If we think rationally in the current scenario we have enemies in all sides of our border after the current situations in Bangladesh and we are not at all prepared for 3-4 front war.
@@ancientwarrior2374 yeah you can say 3.5 or whatever. The point is we are surrounded and unprepared. Very bad situation for any feature deplomatic bargains.
@gu-gu-24hur it's already included in 3 , he was talking about the plan proposed to attack India internally from southern part by trained t*rrorist and those of radic*l mindset while Indian armed forces are busy on other 2 fronts and now potentially 3 . So 3 frontal war + .5 civil
I think talking about f-35 is senseless for IAF because it can't be compatible with the S-400 defence system which is a Russian technology. The US kicked out Turkey from f-35 program because they acquired S-400.
It seems all hell has broken loose among Indian war planners, strategists, and air force enthusiasts ever since they heard the news of Pakistan's acquisition of fifth-generation jets in the near future.
Yes. That's how any sane person should react. You don't want technical infriority from two enemies at the same time. Every country plans like that. Every war planner plans like that. Indians want Air force and Amry to use indigenous weaponry. But not at the cost of becoming weakening ourselves in the process.
China has had 5th gen for ages they didn't panic then, but when Pakistan is near acquiring them then they "panic". Why were they not panicking when China had them or the US or NATO allies?
Incomplete aircarfts are better then absense of aircarft, har chiz me weakness hi dhundhte rehna hai to fir ek din aisa ayega IAF k sqadrans 20 aake reh jayenge aur china aur pakistan hamare border pe khade honge
For certain people in our country there can be only one complete aircraft and that aircraft is one and only rafale. Rafale is supposed to be an "Be all and end all of all the completeness".
Second issue aap log jitna marzi shor machao…. IAF will not buy anything… till they get smashed in air combat …india had no counter to AMRAAM till after balakot….
@@Someguy-z3kconsider the pilot very very lucky…now Pakistan has purchased PL-15 from Chinese…it will be hard to evade this missile or even jam it…IAF meanwhile will keep changing their requirements and never purchase anything
@Someguy-z3k indian living in their delusional world only one missile was fired at su 30 and it hit that su 30 bcz the missile shown by IAF has got its proximity fuse blown clearly indicating su 30 was hit and destroyed.
Faltu nahin bola tha. That's wrong information. IAF had rejected the Su-57 due to rejection of Russia to accommodate Indian requirements and the denial of TOT ehich was promised before. And even now, Su57 is no where close to the FGFA promised to the Indian Airforce.
jab american weapon lobbies netas aur army generals k jeb mai bhar bhar k dollars dalte he, tab becharo k pass tote k tarah unka script padhna hi padta he
The F-35, took its first flight in 2006, has been plagued with persistent software issues since its inception. After nearly two decades, the program continues to struggle with unresolved technical challenges, including low mission-capable rates, unreliable software, and maintenance problems that have driven up costs astronomically. Despite 9 years of additional development and countless billions of dollars, the F-35 remains an incomplete platform, eroding confidence among even its most enthusiastic buyers. India, on the other hand, offers an even more "ambitious" narrative with its so-called fifth-generation AMCA program. For years, India has loudly proclaimed its ability to develop a cutting-edge fighter, yet even the basic drawings are far from finalized. Decades of announcements have produced little more than grandiose claims, with tangible progress nowhere in sight. At this pace, India would be fortunate to field a prototype by 2035-one that might just match the technology of a 2020-era platform. But hey, at least they’re keeping their PowerPoint design teams busy. While the world debates delays with the F-35, India seems perfectly content to remain stuck in the "powerpoint phase" of development. It’s a phase where dazzling presentations and colorful graphics keep the dream alive-just not in the air. Perhaps the AMCA will arrive in time to counter sixth- or even seventh-generation fighters... but only if those too remain confined to other nations' slideshows.
@@anubratadas4911I never said that. The J-35 might face some initial teething issues, but these can be resolved quickly. Unlike the F-35, it hasn't been offered to multiple countries, with Pakistan as its primary partner. This exclusivity ensures focused production, swift maintenance support, and tailored solutions, avoiding the delays and complexities that come with catering to diverse international customers.
So you are telling that copied is better than original, not even in dreams can china touch usa in terms of perfection, I don't say that Chinese tech is bad but they have to strive a lot to achieve the standards of west😂
I think going with indigenous program is a far better strategy than acquiring at full scale while acquiring 3-4 squadrons and paralley working on indigenous sounds good strategy. If we develop our own Jet by 2035 too it will take a short time to transition it in sixth generation cause we would have developed ecosystems surrounding development and assembly infrastructure. On the other hand if we procure jets at full scale from US they'll restrict our use and if we go to Russia they would not give 100% ToT.
The F35's development is really interesting. They haven't stopped work on it for a second, they're constantly working on incremental updates to make sure it keepts it's superiority for a long long time.
india and russia were jointly developing a 5th gen fighter. then we pulled out of that program by saying that we will develop one by our own. russia was able to make there own fighter so what happened to indian program? why russia did and we couldn't?
We were part of that program called T 50 PAK FA on which Russians made the Sukhoi 57, our Indian program is AMCA ,it was neglated initially with budgets and priority by govt but later they got somewhat serious now, it is scheduled to be having first flight by 2028 and service induction by 2030 . Russians , Americans , French were having mature aerospace industries and making military aircrafts since it is invented. While we have to develop 4th gen fighter from ground up without prior expertise of 3rd or below gen.
@@sayansp1105 We were putting in more money than our Russian counterparts but they denied us the full TOT so it was natural for us to pull out of the programme.
1- he said F35 is more than enough to counter J35 2- from copying Flankers to creating indigenous designs like JH7, J10, J20, J35, making huge leaps in Engine tech and other aviation avenues ... China has a shown it can move faster than the west combined with its F35.
