The reason the ball feels fast as hell, is because it's coming from 38' away instead of 60'. When she threw that 67 mph pitch, it technically matched Aroldis Chapmans flight time @ 106 mph. Top tier mens league fastpitch is comparable as well, Adam Folkard throws 85 mph from 46' away which equates to a 110.8 mph pitch from 60' away.
65 in softball at 43 is the same as 90 in baseball, both take about 4 tenths of a second. Your numbers are way off. They have trouble because the release is from a different location, give them a day in the cages against this and it dingers all day.
Softball pitches and baseball pitches are very different. If you're used to one, it's really difficult to adjust to the other, especially in only a few at bats. I'm not at all surprised they couldn't adjust that quickly. As to which one is "better"... it's really not possible to say, they're just different.
I play both fastpitch and slowpitch softball. I always need time to adjust depending on the types of softball. It's very different, altho it's still in the same sport.
Exactly. The release point is totally different & the ball is initially rising instead of dropping. Batters train themselves to pick up the release point and start to trigger their swing, such as a front foot lift. The softball is coming out of a different spot and the pitcher is closer.
I played slow pitch softball for years. Every year or so a group of former high school baseball players would put a team together. They would struggle for a year trying to figure out the pitching. Eventually, they would figure it out. You could see their frustration on why they cant hit this giant ball lobbed down the middle of the plate.
I did this as a sophomore in high school. I was a pretty decent hitter. First ever slowpitch I saw I swing so early I could have swung twice. It only took a couple of at bats to figure out the timing and start ripping the ball.
You’re right based on my experience. It’s just different…but you figure it out. Rising balls are nasty. A lobbed change up will just about screw you into the ground.
What? For SLOW PITch? They weren’t any good when they got there then. It’s the easiest sport in the world probably. It’s literally for slow old guys to still hit homers…
@@shedrick6846no dude he said slow pitch… there’s no rise ball or change it’s underhand tossed in and has to come down from 8-10 feet. It’s the easiest thing in the world to hit..
@@charleskavoukjian3441 Can't throw as far or as fast underhanded like that. Look at the speed. It's in the 60s. I could throw a baseball overhanded 60-70 in High School and I didn't even play the sport. Pro baseball players pitch over 100 mph. In order for it to be as challenging and fair with underhanded pitching, that distance makes the difference.
Most of you are probably too young to know this but there was a professional fast pitch team back in the ‘70s called The Queen and her Court. Now mind you the Queen and her Court only fielded 5 players. They were that good. I got to see them play and they blew my mind. They would put on exhibition games all over the US. They usually only played 5 innings but it was well worth it to see them play. Their pitcher was clocked at over 100 mph as there was a radar gun at the game that I was. The announcer would say how fast she would throw it. I do know she took on Catfish Hunter when he said no female fast pitch softball pitcher would strike him him out. 3 pitches and he was out!
I was in a mixed adult softball league several years ago. We had one woman who was a fast pitch softball pitcher in college. So we challenged her to do her worst during practice one time. She got one strike past me. I hit the next pitch but wished I hadn't. My arms were numb from my fingers to my elbows. Neat experience
Softvall pitchers are insane those risers and that low release makes it hard to see what the balls gonna do then they can get soo much more movement out of the ball too
@@RustyShackleford776 have you ever played competitive fastpitch? I played baseball through middle school and switch to softball for hs and it was not a drop in difficulty.
It’s the pitchers action that is hard. MLB players are used to overhand. If these guys get 100 pitches from a softball pitcher they would catch on pretty quick in my opinion.
It's not embarrassing at all, totally different, softball pitchers throw from 45 feet, have them throw from 60 feet 6 inches and see what happens, its impressive but not embarrassing.
One recent study postulated that when Jackie Mitchell struck out Ruth and Gehrig in 1931, it was because they couldn't "read her shoulder." Major league batters anticipate pitches by unconsciously watching the pitcher's throwing arm shoulder as the pitch unwinds. With an underhand pitch they couldn't do this.
@@GHBPrOdZ MLB Players sometimes have big time softball pitchers come in for hitting sessions. The MLB Players will struggle to hit. MLB Players have played their entire lives with the ball being pitched one way. They have twitch muscle memory based on decades of practice from this. Having the ball move in completely unexpected ways due to the different pitch style. The MLB Players would adjust eventually, but I don't know if three at bats would be enough for the average MLB Player. I'd say 10-0 is generous to the MLB players. I'd expect them to struggle the first at bat and do well enough by the third.
