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In Norway there is a joke that goes around when somebody can not lift its own weight or run fast enough ... They simply say " you need to grow stronger"..
One note on the engine sound from the boxer engine. I ride and live in Northern Idaho. I have seen deer eating on the side of the road. Have seen Harleys, Hondas, Suzukis, Kawasakis and Yamahas ride right past them. They ignore those bikes, but when I ride my R1200 G/S by them, they look up and run the other way……
The stock sound is pretty nice at low and medium rpms. At high revs I didn't find it that appealing, but then again the option exhaust doesn't do it for me neither as it has the same sound note
I prefer the lower tunes of bikes with fewer cylinders in general. I think the boxer engine makes a beautifull sound with more bass compared to some other bikes. I even get why some people like the harley sounds, I kind off like them to, but prefer a sound without the pops. I've got one of thease beauties ua-cam.com/video/EFhtvUs5DlI/v-deo.html (not my video). listen to that and tell me that is not the most beautiful sound in the world.I am of course in love with my motorcycle, which enhances the experience.
I'm sure BMW has thoroughly considered everything in this video. The stock sound is perfect for long rides and louder sexier exhaust would get VERY old. In fact many have gone to aftermarket exhausts and returned to stock.
Hi Matt, I totally agree with you. When I bought my used 2017 1200GSA, it came with the Akrapovic exhaust.....it sounded "cool" at the beginning, but after the first long ride.... I decided to get rid of it. I bought a used stock exhaust (in mint conditions) and got rid of the Akra.....best thing I ever did!
The sound is just very even it just fires alternative cylinders equally. The f800 sound the same and i like it.when they pass you at 80-90mph they dont even sound like there trying
I agree Matt. Put 90,000 miles on an '07 and another 50k (so far) on an '11. Stock exhaust is MUSIC, especially in hour 5 of a 10 hour day!! I think our friend is new to the game. I get that he's making video's (good ones even) but another vid exposed 3k miles on a 17 model. Gonna have to put some mileage in before opera means more than BRAP.
@@RumorHazi I've found personally that louder exhaust notes (of any subjective quality) increase mental fatigue on longer rides. When I was a kid I used to clip playing cards to my bicycle forks to make sounds, but the older I got the quieter I've wanted it.
The weight is fine. I like the stability in fierce winds. The sound is even better. It’s loud enough to be heard without being obnoxious to everyone else. I don’t want my GS to sound or look like a Japanese bike. Let’s keep it BMW? Traction control? Splitting hairs. I would agree that she’s an expensive mistress. It’s a very expensive way to travel. But no bike I’ve ridden comes close to its beautiful engineering. So we pay. Judging from the video, perhaps the 310 would be a better fit for you?
@@drbwhit I have a HD 2019 cvo street glide... 117ci and now I just bought a bmw gs adventure 1200 2013 ac I love it... but it seems to break down when trying or it wants to pick the wheel... has 170ks of fuel or 1/4 tank of gas in it. not sure what is going on... but I love it... I think this bmw would give my Harley a run for its money.
@@vinniewalker2129 I just stumbled on the deal of the century literally today. A 2016 our 1200 GS adventure premium package with 450 miles and another at least $5000 worth of BMW accessories for 18k. It’s a brand new bike. The dude Bought it to take a trip down to South America but he ended up busting his femur years ago and just never has rode it other than a couple of times to work and around the neighborhood a little bit. Again 450 original miles. The thing literally looks like it’s right out of the crate. That bike when he bought it was 25 grand at least.
I have always enjoyed a quieter motor sound. Not silent, but an efficient air sucking sound with a little grunt mixed in. Like the old RS's with stock pipes. Loud pipes really annoy me and everyone (non riders) around me. I used to get good comments on the sound of my old RS.
Now make a video about the 5 things you love about the R1200GS. The boxer engine comes to mind. The ABS is fantastic! Brake hard with only the front brake from high speed. Awesome!! Totally unexpected perfection. (Just did a BMW riding course)
Great video. Agreed, although no bike is perfect and as far as bikes go, the GS beats every other bike, overall IMO. Like you i have owned (or ridden) almost every adventure bike ever made. On the1200 gripes, I can add one more thing, which is bike specific, and that is oscillating vibrations through the driveline. Just gave my bike back to bmw - they admitted that the 1200 LC vibrates and lot, and mine more so. Gave me my money back (i rode it 8 months) and a great deal on the new 1250, which is MUCH smoother. Thank you BMW
The BMW Boxer has always been marketed as “the *quiet* well-engineered bike” since at least the early ‘60s. A triple or inline 4 does “sound” better, but horses for courses.
I don’t think you are correct about traction control. On my 2018, I have the Pro plug installed and I can go into settings and CHOOSE either Enduro OR Enduro Pro for DTC setting. All the plug does is allow me to EDIT the mode. It doesn’t eliminate any mode options.
I remember a few years back I rode a 2007 R1200GS 2200 kms over Australia’s Snowy mountains. It had a stock exhaust. I really grew to love the the subtle tone of the twin. Just something about it.
Sounds like you CHOSE the wrong bike! BMW’s are not for everyone. I own a 2007 R1200 G/S. After 62,000 miles I am still in love. I have ridden every R1200 since as a test rider for an after market windshield manufacturer. Loved everything about them as well. The G/S is the best handling motorcycle out there. There is NOTHING BETTER on a twisty mountain road. I am 5’-8” tall with a 31” inseam. I have never had an issue with seat height or weight of the bike. One just needs to learn the proper way to pick up ANY motorcycle. I think YOU would be much happier with a 350 Kawasaki verses……. JMHO…. P.S. I have ridden this bike in the dirt many times and have had nothing but FUN!!!