It's funny to me how the Su-57 has just barely gotten baked (we still have not seen 1 production unit of the Su-57M with the AL51's where it's really complete, but they say it's next) 10 years after flying, yet some genius Indians in comments want to go with the Su-75 which hasn't even flown yet. Bhai, they just want us to fund the R&D since they can't, and that'll only be done well into AMCA timeline if ever.
it is this overconfidence which is entertaining to watch. so now you are comparing HAL to Russian aviation industry?? we can't even make 4th gen jet properly forget AMCA. DON'T BELIVE IN YOUR OWN PROPOGANDA.
Yup. India would end up as a guinea pig 🐷 for experimental R&D projects of foreign countries. The only thing India would get is a big bill. DRDO meanwhile will be sleeping 😴 while claiming the work done was a joint effort. None of it is good for India.l and it's an incredible waste of money.
Ok.... Indian companies should now wind up Textiles and Cermaic industries in Bangladesh and put 100 percent tarrifs on Bangladeshi textiles and ceramic. Whole economy of Bangladesh will go bust over night. As of Indian products... Are bangaldeshis not going to eat or take medicine or buy electronics or not use machinery? Oh wait they do. What if India raises prices of all that to meet global prices? From syringes to advanced medical equipments..... Every thing they use is Indian.
Hahahahahahaha😂😂😂 sure. America will give its aircraft to Russia's little puppy 😂😂😂. Keep dreaming, your only option is begging for the barely stealthy su57.
@@bhuttonawazgandu9107if china can giv e j35 to its slave then why not usa give to india f35 with money but that's a us policy they don't give f35 the country who has s-400
F35 delivery delays are already frustrating Europe. the F-35 program indicates that software issues could halt production, delaying international F-35 deliveries. Poland, Switzerland, the Czech Republic, Canada, Germany and Finland have bought F-35s scheduled for delivery between 2025 and the early 2030s. Even if you order F35 today you won't be getting it before 2030, that's if they strictly adhere to the schedules. Same case with Rafale. The French military has placed an order for 42 more Rafale fighter jets to be delivered between 2027 and 2032. Dassault has 229 Rafales on its order books to date: 159 for export and 70 for France. So you aren't getting any worth mentioning fighter before 2035 even if you place order today. No such delays with J35 order today and delivery starts instantly.
The current scenario highlights the lack of any strategic thinking on part of political leadership. Sabre-rattling and laser eyed Jaishankar ain't gonna save Vishwaguru. The navy is looking most competent, but it also suffers from the same problem. There is no vision, no planning of what is the role Vishwaguru in future. We are just Vishwagurus in our minds, we love to express fanatically our feelings on social media and then we eat and sleep. Now when PAF is getting edge the strategic thinkers are waking up (or they are waiting official delivery of J35, to do something.) Anyways, Vishwaguru believes in Buddha and not Yuddh so this might be the ultimate strategic thinking. Cheers!
Likely Tejas MK1A and MK2 production lines will run for a lot longer than most think... ...which is just fine 👍 My only wish was that ORCA was added to that list.
F22 raptor is the only true stealth 5th gen fighter . All other so called 5th gen fighters have exposed engines which makes them easy to track on radars.
Then why do you ask other to make it for you will make it and show it very soon.your aircraft often crashes automatically like mig 29,su30,🤣🤣🤣 this is your technology 🤔
Same thing that i am really scared about AMCA , about it's Operational costs, Remember developing a 5+gen jet it is not big deal for big economy and with proper resource but to overcome the Operational cost of 5 generation jet that a big issues, if we can overcome and achieve the low Operational costs then it will be called that our Amca is successful,
IAF and Army ko imported maal ki aadat ho gaayee hai. Indian Navy are real leaders. Their equipments are much more complex in terms of materials, Design & engineering. Still the level of indigenous platforms are more. IAF & Army are like bigde hua bacche. Ghar ke khaane se jyada bahar ka imported chocolate chahiye.
F-35 and Rafale fighter jet deliveries face significant delays, with orders placed today unlikely to arrive before 2035 due to backlogs and production issues. In contrast, the J-35 offers immediate delivery upon order.
Thing is, India is good at Economy, while we aren't. We are in a situation where we are continuously told that are existence is at risk. Don't know if it's true or just a propaganda. So we have to purchase military equipment just to get that Competitive edge over our Enemies. Only sensible reply is appreciated.
I agree with you completely. Also, don't try to find sensible replies here. 90% of the people here are Modi fans, who think India is a superpower because Modi and Modi's news channels have been barking about it for years.
Buying weapons is never good for pakistan. You can never win a war against india. Buying 5th gen jet may give you a qualitative edge against IAF but war is decided mainly on the back of manpower and economy. You are nowhere near. China is just arming pakistan to keep india in check. Its an unjustified cold war, which is forcing both countries to spend on arms.
F35 won't be offered... Even if it is offered, neither will be in its full potential, nor without developer (US) oversight and restrictions on useable scenarios. Leave alone the integration part.
There is an alternative solution to this. Just expedite the AMCA program and in the meantime improve the radar and missile tech that can detect 5th Gen aircraft. It is being said that the WWII era radars are able to detect the 5th Gen fighters easily. We shouldn't go for any acquisition from other countries because then we will forever be dependent on them.
IAF fought Sabrejets and F104 Starfighters with Gnats and Hunters. A squadron or two of CHINESE 5th gen fighters don’t pose a threat. Real threat is the tens of squadrons of 5th gen in service with China. For that we need more squadrons of SU upgrades or Rafales or anything similar in near term
@ No doubt- what I’m saying is that there is urgent need for building quantity, because quality may not be as quickly available. Even a few squadron of Super SU-30s will add more depth
the only available platfirm currently is the Su57, while the F35 could be offered if situation deteriorates between india and china. while china has its eyes set on becoming a superpower both economically and militarily, indua wants to try and control the neighbouring states, to the point where even bangladesh may be offered the J35.
