let me know if I should do a similar style video for the capaldi era. also apologies as always for the delay, this video was a nightmare to get out lol so do me a favour, no cringe comments! hope you enjoy!
Really speaks to your love of Doctor Who that you claim this is in your top three least favourite eras of the show, yet you make a nearly two and a half hour video still defending it and saying there’s still more good than bad. I gotta respect it. In all honesty, just from watching your videos, I think I’m gonna watch Old Who. I started with the new stuff several years ago and really enjoyed it, and despite hearing how good or even better it is compared to New Who, I never bothered watching it. But just with how much you seem to love it, and how much I enjoy your videos, I think I’m gonna give it a shot.
while i didnt really love the chibnall era, it holds some of my favourite episodes. The haunting of villa diodati, the power of the doctor, spyfall, eve of the daleks are all some of my favourite episodes of all time
The 13th Doctor’s theme pulls at my soul and turns me to water. It’s humbly beautiful, benevolently mysterious and expansively majestic. It brings tears to my eyes even more than Murray’s.
its so wild how better it was one rewatch - like leaps and bounds better I think I fell for the good ol 'every current episode is bad' thing that seems to happen loads in the fandom, watching the episode and having my opinion altered by Internet discourse Good video!
One of the best things about the Chibnall era was the way the theme for Gallifrey was introduced, the way the theme for Cybermen was introduced - and the way the cyber lords combined the motifs from the other two themes.
honestly just wanted to say thank you for taking your time to put out a video like this out there. it's so tiring hearing the same thoughtless complaints over and over again everywhere and anywhere there's a mention of this era lmao. the chibnall era obviously isn't perfect but it's difficult to believe the fandom can't find anything to enjoy about it. little side note here, even though 13 and -the fraud- 11 are currently my favourite doctors, you're the only dw youtuber i enjoy listening to on a regular basis, just because of your pure love for doctor who and also you've convinced me to watch classic who as well lol keep up the channel mate, looking forward to more videos
28:19 i CANNOT wait for this reality. like it cannot come any sooner for real. i can already read the tweets saying "why was 13s era so short?? we should have gotten more" and context replies would commence. love this
I think she was a fantastic doctor just with some choices that the fans weren’t 100% a big fan of me included on some of them but nevertheless I can’t deny that her era with the parts that I dislike it’s still a fun watch
Really, really don't like Season 11/12 - but I was fucking loving Flux until the rushed ending, the first two thirds are some of my favourite Doctor Who ever. If we'd gotten a full length, no covid production, it'd be season 4/5 levels of good.
honestly, I really doubt it, I love Doctor Who, im a massive fan, this is my favourite show, but the Chibnal era is weak, I think The Flux season might get that treatment youre talking about because IMO its the strongest part of Chibnal's Who work, Dan gives the show the dynamism that it lacked with the small ammount of characterisation that the "Fam" got.
This video is completely based, it isn’t my favorite era but it is stunning, it has its flaws but people act like other eras don’t have many of those flaws or different flaws all together. I’m sure that, like the Capaldi era, will be treated kindly by time.
I've been going through the 13ths era after watching your re-write video. I will admit I used to be one of those "fans" that blindly hated it without seeing it. I'm almost at the end, I just finished the Flux episodes and I gotta say, she's great! Absolutely have loved it so much more than I ever could have imagined. Is it my favorite? Is it perfect? Both no. But is Jodie a great doctor? Absolutely! There was no doubt in my mind that the person I was watching was the Doctor and Bradley Walsh as Graham was perfect. He genuinely is up there for me for one of the best companions (I haven't watched classic who yet) I'm actually a little upset that it's about to end. I'm never listening to people online about that kind of stuff ever again (except maybe you)
Finally some segue appreciation! All I hear is “the music wasn’t as iconic as Murray gold” and yeah, but the cyber man soundtrack was so insanely good. Like it sends shivers down my spine all the time. And doctor who music doesn’t always need to be iconic to be good.
Banger video as always! I will admit, every time I rewatch the Chibnall era, it grows on me a little more. While I'm personally not *super* crazy about series 11 or 12, I do really enjoy series 13, and totally get why other people love this era! It definitely has its own sort of charm, and felt like a fresh avenue for the show, which is always great!
The Flux is my 2nd fav series, after Moffat's final series. -The Halloween Apocalypse: thrilling bombastic episode-long trailer for the series to come. -War of the Sontarans: A quality blast, with such pleasingly damp visuals. -Once, Upon Time: One of the only pieces of media I've seen that genuinely feels like a dream. The only other one I can think of is The Edge of Destruction. Sensational unique episode. -Village of the Angels: The worst of the series by far. Claire becomes boring, but it consolidates the previously established powers of the angels nicely. Many merits, perfect cliffhanger, but the twist about the old woman/little girl just feels weak. -Survivors of the Flux/The Vanquishers: An abolsute blast. Not the most satisfying conclusion but the ride is a joy.
Okay I’m now 36 minutes into the video and you really put this video out at a great time because I’m currently in Series 11 of my regular Doctor Who rewatch, and I’m strongly considering going straight ahead to Flux and then coming back and picking up where I left off after Demons of the Punjab (which is one of the greatest episodes of Doctor Who ever, I might mention) Then you offhandedly mention “Can You Hear Me?”, and I just have to say: I freaking adore that episode. It’s so bizarre, feels very kind of ‘70s Marvel comic book-esque when all the writers were on drugs and every storyline had a living planet in a trippy alternate dimension. And the monologue explanation near the end was set to actual animation, reminds me strongly of Tegan’s dream sequences from Kinda. It’s so good!
Oh THIS is the video you were talking about getting copyright struck! As a Chibnall era fan, I can’t wait to get a chance to watch it! And since you asked, yes, I’d love for you to do a similar video on the Capaldi era (my favorite Doctor) 🙏
he was like her companion! i love how her, jericho and dan felt like a tardis team, while still maintaining the flat team structure because its whats theyre used to in 13
I feel one of the reasons(atleast for me) to why people prefer murray gold is that the murray gold music is more fitting for doctor who due to the “bombastic(ness)” of it where it’s just over the top unlike segun akinola’s which is a bit chilled back. This doesn’t mean people don’t like some of murray gold’s music or love some of segun akinola’s music. Around about series 5 or 6 onwards there’s usually only 1 song(of similarly sounding songs)that I like whilst the others in that sane series I find a bit filler(y). Some of the songs I love are the heaven sent track or “am I a good man?” music but then others are just kind of boring, and I can’t list them hear because I forgot them. Songs by segun that I like are the master’s them and “she’s the doctor”, especially when we hear “she’s the doctor” in Jodie’s regeneration scene. I’d personally say that her regeneration scene(just by looks atleast) is the best. The way she’s standing on the cliff with the beautiful sunset and regeneration stuff, then the music added on top just makes it even better. Also, I am a flux lover though the ending was really annoying since I was loving it then they just absolutely fell off a cliff in the final episode 😭
I guess I’m just responding to this video as I go, but I’ve always been an advocate for the one episode format. I can think of plenty of favorites (Gridlock, Fires of Pompeii, A Good Man Goes to War, the Girl Who Waited, Mummy on the Orient Express, A Christmas Carol, Thin Ice, and Demons of the Punjab come to mind) where I never thought they needed to be any longer than they were, barring maybe a scene or two.
I know I say this everytime you upload a video, but I really appreciate seeing a UA-camr who gives the Chibnall Era a fair assessment instead of all the "worst era ever/fall of Doctor Who" stuff that is seen on this site so much. Massive kudos to you for that.
Chibnall's era is underrated. Perfect? No. Nothing has topped Lambert or Hinchcliffe yet. But I've found it to be as rewatchable than a lot of other eras.
