The comments on Izzy’s story just prove how hypocritical our society is today. We’re told to accept everyone or else we’re a terrible person, but attempting to end someone disabled (and this is just one example of many I’ve seen of such) who has no control over these sorts of things is perfectly fine. It disgusts me. I hope Izzy is doing well today.
46:36 THIS PART RIGHT HERE! And I knew about this at a younger age. Possibly at 16 or 17 (I'm 20 now). I knew that categorizing an ENTIRE group or the world as evil was not a good mindset because of the people and circumstances that make it that way. It's not the world itself that is evil, but the people and the circumstances that make it that way. I know that there are a TON of evil people in this world, but there is also good. I respect you both for being aware of that. 💯
I don't care what anyone says: the mother trying to off herself, along with her autistic child, is pure evil. There's no excuse for it, and it's just wrong. There are multiple ways around handling overstimulation that are more humane and healthy. Yes, I'm on the autistic spectrum, so this hits close to home for me.
Your duty as a parent, one you sign onto when you make that choice to become one, is to try and raise your offspring to be the best person they can be. Izzy's situation is certainly an unfortunate case as someone with Autism, exacerbated by violence problems to boot. Your response then, as a parent, is to give them the best care you can. To soldier on, even on those exhausting days, because they are your child; your responsibility. I can't imagine how difficult it must've been to be the parent of a kid like Izzy, there were probably no easy answers, and few easy days. But what I DO know, is the answer certainly isn't "nope the fuck out of everything and try and off myself and my kid to ease MY burden" You just can't give up like that. That is such a selfish act it's hard to fathom and an utter failure of every part of being a good parent.
I have autism I've been around people that acted as that little girl in the first video people who are also disabled I can't speak very well,see hold on to things or walk I don't know what they are doing now or who is taking care of them but I know that society is going to have a tough time dealing with them
I'm on the spectrum but diagnosed late in life after my son was diagnosed. My son needed speech therapy and when he could not verbalize what he needed he would get out of control. Once he was able to verbalize and get behavioral therapy the outbursts stopped. I'm not sure what they had tried but I know sensory issues can be so debilitating. I don't know what type of therapy she had gotten beforehand but this whole thing just made me sad and mad at the same time.
The first story was also told on Dr Phil and he also talked with another woman who also contemplated killing her autistic son and herself. There was also another woman from Australia who actually did kill her autistic son. When it comes to raising a child with autism it is extremely hard when you don’t know what to do and you don’t always have the support to help you. I have Asperger’s Syndrome which is like autism but not severe and had a hard school life going to 4 different schools before high school. Now I’m 27 holding down a part time job and hope to one day move into a house on my own and start a family.
I would agree with the don’t have support thing if I hadn’t found out that the mom from the first story did get proper support. Her family admitted that she was getting the right help with how to handle Izzy but she just ignored it, brushed it aside like it’s nothing. She just wanted validation for her “struggles” and sympathy instead of making sure her daughter was ok as everything had to be about her, not Izzy. I’ve heard of people being narcissistic and attention seeking but the fact that she was taking it to a level where she was purposely neglecting her own child and taking her to treatments she knew was going to end up the way they did is just beyond disturbing. They’re both right in that the mom is messed up in the head. Cause like how starved and desperate for attention does someone have to be that they consider it ok to do what she did?
I have autism, and I used to have violent outbursts similar tot Izzy, mainly due to a medication that was supposed to help with anxiety, but was known to increase anger (my loving parents didn't know that at the time). It wasn't entirely my fault as I couldn't control my anger at the time, but I still feel horrible about it. Sadly, some of society are not able or willing to understand that autism is not a disease or a condition. It is a learning challenge that impacts our social, emotional, and cognitive abilities (I'm getting a degree in psychology), and there are varying levels of autism, some much more severe than others. Just because we learn differently does not mean we should be treated differently. I really hope Izzy is doing ok now, and while her mother should not have had to go through those outbursts, it is inexcusable what she did to poor Izzy.
