It's pretty amazing to think that the software industry is so young that the OG's are still alive today and can be interviewed like this. We've come a very long way in a very short time.
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I really enjoyed this conversation with Bjarne. Here's the outline: 0:00 - Introduction 1:40 - First program 2:18 - Journey to C++ 16:45 - Learning multiple languages 23:20 - Javascript 25:08 - Efficiency and reliability in C++ 31:53 - What does good code look like? 36:45 - Static checkers 41:16 - Zero-overhead principle in C++ 50:00 - Different implementation of C++ 54:46 - Key features of C++ 1:08:02 - C++ Concepts 1:18:06 - C++ Standards Process 1:28:05 - Constructors and destructors 1:31:52 - Unified theory of programming 1:38:10 - Machine learning 1:44:20 - Proudest moment
this man wasn't getting what he wanted out of the languages he had at his disposal, so he just said fuck it and created his own language and it became one of the best languages of all time. legend.
@popasmuerf It requires a bit of knowledge to create the most used OS in the world. Linus also uses C because it's simple, C++ can be a real mess to deal with, and for an added bonus C compiles faster.
"By the way, philosophy is important. You can't do good language design without philosophy, because what you are determining is what people can express and how."
@@McRingil I assume by "Tyson" you're talking about Neil DeGrasse? If so, I'd say there is another significant layer of separation between Nye and Tyson... While they are both public figures, spokespeople, etc...Bill Nye doesn't even have a masters...he has a BS in engineering, while Tyson has an MA and a PHd... I think that's worth mentioning.
Since programming has become such a fundamental part of the 21st century perhaps the Swedish Nobel committee should consider a Nobel prize in this category 😊
Especially since all of STEM relies on programming these days. In the past, mathematics was what tied it all together, but in the modern world none of it would be possible without programming
@@itdepends604 Some say that there's no math category in Nobel prizes because a mathematician married the girl that Alfred Nobel fancied after. I guess Alfred was a bit bitter about that and excluded mathematics from the prize.
@@90hijacked he's probably gonna promote senders for presidency rather than talk about gcc. Stallman is not that technical person even though his background is.
Thanks to Bjarne for starting and continuing to work on C++. I have been programming in C++ for 10 hours a day every day for the last 10+ years and I am still in love with it.
@@gcma1999 I make games. During the day I work on the server code and at night I work on my own single player game. Of course, debugging takes a lot of time.
I met Bjarne few days after watching this video, it was one the best experiences of my life. He is very humble, i asked him a roadmap to be better c++ programmer, he gave some excellent advice.
i have glazed chicken wing bits on my elbow, also drunk.. but gonna pass out to this thinking about that time i wrote the best aterm window and setup the best scripts... then i formatted and installed windows to play age of empires 2.... =\
Such a humble guy. You can tell he is really interested in the languages and meta-level stuff. It reminds me how business-oriented programming today has become. It's so nice to see a guy like this, with so much love and thought for the craft itself.
Lex, thank you greatly for interviewing Bjarne Stroustrup! He has been a personal hero of mine for the last twenty years or more. He is not only a supreme engineer but also an adroit consensus builder. That is a rare combination and his consensus building seems to have played a critical role in forging the success of C++. I highly recommend his "The Design and Evolution of C++" to anyone interested in computing history, language design, or even politics. To me, Stroustrup's approach seems to be 1) understand the "customer's" problem and needs 2) assess the shortcomings of existing tools and prior art 3) design simple, pragmatic, correct solutions to fill the gaps and 3) deliver and communicate those solutions with humility. That is an admirable process I aspire to emulate.
You should organize a playlist with all the programming language creators. It was brilliant to interview many of them, it’s going to be a reference for many years from now. You’re the bomb
In the early 90s I met Bjarne at a Usenix conference. Presented a problem per C++ and a proposal to address it, that he took an interest in and we corresponded via email for a while about it. Alas, at the time RTTI ended up being the lion share of C++ mindset for new improvements. And the problem I was looking at ended up being addressed by Microsoft with their COM implementation - which made it sort of feasible to have more or less practical runtime loadable modules extendability. But what was cool was that Bjarne is a great guy that is not aloof, but approachable. Lot of flame wars over the decades saying this or that, but in my book, Bjarne is a class act. And he's a giant in the world of computer science and programming languages.
1:43:47 Tensorflow is a good example of that. You can give all those libraries with Python to AI/Data scientists/Neurophysicist but under it you have a computer scientist/hard-core engineer who made it with *C++*
nicely put, al the "esy" to use ready made libr and compnents as written in C++, , people have to learn C and C++ and leave the other languages, i hate best effort languages like java and python it;s intermdiate language and needs a VM , comming with with overhead penalty.
This guy talked about the “turning left of different vehicles” being the spark of inheritance and polymorphism, and now I understand it 😂 it’s safe to say, there’s only one person who can truly teach c++, and that’s the inventor of it lmao. It’s makes sense to define a virtual turn left method and then whatever vehicle off the base class can use it for its form of vehicle at run time. Truly amazing story and explanation. C++ is great.
In class they always teach it like an animal inheriting its features etc. Which didn't make any sense to me at all. Seeing it in the form of a problem is a better way to understand it since you can tell where did this solution originated from.
Because we can surely do better than C++ and the obsession of creating class hierarchies for everything. Because the assumption that the world is made of objects is fundamentally mistaken, the world is only made of processes, and objects are only illusions created by temporarily repetitive enough processes.
