I hate how we can’t copy and paste a make up look to each outfit or save a preferred make up look. Seeing you have to redo the make up completely each time reminds me of this
There’s a way you can do it through MCCC. It’s pretty much copy from one outfit & paste onto another. Still tedious, but not nearly as bad as doing it all in CAS.
I do use cc (and a lot of them too), but I have a vanilla save where I remove every mod and I enjoy the game as it comes. There's actually so many cute outfit that you can make, and since I paid money for my dlcs I wanna use them to the fullest.
I get so overwhelmed when there’s too much to choose from. I have 95% of packs and there’s so much to choose from 😅 I play TS4 on console but played TS3 on PC. I think console players are more creative 😂 If we’re talking base game only however, that does blow
I have MCCC, Wonderful Whims (I would use WW, but we all know what we would think), Selectable Pets, and More CaS columns. Yet no CC, idk why I have a fear of the EA folder being bigger than 500 MB 😭
@@arandomperson920 simply because It adds more content to enjoy whether it’s mods or cc with the added bonus of being free the only cost being using some space for the cc or mods, (alpha cc I wouldn’t recommend, but maxis match is generally better in terms of space)
I use like 3 pieces of cc, lipstick and lip preset to be more like mine irl and some glasses because the ea ones are too thick and then mccc and stuff then thats it
I feel like I would get really addicted to cc but I'm a console player right now so I gotta use what I got unfortunately. I also gotta save up my money to get myself some more packs for better outfit options in cas
As a console player, the thing that bothers me the most is lack of hair colors. I love colorful hair! Also, cottage living, snowy escape, and the goth galore kit have saved me. I know goth galore gets a ton of hate, but I personally love it and it fits most of my Sims. I've managed to make my sims adorable (if I do say so myself)
I usually just go with brown or blond, knowing how this game works more colorful hair would probably be inherited by the children which is immersion breaking
youre a mean one you really are a heeeeeeeeeeel youre as cuddly as a cactus youre as charming as an eeeeeeeeel mr grinch youre a bad banana mr grinch with the greasy black peel
I love how all pc players are complaining about the game not operating and we’re basically h*rassing EA. Meanwhile, console players are in the corner with what they have just watching us lose our minds.
As a person who has played both (nowadays I only play on a Mac) I can confirm that the console is also really buggy unless you don’t have a lot of dlc, it is especially laggy on PS4 and although a haven’t played a lot of PS5 it seems to run smoother though some annoying bugs still appear occasionally.
The fuck are you on about? Console players never get anything and when we do it’s the WRONG thing that makes playing with a disability harder and I wasn’t able to play my four year legacy game for three MONTHS after the update that broke everything for everyone and I’ve filed hundreds of bug reports at EA answer and all their feed back pages and given so much constructive criticism to EA I’m on probation at EA answers. But sure whatever. Jar based pesto is crazy 🙄
Okay, but that SONG, though!? 🔥 I've been playing TS4 for many years (on PC) and only got into using CC a few months ago... It changed everything, especially as I am someone who spends multiple HOURS in CAS for just ONE Sim and I always give them all five possible outfits in every single category, so... When I began using CC it was like ✨a whole new world✨ and I wouldn't want to give that up again. So I felt these lyrics in my soul. 😩🖤 And yes, we STILL need more diverse hair representation and not only in packs/kits, but in freaking base game updates! 😤
"it cant be that bad right?" .... Well there is a reason that there is rarely maxis made clothes from sims 4 converted to sims 3. Its mainly cc clothes
I sympathize for the hair thing, in game the only one corresponding to my hair type is that same eco lifestyle updo (I was badmouthing about this pack when it came out, now it's everywhere in my game 😅)
I'm a console player, but that's because I have trouble using a KB and mouse. I would love to use some CC, but I also love the Sims I have made on my PS4. My current Sim is a sort of Sim version of myself and she is beautiful. The long curly hair with the flicked curls at the cheeks is actually one of my fave hairstyles and the one I gave my Sim (except I gave her the coloured one)
Honestly PC player and I barely use any CC for clothes, my CC is mostly objects the game doesn’t have but all my sims are pretty much maxis sims wearing Maxis stuff. I have a 12 family rotation. With each family having 2-5 sims. I don’t have the patience for makeup or accessories so most of the time I forget to add them 😋
I feel the makeup thing. Sometimes I really wanna use makeup on a sim, but it's so annoying to have to do it on every outfit. Glasses, hearing aids, and other accessories also have this problem.