I'm a huge fan and defender of Flux, and the finale is unironically one of my favourite Doctor Who episodes. The finale is extremely fast-paced and doesn't resolve some things as cleanly as I'd like (if at all, hello "fate of the entire universe"), but it's just an unbridled joy to watch from start to finish in my opinion. Jodie is probably at her best in her entire run; the multiple Jodies interacting with each other is *so much fun* . Having the entire assorted cast come together was kinda iconic. And I honestly think the resolution to varying problems is better than most Doctor Who resolutions, which are almost all varying degrees of pulling a rabbit out of a hat. And I'm probably the one person on the planet who apparently didn't have trouble following along in the final episode; I loved how fast-paced it was and I didn't struggle to keep up. The entire thing was *incredibly* ambitious and daring, introduced the best characters of the Chibnall era, had absolute *banger* individual episodes, had great villains, and constantly kept you on your toes. Like you I also really love Once, Upon Time, for the same reasons you mentioned in the video. I think it might be the most underrated episode of the Chibnall era. Probably the only episode I don't particularly like is episode 5; the entire Yaz/Dan/Jericho subplot is a complete waste of time and there's no real central element propelling it forward. Yes, it's flawed in multiple respects, but Doctor Who is *always* flawed; how much you like an era is probably mostly going to come down to how much the flaws of the era bother you, and I personally find the flaws easy to overlook, in Flux and in the Chibnall era in general. If I had my way, Flux would be the blueprint for Doctor Who going forward. From what little we've seen, series 14 to me looks like a big step backwards, but maybe I'll end up being proven wrong on that front.
coming back during the itv drama section to say i’m very glad you *didn’t* decide to go for the easy targets to make the parts you do like less controversial! i really respect that, far too many people do, and it’s nice to see another unabashed chibnall fan out here :) also, for a show on british tv better than doctor who, inside no. 9. i’ll forever love doctor who but not a single show can beat inside no. 9 for me.
@@dwfan91- technically true but it’s been airing yearly since so it’s as valid as a suggestion as sherlock would’ve been if it was still airing in 2018 😆
commenting this in the first few minutes of the video, so i don’t know where this is going (beyond the title 😅) but as a massive fan of the chibnall era i do hope you don’t fall into the trap of defending your liking of parts of the chibnall era by emphasising ‘this other part is objectively bad and we can all agree’. i really respect your opinion, so i hope you’re above that, but either way i’m excited to see where this goes :)
Ur my fav dr who UA-camr bc ur consistent. I hate talking about the Chibnall era online for the exact things you stated in the video: - people not being consistent with their arguments (such as series 10 good, deffs not woke lol)? - ‘bad writing’ (pls elaborate bc there is an actual argument but nobody can actually formulate it) And just everything else. Thank you for this video, I like the fact you actually like the show 😎☺️
You’re so correct when you talk about how time is kind to controversial eras like this. Public opinion is fleeting and flexible, people genuinely like Terminator Salvation, Star Trek Enterprise, and the Star Wars prequels these days. One day I will see a post calling the X files revival, the new Ghostbusters movies, and Predator 2018 underrated gems, and I will know the wheel rolls unbroken.
8:27 ok i am a murray gold fan for life, he cooks with so many of his scores ... but how am i just now realizing how goofy his saxon master theme sounds? its a bit too sily and less menacing than i would have expected. ofc its still campy and nostalgic, but the threat isnt really there; it feels more cartoony. ive never listened akinola's master theme before and whoa am i shocked! i never realized how bombastic it sounds, you can experience the shock/surprise of the reveal within it, which is insane. will be playing this on loop now 🙏🏽 thank u dwfan91
37:02 it felt kind of rude to not have it be Jo Martin the whole time. like we KNOW thats the doctor already, you dont need to convince us by having it switch back and forth with Jodie. and youre right its mainly because we need more jo martin haha
I like the chibnall era alot, it has its own feeling which I can appreciate. I like to be hopeful but one thing im a little unhopeful about for the new era is the tone. Every new rtd episodes feels like more of the same stuff he was doing years ago, which doesn't really work for me considering the point of bringing on new show runners was to prevent the show getting stale. I would rather have an attempt at something new that misses the mark than a slow, boring retred of well walked ground. W video as always Mr dwfan91 (still waiting on that big finish video)
I will watch this video… First I have to fully watch the chibnall era because I feel it’s only correct that I both refresh myself on episodes I haven’t seen since they aired and actually watch episodes I missed so I can fully appreciate the point of this video. In the mean time, have a comment for the algorithm
One thing I can’t understand is why thasmine was only brought in halfway through eve of the daleks when you’ve got 2 and a bit more episodes left to explore it. If they’d started dropping hints through out flux and then confirmed it at the end of the series, you’d have the 3 episodes to fully delve into it. Maybe in eve they’re really trying to show their love for each other, L*gend of the s*eadevils something goes wrong, power of the doctor, they realise it’s impossible and part ways on good terms. But no it’s just brought up like 3 times, they don’t kiss, nothing happens.. I’m mad
Oh my rewatch, i feel like there are hints in series 12 and 13 before eve of the Daleks. But there’s no dialogue acknowledgement. In the haunting of Villa Diodatti, there’s a moment where Yaz sits on the floor and she’s clearly taking about her feelings for the Doctor. In Flux, it’s not very overt and I only noticed it on rewatch bc of Eve of the Daleks (and episodes after) but the amount she rewatched the hologram and yearns for the Doctor silently seems to be a hint. They’re aren’t very overt/they coulda done way more with it earlier for sure though
Chibnall's "characters" were so paper-thin that people were desperate to imbue them with any kind of traits or personality. Bereft of any ideas of his own, of course Chibnall was going to cave in to pressure from viewers thinking they saw something between the Doctor and Yaz. I admit it was a nice scene between Yaz and Dan in Eve of the Daleks (one of the better episodes of the era)... but after that Yaz's feelings were given token lip service in the (frankly, utterly abysmal) Sea Devil episode until she was unceremoniously dumped in Power of the Doctor. In trying to give any of these characters any interesting traits it was too little, way too late.
This was an amazing video. I had some much fun and i love ur realness and ur saying so much facts, such a great job. But man the part were u talked about Ian… dang u made me cry
I honestly grew to love the Chibnall era after giving it a well-intentioned rewatch and looking for what I enjoyed rather than looking out for the tropes Doctor Who has always got and pretending it's a new issue. So many bangers, and yeah Once, Upon Time was a great episode and I remember how disappointing it was seeing people just be like "wtf was that?" after it ended when I was like "omg that was the most entertaining episode of Flux so far"
Saying this before I actually start the video- as someone who went into the Chibnall era with a lot of optimism, but had it slowly weened away over the course, I’m eager to see the perspective here, and I hope it makes my impending rewatch of the era run smoother.
I can’t watch your videos anymore. The background music fills me with so much nostalgia I can’t think about or enjoy anything else. I played that game all the way through many times as a child
This video hit different when you started talking about Toys R Us and the effects of Entropy. Hit me right where my heart would be if my organs weren't completely displaced.
My main issue with the Chibnell era is I never found myself endured to the characters. I didn’t dislike them, but the emotional connection just wasn’t there. There are things to enjoy but without that connection it doesn’t go very deep.
