@@mbsb1376 no, it is angel dust. It has that title on the "from hell to the unknown" album. I know this because I had the double album in a gatefold cover sleeve, in red translucent vinyl. If my memory serves me correctly, it was one of the last tracks on side 2 of the 1st disc.
You just described almost 90% of underground Metal, at least in the 80s-90s. A lot of bands sounded worse on album than on their demos because most debut albums were the first time the band recorded in real studios with a sound guy that probably never listened to any metal, or the label just didn't care.
Ok so I think your off about ten years unless it's a missprint but in the venom box set that I got it says that yes cronos was 17 when they recorded their first track but the book says 69 not 79 and that no one has it we haven't heard it I don't know man could be a misprint in the book but I don't think so
They don't also sound alike, they look alike too! Search Clive Archer Venom on Google and you'll see he looks like cronos with his face painted white and with blood on his mouth
Look for "parabellum - engendro 666" or madre muerte, but i prefer engendro. this is the true first black metal band and their demo is for 1984. So much brutal than bathory. Is raw black metal in 1984. And in spanish. They don't have the recognise what they deserved.
I hope that wasn't knocking Bathory. Without Quorthon, there would be no Black Metal. Without Venom and Slayer, there'd be no Black Metal. Parabellum is great and all...but Bathroy is the band EVERYBODY name drops, but nobody sounds like.
As someone already said, Clive Archer kinda sounds like Paul Di Anno, and that's cool. But I think that if Cronos never started singing, he wouldn't have changed history as the first "growler".
They are the true Godfathers of Black Metal! I first herd them in "81" My friend bought the album on chance because of the cover and the song list and I just happened to be there when he brought it home from a record store in N.Y.C. I am proud to really be the very few from my town who got into Black Metal when teens were still listening to Madien and Dio I was already listening to These guy,s and Motorhead! I love old Madien and Dio too! please don,t take it as being bad! Just no one was really listening to these guy,s until after Black Metal came out or At War With Satan!
@Blood Eagle 88 Speed Metal?!? Slowest Speed Metal I've ever heard, lol. There is an annoying trend in metal of claiming a band invented a type of metal because of a song title of theirs though (Venom and Possessed are great examples of this, lol). That being said, I do consider Venom the Godfathers of Black Metal. How else do you explain Mantas being taken seriously in a Karate Gi with a Fu Manchu? That, my friend, is only possible with the blessing of the dark lord himself. Don't believe me? Try it yourself (but be prepared for the avalanche of mockery that ensues). The sheer weight of which most men could never hope to survive. But Mantas did. Some say he was even able to pick up women while wearing it, though this has never actually been confirmed, as it's a well known fact that no woman EVER attended a Venom show, lol. Seriously though, I'm gonna go check out the other two bands you listed above. Thanks for the tip. I'm always looking for new bands to add to the collection.
@Blood Eagle 88 Venom are NWOBHM not Speed METAL Speed METAL was invented by Helloween and Blind Guardian as was Power METAL. Black METAL didn't exist in 1981 so Venom were the first to name Black METAL for their 1982 album.
Awsome work..Puting so many rare and first demo of classic bands. Most of them were not availabale since a long long time... Great reaserche, almost antrhropological worl. You must have a real devotion for primal or starting point of greatest groups. TK you for your time passed to collected all of those treasures. Pretty awsome for all of us headbanger...
@@lordphillipemcmlxxxv8492, así es, pero tenían un sonido mucho más embrutecido, rápido y duro que la mayoría de bandas de heavy metal británicas de la época, incluso diría que tienen algo de punk en su música y actitud, quizás de forma inconsciente. Creo que siendo heavy y sin ser una banda thrash en sus inicios, influenciaron a lo que luego sería el thrash metal y otros estilos del metal extremo. Es más, creo que sin grupos como Venom, Hellhammer o Angel Witch el thrash metal no existiría.
@@WarthDader74 I know him. He left the band and moved to Italy something to do with Crowley and Thelema. He was/is a true black magician. He told me he set the band up to get his lords message out. It worked.
@@ribeyemgtow1783 That's sounds interesting, I guess there are reasons of why the other guys from the original Venom as good as never have talked about him during almost 4 decades after he left
En abril pasado se cumplieron 40 años de la primera demo de Venom con lo cual al año siguiente grabarían su primer disco que es Welcome to Hell que sería el vamos al black metal
That's a Jeff narrative. They never mention Archer because they fear him, he wrote the first two albums, designed the band, got it rolling and split.. A serious occultist who still practices.