There is something so satisfying hearing Bjourne talk about the fundamentals and low level code, as well as OOP. Definitely makes me want to get back into learning about low level code, as well as the concepts of OOP.
It’s amazing to here Dr. Stroustrup comment on his thought process of the C++ language. His ease of explaining a complicated subject in such elegance is truly artistic! Lex, amazing execution on you part, thank you for capturing this and sharing it with all of us.
The Pong game he was talking about by Jason Turner was actually written for the C64 not Motorola. Here's the video for that: ua-cam.com/video/zBkNBP00wJE/v-deo.html
Lex, thank you very much for bringing the legendary Bjarne to your channel. 🙏. The question about comparison between machine learning and C++ is unclear. One can implement machine learning in a variety of languages including C++. Machine learning is a way of building the model that describes a system using extensive data collected from the system while operating. The form the model takes may be different from the usual analytical closed form that one may be used to, but once the model is learned, programming the system is no different from what we have always done. A closed form analytical model is prone to error as much as a model derived from learning from data. The main difference is that we feel comfortable with closed form analytical model because we can name the variables and their interactions in the model. But a model is nothing but an approximation of “truth” about the system under consideration.
What a privilege to be able to see such a legend and listen to his thoughts.. I was just a kid learning programming 20+ years ago - and back then this name was like a name of a god to me and others around me. Mindblowing.
For each programmer 👨🏼💻 who has made some *C++* code available to us *TypeScript developers* hidden behind the JavaScript code in an NodeJS Package Module _( NPM acronym is - _*_Not Perfectly Managed_*_ )_ I will have to say thanks for your work… I am so passionated about high level languages I didn’t choose to go deeper into the C++ journey… Knowing a small subset of C not to die in my journey and like driving an automatic car first and never feeling bad about not driving manual 😅😅😅😅 I am shameless but grateful… Gratitude is encoded in the fabric of Lex Friedman podcasts and I am also grateful for being able to witness this interview…
C++ has always been complicated. And the development goes on and on. Stroustrup does not exactly stand out as a brakeman. The question is how "modern" your code should be. If you run a static code analysis according to the C++ Core Guidelines against a 30 year old code base: 10000 to 20000 warnings are nothing special there. The idea of what good C++ is has changed over time. Because C++ is always evolving, you have to consider how "modern" you can afford to be. And whether it really makes a difference. I don't rewrite proven legacy code just for fun. You don't have that much time. But sure: A tool that checks your code against the C++ Core Guidelines is of course a blessing! I can't imagine doing without such tools anymore.
Interview with god. That is why C++ has become a cult. Stroustrup is to C++ as L. Ron Hubbard is to Scientology and they are both to good thinking as Hubbard is to Bertrand Russell.
I would love to hear a conversation with: Gerald Jay Sussman, Guy L. Steele Jr., Robert Virding and the Knuthinator: Don Knuth! I wrote c++ for 13 years so this was an interesting talk.
Too bad we didn't had the podcast in time for John McCarthy or Dennis Ritchie =/. On the other hand, Lex's work it's being far better than we could expect, every week.
This is GREAT stuff. I have tried to watched Bjarne a few times and it was all beyond me but you brought his ideas out of him in a way that was possible for me to understand. THANKS.
We really appreciate this kind of things, the interview. Thanks Lex for making it possible. So hyped up!! Its a pleassure to hear how Bjarne comunicate computer concepts...
This was my favorite episode you did so far, it may not be the most popular by views, but I enjoyed it. Bjarne Stroustrup is such a national treasure, a man we can learn allot from. I enjoy his talks on C++ whenever cpp con happens.
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Thank you for these amazing interviews. I began programming in 1983 and was an extremely ordinary programmer until 2001. After that I went back to school. History is most interesting to me. I became very good at C but always struggled with learning C++.
I'm only a few minutes in but I just realized I'm watching a podcast where the inventor of c++ is talking about programming in the early SIXTIES. My mind is blow.
I'm so happy to have the opportunity of hearing a conversation from someone that started it all. It's not often you get to hear a long form interview from historical figures like him.
The story of the creation of c++ is amazing. Such a humble person created one of the most important programming languages that are used in so many places. For more than 30 years c++ did not have real challengers for certain tasks and even though Stroustrup himself notices that languages like lisp, python, javascript, etc... are great for certain things but sometimes you need that zero-overhead abstraction to write reliable and efficient software. The only real challenger we currently have is rust which proposes really interesting ideas, I guess only time will show how useful of tool rust will become but it seems great that innovation on that front did not stop.