I had forgotten that this University of North Texas legend had played a season at one of those Oklahoma colleges after she graduated. Way To Go Mean Green!!!
I had a great time teaching and watching my daughter developed into a 5 solid pitch lefty smoke throwing junkball change-up/ knuckle / rise / curve and own most S Florida pitching records. ❤ great sport.
Good luck in Japan, Trevor. I'm really rooting for you, and I hope we can take the show on the road and we can learn more about baseball culture in Japan. The whole crew is awesome, and with all of you, great luck and fortune to you.
I remember on a talk show in the 80s the great Johnny Bench was facing a great female softball pitcher. She threw an impressive fast softball in a blink but it was right down the middle and Johnny got all of it and smoked a very solid line drive. No matter how fast you don't throw it down the middle to a major league ball player. Johnny's had a look that said "That's what I do."
Our softball team won state and we had a baseball vs softball charity game to raise money for their rings. I’ve got so much respect for softball players after that. That ball is COOKING.
This was actually extremely impressive. I remember playing baseball back when I in my teens my entire life and then facing a softball pitcher, it was like someone lobbing it to you underarm, so easy 😂 Goes to show, once they hit that next level, it’s real difficult to track compared to overarm. And Hope was on fire with her accuracy!!
@99Em07 you are incorrect. In fastpitch softball there is a diference. For female pitcher its 43 feet (13m) and for male pitcher it is 46 feet (14m). Have you ever seen mens fastpitch softball world championship? Because some of the best pitchers can pitch right around 75-80 mph no problem.
Bout 15 years ago when I was much younger and was commisioner of an adult slow pitch league. We had a few division 2 girl softball players that were also both pitchers. So I decided to try my hand at hitting them..... not a good choice, I looked like a 9 year old on day one of little league practice.
Women's college softball is now full of athletes that train just as hard as any other sport and it really shows in the quality of the play. Love it. My favorite sport to watch.
My daughter started all 4 yrs on the D1 level and made the all Big East team her senior year. I can attest to this statement. We work hard for many years as a family.
For some reason, i'm able to hit both really good. Though a baseball for me goes further since the weight and size lol. But honestly, It depends which softball you play. Slow pitch softball has an easier accuracy (with my experience) because of the pitch, but fast pitch has a harder accuracy because of the pitch. Baseball pitch has the regular over arm throw like a regular throw for base to base, etc. But you really can't compare 2 (kinda 3) different pitches if you've never experienced all, seen all, but the pitches aren't alike in any way at all so there's really no comparing them. The reason that the ball felt faster is because it's 30-40 inches away from the plate instead of however far a baseball mound is. That pitch can match a pitch by a baseball, but it feels as fast maybe a little faster because of the distance. Y'all have more reaction time 😭 I wish we had that, i'm blind in one eye so hitting is kinda hard because I can't reallly see where the ball is fast enough. (inside, outside, to low or high, etc. That's why I usually get hit lol.)
Thank you for the video. This truly allows my family and I to witness how impressive a friend of my son is. She is a 9th grader all of 5’4” and is pitching 62-67 mph with a 43’ mound. You would never guess meeting her because her parents have raised her so well to have humility and a great leadership mentality. Thanks again. If you would like to meet up with her contact me.
My son's Legion team played a game against one of our state's top softball teams in the 1980's. The guys were dumbfounded at first, but by the third time around in the batting order they had adjusted and had several big innings. Not being able to make good contact for a dozen or so swings doesn't mean much.
I've said this every time I see one of these videos. Of course it's hard to hit a fast-pitch softball the first few times you see one after exclusively hitting baseball pitching for years. This doesn't prove softball is harder than baseball. Not even close.
Exactly, it's just a different angle that we are not used to, once a baseball adjusts to the angle and the look and gets the timing, it's a wrap. Most legit women's softball players cannot make the adjustment to high level baseball pitching even at the high seventies low eighties.
Here's your daily reminder that when Hope throws 68 MPH from 43 feet, that's less reaction time than an equivalent 95 MPH fastball from 60 feet six inches.