I have a 2018 gsa. The only thing I agree with is the weight but I knew that getting on it. Obviously protect everything on the bike especially if you’re doing a lot of off road like me.
You get what you pay for and in the GS world, you're paying for one of the greatest all-around bikes in motorcycling history. NO other bike does so many things so incredibly well with such ease. The Boxer motor has a pleasant, throaty unique sound. Like a Piper Cub.
Yamaha S10, 2021 better than any BMW. Reliability second to none. But ugly. with a can and reflash you'll maybe run 105 horses at the rear over terrain the BMW will spit you onto.
Engine sound is something that isn’t engineered into the bike. It’s what happens when the EPA regulates how much db is allowed coming from the exhaust. The High cost of parts isn’t a problem, you bought the bike knowing parts would be expensive. It isn’t a British bike! Traction control is somewhat over rated. As far as it goes, it is more of a farkle than a necessity. Finally the weight is there on the spec sheet. Fifty pounds lighter still makes it a quarter ton motorcycle... if you can pull 500 pounds out of a mud bog, then you can pull out 550 pounds. I don’t see any of your “points” as valid, more nit-picking than anything else. Maybe the new BMW 310 is a better fit for you. So, here you have a nice GS. I have one too. I like the sound, I enjoy the ride height too. Replacement parts are only an expensive if you buy them new. I like the heavy feel. I feel safe and anchored to the road when a huge truck stirs up a vortex. Finally, the traction control on most bikes are a relative to where you want to ride a heavy, funny sounding, expensive motorcycle. ........ in this instance a BMW. Not trolling, just not agreeing with you on your assessment of this very nicely engineered Motorcycle.
Thanks Roger, I feel the same way. Plus he went and bought the next model. Seems to me he is milking YT and trying to generate income any way possible. Nothing wrong with that as so many others do the same.
@@davidfalgout7304 I have to agree, the GS sound is boring, as someone who rides both Harley and BMW and dirt bikes and I fly airplanes, I can attest the sound of an engine is everything for me and everyone I know. I mean who doesn’t go to a track of any kind to hear the roar of the engines? Who would the Blue Angels be if they flew quit jets?
I certainly agree with the weight issue - not a problem until it is, and it gets that way often if you ride off road. I own an 04 1150 GS so I can't say about the newer ones, but one of my biggest gripes is that first gear is not low enough. If we're riding off road and using these things like tractors, then it should have a tractor-like first gear. Then you might (just maybe) be able to crawl through the tight places instead of blasting and crashing or abusing the clutch to find the right speed.
totally agree (mine is a 2008 so its pretty much unrideable off road with the tc on) $30 for turn signal is beyond gouging. On the other hand I have been riding with a few friends that have new 790 and even my old BMW doesn't give up much on them. I came into the GS fold begrudgingly and expected to sell my bike after a few months but as it turns out I fell in love.
great vid. put in some long days in the saddle and a quiet bike becomes very desirable. the big beemer has its place and it not on trails. that bike is designed to slay desert crossings at 100 mph with no care about gas.
True, Az to Tenn to Oh, to Mich to Sturgis to Mont to AZ. All highway, what a total drag on the straights until the centerstand and windshield broke in SD. Only thing more boring was the goldwing I got next.
Interesting points. Writing to point out my reaction to the video quality -- colors appear washed out and things look extra contrast-y. Wondering if the video was recorded with a smartphone.
I like the sound just fine. In fact, I prefer the stock muffler over the akro muffler. I had a Vstrom 650 before my 1200GS and that was even more uninspiring. My pet peeve is why only have one turn signal indicator vs. 2 independent indicators like on previous model years. WTF!
Its a 1200 with a lot of stuff. Its power or weight. Once you realy go off road a lot. A lightweight bike is a must. Like you said. Dropping the bike in a non frendly environment is gonna be a lot of hussle.
I got a 2011 Tripple Black GS and I wouldn't trade it for anything. It's lighter then the 2013+ versions (a lot less top heavy). I don't have 'modes' on traction (on, S and off) The exhaust sound is ok even original. And once the engine is truely warmed up (after several hours) , the engine sound is just yummie :3 But I do agree on the costs, it's ridiculous,...
I have a 2020 Africa Twin Dct. I have the Outback_Mototech upper,lower crash bars and there bash plate. Plus I have there pannier racks which are like rear crash bars. is makes for a bike as heavy as the 1200GSA. My AT is a real chore to pick up alone. From the videos I've seen, the GSA looks easier to pick up. I can get a 2016 GSA for 16K.
I have a 1200 from 2005 and will never replace it with a later model. It is simple (no traction control, only ABS) I can do all regular maintenance by myself, and can go anywhere I care to go. Mind you, I am not an adventure rider, that is, one of those who aim at every water puddle that they find on a trail, so that they can splash it. You got the drift .... Some of the points mentioned in this video are inherent to the bike and / or subjective. As the sound for example: it is distinctive, it depends on the engine and firing sequence. The real issue with the bike is its height. One is towering the road, which is OK-ish on a paved road, but when things get unpaved .... I'd rather be lower. I am 182 cm tall BTW
Parts may be expensive to discourage owners from keeping the vehicle on the road for a long period of time. Buying a new bike is what 's preferred. There also may be agreements with other stakeholders governing such.
With a big bike there is only so much they can do to cut weight. But I agree about the sound, that's why I went with the triple, there is just no way I could listed to that boxer engine all day.
I agree with the maintenance and parts cost...but not so much on weight and sound. It sounds very unique and never fails to turn heads (although maybe its because people wonder what that weird sound is lol). It's heavy, but thats a lifesaver on the road, and after looking at weights for scramblers and other adv bikes, Im not seeing how 20-30 lbs really makes a difference. That said, I didnt buy mine to tear it up on rutted, muddy trails... I'd buy something far smaller and less expensive for that.