As another ‘girlie with autism’, I either never wear socks with shoes that actually ‘require’ them but always wear socks with sandals- HELP, MY FASHION SENSE IS SO BAD FR FR💀😭
@@sweetmusicwoman984 the problem for my is I have horrible memory so I keep forgetting her username even tho I’ve been watching her for over two years now 💀
Man I remember the pain of just using the base game stuff only. Like theres nothing there. Guess thats what having cc must be like. I just can't stand playing with a keyboard though. Lol
as a console player not sure if I should be insulted by that song or not... oh and I'm throwing a build in for this week's challenge, it may be a day late. I had finished it last night and right as I was saving my console crashed... thanks EA. So I'm starting over.
I'm on PC, but I don't wanna bother with CAS CC other than a veil I got to have variety for my wedding wear. I kind of like to see how good I can make them look with what I have 😊
My sympathies to console players. I cannot even imagine their suffering. build ideas if still needed: - dark academia dorm in tomarang style - futuristic pub in henford-on-bagley - mermaid bowling lounge - eco fanatic's house that's a massive library. she'll only let you chop down a tree if it's to make paper for a book - goth beach party locale in sulani - caveman spa
As a console player, I’ve played the sims since I’ve gotten my Xbox (4-5 years or so), and I’ve never used CC in my life. Ik how to make sims look good without CC. I’ve made some of the cutest sims before. One thing that gets me through using normal game stuff is the blush from highschool years. It gives me peace of mind with faces
This video is HILARIOUS! Also on console and respect all of the opinions here about what we have available. Really appreciated putting yourself in our shoes, as torturous as that was, it was very graceful LOL. Subbed! ✨
2:33 "Fun Fact" - I cosplayed as a drag queen Sim once and used a eyeshadow in the MAC collection as a template for what I wore. It didn't look too bad, actually. (Surprisingly)
I recently learned how to download cc and my sims are prettier BUT because I only play with one family through generations I BELIEVE my sims ancestors where GORGEOUS
I have done the same thing... I play with a CC me but have a non-CC me in the gallery so that I can quick start new saves and not have to worry about if I have the right CC =)
i feel bad for those pc players. those that act stuck and superior. like im a concole player. i pity pc that give fake empathy for us. like i dont stuggle at all. my only complaint is streamers cant come up with a way to have discounts for all of us. like o well guess you wont get money from me to support.
I have so much respect for ppl who make themselves in Sims. I tried it once, maybe 6-7 years ago and nothing, I mean NOTHING, has made me more depressed about how I look. It unlocked a level of disgust towards myself I never knew existed 🥴 Never again. I prefer to like myself...
Another comment from me cuz im annoying😂 1: great song, i was not expecting it to be that good and 2: my niece plays on console so when playing with her, i disable my cheats and dont use cc 😂😂 just a nice way to show we care, like this video ❤❤ thank you!!!
As someone who was a console player that moved to a PC.... I will never go back.... CC & Mods have changed my life so much, Its worth the transition!!!
Used to be a console player, till I got a pc, ever since then, my cc folder has stayed at an unhealthy size of 42 gigs... no I will not give up my cc, and yes, I will be saving my game every 5 seconds out of fear from crashing.
I literally left my xbox sims 4 game only to be able to use mods and cc, and even tho I lost days of progress and alot of stories, I don't regret it one bit, because now I'm able to created awesome fantasy sims, because EA can't cook.
Honestly I feel you on the hair thing. Its like, you either have beach waves, or an afro, no inbetween. Is a ringlet hairstyle or two too much to ask? Give us volume! And don't stick beads in it
5:31 Oh my God, same! I have to always wear socks as well (especially when I am wearing tennis shoes as the idea of having no socks on is freaking terrifying to me, no joke) and I’m not exactly sure why. Maybe it’s an autistic thing.
