Only if you're comparing them in print or on a lage enough screen. If the primary purpose was for instagram pictures and social media then the difference is not really going to be noticed even by an experienced photographer by comparing an instagram photo shot from a professional still camera and an instagram photo shot from a smart phone.
@@RamaSivamani You kinda actually can easily tell the difference. Smartphones don't do too well in replicating wide open apertures. You can visibly see the computed blur vs a natural lens blur. If high aperture shot, then the difference becomes a bit more difficult.
The controllability and sensor size of a real camera is the important thing to me, it allows me to get the image I see in my mind before pressing the shutter.
I'll require three things: External card, two slots. Variable aperture with a shallow dof and lens choices. Better dynamic range. The first one can be solved but phone manufacturers won't. The next two would require phones to break the laws of physics. Smartphones will eat the entry level market, not the enthusiast to pro.
Wow!! Such a solid comment!! I could not agree more!! U r very technically correct and also the Pro & Enthusiast market part! Thumbs up for ur comment Juan - Andrew
Great video, Andrew! I enjoy the process and taking great photos. Personally I will always pick a dslr or mirrorless over a smartphone. I only use my phone for quick snap shots.
My photography is mainly used at bodybuilding competitions. In recent times the main workhorse has been the iPhone 12 Pro Max as I can quickly upload the photos to social media without editing. However I can do this only at shows that I help organise so have access to the front of the stage. For shows I am just a spectator at the main tool is a Canon G3X and you can generally sneak it in without spooking security. If I brought in a dslr or mirrorless security with block it more times than not.
Very true, we've been hounded by security so many times it ain't even funny anymore (Although it is still an ongoing bet how long we can leave the big camera out before security catches up with us).
One my friend is a photojournalist. He now uses a mid range smart phone while to cover agitations, demonstrations, security personnels' actions which in most cases turn violent and spare none
I would stay with a regular camera because I like the process, but also so I can customize settings for the best pictures. Phones are getting very good, but there will always be limitations due to the sensor size, the lack of controls for flashes, etc. so while they are very good now and are very convenient, I still think there will always be a need for dedicated cameras for serious photography in my opinion.
Very interesting presentation. The Samsung in manual mode allows you to make very many of the adjustments you mentioned. I think you will be quite surprised at the functionality, but like with conventional cameras the photographer must have the skillset to make these adjustments payoff. I believe that is another reason why cellphones are so popular - they automate by default the process. Try the manual mode and select Raw format for even more versatility.
So to answer some other points in the video. The iPhone camera button can also be activated using the either volume button although in the real world I hardly use it. For some reason I find it easier to press the white circle on the screen with less camera shake. As for manual control in the native iPhone camera app I agree it is limited. But I was surprised you can get exposure compensation which I do use for stage photography. I have to agree with you the AI bokeh is not great. It is also limited as you have to be close to a subject to make it work. The most common time I use portrait mode is casual taking food photos. If I was a food blogger I would be using a flagship phone to take the photos with perhaps a portable light like a lume cube or profoto c1 if I had more money than sense.
1) Sensor size, controllable aperture. I think a smartphone can stand even an APSC sensor and a fixed focal length lens, something like a Ricoh GR in a smartphone body. A 1" or MFT sensor could be even easier. But with a big sensor you will need control over aperture, to have some depth of field when needed. 2) Interchangeable lenses. Remember the Pentax 110 system and it's tiny lenses. Something like that, with minimum flange distance can be done. An open system for manual third party lenses and with small fee for autofocus lenses. 3) EVF, with some kind of monocular glasses, not attached to the smartphone. Maybe some wifi or Bluetooth device to compose.
Hi Andrew and team nice comprehensive presentation.... smart phones are for child's play... Adults use camaras... Smart phones present processed pictures that don't look natural.. i love process and company of my camera... that give me sense of completeness... cameras make u think and bring your inner artist out of yourself... .. smart phones are short time companion they become obsolete with in year .. but DSLR OR MIRRORLESS CAMERA are lfe time friends.. they never grow old and never ler u to grow older.. For art lovers' cameras will not dye... .. this is transient phases of smartphone up rise but craftman ship associated with even entry level DSLR has no comparison with even highest end smartphone of this time .. you have made much needed awareness about smartphones and DSLR ... stay blessed ...🤩🤩🤩🤩 love and respest FROM PAKISTAN..
Thanks for always supporting haider husain! The tech on smartphones is game changing and DSLR to mirrorless have come a long way slowly but surely - Jin
smartphone will always be for snapshot. Get a outdated DSLR like from 2005 and pair it with a great prime lens and will still produce better photo than the latest smartphone. That's why pro photographers will always advice other photographers to invest in good quality glass if you're seriously want to compete at a pro level
I like to take photos of Birds and Wildlife, So I primarily use long lenses. The only time I use a Smartphone is fit the occasional grabshot or casual landscape. I really like a camera that has interchangeable lenses.
Thoughtful video Andrew. I take mostly wildlife pix with a 500mm lens 10 frames a second dslr Fast exact focusing not sure what phone i would need to do the same. I often crop more than one photo in a pix. Raw also allows satisfying editing. I am an enthusiast only & have no studio. My reason for keeping the DSLR. Heavy, Bulky but necessary. I also own a phone handy take anywhere photos. All so accepted anywhere very little attention draw to yourself unlike a whopping big in your face DSLR. A place for both.
Your point about wildlife (and sports) is a very valid point that smartphone cannot do well in that aspect yet. Wildlife photography truly pushes the pro cam tech to the limits, such as focal length and focusing speeds. Thank you, you brought up a point i didnt, Des Mondo. Appreciate this comment 🥰 - Andrew Boey
Great topic to touch on. I'm still somewhat learning, and protecting your investments and keeping them future-proofed is almost impossible nowadays 🤪 Thank you for letting us know these things, Andrew. You are a great man!