Growing up with autism, I never lashed out violently on anyone; at best I would cry and maybe yell at people who push me around like bullies and such, but never anything physical at them But that's just how I was as a kid and even now being more understanding and educated on how to act and approach people as an adult
My granddad was a teacher, and started at a 1-room school house. He was there for 3 years. So, he had to teach from a 1st grade level, to a 12th grade level. To then be the cleaner of that building, custodian, etc. Yeah, that was hell to him. That's not that uncommon here in (at the very least) Pennsylvania. Until the state universally combined the 1-room schoolhouse systems into 1-2-3 elementary schools, per school system.
There is actually a plausible explanation for the date discrepancy on the last video which is that given Belev was from Russia he used the Julian calender, and if my memory serves me right Mid August in the Julian calender is around the same time as early September in the Gregorian calender.
I remember seeing that first clip from a Doctor Phil episode my mother was watching. As someone with autism, elementary school was the worst for me. I didn’t like being touched, and would get frustrated out of of overstimulation. As middle school and onwards went, it got much better at it. Worst case when a stranger touches me I tend to tense up. Nowadays I’m fine. I have a few hyper-fixations I tend to focus on to help motivate me to do things.
I'm autistic too and im very curious where Izzy was receiving that treatment + what it was, I know ABA is heavily criticized for being essentially conversion therapy for autism
it wasn’t really that bad for me but i did go through ABA around when i was a preteen and it didn’t really help at all in the long run. i remember one of my therapists for it filming a meltdown i had while laughing about it :/ i probably would have been better off never having to do it
im autistic also, i too had ABA, my mom pulled me out when she realized it didnt work for me, ABA at its worst really is just conversion therapy for autistics, at its best maybe it could work, but there are better options out there.
Literally everyone here is talking about the first story, but the second and third stories imo were way more dark, way more messed up and way more angering and interesting.
12:00 as an autistic person it's incredibly common for people with these conditions to get frustrated because there are so many societal demands that our minds sometimes don't understand, or if we are trying to convey a need of ours that isn't being met and we try to push for it sometimes we learn to mimic and use the same aggression, or frustration we are shown to try and convey that. My mother will frequently interrupt me mid-sentence when we're arguing over mundane things and it infuriates me but if I do the same to her then I'm the one not listening which turns into a yelling match of both parties trying to be heard but neither really coming to a conclusion. Additionally group homes and medicines have a bad habit of doing more harm than good. When I was in high school I got put on a medication that caused me to have a medical induced paranoia spiral and it caused me things like thoughts of self harm, depression, and paranoia that I hadn't experienced before but we had just lost my grandfather so I was struggling to try and just "push through school" as I was told I should. Ultimately we found out the cause and were able to find a solution. It's likely a similar thing may have happened with this girl but nobody was listening, or she could've been suffering problems at the group home that were ignored that lead up to what occured.
I'm on the fence about the first one, I mean I don't exactly see that as a "YASS QUEEN" moment like Nate seems to get the impression by the comments. The mother was likely feeling that she failed as a mother simply because she couldn't take care of her daughter and was probably more afraid of sending her away to a foster care if she acted as violent as she did when she was getting help, in her mind all the other avenues were used up except one and I doubt she even came up with that kind of plan without even slight doubt in her own heart.
Yes I get being at the end of your rope but killing a child is never the answer plus people calling the child an animal leaves me to believe that they saw the child as less than human. Anyone praising what she did are just showing they are shitty people.
@@seraphineraevenwulf I'd argue that those people were seeing the child's behavior, anyone would have been thinking the same thing. I mean there's a reason why two girls fighting for any reason are known as "cat's fighting". Foster care can be extremely unforgiving to a child especially one with Autism as the other kids or even the foster care parents can be so much worse than her mother. Edit: also, just by technicality they're also not wrong in calling the child an "animal" because that's what ALL humans are "animals", so I'd argue that not viewing us as equals to the rest is worse since the most unhinged individuals really CAN be animalistic in nature.
@@cursedhawkins1305- I’m sorry but you disgust me. Stop enabling this behavior you ableist pos. That mom was actually getting proper advice for her daughter’s care but deliberately ignored it. Her family revealed this along with calling her narcissistic and pointed out that no one else in said family had those problems with Izzy. She has always been well behaved around most people. It was mostly her mom that got this which screams she was purposely abusing Izzy to get sympathy and attention and you fell for it by excusing her horrible actions. Shame on you to eternity and I pray that you never ever have children because you obviously won’t be a good parent either.