I rode a 2020 1250 GS a few weeks ago. The thing that drove me nuts was the shifter. On my 790 R my toes slips under the shifter easily and allows for smooth shifting either sitting or standing. On the GS, it didn’t fit, and did not appear to be easily adjustable. The guys I was with said to shift with the side of your boot and toe, not the top. So swinging my foot out. It was tough. I accidentally down shifted or put it in neutral more than once while flying down the California Aqueduct. Not fun. Honestly it keeps me away from buying one
I'll offer one more issue. I want more adjustability of the suspension. I would also like to have dampening circuits (high/low speed) and rebound control, not BMW's factory settings. Unfortunately it cant be retuned.
Has anyone put the Akra headers on their GS to match the silencer? Most don’t and just leave stock headers on. I bought my GS new but it was a demonstrator and it came with the Akra silencer fitted. [also came with stock silencer in a box]. After reading up a bit I discovered that Akra made their own larger bore headers which gave a few extra horses. As one who thinks a few extra ponies can’t hurt I purchased a pair. However the db level increased quite a bit which I initially liked but after a couple of k miles, I tired with the noise quite quickly. As for the extra hp the new headers were meant to produce, I’d either have to have a stock bike to ride alongside mine or put it on a dyno as tbh I couldn’t tell for sure how much of a difference it really made. I will add however that several more knowledgeable people than me advised me that to get the extra hp the bike needed a different ignition/file module and setting up properly on a dyno. However for general riding I’d say my GS has enough power but on the occasions I want to nail it, I find I can have the throttle pinned and hitting the rev limiter too soon which is often disappointing. I’d be interested in comparing the 1250?
After about 5 years of owning my R1200 GSW the back wheel tire pressure monitor battery failed and naturally I could not just change the battery. The new TPM was about $160. I complained that the TPM monitor on my 2010 Mustang cost about $80 and they offered me a discount. I still think this part cost is insane. I doubt any other brand would be much cheaper.
Remember their parts will all be insane, time will tell. Had a 05' GS and maint was always an issue, liked it until the bike got boring. Should've gotten the big KTM.
Love review, spot on except the sound of the bike, of everyone has there option and mine is I love the sound, boxer rattles the grunt out the tail pipe when you get on it, and the quite when cruising , but like said great review. Thanks.
Gotta say I like the GS sound actually. I like that boxer raspy ricer sound quite a bit. Fulfills my teenager dreams of owning a WRX with a big fart cannon on it.
I agree the stock sound is a bit muted. On mine I’ve gone full Akrapovic. Get the headers as well. It sounds awesome especially above 7000 RPM. And the headers go an amazing purple/green colour. Apart from the price it’s a win all around.
I agree with all of these, except the sound... Mine sounds absolutely great. And to think that it is because of the fact it's a boxer motor? What about the sound of a posrche 911? Or Subaru? It's the Katalysator (it's that the English word as well) that kills your joy of the sound. If you want it to sound more aggressive, you'll have to replace it with an open Y-pipe... I really wish it had a button with like 3 different modes for standard quick settings, for off-road or something. Set it to 3 and abs and traction control is all off and STAYS OFF after you restart the bike. It's super annoying to change everything again after the engine stalled in off-road
Love the GSA. The big Bertha. These bikes are for escaping when the Zombies are chasing us. Weight does not bother me. Are kidding, the sound is awesome with the Akrapovic. Since this bike sees a higher percentage of road miles than off-road I would like to see a much better horn, electric windscreen, an optional additional set of high lumen LED lights. All else I agree.
BMW like to charge large numbers for everything on all their vehicles. I had my 2018 530 serviced under a service package a few weeks ago and while that was free, they said I needed rear brake PADS, which cost me $341.50.
Rather than sound, the upward angle of the tail pipe is probably my biggest pet peeve after weight. With a lower angle, you could have a full size bag on the right side, and ground clearance would basically be the same. There is no practical reason for it to be up that high, its just to make it look a certain way.
I agree the R1200GS IS a top of the line bike & a best seller-but for some of us the initial cost + hi maintenance $, super expensive fluids & parts, & you said it, the weight, + higher insurance is a turn-off now driving me from my BMW toward the mid-sized 700-1000cc brands, HKS -Honda Kawa Suzuki. And even with all the above, the BMW can have a few really annoying issues that I didn't expect to see with such a "hi-quality" product. But I still give it an A- rating overall.
I thought it sounded great. You did remind me to get some protection for the headlight so thanks for that. As for the under-seat module, though it's a bit of a nuisance you could wire it to a wee switch.
I agree point 1. Is BMW using lead parts in bike? I'd replace your 2 and 3. With: 2. Position of muffler. Why uppright? It prevents using proper pannier on muffler side. Same issue in older oil heads and new wet heads. People install big pizza boxes outside of muffler which makes wide bike even wider. On non-muffler side the BMW vario pannier is really good. 3. Why extra universal joint at rear? This has left so many riders alone in dark when the joint or shaft splines give up. And w´two more issues in general: Why BMW changed the shaft drive to left side when the water cooling was introduced to boxers? To sell more panniers since the old ones don't fit ?? And last not least. BMW sales organisation. They have 'killed' small dealerships with good customer service and skilled and motivated service persons. Now there has to be marble desk and and lot of bling in Beemer shop, they certainly make bikes so expensive but don't give any extra value to customers. BR JJ there are 10 kinds of people. those who understand binary and those who don'T
Your video was VERY Useful! I've been looking at upgrading my '08 KLR650. Recently, I was on Cycletrader for a 2010-13 or so BMW, thank you, now I'm Not.