India wants to control neighbouring states ? 😂 wish it were true, but reality is India keeps sleeping and allows neighbouring states to grow too much charbi Had it been like Russia, China or USA then these namakharam neighbouring states of India would have been massacred by now But instead vishwafeku is still giving these namakharam states all kinds of freebies and preferential treatment instead of slapping them with sanctions, covert ops and military actions
Counter can be easily with installation of powerful quantum radars and satellites with data linking ai integration and missile systems 😊 . A loss of even single fighter jet means costly affairs whereas missile are cheaper, highly advance, quick, maneuver, agile with high precision 😊 . Radars can track down many multiple targets at once and then boom boom chakalaka 😅😅😅 Should go for Russian new engine and su75 development program as su75 will be very handy and cost effective solution when produced here. Thanks for letting us know happenings around.
situation suggests that either F35 or SU57 is required here, I guess SU57 is still a better option for us since we were a part of this program decades ago, having them in limited numbers and replacing critical components with the ones developed for AMCA can give us more room for mods until AMCA is inducted
More stealth less features. Less stealth more features... That's the basic conclusion of 5th gen jets. 5th gen is good for surgical strike. For dog fight 4.5 is enough. Pakistan getting 5th gen does put us at disadvantage but only if we are facing 2 front war.
Something is better than nothing. Same problems exist for the J-35. F-35 is good but yes DM is right, it takes a lot to maintain it because of how advanced it is. Su-57 is the best option due to our existing integration with Russian equipment in the IAF. I think India can also integrate indigenous weapons into the Su-57.
Buddy, its not aonly 1 jet vs 1 jet. Theres a whole systm operating behind a platform and they dly in formations. So F22 will always beat rafales or any other non stealth jet..
Agar F-35 aur Su-57 incomplete hein toh phir J-35 kaise complete hai? When it comes to avionics,j-35 doesn't even come close to su-57 or F-35,let alone matching their performance
KF21 Bromae is not a complete 5th Aircraft. It's a 4.5+ generation Still underdevelopment n certification 🎉🎉. SU57 could be the only option with 3 squadrons like 72 until our AMCA rolls out faster and before than Tejas MK2
even if US offers F35, it would take long period for delivery since they have commitments to deliver to other NATO nations first. So it would take almost 7-8 yrs to get them for India , Su-57 maybe a good choice but its stealth features are questionable . either way its gonna take some while.
Sending our pilots in MiG21 or Tejas or even in Sukhoi to fight with proper 5th gen fighters are like sending a soldier with just bow & arrow in a gunfights. The huge cost of decades of our lethargy will be bear by our pilots.
Can tell one thing, there won't be any US F35s will ever be given to India and depending on US for Indian airforce will hit very hard to India, best bet for India start collaboration with Russia on its SU75 and acquire it in coming 2 to 3 years while get new Russian engines for AMCA
We need to understand the fact that there's Nothing Like A Complete Aircraft!! F-22 has come the closest to being called a complete aircraft, And it has it's limitations and Flaws as well despite being so damn costly! Given all that and Our Budget limitations as well as the Freedom We get woth Russian Platforms to incorporate our Own systems and weapons ... Su-57 should be the best option .
Indian airforce to busy Hain mig21 KO 1 Saal or rakhne KO Jahan china Pakistan taizi say agay bharaiga Raha hai Indian airforce 1960 main chal rahi hai too late
India must not fall into trap of importpreet singh + chandigarh lobby to import 5th gen aircraft we must forget manned platforms and only go for unmanned systems this situation ironically might be a blessing in disguise, but unfortunately chandigarh lobby+congress are the hurdle as usual
@@kushagravlogs5627 all fault is of your fathers (congress +chandigarh lobby). only because of ModiJi, IAF even inducted Rafale, Tejas Mk1 and will also indict Mk1a and Mk2. UPA inducted 0 fighters in 10yrs because all money was stolen
@utsavgoswami5263 congress was going to buy 126 rafael aircraft in 2013. But modi government cancelled that deal and buy only 36 Tejas. Modi stopped the funding for kaveri engine on November 2014. Further development stopped. Tejas was developed before 2014. Tejas mk 1 and mk 2 are just upgradation version of Tejas. These aircraft are not ready yet as India doesn't have engine. Manmohan government bought many su30 aircraft Modi is the worst prime minister ever
@@kushagravlogs5627 and NDA under ABV created the Su30 MKI and its procurement. UPA destroyed IAF to please china. and when ModiJI acquired Rafale, what did congress do - ran to supreme court to stop acquisition. shameless gaddar
Bhai counter attack jet se krte he air defense se nhi. Ham war me andar kese jaenge pakistan ke? Hamare rafale and su30 or unke j35. Air defense se defense kr skte he pr attack nhi
If India has to get 5th gen fighters, then Bharat must not go for US platform keeping in mind that US is double edge sword. India is slowly coming to know this. 57 is far better option for India.
IAF doing great work, Indian Tejas Mk 1A is much better than chinese junk fighters with junk engines for bhikaristan who won't even have money to keep track of maintenance
Believe me j35 is a very good aircraft in modern worship game everyone favorite but at the same time in mw su57m was a legendry strike fighter and price is way more then j35 in the market of mw and overall totall dmg also better
F-35 is incomplete by design.. It was a intended for joint production ergo export variant. Also it is not an option for India. Su-57 has a better case than F-35 for India.
Its frustrating that neither Indian government not even keyboard analyst consider huge chinese forces as real threat rather they still consider pakistan as a threat. Sochiye china se war hoga tab kya hoga ??? Pakistan ka nam lena choro
Fighter jets don't win fights . Explosives do , we need robust rocket and complete indigenous sub systems and fuel . Pakistan is not a threat to India , in a full scale war they will be left in ruins whether they had 5th gen fighters or not and in a limited war both the countries receives damage . J35 cannot stop an armada of brahmos , itcm, pralay ,etc. If Pakistan was a geographically huge country like India or China then it would be a bigger problem to hit critical locations . In case of a war with China we would definitely need better and more fighter jets , awacs , refuelers , airbases,Ghatak like systems , and most importantly, aggression.