Thank you so much it's a mindset of some people but the ones who know will stay on camera because you can shoot with it for even ten years with out any default en i bet one to use a phone for 10years or maybe if you are ready to upgrade every quarter of the year
The iPhone 14 Pro Max made a great leap forward when it was able to produce a 44MB RAW file to produce an image that can be easily post processed. It works great for most situations and meets another criteria ... the best camera is the one that is with you. My Nikon Z7 with f/4 S lenses (14-30mm, 24-120mm, 100-400mm) is lighter, fits into a smaller bag, and excels when I need more controls for ... focus stacking, HDR multi-exposure shoots, and very controlled depth of field. Aren't we lucky. We can have both and ... hopefully we are more focused on composition that the technical aspects of our camera. BTW ... another great camera (special case applications) is the Insta360 X3.
You are 100% right about nowadays 99% of people don't know what is a good photograph. I have seen on African safaris people taking pictures with phones and being worse with tablets of animals being a mile away and paying thousands of dollars for doing so. If they will put some bigger sensors in phones the quality could improve. I think in a few years AI-generated images will take over the majority of the photography businesses. 90% of all the editing programs are running on AI this AI that already. Reality is over, virtual reality is in. I like my virtual girlfriend, cost me nothing and I can buy the NEWEST camera every year.
It was a time where many people carrying DSLR in the shopping mall taking photo without problem. But nowadays "big" camera is not allowed in many places, any idea why?
The one thing you can't do with photos form iPhone is make a 8x10 print. I am someone who likes to look at an print. hold it look at it just have that photo in my hands. I am old school. This is something you can't experience if your photos are on an iPad.
The answer of why dedicated cameras dont use AI and computational photography is because on phones you dont care about inconsistencies but on dedicated cameras no one will tolerate inconsistencies. You cant take wildlife action photos with multishot HDR, you will end up having too many artifacts.
This is so true!! I think i found the answer to why these pro cams cannot and perhaps wont do AI. They are not consistent. Thank you… your comment is a mind opener- Andrew
It's a generational thing. People 30, 40 and up like to use cameras. Mostly digital. Some older ones even film. Younger they pretty well all use the smartphone for taking photos and short videos!
'Volume Up' button is the shutter button on an iPhone as an alternative. Has been for many years now. interesting video. I wonder myself why nobody has made a mirrorless with the same processing and AI as the iPhone if you want it. That would be perfect!...If Apple made a mirrorless!!...Godox had a go at a bluetooth flash for smart phones but I don't think it did very well. But a simple optical trigger for smartphones that sent the exact shutter time to studio strobes...maybe that's an answer to one of the issues?
I enjoy the process! Feel phone photography is slow as compared to a mirrorless or DSLR! I like my phone as a phone and don't clog it up with photos/videos. Do concur there are some neat composition options built in to the phone. Willing to sacrifice those options for speed of focus and shooting. Think about it, On your phone you have to pull up the app, then hold it out arms length to aim. fumble around to find the shutter button, then it clogs up you small sd card. DSLR aim, EZ find of the shutter, continuous shooting, file on sd card. How many times have you started an shot and someone rings your phone?
We've seen people whose 2nd nature is smartphone snapshots. They can whip out their phones and finish any shot within 3 seconds flat! Obviously the photo itself will not win any award but such is the power of practice lol. That said, many a shot has been ruined by somebody forgetting to mute their phones over our lifetimes...
In many ways, smartphones are cutting the wheat from the chaff. More amateurs will stick with the phone while the pros will go for a dedicated camera. Perhaps it's a good thing!
I was about to buy a new camera, but I started to experiment with my phone before I buy new camera, I love the results sometimes, but I hate the Boca because it's feels unnatural (its usable if the subject is separated from the background), and focusing system is really bad and you need to take multiple photos to come up with one usable photo.
I'm sorry but I still need/want my DSLR camera for the bulk of my shots. I might be old fashioned (it took me years to convert from film to digital) but I am what I am and I can't see a change in the near future, or at all. Thanks for an informative and great video. I need to see the image correctly in what I'm shooting before I press the shutter and that counts for a lot.
Smart phones will continue to lack legitimacy in the eyes of paying clients. Everyone has a smart phone, so everyone will think they can make images at least as good as any other smart phone shooter. Clients will not pay professional fees fore their events to be photographed with smart phones. There will always be the sinking feeling of paying for something that my buddies and I can do just as well, and for free. Clients equate professional photography with professional equipment, and there is a level of perceived expertise, glamor, and history that accompany professional cameras. So clients will put greater trust in professionals to capture special moments.
for work, I use a mirrorless digital camera (dropped my DSLR in 2017 )want a medium format mirrorless camera and for fun a film camera the process is like owning a classic car to enjoy the journey. .the smartphone to phone people is shocking!
In where i live. Nikon d5500 cost about 250 usd. Nikon 50 1.8 about 150 usd. 400 usd is enough for perfect potrait only that beat everykind of smartphone
Seems like, eventually it will become smartphone photography vs film photography🤔 Or maybe not, when the post processing algorithm is so good that it manages to replicate film grain effect 1 to 1 like actual film stocks.
I take photos and videos to capture memories. Videos are better to capture sound of loved ones and emotions. This form of capture requires speed and flexibility. There is no time to frame nor carry the equipment every you go.
I remember when I started filmmaking. It was back when the Canon 5D Mark II was released and everyone was blown away by its ability to record video. Now, it's taken for granted that DSLRs (before their phasing out) have video functionality capable of pro level shooting. I see phones and their cameras at the stage DSLRs were during the 5D Mark II era; so I disagree with Sony that phones will overtake DSLRs by 2024. But they will, just more likely at the turn of this decade, or the beginning of the next decade. I also think that eventually phones will go back to having one camera instead of several, with that camera possessing a larger sensor and multiple functions, like the separate wide angle and telephoto cameras. Plus, bokeh and zoom needs massive improvement. Sound also, but with better algorithms and potentially a quantum mobile chip in the future, who knows what photography will be like in 10 years from now?
