UPDATE!!! - Hey, I wanted to add something we learned after. Also, huge shout out to Hardware Unboxed for the additional analysis. We have an updated review coming later but game uplift is actually closer to 5% and in our rush to finish the review on time we did choose titles that were more Zen biased. Also, when comparing this chip against the 7700 (just for gaming) you may have a better more economical option versus the 9700x. For SFF builds that do productivity and gaming you need to decide if the boost is worth it. Hardware unboxed thread X with us on gaming for visibility - x.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1822151590591013338
i guess you cooled the intel systems with a 120mm aio the numbers you pull are holy mother missleading - can you crawl deeper into AMDs behind? in gaming i have seen 9700x pulling 170+ watts and yours stays under 100w? - this review should be alarming to everyone watching - this is 100% bought or hardcore fanboy of AMD
Nice balanced review without clickbait, negative hyperbole. Faster, uses less power, what isn't to like. Ignore the weird, kinda creepy Steve stans creeping around here, they cannot think for themselves.
Probably going to wait till the fall to swap on over to AM5. I know the 7800x3d is still a monster for gaming but i really like those temps for the 9700x.
Nice review less power and less heat sounds great. Can save some money on power supply, cooling and still have good temperatures. Also you wont need the most expensive motherboard with lower TDP and PPT. That means less thermal throttling and less performance loss because of heat and power delivery.
my comp will transfer from 3400g to 9700x next year. mainboard is already here. the temps are fairly at the same level. for me the transition is all about effiencey anyways to maintain the low sonic level for audio production
Thanks for including the best idle data/wattage comparison of all the reviews I have seen. Edit: Will you be able to compare them with the 7600 and 7700 (non X) in a future video?
Kinda crazy how much more positive this review is versus the "consensus". And with the numbers to back up that enthusiasm. Makes me wonder what's driving the massive disparity in conclusions.
Full of what? We actually share out data publicly so you can verify the information yourself and you can ask for screenshots of any of the data in question we capture everything. We stand by our review of how the 9700x when it comes to SFF and gaming is a good option, but it's specific. I think the fact that we highlight the good instead of the bad it just counter to UA-cam culture. We show the data so people can make informed decisions and try not to just get clicks by pooping all over products. There are people this is good for, and we want them to be able to see the information without a bunch of flourishes.
Laziness and confirmation bias. Steve from Gamers Nexus likes to complain, it's his whole thing, negative clickbait. There are plenty of reviews that shine a light on who is a negative clickbaiter and who is actually investigating the 9 series. Scatterbencher makes Steve look stupid. Leo from Kitguru had no issues getting everything running well and likes the chip. Hardware Unboxed is another one of these negative feeding clickbait thumbnail sites that know that negative takes drive clicks. You should avoid both Steve's, competitively disingenuous at best and arrogant.
@@Berserkism I get it. Yeah, both Leo and Windell (and Robey here) were quite positive in their reviews I thought. One of my biggest beefs with CPU reviews is when a conclusion is based primarily on the new versus the prior. OF COURSE it never makes sense to upgrade one gen to the next within a socket gen, that's just dumb. Nor can a new gen EVER compare on a "value" scale to the prior.
This processor does amazing in server benchmarks, Linux, and syntetic. I don't think it's meant for games, but for workstations.... 3d rendering etc. BUt You can always use PBO and squeeze more FPS from it...
9700x still not worth the price cause 7800x3d price so low 7800x3d is the better buy. 7800x3d is still king in gaming.. I'm excited see how the upcoming X3D turns out
On some countries like ours, 7800x3d is 10% more expensive than the new 9700x. I'm happy with my purchase since the 9700x is doing near the performance of 7800x3d with lower wattages, cooler temps, and cheaper price.
@@sklouchechi3968 9700x dont have lower wattages! It consume more unless you dont switch off it!!9700x are stupid buy!!its much slower then r9 7900/x in productivity while gaming are same and price too!! I hardly dozbt you combine 9700x with 4080super or 4090
I am currently in the process of building my first pc and I am stuck on which cpu I should get. I really like this Ryzen 7 9700X one. I will be using my pc for gaming and starting to teach myself coding. I also plan to run virtual machines on it as well. Is this cpu great for these tasks or should I go for the ryzen 9 7900 non-X? It is just that the ryzen 9 7900 non-X is not as good in gaming as the ryzen 7 9700X or the 7700X which is holding me back for about $100 more than the 7700X.