Not sure if i'd call them punk. Certainly punk influenced-- Iron Maiden's first singer was certainly a punk straight out of a punk band. (although he had the potential to sing like an angel, ex. phantom of the opera) but the bass, drums and guitar were all heavy metal. Venom had that lo-fi punk DIY punk attitude, and this Clive Archer guy was probably a heavily punk influenced singer. but they were certainly more speed metal than anything. Maybe to stay true to the die hard black metal/venom fans, "blackened" speed metal.
@Blood Eagle 88 well if we want to be specific they are heavy metal, speed metal (definitely motorhead vibes), even some thrash stuff maybe, anyway i kinda agree with you but to me the intro riffs of acid queen and especially warhead sound pretty black metal ( and yes venom sound pretty punky as well, like motorhead did too)
@@ΜάριοςΣίσκος-η1δ I think is tricky at least to label early 80's bands by today's conceptions of metal genres. They were mixing traditional HM, NWOBHM, punk and other genres and some of them opening new paths.
Those early eps were an evolution of what was to come! Listen to 'hear nothing see nothing say nothing' which came out 82' and tell me if that's pure punk......
I think I prefer this version of Red Light Fever over the WTH version. Not sure about Angel Dust though, the faster tempo really makes the album version of that track.
@@Antonio-sc4ri This version's? Me neither, no one has bothered to write them anywhere, so we only have the album version's lyrics. Sadly there is very little information about these old demos
Cronos' bass is so awful....Abaddon actually sounds on time though. Or close enough....I love Venom. Singer sounds like a cross between Cronos (of course right?) and maybe a touch of Paul Di Anno. They had balls just to play that damn sloppy and evil and raw back then. Seriously.
+GOOTENAGEN I don't think so, check www.metal-archives.com then search for Venom. Cronos is on the bass and Jesus Christ (Real name Clive Archer) is on vocals.
nope this is still nwobhm, the next year with the In League With Satan single Venom started to play and sound more extreme and thus black metal was born
I didn't know this demo, but the versions of the records Welcome to Hell and Black Metal are much better. They sound much dirtier than on these recordings. But for those days...they were something else!
Apparently, when this demo was played at a Sounds music office, ''within seconds all of my fellow journos had vacated their desks and fled the building - not so much in protest; they were white-faced and panic-stricken, and genuinely seemed in fear of their lives.''
![Venom - Canadian Assault [Mini-LP 1985]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/T8Ljxkq57kQ/mqdefault.jpg)
0:00 - Angel Dust
3:09 - Raise The Dead
6:39 - Red Light Fever
0:00 is Woman, not Angel Dust
@@mbsb1376 no, it is angel dust. It has that title on the "from hell to the unknown" album. I know this because I had the double album in a gatefold cover sleeve, in red translucent vinyl. If my memory serves me correctly, it was one of the last tracks on side 2 of the 1st disc.
@@mbsb1376 of course it could be that the song had a different title in the states, but I recognise the 3 tracks by these 3 titles as well.
@@mbsb1376he literally says angel dust in the track a dozen times
when your demos are better produced than your actual album.
You just described almost 90% of underground Metal, at least in the 80s-90s.
A lot of bands sounded worse on album than on their demos because most debut albums were the first time the band recorded in real studios with a sound guy that probably never listened to any metal, or the label just didn't care.
When your demo is tighter than your album
This version of Raise the Dead is miles better than the Black Metal version
you should listen to their church all demo
@@hedgehognegative1059 I've listened to it all!
*CRONOS WAS ONLY 17 WHILE THIS CAME OUT IN 1980, AND 16 WHEN HE AND THE OTHERS STARTED VENOM IN 1979!*
mind = blown
Ok so I think your off about ten years unless it's a missprint but in the venom box set that I got it says that yes cronos was 17 when they recorded their first track but the book says 69 not 79 and that no one has it we haven't heard it I don't know man could be a misprint in the book but I don't think so
He wasn't one of the founders of the band.
@@jakubmarszaek5918 He IS the band.
I'd say misprint, as Cronos was six years old in 1969.
If Motorhead would make your lawn die, these guys would spontaneously combust it.
I love the bass guitar on this demo
Cant believe how alike the original singer and cronos sound. I thought this was a bullshit post and it was cronos at first.
Conrad copied the original singer.
This vocalist sounds like a nastier version of Lemmy from Motorhead.