i play on pc but don't use cc, when i make sims i spend probably hours on each one. why can't we copy and paste makeup? why do the curly hairstyles kind of suck? WHY DOES THE SKIN LOOK LIKE THAT? WHY ARE THE EYELASHES CARDBOARD? AAAAAAGH
As a console player trust me im willing to rebuy every single dlc again just to play with cc as well on computer when i get my gaming computer set up because yes my stuff is great for what i have but a girl wants to thrive not just survive haha
i lowkey stopped playing sims because it's unbearable after a while on ps4. im not a builder in general and it's really weird trying to build things like roofs and stairs on playstation. i like decorating which there are some good packs but not really. and then making sims gets old really fast cause there's only so much content if you can't buy anything (like me)
I hate that there isn't enough curly hair in this game! There is like wavy texture ... and afro texture, and no in-between. I just want more curly hair that actually looks like mine :(((
I’m not disappointed in the MAC collection makeup because I never had an expectation that they would have good makeup. I hate MAC so much as a company.
Timestamp for the song I wrote at 6:54 ♥
PLEASE MAKE MUSIC VIDEO IN SIMS4
I really love your song! 💘
So the actual end of the video.
Ight, ima head out.
🔥🔥🔥
I miss all your funky sims music videos, so this was absolutely delightful! It made me really happy to hear! :)
I hate how we can’t copy and paste a make up look to each outfit or save a preferred make up look. Seeing you have to redo the make up completely each time reminds me of this
There’s a way you can do it through MCCC. It’s pretty much copy from one outfit & paste onto another. Still tedious, but not nearly as bad as doing it all in CAS.
you really needto use mccc for that unfortunately
THIS! I just made a sim a few hours ago and it was so annoying having to constantly redo the makeup over and over.
FR
sometimes it saves to all outfits 90% of the time no and it's annoying
As a console player, my sims are absolutely gorgeous! I take at least half an hour in cas to get each sim right. But thank you for addressing this💜
I do use cc (and a lot of them too), but I have a vanilla save where I remove every mod and I enjoy the game as it comes. There's actually so many cute outfit that you can make, and since I paid money for my dlcs I wanna use them to the fullest.
@@wirdest1210 me too. Honestly behind the bugs, the game itself is fun and really good!
I get so overwhelmed when there’s too much to choose from. I have 95% of packs and there’s so much to choose from 😅 I play TS4 on console but played TS3 on PC. I think console players are more creative 😂 If we’re talking base game only however, that does blow
Same. After awhile you just get used to it
Playing vanilla really forces you to get creative.
I am a pc player yet i don't use cc, but I respect the reasonings for why people use cc
Same
I have MCCC, Wonderful Whims (I would use WW, but we all know what we would think), Selectable Pets, and More CaS columns. Yet no CC, idk why I have a fear of the EA folder being bigger than 500 MB 😭
Same. I don't get why people use cc though.
@@arandomperson920 simply because It adds more content to enjoy whether it’s mods or cc with the added bonus of being free the only cost being using some space for the cc or mods, (alpha cc I wouldn’t recommend, but maxis match is generally better in terms of space)
I use like 3 pieces of cc, lipstick and lip preset to be more like mine irl and some glasses because the ea ones are too thick and then mccc and stuff then thats it
When you start using CC there's no going back.
I feel like I would get really addicted to cc but I'm a console player right now so I gotta use what I got unfortunately. I also gotta save up my money to get myself some more packs for better outfit options in cas
my laptop holds onto dear life every time I open the sims because of how much cc I use
As a console player, the thing that bothers me the most is lack of hair colors. I love colorful hair! Also, cottage living, snowy escape, and the goth galore kit have saved me. I know goth galore gets a ton of hate, but I personally love it and it fits most of my Sims. I've managed to make my sims adorable (if I do say so myself)
I agree, I miss being able to customize colors from the sims 3.
Incheon Arrivals kit saved my cold weather outfits ngl
The full body fit w the long coat is perfect
@@faevondergeist67 I swear there’s so many kits I lost track 😅
I usually just go with brown or blond, knowing how this game works more colorful hair would probably be inherited by the children which is immersion breaking
@@midnight5592 Yeah, they need to add a "natural hair color" and a "dyed hair color" option
"No ukulele even though I need to apologize" Oh my god, these jokes never get old. 😂
As a console player, thabk you
This console player appreciates the struggle u went through to make urself without cc
Feel our pain
Yesssssss TwT
Eww, your pfp background. You’re still your bio gender
youre a mean one you really are a heeeeeeeeeeel youre as cuddly as a cactus youre as charming as an eeeeeeeeel mr grinch youre a bad banana mr grinch with the greasy black peel
'I'm already sick of it' me everytime after 10 minutes in CAS
I love how all pc players are complaining about the game not operating and we’re basically h*rassing EA.