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I read up on Izzy and jc the ableism that came out as a response was so disturbing to read, especially given that this isn’t too long ago. Even the media was portraying the mom as nothing but a victim. Not only was the autistic and disabled communities calling out that bs but even her own family who were on Izzy’s side and called the mom narcissistic as she didn’t like not getting attention in any way. I’m so glad that her husband divorced her to keep her away from Izzy and got the teen better help. Also her family revealed that she was given proper advice on how to raise Izzy but disregard all of it. It’s also indicated that she was likely abusing Izzy in some way which was why she lashed out at her mom cause everyone else in the family never had this problem with Izzy. Only the mom.
Well, Autism would probably affect females a bit more, given how that they're going through other personal stuff then males go through. But this is just a speculation from an Autistic male, so I can't say with great certainty that's the case.
The first story always makes me uncomfortable. I can understand things from the perspective of both "sides"; maybe the mother going through with it was justified or maybe she should've "been stronger". idk. I don't think an answer is as easily reachable as it usually is, when it involves mental illness on top of everything else. Laws, the "family" factor, etc. What makes it uncomfortable is that I've never settled on an opinion for it, no matter what I did. I try to see things from multiple perspectives, I try looking at it with personal experience, I take comments into account to try and try to form my opinion, but it never takes... hopefully, someday, I can settle on one side or another, but the world isn't black-and-white, though I sure wish it was sometimes...
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The comments on Izzy’s story just prove how hypocritical our society is today. We’re told to accept everyone or else we’re a terrible person, but attempting to end someone disabled (and this is just one example of many I’ve seen of such) who has no control over these sorts of things is perfectly fine. It disgusts me. I hope Izzy is doing well today.
46:36 THIS PART RIGHT HERE! And I knew about this at a younger age. Possibly at 16 or 17 (I'm 20 now). I knew that categorizing an ENTIRE group or the world as evil was not a good mindset because of the people and circumstances that make it that way. It's not the world itself that is evil, but the people and the circumstances that make it that way. I know that there are a TON of evil people in this world, but there is also good. I respect you both for being aware of that. 💯
I don't care what anyone says: the mother trying to off herself, along with her autistic child, is pure evil. There's no excuse for it, and it's just wrong. There are multiple ways around handling overstimulation that are more humane and healthy.
Yes, I'm on the autistic spectrum, so this hits close to home for me.
Your duty as a parent, one you sign onto when you make that choice to become one, is to try and raise your offspring to be the best person they can be. Izzy's situation is certainly an unfortunate case as someone with Autism, exacerbated by violence problems to boot. Your response then, as a parent, is to give them the best care you can. To soldier on, even on those exhausting days, because they are your child; your responsibility.
I can't imagine how difficult it must've been to be the parent of a kid like Izzy, there were probably no easy answers, and few easy days.
But what I DO know, is the answer certainly isn't "nope the fuck out of everything and try and off myself and my kid to ease MY burden" You just can't give up like that. That is such a selfish act it's hard to fathom and an utter failure of every part of being a good parent.
35:59 Not a war crime, it’s a crime against humanity, which is arguably worse
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This 2nd story reminded me SO MUCH of "The Turpin Family" case back in 2018 and the "Ruby Franke" case from March of last year.
Same i hate it still happends poor kids
I have autism I've been around people that acted as that little girl in the first video people who are also disabled I can't speak very well,see hold on to things or walk I don't know what they are doing now or who is taking care of them but I know that society is going to have a tough time dealing with them
I'm on the spectrum but diagnosed late in life after my son was diagnosed. My son needed speech therapy and when he could not verbalize what he needed he would get out of control. Once he was able to verbalize and get behavioral therapy the outbursts stopped. I'm not sure what they had tried but I know sensory issues can be so debilitating. I don't know what type of therapy she had gotten beforehand but this whole thing just made me sad and mad at the same time.
The first story was also told on Dr Phil and he also talked with another woman who also contemplated killing her autistic son and herself.
There was also another woman from Australia who actually did kill her autistic son.