They don't also sound alike, they look alike too! Search Clive Archer Venom on Google and you'll see he looks like cronos with his face painted white and with blood on his mouth
Reminds me alot of Paul Di'anno in some way
This is where it all began,then came others,sodom,celtic frost,carnivore,slayer,ect....
Exactly Darron...this IS it! THE BEGINNING of the whole thing. The originators of black metal....extreme metal in general. Everyone else followed
its still different to hear this to the albums but still in love with and I'm 50 so venom and I go way back. fortunate to party with them.
This may be where Black Metal began, but the first trve Black Metal band was Bathory.
Look for "parabellum - engendro 666" or madre muerte, but i prefer engendro. this is the true first black metal band and their demo is for 1984. So much brutal than bathory. Is raw black metal in 1984. And in spanish. They don't have the recognise what they deserved.
I hope that wasn't knocking Bathory. Without Quorthon, there would be no Black Metal. Without Venom and Slayer, there'd be no Black Metal. Parabellum is great and all...but Bathroy is the band EVERYBODY name drops, but nobody sounds like.
Been into them since the mid eighties . Never gets old
Can't belive never listened to this demo!!!
As someone already said, Clive Archer kinda sounds like Paul Di Anno, and that's cool. But I think that if Cronos never started singing, he wouldn't have changed history as the first "growler".
Dude, David Lee Roth was growling long before Cronos
@@BigTony-bf5jrJim Dandy Mangum was growling in 1970 with Black Oak Arkansas. Howling Wolf was growling in the 1940s
@@BigTony-bf5jrJim Morrison? Lemmy would growl some of the Vocals, and Steven Tyler was the first to use the Black Metal Donald Duck style screaming.
Yes this guy sound like Di Anno. chorus of Angel Dust, is 100% Di Annos singing style.
They are the true Godfathers of Black Metal! I first herd them in "81" My friend bought the album on chance because of the cover and the song list and I just happened to be there when he brought it home from a record store in N.Y.C. I am proud to really be the very few from my town who got into Black Metal when teens were still listening to Madien and Dio I was already listening to These guy,s and Motorhead! I love old Madien and Dio too! please don,t take it as being bad! Just no one was really listening to these guy,s until after Black Metal came out or At War With Satan!
@Blood Eagle 88 Speed Metal?!? Slowest Speed Metal I've ever heard, lol. There is an annoying trend in metal of claiming a band invented a type of metal because of a song title of theirs though (Venom and Possessed are great examples of this, lol). That being said, I do consider Venom the Godfathers of Black Metal. How else do you explain Mantas being taken seriously in a Karate Gi with a Fu Manchu? That, my friend, is only possible with the blessing of the dark lord himself. Don't believe me? Try it yourself (but be prepared for the avalanche of mockery that ensues). The sheer weight of which most men could never hope to survive. But Mantas did. Some say he was even able to pick up women while wearing it, though this has never actually been confirmed, as it's a well known fact that no woman EVER attended a Venom show, lol. Seriously though, I'm gonna go check out the other two bands you listed above. Thanks for the tip. I'm always looking for new bands to add to the collection.
@Blood Eagle 88 Venom are NWOBHM not Speed METAL Speed METAL was invented by Helloween and Blind Guardian as was Power METAL. Black METAL didn't exist in 1981 so Venom were the first to name Black METAL for their 1982 album.
@@phantasyboy1031 Motorhead and Exciter invented speed metal, but Venom is NWOBHM band I agree
Me: Mom I want Iron Maiden
Mom: We have Maiden at home
Maiden at home:
and it is infinitely better
Why ever leave the house
Sounds like Di'Anno era Iron Maiden on cheap speed and bad whiskey.
Hahahahaha awesome!!!
Exactly what the doctor ordered apparently. Venom.
Sounds like motorhead after getting stood up by some nasty hookerz
hahaha
You say that as if it's a bad thing :D
Best angel dust version
Fuckin` good! I didn`t know there was another singer in the beginning of the band! Good singer!
England has supplied us with some great classic metal.
то чувство, когда демо-запись звучит лучше чем дебютный альбом
Awsome work..Puting so many rare and first demo of classic bands. Most of them were not availabale since a long long time... Great reaserche, almost antrhropological worl. You must have a real devotion for primal or starting point of greatest groups. TK you for your time passed to collected all of those treasures. Pretty awsome for all of us headbanger...
This is actually really good!
Anything venom did back in the day was good.
This is why was fav band in early eighties best thing to happen to music rock with venom
one hell of a demo
This demo is included as some of the bonus tracks on Welcome to Hell
I really like Cronos bass sound on this.
