided with her just shows how stupid OP's family is)
8:41 Random grown man who would throw a temperature tantrum rather than help out his elderly mother, (I bet he kept bothering Jim for the scooter just so he wouldn't have to help his mom)
12:07 Nightmare Neighbor Nancy and Neal
19:25 I'm half and a half on this one, Jess was kind of rude an OP was rather pushy
I have to admit there have been some hot summer days when _I've_ thrown a temperature tantrum!
Amazon never used to deliver here, but put parcels through the post. We have those community mail boxes. Once the postperson put my Amazon parcel in the big 'slot', but put the key for it in our neighbor's mail slot. They took the box home, without looking at the label, and opened it. As soon as they opened it, they realized that this parcel wasn't for them, but for me. So they kindly brought it over, apologizing for opening it.
Now Amazon actually delivers here but I have to check the label because FedEx delivered a parcel here that was supposed to go to our neighbor; the neighbor who got our Amazon package! Yes, we frequently get neighbor's parcels and mail, and neighbor's get our parcels and mail. No one tries to steal any of them.
My Dad has a key to my house as a back up if we get locked out. At a previous address, my neighbor and I exchanged keys as a backup as well. I would check on his cats when one was sick and my Dad was able to meet contractors coming to yhe house to prevent me from having to take off. However I do acknowledge that there is a high level of respect and trust with both.
Story 2 - the worst thing my mom did when I was pregnant with her only grandchild was come to the classes with me, watch the awful movie and comment " if I'd known it looked like that, I never would have had you OR your brother" and everyone cracked up. Come delivery time, the doctor had to nudge her out of the way because she was wanting to see her granddaughter being born. I gave her a grandson and she spoiled him rotten. I'm sorry you had to get a protective order 😢
What a ghastly expression "baby daddy" is.
Well, my younger son gave me his key, just in case. Later he took it back (I don't remember why, but it's none of my business anyway). He told me the other day (a month or two back) that he plans to bring it here, again. I'm still waiting.
Oh, to clarify: I never asked for it, it's 101% his decision.
Story 1: I don't know what the law is in OP's country... but where I live it's literally illegal to open mail or packages if it's not your name on it.
Story 4 was pretty amazing!
Story 5 sounds like OP is the entitled one... wtf. I mean sure, giving a trusted person a spare key is a good idea but her approach...
Wrong delivery : My daughter joined CMU a decade ago. The day she landed in Pittsburgh, a courier delivered a SMG to a shop (near the dorm where she would share an aptt) that ordered a flat screen large TV. The shop owner called cops. They interrogated him, were convinced it was a genuine case and found who the real buyer was. A gun shop owner!
I wonder what would have happened if the electronics shop owner had quietly kept the SMG? Are there other incidents like this happening all over the US?
First story. Why wasn't the neighbor arrested for grand theft?
Second story. I would say for OP to go "No Contact" with her Entitled Mother.
Story 2: lemme give everyone some advice here. If this kind of thing happens, NEVER "threaten" to call the cops. JUST. CALL.
Call the cops while they're distracted by their own noise so the lights and sirens surprise them. DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! I'm so tired of reading about ppl "tHrEaTeNinG" these jerks with police to get them away. You're giving them an out, a way to escape consequences.
Agreed 100%. Never give the bad guy an opportunity to flee.
An ending where you lose all contact with your mother, and brother and sister is NOT a happy ending, even when it's the right thing to do, it's still a sad ending. Completely.
Story 2: EM: "I gambled away my rent money."
Me: "Boy, that sounds like a horrible set of circumstances. I'm sorry you have to deal with the consequences of your actions." Click.
"Respect your elders"
'Uh, this is the 21st century. There's no such thing as 'elders' in this part of the world anymore...'
Dang, I moved out when I was 18 and never even thought of giving my parents a copy of my key. They didn't ask either
Respect is earned. NOT freely given because of age and the likes.
Story 2: why OP didn't go no contact with that failure of a mother is beyond me...
Story 2: heh, I don't know if I'd call the end of that story a 'happy' ending. But at least the OP doesn't have to deal with her families entitlement.
I would absolutely give my MIL a key to my home. She has always been wonderful and respectful of our space. We have a key to her home too.