Meanwhile, console players are in the corner with what they have just watching us lose our minds.
Frrr
As a person who has played both (nowadays I only play on a Mac) I can confirm that the console is also really buggy unless you don’t have a lot of dlc, it is especially laggy on PS4 and although a haven’t played a lot of PS5 it seems to run smoother though some annoying bugs still appear occasionally.
I play on PS4 and the main bugs that annoy me are the colorless cross stitch and puzzles. Everything else I can live with but those 2 kill me
@@urbangremlin Its smooth most of the times on xbox series s too, but bugs exist ofc
The fuck are you on about? Console players never get anything and when we do it’s the WRONG thing that makes playing with a disability harder and I wasn’t able to play my four year legacy game for three MONTHS after the update that broke everything for everyone and I’ve filed hundreds of bug reports at EA answer and all their feed back pages and given so much constructive criticism to EA I’m on probation at EA answers. But sure whatever. Jar based pesto is crazy 🙄
The reason I use cc is for very specific things like headphones around the neck, opera gloves for kids, specific lashes, etc.
Keep in mind..... you have packs, too..... imagine the horror of mostly base game. I am suffering.
Okay, but that SONG, though!? 🔥
I've been playing TS4 for many years (on PC) and only got into using CC a few months ago... It changed everything, especially as I am someone who spends multiple HOURS in CAS for just ONE Sim and I always give them all five possible outfits in every single category, so... When I began using CC it was like ✨a whole new world✨ and I wouldn't want to give that up again. So I felt these lyrics in my soul. 😩🖤
And yes, we STILL need more diverse hair representation and not only in packs/kits, but in freaking base game updates! 😤
"Oh my god are you wearing black during the summer?!?!?"
"Yes I am cause I'm a fucking idiot"
I felt that on a personal level 😂
the song is actually fire i need the full release NOW
"it cant be that bad right?"
.... Well there is a reason that there is rarely maxis made clothes from sims 4 converted to sims 3. Its mainly cc clothes
Bro im so happy someone else said it!!!!! Hats just dont work for curly hair!!!!!!!
I sympathize for the hair thing, in game the only one corresponding to my hair type is that same eco lifestyle updo (I was badmouthing about this pack when it came out, now it's everywhere in my game 😅)
You can take my CC from my dead hands. I’ll never go back.
OK but for real? Your little rappy song at the end was actually really good!! 👌🏻
As a xbox player my sims arent bad at all (unless we talk about my moms mostly female sims are 😬 something) but my sims be slaying
As someone who plays on console, the lack of curly hairs is so frustrating. It makes me wanna cry.😅😅
I'm a console player, but that's because I have trouble using a KB and mouse. I would love to use some CC, but I also love the Sims I have made on my PS4. My current Sim is a sort of Sim version of myself and she is beautiful. The long curly hair with the flicked curls at the cheeks is actually one of my fave hairstyles and the one I gave my Sim (except I gave her the coloured one)
GIRL THE SONG LMAO "no ukelele even though I need to apologise" 🤣🤣🤣 OMG I love it! I'm a console player too, this whole video was fantastic.
Honestly PC player and I barely use any CC for clothes, my CC is mostly objects the game doesn’t have but all my sims are pretty much maxis sims wearing Maxis stuff. I have a 12 family rotation. With each family having 2-5 sims.
I don’t have the patience for makeup or accessories so most of the time I forget to add them 😋
I feel the makeup thing. Sometimes I really wanna use makeup on a sim, but it's so annoying to have to do it on every outfit. Glasses, hearing aids, and other accessories also have this problem.
My sims are pretty hot and I'm a console player....but it took years of experience 😂
😂😂 same aye
Same lol
Bro for all the girls out there with curly hair, we got shit options 😂 that's why we use cc 😂😂😂😂
"This is pain." OMFG I was not ready to laugh this hard today. I busted my gut.