IAF is in deep sleep right now. Only the Navy has the foresight for future threat
Just like MRFA , P75 i program is also getting delayed since decades, it's not the forces it's the government that has zero foresight
In Deep Slumber Today,
In Deep Shit Tomorrow.
true
It is GOI which is in sleep. Any decision on new fighters is taken by GOI. IAF only gives it's requirement.
Iaf in sleep meanwhile comment bots are awake......they know more about iaf.....think sense before commenting
If we think rationally in the current scenario we have enemies in all sides of our border after the current situations in Bangladesh and we are not at all prepared for 3-4 front war.
what is 4th front ? or do you mean 3.5 ?
@@ancientwarrior23744th is ocean China has submarines alot of submarines
Mayanmar is an unstable country and favourable to China...also we have foes in Nepal. The only friendly neighbor we have is Bhutan.
@@ancientwarrior2374 yeah you can say 3.5 or whatever. The point is we are surrounded and unprepared. Very bad situation for any feature deplomatic bargains.
@gu-gu-24hur it's already included in 3 , he was talking about the plan proposed to attack India internally from southern part by trained t*rrorist and those of radic*l mindset while Indian armed forces are busy on other 2 fronts and now potentially 3 . So 3 frontal war + .5 civil
I think talking about f-35 is senseless for IAF because it can't be compatible with the S-400 defence system which is a Russian technology. The US kicked out Turkey from f-35 program because they acquired S-400.
No that's not the big issue
The big issue is u don't have the freedom of weapon u always have to inform usa before doing any activity with us jets
@@gu-gu-24hur but it's are superior plane than other it's can give confidence....
@@dhananjoybiswas1154 no no for sure f35 nothing close to su57 M
Like su 57 only one little compromise but f35 other than 1 advantage every other thing compromise
Matrix on plot side sasta Nasha 😂😂😂
Bhang
So what to expect
It seems all hell has broken loose among Indian war planners, strategists, and air force enthusiasts ever since they heard the news of Pakistan's acquisition of fifth-generation jets in the near future.
Yes. That's how any sane person should react. You don't want technical infriority from two enemies at the same time.
Every country plans like that. Every war planner plans like that.
Indians want Air force and Amry to use indigenous weaponry. But not at the cost of becoming weakening ourselves in the process.
China has had 5th gen for ages they didn't panic then, but when Pakistan is near acquiring them then they "panic".
Why were they not panicking when China had them or the US or NATO allies?
Incomplete aircarfts are better then absense of aircarft, har chiz me weakness hi dhundhte rehna hai to fir ek din aisa ayega IAF k sqadrans 20 aake reh jayenge aur china aur pakistan hamare border pe khade honge
Well said and aptly said.
Sirf pakistan china hee nahi Bangladesh, burma aur bhutan bhi kadha hoojayege (if Bangladesh already has not done it)
ज़्यादा दिन दूर नहीं है - July 2027 तक या तो बॉर्डर पर खड़े होंगे और या फ़िर बॉर्डर पार कर हिन्दुस्तान की धरती खड़े होंगे।
We need to understand that There's Nothing Like A Complete Aircraft!
For certain people in our country there can be only one complete aircraft and that aircraft is one and only rafale.
Rafale is supposed to be an
"Be all and end all of all the completeness".
Second issue aap log jitna marzi shor machao…. IAF will not buy anything… till they get smashed in air combat …india had no counter to AMRAAM till after balakot….
Meteor , Astra mk 1 and 2 and also long range I derby ER and Russian R77 Er were purchased after Balakot
Not a single amraam was able to hit a single su30. Lol
@@Someguy-z3kconsider the pilot very very lucky…now Pakistan has purchased PL-15 from Chinese…it will be hard to evade this missile or even jam it…IAF meanwhile will keep changing their requirements and never purchase anything
@@nikhilkumarsharma8629 astra 2 and astra 3 have far more range than 145km pl15
@Someguy-z3k indian living in their delusional world only one missile was fired at su 30 and it hit that su 30 bcz the missile shown by IAF has got its proximity fuse blown clearly indicating su 30 was hit and destroyed.
57 ko India Teen Char sal pahle sabse faltu fighter bataya tha bakwas fighter feed general nahin hai abhi Vahi fighter hai
Faltu nahin bola tha. That's wrong information. IAF had rejected the Su-57 due to rejection of Russia to accommodate Indian requirements and the denial of TOT ehich was promised before. And even now, Su57 is no where close to the FGFA promised to the Indian Airforce.
jab american weapon lobbies netas aur army generals k jeb mai bhar bhar k dollars dalte he, tab becharo k pass tote k tarah unka script padhna hi padta he
Becoz it was using su35 old engine and its had stealth issues but now they improve upon them and using new engine
@shubam8625 Even AL 51 isn't the engine it was promised to be
@@shubam8625to inko pata nai tha 😂😂😂 new engine b bana raha h Russia
The F-35, took its first flight in 2006, has been plagued with persistent software issues since its inception. After nearly two decades, the program continues to struggle with unresolved technical challenges, including low mission-capable rates, unreliable software, and maintenance problems that have driven up costs astronomically. Despite 9 years of additional development and countless billions of dollars, the F-35 remains an incomplete platform, eroding confidence among even its most enthusiastic buyers.
India, on the other hand, offers an even more "ambitious" narrative with its so-called fifth-generation AMCA program. For years, India has loudly proclaimed its ability to develop a cutting-edge fighter, yet even the basic drawings are far from finalized. Decades of announcements have produced little more than grandiose claims, with tangible progress nowhere in sight. At this pace, India would be fortunate to field a prototype by 2035-one that might just match the technology of a 2020-era platform. But hey, at least they’re keeping their PowerPoint design teams busy.