That guy absolutely didn't order a TV
12:27 a duplex is two houses with a connecting wall. So having half a duplex is in other words, A house.
Tracked down one of my Amazon packages last year by the delivery photo (very unique, brightly colored stairs and windows, so I recognised it as being on the opposite side eodnrhe block) and by the time I got there 10min later, after knocking several times, I got the package mostly back. She had already opened it and used several of the stickers that were part of the order. Several custom and expensive Christmas ornaments were also missing. Amazon wouldn't refund us without a police report, and according to them, they spoke to her and were told she returned it all, so... yeah. No sympathy from me. (we also had a 65" brand new curved Samsung TV stolen from the porch there, but that was easier to get a police report for. Amazon shipped another one and we waited by the window, LOL.)
Story 4: I am very confused. OP mentions a couple of times that they BOUGHT their half of the duplex. If they bought, and are not renting, why then, do they still have a landlord?
Since they mentioned it being paradise and said it was like Hawaii prices.....perhaps another country 🤷🤷♀️🤷♂️ with different ways of doing things.....or maybe since they only bought half of the guy's house they just called him landlord since that's what he was to the people on the other side that was being rented. 🤷🤷♀️🤷♂️.
Good question
They didn't. But that guy was still the landlord of the second half of the duplex, hence he was the landlord of their neighbors. And before they bought it from him he also was the landlord of their duplex half. The neighbor already lived there at the time and apparently took advantage of the generous policy of the landlord, then felt screwed over when the landlord couldn't offer this anymore since he sold one part of the duplex. And of course OP of the story had to interact with the landlord of the neighboring property. It's all pretty clear in the story IMO.
We need an update to the last story. Son and DIL come with their tails between their legs because that incident happened where they locked both sets of keys in the house and his parents could have saved the day but "they don't need a spare key" 😂😂😂
I gave a key to my best friend and one to my daughter. I occasionally lock myself out.😂
There is only one family member who has a spare key to my home. I have medical issues, so it is in the case of an emergency, or if i have to go away as my daughter lives 6 hours away and i have a cat that needs checked on and fed. But if someone demanded a key in that manner, theyd be told where to go!
i think story 4 has a lot mire updates. If i remember correctly the virus hits and op wasn't able to evict the neighbour and it took a lot of time to get them out
empty beer cans over the fence? I hope OP's locality has deposit on beer cans! Coulda made a fortune turning them in for $$$.
That last story: "How many of you give people keys so they can go into your home when you're not home". Uhhh, that's not an Emergency Key or what it's for, and the OP said no such thing. It's disgusting to twist the situation like that. Don't do that. YES, OP said it wrong, she should have SUGGESTED giving her a key, OFFERED to accept a key. An Emergency is for an EMERGENCY (funny, just saw a rerun of How I Met Your Mother where Robin needed HER Emergency key from Lily). An Emergency Key is for if the owner gets locked out, or is away and needs someone to go in ("Feed my fish" or "water my plants" or "I forgot my ID/passport and now I need it, can you get it and bring it to me?"). A valid, approved reason that the owner needs someone else to have a key/be able to get in.
I had a temporary driver, and had a bed delivered to a house a block down wrongly, same number, different street. I stopped the driver and told him, he went right back but it was already gone, they denied getting it Amazon replaced it. A month later, the same thing happened, except it was a dresser, when I called again Amazon tried to say that it was delivered and they would not replace it. I had to call again and told a supervisor that it was not my fault their driver delivered it wrong. The picture was of the wrong house and with it I had proof of that. I reported it to the police who refused to do anything because I had no proof except the picture. After telling them to look up the 3 different accounts from that address, I suggested that replacing it was a lot better than losing all 3 accounts. Different roommates. Funny, I got it replaced 2 days later and a note to double check the address everytime. Never happened again.
Last story: I can't tell if OP trying to manipulate her DIL into giving her a copy of the key rather than outright demanding she have a copy, or if OP is treating her DIL like a child who needs to be told how to run her life now that she has a house. OP was very condescending towards her DIL, talking and explaining about emergencies as if givng a copy of your house key to someone is the norm and DIL doesn't know this because she grew up in a cave or something.
