I suggest you busy yourself with a computer and learn to make CGI for free, that's the only way they will do it, even then the cost of remastering the film content will be no small expense on its own.
@@XDanW91 I think it would perhaps press them to make a new master of the film prints, but not the CG - that would need artists to contribute their own free time to it for it to be viable in their eyes.
@@mnomadvfx If they can do it with TNG they can do it with ds9. Hell even the wire was shot entirely to be 4:3 and they managed to master it in widescreen with digitally removing things that were meant to be out of frame. Plenty of shows had to go through different obstacles to rerelease in HD. They can figure it out. I suspect the real reason is because unlike when TNG rereleased there is now new "star trek" (and i use that term loosely) being aired. They know ds9 would completely upstage this current new trash which is already on life support and roundly despised.
I like Damar's little smile when he's having the third drink with Quark. It's kinda like he knows that Quark wants to know what Damar's secret is and Damar knows that Quark is going to ply him with alcohol until he finds out. It's almost like Damar's thinking, yeah, I know what you're doing, so I'm going to get free drinks out of you to take advantage, but I'm still not going to tell you. Of course he did in the end.
@@DivinePearl He certainly did later. But here I always took as more being what he expected of Quark and Ferengi in general. The Ferengi aren't a threat, especially not in the eyes of particularly arrogant Cardassians. Quark wants to know, but Damar is dumb/naïve enough to just think "Another Ferengi trying to get intel so they can make money off it." Which is true. Quark IS in it for the money more than anything. He's just a self serving businessman and will absolutely tell everyone proudly that is exactly what he is. Even if Damar DOES tell Quark what he knows, Quark can be expected to only used it to profit himself rather than doing something dangerous to aid the Federation war effort. Even if Rom is turning out to be a bit of a "deviant" by Ferengi standards, Damar would never suspect Quark would actually help the "resistance." He's a classic Ferengi businessman. Cowardice and greed are what he expects. However, at this point I think Damar is underestimating just how unpopular the Dominion and by extension the Cardassians are becoming. Scratch unpopular, flat out *hated* by all the other peoples of the Alpha quadrant. To the point that even self serving types like Quark just want you gone, damn the risks. I think the beginnings of it are being laid down here. Damar doesn't want the Dominion gone yet but he isn't thrilled with them either. The war still appears to be going in their favour. But the cracks are showing in the Dominion/Cardassian "alliance."
@@PumpkinHoard I actually think Quark is actually a bit of contradiction. He says all the right things and does all the right things to be a proper and good Ferengi but throughout the series he usually does the morally right thing (maybe after causing the problem first but he never actually intends real harm) despite it going against standard of Ferenginar Profit first, survival second and everything else after that ethos. So despite Quarks posturing that it’s all for profit I think that by this point he actually really wants to help more than gaining profit (though he would never admit it) especially after being around the HuuMAns (lol) for so long Of course this is just my opinion on the character
To be fair, the fight was as much the fault of the Jem'hadar as it was Damar and the Cardassians who were with him. While Damar shouldn't have been so angry and accuse the Jem'hadar of stealing his padd, they shouldn't have gotten in his face over the padd's contents. They should've went to Weyoun and told him that they found the padd that had Damar's idea to poison the last batch of ketracel white to kill off the Jem'hadar to keep them from turning on the Dominon if they couldn't get the wormhole open. That way, they can address their displeasure at being accused by Damar of being disloyal and of him suggestion that they all be killed off to Weyoun and he and Dukat could've smoothed things over. Instead, they got in Damar's face which only angered him and this combined with Damar naturally assuming the worst about the Jem'Hadar was a recipe for a disaster.
@@girlgarde To be fair, that idea may already have been on the table for the Dominion. A berserking Jem'Hadar would be a danger to everyone around them, possibly including the Founders. They'd either poison the last of the White, or have the Jem'Hadar terminate themselves gradually to ration what little White is left while maintaining their presence. The major difference is that that order would have to come from the Founders.
@@MaxUltimata I agree that it's a potentially good idea to kill off the Jem'hadar if they couldn't produce more ketracel white. I'm simply saying that the Jem'hadar shouldn't have gotten in Damar's face about his idea as he already thought badly of them and would think that they stole his padd. I get that the Jem'hadar didn't trust the Cardassians /and rightfully so/ but they can't go around looking for excuses to get in their faces, that just leads to trouble and makes them looks like drunk Klingons.
Irrelevant trivia, In Turkish Damar" as a word means "vein" and "Kanar" means "bleeds", Together they mean "vein that bleeds" which actually is super accurate considering evolution of Damar's character, painful path and fate...
I love those twisty Kanar bottles. So far, I've been able to find two of them at thrift stores - one filled with dried beans (labelled use by 1997) and an empty one imprinted on the bottom that it was made in Spain (I didn't know that more than one manufacturer made them).
Funny thing i realized in this episode. Since they’re all speaking different languages, but can hear others in their own language thanks to universal translators, puns normally wouldn’t translate. But since “Damar” and “Kanar” are both Cardassian terms, that pun would translate. I don’t know if the writers thought about that, though.
