John Schneider Explains Decision to Pull Jose Berrios & Reacts to Blue Jays Being Eliminated in WC
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As a Jays fan for 39 years this was the first time I wished they hadn't made the playoffs. Unreal.
Same
Yankees fan here, blame the analytics for the Berrios move, why would take out your pitcher when he is absolutely Dominating the Twins. 4 innings 5ks
Plus they signed him for $131 million dollars and y’all do that to the poor guy ? Ridiculous move
And only after 57 pitches. He was not in trouble. If the next batter hits him hard then maybe you consider it.
Incredibly low baseball IQ, top to bottom from management to the players. This team is straight up stupid. From sleeping on bases, blowing through stop signs to pulling pitchers in their best game of the season, and not putting in hot hitters - this team does not make any smart moves. Dumb is the best word to describe all of them.
@@waynejohanson1083 48* pitches
Yes it was a dumb move, but that move wasnt the main factor, blue jays batters didn’t show up, you should beat a team giving up 2 runs
Everything you said I agree with, except the poor part.
"Tough to watch it unfold a little bit"
You're the fucking manager bud.
John Schneider "Jose has electric stuff... Tough to take him out". Lmao
Exactly. Then don't.
Nothing was learned from last season. Time for change.
your oblivious.
@dixinbuttz44 Oblivious? You mean the dirty birds don't actually suck??
Did not like the move by Schneider but that is not why they lost the game or the series. One run scored in 18 playoff innings is why they lost this series.
1 run in 2 games will not win you any games unless you win one of those games 1 to 0.
Well they had three good bats that they traded away in the off season ( Hernandez, Gurriel & Moreno) with the latter two still playing. At least we didn’t need the home run jacket in the payoffs, because no one could hit, so Ross Atkins should be happy
In all the years I've been a baseball fan and since following the Jays since '91, I don't recall ever being relieved that the season was over for a team I was a fan of. The way they run things is as if the want to kill baseball in Toronto. Clear out the khakis and the GM and get 2 bats here. I really miss having AA run this team and lament the fact that they didn't hand him the keys to the franchise. He was fun all on his own.
I was relieved when my 76ers season ended. Could t take anymore.
One pitching change= they wanna kill baseball? 🙄
@@paulg6274Lol...nice try. You wish it was just one stupid move with pitcher. It was a thousand stupid moves.
@@mysticrythems2112 ah they wanted to kill baseball with 1000 cuts....what were some of those cuts?
I watched every single minute of every game. Every single decision. Are you trying to tell me you only seen one bad move by this terrible team and management?
I think analytics, over good scouting and experience, have ruined the in game experience. I thought Blake Snell getting pulled in a World Series game a few years ago, while pitching a gem, was the worst baseball analytics move, but pulling Berrios last night, while pitching his heart out, and was untouchable, is right up there. What is the point of having a manager, bench coach & a pitching coach, if the in game decisions are made ahead of time in a boardroom with a bunch of computer nerds.
Well he gave up 3 hits and a walk in 3 innnings. Not that it makes a huge diff but ...
@@paulg6274 He was out pitching Sonny Grey in hits, walks snd pitches thrown but you didn’t see them take their ace out. You go from a guy who was throwing a great game, has experience in that ballpark, to a guy who has not pitched out of the pen all year, with a runner on, and struggled in his last couple games. Give me old time baseball anytime instead of this computer analytics
@@HamiltonRb Sonny gray should not have been left in to face Bichette a 3rd time with tieing run on 2nd, that was s mistake. I'm not saying it was for sure right ro take out Berrios either but its not nearly as bad as ppl think. "Having domianted first time through the order" actually is not a good predictor of how they'll do a 2nd time. Kikuchi had the 2nd lowest opponent OPS vs lefties in the entire league, Berrios doesn't do well ve lefties. It was known that Baldelli would pinch hit, so Kikuchi faced the righties, but now Jays also get Romano, Hicks and Swanson against those righties the rest of the way. There was more to it than ppl think.
I dont think coming in with a runner on was that big a deal. Kikuchi pitches with runners on all the time. Ppl just identify a variable and assume it will hurt but i dont see why it necessaily would
And to think Berrios was pitching in his old stadium! The way Berrios acted after being pulled was pure class! I hope the free agents that are leaving punch Schneider right in the face on the way out the door.