The only issue is: increasing sensor size on the phone corresponds to increasing the size of the lenses, so unless phone manufacturers figure out a way to overcome the laws of physics, I don't foresee any improvements on this front... yet.
The point of this video is not about our perspective as photographers to what is a good photo. Rather its what most people think. And sadly a lot of these people could have been our clients. Now aside from weddings and really special occassions, people dont hire photographers anymore just because on how far the smartphone have come. 10 years ago it would have been night and day difference.
I agree but 10 years ago nobody would have thought that smartphones will have this good of a camera. So many things can change in years to come. Let's be open for changes. - Tarshan (Beyond Photography)
Are you old enough to remember the Disc camera? Nothing they could have done would have made it as good as 35mm. If the film quality would have been improved, it could have been used in 35mm, too. The smartphone sensors are just too small. However, I will say that smartphone cameras certainly have improved a lot from what they were just a few years ago... as have mirrorless cameras. My younger sister will never be as old as me. However old she gets, I'll always be older.
@@BeyondPhotography Haha! The film looked a lot like an old Viewmaster reel and was smaller than 110 film. The pictures came out very grainy, as a result. But it was a popular system for a short while.
Smart phones can replace hobby photography. Never will be replaced for a pro unless they will give you an option for replacing lenses. I enjoy the process of photography.
The problem is the camera companies haven't developed the software as fast as the phone companies. Why can't I put a sim card in my camera. If I could put a sim card in my camera I wouldn't even have a smartphone.
The difference is not just depth and focal length. A raw from a camera is capable to recover more shadows and highlights than a raw from a smartphone. Than there is the low light capability and sharpness from prime lenses far superior. The far superior autofocus and manual focus...macro...speedlite...customised buttons to change settings without looking at the screen.
By the time smartphone prices reach 3000 or 4000 $ we will have more advance AI for photos! I like micro vedios quality produced by less than 500 $ smartphones. I can easily record slow motion vedios with smart phones.
I love photography and that’s why I go for a DSLR/Mirrorless camera for real photo shoots, i.e., weddings, ballgames, etc. However, for traveling, convenience, and portability, I go for a Smartphone. In my last travel to Europe I brought my DSLR with two lenses and my iPhone Pro and my experience was that, my camera stayed mostly in my bag and I used my Smartphone most of the time.
I, from India, had a similar experience while visiting some places here, when my heavy DSLR Camera with a short zoom lens was mostly stayed in my bag and a number of good photos were captured thru' a budget mobile phone.
The best benefit of a smart phone is you can screenshot a picture, so you do a video of what you would take stills of, say a ball game or a thunderstorm you don’t have to wait for that one shot, you video the whole thing then screenshot the best frames you want
In my personal opinion, Taking pictures with smartphones is uncofortable. The funny thing now(2022) they got nice high end sensor but not dedicated two steps physical shutter button for focus or keep exposure before shoot. Can't control shutter speed for fast moving scenarios. Noticeable noise on pictures taken under low light situations. Can't change the battery. The way you hold a smarthphone with both hands in order to take a picture will not let you focus on your photo composition. Taking photos by holding a solid real camera body it's a complete different experience a smarthphone can not outpeform.
At the end of the day, we can’t use a smart phone to do what we do with digital cameras. Bird photography with a 500mm or a 600mm is just doesn’t exist. If we are also looking for depth of field, we’ll, also an issue with a smartphone. They both have a different meaning of use period in my opinion
Smart phone shouldn’t be there to compare with cameras. Primary function for smart phone is communication (photography of course is secondary) whereas cameras meant for photography.
Truly enjoyed your post. But… One aspect you didn’t cover is who are the people who are “able” to use the devices? In my case, I suffer from neuropathy with debilitating numbness in my hands; barely can hold a smart phone without dropping it. Many, many people do have conditions that make handling cameras, especially smart phones, difficult to handle. Could you send a message to manufacturers to address the “handicap” issues? My guess is that it would fall on deaf ears - market too small. My last upgrade was to Canon R5 and RF lenses - quite expensive. But… Smaller buttons, nearly invisible in the dark. Unless you are blind - no issue. Thank you, -P.
I think smartphones and mirrorless will have a place for the next several years at least. The majority of people will embrace their camera phones in our digital world and never look at their old camera collecting dust in a drawer. However, I can't imagine a sports or wildlife photographer switching to a smartphone any time soon as they are nearly useless in the telephoto range. You made a great point that most smartphone photos look the same (cookie cutter) and the processing doesn't really change that as that processing is also cookie cutter and very obvious. You didn't mention that the process of taking a photo not only includes the feel of the camera and its controls but also the variety of lenses, both new and old, that produce their own unique looks and tactile feels. I think that traditional cameras including a particular mirrorless brand retain that analog feel that inspires creativity. That analog feel will never completely fade away. Take the example of vinyl records making a strong comeback in the digital music world. Taking a photo or listening to music has a strong emotional element inherent in the activity for many people and the digital world can be too sterile and unemotional for them. I agree the difference is generally in the process, the emotional involvement, the control and the flexibility with mirrorless vs the speed, easy results and similarity of results that is the appeal of smartphones. I personally prefer the first vs the latter for as long as I can but am also happy to whip out my smartphone when it fits tthe situation or I feel lazy.
I just bought d5600 and i have mate 30 pro And i just compare 🤣 when you post it on social media thry look the same 🤣 but i love my d5600 this was my 1st camera
Maybe you are going in the wrong direction. How would the photo look if you light it got phone but take it with mirrorless. Fast turnaround with bokeh. The other question is will phones ever be available in professional versions. Most mobile pics are taken by mums and dads, boyfriends and girlfriends etc and they just want a nice record of a moment. And finally phones will become bulky if they increase the sensor size. So they become heavier and more difficult to carry. Strange I worked in advertising agencies and remember when commercial directors came to pre production meetings with a mobile phone bigger than a brick. Love your videos thanks.
