Ninja Gaiden NES vs PC Engine
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Time for another Utterly Pointless Comparison, this time it's a look at Ninja Gaiden for NES vs PC Engine! For best results view at 1080p60fps.See a complete play through of all levels in both versions side by side along with commentary and a comparison of some of the cutscenes at the end! Also note in Japan the game is known as Ninja Ryukenden.
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Great video. I'm new here, but I have been binge watching your uploads lately. As usual, your thoughts are presented very well, accompanied by comprehensive breakdowns.
In my opinion, the NES had the definitive "Ninja Gaiden experience" during that time period. The full trilogy was also "remastered" for the 16-bit SNES... but all three games were worse there.
There's also a European region released Genesis/Mega Drive version of the first Ninja Gaiden. Maybe we'll see you cover that too at some point?? 🤔
I love the PC engine colors in general.
That is not parallax, it's literally tiles shaking left and right constantly when you move. Seems unfinished
They animate correctly, ironically, if you run in the opposite direction. It's still terribly choppy, but it simulates a parallax layer as one would expect.
On the flip side, there are also plenty of games that use a stationary 2nd background layer even on systems that support full hardware layers like the Genesis and SNES.
The solution Hudson used for this game is one of the worst I've ever seen.
@@InglebardGaming I think they were aiming for a stationary layer but ended up with what we see here.
PCE makes 5-3 look like you're in a giant elevator for whatever reason. PCE wins in the cut scenes easily. Malth isn't wearing a roast turkey for a helmet at the very least.
For the cut scenes... they're kind of a split between the two versions. Some scenes look better on NES, some on PCE. I think Ryu and Irene generally look worse (especially Ryu without a mask) on PCE.
Still... If i wasn't recording them for this video I'd be skipping every one of those scenes in both versions.
... no turkey helmet, but added a pentagram. Just what exactly was "Bloody" Malth up to before that boss fight began? 🤔
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That's what it always seemed to me, like some gigantic elevator. No idea what the artists and programmers were thinking but that's how it seemed.
PCE attempted parallax scrolling is terrible! I'm quite surprised they left it in. I would rather play the NES version here
I'm definitely on team "they should have removed it!"
Ah, to be a fly on the wall between Hudson Soft and the team developing the game!
My understanding is that at least some of the game was outsourced to a team in China, which looking at the credits, there's definitely some non-japanese names in there. So very likely the programmers at least were first timers for coding on the PC Engine.
Recently, one programmer that's worked on the hardware over the years noted that they should have been easily able to update the dynamic tiles in the background at a constant rate rather than as slow and jerky as it's going. In fact, he noted that the giant "elevator level" with the vertical scrolling rocks uses the exact same technique and looks far smoother. Same goes for Ys 3, & at least one section in Ys 2. A static faux parallax background had already been done previously in games on PCE, so theoretically it's something that it should have been easy to do.
Perhaps if Hudson Soft outsourced it to Now Productions who handled Jackie Chan and New Adventure Island among others, it would have turned out far better. They had years of experience on the PCE doing games for both Namco and Hudson & pulling off various parallax techniques.
And the music, why? I eoughly enjoy both soundtracks more or less but why it changed, is beyond me. Was there some kind of special rights to whomever did the music in the NES version? Maybe that would have increased the licensing cost? Never thought about it before but I think going CD with this game would have been the correct route. Really go all out, but once again, get someone more experienced with the hardware!
I would have preferred they transfer over the arcade Ninja Gaiden as that style of game is desperately needed on the PCE and I enjoy it a lot more than the NES game. Pce really has nothing that compares to Final Fight or Streets of Rage. That's not to say there aren't fun brawlers on it, but nothing that matches up to those games.
My old team that I worked with had a couple in the works but real life got in the way and we broke up. Though it does sound like there's at least one homebrew brawler that is eventually going to be in the works, so I'm hoping it's going to be better than the average brawler on the pce.
Oh and if I'm remembering right, Ninja Gaiden is on the PC Engine mini for some reason. That's another head scratcher!
Yeah, it's kinda surprising how few scrolling beat 'em ups there are on the system. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a good homebrew one to see what could have been done on the hardware. I suspect the sprite limit would have made things pretty tough for a game in the genre.
@@InglebardGaming Indeed. I can only guess that if the TG had done better stateside, there are at least would have been a few more beat em ups. For instance, perhaps Konami would have made a TMNT game which from what I've heard, that series had more success in the west than they did in the east. I would guess that it would have been the first arcade game if not something similar to Hyperstone Heist.
The one brawler I am aware of, I don't know anything about it other than it's in the plans down the road and it's by the guy who did FX Unit Yuki.
Yeah the sprite limit would definitely be a problem and they would have to keep a certain amount of enemies off screen. I think Riot Zone perhaps uses three enemies on screen max? But that's only with one player, since there is no two player mode in that game. I know you can move enemies off screen which I think is part of the trick with sprite limitations in these types of games, but I don't recall if there's some sort of downside to that.
