This video is a collab with my new editor! It’s the first main voice video I didn’t edit and I’m hoping it will allow for this channel to publish a lot more content! This video was made out of clips from a past live stream and clips from a group class lecture that clover and I do every 3 months.
> looking for a new voice > ask the voice store receptionist if the voice is buzzy or hollow > she doesn't understand > pull out a diagram explaining what is buzzy and what is hollow > she laughs and says "it's a good voice ma'am" > buy the voice > it's hollow
@@TransVoiceLessons I'm actually curious if there's a way to achieve that kind of voice (albeit a little less exaggerated) as a transfem person, It's like a sort of tomboyish masc voice that just ends up sounding, well, cismasc masc, when I do it, while the intent is to sound cisfem masc for lack of better terms.
It's nice to have actual terms for this, I always just called overfull SpongeBob and hollow Patrick 😅 I've become very acquainted with my SpongeBob and Patrick voices since I started practicing, I always end up at one or the other.
OMG It just clicked. FINALLY, I was stuck for weeks not being able to raise my R1 anymore, FINALLY found the muscles to be able raise my R1 out of that androgyny zone and into feminine zone. Wow that took way too long lol. Why was that so hard? Now I'm finally able to get my weight and resonance into the right place for that feminine sound, I was just stuck for so long.
wow! the fullness graph helps so much, I've definitely been switching back and forth between plateauing and boomeranging, can't wait to apply this in practice! thank you!!!!!
It's a very interesting observation that the perception of fullness or feminine voices in general vary from culture to culture. I'm from sweden and sometimes when I practice with these videos I try to say your english example words but then I immediately want to test how it sounds in swedish. I notice how I'm slightly regulating and modifying so that it sounds feminine in a swedish way and it works amazing and I'm glad I can apply your exercises to my mother-tounge as well. You guys mean a lot for the trans community, not only in the english speaking world.🙏❤🇸🇪
Hi!!!! I'm actually trying to learn Swedish right now and I can certainly relate to this so much, haha! I want to sound as passing as possible in all the languages that I could/am learning to speak so I actually practise 4 times. I still haven't grasped the nuances in Swedish pronunciation between males and females yet, apart from the fact that females tend to be more sing-song-y aka using the pitch accent more "exaggeratedly" with their speech compared to those who are male. That's probably because I just started learning about a week ago lol but I do hope that once I speak to a Swede, I'll sound like a cisgender female :D
Oh my god I just made such progress from your video thank you.Something just clicked in me. I totally understood the "hollow" dopey voice and how to make it, and by going from there and making my resonance smaller I got the closest i think I've EVER gotten to Full fem voice before!!!
cool. got recommended this vid via reddit post, and I did find it helpful. the idea of resonance, weight, etc was always complicated for me. this helped.
I just want to say, some of the points covered in this video helped connect some of the few remaining dots that I had. I already have a "passing" voice courtesy of the tips and tricks picked up over the past couple of years watching your content, but I have been trying to improve the different facets of my voice separately instead of unifying everything that I have learned up to this point. That graph/chart really helped. :)
This chart is really helping me learn how to pin point the underdeveloped aspects of my feminine voice and not have to guess if I'm doing it right haha SO FRICKIN COOL!!
Could you do a video on breathyness? I can control size and weight pretty well now, but using both a small size and a light sound introduces some breathyness in my voice that I can't seem to get rid of.
This was a really interesting video. Zhea alone is amazing, but having the additional perspective from Clover while exploring fullness really adds a whole new layer. I also thought that exploring how varying fullness alone affects the perception of feminine, androgynous, or masculine was fascinating.
I remember having conversations about some of these things with Clover in OVC a while back. Its really been wild to see how both of your philosophies and language on voice and voice training, as well as your ability to convey and teach those ideas have evolved over time. Truly two geniuses in this field.
This is part of that one long stream, isn't it? This whole thing is really helpful. Once I understood this concept I started to pass in voice chats pretty regularly after like. Three days? It's crazy.
im in awe at how many myths get cleared up on this channel! so incredibly helpful. at the risk of sounding grandiose, you folks are revolutionizing vocal pedagogy :)
This navigation of fullness is always key to come back to for me, and I feel like this cut is really helpful as a tool to be able to interact with and play again and again. Thank you!!
This also seems like an excellent way to identify where your voice is and where you want to bring it, by just playing around and trying to make different shapes on the graph, you can figure out where your 'normal' is approximately, and also what positions start to sound closer to what you want. I've been stuck for a while because my ideal voice is sort of 'butch' or 'tomboyish', and I haven't been sure how to get to that voice or even where my voice is now, I think this will help me to figure those out.