05:44 classes used for define type, simula, Nicklaus Wirth 06:19 brief history of programming languages, Fortran (formula translation), portability 08:09 Cobol, business people 08:24 algol, type, scope, not a set of translation phases, syntax, lexical, technical breakthrough 09:27 then simula came along to make that idea more flexible 10:58 for me the key idea, basically I could get my own types, that's the fundamental idea, under the constraints, hardware, environment 13:47 lisp, performance, reliability, deployability, cost of hardware, I don't like things to be too dynamic 15:47 smalltalk, ML, Haskell 16:45 it's good for any professional programmer to know at least five languages 18:09 the important thing that the number is not one 18:53 it's actually good to know machine code, machine architecture, assembler, c++ 20:21 Jason turner, ua-cam.com/video/zBkNBP00wJE/v-deo.html 22:40 machine code and C++ 22:45 functional languages, you can learn a lot, I don't care which, pick Haskell or ML, type notion that's really strict 23:08 you could pick JavaScript, python, ruby, when you build a tool you do not know how it's going to be used 24:13 bitcoin mining 25:07 original story of C++, efficiency, reliability 28:45 security, type, SQL injection 33:12 correct code looks like, c++ core guidelines 36:39 static checkers, sloppiness, great fan of static analysis 38:33 leaks, static analysis, error handler 42:00 tension between efficiency and abstraction, object-oriented programming language, I've never said that 47:15 algorithm, lock free, compiler techniques 50:15 GCC, compilers, single implementations, monoculture, clang 54:07 llvm 54:50 c++ is for people who wants to use the hardware really well and then manage the complexity of doing that through abstraction 55:21 thats looks very much like C, it has loops, variables, pointers, 55:57 after Dennis Ritchie, I'm probably the major contributor to modern C, Brian Kernighan 56:15 this C vs C++ fight are for people who don't quite understand what's going on 56:32 abstraction 59:26 vectors, Fortran ~ 01:01:10 implementation, simula, object-oriented, virtual function 01:09:46 generic component like a sort function
Ian a life long C++ programmer- of course graduated from Fortran & Boland Turbo C++ ! But I have not heard about C++ Builder!!! However it is great to from Einstein of C++. Thanks for the opportunity! Keep doing From Dr. S. Gopal, India
I was surprised that the functional languages got many mentions and that telecom as a use case was brought up quite a bit, but there was no mention of Erlang. Either way, this is amazing to listen to.
0:00 - Introduction 1:40 - First program 2:18 - Journey to C++ 16:45 - Learning multiple languages 23:20 - Javascript 25:08 - Efficiency and reliability in C++ 31:53 - What does good code look like? 36:45 - Static checkers 41:16 - Zero-overhead principle in C++ 50:00 - Different implementation of C++ 54:46 - Key features of C++ 1:08:02 - C++ Concepts 1:18:06 - C++ Standards Process 1:28:05 - Constructors and destructors 1:31:52 - Unified theory of programming 1:38:10 - Machine learning 1:44:20 - Proudest moment
he seems quite pleased by the intelligent questions, it's charming. i've been waiting for the right moment to crack the C++ book on my shelf.. i sense it's time has come
Bjourne : 24:00 ""Bitcoin uses as much energy as Switzerland. Mostly used by criminals"!! Lex : "Yes". Pretending as though he doesn't deal lin Bitcon!! Lol
@@alaaawad7180 It's the best thing that happened to free humans ever, but you're too stupid to understand the opportunity and rich people don't care. The biggest criminals are the ones who profit from central banking.
Programming: Phase 1: Being able to get away from machine code to more abstracted code based on pure mathematics. Phase 2: Adding types and scope. Phase 3: Inheritance and runtime polymorphism....
Lex you are yourself a legend. Please publish an interview of yourself as well someday. Like me, lot many people will be interested to know as to how you are able to pose such intelligent questions to all these legends 😊
One of, if not THE, most significant conversations on software engineering principles and philosophy I've had the pleasure of listening to. Very well done, as relevant today as it was when originally recorded.
Alpha Delta incorrect remove the two pluses and then it's true. C++ help us to make that all to a huge mess and didn't even get it's own basics right e.g OOP.
The-BGR Spot man what do you think methods are magic sauce take a look at the assembly. Classes are just a bunch of fancy syntactic sugar. And actually the impl that C++ has is quite horrible and very restrictive. Not that there are any other languages that did better in implementing the true OOP paradigm which meant immutability was key. It is C + Classes and now with Polymorphism because C++ just picks up everything it can find because it doesn't have a goal to be something. And still the assertion that without C++ nothing would run is wrong nothing would work today if C doesn't exists the hack we wouldn't even have C++ because guess what it was based on a c compiler. Your OS you are currently writing this angry message back is also very likely either unix or nt based and so all kernel code is C code not C++ because it is just impossible to get the abi stable with it and that for years (even apple did see that) If you want to see how horrible C++ is try to build a compiler with a bit of customization with LLVM. Or just look how long clang takes to build.
C++ is the first language i have learnt, i have a love-hate relationship with it. Nonetheless C++ is arguably the most important language that every programmer should learn. Using recent high-level language like Python is good for prototyping but in term of performance, C++ is the king , period
I was shocked, on moving into a work environment in which many of my colleagues were grads or post-grads from a university environment, by the discovery that C was revered but C++ was regarded as evil. I had been using C++ for some years, having taught myself how to use it, a step at a time, and found it gave me a better understanding of how C should be written. I also noticed how some of the C source I would go through had taken on a structure that was clearly BEGGING to be converted to C++ (which would have shrunk it to half the length, having experimentally recoded tracts of it just to find out) and that such conversion makes the code express its intent much more clearly, freed of awkward housekeeping distractions. But what I was up against was that effectively I had joined a clerical order with a different religion, without realising. And the arguments, which led to me being taken aside by a founder of the company and told that I was cavalierly disrespecting everything they had spent years carefully building, were of a religious nature. I think this arises (a) because C++ became associated with Microsoft and (b) because early C++ compilers were crap at handling exceptions the way the language was supposed to and (c) in the academic world C is king of the heap. The same happens with text editors, where EMACS has a god-like status, with its shortcomings invisible to those who literally spend their work days living inside it. So I very much appreciate what Bjarne has brought to the world. And the work done by Walter Bright in the 90s on Zorland/Zortech/Symantec C++ as the first good fast C++ compilers for the PC, before Symantec switched its efforts towards Java, which I have never got on with.