Smartphones are real cameras, and ease of use is like a point-and-shoot. I still prefer a DSLR or mirrorless camera. All are computers, so they could use computational photography just like smartphones. Hopefully, mirrorless cameras will get on board with the tech in smartphones or mirrorless could have a short life.
I definitely do not enjoy the process of taking photos with a smart phone. I don’t like the competitional stuff that’s going on eater. But if you shoot in raw and giving the photo some love in post editing, it will give you some result that that’s perfectly fine. in my opinion at least😂
I enjoy the process it takes to get a great photo.. but most people are willing to accept the smartphone as a professional camera.. for instance I went to a pet store recently and they had a Photographer there taking pet pictures.. 20 dollars get a pro photo was the offer... and sure enough she was using her phone and pictures would be ready to download in about a week.. I would never have dreamed of doing such an offer using a phone camera
Just my opinion, but if I hired a photographer to take photos of me in a professional manner (family, wedding, senior, etc) I would not be very happy if they whipped out their cellphone and started snapping pictures. Using an actual camera is more professional
That's very much true. Even some professional photographers nowadays are shooting an entire wedding on iPhone. It's just a matter of preference I guess. - Tarshan (Beyond Photography)
Cell phone is the future it will only get better as years going by. Consider size and weight of mirrorless and dslr when you go hiking. I don't want to put up with that anymore. I am seventy and have no desire to load myself down with gears. There is just one major problem with cell phone you just can't shoot birds or anything fast in flight. Its simply impossible. Hope someday cell phone can change that.
I use smartphone to take price stickers in shop or to get serial number photo on devices but i don’t use it for serious photo. I use my sony camera. There is no comparaison. Lens, zoom, flash, speed, ergonomics, quality pictures. Phone is crap on Al these criterias.
What I like in Digital Cameras especially DSLR is, it's more reliable than Smartphones. Modern mirrorless cameras has IBIS as well as the lenses. I cannot use smartphones to shoot sports, it is not fast enough and it is not telephoto. I mainly shoot small events like parties or whatever and sometimes the lighting is not good so you will be needing an OCF which is more handy if attached on top of your camera. It is hard to dial settings on smartphones than Digital Cameras with dedicated buttons. Sometimes you need to change lenses from wide to telephoto, depends on situation. The Bokeh looks fake on smartphones 😅 Lastly, the quality of the RAW file of smartphones are not that good. 😅 it is hard to edit.
Well I am hobbyist. I don't like smart phones for photography. The first issue I have is the lens. The photos are distorted by the lens. Stick a lens on a phone, add a bigger battery and an ergonomic grip. What do you have? The biggest floor of digital camera is the asian mind behind them. I say this after pursuing interests in motor bikes, cars, phones and cameras. Korean, Japanese, Chinese manufacturers just don't want to provide equipment that is requested by the users, and they also engineer in weaknesses into the design. Why? Why don't they listen? So many examples of this.
With a smartphone, u constantly upgrade and get a better photo with each generation. U can do the same with a stand alone camera. But…most people don’t. So unless u can constantly upgrade the camera , then a smartphone will always win with successive upgrades just by advances in technology. But… eventually there is no real difference anymore. The eye just can’t see the difference! And hipsters will go back to analog films like audiophiles with vinyl records. Lol.
You forgot to include the real entry level mirrorless camera, Canon M50m2 that cost about 600 USD. Ergonomically smartphones are just terrible, to put it mildly.
@@BeyondPhotography hahahah 😂 but if the a7iv got simcard that will be the OVer power tool for camera man. . . for calling i will use smartwatch. . hope 2023 like that we will make easy money 😋🔥
smart phones will also disappear in less than 10 years, replaced by something better. Their photographic ability will not improve. Entertainment and information will be the main focus.
Don't believe the hype. Smart Phones are great but not ready for prime time just yet. My iPhone 13 pro was trash when trying to get shots at an indoor graduation. I took much better pics using a Sony 6400 apsc with a 4.5 to 6.3 telephoto at distances of about 30-50 feet from stage. Also took better images using a Sony RX-100 Mark 5 outdoors.
But we cannot deny the fact that Smartphones have been surprising us quite well recently. We never know what they will come up with next. Let's wait and see - Tarshan (Beyond Photography)
Any experienced photographer will know the difference between a professional still camera and a phone camera...nothing can beat a dedicated camera.
Only if you're comparing them in print or on a lage enough screen. If the primary purpose was for instagram pictures and social media then the difference is not really going to be noticed even by an experienced photographer by comparing an instagram photo shot from a professional still camera and an instagram photo shot from a smart phone.
@@RamaSivamani You kinda actually can easily tell the difference. Smartphones don't do too well in replicating wide open apertures. You can visibly see the computed blur vs a natural lens blur. If high aperture shot, then the difference becomes a bit more difficult.
Just realized he mentioned the same point with high fNumber.
I thought it is only in my mind but now I know there are people who are in common line with me
Still prefer the dslr or mirless over the Smart phone
The controllability and sensor size of a real camera is the important thing to me, it allows me to get the image I see in my mind before pressing the shutter.
I'll require three things:
External card, two slots.
Variable aperture with a shallow dof and lens choices.
Better dynamic range.
The first one can be solved but phone manufacturers won't. The next two would require phones to break the laws of physics.
Smartphones will eat the entry level market, not the enthusiast to pro.
Wow!! Such a solid comment!! I could not agree more!! U r very technically correct and also the Pro & Enthusiast market part! Thumbs up for ur comment Juan - Andrew
I like the process. I am an enthusiast and like to experiment a lot; which is why I would prefer DSLR/ Mirrorless.
Great video, Andrew! I enjoy the process and taking great photos. Personally I will always pick a dslr or mirrorless over a smartphone. I only use my phone for quick snap shots.