As another ‘girlie with autism’, I either never wear socks with shoes that actually ‘require’ them but always wear socks with sandals- HELP, MY FASHION SENSE IS SO BAD FR FR💀😭
Pissed that yt hasn’t been giving me notifications on this channel so I’ve missed like three videos now >:(
😭😭😭😭
Same! I actively have to search videos from this channel. Hoping the more I search, maybe then ill get notified
@@sweetmusicwoman984 the problem for my is I have horrible memory so I keep forgetting her username even tho I’ve been watching her for over two years now 💀
Man I remember the pain of just using the base game stuff only. Like theres nothing there. Guess thats what having cc must be like. I just can't stand playing with a keyboard though. Lol
"no ukelele even though i need to apologise"
thats art
finally we controller wielders get our revenge
(base game fgg next)
It was kind of you to do this for the console players. Now I have to go listen to the song again. Omg!
as a console player not sure if I should be insulted by that song or not... oh and I'm throwing a build in for this week's challenge, it may be a day late. I had finished it last night and right as I was saving my console crashed... thanks EA. So I'm starting over.
I'm on PC, but I don't wanna bother with CAS CC other than a veil I got to have variety for my wedding wear. I kind of like to see how good I can make them look with what I have 😊
My sympathies to console players. I cannot even imagine their suffering.
build ideas if still needed:
- dark academia dorm in tomarang style
- futuristic pub in henford-on-bagley
- mermaid bowling lounge
- eco fanatic's house that's a massive library. she'll only let you chop down a tree if it's to make paper for a book
- goth beach party locale in sulani
- caveman spa
Thank you for the video. And you're videos always cheer me up. Thank you for making videos for the world to see.
skin detail is a must have 😭
Also, the song is wonderful bahhahah
As a console player I appreciate your effort. Your sim looks good!
As a console player, I’ve played the sims since I’ve gotten my Xbox (4-5 years or so), and I’ve never used CC in my life. Ik how to make sims look good without CC. I’ve made some of the cutest sims before. One thing that gets me through using normal game stuff is the blush from highschool years. It gives me peace of mind with faces
how come our sims defaul underwear DONT FIT PROPERLY? i never understand that. like why we have plumbers crack lol
This video is HILARIOUS! Also on console and respect all of the opinions here about what we have available. Really appreciated putting yourself in our shoes, as torturous as that was, it was very graceful LOL. Subbed! ✨
2:33 "Fun Fact" - I cosplayed as a drag queen Sim once and used a eyeshadow in the MAC collection as a template for what I wore. It didn't look too bad, actually. (Surprisingly)
This song at the end needs to be on spotify
I recently learned how to download cc and my sims are prettier BUT because I only play with one family through generations I BELIEVE my sims ancestors where GORGEOUS
bro... i feel ur pain as a fellow woman with long curly hair playing the sims
as a curly hair haver, the ea options are just so annoying, i have to use cc just to look like myself aswell (i use the same hair cc as you lol)
I have done the same thing... I play with a CC me but have a non-CC me in the gallery so that I can quick start new saves and not have to worry about if I have the right CC =)
I'm a PC player that wants to use CC because it's hard to do pretty sims
but at the same time, I'm too lazy to organize and update all of them
The song is pretty fire though
As someone who recently switched to using mainly cc I can confirm it’s hard to go back 😭
as an ex-console player im so glad im on pc now its actually life changing
Honestly.... Aside from your commentary.... this song is probably ONE OF the best things I've seen from you. Good job. :)
i feel bad for those pc players. those that act stuck and superior. like im a concole player. i pity pc that give fake empathy for us. like i dont stuggle at all. my only complaint is streamers cant come up with a way to have discounts for all of us. like o well guess you wont get money from me to support.
I have so much respect for ppl who make themselves in Sims.
I tried it once, maybe 6-7 years ago and nothing, I mean NOTHING, has made me more depressed about how I look.
It unlocked a level of disgust towards myself I never knew existed 🥴
Never again. I prefer to like myself...
I honestly remember a time before fake gamer girl used cc lol but she looks awesome!
Another comment from me cuz im annoying😂 1: great song, i was not expecting it to be that good and 2: my niece plays on console so when playing with her, i disable my cheats and dont use cc 😂😂 just a nice way to show we care, like this video ❤❤ thank you!!!
As someone who was a console player that moved to a PC.... I will never go back.... CC & Mods have changed my life so much, Its worth the transition!!!