Agreed on all points! It’s sad that BMW has gone the wrong direction on weight, as opposed to just about every other manufacturer. I think it’s more a reflection of the demographics of who they’re customer base is. The folks buying these more and more are men in their 50s, 60s and 70s who want its touring comforts and rarely take it off road. Almost no one under the age of 50 can afford these bikes that now go for $22-30K, plus the parts. The fact you need to buy a lens protector that doesn’t come standard is just asinine, just to avoid replacing a $1,500 part. And if you get the 1250GSA, you’re looking at 600 pounds in wet weight! Not to mention, if you’re a woman, weight is one of the most critical features of these ADV bikes. BMW used to be the leader in ADV bikes, with its GS being more of an esoteric funny looking bike that was strangely useful to those who knew about it. Now it’s just a very nice touring bike. Which is fine, but KTM will fill the void over the next 10 years.
Even the weight of the f850gs (229kg) is now surpassed the weight of the old air cooled r1200gs. The f850gsA is just a crazy weight now is it like 242kg or something. And even the kawasaki led headlight unit for the z1000sx is £1400 +vat. I expect there all that expensive. OEM
The biggest down as owner of k1600 is the gps. I haven’t seen such crap thing before. As such I use my old iPhone and google maps on it. Now working on 3D print to replace bmw gps for iPhone. Do not use your daily use phone as gps if you mount it on handlebar as the new phones have stabilization in cameras and do to constant vibration it fail and is expensive to replace
Love BMW but these are all valid points. I own two BMW motorcycles and two Harley’s . I gotta admit one of the funnest aspects of riding a Harley is the sound and no I don’t run stock pipes but the transition from Harley to BMW as far as sound goes really is boring. Ok all you hard core BMW Harley haters may attack me now. 😹
@@bseidem5112 There’s a lot of posers Riding Harley’s pretending to be outlaws. There’s only a lifestyle if you subscribe to one otherwise you’re just riding a motorcycle. Have I Done the patched biker thing? Yes, been in 3 clubs but I’m getting bored with it. Thinking I just want to ride these days be it Harley or BMW my two favorite bikes.
I'm not liking that huge muffler. It looks heavy, it is high up on the bike, and it is gaudy looking to me. The sound isn't bad, but BMW should either install two smaller mufflers, or else hide part of it behind body panels. It also looks like it would burn the crap out of any passenger... It is HUGE. I understand that this is an "after market" muffler, but FFS... hide that huge Muff.
Loved the sound of the stock exhaust on my '07 1200 GSA but after fitting Metal Mule balanced ali panniers (both panniers the same size) and the MM specced Scorpion exhaust the sound is sooooo much better.
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In Norway there is a joke that goes around when somebody can not lift its own weight or run fast enough ... They simply say " you need to grow stronger"..
In Sweden we have a lot of jokes about Norway and Norwegians. And I guess also the opposite 😅
For me the sound is delicious
Beefy farty goodness
it‘s a matter of personal taste
That sound makes me smile when I hear someone else's go past, because it is an auditory reminder of how much better life is on my bike.
I love the weight of the gs, especially on highways, it doesn't move even while approaching trucks
True
I love the GS for its sound.... the boxer engine sets it apart from it rivals.
sets it apart how? by sounding the worst?
@@drumbum7999 stock? Yeav with an exhaust its sounds awesome
Yes indeed!
One note on the engine sound from the boxer engine. I ride and live in Northern Idaho. I have seen deer eating on the side of the road. Have seen Harleys, Hondas, Suzukis, Kawasakis and Yamahas ride right past them. They ignore those bikes, but when I ride my R1200 G/S by them, they look up and run the other way……
I could live with everything except the high cost of parts and maintenance.Even the chain saw sound.😊Thanks Ian.👍🏻👍🏻
Can't agree with the sound comment. My 2014 sounds good to me with the stock can on.
may be you just like fart sound :) joking
The stock sound is pretty nice at low and medium rpms. At high revs I didn't find it that appealing, but then again the option exhaust doesn't do it for me neither as it has the same sound note
Sound matters only when it's too loud.
+1 I’ve always found the boxers to be nice and trumpety
I prefer the lower tunes of bikes with fewer cylinders in general. I think the boxer engine makes a beautifull sound with more bass compared to some other bikes. I even get why some people like the harley sounds, I kind off like them to, but prefer a sound without the pops. I've got one of thease beauties ua-cam.com/video/EFhtvUs5DlI/v-deo.html (not my video). listen to that and tell me that is not the most beautiful sound in the world.I am of course in love with my motorcycle, which enhances the experience.
i have the air/oil cooled version from 2008, now 70000km on it without any issue. i will go for 200 000km 😎
I'm sure BMW has thoroughly considered everything in this video. The stock sound is perfect for long rides and louder sexier exhaust would get VERY old. In fact many have gone to aftermarket exhausts and returned to stock.
Hi Matt, I totally agree with you. When I bought my used 2017 1200GSA, it came with the Akrapovic exhaust.....it sounded "cool" at the beginning, but after the first long ride.... I decided to get rid of it. I bought a used stock exhaust (in mint conditions) and got rid of the Akra.....best thing I ever did!
The sound is just very even it just fires alternative cylinders equally. The f800 sound the same and i like it.when they pass you at 80-90mph they dont even sound like there trying
I agree Matt. Put 90,000 miles on an '07 and another 50k (so far) on an '11. Stock exhaust is MUSIC, especially in hour 5 of a 10 hour day!! I think our friend is new to the game. I get that he's making video's (good ones even) but another vid exposed 3k miles on a 17 model. Gonna have to put some mileage in before opera means more than BRAP.