Thank you @James. Value your input. I do agree with you about choosing the best devices for the best outputs. Love & brohugs, Andrew
My photography is mainly used at bodybuilding competitions. In recent times the main workhorse has been the iPhone 12 Pro Max as I can quickly upload the photos to social media without editing.
However I can do this only at shows that I help organise so have access to the front of the stage. For shows I am just a spectator at the main tool is a Canon G3X and you can generally sneak it in without spooking security. If I brought in a dslr or mirrorless security with block it more times than not.
Very true, we've been hounded by security so many times it ain't even funny anymore (Although it is still an ongoing bet how long we can leave the big camera out before security catches up with us).
One my friend is a photojournalist. He now uses a mid range smart phone while to cover agitations, demonstrations, security personnels' actions which in most cases turn violent and spare none
I would stay with a regular camera because I like the process, but also so I can customize settings for the best pictures. Phones are getting very good, but there will always be limitations due to the sensor size, the lack of controls for flashes, etc. so while they are very good now and are very convenient, I still think there will always be a need for dedicated cameras for serious photography in my opinion.
Thanks for commenting John - Jin
True, true & true. I totally agree! You really know photography now! Thank you for sharing!
Hey Mikko, Thank you for watching our video. -Tarshan
I think mirrorless is the future in real photography. Smart phone can't replace this, due to smaller sensors, no lens swap, controls etc.
This is the right answer.
Very interesting presentation. The Samsung in manual mode allows you to make very many of the adjustments you mentioned. I think you will be quite surprised at the functionality, but like with conventional cameras the photographer must have the skillset to make these adjustments payoff. I believe that is another reason why cellphones are so popular - they automate by default the process. Try the manual mode and select Raw format for even more versatility.
So to answer some other points in the video. The iPhone camera button can also be activated using the either volume button although in the real world I hardly use it. For some reason I find it easier to press the white circle on the screen with less camera shake.
As for manual control in the native iPhone camera app I agree it is limited. But I was surprised you can get exposure compensation which I do use for stage photography.
I have to agree with you the AI bokeh is not great. It is also limited as you have to be close to a subject to make it work. The most common time I use portrait mode is casual taking food photos. If I was a food blogger I would be using a flagship phone to take the photos with perhaps a portable light like a lume cube or profoto c1 if I had more money than sense.
1) Sensor size, controllable aperture. I think a smartphone can stand even an APSC sensor and a fixed focal length lens, something like a Ricoh GR in a smartphone body. A 1" or MFT sensor could be even easier. But with a big sensor you will need control over aperture, to have some depth of field when needed.
2) Interchangeable lenses. Remember the Pentax 110 system and it's tiny lenses. Something like that, with minimum flange distance can be done. An open system for manual third party lenses and with small fee for autofocus lenses.
3) EVF, with some kind of monocular glasses, not attached to the smartphone. Maybe some wifi or Bluetooth device to compose.
Hi Andrew and team nice comprehensive presentation.... smart phones are for child's play... Adults use camaras... Smart phones present processed pictures that don't look natural.. i love process and company of my camera... that give me sense of completeness... cameras make u think and bring your inner artist out of yourself... .. smart phones are short time companion they become obsolete with in year .. but DSLR OR MIRRORLESS CAMERA are lfe time friends.. they never grow old and never ler u to grow older.. For art lovers' cameras will not dye... .. this is transient phases of smartphone up rise but craftman ship associated with even entry level DSLR has no comparison with even highest end smartphone of this time .. you have made much needed awareness about smartphones and DSLR ... stay blessed ...🤩🤩🤩🤩 love and respest FROM PAKISTAN..
Thanks for always supporting haider husain! The tech on smartphones is game changing and DSLR to mirrorless have come a long way slowly but surely - Jin
smartphone will always be for snapshot. Get a outdated DSLR like from 2005 and pair it with a great prime lens and will still produce better photo than the latest smartphone. That's why pro photographers will always advice other photographers to invest in good quality glass if you're seriously want to compete at a pro level
True that. Although the quality of the images from smartphones are pretty good we cannot deny the limitations of it. - Tarshan
I like to take photos of Birds and Wildlife, So I primarily use long lenses. The only time I use a Smartphone is fit the occasional grabshot or casual landscape. I really like a camera that has interchangeable lenses.
Thoughtful video Andrew. I take mostly wildlife pix with a 500mm lens 10 frames a second dslr Fast exact focusing not sure what phone i would need to do the same. I often crop more than one photo in a pix. Raw also allows satisfying editing. I am an enthusiast only & have no studio. My reason for keeping the DSLR. Heavy, Bulky but necessary. I also own a phone handy take anywhere photos. All so accepted anywhere very little attention draw to yourself unlike a whopping big in your face DSLR. A place for both.
Your point about wildlife (and sports) is a very valid point that smartphone cannot do well in that aspect yet. Wildlife photography truly pushes the pro cam tech to the limits, such as focal length and focusing speeds. Thank you, you brought up a point i didnt, Des Mondo. Appreciate this comment 🥰 - Andrew Boey
Great topic to touch on. I'm still somewhat learning, and protecting your investments and keeping them future-proofed is almost impossible nowadays 🤪 Thank you for letting us know these things, Andrew. You are a great man!
I like using pro mode on my cell phone so it have full control over lighting shutter speed ISO. Even for the video. I have a S21 Ultra
Thank you so much it's a mindset of some people but the ones who know will stay on camera because you can shoot with it for even ten years with out any default en i bet one to use a phone for 10years or maybe if you are ready to upgrade every quarter of the year
Im enjoying the process+nice photo, which is why i use mirrorless+phone
The iPhone 14 Pro Max made a great leap forward when it was able to produce a 44MB RAW file to produce an image that can be easily post processed. It works great for most situations and meets another criteria ... the best camera is the one that is with you. My Nikon Z7 with f/4 S lenses (14-30mm, 24-120mm, 100-400mm) is lighter, fits into a smaller bag, and excels when I need more controls for ... focus stacking, HDR multi-exposure shoots, and very controlled depth of field. Aren't we lucky. We can have both and ... hopefully we are more focused on composition that the technical aspects of our camera. BTW ... another great camera (special case applications) is the Insta360 X3.