Way ahead of their time! Sounds like the early Hardcore stuff.True purveyors of the underground!
Thanks for this!!!...Fan since 83
This Is the best studio work Venom done.
I like this slower, heavier version of Raise The Dead over the album version.
Once I tuned it with my equalizer it took on a new life
good shit man!
thx for sharing this masterpiece with us
definitely more better than the studio
it really sound like a studio album (:
Okay so I have seen the light, venom kicks so much fucking brutal ass I can't even believe I slept on this shit!
Loved this band beyond belief.
They were like a more punk version of 70s death ss songs.. where black metal and extreme metal came from
This is awesome!!! 🤘🏼
It is.
That is really really cool!
GOOD TRAINING MUSIC
rough and excellent
A very dirty Motörhead. But the influence of Lemmy’s band is clearly audible here
9:26 Venom got Mick Jagger in the studio, so sick
Perfect record
The engineering work is really good. The bass really push. I like it
Venom, padres del thrash, antes que Slayer y Metallica
Pero hazlos entender al igual que el black
Venom está catalogado como NWOBHM
@@lordphillipemcmlxxxv8492, así es, pero tenían un sonido mucho más embrutecido, rápido y duro que la mayoría de bandas de heavy metal británicas de la época, incluso diría que tienen algo de punk en su música y actitud, quizás de forma inconsciente. Creo que siendo heavy y sin ser una banda thrash en sus inicios, influenciaron a lo que luego sería el thrash metal y otros estilos del metal extremo. Es más, creo que sin grupos como Venom, Hellhammer o Angel Witch el thrash metal no existiría.
Si, 100%!
De las primeras bandas de black thrash metal
11:22 - 4 Song... ?
Jesus Christ was a badass singer !!!
This is sick.
Thank Satan they never got any better ;-)
Paul Di Anno?! Great stuff!
Clive Archer was a good singer.
I've been wondering for a long time what happened to him after Venom, and what he is up to nowadays
@@WarthDader74 me too
@@WarthDader74 I know him. He left the band and moved to Italy something to do with Crowley and Thelema. He was/is a true black magician. He told me he set the band up to get his lords message out. It worked.
@@ribeyemgtow1783 That's sounds interesting, I guess there are reasons of why the other guys from the original Venom as good as never have talked about him during almost 4 decades after he left
@@ribeyemgtow1783 sin palabras
EU FUI CONHCER O *PAI* DO BLACK METAL EM 1986 NO CORINTHIANS, JUNTO COM EXCITER E VULCANO 🤘⚰️🇧🇷
HISTÓRICO!!! Inclusive o atraso... Mas foi em 86...
@@christianvillarroel3405 valeu 👍86
holy fucking shittttt
sick demo
This might be the very first death metal album as it was recorded in late 1979 - 1980
Why this demo sounds like studio version?
cause the album welcome to hell was just a load of demos, that neat records put out.
My VENOM My SATAN. AVE VENOM.
En abril pasado se cumplieron 40 años de la primera demo de Venom con lo cual al año siguiente grabarían su primer disco que es Welcome to Hell que sería el vamos al black metal
It sounds almost black demon by Running Wild
Cool!
Good stuff
Até bem produzida pra época né 🤘💀☠️
I gave this the 666th Like!
When venom was a 4 piece band.....archer fail to a rehearsal and the rest is history...
That's a Jeff narrative. They never mention Archer because they fear him, he wrote the first two albums, designed the band, got it rolling and split.. A serious occultist who still practices.
Precious Jewel Of Black Metal!!! lml Satan!
It sounds clearer than the original vinyl album version.Funny.
noch da
Ahhh, always ignored them, what a mistake!
All hail fucking Venom
The singer sounds similar to Cronos they should have kept him.
BillGeezerIommi Ozzy
Yeah Archer singing. He's a little more clearer in the vocals.
He left the band, They had no choice.
@@RockoEstalon I knew him and he told everyone he was going beforehand.
@@RockoEstalon Sister had corpse paint and the whole black metal stuff package too .
Earlier than that .
♥
Listen on 1.5x
Uhm.. surprised by the quality of this '80 demo..Hail early Venom!
The demo sounds better as Welcome to Hell what the..
DEMOn haha got it
Any album suggestions with bass like this one? Thank you in advance.
Hellhammer
💃🤘
Venom IS Punk. So was early Iron Maiden. Then Bruce came along and began singing opera. Just look at Eddies transformation to Number of the Beast.