Okay, finally finished the video (thank you for getting me through my stressful day at work!) and I loved it. Great video. One thing I want to say is that I think there’s something to enjoy in every single modern episode of Doctor Who. Even the bad ones. In Fear Her, we get things like the Doctor parking the Tardis sideways between shipping containers so he can’t get out, and has to re-park it. In Love & Monsters, Ursula is precious, Elton’s just a sweet guy, and the LINDA crew feel so wholesome and cozy. In Nightmare in Silver, I’d say Porridge is one of the best characters in the entire series, and I wish we got to see more of him, just an incredibly likable guy. In Orphan 55, I love the dynamic between Ryan and Bella (who looks fantastic, by the way). In Legend of the Sea Devils, you said it yourself, there was that great scene at the end between Yaz and the Doctor, but I also thought that Dan was just great the whole way through, I loved him wearing the stupid pirate costume, and the one who played Madame Ching did a great job (and also looks fantastic, by the way).
I liked series 11 when I watched it but ended up skipping series 12 and 13. I watched UA-cam videos about them to see what I missed which were generally negative. But when I started watching your videos I went back and actually watched what I missed and ended up liking most of it. Now in hindsight those UA-cam videos I watched say a lot of stuff I don't really get after seeing it myself. I think people can still dislike that era of the show, but I wish disliking it wasn't treated as just the default as much. Actually, reading the critic and audience reviews for Chibnall era episodes on rotten tomatoes is very revealing.
7:16 Ngl I’m not a massive fan of I Am The Doctor but all of the variations are way better to me for some reason. Like, I’ve had A Troubled Man from Series 5 stuck in my head for days.
Name a story. I will be objective as to what worked and what fell flat. Chibnall's era is a mixed bag but it's not as trash as people have said. (Legends of the Sea Devils was good story with some choppy editing. Not a deal breaker. The pting episide wasn't sure of what it wanted to do thanks to in-story inconsistency, sonic screwdriver overuse, and how it "reboots" (technobabble was a semi-recurring problem). But I will defend the pseudohistoricals, for which Chibnall's are generally the best and most innovative of the modern era. I wish more would listen to dwfan91's review of Chibnall's era. DiamandaHagan's as well.
The Doctor being a woman makes a big difference to me. Having a somewhat important character be trans makes a big difference to me. Having Ncuti's Doctor dancing super queerly in a club makes a big difference to me. Having characters of the same demographics as me makes a massive difference. Of course I can relate to characters who aren't much like me... but it is genuinely special and transformative to be able to see myself onscreen, especially when it's a rare thing. Idk how much Jodie being a woman is what makes her my favourite Doctor nowadays, but it's definitely a significant factor. It nourishes my soul.
I just realise something... we got news like, oh new composer for this one. and because of that people will be like "We want Gold!" But then, those who will binge watch it, will be like, don't even realise it's a new composer unless someone mentioned it~ so yeah... The fact that, my favourite episode of Doctor Who, is It Takes You Away... says something... I'm gonna miss the 13th Doctor and her companions, but alas, we moved on again... and that's what Doctor Who is, it's just constant change...
1:18:31 Eve of the Daleks is my MOST WATCHED holiday special which is. insane. but its just so fantastic i dont even know. i might have to make a video talking about it and how much i appreciate every aspect of it. the comedic antics and the characters we get are charming and i love it so much. dan with the daleks, the thasmin relevation, the story with the two people and their personalities, a TIME LOOP storyline!!! idk it just does so many things right for me, a ton. it gave us 2 side characters fully immersed into the narrative and its purpose and the writing/acting of them made me genuinely care about them?? cant say that about most holiday specials characters. but yeah! i might make a video about this one day who knows
The singalong to the sky fall soundtrack was cute 😂 I generally agree tho! I’m just glad that there’s a long form video on UA-cam defending the chibnall’s era when there’s so many disparaging it with the same points copy and pasted throughout the fandom. I was admittedly pretty harsh on 13’s run at first as I generally feel like Doctor who is best when the Doctor and their companion(s) have a strong connection/chemistry with each other and I was disappointed to barely feel that same warmth throughout the era despite having companions who have a lot of potential in the little we got of their personal stories. But as you mentioned there’s still a lot to love! ✨
I really like Jodie as the Doctor she's very comforting. She brings the warmth of the 3rd and 10th Doctor's that I really liked, as well as the playfulness of the 2nd and 11th. If I had to take a guess as to why people say it's "bad writing," I think it's just a difference in writing style. 13 doesn't get big Moffat style speeches like 12, 11, and even 10 did. Also, because of the "flat team structure" She doesn't get as many big bombastic, "I alone am the hero moments" like 9-12 got on occasion. It gives her Doctor a more mellow feel and I think that might be what they're noticing. That, and sometimes the directing was a little off so maybe that's it? Idk.
Honestly I loved this video and it’s inspired me to rewatch this era with a more positive mindset than when it first aired, and I have to say I love your passion for the show and I think you represent the best of the fandom
I agree that there has been a lot of negativity surrounding the Chibnall era. However, upon second viewing, I have noticed that many of the episodes from Season 11, such as Ghost Monument, Rosa, and Demons of Punjab, are very good. Season 12 also has some great episodes, except for Orphan 55 and Praxeus. I think Flux is a great series and I don't know why people dislike it so much. In my opinion, every season of the show got better and I think Flux is the best series that Chibnall made. Although it could have used an extra episode, overall it was fantastic.
The thing I took from Chibnall's era is it is very distinct, for better or for worse. I think though it's nicely distinct. From its visuals, it's storytelling, direction, and music. Is it my era? No. Moffat's era is my cup of tea but there are things I do like about his era and I do own episodes on Amazon that I watch. I recently finished Flux again. An aspect that makes me curious is when history repeats itself, because it will eventually. When RTD and Murray Gold leave again and move on to new projects and a new production team rolls on in will the fandom be difficult or will they be more accepting the second time around. A part of me wants to be optimistic but I suspect it'll be the other way around.
Just started video now before anything watching it I personally like Jodies era it may be because she is my first official doctor when I was fully watching the show every week the excitement never died I still re watch it see I'm 17 now I was 12 ISH when it started she will always be my doctor she is mine and I will always love the episodes still love flux
Not related to this specific video, but I've been binging your channel today because I just found it and like your content. A consistent issue I'm having is that the background music for most of the videos is too loud. It tends to drown out your voice in some cases and distract from your words in others. I think everything else you're doing is great, I just sometimes have to rewind a bit to catch something you said over the music in places.
7:39 this is a very important point that so many people tend to never bring up when discussing the era. how many times has someone rewatched The Eaters of Light, as opposed to Blink? for most, MUCH less, and thats a twelve episode. it makes you forget a lot of the details of the episodes and the music itself as well of course. how can you trust an opinion you have held on for an episode if the last time you watched it was in 2018, when it came out? or even on first watch, if it be a few months ago? having watched something once should not cement your opinion of an era completely, especially if ur memory of it is so foggy.