The 9950X I'm sorry to say isn't as good as I expected at all. AMD enabled Core Parking on the 9950X. On a non 3D-Vache CPU...Core Parking...WHY AMD WHY?!
Interesting I see so many people bitching the chips bad and getting horrible benchmark tests in gaming, lol .. seem you know what your doing or just got one that actually worked right.
Linus’s results were similar, and we aren’t the only ones. A lot of mainstream tech press also didn’t complete poop on them. Also our data is free for everyone to look at. It’s pinned as rhe main comment.
@@robeytechLeo from Kitguru has a banger review and he likes it. Scatterbencher is getting great results from overclock/undervolt. He makes these negative reviewers look like the ignorant clickbait they are.
@@robeytech Hint, the 7800X3D crushed 9000X. It would be cool to add in a 5000X3D part as well, they managed a few wins while remaining quite relevant on average comparatively. In Final Fantasy XIV 1080p max the 5600X3D beat everything but the 5800X3D and 7800X3D in this game. It was 5 fps faster than the 9700X and over 40 fps faster than all the standard 7000X. AM4 is so crazy good, on its way to over a decade of amazing gaming performance.
looks like these are geared more for the oem market for hp/dell workstations... can just slap a 200-300w psu in them without any discreet graphics card and they're suitable for office use. for what they're going for (right now), they're not good value.
If you're going to compare the 65W 9700X to its real predecessor you would need to use the 65W 7700 and forget about the clever naming trick AMD is using here. All the so called efficiency improvement goes right out the window when compared fairly. It also means the 7700 non X was $50 cheaper MSRP and had a free air cooler. This is a 9700 non X being sold as a 9700X.
As always we provide all of our data for you to look at! So if you want more details on the data and see all of our testing for yourself it's available here - 1drv.ms/x/s!AjLCQDvYSJCGit4rLLJkJio4wrareA?e=gw7neh
New node, new release. X3D chips are not comparable. The 9 series X3D will undoubtedly be faster, it's low hanging fruit comparison. So is 12 core to 8 core. Do you think that 12 core 9 series will be slower than the 7900X 😂. 9700X uses less power and is faster overall than its predecessor, fact. Use Curve Optimizer with Curve Shaper and its one hell of a good chip. Go watch Scatterbencher to dispell your ignorance.
@@Berserkism actually it use 15-25 watt less with 4090 on all power system which are over 450wstt and that is nothing !!infact as i see few videos power usage are pretty close to zen4 cpus or higher then of 7800x3d !!
Look there is stuff to appreciate about these chips and for new builders especially in the SFF space this is probably your best option. I hate that liking something for the options it provides just because other people don't and didn't look at it from the same angle is bad. TBH tech is not one size fits all.
@@robeytech No one and I mean no one wants to trade performance for efficiency. It's never a good thing otherwise we would all be running Celeron's, and sure a little trade off will be OK in some applications but performance is the driving force behind this discipline, even for space projects. AMD reduced the current draw on these processors to achieve a desired efficiency at the expense of performance which is not going to sit well in this community, however these processors will perform if the power is increases. Shrinking the process does not mean more efficiency, it's actually the opposite. given the dielectric material that separates these transistors is becoming thinner the voltage must be reduced to keep leakage to a reasonable level. I believe we have pretty much reached the end of this fab structure and a new method is necessary which Intel is on the forefront of along with TSMC manufacturing. AMD was not truthful about the performance of these CPU's...
stop talking bullshits!!9600x &9700x performance lift over zen4 cpus are basically none existable or 3% if we watch Hardware unboxed which have best and most detailed tests with most of games and excuse how 9700x are very power efficient are crap too considering it consume only 16watt less then 7700x in all power system usage with rtx 4090 so 464 vs 480 on 7700x system
Bencharks are clearly fake. Everyone else in the world has Intel i7 and i9 beating this CPU in every single game, but here EVEN IN CYBERPUNK your AMD is faster. Come on.
Umm I didn't get paid, and we don't do paid reviews. We also just don't overtly slam things for clicks when there is cool stuff that has been done by the tech.
And there you have it, you're the only person on the planet who is excited for this total flop of a cpu. Yes, you can pay 40% more for a cpu that runs at lower power and no gain in performance over the 7700X (okay maybe 3% +or- depending on title). The only reason I clicked on this video was it had the word "Build" in it, and I thought, "someone's actually going to build with this"? The 7700 and the 7700X are both still a much better deal. I'm building my new machine today with the 7800X3D so I really don't care.