I've been a fan since day 1 at exhibition stadium. This is the biggest disappointment hands down.
@@paulg6274 I think a lot of these matchups are just over complicating a game. I can vividly remember guys like Steve Carlton, Roger Clemens, Nolan Ryan and others, throwing 8-9 innings every game, lefties and righties, and the manager wouldn’t think about taking them out
This team needs to sit Vladdy down and tell him to grow up. He lacks focus, intensity and effort. Having fun during the season is part of the game, its a long season but when you reach the stretch and are competing for a post season spot, you turn on that switch and Vladdy has yet to show that. Atkins and Shapiro cleared out the leaders in the clubhouse to change the culture and leadership group. Its clear both Vaddy and Bo are not mature enough to lead a clubhouse. Schneider and Atkins need to go! Baseball isnt played on paper and analytics are a tool not the bible. An exoerienced and respected skipper would not have taken Berrios out no matter what the consequences. It was the wrong move not just because in hindsight, Kikuchi gave up the runs but also because it deflated any momentum and fight out of the players. Hire a real manager and a GM that trusts his eyes more than his calculator.
Sure. blame Chapman and the hitters. But it all started with taking Berrios out. Schneider never takes the blame
He wasn't blaming Chapman
Cause it is on the batters, that pitching change didn’t cost them, blue jays batters couldn’t score so I didn’t matter
He just doesn't realize how terrible a decision this was...the reporters were way too nice to him. WTF is going on. If I'm Jose I'm taking a flight to Toronto, packing my bags and demanding a trade.
Not a huge Schneider fan but I mostly want Atkins gone. They do that and I'm happy.
Absolutely...only player doing his best was pitcher, yet dumb front ofc told him to replace, omg..Total idiot, Atkins..
Neither is going nowhere. They just need to improve season to season to make it further.
dude do you ever hear that guy talk oh my god the shit that comes out of his mouth / ass omg like so disrespectful to the fans to think that were that stupid and gulable to belive his shit
@johnsummerhill8323 well they're regressing so how's that going for them? They're clearly not making the right moves to improve, so get someone who knows how to actually build a team with some heart
@@johnsummerhill8323 "Improve season to season." Like this year, where they were worse?
Management needs to go. They've ruined a talented and entertaining group of guys, and turned it into boring underachieving baseball.
I have never ever before seen a starter who has his best stuff get pulled.
Shocking.
Schneider did that during all the season....he waits too long to take a pitcher out and takes out a good pitcher for no reason !!!!!!!!!
No one was second guessing the pitching change. They were first guessing as the manager was on his way to the mound.
You do not pull a pitcher who is pitching well in an important game such as this? What a bone -headed move by Schneider! Analytics or not. Excuses, excuses does not fly with me! Major changes are necessary, for this team to be World Series bound. Time for a new manager, too soft!
The way decisions were made throughout the year cost the Jays alot of games. These are professionals and can face any batter whether lefties or rightness. The top reliever was overused. John be gone
Who cares about Berrios. The lineup is garbage. Sorry, when you have Biggio batting 5th in that lineup, there is a big problem. Jays might as well have lost 10-0...when you can't score runs what difference does it make.
And Vladdy getting worse year by year? Still that fat....God forbid you lose 30lbs just to see what happens. Guy is fast too....imagine with 30lbs less and he has the power anyway, he doesn't need the weight for anything.
You could have said no to taking him out John, WTF was that? I think you are done!
That move destroyed the focus and confidence of the team, back breaking decision, I know a lot of players felt that was the wrong move ffs.
You have this absolutely right.
Let go of the Berrios call. It cost them 2 runs, which was enough to win the game. That was their problem all season.
It's embarrassing when you google his name and he's not even on the front page.
That was sad for baseball. Where are we going with all this stuff? Soon they will be saying this pitcher can go 4 innings! What a work horse.
"He had electric stuff. It was hard to take him out." . . . "That's baseball." . . . No, that's not baseball, it's bad analytics.