You are 100% right about nowadays 99% of people don't know what is a good photograph. I have seen on African safaris people taking pictures with phones and being worse with tablets of animals being a mile away and paying thousands of dollars for doing so. If they will put some bigger sensors in phones the quality could improve. I think in a few years AI-generated images will take over the majority of the photography businesses. 90% of all the editing programs are running on AI this AI that already. Reality is over, virtual reality is in. I like my virtual girlfriend, cost me nothing and I can buy the NEWEST camera every year.
It was a time where many people carrying DSLR in the shopping mall taking photo without problem. But nowadays "big" camera is not allowed in many places, any idea why?
The one thing you can't do with photos form iPhone is make a 8x10 print. I am someone who likes to look at an print. hold it look at it just have that photo in my hands. I am old school. This is something you can't experience if your photos are on an iPad.
I enjoy the process and the quality of image i get from a decent camera
The answer of why dedicated cameras dont use AI and computational photography is because on phones you dont care about inconsistencies but on dedicated cameras no one will tolerate inconsistencies. You cant take wildlife action photos with multishot HDR, you will end up having too many artifacts.
This is so true!! I think i found the answer to why these pro cams cannot and perhaps wont do AI. They are not consistent. Thank you… your comment is a mind opener- Andrew
It's a generational thing. People 30, 40 and up like to use cameras. Mostly digital. Some older ones even film. Younger they pretty well all use the smartphone for taking photos and short videos!
Yeah. Some younger ones are delivering great products with Smartphones itself. -Tarshan
'Volume Up' button is the shutter button on an iPhone as an alternative. Has been for many years now. interesting video. I wonder myself why nobody has made a mirrorless with the same processing and AI as the iPhone if you want it. That would be perfect!...If Apple made a mirrorless!!...Godox had a go at a bluetooth flash for smart phones but I don't think it did very well. But a simple optical trigger for smartphones that sent the exact shutter time to studio strobes...maybe that's an answer to one of the issues?
I enjoy the process!
Feel phone photography is slow as compared to a mirrorless or DSLR!
I like my phone as a phone and don't clog it up with photos/videos.
Do concur there are some neat composition options built in to the phone.
Willing to sacrifice those options for speed of focus and shooting.
Think about it, On your phone you have to pull up the app, then hold it out arms length to aim. fumble around to find the shutter button, then it clogs up you small sd card. DSLR aim, EZ find of the shutter, continuous shooting, file on sd card. How many times have you started an shot and someone rings your phone?
We've seen people whose 2nd nature is smartphone snapshots. They can whip out their phones and finish any shot within 3 seconds flat! Obviously the photo itself will not win any award but such is the power of practice lol.
That said, many a shot has been ruined by somebody forgetting to mute their phones over our lifetimes...
In many ways, smartphones are cutting the wheat from the chaff. More amateurs will stick with the phone while the pros will go for a dedicated camera.
Perhaps it's a good thing!
very well said...
Thanks for watching ♥️.
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I was about to buy a new camera, but I started to experiment with my phone before I buy new camera, I love the results sometimes, but I hate the Boca because it's feels unnatural (its usable if the subject is separated from the background), and focusing system is really bad and you need to take multiple photos to come up with one usable photo.
I'm sorry but I still need/want my DSLR camera for the bulk of my shots. I might be old fashioned (it took me years to convert from film to digital) but I am what I am and I can't see a change in the near future, or at all. Thanks for an informative and great video. I need to see the image correctly in what I'm shooting before I press the shutter and that counts for a lot.
Smart phones will continue to lack legitimacy in the eyes of paying clients. Everyone has a smart phone, so everyone will think they can make images at least as good as any other smart phone shooter. Clients will not pay professional fees fore their events to be photographed with smart phones. There will always be the sinking feeling of paying for something that my buddies and I can do just as well, and for free. Clients equate professional photography with professional equipment, and there is a level of perceived expertise, glamor, and history that accompany professional cameras. So clients will put greater trust in professionals to capture special moments.
And it's not all about upgrading but to stretch your mind into serious business
for work, I use a mirrorless digital camera (dropped my DSLR in 2017 )want a medium format mirrorless camera and for fun a film camera the process is like owning a classic car to enjoy the journey. .the smartphone to phone people is shocking!
Nothing beats a classic 🔥
In where i live. Nikon d5500 cost about 250 usd. Nikon 50 1.8 about 150 usd. 400 usd is enough for perfect potrait only that beat everykind of smartphone
Sounds like a perfect idea for a new video! We may feature one such episode in the near future.
Seems like, eventually it will become smartphone photography vs film photography🤔
Or maybe not, when the post processing algorithm is so good that it manages to replicate film grain effect 1 to 1 like actual film stocks.
Yup2 agreed. Thanks for watching and leaving your comments 😍.
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Andrew, a business mind inside a photographer.
Very nice
I take photos and videos to capture memories. Videos are better to capture sound of loved ones and emotions. This form of capture requires speed and flexibility. There is no time to frame nor carry the equipment every you go.
That's one way to look at it. At the end of the day, it's just a matter of preference. - Tarshan
key word is phone if you get all the feature's of a camera is it still a phone?
I think yes, it would still be a phone, a camera phone perhaps 😊. Thanks for watching and leaving your comments 😍.
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I remember when I started filmmaking. It was back when the Canon 5D Mark II was released and everyone was blown away by its ability to record video. Now, it's taken for granted that DSLRs (before their phasing out) have video functionality capable of pro level shooting. I see phones and their cameras at the stage DSLRs were during the 5D Mark II era; so I disagree with Sony that phones will overtake DSLRs by 2024. But they will, just more likely at the turn of this decade, or the beginning of the next decade.