@@RumorHazi I've found personally that louder exhaust notes (of any subjective quality) increase mental fatigue on longer rides. When I was a kid I used to clip playing cards to my bicycle forks to make sounds, but the older I got the quieter I've wanted it.
A quiet exhaust gives you that bicycle feel when cruising at low speeds.
The weight is fine. I like the stability in fierce winds.
The sound is even better. It’s loud enough to be heard without being obnoxious to everyone else. I don’t want my GS to sound or look like a Japanese bike. Let’s keep it BMW?
Traction control? Splitting hairs.
I would agree that she’s an expensive mistress. It’s a very expensive way to travel. But no bike I’ve ridden comes close to its beautiful engineering. So we pay.
Judging from the video, perhaps the 310 would be a better fit for you?
Lovely put.
@mark33zumba62 weight really only makes a difference if you off road it.
BMW became a religion, but unlike HD, they sell you a complete motorcycle
Harley Davidson is a t-shirt company that happen to make bikes
@@vinniewalker2129 Ha! good one lol
@@drbwhit I have a HD 2019 cvo street glide... 117ci and now I just bought a bmw gs adventure 1200 2013 ac I love it... but it seems to break down when trying or it wants to pick the wheel... has 170ks of fuel or 1/4 tank of gas in it. not sure what is going on... but I love it... I think this bmw would give my Harley a run for its money.
@@vinniewalker2129 I just stumbled on the deal of the century literally today. A 2016 our 1200 GS adventure premium package with 450 miles and another at least $5000 worth of BMW accessories for 18k. It’s a brand new bike. The dude Bought it to take a trip down to South America but he ended up busting his femur years ago and just never has rode it other than a couple of times to work and around the neighborhood a little bit. Again 450 original miles. The thing literally looks like it’s right out of the crate. That bike when he bought it was 25 grand at least.
"The BMW Tax" lol i like it and fully understand what you mean. Harley Davidson must use the same tax man lol
Can't hate it to much, you bought a heavier and more expensive version.
Still don’t understand why UA-camrs using the word “Hate” so much. Why don’t they say dislike instead.
@@NordicAdvRider clicks, maybe? Like the overuse of "insane" and "brutal" in video titles.
I have always enjoyed a quieter motor sound. Not silent, but an efficient air sucking sound with a little grunt mixed in. Like the old RS's with stock pipes. Loud pipes really annoy me and everyone (non riders) around me. I used to get good comments on the sound of my old RS.
Now make a video about the 5 things you love about the R1200GS. The boxer engine comes to mind. The ABS is fantastic! Brake hard with only the front brake from high speed. Awesome!! Totally unexpected perfection. (Just did a BMW riding course)
I have that video here
Great video. Agreed, although no bike is perfect and as far as bikes go, the GS beats every other bike, overall IMO. Like you i have owned (or ridden) almost every adventure bike ever made. On the1200 gripes, I can add one more thing, which is bike specific, and that is oscillating vibrations through the driveline. Just gave my bike back to bmw - they admitted that the 1200 LC vibrates and lot, and mine more so. Gave me my money back (i rode it 8 months) and a great deal on the new 1250, which is MUCH smoother. Thank you BMW
BMW 1200 LC? What do you mean by that? What model year was it that had oscillating issues?
Always loved the thumpy boxer sound, probably why I’m on my 3rd “R” and looking at getting one like in the video
The BMW Boxer has always been marketed as “the *quiet* well-engineered bike” since at least the early ‘60s. A triple or inline 4 does “sound” better, but horses for courses.
I don’t think you are correct about traction control. On my 2018, I have the Pro plug installed and I can go into settings and CHOOSE either Enduro OR Enduro Pro for DTC setting. All the plug does is allow me to EDIT the mode. It doesn’t eliminate any mode options.
Same for my 2015. Plug in and I get both enduro and enduro pro.
Same here. Perhaps he just needs to actually ride it.
Same on my 2014, enduro and enduro pro enabled whenever I want
I remember a few years back I rode a 2007 R1200GS 2200 kms over Australia’s Snowy mountains. It had a stock exhaust. I really grew to love the the subtle tone of the twin.
Just something about it.
it's great for touring
Sounds like you CHOSE the wrong bike! BMW’s are not for everyone. I own a 2007 R1200 G/S. After 62,000 miles I am still in love. I have ridden every R1200 since as a test rider for an after market windshield manufacturer. Loved everything about them as well. The G/S is the best handling motorcycle out there. There is NOTHING BETTER on a twisty mountain road. I am 5’-8” tall with a 31” inseam. I have never had an issue with seat height or weight of the bike. One just needs to learn the proper way to pick up ANY motorcycle.
I think YOU would be much happier with a 350 Kawasaki verses……. JMHO….
P.S. I have ridden this bike in the dirt many times and have had nothing but FUN!!!
I have a 2018 gsa. The only thing I agree with is the weight but I knew that getting on it. Obviously protect everything on the bike especially if you’re doing a lot of off road like me.
You get what you pay for and in the GS world, you're paying for one of the greatest all-around bikes in motorcycling history. NO other bike does so many things so incredibly well with such ease. The Boxer motor has a pleasant, throaty unique sound. Like a Piper Cub.
Yamaha S10, 2021 better than any BMW. Reliability second to none. But ugly. with a can and reflash you'll maybe run 105 horses at the rear over terrain the BMW will spit you onto.
@@bseidem5112 A Yamaha "better than any BMW"? LOL. Get help for your delusionalism.