20 years back, I had communicated with Bjarne Stroustrup with a question on virtual functions, virtual table, pointers. Within a few weeks he responded with a detailed email. I wish I had saved that email. His response helped and vouched to prove my solution was right back then while the client argued it was not. Looking up functions in a virtual table vs direct call. There is always a cost for flexibility. It all depends on the use case (or user story) and the scenario. Anyways, It was a great feeling to be able to directly communicate with the C++ Guru and get a response back with detailed explanation who agreed with my perspective. Nowadays, there are not many who knows what is Dynamic Binding and Polymorphism (or even heard about it) while it plays a vital thing in AI.
Isn't polymorphism one of the core concepts of OOP? I don't think I've ever met OO programmer who did not hear about it. That statement makes no sense.
It's pretty amazing to think that the software industry is so young that the OG's are still alive today and can be interviewed like this. We've come a very long way in a very short time.
Technically programming goes back further but yeah it's a new industry.
what is OGs?
@@thesuperyou2829 It's a slang term that stands for "Original Gangster"
I never thought of it that way, but it's very true and very profound.
I felt the same way when I came across this thumbnail
The fact that I can watch conversations like these for free, with no spammed ads along the way is absolutely amazing.
Keep up the brilliant work Lex!
Do you think will any of them consider Maria von france
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This reminds me of Neo talking to The Architect in The Matrix.
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Yes, but which iteration?
Indeed it was lol
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I really enjoyed this conversation with Bjarne. Here's the outline:
0:00 - Introduction
1:40 - First program
2:18 - Journey to C++
16:45 - Learning multiple languages
23:20 - Javascript
25:08 - Efficiency and reliability in C++
31:53 - What does good code look like?
36:45 - Static checkers
41:16 - Zero-overhead principle in C++
50:00 - Different implementation of C++
54:46 - Key features of C++
1:08:02 - C++ Concepts
1:18:06 - C++ Standards Process
1:28:05 - Constructors and destructors
1:31:52 - Unified theory of programming
1:38:10 - Machine learning
1:44:20 - Proudest moment
Dear Lex Thanks for your effort and providing this opportunity...
Great interview and great questions. Thank you Lex and Bjarne.
No AI?
Thanks for the timeline. It really helps me filter information! Great interview!
Thank you for the timestamps! This helps a lot and saves us so much time.
this man wasn't getting what he wanted out of the languages he had at his disposal, so he just said fuck it and created his own language and it became one of the best languages of all time. legend.
Cppfront is a legacy.
except he is too nice of a guy to say the word fuck
@@viisaus7187eah, but that showed he wouldn’t hesitate to take action when he faced an issue.
I got to learn C++ at college. This guy is indeed epic haha
That was good, however, maybe that should have gone to a portable library or synthetic, so you can give those power to another language.
"These C vs. C++ fights are for people who don't quite understand what's going on."
Linus Torvalds: *Angry typing of e-mail intensifies*
@popasmuerf It requires a bit of knowledge to create the most used OS in the world. Linus also uses C because it's simple, C++ can be a real mess to deal with, and for an added bonus C compiles faster.
@erik masterchef I admit I was wrong, but creating a kernel is still a big job.
So true!
@Mermaids love dickYou are saying “forked” as if Unix’s source code was open source at that time.
@Christian Weissmuller Do you disagree that a wider array of ideas can be expressed directly in C++ than in C while maintaining the same performance?
"By the way, philosophy is important. You can't do good language design without philosophy, because what you are determining is what people can express and how."
The difference between Bill Nye or Tyson and the real scientist is that he understands the foundations of a field and assumptions made in the process.
@@McRingil I assume by "Tyson" you're talking about Neil DeGrasse? If so, I'd say there is another significant layer of separation between Nye and Tyson...
While they are both public figures, spokespeople, etc...Bill Nye doesn't even have a masters...he has a BS in engineering, while Tyson has an MA and a PHd...
I think that's worth mentioning.
@@caseypdx503 Tyson is on theleft side of the comparison here but I don't really remember him specifically going against philosphy.
So why is c++ such a steaming pile of fecal matter?
@@arthurswanson3285 because you're dumb and can't handle it
Since programming has become such a fundamental part of the 21st century perhaps the Swedish Nobel committee should consider a Nobel prize in this category 😊
Especially since all of STEM relies on programming these days. In the past, mathematics was what tied it all together, but in the modern world none of it would be possible without programming
There's not even a noble prize for math though
Turing Award?
@@itdepends604 Some say that there's no math category in Nobel prizes because a mathematician married the girl that Alfred Nobel fancied after. I guess Alfred was a bit bitter about that and excluded mathematics from the prize.
Hilarious really as Nobel undoubtedly had to use math for his dynamite
How about Linus Torvalds
next?
We would definitely need a C advocate also on this show.
I mean when starsoupe makes it then why not Ken Thomson.
@mint CHILL There would be no linux without the GCC, What about stallman next?
Oh right, we probably won't be hearing much from him either.
@@90hijacked he's probably gonna promote senders for presidency rather than talk about gcc. Stallman is not that technical person even though his background is.
Let's start a petition for it
@@platin2148 starsoupe? haha
The fact lex was able to have him on is incredible. What this man has done for computer science!!
C++ is wonderful. Thank you Bjarne and team working on C++.
Thanks to Bjarne for starting and continuing to work on C++. I have been programming in C++ for 10 hours a day every day for the last 10+ years and I am still in love with it.