It would be amazing to have some sort of program that tracks your voice and shows where you are on the graph. I'm still struggling to understand and control my own vocal weight but this graph is already super helpful
THIS. is what i needed!! i had the resonance down but i couldnt figure out for the life of me why when "i tried" my voice sounded less passable . it was because i would make it SUPER brassy and heavy with a rlly high resonance. Now that I understand that I can get to the ideal voice through starting at "yawn" "aw" - hollow sound with dark resonance. then increasing my R1/R2 to a brighter resonance while maintaining my light weight. OMG GAME CHANGER there were moments before where I achieved this voice but i couldnt figure out how I got there and how to maintain it UNTIL NOW!!!! U are a god
amazing content and for free .............. i cant thank you enough truly. You are another great person that has helped me accelerate my transition 10fold TY ! much luv
Holy sweet jesus Coming to this video I can really see my progress just from your absolute beginner video, maybe it was me being a choir kid before so I understood what to do easier but after finding that comfortable weight I naturally ended up raising my resonance. Its only been a few days but I already sound so much more feminine when i try, so I guess the rest is just continuous practive and use until my vocal folds tighten to match my frequent use of this voice so it no longer becomes a conscious decision :D
I've been speaking in a full falsetto/head voice for years and I'm considering changing to using my chest voice so I can project more and sound a little less weird.This video was really helpful for me, thank you. The hardest part is going to be switching in social situations 😬😅
Your videos are so beyond helpful! Thank you so much to breaking the vocal lessons down into very measurable and understandable parts. It helps so much finding my voice again after it slips from not using it for awhile
Currently at the point where I understand resonance and I understand weight, but like you say putting them together is tough! It really helps to hear examples moving around in the space to get my brain to understand how it should all fit together as one unit. Thanks again for your videos, from an enby trying to understand what I even want to be in this world.
Daaaaang, now this is really helping me! I think its that like visual feedback paired with you guys offering 2 examples to speak along with, like it REALLY is showing me and solving all of my inadequacies and offering quick fixes. I don't know what I'd do without these videos 😭
I'm blown away by this video! I'm definitely one of those trans women who have a naturally hollow sounding voice, but always end up sounding buzzy when they attempt voice feminization, and it's so frustrating. That said, the approach used in this video will surely help me fix the buzziness issue. Seeing it laid out like that, with the fullness graph, helps me visualize all this better. Thank you again for everything you and Clover do.
Today marks the first week of my transfeminine journey. Before today, my femVoice was more high pitch masc than anything. But today my mouth produced a voice that I'm hopeful with. I am so thankful for you guys/gals/non binary pals at TransVoiceLessons!
this come in the clutch!!! soooo useful, I was just running into this problem of being overfull, and I can't put my finger on it, but it sounds strange. now I know why and how to fix it, thanks a million, I love you
I'm not even transgender and this is amazing! I do sing alot and am working on some vocal training for singing lower tones and duets and this is so helpful!
I'm super frustrated that my discovery of your channel had to happen this past weekend, of all times - I've been stuck dealing with COVID since Sunday!! >.< Some days I feel masculine, or feminine, or some place in-between - and it's always bugged me that I could never manage to bring my voice along for the ride!!! I don't really talk to a lot of people online or IRL because I just lack a lot of confidence in that ability to really fully embody myself... Seeing you break things down into these different attributes really gives me hope that with practise, I could someday be able to match my inner self on any given day. I'm no longer stuck thinking like "Oh, this is just how my voice is - I just need to accept an awkward headvoice or some sort of weird scratchy chestvoice" as I had been before. This video and the others really opened my eyes to the possibilities, and I really, really thank you for that!!!
As someone who wants to do some amount of voice acting for discord vc trolling content, this is really helpful, I'mma keep practicing until I get it right
Thank you for such a descriptive lesson and so many examples! I've done quite a lot of party tricks by mimicking various character voices and i can easily juggle my voice lightness/heavyiness/largeness/smallness, but it feels like i'm missing a crucial part of a feminine voice, since no matter how i place all the muscles inside my throat, it doesn't sound feminine..
I love your videos. I've gotten sooo much better over the last year by using my voice as much as possible on VRC and at this point 99% of the time, my voice is perceived as I want it. Though I realized by Watching this video.. I am perceived a lot younger than I am... i wonder how to keep my femme but increase my age. OOOO can you do an aging scale vocal slide? Say one one one along a perceptual graph of age...! That would be really cool!
Do you have any plans to discuss your full model? I know you've mentioned there being several different dimensions to voice and as a linguist I'd like to nerd out!
Absolutely! Currently the most concentrated way to get exposure to the biggest parts of the method/model is through the 12-week group courses. Clover and I are working on a book and website for the method and model though which will make it a lot more accessible in one place. On this channel there is a video, "overview of voice feminization" this was a much older version of the model. I don't really love that video anymore but it can give a nice overview of general core ideas. A lot of the language, structure, and philosophy has changed in the model since then though. We've been developing it quite aggressively over the last two years and are excited to share it!!
The ufo fam is so good at showings sounds, my voice is feminine but I always feel like there’s something wrong and it’s because I’m overfull feminine so I’m gonna work on not going too small with my resonance
Hi Zhea, Thank you for the video, it was highly informative. Would you ever release an app or a vocal programme (where you can download and train in your own time) for vocal feminisation ?
ive not watched the full video yet, but I've watched several other videos in the voice feminization playlist, starting with the voice feminization for beginners video, and I'm kinda confused as to why resonance is always mentioned as if its something everyone just knows what is, or knows how to adjust it? I have no idea what i means when you mention adjusting resonance, and I think I'm a bit stuck because of it
Dear Zhea, do you have any knowledge that having either "vocal cord nodules" or "postnasal drip" can seriously prevent one to get to the right vocal cord position for female voice?
I've been practicing off and on for a couple years now. And I could never figure out why my voice didn't seem to be getting any more fem. And now, after watching this, I realized I've plateaued in that hollow area.