Well, it depends. "Damar" and "kanar" will always rhyme in isolation, but not necessarily in sentences of different languages. For example, bajorian language may have a word order like "I shared a bottle of kanar Damar with"; or ferengi may be an agglutinating language, what ad affixes to words like "Sharedy a bottle of kanar Damarwooh". (Eg. "I shared a bottle of kanar with Damar" in hungarian is "megosztoztam egy üveg kanaron Damarral", or "Damarral megosztoztunk egy üveg kanaron", or "elosztottunk Damarral egy üveg kanart", neither of them rhyme at all.)
I just shared a bottle of kanar with Damar At the bar And I guess we took things a little too far Damar then took out a guitar And sang a song about the Jem'Hadar (These lines were originally formulated by several individuals commenting on Zach Johnson's video. I'm putting them here because his channel was taken down and they're too hilarious/awesome not to live on.)
I still say the setup should have been the Romulans finding out how the federation tricked them into the war, hence the increased hostility. Not some BS about their home planet dying.
@@Tigerman1138 In a way he did, because his death was a result of blindly charging into the fray without any caution... I guess the grief of the loses he had faced up to that point were too much. It's a pity, because the lessons he'd learned from his tragedies would've made him a splendid leader.
16 rule of acquisition: a deal is a deal... until a better one comes along 34 rule of acquisition: peace is good for business 57 rule of acquisition: good customers are as rare as Latinum - treasure them 177 rule of acquisition: know your enemies..... but do business with them always I believe these rules apply to this situation
Up early in the morning, several hours each day putting on removing makeup, with at least 10 hours of filming under him and the while acting with a prosthetic that made it hard for him to annunciate his dialogue. Him and all the other great actors going though that always impressed me.
Maybe Cardassians have two livers, so Damar could have afforded to lose one or have it replaced with ease. btw, in that (space) age, liver failure could have been a preventable and curable thing with just one pill or hypospray injection: "Here's that one injection to repair your liver, again."
This show was so great, even down to the smallest detail. The fact that Damar took the drink and then said no says so much about his character at that point
Quite honestly, I'm thinking at that point (especially taking other actual scenes into consideration), Quark is ACTIVELY acting as a spy for the "resistance" (Kira, Jake, Rom, and Leeta). While he had been sitting on the fence ("Do you see any exhausted Bajoran slave laborers on the Promenade? I don't."), I think he was keeping his eyes and ears open to anything that might get the Dominion off and the Federation back on the station.
Yes, but he was motivated just for profits. The Dominion kept too tight of a leash on illicit activities coming and going from the station so that undoubtedly made Quark quite upset.
He did want to help them. Quark can be really nice but is ashamed of it because ferengi.. Otherwise he wouldnt have told the "II must be drunk to be here to help you" line
@@oldtwinsna8347 No he wasn't. Otherwise, he never would have gotten ahold of Ziyal, had her bake hasperat souffle and then shoot two Jem'Hadar soldiers guarding Kira, Rom, Jake and Leeta. He could (and would) have been executed by the Dominion for sedition and there's no profit in that. What he drunkenly said was the truth: "I tried my best to run my establishment under this occupation. But you know what? it's no fun. I don't like Cardassians--they're arrogant. And mean. And I can't STAND the Jem'Hadar. They're creepy. They just stand there like statues, staring at you." Making a few bars of latinum didn't matter versus the fate of hundreds of billions, even trillions of people in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. He was definitely a Federation and "resistance" sympathizer. As for Damar, I don't think at this point, at least consciously, that he intended to betray the Dominion. Perhaps subconsciously but consciously, he was all for it because he thought the Dominion was making Cardassia great again. The difference between him and Dukat was that Damar had some decency, buried deep down that eventually got out. Dukat, on the other hand, viewed himself as the hero of his own story. He believed that if he forced the Bajorans, Sisko, Nerys, everyone, to acknowledge that he was a great man, a man of vision, sensitivity, and wisdom, that it would fulfill him. He had an enormous ego that needed constant soothing and reassurance from other people; even as he wholeheartedly embraced being a brutal psychopathic tyrant, he deluded himself into thinking he was actually a "compassionate" and paternalistic ruler who treated the Bajorans as his own children and that they (and Sisko and the rest) should acknowledge and thank him for it, as children thank parents for their initial survival and then, in a twisted sense, thanking the parents for being firm and disciplined with them. Dukat was strong enough (or believed he was strong enough) to be Weyoun and the Changeling's equal as part of the Dominion; he didn't realize that they were using the Cardassians. His collapse happened because, at the moment of triumph, everything--the Alpha Quadrant, his status as a great man and his daughter--was snatched away from him. Damar, on the other hand, was at the beginning, a weaker person than Dukat. He was unable to give orders without supervision from Weyoun and because of his feelings of powerlessness, began heavily drinking kanar and womanizing. As the 7th season went on and it became clear that the Cardassians were expendable to the Dominion, Damar began a change of heart. It started In "Strange Bedfellows," when Damar was forced to sign the treaty with the Breen that gave away Cardassian territory, on Weyoun's say-so and then he was ordered to submit his tactical recommendations to the Breen general, who would then present them to Weyoun. The final straw was when Weyoun never sent reinforcements to Septimus III and 500,000 Cardassian troops were slaughtered by the Klingons as a result, in "The Changing Face of Evil." That was what finally launched Damar's rebellion. Damar began weak but became stronger by the end and ultimately, one of the heroes of "DS9."