Excited for the SFF potential. To be clear we also said it was only good at one to two core and above 1080p CPUs don’t matter as much (and gaming was impressive). I think you are so used to overly negative reviews that when you find something more balanced it seems insane. There are good things about this chip, is it what the rumors suggested no, but for new builders especially SFF or EU this is a solid option even over the 7800x3D. Also this is why people should wait for independent reviews because 9 times out of 10 reality doesn’t measure up.
Just go with the 7700x or 7700, save money. It's not gonna make a single difference. You guys are hyping up a CPU which is a rebrand of something that it's already there
It depends on the lenses. As a new builder, especially for SFF and in some ways EU this is a good chip given its heat and efficiency. If you Ryzen 7000 or on more modern hardware there isn't anything that warrants an upgrade or moving away from the 7800x3d.
@robeytech which is kind of a bummer, I wanted these to be good. I am thinking of switching from my 14700k to something that doesn't give Anxiety about if my chip is gonna die. But I will wait and see what the ryzen 9 is going to.deliver
now compare it to the 7800x3D tho... I have a 5800X3D and considered waiting for this. After getting alot of info on this I realize I wasted time waiting and now will pull trigger on the 7800X3D. Only real CPU power I need is 3D print slicing and gaming. The 9 series are turning out to be a pretty big flop for me.
UPDATE!!! - Hey, I wanted to add something we learned after. Also, huge shout out to Hardware Unboxed for the additional analysis. We have an updated review coming later but game uplift is actually closer to 5% and in our rush to finish the review on time we did choose titles that were more Zen biased. Also, when comparing this chip against the 7700 (just for gaming) you may have a better more economical option versus the 9700x. For SFF builds that do productivity and gaming you need to decide if the boost is worth it.
Hardware unboxed thread X with us on gaming for visibility - x.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1822151590591013338
I was going to ask you what's happening as your 9700x wins against 14900K
Why BIASED? I think people must come up with 40-50 different game benchmarks to have a final conclusion...
i guess you cooled the intel systems with a 120mm aio
the numbers you pull are holy mother missleading - can you crawl deeper into AMDs behind?
in gaming i have seen 9700x pulling 170+ watts and yours stays under 100w? - this review should be alarming to everyone watching - this is 100% bought or hardcore fanboy of AMD
@@mm3871 what! If you don’t believe it watch it on the live stream!?! We did it live so you can’t even hide it. Not sure what 9700x you are using….
8:45 it is very rare to hear someone have such wisdom while doing their job. You just got a new sub, Sir.
Nice balanced review without clickbait, negative hyperbole. Faster, uses less power, what isn't to like. Ignore the weird, kinda creepy Steve stans creeping around here, they cannot think for themselves.
I love how people bitch about anything. Then a year later they’ll jock it like they didn’t the year before.
Probably going to wait till the fall to swap on over to AM5. I know the 7800x3d is still a monster for gaming but i really like those temps for the 9700x.
who cares for fackn temps then for performance and he dont cool it with 10$ cooler
@Mr11ESSE111 People in hot climates for example?
@@twas_a_cat7721 obviously nobody dont care when 7800x3d are best selling cpu and consume less power then shitty 9700x
@@twas_a_cat7721 a bad airflow case/room and cpu cooler should be your main concern then
I’m glad I waited man. I’m so stoked.
Nice review less power and less heat sounds great. Can save some money on power supply, cooling and still have good temperatures. Also you wont need the most expensive motherboard with lower TDP and PPT. That means less thermal throttling and less performance loss because of heat and power delivery.
my comp will transfer from 3400g to 9700x next year. mainboard is already here. the temps are fairly at the same level. for me the transition is all about effiencey anyways to maintain the low sonic level for audio production
just picked this up at micro center got a good deal. my build cost me 1,450$ very excited to build it.
Thanks for including the best idle data/wattage comparison of all the reviews I have seen.
Edit: Will you be able to compare them with the 7600 and 7700 (non X) in a future video?
We can look at that for sure
@@robeytech AND you will find it is a SMALL power improvement between 9700x and 7700 (non x)
Kinda crazy how much more positive this review is versus the "consensus". And with the numbers to back up that enthusiasm. Makes me wonder what's driving the massive disparity in conclusions.