Very few baseball players can step in and hit instantly off of a good fastpitch pitcher. The reaction time is less, the ball moves more and the motion makes it hard to pick up spin or differences in pitches. Fastpitch hitters are more reactionary with shorter, more compact swings. I played for 13 years in a competitive men's fastpitch league and always had a high average but had to sacrifice some power because I shortened my stride and swing. There were a few monsters, however, that could still take a full swing and occasionally send one 350-400'. Those guys went through bats though as slowpitch bats are really not designed to hit 80+ MPH pitches with 100+mph swing speeds. Cracks, dents and flat spots all the time. I miss playing, not many men's leagues left around the country.
I beg to differ bro I’ve seen videos of football players hitting bombs off softball pitchers. They’re good but these guys are not trying in this video very very clearly
I honestly doubt that our high school boys team would even show up to play against the girls Yes the boys team is that bad (but it’s not entirely the players fault the head coach is a moron the players literally go from undefeated or only losing a game or two a year thru middle school and freshman and jr year to not winning a game when they get to varsity and jr varsity years when they get to him yet the players are always the problem. Funniest thing i ever seen at a baseball field was when he was away for a few weeks because they had a kid and had complications the assistant coach and one the dads who coached most the boys before they got to high school coached the team and they didn’t lose a game including putting 5 runs on the team that won the division and went to state that year then when he came back and was running the team they went back to losing yet the head coach and the geniuses over the athletic board didn’t see a issue and couldn’t figure out that the coach is the problem) (Forgot to mention the game that he missed because he had a meeting at school and was supposed to drive to the game and meet the team that they won with the assistant and that same dad coaching the team because he came out to his car to a flat tire and had to miss the game)(said flat tire may or may not have been the result of a older brother of one the players loosening the valve core in his tire because he knew it was a blind spot in the lot lol)
I grew up playing baseball, fast pitch softball, and slow pitch softball. I'll not include wiffle ball, but I credit wiffle with my exceptional hitting ability. I was a switch hitter with power from the right side and contact with many hits from the left side. I could hit every pitch with the exception of the knuckle ball and screw ball, and contact was sporadic and not solid for those two pitches. The only unhittable pitch for me was a fast pitch rise ball. Total swing and miss and if I did make contact it was a foul ball, weak grounder or pop fly. Baseball pitches 95 mph and above are easier to hit than a rise ball from a good fast pitch pitcher.
I played some social mixed softball in my 30s , most pitchers were not league, so main skill was just speed and placement - so even if fast, good hand eye easy enough to get contact. yeah when a team had a ring in serious pitcher /rep, no show, a ball that seems to be pitched from ground level rising up. Or a ball seemingly coming straight for your ribs, then curving over the base plate . You need a lot more time to handle those balls. Same in my country. someone says can you play a game of social cricket , seems weird a ball released at 8ft in air at speed hitting the ground in front of you , that you had no idea from lack of experience how it would bounce or stay flat or move with spin ( they can also move them in the air ) , so invariably I moved up the pitch to hit them on the full ,leave it , or do what's call a forward defensive shot . You really need to see thousands and thousands of balls no matter your hand eye ability - So i played badminton for fun - normally what you see is what you get in badminton
I officiate HS softball in my state.. and right now we have a senior who throws in the low 70's (even faster than Hope here)... that 70MPH at 43 ft looks faster than 95MPH at 60.5ft. Which is tougher.. I will say that a good softball pitcher is no creampuff... but at the end of the day.. once you face a few... The movement the baseball guys get is so much more than softball (and believe me, SB can get some movement) that it really depends on the hitter... Good fastball hitters would probably do well.. good breaking ball hitters... will be walking back to the dugout.. still... neither one is really easy...
Big fat comedian Artie Lange had no problem hitting off of a softball pitcher. I've played fast pitch, the only difficulty is waiting for the right pitch as most pitches are purposely outside of the strike zone.
@Urania ☽ The bigger ball is definitely easier to hit. But you're forgetting the closer distance and different release point of the ball. The math equates that a 70 mph softball pitch being equivalent to a 100 mph baseball pitch. Most top softball players are throwing upper 60s with the superstars getting above 70 so in that way its actually pretty similar to baseball with top pitchers throwing 90s with the elite hitting over 100. And actually there are a few mens fastpitch leagues and those guys can throw it in the 80s meaning it would be like hitting a 125+ mph baseball. Almost impossible to hit. Also the softball pitch style allows for different ball movements like a rise ball and screw ball.
I played competitive men’s fast pitch softball for a long time. Good hitters, if given time, could adjust to this pitching and hit it regularly. Proof of this is that many college girls hit over .300 with power. They are used to the speed and the different ball trajectory.