Bitmap Bureau seems to be doing multiple console versions of Final Vendetta, and they recently told me that doing Xeno Crisis on the PCE is high on their list. So it does make me wonder if they might perhaps try making a version of Final Vendetta on the PCE besides Xeno Crisis.
I like the music on the pc engine version but the NES is one of the best OST of videogame history so any change would always be a tough comparisson. But the graphics looks much better on the background, but the characters although have more color but everything seems more tiny and undefined. The unforgivable sin it's that choppy animated graphics for the background, it's so really distracting that empedes seeing the characters properly and got me killed too many times
Yup, agreed on all points. I didn't hate the music on PCE, it ranged from pretty good to decent most of the time, but there's definitely a 2 or 3 songs that aren't too hot in it.
I own the japanese nes version.. ..in a few months i ll buy a turbografx mini and cant wait to try that ng version...that looks better than the snes remaster...lol
Is it a normal opinion that Ninja Gaiden is easier than Ninja Spirit? It took me almost a year of practice to beat Ninja Gaiden when I was young, but I beat Ninja Spirit the weekend I rented it. Of course, I was playing the PC Engine mode. I understand the arcade mode and especially the actual arcade game are more difficult.
Ninja Spirit is easier in PC Engine mode with the added health and stuff... but if we're talking arcade mode, Ninja Gaiden is WAY easier than Ninja Spirit.
I rented Ninja Gaiden on NES for 24 hours when I was 13 and beat it before returning it! My friends though I was lying, but nope, beat it in that 24 hours because I knew that was all the time I was going to have with it.
Until I got it for like $2 or $3 several years later!
I didn't mind the graphical changes to the PC Engine version but for some reason I couldn't get into playing that version. guess I was just used to how the nes handled the game and it was hard to adjust to it. 😶🌫
In some places the changes are OK, but in some places they're distracting, especially with the badly simulated tile-based parallax. And yeah, the control and feel of the game are definitely different between the two versions. It's still not bad on PCE even if it really should have been done a bit better.
Are the insane amount of ads on this video on purpose, or did YT change something? The video is great but oof af. - EDIT : YT seem to have stepped ads the f up.
Sorry, I left the defaults on for ads so that was YT, I don't ever put in any extra or put them at certain times or anything.
@@InglebardGaming Thank you. Got the same "what in the" experience elsewhere, from being quite okay with supporting the creators by watching ads, to it feeling like the worst of Twitch ad-reel RNG.
@Mamiya645 as an avid UA-cam watcher, I understand. The worst part is, even if you turn off monetization, youtube will run ads on your channel anyway, they just keep all the revenue :p
I'd consider making this channel ad free if it was a viable option.
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@@InglebardGaming Amen, amen and amen. Even my obscure Japanese micro/weird apartment channels have been hit by this. Keep up the great work!
Adoro esse jogo virei os três do nes esse ai eu não conhecia
This one is still OK, but I think most people would agree that overall the NES one is still better.
I've played the PCE version on an emulator, and yeah I got the sense it wasn't as good as the NES original. only played the first level or two because, yknow it's ninja gaiden thus stupidly hard in some parts? so appreciate seeing it all the way through here. it's definitely a mixed bag with some areas' makeovers being improved and some not-so-much... but yeah the soundtrack is a definite downgrade! I did like a couple of the background effects but yeah that attempt at parallax was just awful. I finished the NES version once on NSO (and believe you me I abused savestates, especially so I didn't have to deal with chapter 6's bullshit loop. I heard that was a glitch they liked so much they kept it in... go figure it was retained for the PCE version!) NES definitely comes out on top, but in all likelihood I don't think I'd go back to it after that.
PC Engine is my preferred version to play. I grew up with the NES version, but the looks and sounds of the PC Engine version is WAY better, despite the hinky scrolling. Game play is a toss up. I can find pros and cons for both, but the stand out for me is the music. I absolutely love the PC Engine score.
To each his own, then! For me the music in the PCE version is one of its weakest aspects, I like a few of the tracks but dislike most of them and there are none I prefer to the equivalent NES tracks.
the respawning part that you mention I think its worse on the pc engine Ive played it and for me it had me struggling at some parts that in the nes version didnt. In the nes version it was annoying but if you kept moving it wouldnt be that much of a problem, and on the contrary on the pc engine some parts the flying enemies kept respawning at the moment... I coulnt keep up as easy. Some other differences are that flying enemies on the pc engine most of the time were placed before than they originally were on the nes.
That has never been my experience with these versions of the game, the respawning on the NES happened over and over and over with the slightest screen scrolls while that happened WAY less on PCE.
pc engine its far superior, alot of the complaints are becasue u have played NES version for years music, looks, desing in stages ._. anyway good comparation side by side
Far superior? Definitely not. I played the PCE version for almost as many years as the NES one, I don't have any nostalgia for either one.
The PCE version could have been much better than it was on the hardware and it really is baffling as to why it wasn't a CD release when it came out.
It's not a bad game, but there's a lot that could have and should have been better. The animated tiles, some of the very plain or just weird backgrounds, the nerfed ninja wheel, the blander music and the barely improved cutscenes... it's hard to believe it wasn't a much earlier release on the system.