Not sure if i'd call them punk. Certainly punk influenced-- Iron Maiden's first singer was certainly a punk straight out of a punk band. (although he had the potential to sing like an angel, ex. phantom of the opera) but the bass, drums and guitar were all heavy metal.
Venom had that lo-fi punk DIY punk attitude, and this Clive Archer guy was probably a heavily punk influenced singer. but they were certainly more speed metal than anything. Maybe to stay true to the die hard black metal/venom fans, "blackened" speed metal.
@Blood Eagle 88 well if we want to be specific they are heavy metal, speed metal (definitely motorhead vibes), even some thrash stuff maybe, anyway i kinda agree with you but to me the intro riffs of acid queen and especially warhead sound pretty black metal ( and yes venom sound pretty punky as well, like motorhead did too)
@@ΜάριοςΣίσκος-η1δ I think is tricky at least to label early 80's bands by today's conceptions of metal genres. They were mixing traditional HM, NWOBHM, punk and other genres and some of them opening new paths.
@Blood Eagle 88 Same as Possessed with Death Metal
Jose Manuel Ortecho i agree
VENOM los meros meros del Trash.
Del black y sobre todo del metal extremo
As much as i love venom,discharge blew this away from the same year and they were official releases not demos!!!!
But Discharge were more punk
Those early eps were an evolution of what was to come! Listen to 'hear nothing see nothing say nothing' which came out 82' and tell me if that's pure punk......
I think I prefer this version of Red Light Fever over the WTH version. Not sure about Angel Dust though, the faster tempo really makes the album version of that track.
☠️666👿
Two very different versions of Red Light Fever. I think the version on Welcome is better, less good produced but more on the point
Ja, vart fan fick hon tag i denna?
by the way not this but Welcome to Hell my friend brought home!
⸸🤘🏻🖤🔥⛧🔥🖤🤘🏻⸸
Its pure energy. It was recorded 2 months before my birth
pretty punky, actually
R0kushi thefirst two albums they put out where punk asell
Through my terrible grammar, I can tell that Im trying to say their albums would have some good punk influences.
Idk but i can hear a Thin Lizzy influence.
is just me or the lyrics on "Raise the dead" of this are not the same as on the album?
You're right, they aren't the same. Only the chorus is the same I think.
@@PJ-zh5gd I can't find them anywhere )):
@@Antonio-sc4ri This version's? Me neither, no one has bothered to write them anywhere, so we only have the album version's lyrics. Sadly there is very little information about these old demos
@@PJ-zh5gd i tried a lot one night to find them
i really did. but not succeed )):
Cronos' bass is so awful....Abaddon actually sounds on time though. Or close enough....I love Venom. Singer sounds like a cross between Cronos (of course right?) and maybe a touch of Paul Di Anno. They had balls just to play that damn sloppy and evil and raw back then. Seriously.
The singer is actually Clive Archer. Agreed, he really sounds that way.
+GOOTENAGEN I don't think so, check www.metal-archives.com then search for Venom. Cronos is on the bass and Jesus Christ (Real name Clive Archer) is on vocals.
Motorvenom
i need this TAPE!!!
These songs come with the reissue of Welcome To Hell, if you're interested.
The tape is almost impossible to find, you can listen to these on the DX version of Welcome to Hell
And what is the fourth track ?
OK, it's for me, it is Raise The Dead too !
Clive "Jesus Christ" Archer ...Jesus Christ XD
It's not so bad vocally...
South Died
this clive archer?
Yes
Here is where black metal was born.
nope this is still nwobhm, the next year with the In League With Satan single Venom started to play and sound more extreme and thus black metal was born
It's like an evil iron maiden
I didn't know this demo, but the versions of the records Welcome to Hell and Black Metal are much better. They sound much dirtier than on these recordings. But for those days...they were something else!
Maiden or Venom.
GG Allin
WORLD Big4 ,,GodFather'80" of thrashmetal:VENOM,JudasPriest,AC/DC,IronMaiden!!! !!!
Apparently, when this demo was played at a Sounds music office, ''within seconds all of my fellow journos had vacated their desks and fled the building - not so much in protest; they were white-faced and panic-stricken, and genuinely seemed in fear of their lives.''
This od just rock with dirty sounding guitar . Why people think that Venon influenced thrash and Black metal ?????
These are demos, they made the songs a lot faster and more aggressive sounding for the actual albums
Motorhead attempt, number 5.