My dear SO brought in a package from our front step. We realized it was to the guy across the street so my SO called the delivery company and the seller and told them what happened. He said he was going to take it over to him. Later we found out that the guy across the street said it had been taken and cast suspicions on us. He then later, when he was confronted by us said, just chill out he was going to sell one and everyone did this kind of thing. We don't, so my SO called all involved and said he would be willing to help them get their property back. It was all sorted and needless to say the guy across the street was not very happy. It ended that some of the other people in the neighborhood saw my SO taking it back to him.
When I bought my home, I put a copy of my house key in my safety deposit box. I had my father as someone who could access it and he had a key to the box. Not once in the 10 years did he have to access the box, but my MIL demanded a key. My wife told her no, and why she would never get a key. She didn't like it, and was thrown out of our house when my wife caught her trying to take her keys to copy all of them. She never got a key.
"When you steal something, you spend your _whole life_ fighting to keep it."
-Rothbart, The Swan Princess (1994)
I got my neighbor's mail once. It was just a couple houses down, so I walked over there, knocked on the door, and gave it to them. No clue what was in it, but it damn sure wasn't mine, nor was the trouble I could've gotten from trying to keep it.
I have a copy of my son's house key. It's nice that he trusts us to have the key "just in case'. Just recently, our power was out and being winter, we needed a warm place to stay for a few hours. His previous house, I would take care of his pets when he was on vacation. It's all about trust.
And my husband doesn't understand why I want packages found immediately on delivery. I've had that. Thankfully the lady who got the wrong delivery was nice. It was 3 cases of my first book and she brought the small box but asked my husband to come get the others. So nice a lady.
Anyway, on keys. I have the keys to my kid's house, just in case. I've only used it when they were gone and I was checking on the cat. As for our house, my son, four friends, and at one point my husband didn't have a key because a grandson got a copy. I trust those who have the keys, though and I don't hand them out just because. And, my husband has the key now so it's okay. :)
House key story. My neighbor has my spare key. Somebody should have a key, but it is always the homeowners choose.
My mom has a copy of my key at my insistence actually but she's great. I've looked myself out a couple times and she had to feed my cat when I was in the hospital. She never tries to go in uninvited or to snoop or be creepy. It really is an emergency key. I'm so lucky my mom is decent.
The moment she opened her mouth insisting upon a key my first thought was Ahole!
Story 2 - you can have more than one baby shower.
Baby shower story: i swear i thought op would cave.
Scooter story: the man made it personal since he wanted to be right. His ego and sense of control were challenged.
Why did op leave their home open during a party
Your one of the few people who I can listen to while having a headache, which is one of the best compliments I can give. Thank you so much for these videos. :3
Story 5 NEVER GIVE IN LAWS KEYS TO YOUR HOUSE!!!! It almost always ends badly.
When I have my house (if ever) I’ll be giving a house key to my mother, sis and bro in law. That’s just me as they help me greatly with my daughter. But that Mom was an extremely pushing MIL demanding a key. Like lady noooo back up 😂
Story number 4:
Be sure your words are sweet for you may have to eat them!🤣🤣
Last story: the proper phrasing is "Do you want Dad and me to have a copy of your key for emergencies?" They might still have elected to say "No" but it could have been said politely and that would be that. Mom doesn't NEED a key, but some people want her to have one for feeding the cats and checking up on things when they're away. (Just put a lock on you bedroom and/or office door.) But demanding a key is really inappropriate. It might have been interesting to see the reaction if the young couple demanded a key to Mom & Dad's place in turn!
Story 5: So from what I can gather, Jess had every right to say no, even if Ethan had a different opinion on the matter. It's her house too and she gets equal say in who gets a key and who doesn't. And on that note, those kinds of decisions should be made by both of them as a single unit, with actual discussion and compromise. OP was expecting Jess to make a decision right then and there by herself that her mother-in-law, whom she probably doesn't know that well yet, can have an all access pass to her home. Now Jess could have handled it better and not spoken FOR Ethan, but OP's actions and phrasing were a bit of a red flag at best. And if Jess felt the need to set a boundary after that, it's understandable.