andrew worley he would have hated that. remember, damar led the resistance against the dominion oppressors. he eventually realized the dominion had been using cardassians as canon foddor and had enough. if they had won the war, cardassia would still be under dominion occupation
1:04 ''yea this stuff is highly secret and i can absolutely not talk about.'' '' well let me pour in another kanar for you...'' ''thank you quark, but i still cant talk about it'' ''.....here, have another one'' XD
+Jeroen Teeuw Bartender, smuggler, weapons-demonstrator, financial advisor to his Klingon wife, computer hacker/possessor of high-level access, diplomat, teacher (to The Prophets), labor- negotiator, and *interrogator/infiltrator*. I love how at 3:33 Kira's INTEL scanners go off, moments later Odo and Jake realize Quark knows something VERY important.
Jeroen Teeuw I always loved that scene. Such a low-tech and yet *highly effective* tactic to extract information. Alcohol has a tendency to loosen one's lips.
Casey Biggs (Damar) would actually drink it on set and what they used for Kanar was Karo brand corn syrup. He eventually became so wired that they switched it out with thickened sugar free pancake syrup.
EVIL KIRK i find it interesting that Starfleet officers drink root beer instead of actual beer. i wonder if they sell orange crush or pepsi in the 24th century
Jushua Plotkin I've always wondered that too. There has to at least be cola. As far as whether those company brands still exist we have never been given a satisfactory(in my opinion) on how the economy works in The Federation so who knows.
@@TheAtkey Root beer was likely chosen because it's pretty unusual to call cola a cola. You either call it Coke, Pepsi, RC, whatever brand you prefer. Saying "cola" generically is pretty uncommon. And of course they wouldn't be using brand names like that on the show. However, root beer isn't quite the same. It's not as weird to hear someone mention root beer as just root beer, without necessarily using the brand name.
@1:19 That look Damar gave. I'll tell you everything when I get drunk enough. That's why Damar went to Quarks. He knew Quark had connections everywhere even the Federation. Damar has never been excited about joining the Dominion.
and that's when everybody in the room yells "OH SHIT" right LOL. Man I miss DS9 I wish there was reruns on tv somewhere not just clips here on youtube :(
@@MarkoMM1974 You are at present probably looking at several tens of millions of dollars to remaster the entire series. And no guarantee that it will sell well enough to make any profit. $17.6 million at $100,000 an episode. You would have to sell 220,000 copies at $80 a pop just to break even. 440,000(62,857 copies per season) copies to make double your money back. That is all 7 seasons by the way. Don't know if there is a big enough of a demand worldwide. Most of those sales would have to be in the USA and Canada. And I was being generous with the episode remaster budget there.
I just realised: Odo knew that Damar talked to Quark about their top secret way of getting Dominion-reinforcements through the wormhole. And the female founder linked with Odo, so she knew too. And then she made the man who, by giving away that information, ultimately was responsible for the Dominion-defeat in the war leader of the Cardassian Union and for some time, supreme commander over the Dominion troops in the Alpha and Beta Quadrant.
... kanar activating the minds like all that xmas goodies deactivate it somehow makes oneselfs stomache filled up w mines; I need some 27 now 🤣🥃 cheers
I always thought it would be interesting if it turned out that kanar had no alcohol in it and alcohol actually didn't intoxicate Cardassians. Just an idea I had, though I think I half-consciously lifted it from Alienation. Newcomers weren't intoxicated by alcohol, but they were intoxicated by sour milk.
@ 1:17 that smirk Damar has when Quark gives him another free drink. He knows what Quark is up to. Why do you think he went into the bar? By getting drunk he can accidently pass on information.
It's implied they shared the whole bottle. Quark is a bartender, he's not likely a lightweight. For him to have gotten "can barely stand" drunk, he probably shared two bottles with Damar!
Ned Barks Still. If I had an extremely important secret and someone was going to use alcohol to try to loosen my tongue, and I knew it, I’d stop trusting that person fast, and wouldn’t let it get that far.
Is Damar just in charge of a group of engineers/scientists working on the midfield problem or does he have engineering skills and we just somehow never see him tinker or talk about things like self-sealing stem bolts?
Quark's generous deed may have been the turning point of the war with the Dominion... But at what cost? How much expensive kanar was drank on that fateful night?
I remember something about they used thick sugar water to make it look vicious. But take after take they had to switch it because he was getting jumpy and shakey.
They had to change Kanar because it was taking an hour to pour a glass. And the actor who plays Dumar was worried all the Kero syrup he was drinking would give him diabetes.
"I can't talk about it."
"I understand. Here, let me pour you another."
Diplomacy 100.
Works every time.
Booze makes everyone a friend
Thats what a nat 20 roll looks like acted out in real life. He knows he shouldnt, but eh, fuck it.
No, Rule of Acquisition No. 47, "Peace is good for business."
@@whoknowswhocares885 Actually, the more I drink, the less I can continue meaningless pleasantries.
"I want the Federation back. I just want to sell ROOT Beer again!"
It's funnier when you remember he hates people even drinking the stuff.