I think I saw before that it was about equally as hard to hit a very good pitcher from both baseball and softball. But easier to get on base in softball because the bases are so close together that almost any contact that isn't directly at a defender results in a base hit. Which is why you see so many softball players just stick the bat out to make contact, because almost any contact results in a hit.
@99Em07 Fair enough. My experience with my girlfriend from years ago playing HS and DIII softball and watching a ton of games is that most contact that ends with the ball in play results in a hit. But perhaps at the DI level it's a bit different.
@@horatiohornblower3757this is very true since the bats provide most of the power in contrast to wooden. You dont really need a ton of arm strength, just a good consistent swing, with good bad speed. Turning on the ball provides the power usually.(though your probably right that its different at different levels)
As a kid in the late 60s / early 70s in Tampa, FL; we would go up and chase the balls the fast pitch men's softball guys hit over the fence for homers, or over the backstop for fouls at the rec center during night games . The league had a deal with the snack bar and we could get a small fountain drink ($.25) or a small Little Debbie snack cake ($.15) for the balls returned and swapped at the snack bar. Fighting over the balls negated the trade in and you were banned from the field for the night, so it was just a race to retrieve. It's a fond memory. The smell of the hot dogs and burgers from the snack bar. The glare of the lights and the bats chasing the bugs. The roar of the crowd cheering for their favorite players and teams. The kids playing behind (under) the bleachers. AND, I still remember the sound that pitch made coming in, a sizzle like bacon frying.
Back in the 70's Steve Garvey, Rod Carew and I think Lou Brock faced Joan Joyce of Raysbestos. Garvey hit a foul ball. I played fast pitch for years and the trick is looking in the right place -- you watch the knee for the ball to appear, that's when you start your swing. We had guys that could throw 90 in our league.
This is one brave pitcher! Pitching to professional baseball players from 47 (I forgot how far it is) feet without a net to protect her from line drives that could literally kill her, is insane! I hope she is wearing a heart guard inside her uniform! The catchers mask is smart but it's not protecting her neck either.
I never realized how much movement they're actually able to get throwing a softball. A fastball looking that flat, but rising sharply would be sick in baseball.
Cant throw it in baseball it’s the arm motion. Rise and drop balls are wicked. My daughter doesn’t have those two quite yet. But her fastball to change up is nasty. Just throwing the kids timing off really sets hitters behind. She doesn’t even throw more than 40 mph but kids used to seeing 50 and 60’s they are done. Cant do anything with them. Grounders and lazy pop ups.
A softball pitcher can throw just as many movement pitches as a MLB pitcher. Drop ball, rise, curve, screw, drop ball, drop curves, knuckleball. It's just insane. Now with that being said not all pitchers throw all these pitches obviously, they may keep it to four pitches.
We did this back in the day (mid '80s) with our company beer league co-ed team. One of our players was a D1 softball pitcher in the early 80's at South Carolina. I got lucky because I played men's fastpitch a few years earlier. Seeing that pill coming at you from 40 feet is disturbing if you've been a baseball player!
What I find interesting in this matchup every time is how people react to certain things. The main difference for baseball batters is that we're looking for the action of throwing over arm, not under. I think this is the hardest step one for any baseball batter. I'm just saying but making a switch from over arm to under is like flipping a coin, which side are you going to force your brain to react too. Awesome video, loved it!
Anyone in SoCal, there's a men's fastpitch league in Burbank that is just dying and we need current/ex baseball players who are into the challenge! We also need people interested in learning how to pitch, and got several great pitchers who are willing to teach!
I would do anything to be able to play again..I had an ulnar nerve transposition my senior season and the Dr. caused nerve damage and chronic pain. I’ve had three surgeries on my elbow now and my nerve moved three times. I played my entire life year round won 6 state championships, a World Series, countless tournaments and I was going to play college ball and had a Braves scouting coach looking at my twin brother and I to play. I’m only 24 now it really sucks not being able to play anymore, I’d do anything to get on the field again.
These guys are Major Leaguers? You think she's fast - you never saw Eddie Feigner strike out, in order: Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente, Brooks Robinson, Willie McCovery, Maury Wills and Harmon Killebrew
Awesome video, but my biggest pet peeve as a former catcher is when catcher expose their throwing hand instead of tucking it behind their leg or behind their back. A fast foul ball to the hand could definitely get you hurt :/
In highschool my baseball team played against the softball team. They were talking smack all year. We had one guy that could fire it underhand. They'd never seen that speed before. We crushed them. Both teams were state qualifiers.