Engine sound is something that isn’t engineered into the bike. It’s what happens when the EPA regulates how much db is allowed coming from the exhaust. The High cost of parts isn’t a problem, you bought the bike knowing parts would be expensive. It isn’t a British bike! Traction control is somewhat over rated. As far as it goes, it is more of a farkle than a necessity. Finally the weight is there on the spec sheet. Fifty pounds lighter still makes it a quarter ton motorcycle... if you can pull 500 pounds out of a mud bog, then you can pull out 550 pounds. I don’t see any of your “points” as valid, more nit-picking than anything else. Maybe the new BMW 310 is a better fit for you. So, here you have a nice GS. I have one too. I like the sound, I enjoy the ride height too. Replacement parts are only an expensive if you buy them new. I like the heavy feel. I feel safe and anchored to the road when a huge truck stirs up a vortex. Finally, the traction control on most bikes are a relative to where you want to ride a heavy, funny sounding, expensive motorcycle. ........ in this instance a BMW. Not trolling, just not agreeing with you on your assessment of this very nicely engineered Motorcycle.
Thanks Roger, I feel the same way. Plus he went and bought the next model. Seems to me he is milking YT and trying to generate income any way possible. Nothing wrong with that as so many others do the same.
@@davidfalgout7304 I have to agree, the GS sound is boring, as someone who rides both Harley and BMW and dirt bikes and I fly airplanes, I can attest the sound of an engine is everything for me and everyone I know. I mean who doesn’t go to a track of any kind to hear the roar of the engines? Who would the Blue Angels be if they flew quit jets?
I certainly agree with the weight issue - not a problem until it is, and it gets that way often if you ride off road. I own an 04 1150 GS so I can't say about the newer ones, but one of my biggest gripes is that first gear is not low enough. If we're riding off road and using these things like tractors, then it should have a tractor-like first gear. Then you might (just maybe) be able to crawl through the tight places instead of blasting and crashing or abusing the clutch to find the right speed.
totally agree (mine is a 2008 so its pretty much unrideable off road with the tc on) $30 for turn signal is beyond gouging. On the other hand I have been riding with a few friends that have new 790 and even my old BMW doesn't give up much on them. I came into the GS fold begrudgingly and expected to sell my bike after a few months but as it turns out I fell in love.
On my second GS now(‘18 1200GSA), they are sort of awesome… they do everything I need and are so very comfortable. Just a great bike.
great vid. put in some long days in the saddle and a quiet bike becomes very desirable. the big beemer has its place and it not on trails. that bike is designed to slay desert crossings at 100 mph with no care about gas.
True, Az to Tenn to Oh, to Mich to Sturgis to Mont to AZ. All highway, what a total drag on the straights until the centerstand and windshield broke in SD. Only thing more boring was the goldwing I got next.
Interesting points. Writing to point out my reaction to the video quality -- colors appear washed out and things look extra contrast-y. Wondering if the video was recorded with a smartphone.
There is no "perfect" motorcycle. That's why I ride a bicycle.
I like the sound just fine. In fact, I prefer the stock muffler over the akro muffler. I had a Vstrom 650 before my 1200GS and that was even more uninspiring. My pet peeve is why only have one turn signal indicator vs. 2 independent indicators like on previous model years. WTF!
Its a 1200 with a lot of stuff. Its power or weight. Once you realy go off road a lot. A lightweight bike is a must. Like you said. Dropping the bike in a non frendly environment is gonna be a lot of hussle.
I like the sound of it. I do think you've got the wrong muffler on it though. The SC Project sounds a LOT better.
I would never be able to own a bike whos sound I dislike. To me, boxer sounds delicious, even with the original can.
To each his own. I find the sound comforting, just not exciting.
I got a 2011 Tripple Black GS and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
It's lighter then the 2013+ versions (a lot less top heavy).
I don't have 'modes' on traction (on, S and off)
The exhaust sound is ok even original.
And once the engine is truely warmed up (after several hours) , the engine sound is just yummie :3
But I do agree on the costs, it's ridiculous,...
I have a 2020 Africa Twin Dct. I have the Outback_Mototech upper,lower crash bars and there bash plate. Plus I have there pannier racks which are like rear crash bars. is makes for a bike as heavy as the 1200GSA. My AT is a real chore to pick up alone. From the videos I've seen, the GSA looks easier to pick up. I can get a 2016 GSA for 16K.
Sound is perfect.
I keep looking at your house in the background... Many of us can only dream about having such a view from a deck!
Where was this filmed? Like the mountain bike and the scenery in the background.
Looks like the Idllywild, CA area.
I have a 1200 from 2005 and will never replace it with a later model. It is simple (no traction control, only ABS) I can do all regular maintenance by myself, and can go anywhere I care to go. Mind you, I am not an adventure rider, that is, one of those who aim at every water puddle that they find on a trail, so that they can splash it. You got the drift ....
Some of the points mentioned in this video are inherent to the bike and / or subjective. As the sound for example: it is distinctive, it depends on the engine and firing sequence.
The real issue with the bike is its height. One is towering the road, which is OK-ish on a paved road, but when things get unpaved .... I'd rather be lower. I am 182 cm tall BTW
I'm a Harley guy,but I like how you show all the honest opinion on it! Like for you and subscribe !
Parts may be expensive to discourage owners from keeping the vehicle on the road for a long period of time. Buying a new bike is what 's preferred. There also may be agreements with other stakeholders governing such.
I like all your vedios man , thanks alot , You are an honest man.
Thanks I try
Great channel Ian , living my dream 👍🏻👍🏻🍻
Why do we need a quick shifter on an adventure tourer? i dont see any reason why? all this really jacks up the cost..
Actually I love it. Don't need for offroad really but on the street it is great
With a big bike there is only so much they can do to cut weight. But I agree about the sound, that's why I went with the triple, there is just no way I could listed to that boxer engine all day.
Love triples!