While the world debates delays with the F-35, India seems perfectly content to remain stuck in the "powerpoint phase" of development. It’s a phase where dazzling presentations and colorful graphics keep the dream alive-just not in the air. Perhaps the AMCA will arrive in time to counter sixth- or even seventh-generation fighters... but only if those too remain confined to other nations' slideshows.
You think J-35 is absolutely flawless?😂😂😂 You must be high on weed😂😂
@@anubratadas4911I never said that. The J-35 might face some initial teething issues, but these can be resolved quickly. Unlike the F-35, it hasn't been offered to multiple countries, with Pakistan as its primary partner. This exclusivity ensures focused production, swift maintenance support, and tailored solutions, avoiding the delays and complexities that come with catering to diverse international customers.
@@anubratadas4911 Elon Mask: Idiots" Building the F-35😂😂😂
So you are telling that copied is better than original, not even in dreams can china touch usa in terms of perfection, I don't say that Chinese tech is bad but they have to strive a lot to achieve the standards of west😂
I think going with indigenous program is a far better strategy than acquiring at full scale while acquiring 3-4 squadrons and paralley working on indigenous sounds good strategy. If we develop our own Jet by 2035 too it will take a short time to transition it in sixth generation cause we would have developed ecosystems surrounding development and assembly infrastructure. On the other hand if we procure jets at full scale from US they'll restrict our use and if we go to Russia they would not give 100% ToT.
You said China maal.... why your pets are wet now... 😂
The F35's development is really interesting.
They haven't stopped work on it for a second, they're constantly working on incremental updates to make sure it keepts it's superiority for a long long time.
Against China, the F-35 lost its edge already.
india and russia were jointly developing a 5th gen fighter. then we pulled out of that program by saying that we will develop one by our own. russia was able to make there own fighter so what happened to indian program? why russia did and we couldn't?
We were part of that program called T 50 PAK FA on which Russians made the Sukhoi 57, our Indian program is AMCA ,it was neglated initially with budgets and priority by govt but later they got somewhat serious now, it is scheduled to be having first flight by 2028 and service induction by 2030 .
Russians , Americans , French were having mature aerospace industries and making military aircrafts since it is invented.
While we have to develop 4th gen fighter from ground up without prior expertise of 3rd or below gen.
We don't have the technology
they have
We don't have experience
They have
@@sayansp1105 We were putting in more money than our Russian counterparts but they denied us the full TOT so it was natural for us to pull out of the programme.
@@siddharthsahu7123 nice explanation and our slow behaviour is also responsible for this
Before Putin coment on Modi yoga su-57 was a great fighter jet
Ego of Modi will destroy IAF
But the same argument can be made about j 35 as well… it may not be fully complete as well…. Just like jf 17 came in blocks
1- he said F35 is more than enough to counter J35
2- from copying Flankers to creating indigenous designs like JH7, J10, J20, J35, making huge leaps in Engine tech and other aviation avenues ... China has a shown it can move faster than the west combined with its F35.
It's funny to me how the Su-57 has just barely gotten baked (we still have not seen 1 production unit of the Su-57M with the AL51's where it's really complete, but they say it's next) 10 years after flying, yet some genius Indians in comments want to go with the Su-75 which hasn't even flown yet. Bhai, they just want us to fund the R&D since they can't, and that'll only be done well into AMCA timeline if ever.
it is this overconfidence which is entertaining to watch. so now you are comparing HAL to Russian aviation industry?? we can't even make 4th gen jet properly forget AMCA. DON'T BELIVE IN YOUR OWN PROPOGANDA.
Yup.
India would end up as a guinea pig 🐷 for experimental R&D projects of foreign countries.
The only thing India would get is a big bill.
DRDO meanwhile will be sleeping 😴 while claiming the work done was a joint effort.
None of it is good for India.l and it's an incredible waste of money.
Good news for India :
Boycott Indian Products Started in Bangladesh 😊😊😊😊
bkmkb
😂😂😂 90 percent medicine goes to bangladesh and even pakistan manufacturers in india . Bangladesh still buying this medicines
Ok.... Indian companies should now wind up Textiles and Cermaic industries in Bangladesh and put 100 percent tarrifs on Bangladeshi textiles and ceramic.
Whole economy of Bangladesh will go bust over night.
As of Indian products... Are bangaldeshis not going to eat or take medicine or buy electronics or not use machinery?
Oh wait they do. What if India raises prices of all that to meet global prices?
From syringes to advanced medical equipments..... Every thing they use is Indian.
Good news for Bangladesh - ur biggest textile industrial park beximco shuts down
Gobar Lagao Corona Bagao,
Vishva Guru Bharat..🇮🇳
India should deal for f35 block 4 earlier with xa-100 adaptive cycle engine. So, that we get this on first serve basis
भाई ये अमेरिका किस खुशी में हमें देगा F 404 इंजिन तो नहीं दे रहा 😅😅
Hahahahahahaha😂😂😂 sure. America will give its aircraft to Russia's little puppy 😂😂😂. Keep dreaming, your only option is begging for the barely stealthy su57.
@@bhuttonawazgandu9107if china can j35 to its slave why not usa give f35 to india for money
@@bhuttonawazgandu9107if china can giv e j35 to its slave then why not usa give to india f35 with money but that's a us policy they don't give f35 the country who has s-400
F35 delivery delays are already frustrating Europe. the F-35 program indicates that software issues could halt production, delaying international F-35 deliveries.
Poland, Switzerland, the Czech Republic, Canada, Germany and Finland have bought F-35s scheduled for delivery between 2025 and the early 2030s.
Even if you order F35 today you won't be getting it before 2030, that's if they strictly adhere to the schedules.
Same case with Rafale. The French military has placed an order for 42 more Rafale fighter jets to be delivered between 2027 and 2032.