Back in the early 1980s, my JC had a Softball pitcher named Dana Tanaka. She went to San Diego Stadium and struck-out a few of the San Diego Padres in an exhibition matchup.
It’s funny because as a pitcher, the ones she was saying “no that’s a ball, no that’s a strike…” it’s true. I don’t know how it is in baseball, but in softball, even if it’s a strike according to that machine, if it’s too low, painting the corner, it’d be called a ball 9/10. A pitch 3 inches off the plate, waist high, that’d be a strike 9/10…ESPECIALLY if you have 2 strikes already lol.
The softball mound is something like 45 feet so the relative speed of the pitches are low to mid 90’s fastballs. The angle the ball is approaching at is completely different but the movement is less extreme.
I admire my 13 year old daughter. She plays rec baseball and she only girl in the league. The boys respect her and she holds her own. She also plays softball for middle school and she dominates. I struggle to hit the fast pitch softballs. Not gonna lie. She does great in both
Then it wouldn’t be softball anymore, it would be baseball. They aren’t the same game, and this woman is very good at what she does. Of course the men are going to struggle a bit with something that’s very different from what they’ve seen all their lives that doesn’t mean anything other than it’s different - why do you need to try to diminish her talent?
First time i played fast pitch watched a fastball go bye and then i thought i had the timing and then they threw a change up screwed me into the ground so as a guy with speed i laid down a bunt down third base line for a base hit it tough from that close you have to practice a lot to get timing you can't just step in there .
Baseball players struggle against softball pitchers is mainnly the angle of the ball flight is different. The key to hitting is to get the bat on the same plane as the ball. The plane for a baseball pitch is around 30 degrees from horizontal. The plane for a softball pitch is around 15 degrees. If you let a good baseball player have more than 10 pitches, they will adjust and start nailing the ball.
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The reason the ball feels fast as hell, is because it's coming from 38' away instead of 60'. When she threw that 67 mph pitch, it technically matched Aroldis Chapmans flight time @ 106 mph. Top tier mens league fastpitch is comparable as well, Adam Folkard throws 85 mph from 46' away which equates to a 110.8 mph pitch from 60' away.
What about 60' 6"? 😋
@@Douglas_Ithat’s why they don’t throw from 60
They throw from 43', 38' is for I think 10U.
@@milanchen6113 35' 10u and under, 40' 12u, 43' 14u/high school/college
65 in softball at 43 is the same as 90 in baseball, both take about 4 tenths of a second. Your numbers are way off.
They have trouble because the release is from a different location, give them a day in the cages against this and it dingers all day.
Now we need pro softball hitters vs MLB pitchers
Lol 😂
They already did that a couple times.
Its right here ua-cam.com/video/vetdKSXwPoI/v-deo.html
Girls would have no problem with the fastball. Struggle with the curve.
@@mezenman sure
Softball pitches and baseball pitches are very different. If you're used to one, it's really difficult to adjust to the other, especially in only a few at bats. I'm not at all surprised they couldn't adjust that quickly. As to which one is "better"... it's really not possible to say, they're just different.
Perfect answer bro 👍 see too many people trying to compare the two and say one is better than the other but they are truly very different
I play both fastpitch and slowpitch softball. I always need time to adjust depending on the types of softball. It's very different, altho it's still in the same sport.
Give those guys a week or two of seeing those pitches at that distance and the outcome would be very different.
Exactly. The release point is totally different & the ball is initially rising instead of dropping. Batters train themselves to pick up the release point and start to trigger their swing, such as a front foot lift. The softball is coming out of a different spot and the pitcher is closer.
90% of it is the guys waiting for the arm to be above the head
I played slow pitch softball for years. Every year or so a group of former high school baseball players would put a team together. They would struggle for a year trying to figure out the pitching. Eventually, they would figure it out. You could see their frustration on why they cant hit this giant ball lobbed down the middle of the plate.
I did this as a sophomore in high school. I was a pretty decent hitter. First ever slowpitch I saw I swing so early I could have swung twice. It only took a couple of at bats to figure out the timing and start ripping the ball.
You’re right based on my experience. It’s just different…but you figure it out. Rising balls are nasty. A lobbed change up will just about screw you into the ground.