What do you work with? Do you write complex code daily or you do more debugging than coding?
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I make games. During the day I work on the server code and at night I work on my own single player game. Of course, debugging takes a lot of time.
I met Bjarne few days after watching this video, it was one the best experiences of my life. He is very humble, i asked him a roadmap to be better c++ programmer, he gave some excellent advice.
Recite his wisdom
Can you share his advice please?
This podcast is a gift to the humanity
i have glazed chicken wing bits on my elbow, also drunk.. but gonna pass out to this thinking about that time i wrote the best aterm window and setup the best scripts...
then i formatted and installed windows to play age of empires 2.... =\
linux just had to make games work... nobody nerds out 24/7...
true!
Such a humble guy. You can tell he is really interested in the languages and meta-level stuff. It reminds me how business-oriented programming today has become. It's so nice to see a guy like this, with so much love and thought for the craft itself.
well said
Lex, thank you greatly for interviewing Bjarne Stroustrup! He has been a personal hero of mine for the last twenty years or more. He is not only a supreme engineer but also an adroit consensus builder. That is a rare combination and his consensus building seems to have played a critical role in forging the success of C++. I highly recommend his "The Design and Evolution of C++" to anyone interested in computing history, language design, or even politics. To me, Stroustrup's approach seems to be 1) understand the "customer's" problem and needs 2) assess the shortcomings of existing tools and prior art 3) design simple, pragmatic, correct solutions to fill the gaps and 3) deliver and communicate those solutions with humility. That is an admirable process I aspire to emulate.
"error: same variable (3) already in use" ;)
You should organize a playlist with all the programming language creators. It was brilliant to interview many of them, it’s going to be a reference for many years from now. You’re the bomb
In the early 90s I met Bjarne at a Usenix conference. Presented a problem per C++ and a proposal to address it, that he took an interest in and we corresponded via email for a while about it. Alas, at the time RTTI ended up being the lion share of C++ mindset for new improvements. And the problem I was looking at ended up being addressed by Microsoft with their COM implementation - which made it sort of feasible to have more or less practical runtime loadable modules extendability. But what was cool was that Bjarne is a great guy that is not aloof, but approachable. Lot of flame wars over the decades saying this or that, but in my book, Bjarne is a class act. And he's a giant in the world of computer science and programming languages.
In a hundred years or so, people will watch this interview and be in awe seeing these people that paved the way for the grandeur of humanity.
Yeah this guy is a Legend. I love C++
The world owes Bjarne in so many ways... thank you Lex!
1:43:47
Tensorflow is a good example of that.
You can give all those libraries with Python to AI/Data scientists/Neurophysicist but under it you have a computer scientist/hard-core engineer who made it with *C++*
What did he say, I can't quite make it out
@@uncommonsensor "all of this ai stuff is on top of c++"
@@thebigboi5357 thanks
nicely put, al the "esy" to use ready made libr and compnents as written in C++, , people have to learn C and C++ and leave the other languages, i hate best effort languages like java and python it;s intermdiate language and needs a VM , comming with with overhead penalty.
Don't tell him about torch
This guy talked about the “turning left of different vehicles” being the spark of inheritance and polymorphism, and now I understand it 😂 it’s safe to say, there’s only one person who can truly teach c++, and that’s the inventor of it lmao. It’s makes sense to define a virtual turn left method and then whatever vehicle off the base class can use it for its form of vehicle at run time. Truly amazing story and explanation. C++ is great.
Was c++ the first object oriented language ?
@@roronoa_d_law1075 No, that was Simula. He references it a couple times in the discussion. His leap was to make "C with Classes"
In class they always teach it like an animal inheriting its features etc. Which didn't make any sense to me at all. Seeing it in the form of a problem is a better way to understand it since you can tell where did this solution originated from.
I barely ever got a C+ in school , yet as a seventy year old, I have the regular opportunity to listen in to Lex..and now to hear about C++😉
Badass 70yr old!
“Because we can surely do better than we do today” Phrase of a legend.
strong statement on the base of being already brilliant.
no. this is normal. imagine if he said that we can't do better than we do today
Because we can surely do better than C++ and the obsession of creating class hierarchies for everything. Because the assumption that the world is made of objects is fundamentally mistaken, the world is only made of processes, and objects are only illusions created by temporarily repetitive enough processes.
There is something so satisfying hearing Bjourne talk about the fundamentals and low level code, as well as OOP. Definitely makes me want to get back into learning about low level code, as well as the concepts of OOP.
It’s amazing to here Dr. Stroustrup comment on his thought process of the C++ language. His ease of explaining a complicated subject in such elegance is truly artistic! Lex, amazing execution on you part, thank you for capturing this and sharing it with all of us.
C++ opens to me a new world, I', started with version 2 and later the 3. The C++ compiler war was great. Thanks for your contribution.
this is one of the best interviews i've ever seen, superb. Bjarne is a treasure
The Pong game he was talking about by Jason Turner was actually written for the C64 not Motorola.
Here's the video for that: ua-cam.com/video/zBkNBP00wJE/v-deo.html
Bookmarked
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Was looking for this link. Thank you!
Lex, thank you very much for bringing the legendary Bjarne to your channel. 🙏.
The question about comparison between machine learning and C++ is unclear. One can implement machine learning in a variety of languages including C++. Machine learning is a way of building the model that describes a system using extensive data collected from the system while operating. The form the model takes may be different from the usual analytical closed form that one may be used to, but once the model is learned, programming the system is no different from what we have always done. A closed form analytical model is prone to error as much as a model derived from learning from data. The main difference is that we feel comfortable with closed form analytical model because we can name the variables and their interactions in the model. But a model is nothing but an approximation of “truth” about the system under consideration.