7:32 me when I used to play PS4, but then I just bought a powerful Gamer PC that runs Cyberpunk 2077
Haha, my gamer PC runs Cyberpunk like silk but it struggles with shitty Sims 4 😂
That song got me in my feels 😢 so emotional
Dang being a console player myself this made me realize.. I need to buy a PC 😭
you're so brave for this.
also the song slaps gg
Damn, I've never been this early, love the content ❤ and that song was spitting facts
ok but this is my feel for build challenges XD I avoid CC at all cost for them and its PAIN!
As a console player I appreciate you showing the struggle ❤
I only have the sims 3 on the Xbox 360 but I don’t think I could play it without cc in the future plus the pets never worked kept on freezing
Thank you for your sacrifice because I couldn't do it! I don't know how to play the Sims 4 without mods and cc anymore. Also the song is sick!
Used to be a console player, till I got a pc, ever since then, my cc folder has stayed at an unhealthy size of 42 gigs... no I will not give up my cc, and yes, I will be saving my game every 5 seconds out of fear from crashing.
I got skin overlays, and my sims look 10 times better. Like everything else could be vanilla, but as long as the skin overlay is on, she's pretty.
I literally left my xbox sims 4 game only to be able to use mods and cc, and even tho I lost days of progress and alot of stories, I don't regret it one bit, because now I'm able to created awesome fantasy sims, because EA can't cook.
with you 100% on the jeans, if i'm gonna wear jeans i won't be sitting. barely breathing honestly
That made me snort my milk.
@@Jute511 i'm so sorry 😂😂
I currently only play on console and the struggle is real
I bought the console game on PS4, and honestly I have only played it one day when I first bought it years ago..... I just can't.
Sick bars, I never thought I would see something like…. this, but omg it was so good, Thankyou for understanding our pain….
Honestly I feel you on the hair thing. Its like, you either have beach waves, or an afro, no inbetween. Is a ringlet hairstyle or two too much to ask? Give us volume! And don't stick beads in it
I really need your cc folder I love it so much
5:31 Oh my God, same! I have to always wear socks as well (especially when I am wearing tennis shoes as the idea of having no socks on is freaking terrifying to me, no joke) and I’m not exactly sure why. Maybe it’s an autistic thing.
when i played on console i didn't mind most of the cas. now that i play on my laptop and only use cc i find all of the pack content ugly 😭😭😭
OMG THANK YOU, SOMEBODY AGKNOLAGES OUR PAIN!!! 🥰
5:38 I'll be quoting this on a daily basis
Twisted cat has some of THE Best cc
i play on pc but don't use cc, when i make sims i spend probably hours on each one. why can't we copy and paste makeup? why do the curly hairstyles kind of suck? WHY DOES THE SKIN LOOK LIKE THAT? WHY ARE THE EYELASHES CARDBOARD? AAAAAAGH
I’ve been console so long I’ve learned how to make cute sims. And they real cute.
As a console player trust me im willing to rebuy every single dlc again just to play with cc as well on computer when i get my gaming computer set up because yes my stuff is great for what i have but a girl wants to thrive not just survive haha
lol the song 😂😂😂 please god don’t take my pc away from me
i lowkey stopped playing sims because it's unbearable after a while on ps4. im not a builder in general and it's really weird trying to build things like roofs and stairs on playstation. i like decorating which there are some good packs but not really. and then making sims gets old really fast cause there's only so much content if you can't buy anything (like me)
That song healed me
i bought a computer just so i could use cc for my sims. literally playing on console was that bad
Perfect! Now do this with only base game!!
NOW you see why we’re like “STOP MAKING CC SIMS! Make us Sims we can use on the console!!!!” all the time.
The diss track was FIRE 🔥🔥🔥
I hate that there isn't enough curly hair in this game! There is like wavy texture ... and afro texture, and no in-between. I just want more curly hair that actually looks like mine :(((
I have a complaint! I can't find your song on spotify but I NEED TO have it so that I can listen in an endless loop.
Welcome to our world my dear! If anyone can recommend a console streamer for sims4 please leave some names. Im tired of being sssssoooo jealous
Sims without CC is like a sandwich that's just bread. CC is a gift from the creatively imbued creator gods.
I don’t understand how people can physically play Sims on console. I wouldn’t play Sims at all even if I had the game on console.
I’m not disappointed in the MAC collection makeup because I never had an expectation that they would have good makeup. I hate MAC so much as a company.