Have you did a video on weight? Having a bit of a hard time understanding it. Plus if you can, in the future could you maybe add in more clear examples? Because I was hoping on that whole graph to see weight itself go from heavy to light but I don't think you did that (I even watched the stream itself)
I have a somewhat older video on weight called, "vocal fold mass" which is fine but not my favorite. I also discuss it quite significantly in the video, "Voice Feminization for Absolute Beginners" I'd recommend watching that for a brush up on weight. I'm currently working on a series which is like, "everything you need to know about X" which will be a simple and up to date video series on key elements. I haven't done "the weight" video I want to do yet but there is a lot of resources on here for it. There is also an 8 page document on the patreon which has like 45 mins of audio files included.
This is honestly helpful but I literally cannot do the light and small quardent, my throat feels so tight and strained when I do it. I've been doing everything I can to avoid this strain but it just doesn't happen. Luved this vid tho 💠🌺
Also I guess this is as good a place to ask this, what do I do if I can't raise my resonance? I've tried whisper sirens and little dog but neither raise my larynx any and when I transition into an "aaa" sound it's just higher in pitch, so probably not higher in resonance since resonance is supposed to be seperate from pitch. I literally don't know what I'm doing wrong if anything. But I can drop my larynx super low which is... discouraging and depressing. That I can drop it but can't raise it.
Ask me that question on a livestream. I don't think its very useful to talk about vocal problems in text. I'd be glad to spend a significant portion of a live stream discussing this issue. There is a video on my patreon about separating pitch from resonance if you think that's your main issue but your challenge sounds more fundamental than that. Hoping to see this question on a stream!!
I'm even more confused now. None of what you demonstrated sounded like my buzziness problem. I feel like I'm in the center of the graph which you kind of leapt over in your demonstrations. I guess my voice sounds more like Clover's actual voice which wasn't really mapped.
So I've heard that singing along with voices that are closer to what you want to achieve is a good way to practice. Something about focusing on the singing aspect makes it easier for your voice to fall in line without thinking too much. Is there any truth to that?
I've answered this a few times in livestreams. To be brief, I think doing any exploratory vocal activity is ultimately helpful for vocal development. If you are using your voice a lot/creatively/exploratorily, you will naturally expand your capability. I don't think singing in particular is the most optimal way to work towards feminization but it works for some! The fundamental act of voice is trying to create something you intend to create. Singing along with voices you like gives you a clear target to intend to create. As you work towards creating this, you aren't just developing for vocal control but also developing your ability to actualize intention. Intention is key! So I think there are benefits to that but I don't think they are necessarily singing specific -- just vocal specific! :)
I know I am a bit too late but what if I can't doo light or that making light makes me feel like as if am not putting enough air into the voice, and it keeps cutting out?
Gender fluid here. But prefer to sound mostly feminine. Trying to figure out how to increase head/head mix above D5, along with having overtones and color. To say A5/Bb5 at most. I want to be able to create a mezzo voice tessitura for myself. I am doing well in scales but I’m finding it difficult to apply that to actual repertoire. I find that it is hollow in tone. Lacking in dimension. Do you have any advice? Feel free to speak in pedagogy and/or anatomical terms
Im internally stuck at my feminine voice being hollow, like I have the pitch down but I just sound so breathy and hallow. When I see you and Clover go from hallow to full fem I try to do it but I can’t the only thing that seems to change is the pitch but I don’t think I need to raise the pitch anymore I don’t know how you guys get that resonance where it just sounds well. Female I’m having a really hard time getting there I think I’m gonna have to get vocal training because the only way I could see myself improving is if someone tells me and hears me speaking One on one
This might be a bit long, do not take it as the word, I'm just trying to point a direction. (Around everything I mention there are lots of tweaks and corrections to look for during that can be made/added but it would make it more complicated.) To go up from Hollow the way they are is literally just about Size (= Resonance = "Oral" AND "Throat" Size/Space) needing to be smaller. If you do have Pitching ability down, then put it aside and work on understanding what they are showing. Also one of the things this demo is showing is that resonance is waaaaaay more powerful then pitch. (Their brightness is going up because they are making their space smaller and smaller (With Oral and Throat space, etc) not because of pitch. You can use (or even ride) the shape a vowel gives your oral size/space to help yourself understand the kind of changes that are being made in the Oral and Throat space. Kinda like a snapshot/peak.. A basic yet optimized way to do this is with "E" (as in E"a"t or Ch"ee"se). When doing this the focus is not on the sound itself, its on making yourself aware of the "spacial" changes (what parts are moving, where they are) being made in your oral space while doing it. And an awareness of the overall shape/posture it makes in your mouth. So first you can just do E back to back letting everything go back to whatever your normal relaxed position is each time. When going back to E each time use it as an opportunity to focus on / get a feel for whats changing, moving. Things are overall moving into a smaller space, by taking/using up more of your space when doing this. E is essentially putting things in a semi ideal mouth shape/space (size) where you can target not just the shape itself but the parts involved in it. (Tongue position; Back,Mid, Front and or its shape), The soft palate might come down a lil, your Larynx might rise a lil. Now you can further optimize this by adding K sound (> again the space/shape it puts you in.) First just instead of E do K. See/feel the changes between K and E they are in very similar position but your tongue will be a lil more forward in the mid and tip and a lil more full in the back then the E gave, its easier to engage or feel the Soft palate movement here. Now simply change it all into saying "Key" instead. This will help you optimize the positions you were looking to identify in E a lil