The best thing about Bjarne Stroustrup, is that if you'd imagine a guy, who would have invented C++, he looks like it.
Is that called a self-fulfilling recursion of perception?
because the stereotype is based on him
What a privilege to be able to see such a legend and listen to his thoughts.. I was just a kid learning programming 20+ years ago - and back then this name was like a name of a god to me and others around me. Mindblowing.
For each programmer 👨🏼💻 who has made some *C++* code available to us *TypeScript developers* hidden behind the JavaScript code in an NodeJS Package Module _( NPM acronym is - _*_Not Perfectly Managed_*_ )_ I will have to say thanks for your work… I am so passionated about high level languages I didn’t choose to go deeper into the C++ journey… Knowing a small subset of C not to die in my journey and like driving an automatic car first and never feeling bad about not driving manual 😅😅😅😅 I am shameless but grateful… Gratitude is encoded in the fabric of Lex Friedman podcasts and I am also grateful for being able to witness this interview…
for people who work with C++ every day, this interview must be like a interview with god.
Last 12 yrs basically, 🙏
C++ has always been complicated. And the development goes on and on. Stroustrup does not exactly stand out as a brakeman. The question is how "modern" your code should be. If you run a static code analysis according to the C++ Core Guidelines against a 30 year old code base: 10000 to 20000 warnings are nothing special there. The idea of what good C++ is has changed over time. Because C++ is always evolving, you have to consider how "modern" you can afford to be. And whether it really makes a difference. I don't rewrite proven legacy code just for fun. You don't have that much time. But sure: A tool that checks your code against the C++ Core Guidelines is of course a blessing! I can't imagine doing without such tools anymore.
Interview with god. That is why C++ has become a cult. Stroustrup is to C++ as L. Ron Hubbard is to Scientology and they are both to good thinking as Hubbard is to Bertrand Russell.
more like an interview with Satan
@@renegadeace1735 why
I think he enjoyed this. You let him takes his time and didn’t rush him. One of his most fascinating interview. Thank you!
Amazing! Lex has some serious podcast cred with all these big names hes able to get on. Keep it up!
ikr xD
Yeah, curious--not really oddly connected if you consider who he is--but the industry/public needs a common community conduit for communication.
I would love to hear a conversation with: Gerald Jay Sussman, Guy L. Steele Jr., Robert Virding and the Knuthinator: Don Knuth! I wrote c++ for 13 years so this was an interesting talk.
Too bad we didn't had the podcast in time for John McCarthy or Dennis Ritchie =/. On the other hand, Lex's work it's being far better than we could expect, every week.
We gotta get Gerald Sussman, Rob Pike, and Ken up here as well.
@@hexa3389 that would be awesome.
Awesome podcast. I am studying C++ as my main language in my BA in CS. Loved to hear the history and meet the man behind the curtain. Good stuff Lex.
i watched the whole conversation. thank you!
I learned a lot just from from this video.
This is GREAT stuff. I have tried to watched Bjarne a few times and it was all beyond me but you brought his ideas out of him in a way that was possible for me to understand. THANKS.
Thanks for bringing in one of the gods of modern programming languages. It was so great to watch even after a very long day!
We really appreciate this kind of things, the interview. Thanks Lex for making it possible. So hyped up!! Its a pleassure to hear how Bjarne comunicate computer concepts...
This was my favorite episode you did so far, it may not be the most popular by views, but I enjoyed it. Bjarne Stroustrup is such a national treasure, a man we can learn allot from. I enjoy his talks on C++ whenever cpp con happens.
I daresay he's an international treasure.
I have attempted to meditate many times in my life and prior to this CD the only success I've experienced is with live guided meditation. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxzpa8CIfZcihW4Z0F_ja0QF3W9KIatrsq This is the first CD I've used that cuts through my unmedicated ADHD and enables me to truly relax and experience a quiet and energizing interval. The instructors voice is very soothing and pleasant to listen to. I am easily able to sit successfully through the entire CD, and for quite some time after. I cannot adequately express how tremendously helpful this CD has been on my spiritual journey!! Two thumbs up and 10 stars!
what???? hahaha
Longest video I have ever watched on youtube that I didn't skip around . Thanks Lex. Thanks Bjarne for doing the interview.
Thank you for these amazing interviews. I began programming in 1983 and was an extremely ordinary programmer until 2001. After that I went back to school. History is most interesting to me. I became very good at C but always struggled with learning C++.
so happy theres a podcast featuring guys like Bjarne. keep it up, Lex
I'm only a few minutes in but I just realized I'm watching a podcast where the inventor of c++ is talking about programming in the early SIXTIES. My mind is blow.
I'm so happy to have the opportunity of hearing a conversation from someone that started it all. It's not often you get to hear a long form interview from historical figures like him.
Thank you Lex for this and many other Interviews, you created library of such a enormous value that will be valued many decades from now.
Wow! I've always been a fuge fan of Bjarne as I use C++ on an almost daily basis as an engineering student, and I love it. This is gonna be good!
One of the living legend of Computer Science
Thanks
Almost two hours of extremely enriching brain massage - Thank you very much!
Inspiring and honest... not cocky at all and humbling ...
Thanks !