The issue isn't that statistics are used, it's that they are used incorrectly. The value of statistics is their good percentage of predicted success with LARGE sample sizes. In important games, a good pitcher who is healthy, is currently pitching well coming into the game and performs well in important games is a SMALL sample size. Important games are a SMALL sample size, so you can't evaluate the performance by statistics, you have to do it by the pitcher's past experience.
Not only that, but the morale, confidence and resulting PERFORMANCE of the other teammates is also improved when they see that their ace pitcher is in a groove in a playoff game. Your team didn't hit when their ace gets pulled? Go figure.
If you have a very good pitcher who is pitching well in a playoff game, there is absolutely NO reason to remove them and every reason to leave them in until they start to fail. That's good analysis not bad analytics.
i was so f#$#$ fired up yesterday watching jose pitch all i was thinking one run basset tommorow
Step into my office, Why? Because you're F ing FIRED!
Never been more disappointed with a team. I think a lot of fans won't be going to games next year unless some changes are made, both management and lineup.
This pitching staff was good enough to win the World Series, the management and lineup let us down.
Exactly 🤘
When the game was over I changed channel because I didn’t want to hear his lame excuses
The look on his face when the twins loaded the bases was priceless it was like
He was saying I think I royally screwed up
I hope to see him gone next season with rest of the management team
Schneider cared more for the bookies and prizepicks before wanting to win for his team…
The blue Jays were terrible in both games, majority of the pitchers for the jays were throwing the ball in the dirt and it was just sad to watch, how did these guys make it to the the majors when they played like they should be back in the minors?. I wasn’t surprised the jays would lose considering they barely made the postseason. The team needs some serious restructuring in the off season.
Ross Atkins' throwing Schneider under the bus pretty much shows you all you need to know about the Blue Jays management integrity, or lack thereof. The Jays respectability has really taken a hit since Alex Anthopoulos left. I am glad AA won a World Series since and has shown he is not just a capable GM and executive, but a keen baseball mind. Unlike these two clowns from Cleveland organization (Shapiro and Atkins). I personally don't think this was a Schneider decision alone but the fact that Atkins is sitting on the fence, neither endorsing or criticizing the Berrios decision tells me he is complicit - him and the various departments who had a hand in the decision. The fact that he let Kirk, Gurerro and Manoah get past spring training when all of them are out of shape speaks volumes to the lack of drive and quality that the Jays need. I feel bad for Berrios - he put it all on the line and throughout the year he has consistently given the Jays chances to win. It can't be put squarely on Kicuchi either as he was not a BP pitcher throughout the year. Lack of offence exacerbated an already untenable situation.
There is no way both Cito Gaston and john Gibbons would not have made that move they would have left Jose Berrios in the game
Jr didn't seem to learn from Sr. Sr took every bat seriously and had his head in the game throughout. Jr still has a lot to give to the game. Look back and see why Sr struck fear every time he came to the plate. His stance had a lot to do with it. There was no rocking back and forth. When Jr gets his confidence back he will be a force to reckon with. Work hard young man and show the naysayers. Best of luck next year
im sure sr got crucified on losing teams vlad just a scape goat just the way it is like the 2 run home run in texas so the jays lose 20 2 last two games lose 20 0 without him
Vladdy lacks intensity and is not a leader like the front office had hoped. Take the leadership role away from him, let him focus on playing and tell him to grow up. Your tendancies and demeanor during the season carry over to the post season. Getting picked off at 2nd base during an elimination game, down by 2 runs has been his MLB career in a nutshell. Watching balls hit the wall instead of hustling to 1st and little league base running are all attitude issues. Bichette has plenty of intensity but in this series he tried to do more and it hurt the team. Schneider needs to learn how to stand up for his players anc Atkins needs to stop micro managing from the office. They both should go.
All Jr wants to do is homeruns !! Allways the same swing, at the same place !!! Hes not serious, only looking for attention...this is not a show...he jogs to first base !!! You have to run as fast as you can !!! Each time !!! So many bad decisions all trough the season from manager and players !!!!
Honestly it’s gonna be really hard to watch Vladdy 🃏. He will have to turn over a new leaf.
Vlad is a poor sport. He is extremely childish in a man's game. He thinks he is way better than he has to prove. Sad.