better. By literally combing the E and K shape together. Try to take the minor changes during K and apply them to the E shape from before. (Key like E will automatically do this for you, so was just saying to still be mindful of the difference) From Key you can actually take it much further and better and involve more things but I was just trying to point you in the right direction. From here you should go back to E and do E,E,E,E or EEEEE till you get more comfortable to how/where you feel with that oral space. I know people hate the head voice thing now, but for me doing this alone makes my voice FEEL as if (there really isn't a word to describe) but the presence feels higher where the back and mid tongue are. I wont take that any further because it might cause confusion. You are essentially using the space/SHAPE/changes the E give you as your new speaking position. You can go back to Key if you want since its more optimal then E but might be a lil harder to start speaking from at first, but the given space by key is smaller then E. I do not know how to physically describe it but kind of how like you would match your pitch to a sound, this is more physical, you want to maintain the E/KEY "shape" and just start talking while in it. You need to let go of the idea of the sound it gives at this point and speak with the space/shape (= size) it gives you. Sorry if redundant. Now also keep in mind here we have not really done much with your Throat space.. you essentially need to make similar changes in your Pharynx/Pharyngeal areas, Larynx etc. So you will not gain the full picture without it but this should be enough to start pushing out of the hallow. When you get more comfortable you can with E/Key try fooling with your Tongue position that it gives you to try to lift your Larynx (you are just trying to barley move it to make that brain connection/awareness.) This will help give your Larynx a lil more lift during the E/Key if it doesn't automatically. From here just like that you just keep adding lil things like the previous tweak (considering you also started doing the throat space too.) What I highly recommend is looking at this guide: www.reddit.com/r/transvoice/comments/wpffaw/an_introduction_to_voice_feminization_for/ They use the more current terminology that Z and Clover are using and their new simplified version of trying to brake things down. This will lead you to most you need to know. (and Z's other relevant vids.) It lets you know on the links if some of the language is different because older videos in reference to the new terminologies etc.
9:20 I'm kind of disappointed how the "Solving the Plateauing mistake" section is just showing how to do it and saying "See? It's so easy!" Are you not considering that people aren't trying to plateau by not decreasing size more but rather can't manage to decrease size more even though they know that's what they should be doing at this point? I don't think it's a problem of misunderstanding the target but rather an inability to get there in most cases.
Sorry to disappoint! This video was made from multiple discussions stitched together to create a public resource for individuals to understand *fullness*. It is essentially a "twitch highlight" type video but for voice. This video was not intended to help people break their resonance plateaus. I have talked for hours in workshops, patreon videos, livestreams, published document material, and some youtube videos on this channel about size with much emphasis on plateaus and various ways to break them. There is ~1.5 hours of size files on the size document. There is much discussion about towards "breaking plateaus" on the server and a simple search can unearth dozens of posts on the topic. I believe Clover even has a document they made last year codifying "wallbreaking" exercises we like for resonance. The focus of this video is understanding fullness. I'm planning on making smaller digestible videos on each element soon but those are going to be made by me so they take longer. This video was never intended to be a be-all end-all video. It's just stream and lecture highlights.
@@TransVoiceLessons You're right, you did talk about this at length. I'm sorry. Thanks for replying, though. I'll try to look for that document by Clover, sounds promising.
This video is a collab with my new editor! It’s the first main voice video I didn’t edit and I’m hoping it will allow for this channel to publish a lot more content! This video was made out of clips from a past live stream and clips from a group class lecture that clover and I do every 3 months.
More content?! :0 Love everything that you're doing, Voice Mom~
@@hyperlightdragon yes much more :D
> looking for a new voice
> ask the voice store receptionist if the voice is buzzy or hollow
> she doesn't understand
> pull out a diagram explaining what is buzzy and what is hollow
> she laughs and says "it's a good voice ma'am"
> buy the voice
> it's hollow
I can't believe you greentexted in the UA-cam comment section
Zhea's masc voice just sounds like a cis woman trying to do an impression of a dudebro guy and I love that for her
Dx true. Sometimes I can do decent guy voices though!! Usually if my vocal folds are swollen I can do more masc stuff.
Sounds a lot like Rosa from B99
@@TransVoiceLessons I'm actually curious if there's a way to achieve that kind of voice (albeit a little less exaggerated) as a transfem person, It's like a sort of tomboyish masc voice that just ends up sounding, well, cismasc masc, when I do it, while the intent is to sound cisfem masc for lack of better terms.
It's nice to have actual terms for this, I always just called overfull SpongeBob and hollow Patrick 😅 I've become very acquainted with my SpongeBob and Patrick voices since I started practicing, I always end up at one or the other.
thats a good idea hehe
I'm coming back to voice training after a hiatus. My vocal weight is definitely a problem and this diagram is tremendously helpful.
Thank you so much for making this publicly available and for putting so much in making this video. You are the best!
OMG It just clicked. FINALLY, I was stuck for weeks not being able to raise my R1 anymore, FINALLY found the muscles to be able raise my R1 out of that androgyny zone and into feminine zone. Wow that took way too long lol. Why was that so hard? Now I'm finally able to get my weight and resonance into the right place for that feminine sound, I was just stuck for so long.
It’s been a while since this comment, but I’m stuck in the same problem too. What worked for you?
wow! the fullness graph helps so much, I've definitely been switching back and forth between plateauing and boomeranging, can't wait to apply this in practice! thank you!!!!!
you'll crush it!
starting to present femme at my service worker job has given me new motivation to restart voice training, and this video was STELLAR!!
so glad it was helpful!!!! you'll do amazing.