Agree about all except the sound it sounds awesome lol
Agree completely. Also, I would add that they are too high. If the word "medium" is common in the world why to BMW's have to be "tall"?
I agree with the maintenance and parts cost...but not so much on weight and sound. It sounds very unique and never fails to turn heads (although maybe its because people wonder what that weird sound is lol). It's heavy, but thats a lifesaver on the road, and after looking at weights for scramblers and other adv bikes, Im not seeing how 20-30 lbs really makes a difference. That said, I didnt buy mine to tear it up on rutted, muddy trails... I'd buy something far smaller and less expensive for that.
I rode a 2020 1250 GS a few weeks ago. The thing that drove me nuts was the shifter. On my 790 R my toes slips under the shifter easily and allows for smooth shifting either sitting or standing. On the GS, it didn’t fit, and did not appear to be easily adjustable. The guys I was with said to shift with the side of your boot and toe, not the top. So swinging my foot out. It was tough. I accidentally down shifted or put it in neutral more than once while flying down the California Aqueduct. Not fun. Honestly it keeps me away from buying one
Heard the 890 fixed the 790 issues.
I can access all the modes on my GS??
I'll offer one more issue. I want more adjustability of the suspension. I would also like to have dampening circuits (high/low speed) and rebound control, not BMW's factory settings. Unfortunately it cant be retuned.
KTM, get to be good buddies w/ the Duck mech.
Has anyone put the Akra headers on their GS to match the silencer? Most don’t and just leave stock headers on. I bought my GS new but it was a demonstrator and it came with the Akra silencer fitted. [also came with stock silencer in a box]. After reading up a bit I discovered that Akra made their own larger bore headers which gave a few extra horses. As one who thinks a few extra ponies can’t hurt I purchased a pair. However the db level increased quite a bit which I initially liked but after a couple of k miles, I tired with the noise quite quickly. As for the extra hp the new headers were meant to produce, I’d either have to have a stock bike to ride alongside mine or put it on a dyno as tbh I couldn’t tell for sure how much of a difference it really made. I will add however that several more knowledgeable people than me advised me that to get the extra hp the bike needed a different ignition/file module and setting up properly on a dyno. However for general riding I’d say my GS has enough power but on the occasions I want to nail it, I find I can have the throttle pinned and hitting the rev limiter too soon which is often disappointing. I’d be interested in comparing the 1250?
After about 5 years of owning my R1200 GSW the back wheel tire pressure monitor battery failed and naturally I could not just change the battery. The new TPM was about $160. I complained that the TPM monitor on my 2010 Mustang cost about $80 and they offered me a discount. I still think this part cost is insane.
I doubt any other brand would be much cheaper.
Remember their parts will all be insane, time will tell. Had a 05' GS and maint was always an issue, liked it until the bike got boring. Should've gotten the big KTM.
don´t care about the weight. Rides like a bycicle. But always greate to hear opinions against the hype. Well done !
What about the tank capacity??????
5.3g I get 230 miles - I am fine. GSA is there for people who want more.
If you like the Tiger more . . . buy a Tiger!!!
Love review, spot on except the sound of the bike, of everyone has there option and mine is I love the sound, boxer rattles the grunt out the tail pipe when you get on it, and the quite when cruising , but like said great review. Thanks.
I agree about the sound. Boxer twin sounds OK overall but it's one of my least favorite sounding engines after Honda VFR1200F (VFR800 was amazing).
Despite the exhaust sound part I agree with you.
Gotta say I like the GS sound actually. I like that boxer raspy ricer sound quite a bit. Fulfills my teenager dreams of owning a WRX with a big fart cannon on it.
I agree the stock sound is a bit muted. On mine I’ve gone full Akrapovic. Get the headers as well. It sounds awesome especially above 7000 RPM. And the headers go an amazing purple/green colour. Apart from the price it’s a win all around.
What crash bars do you have on the bike?
agreed - these correlate with my experiences owning gsa, and gs bikes
The boxer engine should sound like the old Triumph, Norton, BSA double thumpers because they work similar
Is it bad that I think the gs pipe sounded better than the triumph? That tiger audio clip sounded more like a weed eater.
Subjective,of course,but the looks of this motorcycle are enough to put me off regardless of how good/ or bad, it may be.
The expense to us also allow stability of the manufacturer to produce highest quality. Never complain about prices of a quality item.
Love the conversation with your stock broker. If I hadn't already subscribed, I would have. :)
I agree with all of these, except the sound... Mine sounds absolutely great. And to think that it is because of the fact it's a boxer motor? What about the sound of a posrche 911? Or Subaru? It's the Katalysator (it's that the English word as well) that kills your joy of the sound. If you want it to sound more aggressive, you'll have to replace it with an open Y-pipe...
I really wish it had a button with like 3 different modes for standard quick settings, for off-road or something. Set it to 3 and abs and traction control is all off and STAYS OFF after you restart the bike. It's super annoying to change everything again after the engine stalled in off-road
Love the GSA. The big Bertha. These bikes are for escaping when the Zombies are chasing us. Weight does not bother me. Are kidding, the sound is awesome with the Akrapovic. Since this bike sees a higher percentage of road miles than off-road I would like to see a much better horn, electric windscreen, an optional additional set of high lumen LED lights. All else I agree.
Nice job. Very impressive and honest review. I love my 2017 GSA and it’s perfect for me and the riding I do. But I agree with you 100%.
Recommend you the Africa Twin :)
BMW like to charge large numbers for everything on all their vehicles. I had my 2018 530 serviced under a service package a few weeks ago and while that was free, they said I needed rear brake PADS, which cost me $341.50.