That’s the problem I think. Jose was cooking so need to scrap the plan
Him cooking doesnt mean as much as u think. Its still not very good predictor of continued success in the game
Does Harold Ballard ring a bell in The Big Smoke?? Melynk in Ottawa? Pocklington in Edmonton? $ before trophies... Jerry Jones in Dallas...
See ye man
dont fret guys were going after paul dejon next year
Michael said Carlo had to answer for Santino.
Mr. Schneider, you gotta answer for Berrios.
It was not Schneider's fault. He was following up his boss. Cant blame him for his job security...
So he's a coward as well as an incompetent fool? Got ya
He’ll be the one to be fired for it unfortunately
Blame is squarely on the players. One run in two games.
Fire him and his boss... if your boss tells you to do something absurdly stupid you don't do it!!! Weak sauce!!!
He is the last line of defense against that exact type of bad decision AS THE MANAGER. 100% John Schneider is at fault for making the move, not for coming up with it. FIRE the weak moron.
Rest of the infielders didn't even make eye contact with Schneider on the mound when he went to pull Berrios. Says something. I'm not even a Blue Jays fan but this might've been the most pissed I was all season, just as a baseball fan. I don't wanna watch this BS, a starting pitcher cruising, doing what he's paid big money to do, just to be removed in the 4th inning so we can rush to the bullpen to blow it because that's what the nerd analytics tell us to do because we don't know how to be an actual manager.
Roy Atkins runs the useless analytics department. He NEEDS to go along with Schneider
"He had electric stuff. It was hard to take him out."
Well, don't you think that means that you leave him in?
That decision didn’t cost them the game
Double AA manager. I hope you enjoyed the last 16 months. When you get fired, I’ll “tip my cap” to whomever gives you the game-over handshake.
I want Ross Atkins, Mark Shapiro and John GONE TODAY! They are killing this team. And what did Guerrero think he was doing on second base coaching Bo?? He’s the one that needs coaching. Like how to run bases and not swing at high outside pitches!! What a joke.
Then that’s a lousy plan to remove Berrios in that situation. And whoever made that decision should take the responsibility and bite the bullet !
LOL get this bozo out. The facts are this guy leans way too much on numbers, and he hasn’t learned a speck since last season apparently. I’m not a blue jays fan but I like to watch their pressers when they lose and I’ll love when this guy gets fired.
I am definitely disappointed with the owner of the blue jays team and know we are going to lose 7 players now I have watched this team play baseball for 46 years and they played this season was pretty bad they will never win a world championship because of management
Wow he called Chappy out……
Fire Atkins and the rest will follow except for Walker.
Walker has that fire and passion, this team needs more of that.
Electric stuff and you pull him ??? AI is not everything!!! How about using your baseball knowledge and an in the moment decision (that is different than your plan) - bad decisions
Get this fool outta here 😤
He should just say ”Im incompetent”.
Blaming Chapman is childish
He didnt . He was saying Chapman was unlucky to just miss 2 huge hits but inches
Did anyone care to ask Donny Baseball???? Come on !!!!!
Schneider full of excuses as always. This is the time where shapiro or Atkins need to grow a set and address the fans and media. Even better to see/hear Rogers address the fans and media !
Imagine wanting to come back and watch this joke of a unprofessional team without them blowing it up!? We come to watch pros not amateurs.
Analytics have ruined sports period, Schneider was doing what the 2 idiots told him to do based on the spreadsheet of data. Life don't work like that
The only one I think should be gone is Kevin kiermaier sure he is a great player in the field but he was not very good with the bat just saying
Jays went WOKE years ago when they got rid of ASUNA.. I hate this organization for 5 years now.. and I was HUGE jays fan... the entire organization reminds me of the LEAFS..
His name is Osuna buddy
1000%
They stayed woke supporting Budweiser and Anheuser-Busch products after the whole Dylan Mulvaney nonsense.
What are you gonna do now give Bo or Chapman to the twins as a reward for beating you like you did for Seattle?!?