V Guyver it's insideous, just like the Federation
+PetersaberHD It's VILE!
+SpaceClaw
Do you think they will be able to save us?
each and every single of you are awesome
I just liked every comment here, awesome!
Quark: "I want the Federation back"
Me: "I want DS9 back, on Blu Ray"
I suggest you busy yourself with a computer and learn to make CGI for free, that's the only way they will do it, even then the cost of remastering the film content will be no small expense on its own.
@@mnomadvfx Can't we just fund a kickstarter? lol
@@XDanW91 I think it would perhaps press them to make a new master of the film prints, but not the CG - that would need artists to contribute their own free time to it for it to be viable in their eyes.
was so disappointed when I read about his during the week...guess I'll just have to watch it on SD now.
@@mnomadvfx If they can do it with TNG they can do it with ds9. Hell even the wire was shot entirely to be 4:3 and they managed to master it in widescreen with digitally removing things that were meant to be out of frame.
Plenty of shows had to go through different obstacles to rerelease in HD. They can figure it out. I suspect the real reason is because unlike when TNG rereleased there is now new "star trek" (and i use that term loosely) being aired. They know ds9 would completely upstage this current new trash which is already on life support and roundly despised.
Worf: There is an ancient Klingon proverb that says
"You cannot loosen a man's tongue with root beer."
What about prune juice?
@@wilverbal that loosens up the other end.
I like Damar's little smile when he's having the third drink with Quark. It's kinda like he knows that Quark wants to know what Damar's secret is and Damar knows that Quark is going to ply him with alcohol until he finds out. It's almost like Damar's thinking, yeah, I know what you're doing, so I'm going to get free drinks out of you to take advantage, but I'm still not going to tell you. Of course he did in the end.
Not only was it free drinks, it was an expensive form of kanar
i think Damar secretly wanted the domonion out as well.
As long as he can not be blamed... But compromising their own forces against the Federation could be a risk for his own safety.
@@DivinePearl He certainly did later. But here I always took as more being what he expected of Quark and Ferengi in general. The Ferengi aren't a threat, especially not in the eyes of particularly arrogant Cardassians. Quark wants to know, but Damar is dumb/naïve enough to just think "Another Ferengi trying to get intel so they can make money off it." Which is true. Quark IS in it for the money more than anything. He's just a self serving businessman and will absolutely tell everyone proudly that is exactly what he is. Even if Damar DOES tell Quark what he knows, Quark can be expected to only used it to profit himself rather than doing something dangerous to aid the Federation war effort. Even if Rom is turning out to be a bit of a "deviant" by Ferengi standards, Damar would never suspect Quark would actually help the "resistance." He's a classic Ferengi businessman. Cowardice and greed are what he expects.
However, at this point I think Damar is underestimating just how unpopular the Dominion and by extension the Cardassians are becoming. Scratch unpopular, flat out *hated* by all the other peoples of the Alpha quadrant. To the point that even self serving types like Quark just want you gone, damn the risks. I think the beginnings of it are being laid down here. Damar doesn't want the Dominion gone yet but he isn't thrilled with them either. The war still appears to be going in their favour. But the cracks are showing in the Dominion/Cardassian "alliance."
@@PumpkinHoard I actually think Quark is actually a bit of contradiction. He says all the right things and does all the right things to be a proper and good Ferengi but throughout the series he usually does the morally right thing (maybe after causing the problem first but he never actually intends real harm) despite it going against standard of Ferenginar Profit first, survival second and everything else after that ethos.
So despite Quarks posturing that it’s all for profit I think that by this point he actually really wants to help more than gaining profit (though he would never admit it) especially after being around the HuuMAns (lol) for so long
Of course this is just my opinion on the character
0:18 - "Wait a minute? You started a fight in my bar and now you're getting a promotion? What kind of way is that to run an army?" - Wisdom from Quark
To be fair, the fight was as much the fault of the Jem'hadar as it was Damar and the Cardassians who were with him. While Damar shouldn't have been so angry and accuse the Jem'hadar of stealing his padd, they shouldn't have gotten in his face over the padd's contents.
They should've went to Weyoun and told him that they found the padd that had Damar's idea to poison the last batch of ketracel white to kill off the Jem'hadar to keep them from turning on the Dominon if they couldn't get the wormhole open. That way, they can address their displeasure at being accused by Damar of being disloyal and of him suggestion that they all be killed off to Weyoun and he and Dukat could've smoothed things over.
Instead, they got in Damar's face which only angered him and this combined with Damar naturally assuming the worst about the Jem'Hadar was a recipe for a disaster.
@@girlgarde
To be fair, that idea may already have been on the table for the Dominion. A berserking Jem'Hadar would be a danger to everyone around them, possibly including the Founders. They'd either poison the last of the White, or have the Jem'Hadar terminate themselves gradually to ration what little White is left while maintaining their presence.
The major difference is that that order would have to come from the Founders.
@@MaxUltimata I agree that it's a potentially good idea to kill off the Jem'hadar if they couldn't produce more ketracel white. I'm simply saying that the Jem'hadar shouldn't have gotten in Damar's face about his idea as he already thought badly of them and would think that they stole his padd.