Dassault has 229 Rafales on its order books to date: 159 for export and 70 for France.
So you aren't getting any worth mentioning fighter before 2035 even if you place order today.
No such delays with J35 order today and delivery starts instantly.
Good things takes time..
Making shit doesn't
but israeli's found a way to make f 35 efficient they changed code and tweaked it to their requirement's and turned it inti f 35i hadir...
China didn't say it can start J-35 delivery to Pakistan instantly your media is exaggerating to scare India. A psychological tactic.
Who said J-35 delivery to Pakistan will start instantly?😂😂Your joker media?
Yeah because there are no customers for that particular aircraft except you so it's only natural to have no delays
Good morning ❤
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
The current scenario highlights the lack of any strategic thinking on part of political leadership. Sabre-rattling and laser eyed Jaishankar ain't gonna save Vishwaguru. The navy is looking most competent, but it also suffers from the same problem. There is no vision, no planning of what is the role Vishwaguru in future. We are just Vishwagurus in our minds, we love to express fanatically our feelings on social media and then we eat and sleep. Now when PAF is getting edge the strategic thinkers are waking up (or they are waiting official delivery of J35, to do something.) Anyways, Vishwaguru believes in Buddha and not Yuddh so this might be the ultimate strategic thinking. Cheers!
People should also consider number matters even we should keep increasing Tejas number or other aircraft
Likely Tejas MK1A and MK2 production lines will run for a lot longer than most think...
...which is just fine 👍
My only wish was that ORCA was added to that list.
an airforce which shot down its own mi 17on feb 27 2019 lol, what can you expect from such incompetent VAYU MANY SENAlol
F22 raptor is the only true stealth 5th gen fighter .
All other so called 5th gen fighters have exposed engines which makes them easy to track on radars.
They are not allowed to sell the f22. Its against their law…..
Agree
Pakistan will develop the PF-X into a true 5th gen by 2030.
@@justsain3236 Paisa h ya IMF pe hi paise par chalega
Bhai Jan Kam se Kam aap se to advance hn air force mn
Tea was fantastic @@swetankbharti1409
Pakistan, Bangladesh, China... India is slowly being surrounded. Who next? Maldives to receive Chinese aircraft?
under the umbrella of S400 forgot F-35
USA khabhi bhi India ko f35 nhi da ga ku k har bar Pakistan India ki technology steal kar lata ha😂
Both of these options are impossible for both russia and usa.he is not giving you an engine so what will a fifth generation fighter give you.😂😂😂😂
Don't talk like this , u haven't made j 35 😒 , make your own then compit with us ,
Then why do you ask other to make it for you will make it and show it very soon.your aircraft often crashes automatically like mig 29,su30,🤣🤣🤣 this is your technology 🤔
India is Waiting A Alien jet for IAF 😂😂
F 35 is in complete jet hahahaha
Same thing that i am really scared about AMCA , about it's Operational costs, Remember developing a 5+gen jet it is not big deal for big economy and with proper resource but to overcome the Operational cost of 5 generation jet that a big issues, if we can overcome and achieve the low Operational costs then it will be called that our Amca is successful,
IAF and Army ko imported maal ki aadat ho gaayee hai. Indian Navy are real leaders. Their equipments are much more complex in terms of materials, Design & engineering. Still the level of indigenous platforms are more. IAF & Army are like bigde hua bacche. Ghar ke khaane se jyada bahar ka imported chocolate chahiye.
F-35 and Rafale fighter jet deliveries face significant delays, with orders placed today unlikely to arrive before 2035 due to backlogs and production issues. In contrast, the J-35 offers immediate delivery upon order.
Thing is, India is good at Economy, while we aren't. We are in a situation where we are continuously told that are existence is at risk. Don't know if it's true or just a propaganda. So we have to purchase military equipment just to get that Competitive edge over our Enemies. Only sensible reply is appreciated.
I agree with you completely. Also, don't try to find sensible replies here. 90% of the people here are Modi fans, who think India is a superpower because Modi and Modi's news channels have been barking about it for years.
Indian airforce and Pakistani economy is in same condition for the same reason.
They don't have control over decision and budget
Ur army generals don't want pakistani economy to prosper by that they can show u that buying weapons is necessary and get massive commission by it
@@prashantpandey4518 Might be possible
Buying weapons is never good for pakistan. You can never win a war against india. Buying 5th gen jet may give you a qualitative edge against IAF but war is decided mainly on the back of manpower and economy. You are nowhere near.
China is just arming pakistan to keep india in check. Its an unjustified cold war, which is forcing both countries to spend on arms.
F35 won't be offered... Even if it is offered, neither will be in its full potential, nor without developer (US) oversight and restrictions on useable scenarios.
Leave alone the integration part.
There is an alternative solution to this. Just expedite the AMCA program and in the meantime improve the radar and missile tech that can detect 5th Gen aircraft. It is being said that the WWII era radars are able to detect the 5th Gen fighters easily. We shouldn't go for any acquisition from other countries because then we will forever be dependent on them.
IAF ko sidha Thanos ka spaceship chahiye 😂 usse niche kuch accept nahi karenge ye Mr perfects
How Israel uses F35 efficiently.
Name one good Airforce in Israel 's adversary, most of them don't even have an Airforce the best one which is Iran has 1980s aircraft in response
They never face Paf like battle enemies, whenever they will face paf so the efficiency will down 👎
Bcoz Israel is puppet state of USA, and USA always help those countries which lick their boots... Like Japan too.
@@fazalullahkhan4324INDIA BROKE Pakistan INTO BANGLADESH 😅
@@fazalullahkhan4324 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻♂️ Who is stopping PAF then??
45000 tickets have already been booked.. what r they waiting for??
IAF fought Sabrejets and F104 Starfighters with Gnats and Hunters. A squadron or two of CHINESE 5th gen fighters don’t pose a threat. Real threat is the tens of squadrons of 5th gen in service with China. For that we need more squadrons of SU upgrades or Rafales or anything similar in near term
delusion is a real thing!