One of the biggest mistakes of chibs era is the timeless child it would have made made way more sense given how he always comes back and survives and we no little about his past for it to be the master it would explain why the master is mad and evil while keeping the mystery of the doctor intact
Just a note about the male and female characters on the show: While there has almost always been a female companion as a main character, before the revival, they had a real tendency to become damsels in short skirts who needed the Doc to explain everything to them. As one companion actress put it, "They lose all the things that made them unique after a while." Making the Doctor a woman means you've got to work way harder to diminish a female character because she's your lead hero now, not just the supporting character. Also, companions are audience surrogates which creates a temptation to make them flat so the audience can project themselves onto them. You can't make the Doctor flat no matter how hard you try. Edit: As a personal anecdote, while I'll watch a Doctor of any gender, my mom only started watching because the Doctor was a women. Before that, she saw it as a boys show that wasn't for her. Once she saw 13 and loved her, mom was willing to go and watch the previous Doctors and she loved them too, but it took seeing a woman in the lead for her to give it a try.
having rewatched the era i think i agree it was ok, and not bad. however here are some things to note, as soon as u watch it after watching all of rtd and moffats era u can see the change in the filming where the camera points at one person then the doctor then the other person, it may seem jarrying at first but u can get used to it, the second thing you'll notice is damn theres an awful lot of exposition with not much action like it was in the classic era so if you grew up with only modern doctor who u may find yourself not liking this right away or even bored. 3rd lets come to the arcs, the timeless child and the flux, they were written as plot points and we moved on to the next just like arcs that happened before, bad wolf, saxon, and so on. were they written well id say its subjective to the viewer . 4th, the 13th doctor, people either say shes trash or say shes the best, i dont either fits, i think shes an ok doctor , she was written to be more timid and shy less open then others, more struggling to find her voice, now that may be also due to the actress as well idk all i know is when the hunting of villa diodati happened and i saw her get actually mad for once and express that she as the doctor sees things more from a mountain perspective i immedatly thought wow wish we could have more of that kind of writing that was awesome. overall era not bad but there are things that could of made it really good. overall people need to separate their political beliefs with tv shows and movies. not everything u see in one is gonna align with your views and thats a good thing but one line of dialogue here and there doesnt have to spoil the whole thing for said person if they dont let it.
Took me a day and a half to finish due to school and stuff but i love hearing other’s thoughts on doctor who and you’re videos are so perfect for me to see the show from different points of views #fluxer
If people who find Flux confusing or convoluted, which to be fair it is slightly due to having so many moving plot points and events in just six episodes, then I hope they're prepared if they ever watch ghost light. I'm saying this as someone who enjoys both stories by the way.
im glad you immediately started with a defense of segun akinola. murray gold is a legend and a huge inspiration to me but his music is very Blockbuster Film Score. im not a fan of the chibnall era in general, but i always thought akinola's music was fitting for the tone that it takes, not to mention 13's opening title theme is one of the best the series has had
I feel like every time i think of the chibnall era the overlapping "for flux you need a parti- a real particular ta- just a particular taste" plays in my head
As a relatively new fan of doctor who, opposing opinions on doctor who is a part of the fandom I really enjoy . I’ve been in fandoms in the past where headcanons, episode likes, and dislikes have had a sorta ‘fandom consensus TM’ label on them. Therefore, having opposing ideas or criticisms felt a bit taboo. I like the ability of doctor who fans to have their own opinions, have their own reasonings, and enjoy the show in their own way. It makes me feel like I’m able to enjoy the show in my own way too. Additionally, I like that doctor who fans are able to give the show criticism. I enjoy being able to watch videos like this one and hear different ideas than what I might be used to. It’s really gotten me out of the mindset that I need to watch shows that are ‘good’ either morally or in quality. Every era of doctor who has its ups and downs and I’m able to enjoy or critique them in my own way. I’ve been wanting to watch a video like this for a while, not because I’m particularly a chibnall era fan, but because I enjoy hearing the other side of things. So thanks for making this 👍
Only just got through the music section, but as someone who isn't as fond of this era, I'd like to leave my honest experience with its music. Sorry if it's a little long or rambly, more of a stream of consciousness lol Standing by themselves, there's a good handful of Segun's themes that are not just good, but fantastic. Many here have said, and it's been proven in the video, that his Master theme kinda puts Murray's to shame, and fits Dhawan's Master very well. The Doctor's theme really evokes this kind of tender watchfulness and wonder that I think works well for the overall character of The Doctor. And I remember getting hit by the new opening theme for the first time and thinking "damn this feels cool." But upon rewatching some of the scenes where these great themes were used, for me personally, the tracks don't fit as well. The Dalek theme feels more like it was written for an action movie than to represent an overwhelmingly powerful genocidal alien race. The Doctor's theme would be far better if it felt like it fit 13's character better, but being that's she's characterized as often being accidentally careless, a bit spastic, and a consistent force for change, I'd have liked to hear those themes explored more in her theme. I don't want to jerk Murray off here because occasionally he drops something that doesn't to what it should, but I feel like I Am the Doctor is the pinnacle of this, because it feels so 11th Doctor that it's hard to hear it played for any other incarnation. I think a lot of people criticize Segun being more "ambient" or :atmospheric" because a lot of his tracks, especially in series 11, lean toward more consistent, drawn out tones to set a main theme, with a simpler beat/build up for scenes where the tension rises. They're simple, they're not there to carry a scene like Murray's were. And for me, in scenes where I wasn't exactly invested in the characters, the music made it feel more empty. Doctor Who under Murray Gold felt like a story where I was told exactly who and what a character or scene was through the score, and under Segun it feels more akin to being lightly guided there but ultimately left to answer some of those questions myself. And that's really weird to me, because on the flipside, it felt like when non-character, situational tracks were used, especially during speeches or important moments, they were used to heighten the drama or feel, and because I often wasn't invested in the drama that had been set up, they felt more as if they were trying to manipulate me into feeling a certain way without the actual scene really doing the same. I'd be curious to hear how the soundtrack worked from someone who was more invested in the characters from the beginning. I definitely plan on going back to rewatch series 11-13 to see if I still feel this way.
And yes im a FLUXER i FLUXING love the FLUX so so much not nust for Dan and Karvanista...but Whittaker is peak here, Gill elevated herself too...the thrwats , the arcs, the twists, the directoon just ....its peak
38:54 this is one of my favorite scenes because each time (ba dum tiss) i hear it i am so confused. like this is where the confusion really boosts for me for all of flux like this is the pinpointed dialogue for me as to when i start going 🤷🏽❓️
let me know if I should do a similar style video for the capaldi era. also apologies as always for the delay, this video was a nightmare to get out lol so do me a favour, no cringe comments! hope you enjoy!
I AM STARING AT YOU WITH INTENT 👁👁
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Yay, Capaldi pwease!!! 😢
We need the ultimate Daddy Who!!!
Yes, do it more videos like that one, and don't you worry about the delay, we could wait 10 years
I love the Capuldi era! Pls do one!
Nothing quite hits like ALL THREE modern who showrunners smiling, laughing, and saying they made it all up
Also I love that they outright admit it's their fan fic.
Really speaks to your love of Doctor Who that you claim this is in your top three least favourite eras of the show, yet you make a nearly two and a half hour video still defending it and saying there’s still more good than bad. I gotta respect it. In all honesty, just from watching your videos, I think I’m gonna watch Old Who. I started with the new stuff several years ago and really enjoyed it, and despite hearing how good or even better it is compared to New Who, I never bothered watching it. But just with how much you seem to love it, and how much I enjoy your videos, I think I’m gonna give it a shot.
W, massive W
I'm from the future, and personally i love the dwfan91 era of the show
The HarryButHarry era was better
@@TheArchieTheory It was decent but I prefer TheArchieTheory era
while i didnt really love the chibnall era, it holds some of my favourite episodes. The haunting of villa diodati, the power of the doctor, spyfall, eve of the daleks are all some of my favourite episodes of all time
The 13th Doctor’s theme pulls at my soul and turns me to water. It’s humbly beautiful, benevolently mysterious and expansively majestic. It brings tears to my eyes even more than Murray’s.
its so wild how better it was one rewatch - like leaps and bounds better
I think I fell for the good ol 'every current episode is bad' thing that seems to happen loads in the fandom, watching the episode and having my opinion altered by Internet discourse
Good video!