Yes ,, this review if full of it
Full of what? We actually share out data publicly so you can verify the information yourself and you can ask for screenshots of any of the data in question we capture everything. We stand by our review of how the 9700x when it comes to SFF and gaming is a good option, but it's specific. I think the fact that we highlight the good instead of the bad it just counter to UA-cam culture. We show the data so people can make informed decisions and try not to just get clicks by pooping all over products. There are people this is good for, and we want them to be able to see the information without a bunch of flourishes.
Laziness and confirmation bias. Steve from Gamers Nexus likes to complain, it's his whole thing, negative clickbait. There are plenty of reviews that shine a light on who is a negative clickbaiter and who is actually investigating the 9 series. Scatterbencher makes Steve look stupid. Leo from Kitguru had no issues getting everything running well and likes the chip. Hardware Unboxed is another one of these negative feeding clickbait thumbnail sites that know that negative takes drive clicks. You should avoid both Steve's, competitively disingenuous at best and arrogant.
@@Berserkism Indeed ,, near every you tube channel is simply a show for AMD fan-twerps ,, some more than others
@@Berserkism I get it. Yeah, both Leo and Windell (and Robey here) were quite positive in their reviews I thought.
One of my biggest beefs with CPU reviews is when a conclusion is based primarily on the new versus the prior. OF COURSE it never makes sense to upgrade one gen to the next within a socket gen, that's just dumb. Nor can a new gen EVER compare on a "value" scale to the prior.
As someone who is still on AM4 with a 5800X3D, the 9700X is looking really awesome!
Yep!
obviously you didnt watch Hardware Unboxed and GN reviews and they sayed itzs shit and test show this cpu are shit
@@Mr11ESSE111 Right?
@@faintestcarpet o yes right,3% better then (much) cheaper 7700x is nothing special !!it reminds on Bulldozer cpus over Phenoms
9950X, 9950X3D or 9800X3D for me!
This processor does amazing in server benchmarks, Linux, and syntetic. I don't think it's meant for games, but for workstations....
3d rendering etc. BUt You can always use PBO and squeeze more FPS from it...
Why? Buy Zen 5 X3D for gaming.
@@iLegionaire3755 the 7800x3d is not in stock and I can get the 9700x for $100 less, uses less power and produces less heat
Looking between this and the 7700x for a new AM5 build to upgrade from my 3600; which would you suggest runs best alongside the 7800xt card?
Where I live is sooo hot and I will upgrade my i9 9900kf to r7 9700x. Man, those temps...
Man, I really need somebody to test this chip with the new windows build and a higher TDP
im planning to buy the rtx 4060 & Ryzen 7 9700x, is this a good combination too?
It’s overkill for the 4060. But you should get a 4060ti 16GB. The base 4060 is not a good card for what you pay.
9700x still not worth the price cause 7800x3d price so low 7800x3d is the better buy. 7800x3d is still king in gaming.. I'm excited see how the upcoming X3D turns out
For SFF to 9700x will be a better CPU I think. But yes outside of that you aren’t wrong.
@@robeytech 9700x have nowhere price on the level of r9 7900/x and its way slower then this cpu and gaming are around same
On some countries like ours, 7800x3d is 10% more expensive than the new 9700x. I'm happy with my purchase since the 9700x is doing near the performance of 7800x3d with lower wattages, cooler temps, and cheaper price.
@@sklouchechi3968 9700x dont have lower wattages! It consume more unless you dont switch off it!!9700x are stupid buy!!its much slower then r9 7900/x in productivity while gaming are same and price too!! I hardly dozbt you combine 9700x with 4080super or 4090
here 7800x3d and 9700x only have a difference of $20 lmao
I am currently in the process of building my first pc and I am stuck on which cpu I should get. I really like this Ryzen 7 9700X one. I will be using my pc for gaming and starting to teach myself coding. I also plan to run virtual machines on it as well. Is this cpu great for these tasks or should I go for the ryzen 9 7900 non-X? It is just that the ryzen 9 7900 non-X is not as good in gaming as the ryzen 7 9700X or the 7700X which is holding me back for about $100 more than the 7700X.
Same here, I am a developer and do some moderate video editing, planning to go ahead with 9700x. In my contry 9700x is $137 cheaper than 7900x.
I hope the 9950x will be good
The 9950X I'm sorry to say isn't as good as I expected at all. AMD enabled Core Parking on the 9950X. On a non 3D-Vache CPU...Core Parking...WHY AMD WHY?!
Just bought a similar build from Digital Storm close build to this… can’t fucking wait!
Can I cool the 9700x with a 90mm dual tower air cooler? Will there be adequate headroom assuming I don't overclock?