I get that the Jem'hadar didn't trust the Cardassians /and rightfully so/ but they can't go around looking for excuses to get in their faces, that just leads to trouble and makes them looks like drunk Klingons.
Irrelevant trivia,
In Turkish Damar" as a word means "vein" and "Kanar" means "bleeds",
Together they mean "vein that bleeds" which actually is super accurate considering evolution of Damar's character, painful path and fate...
Probably not a coincidence. Star Trek has always stuck in obscure names and references. Thanks for that but of trivia!
From my perspective, not "irrelevant trivia". Rather, insightful depth.
I love how Kira goes from annoyed to paying full attention when Quark reveals why he came in.
Kira should know better
ROOTBEER "if you drink enough of it, you begin to like it - just like the Federation."
almost sounds like a marketing line to non-humans trapped or fearing the Dominion.
It's insidious.
@@Sindraug25 just like the Federation....
@@Sindraug25 i thought it was insipid
Strong fermented root beer. Yam.
Hey, this isn't too (aftertaste starts to kick in) baaaaddd.
Damar was yet another great supporting character. This show sure had a knack for developing side characters without undermining the main characters.
Except Morn, that chatterbox never got a chance to shine.
Damar went through Kanar like Klingons through Jem'Hadar.,,,
😂😂😂
"You're drunk."
"Of course I am! Do you think I be talking you right now if I were sober?"
Quark trying to outdrink Damar to get intel is one of the legendary feats that made DS-9 so damn epic.
I love those twisty Kanar bottles. So far, I've been able to find two of them at thrift stores - one filled with dried beans (labelled use by 1997) and an empty one imprinted on the bottom that it was made in Spain (I didn't know that more than one manufacturer made them).
I use to have one when I was younger then noticed it on the show. Wish I still had it!
I ve seen one recently at cost plus I believe. It might be one manufacturer that sells to multiple customers.
Alcohol: The greatest intelligence gathering tool in the known universe.
Quark: *Super Spy*
Garak would be so proud.
Sloan will be MORE proud..
Funny thing i realized in this episode. Since they’re all speaking different languages, but can hear others in their own language thanks to universal translators, puns normally wouldn’t translate. But since “Damar” and “Kanar” are both Cardassian terms, that pun would translate. I don’t know if the writers thought about that, though.
It's a rhythm, not a pun
@@ivanthemadvandal8435 You mean rhyme.
I wouldn’t be surprised that they had.
Well, it depends. "Damar" and "kanar" will always rhyme in isolation, but not necessarily in sentences of different languages. For example, bajorian language may have a word order like "I shared a bottle of kanar Damar with"; or ferengi may be an agglutinating language, what ad affixes to words like "Sharedy a bottle of kanar Damarwooh".
(Eg. "I shared a bottle of kanar with Damar" in hungarian is "megosztoztam egy üveg kanaron Damarral", or "Damarral megosztoztunk egy üveg kanaron", or "elosztottunk Damarral egy üveg kanart", neither of them rhyme at all.)
@@nyuzotturunk I fainted and nearly died trying to pronounce even one of those sentences
I just shared a bottle of kanar with Damar
At the bar
And I guess we took things a little too far
Damar then took out a guitar
And sang a song about the Jem'Hadar
(These lines were originally formulated by several individuals commenting on Zach Johnson's video. I'm putting them here because his channel was taken down and they're too hilarious/awesome not to live on.)
and his brother Lamar who crashed into a star his last words were arrgh arrgh!
The Vulcan dancing was too bizarre. It was like they were going through Pon Farr.
Then we all played 'Whos Line Is It Anyway?' with Damar. The first game we played was "Scenes From A Jar".
Then it continued from afar
In a distant galaxy called Axanar
While we continued with Jabar
Dancing with our Cantar
No more rhymes now, I MEAN IT!
After watching ST: Picard... "I miss the Federation."
So does our Admiral
Amen.
The newer shows are just garbage packaged in special effects. It's awful.
I still say the setup should have been the Romulans finding out how the federation tricked them into the war, hence the increased hostility. Not some BS about their home planet dying.
@@dkupke that had been a thing for like ten years already
I still feel bad that Damar basically became an alcoholic because of what the Dominion put him trough.
And then he dies.
He didn't die in vain though.
If nothing else, he also got a couple of free drinks out of it :\
I think killing Ziyal also helped him along towards becoming a fulltime alcoholic.
Spoiler
@@Tigerman1138 In a way he did, because his death was a result of blindly charging into the fray without any caution... I guess the grief of the loses he had faced up to that point were too much.
It's a pity, because the lessons he'd learned from his tragedies would've made him a splendid leader.
Quark must be durnk: he didn't even charge for the information!
He just had enough of the Dominion and their patsies
When getting information from an idiot, a wise businessman doesn't tip off the idiot by charging.
@@henderson023 pretty sure that's one of the rules of acquisition somewhere...
16 rule of acquisition: a deal is a deal... until a better one comes along
34 rule of acquisition: peace is good for business
57 rule of acquisition: good customers are as rare as Latinum - treasure them
177 rule of acquisition: know your enemies..... but do business with them always
I believe these rules apply to this situation
@@SlideIX That's the 35th rule ;-) :-P .