I found the exact same-and all the characters have decent arcs when viewed as a whole too
One of the best things about the Chibnall era was the way the theme for Gallifrey was introduced, the way the theme for Cybermen was introduced - and the way the cyber lords combined the motifs from the other two themes.
honestly just wanted to say thank you for taking your time to put out a video like this out there. it's so tiring hearing the same thoughtless complaints over and over again everywhere and anywhere there's a mention of this era lmao. the chibnall era obviously isn't perfect but it's difficult to believe the fandom can't find anything to enjoy about it.
little side note here, even though 13 and -the fraud- 11 are currently my favourite doctors, you're the only dw youtuber i enjoy listening to on a regular basis, just because of your pure love for doctor who and also you've convinced me to watch classic who as well lol keep up the channel mate, looking forward to more videos
28:19 i CANNOT wait for this reality. like it cannot come any sooner for real. i can already read the tweets saying "why was 13s era so short?? we should have gotten more" and context replies would commence. love this
I think she was a fantastic doctor just with some choices that the fans weren’t 100% a big fan of me included on some of them but nevertheless I can’t deny that her era with the parts that I dislike it’s still a fun watch
Really, really don't like Season 11/12 - but I was fucking loving Flux until the rushed ending, the first two thirds are some of my favourite Doctor Who ever. If we'd gotten a full length, no covid production, it'd be season 4/5 levels of good.
honestly, I really doubt it, I love Doctor Who, im a massive fan, this is my favourite show, but the Chibnal era is weak, I think The Flux season might get that treatment youre talking about because IMO its the strongest part of Chibnal's Who work, Dan gives the show the dynamism that it lacked with the small ammount of characterisation that the "Fam" got.
@@merryharrypop chibnall's era ended in 2022. its 2024. give it more years, it will happen
@@andrealiee it *might*, but not as much as the Capaldi era had it’s deserved renaissance
0:00 I love that you started the video that way, as if you knew they were gonna attack you.
the evil dan meme with the spymaster music in itself is a testimony to Segun's great work
5:24 love this mini edit you put here man, goes hard
This video is completely based, it isn’t my favorite era but it is stunning, it has its flaws but people act like other eras don’t have many of those flaws or different flaws all together. I’m sure that, like the Capaldi era, will be treated kindly by time.
I've been going through the 13ths era after watching your re-write video. I will admit I used to be one of those "fans" that blindly hated it without seeing it. I'm almost at the end, I just finished the Flux episodes and I gotta say, she's great! Absolutely have loved it so much more than I ever could have imagined. Is it my favorite? Is it perfect? Both no. But is Jodie a great doctor? Absolutely! There was no doubt in my mind that the person I was watching was the Doctor and Bradley Walsh as Graham was perfect. He genuinely is up there for me for one of the best companions (I haven't watched classic who yet) I'm actually a little upset that it's about to end. I'm never listening to people online about that kind of stuff ever again (except maybe you)
Finally some segue appreciation! All I hear is “the music wasn’t as iconic as Murray gold” and yeah, but the cyber man soundtrack was so insanely good. Like it sends shivers down my spine all the time. And doctor who music doesn’t always need to be iconic to be good.
the evil dan meme with the spymaster music in itself is a testimony to Segun's great work
fantastic edits man. I really like the cibnall era music. that doctor theme hits hard
Banger video as always! I will admit, every time I rewatch the Chibnall era, it grows on me a little more. While I'm personally not *super* crazy about series 11 or 12, I do really enjoy series 13, and totally get why other people love this era! It definitely has its own sort of charm, and felt like a fresh avenue for the show, which is always great!
Oh I have been waiting for this day for years
The Flux is my 2nd fav series, after Moffat's final series.
-The Halloween Apocalypse: thrilling bombastic episode-long trailer for the series to come.
-War of the Sontarans: A quality blast, with such pleasingly damp visuals.
-Once, Upon Time: One of the only pieces of media I've seen that genuinely feels like a dream. The only other one I can think of is The Edge of Destruction. Sensational unique episode.
-Village of the Angels: The worst of the series by far. Claire becomes boring, but it consolidates the previously established powers of the angels nicely. Many merits, perfect cliffhanger, but the twist about the old woman/little girl just feels weak.
-Survivors of the Flux/The Vanquishers: An abolsute blast. Not the most satisfying conclusion but the ride is a joy.
I'm a proud Fluxer too. I enjoyed it so much that it made me want to watch classic Who.
Okay I’m now 36 minutes into the video and you really put this video out at a great time because I’m currently in Series 11 of my regular Doctor Who rewatch, and I’m strongly considering going straight ahead to Flux and then coming back and picking up where I left off after Demons of the Punjab (which is one of the greatest episodes of Doctor Who ever, I might mention)
Then you offhandedly mention “Can You Hear Me?”, and I just have to say: I freaking adore that episode. It’s so bizarre, feels very kind of ‘70s Marvel comic book-esque when all the writers were on drugs and every storyline had a living planet in a trippy alternate dimension. And the monologue explanation near the end was set to actual animation, reminds me strongly of Tegan’s dream sequences from Kinda. It’s so good!
29:08 "i prefer the dwfan91 era in 2048"
Oh THIS is the video you were talking about getting copyright struck! As a Chibnall era fan, I can’t wait to get a chance to watch it! And since you asked, yes, I’d love for you to do a similar video on the Capaldi era (my favorite Doctor) 🙏
it’s truly criminal we didn’t get more dan. i especially liked his relationship w yaz :-( i hope he gets the opportunity to come back
he was like her companion! i love how her, jericho and dan felt like a tardis team, while still maintaining the flat team structure because its whats theyre used to in 13
I feel one of the reasons(atleast for me) to why people prefer murray gold is that the murray gold music is more fitting for doctor who due to the “bombastic(ness)” of it where it’s just over the top unlike segun akinola’s which is a bit chilled back.
This doesn’t mean people don’t like some of murray gold’s music or love some of segun akinola’s music. Around about series 5 or 6 onwards there’s usually only 1 song(of similarly sounding songs)that I like whilst the others in that sane series I find a bit filler(y). Some of the songs I love are the heaven sent track or “am I a good man?” music but then others are just kind of boring, and I can’t list them hear because I forgot them. Songs by segun that I like are the master’s them and “she’s the doctor”, especially when we hear “she’s the doctor” in Jodie’s regeneration scene. I’d personally say that her regeneration scene(just by looks atleast) is the best. The way she’s standing on the cliff with the beautiful sunset and regeneration stuff, then the music added on top just makes it even better.
Also, I am a flux lover though the ending was really annoying since I was loving it then they just absolutely fell off a cliff in the final episode 😭
I guess I’m just responding to this video as I go, but I’ve always been an advocate for the one episode format. I can think of plenty of favorites (Gridlock, Fires of Pompeii, A Good Man Goes to War, the Girl Who Waited, Mummy on the Orient Express, A Christmas Carol, Thin Ice, and Demons of the Punjab come to mind) where I never thought they needed to be any longer than they were, barring maybe a scene or two.
I know I say this everytime you upload a video, but I really appreciate seeing a UA-camr who gives the Chibnall Era a fair assessment instead of all the "worst era ever/fall of Doctor Who" stuff that is seen on this site so much. Massive kudos to you for that.
Finally! Someone that also enjoys the Chibnall era! Seires 13 is golden.
I think chibnall era better than moffat era (still both era are good)
@@A_GEEK_PERSON agreed
@A_GEEK_PERSON Series 7-9 were horrible, everything else in his era was golden
Chibnall's era is underrated. Perfect? No. Nothing has topped Lambert or Hinchcliffe yet. But I've found it to be as rewatchable than a lot of other eras.