@@averagestudent5223you are indeed an average student and remain an average student
@ Paki average student… if your army taught you a different history, it’s not our problem. Take training for standing in aate ki line
And we didn't have proper air superiority in several cases, and we were on the backfoot in many engagements.
Those fighters are definitely a threat.
@ No doubt- what I’m saying is that there is urgent need for building quantity, because quality may not be as quickly available. Even a few squadron of Super SU-30s will add more depth
German Shepherd : Do we really need air force ??
USA has categorically said that due to S-400 system, USA will not give F-35 to india or turkey.
If everything goes right, we can have at least 1 squadron of 5th GEN aircraft by the year 2347.
Might as well go with the incomplete 5th gen than the non-existent 5th gen jets
the only available platfirm currently is the Su57, while the F35 could be offered if situation deteriorates between india and china. while china has its eyes set on becoming a superpower both economically and militarily, indua wants to try and control the neighbouring states, to the point where even bangladesh may be offered the J35.
Bangladesh does not have any strategic ambitions, it does not spends much on weapons, neither it has any threats. Unlikely it will acquire J35
India wants to control neighbouring states ? 😂 wish it were true, but reality is India keeps sleeping and allows neighbouring states to grow too much charbi
Had it been like Russia, China or USA then these namakharam neighbouring states of India would have been massacred by now
But instead vishwafeku is still giving these namakharam states all kinds of freebies and preferential treatment instead of slapping them with sanctions, covert ops and military actions
Counter can be easily with installation of powerful quantum radars and satellites with data linking ai integration and missile systems 😊 . A loss of even single fighter jet means costly affairs whereas missile are cheaper, highly advance, quick, maneuver, agile with high precision 😊 . Radars can track down many multiple targets at once and then boom boom chakalaka 😅😅😅
Should go for Russian new engine and su75 development program as su75 will be very handy and cost effective solution when produced here. Thanks for letting us know happenings around.
happens when you do overdose of gaumutra
As per Ukraine experience, Future is Drones. These are very expensive white elephants
drone technology is not yet advanced enough to do missions of a manned fighter.
वंदेमातरम् 🇮🇳
situation suggests that either F35 or SU57 is required here, I guess SU57 is still a better option for us since we were a part of this program decades ago, having them in limited numbers and replacing critical components with the ones developed for AMCA can give us more room for mods until AMCA is inducted
F 35 with S 400
Best of luck
More stealth less features. Less stealth more features... That's the basic conclusion of 5th gen jets.
5th gen is good for surgical strike. For dog fight 4.5 is enough. Pakistan getting 5th gen does put us at disadvantage but only if we are facing 2 front war.
Something is better than nothing. Same problems exist for the J-35. F-35 is good but yes DM is right, it takes a lot to maintain it because of how advanced it is. Su-57 is the best option due to our existing integration with Russian equipment in the IAF. I think India can also integrate indigenous weapons into the Su-57.
I have always admired Pakistan's resource full ness..... We must learn from our rivals too....
Buy more rafales it can defeat all the 5th generation aircrafts put together, f-22, f-35, j-20/31/35, su-57, kf-21 borame all put together.
In an simulated training exercise rafale is known to have even defeated f-22.
Buddy, its not aonly 1 jet vs 1 jet. Theres a whole systm operating behind a platform and they dly in formations. So F22 will always beat rafales or any other non stealth jet..
that's bull shit @@sigma-sigma1
The radar of fifth generation jets are way head form the radars of 4.5 generation jets
Huh?
There's no choice actually su-57 is the only sensible option
Agar F-35 aur Su-57 incomplete hein toh phir J-35 kaise complete hai? When it comes to avionics,j-35 doesn't even come close to su-57 or F-35,let alone matching their performance
Slight correction F35 is not getting adaptive cyclical engine in it's upgrade
Yes, it's now planned for the future
Please discuss Kf 21 option also.
KF21 Bromae is not a complete 5th Aircraft. It's a 4.5+ generation
Still underdevelopment n certification 🎉🎉. SU57 could be the only option with 3 squadrons like 72 until our AMCA rolls out faster and before than Tejas MK2
South Korean stealth fighter jet will be one of the best option.
India needs atleast 5 squadron of SU 75 fifth generation stealth fighter jets
No one has ever seen a more hilarious video about F-35 figher jet's..😜
We have mig 21 and jaguar so right now we don't need fifth generation fighter jets .
Ye mast hai guru...
Mairay bhai. First you will have to use a US 4th gen before getting 5th gen. That means 20 years starting today.
even if US offers F35, it would take long period for delivery since they have commitments to deliver to other NATO nations first. So it would take almost 7-8 yrs to get them for India , Su-57 maybe a good choice but its stealth features are questionable . either way its gonna take some while.
India lost Su 57 and soon no one will offer F35 😮
Sending our pilots in MiG21 or Tejas or even in Sukhoi to fight with proper 5th gen fighters are like sending a soldier with just bow & arrow in a gunfights.
The huge cost of decades of our lethargy will be bear by our pilots.
we are only paper boys... the govt is planning to give some more extra colourful paper for playing...it only happens in india...
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Can tell one thing, there won't be any US F35s will ever be given to India and depending on US for Indian airforce will hit very hard to India, best bet for India start collaboration with Russia on its SU75 and acquire it in coming 2 to 3 years while get new Russian engines for AMCA
Hamare India ka history raha hai. Only Emergency Purchase.
Idhar fire 🔥 lagi ki bawdi ⛲ khodna chalu. 😂😂😂.
Abhi hum aram kar rahe hai.