*34th Rule of Aquisition: War is good for business.*
(it's easy to get them confused ... :3 )
"I just shared a bottle of 'kanar' with 'Dumar' - probably one of the best lines ever spoken in DS9
Every time they show Damar now, I call him "kanar with Damar" XD 😂😂
One has to wonder if the writers named Damar just so they could someday do that joke...
Right up there with "...Well hello-oo...ho ho ho ho."
I bet Armin Shimmerman (Quark's actor) worked the laugh into the scene because it was just funny
bullshit
Armin Shimmerman is wonderful! Just a really great actor!
Up early in the morning, several hours each day putting on removing makeup, with at least 10 hours of filming under him and the while acting with a prosthetic that made it hard for him to annunciate his dialogue. Him and all the other great actors going though that always impressed me.
Damar and his Kanar. I wonder what is the Cardassian equivalent of liver failure.
liver torture
Liver occupation.
Maybe Cardassians have two livers, so Damar could have afforded to lose one or have it replaced with ease. btw, in that (space) age, liver failure could have been a preventable and curable thing with just one pill or hypospray injection: "Here's that one injection to repair your liver, again."
We don't even know if Kanar is alcohol.
hagamapama At least it _was_ something to make Quark inebriated.
This show was so great, even down to the smallest detail. The fact that Damar took the drink and then said no says so much about his character at that point
god damn I miss this show
Despondencymusic I think he meant the show’s new episodes and continued storyline.
The new shows are garbage.
Quite honestly, I'm thinking at that point (especially taking other actual scenes into consideration), Quark is ACTIVELY acting as a spy for the "resistance" (Kira, Jake, Rom, and Leeta). While he had been sitting on the fence ("Do you see any exhausted Bajoran slave laborers on the Promenade? I don't."), I think he was keeping his eyes and ears open to anything that might get the Dominion off and the Federation back on the station.
Yes, but he was motivated just for profits. The Dominion kept too tight of a leash on illicit activities coming and going from the station so that undoubtedly made Quark quite upset.
oldtwins na Rules 35 & 35 apply if you have the lobes for it.
Rule of acquisition #7: Keep your ears open.
Then again, there's rule of acquisition #66: Someone's always got bigger ears!
He did want to help them. Quark can be really nice but is ashamed of it because ferengi.. Otherwise he wouldnt have told the "II must be drunk to be here to help you" line
@@oldtwinsna8347 No he wasn't. Otherwise, he never would have gotten ahold of Ziyal, had her bake hasperat souffle and then shoot two Jem'Hadar soldiers guarding Kira, Rom, Jake and Leeta. He could (and would) have been executed by the Dominion for sedition and there's no profit in that. What he drunkenly said was the truth: "I tried my best to run my establishment under this occupation. But you know what? it's no fun. I don't like Cardassians--they're arrogant. And mean. And I can't STAND the Jem'Hadar. They're creepy. They just stand there like statues, staring at you." Making a few bars of latinum didn't matter versus the fate of hundreds of billions, even trillions of people in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. He was definitely a Federation and "resistance" sympathizer. As for Damar, I don't think at this point, at least consciously, that he intended to betray the Dominion. Perhaps subconsciously but consciously, he was all for it because he thought the Dominion was making Cardassia great again. The difference between him and Dukat was that Damar had some decency, buried deep down that eventually got out.
Dukat, on the other hand, viewed himself as the hero of his own story. He believed that if he forced the Bajorans, Sisko, Nerys, everyone, to acknowledge that he was a great man, a man of vision, sensitivity, and wisdom, that it would fulfill him. He had an enormous ego that needed constant soothing and reassurance from other people; even as he wholeheartedly embraced being a brutal psychopathic tyrant, he deluded himself into thinking he was actually a "compassionate" and paternalistic ruler who treated the Bajorans as his own children and that they (and Sisko and the rest) should acknowledge and thank him for it, as children thank parents for their initial survival and then, in a twisted sense, thanking the parents for being firm and disciplined with them. Dukat was strong enough (or believed he was strong enough) to be Weyoun and the Changeling's equal as part of the Dominion; he didn't realize that they were using the Cardassians. His collapse happened because, at the moment of triumph, everything--the Alpha Quadrant, his status as a great man and his daughter--was snatched away from him.
Damar, on the other hand, was at the beginning, a weaker person than Dukat. He was unable to give orders without supervision from Weyoun and because of his feelings of powerlessness, began heavily drinking kanar and womanizing. As the 7th season went on and it became clear that the Cardassians were expendable to the Dominion, Damar began a change of heart. It started In "Strange Bedfellows," when Damar was forced to sign the treaty with the Breen that gave away Cardassian territory, on Weyoun's say-so and then he was ordered to submit his tactical recommendations to the Breen general, who would then present them to Weyoun. The final straw was when Weyoun never sent reinforcements to Septimus III and 500,000 Cardassian troops were slaughtered by the Klingons as a result, in "The Changing Face of Evil." That was what finally launched Damar's rebellion. Damar began weak but became stronger by the end and ultimately, one of the heroes of "DS9."