🙄..... play em both. The NES version is by far, the better experience. Also, what of the sequels? Neither 2 nor 3, appeared on PCE. I have no company bias.... the NES version is a TRUE Tecmo NG game while the PCE version is a sloppy port from a really good developer 🤷♂️
@@TexasHollowEarth lots of games that come in one plataform the secuels never come to others ._. Megaman x 5 x6 are not in saturn, genma onimusha 2 & 3 are not in xbox, silent hill 3 not in xbox, fatal frame 3 directors cut not in xbox :v the best ninja gaiden experience its on the original xbox and 360 not in nintendo
@@TexasHollowEarthIt is very sloppy, although from everything I hear it wasn't Hudson Soft themselves that did it, but rather they outsourced it as per usual. It has been said to be mostly a team in China. Looking at the credits, that seems to be the case, at least in the case of the programmers.
In my opinion, Hudson should have outsourced it to perhaps Now Productions since they're more familiar with the hardware. They've done a ton of games on the PCE for both Namco and Hudson including Bravoman, Genpei Tomaden 1 & 2, Dragon Saber, New Adventure Island, Jackie Chan, etc. All games that use various techniques for parallax. They definitely have more experience with the hardware. Not sure if anybody on the PCE Ninja Gaiden team had ever worked on the PCE before or after this game.
LOL you skipped the cutscenes! I really don't care about story in modern games. The cutscenes in NG are not obnoxious and quick on NG. The PC Engine version is so bad with the backgrounds and it just plays too loosely. I think there is a patch that fixes the background scrolling. This feels totally rushed by Hudson. The SNES version of the trilogy sucks too. The NES version is the best.
I didn't skip the cut scenes, like I mentioned at the start of the video, I show a compilation of the cut scenes after the main game comparison while I do the wrap up at the end.
Yeah bro, that SNES NG Trilogy release is complete trash. The graphics barely changed at all + ALL 3 NG games had their soundtracks, completely RUINED! NG Trilogy SNES soundtrack should have been superb!?
The PC Engine version is 1000 times better by far. Now, I must say that the Nintendo 8-bit version is excellent and I loved it too but only a true Gamer and not a Nintendo fanboy would realize that the PC Engine version is superior. What's more, saying that the backgrounds of the PC Engine version look bad is completely ridiculous and borders on childish fanboynism. In fact, those imperfections of the PC Engine game give it a touch of authenticity and nostalgia.
Nintendo fanboy, lol. Literally the first time I've ever been accused of that. You're obviously new here.
Nah bro...... I'm a HUGE TG16 fan since back in '90. This game sounds and plays completely inferior to the NES original. Then there's the smaller sprites + jerky and stuttering fake parallax layers. I'd pick the NES original for the music alone! Then there's the fact that this is the ONLY NES NG game to see a port to the PCE.... still gotta go back to the NES for NG2 though there was that cut-down port of NES NG3 on the Atari Lynx 🤷♂️
You need glasses or maybe you have poor taste, but the PC-Engine is a million times better visually.
I won't subscribe to your channel and I won't return.
So long and thanks for watching!
Good bye, clown
The terrible scrolling effect would make the PC Engine version unplayable for me.
They totally messed up the background scrolling on PCE. It is going opposite direction than it should like Jim Power.
Actually, when you go forward, it just jiggles in place, it's more like a stationary layer. However! When you run in the OPPOSITE direction, it scrolls in the way you'd expect! Super weird.
Jim Power inverted scrolling is a crime against humanity
I suspect that this is emulation problem, I bet it does not do that on a real or FPGA PC-Engine. PC-Engine does not have 2 background layer so they have to use some other mean to do this. Games like Lords of Thunder use very clever ways to achieve perfect multiple fake background parallax.
Update : just tested on my Analog Duo and although it is not as bad when you actually play, it is not good. They simpy flip the tile instead of animating the tile to fake scrolling. It is not too distracting when you play it. Nothing like the horrible Jim Power.
My understanding is, it's what some would call a static background. It's supposed to stay completely in place while the foreground overlaps it. It uses what are called dynamic tiles which are basically tiles that are animated. And apparently that's what is going on in that giant elevator level as well, except that looks far smoother! So why they couldn't do it horizontally but vertically it was okay is far beyond me. Especially when the same trick has been done in other games by different development teams.
Damn, this video was a fucking magnet for Turbografx-16 fanboys lol
This and any other where I dare to mention anything that's a valid criticism. Also, they never say a word on any of the fully positive TG/PCE videos. Strange, right? 🤷♂️
I really hope I never come off that way. Sure, I have my own personal biases like anybody, but I try not to go overboard with my bias. I always try to recognize the good and the bad but also recognize I'm going to have a different opinion than the next person. I feel like I've mostly grown out of the "16-bit War" so that I can look at things with more balanced glasses, rather than everything on the PCE being rose tinted! Looking at things as preferences rather than I'm right and everyone else is wrong.