I also think that eventually phones will go back to having one camera instead of several, with that camera possessing a larger sensor and multiple functions, like the separate wide angle and telephoto cameras. Plus, bokeh and zoom needs massive improvement. Sound also, but with better algorithms and potentially a quantum mobile chip in the future, who knows what photography will be like in 10 years from now?
The only issue is: increasing sensor size on the phone corresponds to increasing the size of the lenses, so unless phone manufacturers figure out a way to overcome the laws of physics, I don't foresee any improvements on this front... yet.
The point of this video is not about our perspective as photographers to what is a good photo. Rather its what most people think. And sadly a lot of these people could have been our clients. Now aside from weddings and really special occassions, people dont hire photographers anymore just because on how far the smartphone have come. 10 years ago it would have been night and day difference.
I don't think smartphone can ever win against a professional camera.
Thank you for your comment 😍.
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I agree but 10 years ago nobody would have thought that smartphones will have this good of a camera. So many things can change in years to come. Let's be open for changes. - Tarshan (Beyond Photography)
Are you old enough to remember the Disc camera? Nothing they could have done would have made it as good as 35mm. If the film quality would have been improved, it could have been used in 35mm, too. The smartphone sensors are just too small. However, I will say that smartphone cameras certainly have improved a lot from what they were just a few years ago... as have mirrorless cameras. My younger sister will never be as old as me. However old she gets, I'll always be older.
We're not old enough... but Andrew just MAY BE! (and getting older too)
@@BeyondPhotography Haha! The film looked a lot like an old Viewmaster reel and was smaller than 110 film. The pictures came out very grainy, as a result. But it was a popular system for a short while.
Smart phones can replace hobby photography. Never will be replaced for a pro unless they will give you an option for replacing lenses. I enjoy the process of photography.
The problem is the camera companies haven't developed the software as fast as the phone companies. Why can't I put a sim card in my camera. If I could put a sim card in my camera I wouldn't even have a smartphone.
But are you okay with carrying big cameras everywhere you go to pick up calls though? -Tarshan (Beyond Photography)
The difference is not just depth and focal length. A raw from a camera is capable to recover more shadows and highlights than a raw from a smartphone. Than there is the low light capability and sharpness from prime lenses far superior.
The far superior autofocus and manual focus...macro...speedlite...customised buttons to change settings without looking at the screen.
By the time smartphone prices reach 3000 or 4000 $ we will have more advance AI for photos!
I like micro vedios quality produced by less than 500 $ smartphones. I can easily record slow motion vedios with smart phones.
I love photography and that’s why I go for a DSLR/Mirrorless camera for real photo shoots, i.e., weddings, ballgames, etc. However, for traveling, convenience, and portability, I go for a Smartphone. In my last travel to Europe I brought my DSLR with two lenses and my iPhone Pro and my experience was that, my camera stayed mostly in my bag and I used my Smartphone most of the time.
I, from India, had a similar experience while visiting some places here, when my heavy DSLR Camera with a short zoom lens was mostly stayed in my bag and a number of good photos were captured thru' a budget mobile phone.
Because u didn’t know how to use it or not passionate enough
@@Jack14432 No to both. Capturing the moment was more of my priority when in the haste and frenetic pace of traveling.
The best benefit of a smart phone is you can screenshot a picture, so you do a video of what you would take stills of, say a ball game or a thunderstorm you don’t have to wait for that one shot, you video the whole thing then screenshot the best frames you want
In my personal opinion, Taking pictures with smartphones is uncofortable. The funny thing now(2022) they got nice high end sensor but not dedicated two steps physical shutter button for focus or keep exposure before shoot. Can't control shutter speed for fast moving scenarios. Noticeable noise on pictures taken under low light situations. Can't change the battery. The way you hold a smarthphone with both hands in order to take a picture will not let you focus on your photo composition. Taking photos by holding a solid real camera body it's a complete different experience a smarthphone can not outpeform.
A phone will never take a picture like a dslr or a mirrorless camera because have lots of limitations !!! Affecting creativity as well !!!
This is true. Thanks for your comments 😍.
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At the end of the day, we can’t use a smart phone to do what we do with digital cameras. Bird photography with a 500mm or a 600mm is just doesn’t exist. If we are also looking for depth of field, we’ll, also an issue with a smartphone. They both have a different meaning of use period in my opinion
Smart phone shouldn’t be there to compare with cameras. Primary function for smart phone is communication (photography of course is secondary) whereas cameras meant for photography.
Truly enjoyed your post. But…
One aspect you didn’t cover is who are the people who are “able” to use the devices? In my case, I suffer from neuropathy with debilitating numbness in my hands; barely can hold a smart phone without dropping it. Many, many people do have conditions that make handling cameras, especially smart phones, difficult to handle. Could you send a message to manufacturers to address the “handicap” issues? My guess is that it would fall on deaf ears - market too small.
My last upgrade was to Canon R5 and RF lenses - quite expensive. But…
Smaller buttons, nearly invisible in the dark. Unless you are blind - no issue.
Thank you, -P.
I think smartphones and mirrorless will have a place for the next several years at least. The majority of people will embrace their camera phones in our digital world and never look at their old camera collecting dust in a drawer. However, I can't imagine a sports or wildlife photographer switching to a smartphone any time soon as they are nearly useless in the telephoto range. You made a great point that most smartphone photos look the same (cookie cutter) and the processing doesn't really change that as that processing is also cookie cutter and very obvious. You didn't mention that the process of taking a photo not only includes the feel of the camera and its controls but also the variety of lenses, both new and old, that produce their own unique looks and tactile feels. I think that traditional cameras including a particular mirrorless brand retain that analog feel that inspires creativity. That analog feel will never completely fade away. Take the example of vinyl records making a strong comeback in the digital music world. Taking a photo or listening to music has a strong emotional element inherent in the activity for many people and the digital world can be too sterile and unemotional for them. I agree the difference is generally in the process, the emotional involvement, the control and the flexibility with mirrorless vs the speed, easy results and similarity of results that is the appeal of smartphones. I personally prefer the first vs the latter for as long as I can but am also happy to whip out my smartphone when it fits tthe situation or I feel lazy.
phone cameras take fake photographs while my real cameras take real photographs.