What does eco mode look like on this beauty?
8:48 I, 100%, agree with this!
Interesting I see so many people bitching the chips bad and getting horrible benchmark tests in gaming, lol .. seem you know what your doing or just got one that actually worked right.
Linus’s results were similar, and we aren’t the only ones. A lot of mainstream tech press also didn’t complete poop on them. Also our data is free for everyone to look at. It’s pinned as rhe main comment.
@@robeytechLeo from Kitguru has a banger review and he likes it. Scatterbencher is getting great results from overclock/undervolt. He makes these negative reviewers look like the ignorant clickbait they are.
Is 850 watt PSU sufficient for 9700x and RTX4070 ? Is it furure proof, If I want to upgrade the CPU / GPU ?
Yes, a 850 watt PSU is more than sufficient.
@@copyorange Ok. Thanks
Would like to have seen the comparison to the 7800X3D.
We will have that in a future video. Sorry we ran out of time.
@@robeytech Hint, the 7800X3D crushed 9000X. It would be cool to add in a 5000X3D part as well, they managed a few wins while remaining quite relevant on average comparatively. In Final Fantasy XIV 1080p max the 5600X3D beat everything but the 5800X3D and 7800X3D in this game. It was 5 fps faster than the 9700X and over 40 fps faster than all the standard 7000X. AM4 is so crazy good, on its way to over a decade of amazing gaming performance.
I like low TDP chips. Don't want my desktop to be a stove. 😄
what was the ambient temperature near the system???
looks like these are geared more for the oem market for hp/dell workstations... can just slap a 200-300w psu in them without any discreet graphics card and they're suitable for office use. for what they're going for (right now), they're not good value.
Should 1:56-2:06 be how RobeyBot talks or should it be a stilted monotonic robotic voice?
lol, good question!
Feel like this should have been non-X part. Maybe just a naming blunder
My 13600K is running cycles around this CPU at almost half the price LOL
why not use the Mood Case???
This is actually a more extreme test given the fitment of the cooler.
how is that case with the heat of an i5 13th gen? i had trouble with the fractal ridge.
If you turn on stock settings you shouldn't have an issue at all, especially with a good 240mm or 360mm AiO
@@robeytech Thank you. I appreciate it.
1:52 yes sensei.....
If you're going to compare the 65W 9700X to its real predecessor you would need to use the 65W 7700 and forget about the clever naming trick AMD is using here. All the so called efficiency improvement goes right out the window when compared fairly. It also means the 7700 non X was $50 cheaper MSRP and had a free air cooler. This is a 9700 non X being sold as a 9700X.
As always we provide all of our data for you to look at! So if you want more details on the data and see all of our testing for yourself it's available here - 1drv.ms/x/s!AjLCQDvYSJCGit4rLLJkJio4wrareA?e=gw7neh
Do you really have to insult us, speeding up the video?? on the depth part of the content??
We had already covered it in another video, wasn't meant to be an insult.
Poeple are thinking this as a Gaming CPU , which is a wrong way to think
9700x pricing and performance are so bad so it costs like r9 7900/x or 7800x3d and in same time its slower then both
New node, new release. X3D chips are not comparable. The 9 series X3D will undoubtedly be faster, it's low hanging fruit comparison. So is 12 core to 8 core. Do you think that 12 core 9 series will be slower than the 7900X 😂. 9700X uses less power and is faster overall than its predecessor, fact. Use Curve Optimizer with Curve Shaper and its one hell of a good chip. Go watch Scatterbencher to dispell your ignorance.
@@Berserkism r9 7900 use less power then 9700x and its much faster in productivity while same at gaming and costs same too!!
@@Berserkism actually it use 15-25 watt less with 4090 on all power system which are over 450wstt and that is nothing !!infact as i see few videos power usage are pretty close to zen4 cpus or higher then of 7800x3d !!
7700 is also a 65 tdp part and costs way less.
Also performance is worse.
Not worth an upgrade over Ryzen 7000 series. LOL!
Totally agree, but for folks looking at new builds especially SFF there is a solid option here.
@@robeytech Yeah true. The low wattage on the 9700X is a huge plus.
God grief this guy drank the Kool-Aid!
So far he is the Only guy to give this CPU a 'Positive Review' ???
Look there is stuff to appreciate about these chips and for new builders especially in the SFF space this is probably your best option. I hate that liking something for the options it provides just because other people don't and didn't look at it from the same angle is bad. TBH tech is not one size fits all.