You need a manager who's fearless and strong, Johns not that!
i dont even know how to grade the twins performance cause they didnt even beat anybody in this series
Terrible game! The Blue Jays weren't even competive in this wild card series. No one showed up offensively , bats went cold when you needed them like all year. Leaving men on base.
Sloppy plays like Vlad getting picked off on second base etc.
They didn't even allow David Schneider a chance when players are not hitting.
John is an ok manager but Toronto needs a more experienced coach with a sense of urgency. John is just a 2.0 version of Charlie. All analytics and no going with your gut feeling. Sometimes you need to just do what's right and not what analytics say.
John and the organization knew the twins had the upper hand on Gausman but they started him in the series anyway.
Guys like Vlad were a let down this season. These are the guys that should be making an impact and coming through when you need them. What a wasted year, especially that we had the pitching...
Time for a clean sweep in the organization starting from the top down to the coach..
Keep piching get better hitters new manager.
But Vladdy came through with home runs when it counted…in the home run derby. 🤦♀️ I’m being sarcastic in case anyone missed it.
its a great group? did you hear that everyone? what yes man John is telling you is hes been told what to say and not to go off script, if people are shallow and dumb enough to support a group and office that runs a team this way you waste your time , ive already got to see back to back world series years from the best Blue Jays teams of all time 92 93, this team cant even do basic hitting or base running, This man will say and do anything to keep his job, yes man Johnny Even the Media seems controlled , scared to ask tuff questions, WTF is going on today?
OOPS he did it again !!!!!
Schneider needs to be fired . Can't trust him come playoff time .
Blame should only be aimed at the players.
That starts with management ! Top down starting with Atkins. Schneider kept saying accountabilty.. yah whatever . Plus the team is so soft when it comes to taking pitches that either not balls or strikes. It's time to rip umps in their faces ! They need sluggers in the worst way @@johnsummerhill8323
No, the blame should not be only aimed at the players. What a stupid comment. Schneider makes bad decision after bad decision which impacts the players. Poor coaching leads to poor players.
What an absolute disgrace of a manager…..grow a pair and take responsibility for your decisions. Fire him asap and send him packing. Schneider is a minor league coach period
Wrong. Learn the game before you open your mouth. The players are to blame .
@@johnsummerhill8323 right??? If only berrios was dynamite tonight... pitched so poorly he forced schneiders hand into yanking him in 3+1/3!!! All seriousness though... that move demoralized the team (and us fans) and totally changed the entire dynamics...
@@jamest8967 The pitching decision had virtually no effect on the game result. Did you expect them to win 0-0 ? For all we know, Berrios could have given up 3 or 4 runs. It all came down to poor hitting , two games in a row. The pitching and defence was great as usual.
@johnsummerhill8323
Again, you make another stupid comment. Pulling Berrios deflated any momentum they had. Why don’t you learn about baseball before you open your mouth, you clown. Do you not know how baseball works?
I was thinking little league.
Wtf was that, brutal
YOU CANNOT WIN WITH ZERO RUNS. IT DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU BRING SUPERMAN IN FROM THE BULLPEN …. 0-0 is not a win…
ASK THE LEAFS! 😂
He should be fired asap. Dude has no balls to stick up for his player. Get rid of Analytics as well.
We decided to take him cause we are morons
Second guess a 130 million dollar pitcher. Haha
Schneiders village has become aware of his location and has sent a team to get their idiot. Rumour has it Chapman and Berrios were instrumental in reporting his location.
This guy is sitting up their acting all paro and clueless.
#FIREMARKSHAPIRO #FIREROSSATKINS #FIREHITTINGCOACH #FIREJOHNSCHNEIDER P.S. KEEP BO BICHETTE, MERRYFIELD, GAUSMAN, BERRIOS, BASSITT. GUERRERO SHOULD NOT BE THE PRIORITY. Everybody else can be traded, including Vladdy.
Fire Chapman, Kirk ( can t run on bases), Romano and Richards....please keep Biggio....👌
A woke and narcissistic Ross Atkins must stop dictating disastrous team strategies from behind the scenes. ✔️
Worst manager in the history of the franchise I look forward to news of his termination.
So arrogant. He’s problem #1
You can see it in his face he’s a failure….
A joke!
I guess his “dudes” didn’t come through.