Let’s hope this video doesn’t get nuked by the UA-cam system again…and again…
third times the charm🙏
I'm a huge fan and defender of Flux, and the finale is unironically one of my favourite Doctor Who episodes. The finale is extremely fast-paced and doesn't resolve some things as cleanly as I'd like (if at all, hello "fate of the entire universe"), but it's just an unbridled joy to watch from start to finish in my opinion. Jodie is probably at her best in her entire run; the multiple Jodies interacting with each other is *so much fun* . Having the entire assorted cast come together was kinda iconic. And I honestly think the resolution to varying problems is better than most Doctor Who resolutions, which are almost all varying degrees of pulling a rabbit out of a hat. And I'm probably the one person on the planet who apparently didn't have trouble following along in the final episode; I loved how fast-paced it was and I didn't struggle to keep up.
The entire thing was *incredibly* ambitious and daring, introduced the best characters of the Chibnall era, had absolute *banger* individual episodes, had great villains, and constantly kept you on your toes. Like you I also really love Once, Upon Time, for the same reasons you mentioned in the video. I think it might be the most underrated episode of the Chibnall era. Probably the only episode I don't particularly like is episode 5; the entire Yaz/Dan/Jericho subplot is a complete waste of time and there's no real central element propelling it forward.
Yes, it's flawed in multiple respects, but Doctor Who is *always* flawed; how much you like an era is probably mostly going to come down to how much the flaws of the era bother you, and I personally find the flaws easy to overlook, in Flux and in the Chibnall era in general. If I had my way, Flux would be the blueprint for Doctor Who going forward. From what little we've seen, series 14 to me looks like a big step backwards, but maybe I'll end up being proven wrong on that front.
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coming back during the itv drama section to say i’m very glad you *didn’t* decide to go for the easy targets to make the parts you do like less controversial! i really respect that, far too many people do, and it’s nice to see another unabashed chibnall fan out here :)
also, for a show on british tv better than doctor who, inside no. 9. i’ll forever love doctor who but not a single show can beat inside no. 9 for me.
ooh i might have to check it out- tbf though that came out in 2014
@@dwfan91- technically true but it’s been airing yearly since so it’s as valid as a suggestion as sherlock would’ve been if it was still airing in 2018 😆
commenting this in the first few minutes of the video, so i don’t know where this is going (beyond the title 😅) but as a massive fan of the chibnall era i do hope you don’t fall into the trap of defending your liking of parts of the chibnall era by emphasising ‘this other part is objectively bad and we can all agree’. i really respect your opinion, so i hope you’re above that, but either way i’m excited to see where this goes :)
Ur my fav dr who UA-camr bc ur consistent. I hate talking about the Chibnall era online for the exact things you stated in the video:
- people not being consistent with their arguments (such as series 10 good, deffs not woke lol)?
- ‘bad writing’ (pls elaborate bc there is an actual argument but nobody can actually formulate it)
And just everything else. Thank you for this video, I like the fact you actually like the show 😎☺️
You’re right, our boy chibbers loves a BEAT, bro MIGHT have a passion for percussion.
You’re so correct when you talk about how time is kind to controversial eras like this. Public opinion is fleeting and flexible, people genuinely like Terminator Salvation, Star Trek Enterprise, and the Star Wars prequels these days. One day I will see a post calling the X files revival, the new Ghostbusters movies, and Predator 2018 underrated gems, and I will know the wheel rolls unbroken.
2 and a half hours of dwfan91 content!? it's an amazing day.
8:27 ok i am a murray gold fan for life, he cooks with so many of his scores ... but how am i just now realizing how goofy his saxon master theme sounds? its a bit too sily and less menacing than i would have expected. ofc its still campy and nostalgic, but the threat isnt really there; it feels more cartoony. ive never listened akinola's master theme before and whoa am i shocked! i never realized how bombastic it sounds, you can experience the shock/surprise of the reveal within it, which is insane. will be playing this on loop now 🙏🏽 thank u dwfan91
Yeah he missed hard with the Saxon master theme 😂
im defo a murray gold fan over all too but damn segun cooked with his master theme and ESP that cyberman theme 😤
@@sxsanyu cyberman theme goes HAAARDDD
37:02 it felt kind of rude to not have it be Jo Martin the whole time. like we KNOW thats the doctor already, you dont need to convince us by having it switch back and forth with Jodie. and youre right its mainly because we need more jo martin haha
I like the chibnall era alot, it has its own feeling which I can appreciate. I like to be hopeful but one thing im a little unhopeful about for the new era is the tone. Every new rtd episodes feels like more of the same stuff he was doing years ago, which doesn't really work for me considering the point of bringing on new show runners was to prevent the show getting stale. I would rather have an attempt at something new that misses the mark than a slow, boring retred of well walked ground. W video as always Mr dwfan91 (still waiting on that big finish video)
I will watch this video…
First I have to fully watch the chibnall era because I feel it’s only correct that I both refresh myself on episodes I haven’t seen since they aired and actually watch episodes I missed so I can fully appreciate the point of this video.
In the mean time, have a comment for the algorithm
thank you :)
One thing I can’t understand is why thasmine was only brought in halfway through eve of the daleks when you’ve got 2 and a bit more episodes left to explore it.
If they’d started dropping hints through out flux and then confirmed it at the end of the series, you’d have the 3 episodes to fully delve into it.
Maybe in eve they’re really trying to show their love for each other, L*gend of the s*eadevils something goes wrong, power of the doctor, they realise it’s impossible and part ways on good terms.
But no it’s just brought up like 3 times, they don’t kiss, nothing happens.. I’m mad
Oh my rewatch, i feel like there are hints in series 12 and 13 before eve of the Daleks. But there’s no dialogue acknowledgement. In the haunting of Villa Diodatti, there’s a moment where Yaz sits on the floor and she’s clearly taking about her feelings for the Doctor.
In Flux, it’s not very overt and I only noticed it on rewatch bc of Eve of the Daleks (and episodes after) but the amount she rewatched the hologram and yearns for the Doctor silently seems to be a hint. They’re aren’t very overt/they coulda done way more with it earlier for sure though
@@teenytv5194 I think that that’s just hindsight speaking, I’m pretty sure chibnall said he hadn’t even considered it until eve of the daleks
Chibnall's "characters" were so paper-thin that people were desperate to imbue them with any kind of traits or personality. Bereft of any ideas of his own, of course Chibnall was going to cave in to pressure from viewers thinking they saw something between the Doctor and Yaz. I admit it was a nice scene between Yaz and Dan in Eve of the Daleks (one of the better episodes of the era)... but after that Yaz's feelings were given token lip service in the (frankly, utterly abysmal) Sea Devil episode until she was unceremoniously dumped in Power of the Doctor. In trying to give any of these characters any interesting traits it was too little, way too late.
that scene in the tardis at the end where she apologizes to yaz is literally peak yuri
This was an amazing video. I had some much fun and i love ur realness and ur saying so much facts, such a great job.
But man the part were u talked about Ian… dang u made me cry
I honestly grew to love the Chibnall era after giving it a well-intentioned rewatch and looking for what I enjoyed rather than looking out for the tropes Doctor Who has always got and pretending it's a new issue. So many bangers, and yeah Once, Upon Time was a great episode and I remember how disappointing it was seeing people just be like "wtf was that?" after it ended when I was like "omg that was the most entertaining episode of Flux so far"
Saying this before I actually start the video- as someone who went into the Chibnall era with a lot of optimism, but had it slowly weened away over the course, I’m eager to see the perspective here, and I hope it makes my impending rewatch of the era run smoother.
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I can’t watch your videos anymore. The background music fills me with so much nostalgia I can’t think about or enjoy anything else. I played that game all the way through many times as a child
I BEEN PRAYIN FOR TIMES LIKE THESE MAN 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
IT’S BACK UP LETS GOOO
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Lets go one of the reuploads of all time! (Hope this one doesnt get screwed over)
WE ARE SO BACK
Bro I have been doing the “David tennant saying that line” for ages too honestly, I deploy that one often.