The story of the creation of c++ is amazing. Such a humble person created one of the most important programming languages that are used in so many places. For more than 30 years c++ did not have real challengers for certain tasks and even though Stroustrup himself notices that languages like lisp, python, javascript, etc... are great for certain things but sometimes you need that zero-overhead abstraction to write reliable and efficient software. The only real challenger we currently have is rust which proposes really interesting ideas, I guess only time will show how useful of tool rust will become but it seems great that innovation on that front did not stop.
Those most grateful are those who used to write device drivers in "C" Tell Bjarne THANK YOU!
rftulak agreed.
@@nullbyte2215 Every time you do char* lol
Omg this video must be the most valuable thing you can find in this messy world. Thank You Lex for having the king talking in front of you.
I am happy that this channel and these interviews are present. Thank you 🙂
05:44 classes used for define type, simula, Nicklaus Wirth 06:19 brief history of programming languages, Fortran (formula translation), portability 08:09 Cobol, business people 08:24 algol, type, scope, not a set of translation phases, syntax, lexical, technical breakthrough 09:27 then simula came along to make that idea more flexible 10:58 for me the key idea, basically I could get my own types, that's the fundamental idea, under the constraints, hardware, environment 13:47 lisp, performance, reliability, deployability, cost of hardware, I don't like things to be too dynamic 15:47 smalltalk, ML, Haskell 16:45 it's good for any professional programmer to know at least five languages 18:09 the important thing that the number is not one 18:53 it's actually good to know machine code, machine architecture, assembler, c++ 20:21 Jason turner, ua-cam.com/video/zBkNBP00wJE/v-deo.html 22:40 machine code and C++ 22:45 functional languages, you can learn a lot, I don't care which, pick Haskell or ML, type notion that's really strict 23:08 you could pick JavaScript, python, ruby, when you build a tool you do not know how it's going to be used 24:13 bitcoin mining 25:07 original story of C++, efficiency, reliability 28:45 security, type, SQL injection 33:12 correct code looks like, c++ core guidelines 36:39 static checkers, sloppiness, great fan of static analysis 38:33 leaks, static analysis, error handler 42:00 tension between efficiency and abstraction, object-oriented programming language, I've never said that 47:15 algorithm, lock free, compiler techniques 50:15 GCC, compilers, single implementations, monoculture, clang 54:07 llvm 54:50 c++ is for people who wants to use the hardware really well and then manage the complexity of doing that through abstraction 55:21 thats looks very much like C, it has loops, variables, pointers, 55:57 after Dennis Ritchie, I'm probably the major contributor to modern C, Brian Kernighan 56:15 this C vs C++ fight are for people who don't quite understand what's going on 56:32 abstraction 59:26 vectors, Fortran ~ 01:01:10 implementation, simula, object-oriented, virtual function 01:09:46 generic component like a sort function
Thank you very much, Lex! Beautiful guests, beautiful podcast!
Ian a life long C++ programmer- of course graduated from Fortran & Boland Turbo C++ ! But I have not heard about C++ Builder!!! However it is great to from Einstein of C++. Thanks for the opportunity! Keep doing
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I was surprised that the functional languages got many mentions and that telecom as a use case was brought up quite a bit, but there was no mention of Erlang.
Either way, this is amazing to listen to.
0:00 - Introduction
1:40 - First program
2:18 - Journey to C++
16:45 - Learning multiple languages
23:20 - Javascript
25:08 - Efficiency and reliability in C++
31:53 - What does good code look like?
36:45 - Static checkers
41:16 - Zero-overhead principle in C++
50:00 - Different implementation of C++
54:46 - Key features of C++
1:08:02 - C++ Concepts
1:18:06 - C++ Standards Process
1:28:05 - Constructors and destructors
1:31:52 - Unified theory of programming
1:38:10 - Machine learning 1:44:20 - Proudest moment
he seems quite pleased by the intelligent questions, it's charming. i've been waiting for the right moment to crack the C++ book on my shelf.. i sense it's time has come
1:40 The smile right after the question explains how excited Lex was for this interview.
amazing, Bjarne is incredible. so glad you interviewed him, Lex!
Bjourne : 24:00 ""Bitcoin uses as much energy as Switzerland. Mostly used by criminals"!!
Lex : "Yes". Pretending as though he doesn't deal lin Bitcon!! Lol
Cash is used by all sorts of criminals
That was really an awkward moment.
I am really shocked that so many geniuses do not understand the role of cryptocurrency in economic
@@lotgon911 they do and that the problem, its the best thing ever happen to the dark market.
@@alaaawad7180 It's the best thing that happened to free humans ever, but you're too stupid to understand the opportunity and rich people don't care.
The biggest criminals are the ones who profit from central banking.
Those diagrams and crops from wiki/webpages are great too. Thanks for the extra work!
"There's more to it all than just code, but code is central". You can be proud of your life's work, Bjarne. A big salute to the legend!
Damn u Lex, I was going too sleep after a long day at work.
Programming:
Phase 1: Being able to get away from machine code to more abstracted code based on pure mathematics.
Phase 2: Adding types and scope.
Phase 3: Inheritance and runtime polymorphism....
Great interview!
This guy is really good at speaking and expressing himself.
He's a Professor at TexasA&M and lectures extensively as well. Check out his keynote speeches at each year's CPPConvention.
The man who made my CS experience a living hell, but proved useful on the long run.
So interesting and enjoyable, I'm a bit saddened I have finished this podcast. Thank you both!
So much good has come from C++, nearly enough to make up for Twitter but not quite.