Had Damar not got drunk and spilled about the mines the Dominion might have won the war.:)
andrew worley he would have hated that. remember, damar led the resistance against the dominion oppressors. he eventually realized the dominion had been using cardassians as canon foddor and had enough. if they had won the war, cardassia would still be under dominion occupation
Garak’s “motivation” for Romulans joining the war may too have been an important deciding factor. I would argue the turning point in the war.
Everyone has their vice. Damar's vice is alcohol, specifically kanar. Quark knew this and exploited it.
Yeah, what a convenience ex machina.
1:04 ''yea this stuff is highly secret and i can absolutely not talk about.'' '' well let me pour in another kanar for you...'' ''thank you quark, but i still cant talk about it'' ''.....here, have another one'' XD
+Jeroen Teeuw Bartender, smuggler, weapons-demonstrator, financial advisor to his Klingon wife, computer hacker/possessor of high-level access, diplomat, teacher (to The Prophets), labor- negotiator, and *interrogator/infiltrator*.
I love how at 3:33 Kira's INTEL scanners go off, moments later Odo and Jake realize Quark knows something VERY important.
Jeroen Teeuw Right? It's like he's Bill Cosby.
Jeroen Teeuw I always loved that scene. Such a low-tech and yet *highly effective* tactic to extract information. Alcohol has a tendency to loosen one's lips.
Especially with soldiers. They also set up Damar's alcoholism fairly well.
That's why Damar went to the bar. He had information to pass on to The Federation. He has never had any likes for the Dominion.
Morn in the background. Just makes me smile.
They're always like "Morn just told me..." even though we the viewers never hear him say anything. Like a running joke.
So basically the Dominion lost the war because Damar couldn't handle his liquor.
Casey Biggs (Damar) would actually drink it on set and what they used for Kanar was Karo brand corn syrup. He eventually became so wired that they switched it out with thickened sugar free pancake syrup.
The Moment Quark saved Billions of lives.
Edit: and it is not even the first time!
More like trillions of lives
"...I wanna sell rootbeer again!"
That call back the the most awesome scene in the entire DS9...
Quark "that's expensive"
picard " the federation doesn't believe in money"
Based on how Kanar is described in the books, I really wanna try it. It sounds like if you made hard liquor out of a durian.
Gigas0101 Visual appeal. It is like seeing multiple shot glasses before you.
No the killer line was He wants to sell Root Beer Again! Dam I miss that show
My love of root beer came from this show. LOL. However, I did like how it became a metaphor for the Federation.
EVIL KIRK i find it interesting that Starfleet officers drink root beer instead of actual beer. i wonder if they sell orange crush or pepsi in the 24th century
Jushua Plotkin I've always wondered that too. There has to at least be cola. As far as whether those company brands still exist we have never been given a satisfactory(in my opinion) on how the economy works in The Federation so who knows.
@@TheAtkey both alcohol and harmful stuff was minimized so Cola and beer would be rare but still drink able if not using replicator.
@@TheAtkey Root beer was likely chosen because it's pretty unusual to call cola a cola. You either call it Coke, Pepsi, RC, whatever brand you prefer. Saying "cola" generically is pretty uncommon. And of course they wouldn't be using brand names like that on the show. However, root beer isn't quite the same. It's not as weird to hear someone mention root beer as just root beer, without necessarily using the brand name.
Title sounds like it would make a great late night Cardassian Talk Show.
"And tonight on Kanar with Damar..."
Each episode ends after the first bottle is empty.
@1:19 That look Damar gave. I'll tell you everything when I get drunk enough. That's why Damar went to Quarks. He knew Quark had connections everywhere even the Federation. Damar has never been excited about joining the Dominion.
I'm almost done my second run through of ds9, first was a while ago, such a great show.
Deep Space Nine is my FAVORITE Star Trek series!
and Damar lost the war for the dominion, because he trusted a Ferengi offering something for free
Two of my favorite characters on DS9 in one scene (Quark and Damar). :D The other two, Dukat and Garek were regretfully absent.
I legitly started to laugh out loud when Quark was, of course, let me pour you another. :D
Totally forgot this scene, such a great show!
10 people still think DS9 should still be under Dominion control.
Nana Visitor was SOOOOO beautiful.
Cheers, Quark.
In vino veritas. :)
favorite line, 2:54 with his facial expression, hilarious
Damar was married to B'lanna Torres. In real life!
Was? ;.;
Casey Biggs and Roxann Dawson were married, but divorced during the Voyager series.
Aw, that's a shame. Another thing we have to dislike Voyager for.
Interesting.
long distance relationships are a bitch
and that's when everybody in the room yells "OH SHIT" right LOL. Man I miss DS9 I wish there was reruns on tv somewhere not just clips here on youtube :(
Quark saves the day again
Armin Shimmerman is wonderful! Just a really great actor!. Armin Shimmerman is wonderful! Just a really great actor!.
We need this show on Blu Ray......
RIGHT ON!!!!!
May happen soon. 25th anniversary documentary for DS9 was released recently (What We Left Behind) and for the first time has HD scenes from the show.
@@MarkoMM1974 You are at present probably looking at several tens of millions of dollars to remaster the entire series. And no guarantee that it will sell well enough to make any profit. $17.6 million at $100,000 an episode. You would have to sell 220,000 copies at $80 a pop just to break even. 440,000(62,857 copies per season) copies to make double your money back. That is all 7 seasons by the way. Don't know if there is a big enough of a demand worldwide. Most of those sales would have to be in the USA and Canada. And I was being generous with the episode remaster budget there.