COUNTLESS scenes too
This video hit different when you started talking about Toys R Us and the effects of Entropy. Hit me right where my heart would be if my organs weren't completely displaced.
The Dalek Trilogy, It Takes You Away, and Can You Hear Me? are some of my all time personal faves
My main issue with the Chibnell era is I never found myself endured to the characters. I didn’t dislike them, but the emotional connection just wasn’t there. There are things to enjoy but without that connection it doesn’t go very deep.
Thank you for the birthday gift in the form of a 2+ hour dwfan91 video.
happy birthday!!
Happy Birthday!
Okay, finally finished the video (thank you for getting me through my stressful day at work!) and I loved it. Great video.
One thing I want to say is that I think there’s something to enjoy in every single modern episode of Doctor Who. Even the bad ones. In Fear Her, we get things like the Doctor parking the Tardis sideways between shipping containers so he can’t get out, and has to re-park it. In Love & Monsters, Ursula is precious, Elton’s just a sweet guy, and the LINDA crew feel so wholesome and cozy. In Nightmare in Silver, I’d say Porridge is one of the best characters in the entire series, and I wish we got to see more of him, just an incredibly likable guy. In Orphan 55, I love the dynamic between Ryan and Bella (who looks fantastic, by the way). In Legend of the Sea Devils, you said it yourself, there was that great scene at the end between Yaz and the Doctor, but I also thought that Dan was just great the whole way through, I loved him wearing the stupid pirate costume, and the one who played Madame Ching did a great job (and also looks fantastic, by the way).
I liked series 11 when I watched it but ended up skipping series 12 and 13. I watched UA-cam videos about them to see what I missed which were generally negative. But when I started watching your videos I went back and actually watched what I missed and ended up liking most of it. Now in hindsight those UA-cam videos I watched say a lot of stuff I don't really get after seeing it myself. I think people can still dislike that era of the show, but I wish disliking it wasn't treated as just the default as much. Actually, reading the critic and audience reviews for Chibnall era episodes on rotten tomatoes is very revealing.
7:16 Ngl I’m not a massive fan of I Am The Doctor but all of the variations are way better to me for some reason. Like, I’ve had A Troubled Man from Series 5 stuck in my head for days.
You are totally right in your Bad Writing observation. I love actually asking fans what it is that's so bad about it. I almost always get crickets.
Name a story. I will be objective as to what worked and what fell flat. Chibnall's era is a mixed bag but it's not as trash as people have said. (Legends of the Sea Devils was good story with some choppy editing. Not a deal breaker. The pting episide wasn't sure of what it wanted to do thanks to in-story inconsistency, sonic screwdriver overuse, and how it "reboots" (technobabble was a semi-recurring problem). But I will defend the pseudohistoricals, for which Chibnall's are generally the best and most innovative of the modern era.
I wish more would listen to dwfan91's review of Chibnall's era. DiamandaHagan's as well.
The Doctor being a woman makes a big difference to me.
Having a somewhat important character be trans makes a big difference to me.
Having Ncuti's Doctor dancing super queerly in a club makes a big difference to me.
Having characters of the same demographics as me makes a massive difference.
Of course I can relate to characters who aren't much like me... but it is genuinely special and transformative to be able to see myself onscreen, especially when it's a rare thing.
Idk how much Jodie being a woman is what makes her my favourite Doctor nowadays, but it's definitely a significant factor. It nourishes my soul.
I just realise something... we got news like, oh new composer for this one. and because of that people will be like "We want Gold!"
But then, those who will binge watch it, will be like, don't even realise it's a new composer unless someone mentioned it~ so yeah...
The fact that, my favourite episode of Doctor Who, is It Takes You Away... says something...
I'm gonna miss the 13th Doctor and her companions, but alas, we moved on again... and that's what Doctor Who is, it's just constant change...
I got to watch The Woman Who Fell to Earth in theaters when it came out, and it was such a magical experience
1:18:31 Eve of the Daleks is my MOST WATCHED holiday special which is. insane. but its just so fantastic i dont even know. i might have to make a video talking about it and how much i appreciate every aspect of it. the comedic antics and the characters we get are charming and i love it so much. dan with the daleks, the thasmin relevation, the story with the two people and their personalities, a TIME LOOP storyline!!! idk it just does so many things right for me, a ton. it gave us 2 side characters fully immersed into the narrative and its purpose and the writing/acting of them made me genuinely care about them?? cant say that about most holiday specials characters. but yeah! i might make a video about this one day who knows
The singalong to the sky fall soundtrack was cute 😂
I generally agree tho! I’m just glad that there’s a long form video on UA-cam defending the chibnall’s era when there’s so many disparaging it with the same points copy and pasted throughout the fandom.
I was admittedly pretty harsh on 13’s run at first as I generally feel like Doctor who is best when the Doctor and their companion(s) have a strong connection/chemistry with each other and I was disappointed to barely feel that same warmth throughout the era despite having companions who have a lot of potential in the little we got of their personal stories.
But as you mentioned there’s still a lot to love! ✨
I really like Jodie as the Doctor she's very comforting. She brings the warmth of the 3rd and 10th Doctor's that I really liked, as well as the playfulness of the 2nd and 11th.
If I had to take a guess as to why people say it's "bad writing," I think it's just a difference in writing style. 13 doesn't get big Moffat style speeches like 12, 11, and even 10 did. Also, because of the "flat team structure" She doesn't get as many big bombastic, "I alone am the hero moments" like 9-12 got on occasion. It gives her Doctor a more mellow feel and I think that might be what they're noticing. That, and sometimes the directing was a little off so maybe that's it? Idk.
Honestly I loved this video and it’s inspired me to rewatch this era with a more positive mindset than when it first aired, and I have to say I love your passion for the show and I think you represent the best of the fandom
I agree that there has been a lot of negativity surrounding the Chibnall era. However, upon second viewing, I have noticed that many of the episodes from Season 11, such as Ghost Monument, Rosa, and Demons of Punjab, are very good. Season 12 also has some great episodes, except for Orphan 55 and Praxeus. I think Flux is a great series and I don't know why people dislike it so much. In my opinion, every season of the show got better and I think Flux is the best series that Chibnall made. Although it could have used an extra episode, overall it was fantastic.
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The thing I took from Chibnall's era is it is very distinct, for better or for worse. I think though it's nicely distinct. From its visuals, it's storytelling, direction, and music. Is it my era? No. Moffat's era is my cup of tea but there are things I do like about his era and I do own episodes on Amazon that I watch. I recently finished Flux again.
An aspect that makes me curious is when history repeats itself, because it will eventually. When RTD and Murray Gold leave again and move on to new projects and a new production team rolls on in will the fandom be difficult or will they be more accepting the second time around. A part of me wants to be optimistic but I suspect it'll be the other way around.
The pier head line killed me the first time I heard it. Thanks for reminding me of that one
Just started video now before anything watching it I personally like Jodies era it may be because she is my first official doctor when I was fully watching the show every week the excitement never died I still re watch it see I'm 17 now I was 12 ISH when it started she will always be my doctor she is mine and I will always love the episodes still love flux
Not related to this specific video, but I've been binging your channel today because I just found it and like your content. A consistent issue I'm having is that the background music for most of the videos is too loud. It tends to drown out your voice in some cases and distract from your words in others. I think everything else you're doing is great, I just sometimes have to rewind a bit to catch something you said over the music in places.