It's a very interesting observation that the perception of fullness or feminine voices in general vary from culture to culture. I'm from sweden and sometimes when I practice with these videos I try to say your english example words but then I immediately want to test how it sounds in swedish. I notice how I'm slightly regulating and modifying so that it sounds feminine in a swedish way and it works amazing and I'm glad I can apply your exercises to my mother-tounge as well. You guys mean a lot for the trans community, not only in the english speaking world.🙏❤🇸🇪
Yo your language is very cool :)
@@mo-s- Tack så mycket! 🙏
Hi!!!! I'm actually trying to learn Swedish right now and I can certainly relate to this so much, haha! I want to sound as passing as possible in all the languages that I could/am learning to speak so I actually practise 4 times. I still haven't grasped the nuances in Swedish pronunciation between males and females yet, apart from the fact that females tend to be more sing-song-y aka using the pitch accent more "exaggeratedly" with their speech compared to those who are male. That's probably because I just started learning about a week ago lol but I do hope that once I speak to a Swede, I'll sound like a cisgender female :D
Dang your videos production quality gets better and better every time!
Ty!!
Oh my god I just made such progress from your video thank you.Something just clicked in me. I totally understood the "hollow" dopey voice and how to make it, and by going from there and making my resonance smaller I got the closest i think I've EVER gotten to Full fem voice before!!!
cool. got recommended this vid via reddit post, and I did find it helpful. the idea of resonance, weight, etc was always complicated for me. this helped.
I just want to say, some of the points covered in this video helped connect some of the few remaining dots that I had. I already have a "passing" voice courtesy of the tips and tricks picked up over the past couple of years watching your content, but I have been trying to improve the different facets of my voice separately instead of unifying everything that I have learned up to this point. That graph/chart really helped. :)
This chart is really helping me learn how to pin point the underdeveloped aspects of my feminine voice and not have to guess if I'm doing it right haha SO FRICKIN COOL!!
(weight vs resonance)
Could you do a video on breathyness? I can control size and weight pretty well now, but using both a small size and a light sound introduces some breathyness in my voice that I can't seem to get rid of.
That'd be a great topic! :)
This was a really interesting video. Zhea alone is amazing, but having the additional perspective from Clover while exploring fullness really adds a whole new layer. I also thought that exploring how varying fullness alone affects the perception of feminine, androgynous, or masculine was fascinating.
I will watch this as soon as I wake up lol I'm glad these informative type videos are back
This is great. I recommend so many people to your videos. Thank you for helping our community.
Thank you so much!
I remember having conversations about some of these things with Clover in OVC a while back. Its really been wild to see how both of your philosophies and language on voice and voice training, as well as your ability to convey and teach those ideas have evolved over time. Truly two geniuses in this field.
Never thought I'd hear "voice anarchy" and be totally on board
This is part of that one long stream, isn't it? This whole thing is really helpful. Once I understood this concept I started to pass in voice chats pretty regularly after like. Three days? It's crazy.
Part of it! Yea. There is also some clips from private group lectures in this! So there is some more information. :) So glad this has helped you.
these videos will never not be confusing
im in awe at how many myths get cleared up on this channel! so incredibly helpful. at the risk of sounding grandiose, you folks are revolutionizing vocal pedagogy :)
This video helped me find out that my voice sounded off because I was adding too much weight. Thank you very much for uploading these resources :>.
This navigation of fullness is always key to come back to for me, and I feel like this cut is really helpful as a tool to be able to interact with and play again and again. Thank you!!
I got so much value from that graph when I saw it in the live stream, really glad to see it have a stand alone video! It was also just a lot of fun.
Wow. I think your friend has a deeper voice than mine so it's really impressive that they were able to do that. This was really inspiring.
This also seems like an excellent way to identify where your voice is and where you want to bring it, by just playing around and trying to make different shapes on the graph, you can figure out where your 'normal' is approximately, and also what positions start to sound closer to what you want. I've been stuck for a while because my ideal voice is sort of 'butch' or 'tomboyish', and I haven't been sure how to get to that voice or even where my voice is now, I think this will help me to figure those out.
It would be amazing to have some sort of program that tracks your voice and shows where you are on the graph. I'm still struggling to understand and control my own vocal weight but this graph is already super helpful
The Cartesian graph is so helpful ong tysm
THIS. is what i needed!! i had the resonance down but i couldnt figure out for the life of me why when "i tried" my voice sounded less passable . it was because i would make it SUPER brassy and heavy with a rlly high resonance. Now that I understand that I can get to the ideal voice through starting at "yawn" "aw" - hollow sound with dark resonance. then increasing my R1/R2 to a brighter resonance while maintaining my light weight. OMG GAME CHANGER
there were moments before where I achieved this voice but i couldnt figure out how I got there and how to maintain it UNTIL NOW!!!!
U are a god
I am so glad this video was helpful for you. 💕 you’re gonna crush it now !!!!
This was actually one of the most helpful videos I've ever seen from you!!! tysm
amazing content and for free .............. i cant thank you enough truly. You are another great person that has helped me accelerate my transition 10fold TY !
much luv
Excited for a review on fullness, thank you again for all of your content!! 😌
This is so good. I love this so much.
Thank you.