What? For SLOW PITch? They weren’t any good when they got there then. It’s the easiest sport in the world probably. It’s literally for slow old guys to still hit homers…
@@shedrick6846no dude he said slow pitch… there’s no rise ball or change it’s underhand tossed in and has to come down from 8-10 feet. It’s the easiest thing in the world to hit..
As a fastpitch softball catcher , its so satisfying watching a knuckle or a rise ball and see no one swing at it
When my daughter goes from fastball to a knee buckling change up is the most satisfying to watch.
Why do they have the pitchers so close compared to baseball? Why not make them the same?
Yeah they cant pick it . AT ALL
@@charleskavoukjian3441 Can't throw as far or as fast underhanded like that. Look at the speed. It's in the 60s. I could throw a baseball overhanded 60-70 in High School and I didn't even play the sport. Pro baseball players pitch over 100 mph. In order for it to be as challenging and fair with underhanded pitching, that distance makes the difference.
@@reedalexander7295 pro male softball pitchers trow 120-130 kph, thats 75-80 mph from 12 meters! Softball is harder than baseball in reaction time.
Most of you are probably too young to know this but there was a professional fast pitch team back in the ‘70s called The Queen and her Court. Now mind you the Queen and her Court only fielded 5 players. They were that good. I got to see them play and they blew my mind. They would put on exhibition games all over the US. They usually only played 5 innings but it was well worth it to see them play. Their pitcher was clocked at over 100 mph as there was a radar gun at the game that I was. The announcer would say how fast she would throw it. I do know she took on Catfish Hunter when he said no female fast pitch softball pitcher would strike him him out. 3 pitches and he was out!
Played in an exhibition against her in 1977. She pitched from 37 feet instead of normal 46 feet in mens fast pitch.
I think her name was Rosie Black.
Kind of like the king and his court.
@@nativetunes1600 I actually played in an exhibition game against The King. Managed to foul him off once, but that's it.
The king would pick from 2nd base and still couldn't hit it
I was in a mixed adult softball league several years ago. We had one woman who was a fast pitch softball pitcher in college. So we challenged her to do her worst during practice one time. She got one strike past me. I hit the next pitch but wished I hadn't. My arms were numb from my fingers to my elbows. Neat experience
I love how you guys threw in the J-Ram clip for the change-ups
Es guud changeuhh
Played male fast pitch softball after graduating high school , struggled for a few games, but eventually found my swing...if you can hit, you can hit
Softvall pitchers are insane those risers and that low release makes it hard to see what the balls gonna do then they can get soo much more movement out of the ball too
you think mlb players have not seen whacky releases before? not to mention a smaller ball.
@@vincenthammons6705 damn you good? It ain’t that serious
They definitely do not get more movement lol
i love videos like this because it really is just about respect. too many dudes think softball is easy bc they fundamentally dont understand the game.
It's just repetition
I play both softball and baseball, hitting against a baseball is way harder than a softball
If they truly respected her art, they would not have been joking around at the plate.
@@RustyShackleford776 have you ever played competitive fastpitch? I played baseball through middle school and switch to softball for hs and it was not a drop in difficulty.
It’s the pitchers action that is hard. MLB players are used to overhand. If these guys get 100 pitches from a softball pitcher they would catch on pretty quick in my opinion.
She’s fantastic. Hats off to those who managed to put the bat on the ball.
I think you could put almost any of the Oklahoma pitching staff in the last decade against these guys and embarrass them.
BOOMER!!
@@williamjones2153 Sooner!
It's not embarrassing at all, totally different, softball pitchers throw from 45 feet, have them throw from 60 feet 6 inches and see what happens, its impressive but not embarrassing.
@@mikecoyle1969 thanks Homer.
@@mikecoyle1969 thanks Homer.
One recent study postulated that when Jackie Mitchell struck out Ruth and Gehrig in 1931, it was because they couldn't "read her shoulder." Major league batters anticipate pitches by unconsciously watching the pitcher's throwing arm shoulder as the pitch unwinds. With an underhand pitch they couldn't do this.
Not gonna mention she threw a baseball not a softball, this is a debate between sports not gender
She was throwing overhand, this doesn't make any sense at all?
Hope is ridiculous, had to give them extra balls to give them a chance.
shes a pro and theyre just normal if it was mlb players, they woud win 10 to 0
@@GHBPrOdZ there is no way you are this dumb. They are literally MLB players lmao
@@GHBPrOdZ MLB Players sometimes have big time softball pitchers come in for hitting sessions. The MLB Players will struggle to hit.