Lol. I always liked Damar. In the end, he did the right thing.. for Cardassia. 😉
2:43 "I don't like Kardashians" you and everybody except Kanye
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a couple of those Kanar bottles for my home brew...
I just realised:
Odo knew that Damar talked to Quark about their top secret way of getting Dominion-reinforcements through the wormhole. And the female founder linked with Odo, so she knew too. And then she made the man who, by giving away that information, ultimately was responsible for the Dominion-defeat in the war leader of the Cardassian Union and for some time, supreme commander over the Dominion troops in the Alpha and Beta Quadrant.
I got a feeling the female changeling and not read all of odo's mind
... kanar activating the minds like all that xmas goodies deactivate it somehow makes oneselfs stomache filled up w mines; I need some 27 now 🤣🥃 cheers
How ONE moment (Damar not able to handle his kanar) can change countless other ones afterwards (in the war)!
Morn is there, hearing everything.
0:44 - Wow. Quark has such a dirty control panel to the replicator. Hasn't he ever heard of wiping it down, and cleaning it once in a while?
Such good acting!
DS9... A classic!
I'm surprised Quark doesn't keep a stock of anti-intoxication pills for situations like this. Things like that have to exist in Star Trek.
Of all the characters on DS9, Damar had the greatest arc.
I love how Quark is accusing the Cardassians of being mean and arrogant. Quark.
I always thought it would be interesting if it turned out that kanar had no alcohol in it and alcohol actually didn't intoxicate Cardassians. Just an idea I had, though I think I half-consciously lifted it from Alienation. Newcomers weren't intoxicated by alcohol, but they were intoxicated by sour milk.
The way Quark describes the Jem'Hadar is so funny. His eyes and tone really sells it
What a great character.
Anybody else get the feeling they were drinking grape juice in these scenes?
@ 1:17 that smirk Damar has when Quark gives him another free drink. He knows what Quark is up to. Why do you think he went into the bar? By getting drunk he can accidently pass on information.
Exactly.
First, he drinks the free beverage, then he says he can not help Quark.
"I wanna sell root beer again!" Quite an admission from Quark.
Quark gives Damar one shot and Damar sees right through it. He gives Damar a second shot and Damar spills his guts.
It's implied they shared the whole bottle. Quark is a bartender, he's not likely a lightweight. For him to have gotten "can barely stand" drunk, he probably shared two bottles with Damar!
EmperorSteele Well, maybe. But even if so, Damar should have seen through such an obvious ruse.
Damar is an Alcoholic. That means that there is no way that he can turn down free booze, being that it's his addiction and all.
And quark got wasted heavily too to sell the ruse.
Ned Barks Still. If I had an extremely important secret and someone was going to use alcohol to try to loosen my tongue, and I knew it, I’d stop trusting that person fast, and wouldn’t let it get that far.
Imagine if this is just something Kanar says to make Quark give him free drinks. Lol.
But then he'd blab about.. In Vino Veratis and all that.
@@SovereignStatesman Just realised kanar is the drink. Lol.
Is Damar just in charge of a group of engineers/scientists working on the midfield problem or does he have engineering skills and we just somehow never see him tinker or talk about things like self-sealing stem bolts?
Love Quark one of the best characters in the show
Great plot, good acting.
Kanar is oyster sauce from the Asian aisle of your local grocery market. Bon aperitif!
A bottle of kanar... with Damar! :D
Quark's generous deed may have been the turning point of the war with the Dominion... But at what cost? How much expensive kanar was drank on that fateful night?
A jar of Kanar with Damar at the bar goes too far and could help win war..
Quark, Hero of the Federation.
I miss REAL Star Trek!!! This Kurtzman Trek crap they keep throwing in our faces these days is mind-numbing >.
Yes! I want to have some Kanar with him!
THAT RHYMES!
very freaky...I was JUST THINKING of this scene while browsing through ds9 videos...and BAM, I see this...LOLLMAO!!!! Classic!!
I remember something about they used thick sugar water to make it look vicious. But take after take they had to switch it because he was getting jumpy and shakey.
Yes. The actor who played Damar was a diabetic.
Morn always steals the scene
You know it's bad when Quark wants to sell root beer again.
best damn star trek show there is(YEAH I SAID IT!!! I SAID IT!!!)
oh man 2:00-2:15 is exactly how I act when I'm drunk
The 27 is the same Kanar Gul Dukat has in his office when Sisko comes to visit him early in season 1
0:34 - Damar's actor: fuck, I have to drink another shot of this stuff *again*...
Quark is my favourite ST alien of all time.
Dumar is litterly drinking the Kool-Aid.
They had to change Kanar because it was taking an hour to pour a glass. And the actor who plays Dumar was worried all the Kero syrup he was drinking would give him diabetes.
In a way Damar saved the quadrant right here.... He was always sabotaging the bad guys by sabotaging himself.
So wish fans would do something to push for bluray of DS9
What is overlooked is that Jake was heavily involved in the resistance
Quark is one of the best characters of the entire Star Trek franchise...!!