Holy sweet jesus
Coming to this video I can really see my progress just from your absolute beginner video, maybe it was me being a choir kid before so I understood what to do easier but after finding that comfortable weight I naturally ended up raising my resonance. Its only been a few days but I already sound so much more feminine when i try, so I guess the rest is just continuous practive and use until my vocal folds tighten to match my frequent use of this voice so it no longer becomes a conscious decision :D
I've been speaking in a full falsetto/head voice for years and I'm considering changing to using my chest voice so I can project more and sound a little less weird.This video was really helpful for me, thank you. The hardest part is going to be switching in social situations 😬😅
Your videos are so beyond helpful! Thank you so much to breaking the vocal lessons down into very measurable and understandable parts. It helps so much finding my voice again after it slips from not using it for awhile
Currently at the point where I understand resonance and I understand weight, but like you say putting them together is tough! It really helps to hear examples moving around in the space to get my brain to understand how it should all fit together as one unit. Thanks again for your videos, from an enby trying to understand what I even want to be in this world.
This is incredibly poggers
Daaaaang, now this is really helping me! I think its that like visual feedback paired with you guys offering 2 examples to speak along with, like it REALLY is showing me and solving all of my inadequacies and offering quick fixes. I don't know what I'd do without these videos 😭
I love seeing the graphs and having multiple people give their voices
Thank you for your classes it is pretty usefull for voice acting / singing too.
I'm blown away by this video! I'm definitely one of those trans women who have a naturally hollow sounding voice, but always end up sounding buzzy when they attempt voice feminization, and it's so frustrating. That said, the approach used in this video will surely help me fix the buzziness issue. Seeing it laid out like that, with the fullness graph, helps me visualize all this better. Thank you again for everything you and Clover do.
Love the editing! And really useful information as always. Thanks!
Today marks the first week of my transfeminine journey. Before today, my femVoice was more high pitch masc than anything. But today my mouth produced a voice that I'm hopeful with.
I am so thankful for you guys/gals/non binary pals at TransVoiceLessons!
this come in the clutch!!! soooo useful, I was just running into this problem of being overfull, and I can't put my finger on it, but it sounds strange. now I know why and how to fix it, thanks a million, I love you
I'm not even transgender and this is amazing! I do sing alot and am working on some vocal training for singing lower tones and duets and this is so helpful!
cool new intro omg
thanks! new editor made it :D
@@diydylana3151 ty hehe
I'm super frustrated that my discovery of your channel had to happen this past weekend, of all times - I've been stuck dealing with COVID since Sunday!! >.<
Some days I feel masculine, or feminine, or some place in-between - and it's always bugged me that I could never manage to bring my voice along for the ride!!! I don't really talk to a lot of people online or IRL because I just lack a lot of confidence in that ability to really fully embody myself...
Seeing you break things down into these different attributes really gives me hope that with practise, I could someday be able to match my inner self on any given day. I'm no longer stuck thinking like "Oh, this is just how my voice is - I just need to accept an awkward headvoice or some sort of weird scratchy chestvoice" as I had been before. This video and the others really opened my eyes to the possibilities, and I really, really thank you for that!!!
As someone who wants to do some amount of voice acting for discord vc trolling content, this is really helpful, I'mma keep practicing until I get it right
Thanks for the informational video again ^^
Can you make a video about velum/soft palate control and how to perceive it?
Yea!! That’d be a good topic to cover
Ohhhhh this makes much more sense to me now
woooo
Thank you for such a descriptive lesson and so many examples! I've done quite a lot of party tricks by mimicking various character voices and i can easily juggle my voice lightness/heavyiness/largeness/smallness, but it feels like i'm missing a crucial part of a feminine voice, since no matter how i place all the muscles inside my throat, it doesn't sound feminine..
This info is really life saving literally
It is amazing! When I was a pre-teen, I had the same voice and vocal range as Zhea's, but it's definetly large compared to other pre-teen girls.
Omg i can already get a pretty good choice going from overfull to feminine
I love your videos. I've gotten sooo much better over the last year by using my voice as much as possible on VRC and at this point 99% of the time, my voice is perceived as I want it. Though I realized by Watching this video.. I am perceived a lot younger than I am... i wonder how to keep my femme but increase my age.
OOOO can you do an aging scale vocal slide? Say one one one along a perceptual graph of age...! That would be really cool!
A voice aging video would be awesome! I'd love to do that sometime.
This helped me tremendously! Thank you so much
Max-Catt: A brilliant read.
Do you have any plans to discuss your full model? I know you've mentioned there being several different dimensions to voice and as a linguist I'd like to nerd out!
Absolutely! Currently the most concentrated way to get exposure to the biggest parts of the method/model is through the 12-week group courses. Clover and I are working on a book and website for the method and model though which will make it a lot more accessible in one place. On this channel there is a video, "overview of voice feminization" this was a much older version of the model. I don't really love that video anymore but it can give a nice overview of general core ideas. A lot of the language, structure, and philosophy has changed in the model since then though. We've been developing it quite aggressively over the last two years and are excited to share it!!
I can do Light/large, Large/Heavy, and Small/Heavy, but i can not figure out how to get into small/light.
This video was way too helpful
this is genius!
hollow is basically what I use for a zimbabwe african style voice.
rly cool demonstrations!
I have a problem where I can’t really figure out if my voice is sounding just high-pitch or if I’m actually making a feminine voice
Вы не представляете как помогает смотреть как действует кадык парня при этой диаграмме.