MLB Players have played their entire lives with the ball being pitched one way. They have twitch muscle memory based on decades of practice from this.
Having the ball move in completely unexpected ways due to the different pitch style. The MLB Players would adjust eventually, but I don't know if three at bats would be enough for the average MLB Player.
I'd say 10-0 is generous to the MLB players. I'd expect them to struggle the first at bat and do well enough by the third.
@@GHBPrOdZ I just looked them up and they’re actually all Draft picks by the MLB.
@@GHBPrOdZno they wouldn’t
I had forgotten that this University of North Texas legend had played a season at one of those Oklahoma colleges after she graduated.
Way To Go Mean Green!!!
Don’t be jealous she just wanted to win!! Boomer Sooner!
@@brockpratt8459 no one's jealous of the hellhole you call OU.
I had a great time teaching and watching my daughter developed into a 5 solid pitch lefty smoke throwing junkball change-up/ knuckle / rise / curve and own most S Florida pitching records. ❤ great sport.
Good luck in Japan, Trevor. I'm really rooting for you, and I hope we can take the show on the road and we can learn more about baseball culture in Japan. The whole crew is awesome, and with all of you, great luck and fortune to you.
All I’m rooting for is the women are safe over their
There is a great book about Japanese baseball. The book is named " You Gotta Have Wa ".I don't recall the author. Wonderful book.
Hes already injured. Wont pitch for a little bit
@@donrightgaming1455 more like Don left gaming
@@donrightgaming1455dude all that bullshit was just rumours
I remember on a talk show in the 80s the great Johnny Bench was facing a great female softball pitcher. She threw an impressive fast softball in a blink but it was right down the middle and Johnny got all of it and smoked a very solid line drive. No matter how fast you don't throw it down the middle to a major league ball player. Johnny's had a look that said "That's what I do."
Barry Bonds faced Jennie Finch and pretty much put on a show. She was a top softball pitcher during that time.
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ thanks for your dose of weirdness
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ I pee in bottles
I sell it a childrens parks and say it’s lemonade
@@calres8626 he put on a show against everyone
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ Amen! Praise the Christ Jesus!
Love how girls/women are exceling at pitching in softball, skiing, surfing, soccer, whatever. You go girl never meant so much.
Eric wearing the jock strap outside is so funny 🤣🤣
I do believe give the guys more time seeing that angle of pitch theyll be able to figure it out.
Give them 10 looks and they'll be smashing everything.
Our softball team won state and we had a baseball vs softball charity game to raise money for their rings. I’ve got so much respect for softball players after that. That ball is COOKING.
This was actually extremely impressive. I remember playing baseball back when I in my teens my entire life and then facing a softball pitcher, it was like someone lobbing it to you underarm, so easy 😂
Goes to show, once they hit that next level, it’s real difficult to track compared to overarm.
And Hope was on fire with her accuracy!!
You can’t do this without Aaron Whitefield, former Aussie stealer now Angels outfielder
Aaron would be like “now this is easy” 😂😂
The reason it feels faster than 95 because she’s closer she’s closer and pitching fast so it seems like 95
No fucking shit
That's correct and hope pitches in the 60's so it would seem super fast.
And some of the best male softball pitchers can throw right around 80 and they just little further
It doesn't just feel 95, the reaction time from that distance is 95. It's as if he is facing 95.
@99Em07 you are incorrect. In fastpitch softball there is a diference. For female pitcher its 43 feet (13m) and for male pitcher it is 46 feet (14m).
Have you ever seen mens fastpitch softball world championship? Because some of the best pitchers can pitch right around 75-80 mph no problem.
Everyone is having fun and being good sports! This was awesome!
I love these video because I love watching everyone giggling about the kinds of pitches there are and how different the processes are.
Yalls videos are great and Trevor Bauer is my favorite pitcher
When you spend 15+ years of your life learning mound distance and release points, of course this is going to be a massive change up.
If you think hitting a softball is hard, mens fastpitch softball is even harder.
Bout 15 years ago when I was much younger and was commisioner of an adult slow pitch league. We had a few division 2 girl softball players that were also both pitchers. So I decided to try my hand at hitting them..... not a good choice, I looked like a 9 year old on day one of little league practice.
Next time you’ll have to get Kinzie Hansen out there to frame for Hope
Boomer
Who?