Rather than sound, the upward angle of the tail pipe is probably my biggest pet peeve after weight. With a lower angle, you could have a full size bag on the right side, and ground clearance would basically be the same. There is no practical reason for it to be up that high, its just to make it look a certain way.
I agree the R1200GS IS a top of the line bike & a best seller-but for some of us the initial cost + hi maintenance $, super expensive fluids & parts, & you said it, the weight, + higher insurance is a turn-off now driving me from my BMW toward the mid-sized 700-1000cc brands, HKS -Honda Kawa Suzuki. And even with all the above, the BMW can have a few really annoying issues that I didn't expect to see with such a "hi-quality" product. But I still give it an A- rating overall.
I see your difficulties but for me I want a good shaft driven tourer but bikes are so expensive especially BMW.
I thought it sounded great. You did remind me to get some protection for the headlight so thanks for that. As for the under-seat module, though it's a bit of a nuisance you could wire it to a wee switch.
i love my gs sound man
I agree point 1. Is BMW using lead parts in bike?
I'd replace your 2 and 3. With:
2. Position of muffler. Why uppright? It prevents using proper pannier on muffler side. Same issue in older oil heads and new wet heads.
People install big pizza boxes outside of muffler which makes wide bike even wider.
On non-muffler side the BMW vario pannier is really good.
3. Why extra universal joint at rear? This has left so many riders alone in dark when the joint or shaft splines give up.
And w´two more issues in general:
Why BMW changed the shaft drive to left side when the water cooling was introduced to boxers? To sell more panniers since the old ones don't fit ??
And last not least.
BMW sales organisation. They have 'killed' small dealerships with good customer service and skilled and motivated service persons.
Now there has to be marble desk and and lot of bling in Beemer shop, they certainly make bikes so expensive but don't give any extra value to customers.
BR JJ
there are 10 kinds of people. those who understand binary and those who don'T
Yoy need a arrow complete exhaust with cat delete. Mine sounds great.
Your video was VERY Useful! I've been looking at upgrading my '08 KLR650. Recently, I was on Cycletrader for a 2010-13 or so BMW, thank you, now I'm Not.
Just dont buy a BMW water cooled earlier than 2015. You are taking a big chance if you do.
Agreed on all points!
It’s sad that BMW has gone the wrong direction on weight, as opposed to just about every other manufacturer. I think it’s more a reflection of the demographics of who they’re customer base is. The folks buying these more and more are men in their 50s, 60s and 70s who want its touring comforts and rarely take it off road. Almost no one under the age of 50 can afford these bikes that now go for $22-30K, plus the parts. The fact you need to buy a lens protector that doesn’t come standard is just asinine, just to avoid replacing a $1,500 part. And if you get the 1250GSA, you’re looking at 600 pounds in wet weight! Not to mention, if you’re a woman, weight is one of the most critical features of these ADV bikes.
BMW used to be the leader in ADV bikes, with its GS being more of an esoteric funny looking bike that was strangely useful to those who knew about it. Now it’s just a very nice touring bike. Which is fine, but KTM will fill the void over the next 10 years.
Even the weight of the f850gs (229kg) is now surpassed the weight of the old air cooled r1200gs. The f850gsA is just a crazy weight now is it like 242kg or something. And even the kawasaki led headlight unit for the z1000sx is £1400 +vat. I expect there all that expensive. OEM
Why not just buy a new headlight from eBay? There are loads of them for around 200-400$. No need for genuine when you change something a lot.
The biggest down as owner of k1600 is the gps. I haven’t seen such crap thing before. As such I use my old iPhone and google maps on it. Now working on 3D print to replace bmw gps for iPhone. Do not use your daily use phone as gps if you mount it on handlebar as the new phones have stabilization in cameras and do to constant vibration it fail and is expensive to replace
Love BMW but these are all valid points. I own two BMW motorcycles and two Harley’s . I gotta admit one of the funnest aspects of riding a Harley is the sound and no I don’t run stock pipes but the transition from Harley to BMW as far as sound goes really is boring.
Ok all you hard core BMW Harley haters may attack me now. 😹
I think I've begun to see the light with HD, just got to see to reliability. Hit 72 yr and the lifestye is looking better.
@@bseidem5112 There’s a lot of posers Riding Harley’s pretending to be outlaws. There’s only a lifestyle if you subscribe to one otherwise you’re just riding a motorcycle. Have I Done the patched biker thing? Yes, been in 3 clubs but I’m getting bored with it. Thinking I just want to ride these days be it Harley or BMW my two favorite bikes.
I'm not liking that huge muffler. It looks heavy, it is high up on the bike, and it is gaudy looking to me. The sound isn't bad, but BMW should either install two smaller mufflers, or else hide part of it behind body panels. It also looks like it would burn the crap out of any passenger... It is HUGE.
I understand that this is an "after market" muffler, but FFS... hide that huge Muff.
What engine protectors do you have? Thanks
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@@BigRockMoto
Great thanks
When are you buy the 790?
The exhaust sounds good. Look, it's not a Ducati or Triumph triple, but it ain't bad at all.
Your house looks amazing
Loved the sound of the stock exhaust on my '07 1200 GSA but after fitting Metal Mule balanced ali panniers (both panniers the same size) and the MM specced Scorpion exhaust the sound is sooooo much better.
Two things that I really hate about the GS1200 are engine sound and they clutch.
I think the sound is due to preferences I for example like it a lot.
Thanks for the vid man just wondering what your thoughts are on this vs the Africa Twin off road and in the twisties?
Great review! New subscriber with a brand new ATAS (purchased last week). Beautiful area...what part of the country?
Hi Ian,
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2021 GSA's have all those upgrades
yep, I now ride a 2021
The sound? That's what you're complaining about? Lost me at that point