When it comes to raising a child with autism it is extremely hard when you don’t know what to do and you don’t always have the support to help you.
I have Asperger’s Syndrome which is like autism but not severe and had a hard school life going to 4 different schools before high school.
Now I’m 27 holding down a part time job and hope to one day move into a house on my own and start a family.
I would agree with the don’t have support thing if I hadn’t found out that the mom from the first story did get proper support. Her family admitted that she was getting the right help with how to handle Izzy but she just ignored it, brushed it aside like it’s nothing. She just wanted validation for her “struggles” and sympathy instead of making sure her daughter was ok as everything had to be about her, not Izzy. I’ve heard of people being narcissistic and attention seeking but the fact that she was taking it to a level where she was purposely neglecting her own child and taking her to treatments she knew was going to end up the way they did is just beyond disturbing. They’re both right in that the mom is messed up in the head. Cause like how starved and desperate for attention does someone have to be that they consider it ok to do what she did?
i have autism, elementary school and middle school were the worst years for me, high school got better thankfully.
Yeah, by the end of high school, I just didn’t care, didn’t feel a sense of pride in graduation, just wanted it to be over
Same i got both ADHD and Autism non of the meds i had for my ADHD diden’t worked very well so i just stopped taking them fully
I have autism, and I used to have violent outbursts similar tot Izzy, mainly due to a medication that was supposed to help with anxiety, but was known to increase anger (my loving parents didn't know that at the time). It wasn't entirely my fault as I couldn't control my anger at the time, but I still feel horrible about it. Sadly, some of society are not able or willing to understand that autism is not a disease or a condition. It is a learning challenge that impacts our social, emotional, and cognitive abilities (I'm getting a degree in psychology), and there are varying levels of autism, some much more severe than others. Just because we learn differently does not mean we should be treated differently. I really hope Izzy is doing ok now, and while her mother should not have had to go through those outbursts, it is inexcusable what she did to poor Izzy.
Growing up with autism, I never lashed out violently on anyone; at best I would cry and maybe yell at people who push me around like bullies and such, but never anything physical at them
But that's just how I was as a kid and even now being more understanding and educated on how to act and approach people as an adult
I wasn't expecting this today lmao
My granddad was a teacher, and started at a 1-room school house. He was there for 3 years. So, he had to teach from a 1st grade level, to a 12th grade level. To then be the cleaner of that building, custodian, etc. Yeah, that was hell to him.
That's not that uncommon here in (at the very least) Pennsylvania. Until the state universally combined the 1-room schoolhouse systems into 1-2-3 elementary schools, per school system.
There is actually a plausible explanation for the date discrepancy on the last video which is that given Belev was from Russia he used the Julian calender, and if my memory serves me right Mid August in the Julian calender is around the same time as early September in the Gregorian calender.
I remember seeing that first clip from a Doctor Phil episode my mother was watching.
As someone with autism, elementary school was the worst for me. I didn’t like being touched, and would get frustrated out of of overstimulation.
As middle school and onwards went, it got much better at it. Worst case when a stranger touches me I tend to tense up.
Nowadays I’m fine. I have a few hyper-fixations I tend to focus on to help motivate me to do things.
I'm autistic too and im very curious where Izzy was receiving that treatment + what it was, I know ABA is heavily criticized for being essentially conversion therapy for autism
it wasn’t really that bad for me but i did go through ABA around when i was a preteen and it didn’t really help at all in the long run. i remember one of my therapists for it filming a meltdown i had while laughing about it :/ i probably would have been better off never having to do it
im autistic also, i too had ABA, my mom pulled me out when she realized it didnt work for me, ABA at its worst really is just conversion therapy for autistics, at its best maybe it could work, but there are better options out there.
Literally everyone here is talking about the first story, but the second and third stories imo were way more dark, way more messed up and way more angering and interesting.