भारत माता की जय 🇮🇳
बस मैं यही कहना चाहूंगा, 🫴😮💨 बेटा तुमसे ना हो पाएगा 😂
Iaf chiefs past and present meh koi bhi visionary nhi lage
जय हिंद 🇮🇳
Turkey F35 deal broke out due to S 400, so forget about F35
We need to understand the fact that there's Nothing Like A Complete Aircraft!!
F-22 has come the closest to being called a complete aircraft, And it has it's limitations and Flaws as well despite being so damn costly!
Given all that and Our Budget limitations as well as the Freedom We get woth Russian Platforms to incorporate our Own systems and weapons ... Su-57 should be the best option .
Buy f22 in not even an option
We should buy F 35 and use it as an benchmark for our AMCA
Just buy 4th gen first. IAF will be flying MiG21 for the next 10 years by hoping for intergalactic travel aircraft.
Indian airforce to busy Hain mig21 KO 1 Saal or rakhne KO Jahan china Pakistan taizi say agay bharaiga Raha hai Indian airforce 1960 main chal rahi hai too late
As if Chinese war plane are fully complete 😅😅
India must not fall into trap of importpreet singh + chandigarh lobby to import 5th gen aircraft
we must forget manned platforms and only go for unmanned systems
this situation ironically might be a blessing in disguise, but unfortunately chandigarh lobby+congress are the hurdle as usual
It is total failure of Modi government
@@kushagravlogs5627 all fault is of your fathers (congress +chandigarh lobby). only because of ModiJi, IAF even inducted Rafale, Tejas Mk1 and will also indict Mk1a and Mk2. UPA inducted 0 fighters in 10yrs because all money was stolen
@utsavgoswami5263 congress was going to buy 126 rafael aircraft in 2013. But modi government cancelled that deal and buy only 36 Tejas.
Modi stopped the funding for kaveri engine on November 2014. Further development stopped.
Tejas was developed before 2014.
Tejas mk 1 and mk 2 are just upgradation version of Tejas. These aircraft are not ready yet as India doesn't have engine.
Manmohan government bought many su30 aircraft
Modi is the worst prime minister ever
@@kushagravlogs5627 gaddar, ak antony ,your father prodly said in lok sabha that there is no money to acquire the126 mrfa. stop lying
@@kushagravlogs5627 and NDA under ABV created the Su30 MKI and its procurement.
UPA destroyed IAF to please china. and when ModiJI acquired Rafale, what did congress do - ran to supreme court to stop acquisition. shameless gaddar
S 500 coming 😊😊
Bhai counter attack jet se krte he air defense se nhi. Ham war me andar kese jaenge pakistan ke? Hamare rafale and su30 or unke j35. Air defense se defense kr skte he pr attack nhi
Attack kun Karna hai tum logon ko chai penay ka zyada Shok hai😂@@Vartik-jr4qr
@@humayonkhan343 chai to tum pi rahe the jab aadha desh hi india ne le liya tha tumse😂😂😂
Chai bhi to Chin se ata hoga. Katora pe? @@humayonkhan343
@@humayonkhan343 Pakistan has lost all wars with India 1948 1965 1971 Kargil 😂😂😂
India should intrest in KAAN 5th generation fighter jet
If anyone want to chose go for su-57... We can do things like su-30 MKI in this
भाई अबतक तेजस mk 1 a ही नहीं बना तो बाकी बात बेकार है😅😅
If India has to get 5th gen fighters, then Bharat must not go for US platform keeping in mind that US is double edge sword. India is slowly coming to know this. 57 is far better option for India.
IAF doing great work, Indian Tejas Mk 1A is much better than chinese junk fighters with junk engines for bhikaristan who won't even have money to keep track of maintenance
Believe me j35 is a very good aircraft in modern worship game everyone favorite but at the same time in mw su57m was a legendry strike fighter and price is way more then j35 in the market of mw and overall totall dmg also better
Handful number of vertical lift f35B on landing helicopter dock(LHD) will compliment aircraft carrier,
Bhai Clearly bola kr yrr... Beh Beh mat kiya kr....
IAF better get KF 21 and merge AMCA program with it and develop the 5th and 5.5 variant jointly with Korea
Meanwhile the iaf amca will take place around 2050
Su-57 lo aur indigenous bana do 😂 best option
F-35 is incomplete by design.. It was a intended for joint production ergo export variant. Also it is not an option for India. Su-57 has a better case than F-35 for India.
GOI in deep slumber.
Chalo F35 mature nahi h per tumhare pass to ha hi nahi
Its frustrating that neither Indian government not even keyboard analyst consider huge chinese forces as real threat rather they still consider pakistan as a threat. Sochiye china se war hoga tab kya hoga ??? Pakistan ka nam lena choro
"You can not see what doesn't exist!" 😎
- AMCA 🤡
Are tum jake imf se bheek mango sayad kuch mil jae kyu itna dimag laga rhe yha😂
@opbolte371 I am from Bharat! 😅 ...Just frustrated with how things are going with the progress of AMCA.
@@CAVEBOY-aum7y the things with amca is going well i dont know why you frustrated
Hum first
How mature is the J35 compared to F35? I find it hard to believe that a copy of F35 is more mature (complete) than F35 itself.
6:20
Bhai ek kaam karo fir, China ke sath hamare relations jab thode improve huye hain, fir unse hi j-20 ya j-35 lelo 🤡
F 35 is indeed more capable than J 31 but SU 57 might not........
Fighter jets don't win fights . Explosives do , we need robust rocket and complete indigenous sub systems and fuel . Pakistan is not a threat to India , in a full scale war they will be left in ruins whether they had 5th gen fighters or not and in a limited war both the countries receives damage . J35 cannot stop an armada of brahmos , itcm, pralay ,etc. If Pakistan was a geographically huge country like India or China then it would be a bigger problem to hit critical locations . In case of a war with China we would definitely need better and more fighter jets , awacs , refuelers , airbases,Ghatak like systems , and most importantly, aggression.
L lag gaye hai hamare 😂
India should go with su57 and tu 160 for better price negotiate