7:39 this is a very important point that so many people tend to never bring up when discussing the era. how many times has someone rewatched The Eaters of Light, as opposed to Blink? for most, MUCH less, and thats a twelve episode. it makes you forget a lot of the details of the episodes and the music itself as well of course. how can you trust an opinion you have held on for an episode if the last time you watched it was in 2018, when it came out? or even on first watch, if it be a few months ago? having watched something once should not cement your opinion of an era completely, especially if ur memory of it is so foggy.
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One of the biggest mistakes of chibs era is the timeless child it would have made made way more sense given how he always comes back and survives and we no little about his past for it to be the master it would explain why the master is mad and evil while keeping the mystery of the doctor intact
Definitely not just watching for the lego dimensions gameplay in the background
Just a note about the male and female characters on the show: While there has almost always been a female companion as a main character, before the revival, they had a real tendency to become damsels in short skirts who needed the Doc to explain everything to them. As one companion actress put it, "They lose all the things that made them unique after a while." Making the Doctor a woman means you've got to work way harder to diminish a female character because she's your lead hero now, not just the supporting character. Also, companions are audience surrogates which creates a temptation to make them flat so the audience can project themselves onto them. You can't make the Doctor flat no matter how hard you try.
Edit: As a personal anecdote, while I'll watch a Doctor of any gender, my mom only started watching because the Doctor was a women. Before that, she saw it as a boys show that wasn't for her. Once she saw 13 and loved her, mom was willing to go and watch the previous Doctors and she loved them too, but it took seeing a woman in the lead for her to give it a try.
having rewatched the era i think i agree it was ok, and not bad. however here are some things to note, as soon as u watch it after watching all of rtd and moffats era u can see the change in the filming where the camera points at one person then the doctor then the other person, it may seem jarrying at first but u can get used to it, the second thing you'll notice is damn theres an awful lot of exposition with not much action like it was in the classic era so if you grew up with only modern doctor who u may find yourself not liking this right away or even bored. 3rd lets come to the arcs, the timeless child and the flux, they were written as plot points and we moved on to the next just like arcs that happened before, bad wolf, saxon, and so on. were they written well id say its subjective to the viewer . 4th, the 13th doctor, people either say shes trash or say shes the best, i dont either fits, i think shes an ok doctor , she was written to be more timid and shy less open then others, more struggling to find her voice, now that may be also due to the actress as well idk all i know is when the hunting of villa diodati happened and i saw her get actually mad for once and express that she as the doctor sees things more from a mountain perspective i immedatly thought wow wish we could have more of that kind of writing that was awesome. overall era not bad but there are things that could of made it really good. overall people need to separate their political beliefs with tv shows and movies. not everything u see in one is gonna align with your views and thats a good thing but one line of dialogue here and there doesnt have to spoil the whole thing for said person if they dont let it.
Your use of fnaf music is bringing me so much serotonin!
Took me a day and a half to finish due to school and stuff but i love hearing other’s thoughts on doctor who and you’re videos are so perfect for me to see the show from different points of views #fluxer
If people who find Flux confusing or convoluted, which to be fair it is slightly due to having so many moving plot points and events in just six episodes, then I hope they're prepared if they ever watch ghost light. I'm saying this as someone who enjoys both stories by the way.
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YES! I love the Spyfall theme!
I genuinely wonder if/how people’s feeling about the era would change if you re-scored it with Murray Gold tracks.
im glad you immediately started with a defense of segun akinola. murray gold is a legend and a huge inspiration to me but his music is very Blockbuster Film Score. im not a fan of the chibnall era in general, but i always thought akinola's music was fitting for the tone that it takes, not to mention 13's opening title theme is one of the best the series has had
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I agree, its really good.
Anyway I shall now watch and edit upon finishing haha
I feel like every time i think of the chibnall era the overlapping "for flux you need a parti- a real particular ta- just a particular taste" plays in my head
As a relatively new fan of doctor who, opposing opinions on doctor who is a part of the fandom I really enjoy . I’ve been in fandoms in the past where headcanons, episode likes, and dislikes have had a sorta ‘fandom consensus TM’ label on them. Therefore, having opposing ideas or criticisms felt a bit taboo. I like the ability of doctor who fans to have their own opinions, have their own reasonings, and enjoy the show in their own way. It makes me feel like I’m able to enjoy the show in my own way too.
Additionally, I like that doctor who fans are able to give the show criticism. I enjoy being able to watch videos like this one and hear different ideas than what I might be used to. It’s really gotten me out of the mindset that I need to watch shows that are ‘good’ either morally or in quality. Every era of doctor who has its ups and downs and I’m able to enjoy or critique them in my own way.
I’ve been wanting to watch a video like this for a while, not because I’m particularly a chibnall era fan, but because I enjoy hearing the other side of things. So thanks for making this 👍
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Only just got through the music section, but as someone who isn't as fond of this era, I'd like to leave my honest experience with its music. Sorry if it's a little long or rambly, more of a stream of consciousness lol
Standing by themselves, there's a good handful of Segun's themes that are not just good, but fantastic. Many here have said, and it's been proven in the video, that his Master theme kinda puts Murray's to shame, and fits Dhawan's Master very well. The Doctor's theme really evokes this kind of tender watchfulness and wonder that I think works well for the overall character of The Doctor. And I remember getting hit by the new opening theme for the first time and thinking "damn this feels cool."
But upon rewatching some of the scenes where these great themes were used, for me personally, the tracks don't fit as well. The Dalek theme feels more like it was written for an action movie than to represent an overwhelmingly powerful genocidal alien race. The Doctor's theme would be far better if it felt like it fit 13's character better, but being that's she's characterized as often being accidentally careless, a bit spastic, and a consistent force for change, I'd have liked to hear those themes explored more in her theme. I don't want to jerk Murray off here because occasionally he drops something that doesn't to what it should, but I feel like I Am the Doctor is the pinnacle of this, because it feels so 11th Doctor that it's hard to hear it played for any other incarnation.
I think a lot of people criticize Segun being more "ambient" or :atmospheric" because a lot of his tracks, especially in series 11, lean toward more consistent, drawn out tones to set a main theme, with a simpler beat/build up for scenes where the tension rises. They're simple, they're not there to carry a scene like Murray's were. And for me, in scenes where I wasn't exactly invested in the characters, the music made it feel more empty. Doctor Who under Murray Gold felt like a story where I was told exactly who and what a character or scene was through the score, and under Segun it feels more akin to being lightly guided there but ultimately left to answer some of those questions myself. And that's really weird to me, because on the flipside, it felt like when non-character, situational tracks were used, especially during speeches or important moments, they were used to heighten the drama or feel, and because I often wasn't invested in the drama that had been set up, they felt more as if they were trying to manipulate me into feeling a certain way without the actual scene really doing the same.
I'd be curious to hear how the soundtrack worked from someone who was more invested in the characters from the beginning. I definitely plan on going back to rewatch series 11-13 to see if I still feel this way.
Far from my favourite era but definitely my favourite Sontaran design
Thank god! I thought my UA-cam was just cursed I was so confused why I couldn’t see this video 😂
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LETS GOO!! Super excited to finally watch this greatness
oh we been waiting for this one
very lovely to see the BTS footage of 13s era, its so nice to see :)
And yes im a FLUXER i FLUXING love the FLUX so so much not nust for Dan and Karvanista...but Whittaker is peak here, Gill elevated herself too...the thrwats , the arcs, the twists, the directoon just ....its peak
If silly 🐶 dog man with northern accent doesn’t come back in the new series we riot.
38:54 this is one of my favorite scenes because each time (ba dum tiss) i hear it i am so confused. like this is where the confusion really boosts for me for all of flux like this is the pinpointed dialogue for me as to when i start going 🤷🏽❓️
ur the best ilu i hope u keep making videos forever