@@robeytech Just making an Observation
@@robeytech No one and I mean no one wants to trade performance for efficiency. It's never a good thing otherwise we would all be running Celeron's, and sure a little trade off will be OK in some applications but performance is the driving force behind this discipline, even for space projects.
AMD reduced the current draw on these processors to achieve a desired efficiency at the expense of performance which is not going to sit well in this community, however these processors will perform if the power is increases. Shrinking the process does not mean more efficiency, it's actually the opposite. given the dielectric material that separates these transistors is becoming thinner the voltage must be reduced to keep leakage to a reasonable level.
I believe we have pretty much reached the end of this fab structure and a new method is necessary which Intel is on the forefront of along with TSMC manufacturing.
AMD was not truthful about the performance of these CPU's...
@@Bass.Playerit has performance and efficiency.
stop talking bullshits!!9600x &9700x performance lift over zen4 cpus are basically none existable or 3% if we watch Hardware unboxed which have best and most detailed tests with most of games and excuse how 9700x are very power efficient are crap too considering it consume only 16watt less then 7700x in all power system usage with rtx 4090 so 464 vs 480 on 7700x system
Bencharks are clearly fake. Everyone else in the world has Intel i7 and i9 beating this CPU in every single game, but here EVEN IN CYBERPUNK your AMD is faster. Come on.
Link to benchmarks are in the comments with all the data for you to peruse yourself and we have screenshots of every run on every CPU
And any Intel i7 or Intel i9 is getting chin checked in every game by the AMD 7800X3D.
From an intel guy, I’m looking forward to being an AMD guy for my DAW.
Heres an Intel simp, hate to break it to you but intel is going down fast
@@NickatNight90 Really? Hardware Unboxed: 14700K faster by 1% Vs 9700X. Here this loser shows 9700X being faster by 20%. Who do you believe?
Lmao, still a YES man I see...anything to get paid.
Umm I didn't get paid, and we don't do paid reviews. We also just don't overtly slam things for clicks when there is cool stuff that has been done by the tech.
LOL! AMD fail and all the AMD fanatics are shedding tears.
There is a lot to like about this chip, especially for SFF. But this is why we always say, wait for independent reviews.
Yeap. They love to get excuses for this FLOP 😂😂😂
Thus will make the ryzen 9 look even more impressive nice job lowering the power of the lower chips to make the high end look special
Definitely not a fail. Saving power and heat is important. Look at Intel lol.
@@roguegaming9071 in Asia and Africa we love cooler cpu than hot and high tdp cpu
And there you have it, you're the only person on the planet who is excited for this total flop of a cpu. Yes, you can pay 40% more for a cpu that runs at lower power and no gain in performance over the 7700X (okay maybe 3% +or- depending on title). The only reason I clicked on this video was it had the word "Build" in it, and I thought, "someone's actually going to build with this"? The 7700 and the 7700X are both still a much better deal. I'm building my new machine today with the 7800X3D so I really don't care.
Excited for the SFF potential. To be clear we also said it was only good at one to two core and above 1080p CPUs don’t matter as much (and gaming was impressive). I think you are so used to overly negative reviews that when you find something more balanced it seems insane. There are good things about this chip, is it what the rumors suggested no, but for new builders especially SFF or EU this is a solid option even over the 7800x3D. Also this is why people should wait for independent reviews because 9 times out of 10 reality doesn’t measure up.
Just go with the 7700x or 7700, save money. It's not gonna make a single difference. You guys are hyping up a CPU which is a rebrand of something that it's already there
Not disagreeing, unless you are doing SFF. Then the 9700x is a better choice.
Everything I've seen so far says they are pretty mid at best
It depends on the lenses. As a new builder, especially for SFF and in some ways EU this is a good chip given its heat and efficiency. If you Ryzen 7000 or on more modern hardware there isn't anything that warrants an upgrade or moving away from the 7800x3d.
@robeytech which is kind of a bummer, I wanted these to be good. I am thinking of switching from my 14700k to something that doesn't give Anxiety about if my chip is gonna die. But I will wait and see what the ryzen 9 is going to.deliver
now compare it to the 7800x3D tho...
I have a 5800X3D and considered waiting for this. After getting alot of info on this I realize I wasted time waiting and now will pull trigger on the 7800X3D. Only real CPU power I need is 3D print slicing and gaming. The 9 series are turning out to be a pretty big flop for me.