12:00 as an autistic person it's incredibly common for people with these conditions to get frustrated because there are so many societal demands that our minds sometimes don't understand, or if we are trying to convey a need of ours that isn't being met and we try to push for it sometimes we learn to mimic and use the same aggression, or frustration we are shown to try and convey that. My mother will frequently interrupt me mid-sentence when we're arguing over mundane things and it infuriates me but if I do the same to her then I'm the one not listening which turns into a yelling match of both parties trying to be heard but neither really coming to a conclusion. Additionally group homes and medicines have a bad habit of doing more harm than good. When I was in high school I got put on a medication that caused me to have a medical induced paranoia spiral and it caused me things like thoughts of self harm, depression, and paranoia that I hadn't experienced before but we had just lost my grandfather so I was struggling to try and just "push through school" as I was told I should. Ultimately we found out the cause and were able to find a solution. It's likely a similar thing may have happened with this girl but nobody was listening, or she could've been suffering problems at the group home that were ignored that lead up to what occured.
Fun Fact: Chechnya is a majority-Muslim region of the country.
And that is on top of the normal homophobia within Russian society.
I'm on the fence about the first one, I mean I don't exactly see that as a "YASS QUEEN" moment like Nate seems to get the impression by the comments. The mother was likely feeling that she failed as a mother simply because she couldn't take care of her daughter and was probably more afraid of sending her away to a foster care if she acted as violent as she did when she was getting help, in her mind all the other avenues were used up except one and I doubt she even came up with that kind of plan without even slight doubt in her own heart.
Yes I get being at the end of your rope but killing a child is never the answer plus people calling the child an animal leaves me to believe that they saw the child as less than human. Anyone praising what she did are just showing they are shitty people.
@@seraphineraevenwulf I'd argue that those people were seeing the child's behavior, anyone would have been thinking the same thing. I mean there's a reason why two girls fighting for any reason are known as "cat's fighting". Foster care can be extremely unforgiving to a child especially one with Autism as the other kids or even the foster care parents can be so much worse than her mother.
Edit: also, just by technicality they're also not wrong in calling the child an "animal" because that's what ALL humans are "animals", so I'd argue that not viewing us as equals to the rest is worse since the most unhinged individuals really CAN be animalistic in nature.
@@cursedhawkins1305- I’m sorry but you disgust me. Stop enabling this behavior you ableist pos. That mom was actually getting proper advice for her daughter’s care but deliberately ignored it. Her family revealed this along with calling her narcissistic and pointed out that no one else in said family had those problems with Izzy. She has always been well behaved around most people. It was mostly her mom that got this which screams she was purposely abusing Izzy to get sympathy and attention and you fell for it by excusing her horrible actions. Shame on you to eternity and I pray that you never ever have children because you obviously won’t be a good parent either.
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I read up on Izzy and jc the ableism that came out as a response was so disturbing to read, especially given that this isn’t too long ago. Even the media was portraying the mom as nothing but a victim. Not only was the autistic and disabled communities calling out that bs but even her own family who were on Izzy’s side and called the mom narcissistic as she didn’t like not getting attention in any way.
I’m so glad that her husband divorced her to keep her away from Izzy and got the teen better help. Also her family revealed that she was given proper advice on how to raise Izzy but disregard all of it. It’s also indicated that she was likely abusing Izzy in some way which was why she lashed out at her mom cause everyone else in the family never had this problem with Izzy. Only the mom.
My guys are right i have both ADHD and Autism i just get upset and i leave i just need a few minutes the first one really get me yeah it’s fu@ed up
Well, Autism would probably affect females a bit more, given how that they're going through other personal stuff then males go through. But this is just a speculation from an Autistic male, so I can't say with great certainty that's the case.
Oh boy...
A important lesson : if the story takes place in Latin America things don't go well something always happening in the brown hood.
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Uh ..... Racist
@@shelbybayer200 problem is I'm brown.
The first story always makes me uncomfortable. I can understand things from the perspective of both "sides"; maybe the mother going through with it was justified or maybe she should've "been stronger". idk. I don't think an answer is as easily reachable as it usually is, when it involves mental illness on top of everything else. Laws, the "family" factor, etc.
What makes it uncomfortable is that I've never settled on an opinion for it, no matter what I did. I try to see things from multiple perspectives, I try looking at it with personal experience, I take comments into account to try and try to form my opinion, but it never takes... hopefully, someday, I can settle on one side or another, but the world isn't black-and-white, though I sure wish it was sometimes...