I just bought d5600 and i have mate 30 pro
And i just compare 🤣 when you post it on social media thry look the same 🤣 but i love my d5600 this was my 1st camera
Maybe you are going in the wrong direction. How would the photo look if you light it got phone but take it with mirrorless. Fast turnaround with bokeh. The other question is will phones ever be available in professional versions. Most mobile pics are taken by mums and dads, boyfriends and girlfriends etc and they just want a nice record of a moment. And finally phones will become bulky if they increase the sensor size. So they become heavier and more difficult to carry. Strange I worked in advertising agencies and remember when commercial directors came to pre production meetings with a mobile phone bigger than a brick. Love your videos thanks.
Smartphones are real cameras, and ease of use is like a point-and-shoot.
I still prefer a DSLR or mirrorless camera.
All are computers, so they could use computational photography just like smartphones.
Hopefully, mirrorless cameras will get on board with the tech in smartphones or mirrorless could have a short life.
I definitely do not enjoy the process of taking photos with a smart phone. I don’t like the competitional stuff that’s going on eater. But if you shoot in raw and giving the photo some love in post editing, it will give you some result that that’s perfectly fine. in my opinion at least😂
nice
Excellent analisys 👍👍
I enjoy the process it takes to get a great photo.. but most people are willing to accept the smartphone as a professional camera.. for instance I went to a pet store recently and they had a Photographer there taking pet pictures.. 20 dollars get a pro photo was the offer... and sure enough she was using her phone and pictures would be ready to download in about a week.. I would never have dreamed of doing such an offer using a phone camera
I use a stand-alone media player instead of my phone. Same goes for my cameras. To each creature its greater purpose.
Just my opinion, but if I hired a photographer to take photos of me in a professional manner (family, wedding, senior, etc) I would not be very happy if they whipped out their cellphone and started snapping pictures. Using an actual camera is more professional
On point
That's very much true. Even some professional photographers nowadays are shooting an entire wedding on iPhone. It's just a matter of preference I guess. - Tarshan (Beyond Photography)
Cell phone is the future it will only get better as years going by. Consider size and weight of mirrorless and dslr when you go hiking. I don't want to put up with that anymore. I am seventy and have no desire to load myself down with gears. There is just one major problem with cell phone
you just can't shoot birds or anything fast in flight. Its simply impossible. Hope someday cell phone can change that.
The new huawei mate 50 pro has a mechanical aperture 😱
Really?? Wowww!!
I use smartphone to take price stickers in shop or to get serial number photo on devices but i don’t use it for serious photo. I use my sony camera. There is no comparaison. Lens, zoom, flash, speed, ergonomics, quality pictures. Phone is crap on Al these criterias.
Im a birder, smartphones can never reach far distance like 600mm lenses can do.
Availability all time portability in pocket
What I like in Digital Cameras especially DSLR is, it's more reliable than Smartphones. Modern mirrorless cameras has IBIS as well as the lenses. I cannot use smartphones to shoot sports, it is not fast enough and it is not telephoto.
I mainly shoot small events like parties or whatever and sometimes the lighting is not good so you will be needing an OCF which is more handy if attached on top of your camera.
It is hard to dial settings on smartphones than Digital Cameras with dedicated buttons.
Sometimes you need to change lenses from wide to telephoto, depends on situation.
The Bokeh looks fake on smartphones 😅
Lastly, the quality of the RAW file of smartphones are not that good. 😅 it is hard to edit.
Have you considered AI apps like wonder that might make commercial shoots irrelevant.
The development of AI is crazy and also scary at times. Hopefully we don't lose our jobs to the AI. - Tarshan (Beyond Photography)
Well I am hobbyist. I don't like smart phones for photography. The first issue I have is the lens. The photos are distorted by the lens. Stick a lens on a phone, add a bigger battery and an ergonomic grip. What do you have? The biggest floor of digital camera is the asian mind behind them. I say this after pursuing interests in motor bikes, cars, phones and cameras. Korean, Japanese, Chinese manufacturers just don't want to provide equipment that is requested by the users, and they also engineer in weaknesses into the design. Why? Why don't they listen? So many examples of this.
With a smartphone, u constantly upgrade and get a better photo with each generation. U can do the same with a stand alone camera. But…most people don’t. So unless u can constantly upgrade the camera , then a smartphone will always win with successive upgrades just by advances in technology. But… eventually there is no real difference anymore. The eye just can’t see the difference! And hipsters will go back to analog films like audiophiles with vinyl records. Lol.
You forgot to include the real entry level mirrorless camera, Canon M50m2 that cost about 600 USD.
Ergonomically smartphones are just terrible, to put it mildly.
if only a7iv got simcard . . boom we got cinephone 😂🔥. . .
Would you pick up the A7iv to receive a call if got simcard? :P
@@BeyondPhotography hahahah 😂 but if the a7iv got simcard that will be the OVer power tool for camera man. . . for calling i will use smartwatch. . hope 2023 like that we will make easy money 😋🔥
smart phones will also disappear in less than 10 years, replaced by something better. Their photographic ability will not improve. Entertainment and information will be the main focus.
Go to any kenduri la. Any hapless relative with dedicated camera will be asked to take pictures. So you know how hopeless smartphone cameras are😂
Don't believe the hype. Smart Phones are great but not ready for prime time just yet. My iPhone 13 pro was trash when trying to get shots at an indoor graduation. I took much better pics using a Sony 6400 apsc with a 4.5 to 6.3 telephoto at distances of about 30-50 feet from stage. Also took better images using a Sony RX-100 Mark 5 outdoors.
But we cannot deny the fact that Smartphones have been surprising us quite well recently. We never know what they will come up with next. Let's wait and see - Tarshan (Beyond Photography)