Mr. Stroustrup! Thank you for you contribution to computer science!
Lex you are yourself a legend. Please publish an interview of yourself as well someday. Like me, lot many people will be interested to know as to how you are able to pose such intelligent questions to all these legends 😊
One of, if not THE, most significant conversations on software engineering principles and philosophy I've had the pleasure of listening to. Very well done, as relevant today as it was when originally recorded.
Never written a line of code in my life. Still listened and loved the entire podcast. Thanks to Bjarne and Lex
I like what he says about simplicity, that applies to everything in engineering.
@pedro gomes I like C++ but ngl this is true lmao
'There are things you can regulate but not inspiration'. Bjarne... Simply marvelous insight
Thank you Lex for this fascinating conversation with such a brillant mind
Brilliant interview and brilliant channel, thanks.
I don't know if it's actually doable but please consider an interview with Ken Thompson!
These are getting good and good and good
Loving the passion Bjarne is exuding during this interview!
I love these interviews. You get to understand the human behind the design
C++ is what has made our modern world possible
Alpha Delta incorrect remove the two pluses and then it's true.
C++ help us to make that all to a huge mess and didn't even get it's own basics right e.g OOP.
@@platin2148 C++ is not C with classes my dude
The-BGR Spot man what do you think methods are magic sauce take a look at the assembly.
Classes are just a bunch of fancy syntactic sugar. And actually the impl that C++ has is quite horrible and very restrictive.
Not that there are any other languages that did better in implementing the true OOP paradigm which meant immutability was key.
It is C + Classes and now with Polymorphism because C++ just picks up everything it can find because it doesn't have a goal to be something.
And still the assertion that without C++ nothing would run is wrong nothing would work today if C doesn't exists the hack we wouldn't even have C++
because guess what it was based on a c compiler. Your OS you are currently writing this angry message back is also very likely either unix or nt based and so all kernel code is C code not C++ because it is just impossible to get the abi stable with it and that for years (even apple did see that)
If you want to see how horrible C++ is try to build a compiler with a bit of customization with LLVM.
Or just look how long clang takes to build.
@@platin2148 Yikes.
@@platin2148 This guy gets it. Memory bandwidth is the problem that more OOP can't solve.
Thanks Lex, amazing talk as always
I like that he's basically describing rust's ownership semantics when he talks about rules/guidelines coupled with static analysis.
No he wasn't
Great interview of an OG. I would have loved to have his perspective on Rust which implements all his principles.
C++ is the first language i have learnt, i have a love-hate relationship with it. Nonetheless C++ is arguably the most important language that every programmer should learn. Using recent high-level language like Python is good for prototyping but in term of performance, C++ is the king , period
Shiiieeeet. I've been slacking by knowing only java and python
Python is only useful by having libraries written in C++ and C behind it. Numpy for example, but also TensorFlow, PyTorch usw.
@@naibaf710 Yep, the Python interpreter is itself written in C (and not C++ for historical reasons)
Python is over 30 years old, your definition of "recent" seems to be a little broad
I was shocked, on moving into a work environment in which many of my colleagues were grads or post-grads from a university environment, by the discovery that C was revered but C++ was regarded as evil. I had been using C++ for some years, having taught myself how to use it, a step at a time, and found it gave me a better understanding of how C should be written.
I also noticed how some of the C source I would go through had taken on a structure that was clearly BEGGING to be converted to C++ (which would have shrunk it to half the length, having experimentally recoded tracts of it just to find out) and that such conversion makes the code express its intent much more clearly, freed of awkward housekeeping distractions.
But what I was up against was that effectively I had joined a clerical order with a different religion, without realising. And the arguments, which led to me being taken aside by a founder of the company and told that I was cavalierly disrespecting everything they had spent years carefully building, were of a religious nature.
I think this arises (a) because C++ became associated with Microsoft and (b) because early C++ compilers were crap at handling exceptions the way the language was supposed to and (c) in the academic world C is king of the heap. The same happens with text editors, where EMACS has a god-like status, with its shortcomings invisible to those who literally spend their work days living inside it.
So I very much appreciate what Bjarne has brought to the world. And the work done by Walter Bright in the 90s on Zorland/Zortech/Symantec C++ as the first good fast C++ compilers for the PC, before Symantec switched its efforts towards Java, which I have never got on with.
Legends have been built on the work of this legend.
So much wisdom there. Incredible conversation!
1:39:53 "Not everyone can become a great artist; but a great artist *can* come from *anywhere*." -- Anton Ego (Ratatouille)
Stroustrup seems like quite the character. Good sense of humor.
20 years back, I had communicated with Bjarne Stroustrup with a question on virtual functions, virtual table, pointers. Within a few weeks he responded with a detailed email. I wish I had saved that email. His response helped and vouched to prove my solution was right back then while the client argued it was not. Looking up functions in a virtual table vs direct call. There is always a cost for flexibility. It all depends on the use case (or user story) and the scenario. Anyways, It was a great feeling to be able to directly communicate with the C++ Guru and get a response back with detailed explanation who agreed with my perspective.
Nowadays, there are not many who knows what is Dynamic Binding and Polymorphism (or even heard about it) while it plays a vital thing in AI.
Isn't polymorphism one of the core concepts of OOP? I don't think I've ever met OO programmer who did not hear about it. That statement makes no sense.
Its so inspiring and humbling to see someone super excited and interested in something even after years of mastery.
Sound like you are just boring and ungratefulå
Probably lazy bad too