9:14 and 18:00
just some notes for me here. ignore me!!
axis examples at 17:22
The ufo fam is so good at showings sounds, my voice is feminine but I always feel like there’s something wrong and it’s because I’m overfull feminine so I’m gonna work on not going too small with my resonance
24:28 out of context this is so funny 💀
this video is super cool :) ❤️
I’ll get their soon 😭
Hi Zhea,
Thank you for the video, it was highly informative.
Would you ever release an app or a vocal programme (where you can download and train in your own time) for vocal feminisation ?
Yep~!! working on something similar.
@@TransVoiceLessons Awesome.
Any rough idea when you will release it ?
I am super psyched for it!
honestly none of the voices you do don't sound feminized anymore, even when you're intentionally trying to demonstrate
I get self aware when I think about possibility of other hearing me 😢
Thanks youuu
ive not watched the full video yet, but I've watched several other videos in the voice feminization playlist, starting with the voice feminization for beginners video, and I'm kinda confused as to why resonance is always mentioned as if its something everyone just knows what is, or knows how to adjust it? I have no idea what i means when you mention adjusting resonance, and I think I'm a bit stuck because of it
Omgggg I want to learn how to do this!! I literally feel like it’s impossible for me to change my voice 😢
I need to sleep but ive been putting off voice training. Feels like i have a voice test in the am lol
Dear Zhea, do you have any knowledge that having either "vocal cord nodules" or "postnasal drip" can seriously prevent one to get to the right vocal cord position for female voice?
I've been practicing off and on for a couple years now. And I could never figure out why my voice didn't seem to be getting any more fem. And now, after watching this, I realized I've plateaued in that hollow area.
Have you did a video on weight? Having a bit of a hard time understanding it. Plus if you can, in the future could you maybe add in more clear examples? Because I was hoping on that whole graph to see weight itself go from heavy to light but I don't think you did that (I even watched the stream itself)
I have a somewhat older video on weight called, "vocal fold mass" which is fine but not my favorite. I also discuss it quite significantly in the video, "Voice Feminization for Absolute Beginners" I'd recommend watching that for a brush up on weight.
I'm currently working on a series which is like, "everything you need to know about X" which will be a simple and up to date video series on key elements. I haven't done "the weight" video I want to do yet but there is a lot of resources on here for it. There is also an 8 page document on the patreon which has like 45 mins of audio files included.
Noo size is weirder than wheight, i just make a higher pitch while making voice smaller.
I seriously need to find a video for people with add there is Way to many filer words in these voice lesson videos
28:50 i decided to randomly do a light mickey mouse yoddle. That was fun.
This is honestly helpful but I literally cannot do the light and small quardent, my throat feels so tight and strained when I do it. I've been doing everything I can to avoid this strain but it just doesn't happen. Luved this vid tho 💠🌺
Clover's some sort of mimicking bird in disguise I swear...
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Also I guess this is as good a place to ask this, what do I do if I can't raise my resonance? I've tried whisper sirens and little dog but neither raise my larynx any and when I transition into an "aaa" sound it's just higher in pitch, so probably not higher in resonance since resonance is supposed to be seperate from pitch. I literally don't know what I'm doing wrong if anything. But I can drop my larynx super low which is... discouraging and depressing. That I can drop it but can't raise it.
Ask me that question on a livestream. I don't think its very useful to talk about vocal problems in text. I'd be glad to spend a significant portion of a live stream discussing this issue. There is a video on my patreon about separating pitch from resonance if you think that's your main issue but your challenge sounds more fundamental than that. Hoping to see this question on a stream!!
I'm even more confused now. None of what you demonstrated sounded like my buzziness problem. I feel like I'm in the center of the graph which you kind of leapt over in your demonstrations. I guess my voice sounds more like Clover's actual voice which wasn't really mapped.
I love this video but I dont understand how they are changing resonance
My throat hits like sub buffer... im crying
What about an N Zhea, up from hollow down to Full Masculine and up to full?
It sort of works, I tried it with comical effect. Petra-B
So I've heard that singing along with voices that are closer to what you want to achieve is a good way to practice. Something about focusing on the singing aspect makes it easier for your voice to fall in line without thinking too much. Is there any truth to that?
I've answered this a few times in livestreams. To be brief, I think doing any exploratory vocal activity is ultimately helpful for vocal development. If you are using your voice a lot/creatively/exploratorily, you will naturally expand your capability. I don't think singing in particular is the most optimal way to work towards feminization but it works for some! The fundamental act of voice is trying to create something you intend to create. Singing along with voices you like gives you a clear target to intend to create. As you work towards creating this, you aren't just developing for vocal control but also developing your ability to actualize intention. Intention is key! So I think there are benefits to that but I don't think they are necessarily singing specific -- just vocal specific! :)
@@TransVoiceLessons thanks so much for the response!
Can you do vocal exercise like to have high voice
MUCH!!!!
I know I am a bit too late but what if I can't doo light or that making light makes me feel like as if am not putting enough air into the voice, and it keeps cutting out?
Gender fluid here. But prefer to sound mostly feminine. Trying to figure out how to increase head/head mix above D5, along with having overtones and color. To say A5/Bb5 at most. I want to be able to create a mezzo voice tessitura for myself. I am doing well in scales but I’m finding it difficult to apply that to actual repertoire. I find that it is hollow in tone. Lacking in dimension. Do you have any advice? Feel free to speak in pedagogy and/or anatomical terms
Im internally stuck at my feminine voice being hollow, like I have the pitch down but I just sound so breathy and hallow. When I see you and Clover go from hallow to full fem I try to do it but I can’t the only thing that seems to change is the pitch but I don’t think I need to raise the pitch anymore I don’t know how you guys get that resonance where it just sounds well. Female I’m having a really hard time getting there
I think I’m gonna have to get vocal training because the only way I could see myself improving is if someone tells me and hears me speaking One on one
This might be a bit long, do not take it as the word, I'm just trying to point a direction.
(Around everything I mention there are lots of tweaks and corrections to look for during that can be made/added but it would make it more complicated.)
To go up from Hollow the way they are is literally just about Size (= Resonance = "Oral" AND "Throat" Size/Space) needing to be smaller.
If you do have Pitching ability down, then put it aside and work on understanding what they are showing.
Also one of the things this demo is showing is that resonance is waaaaaay more powerful then pitch.
(Their brightness is going up because they are making their space smaller and smaller (With Oral and Throat space, etc) not because of pitch.
You can use (or even ride) the shape a vowel gives your oral size/space to help yourself understand the kind of changes that are being made in the Oral and Throat space. Kinda like a snapshot/peak..
A basic yet optimized way to do this is with "E" (as in E"a"t or Ch"ee"se).
When doing this the focus is not on the sound itself, its on making yourself aware of the "spacial" changes (what parts are moving, where they are) being made in your oral space while doing it. And an awareness of the overall shape/posture it makes in your mouth.
So first you can just do E back to back letting everything go back to whatever your normal relaxed position is each time. When going back to E each time use it as an opportunity to focus on / get a feel for whats changing, moving. Things are overall moving into a smaller space, by taking/using up more of your space when doing this. E is essentially putting things in a semi ideal mouth shape/space (size) where you can target not just the shape itself but the parts involved in it.
(Tongue position; Back,Mid, Front and or its shape), The soft palate might come down a lil, your Larynx might rise a lil.
Now you can further optimize this by adding K sound (> again the space/shape it puts you in.) First just instead of E do K. See/feel the changes between K and E they are in very similar position but your tongue will be a lil more forward in the mid and tip and a lil more full in the back then the E gave, its easier to engage or feel the Soft palate movement here.
Now simply change it all into saying "Key" instead. This will help you optimize the positions you were looking to identify in E a lil better. By literally combing the E and K shape together.
Try to take the minor changes during K and apply them to the E shape from before. (Key like E will automatically do this for you, so was just saying to still be mindful of the difference) From Key you can actually take it much further and better and involve more things but I was just trying to point you in the right direction.
From here you should go back to E and do E,E,E,E or EEEEE till you get more comfortable to how/where you feel with that oral space. I know people hate the head voice thing now, but for me doing this alone makes my voice FEEL as if (there really isn't a word to describe) but the presence feels higher where the back and mid tongue are.
I wont take that any further because it might cause confusion.
You are essentially using the space/SHAPE/changes the E give you as your new speaking position. You can go back to Key if you want since its more optimal then E but might be a lil harder to start speaking from at first, but the given space by key is smaller then E.
I do not know how to physically describe it but kind of how like you would match your pitch to a sound, this is more physical, you want to maintain the E/KEY "shape" and just start talking while in it. You need to let go of the idea of the sound it gives at this point and speak with the space/shape (= size) it gives you.
Sorry if redundant.
Now also keep in mind here we have not really done much with your Throat space.. you essentially need to make similar changes in your Pharynx/Pharyngeal areas, Larynx etc. So you will not gain the full picture without it but this should be enough to start pushing out of the hallow.
When you get more comfortable you can with E/Key try fooling with your Tongue position that it gives you to try to lift your Larynx (you are just trying to barley move it to make that brain connection/awareness.) This will help give your Larynx a lil more lift during the E/Key if it doesn't automatically.
From here just like that you just keep adding lil things like the previous tweak (considering you also started doing the throat space too.)
What I highly recommend is looking at this guide: www.reddit.com/r/transvoice/comments/wpffaw/an_introduction_to_voice_feminization_for/
They use the more current terminology that Z and Clover are using and their new simplified version of trying to brake things down.
This will lead you to most you need to know. (and Z's other relevant vids.) It lets you know on the links if some of the language is different because older videos in reference to the new terminologies etc.
9:20 I'm kind of disappointed how the "Solving the Plateauing mistake" section is just showing how to do it and saying "See? It's so easy!"
Are you not considering that people aren't trying to plateau by not decreasing size more but rather can't manage to decrease size more even though they know that's what they should be doing at this point? I don't think it's a problem of misunderstanding the target but rather an inability to get there in most cases.
Sorry to disappoint! This video was made from multiple discussions stitched together to create a public resource for individuals to understand *fullness*. It is essentially a "twitch highlight" type video but for voice. This video was not intended to help people break their resonance plateaus. I have talked for hours in workshops, patreon videos, livestreams, published document material, and some youtube videos on this channel about size with much emphasis on plateaus and various ways to break them. There is ~1.5 hours of size files on the size document. There is much discussion about towards "breaking plateaus" on the server and a simple search can unearth dozens of posts on the topic. I believe Clover even has a document they made last year codifying "wallbreaking" exercises we like for resonance. The focus of this video is understanding fullness.
I'm planning on making smaller digestible videos on each element soon but those are going to be made by me so they take longer. This video was never intended to be a be-all end-all video. It's just stream and lecture highlights.
@@TransVoiceLessons You're right, you did talk about this at length. I'm sorry. Thanks for replying, though. I'll try to look for that document by Clover, sounds promising.