@cooperlynn9550 she’s the current catcher for the Oklahoma Sooners and played with Hope there
how is the hit at 4:20 a flyout when the ball hit the ground?
Women's college softball is now full of athletes that train just as hard as any other sport and it really shows in the quality of the play. Love it. My favorite sport to watch.
The best sport in the world in my opinion.
My daughter started all 4 yrs on the D1 level and made the all Big East team her senior year. I can attest to this statement. We work hard for many years as a family.
I love Hope.!!❤👍👍
For some reason, i'm able to hit both really good. Though a baseball for me goes further since the weight and size lol. But honestly, It depends which softball you play. Slow pitch softball has an easier accuracy (with my experience) because of the pitch, but fast pitch has a harder accuracy because of the pitch. Baseball pitch has the regular over arm throw like a regular throw for base to base, etc. But you really can't compare 2 (kinda 3) different pitches if you've never experienced all, seen all, but the pitches aren't alike in any way at all so there's really no comparing them.
The reason that the ball felt faster is because it's 30-40 inches away from the plate instead of however far a baseball mound is. That pitch can match a pitch by a baseball, but it feels as fast maybe a little faster because of the distance. Y'all have more reaction time 😭 I wish we had that, i'm blind in one eye so hitting is kinda hard because I can't reallly see where the ball is fast enough. (inside, outside, to low or high, etc. That's why I usually get hit lol.)
I know it's probably hard to find in the USA but someone should do this actually man Vs man
Thank you for the video. This truly allows my family and I to witness how impressive a friend of my son is. She is a 9th grader all of 5’4” and is pitching 62-67 mph with a 43’ mound. You would never guess meeting her because her parents have raised her so well to have humility and a great leadership mentality. Thanks again. If you would like to meet up with her contact me.
My son's Legion team played a game against one of our state's top softball teams in the 1980's. The guys were dumbfounded at first, but by the third time around in the batting order they had adjusted and had several big innings. Not being able to make good contact for a dozen or so swings doesn't mean much.
I've said this every time I see one of these videos. Of course it's hard to hit a fast-pitch softball the first few times you see one after exclusively hitting baseball pitching for years. This doesn't prove softball is harder than baseball. Not even close.
Exactly, it's just a different angle that we are not used to, once a baseball adjusts to the angle and the look and gets the timing, it's a wrap. Most legit women's softball players cannot make the adjustment to high level baseball pitching even at the high seventies low eighties.
I’m from Oklahoma and it’s so cool seeing her repping the state. BOOMER SOONER ❤
Here's your daily reminder that when Hope throws 68 MPH from 43 feet, that's less reaction time than an equivalent 95 MPH fastball from 60 feet six inches.
Sort of reaction Baseball players have to a Cricket ball that seemingly bounces in front of them at 80mph
Very few baseball players can step in and hit instantly off of a good fastpitch pitcher. The reaction time is less, the ball moves more and the motion makes it hard to pick up spin or differences in pitches. Fastpitch hitters are more reactionary with shorter, more compact swings. I played for 13 years in a competitive men's fastpitch league and always had a high average but had to sacrifice some power because I shortened my stride and swing. There were a few monsters, however, that could still take a full swing and occasionally send one 350-400'. Those guys went through bats though as slowpitch bats are really not designed to hit 80+ MPH pitches with 100+mph swing speeds. Cracks, dents and flat spots all the time. I miss playing, not many men's leagues left around the country.
I beg to differ bro I’ve seen videos of football players hitting bombs off softball pitchers. They’re good but these guys are not trying in this video very very clearly
My daughter's high school senior softball allstars played the senior boys allstars baseball team. The boy's dugout was pretty quiet.
I honestly doubt that our high school boys team would even show up to play against the girls
Yes the boys team is that bad
(but it’s not entirely the players fault the head coach is a moron the players literally go from undefeated or only losing a game or two a year thru middle school and freshman and jr year to not winning a game when they get to varsity and jr varsity years when they get to him yet the players are always the problem. Funniest thing i ever seen at a baseball field was when he was away for a few weeks because they had a kid and had complications the assistant coach and one the dads who coached most the boys before they got to high school coached the team and they didn’t lose a game including putting 5 runs on the team that won the division and went to state that year then when he came back and was running the team they went back to losing yet the head coach and the geniuses over the athletic board didn’t see a issue and couldn’t figure out that the coach is the problem)
(Forgot to mention the game that he missed because he had a meeting at school and was supposed to drive to the game and meet the team that they won with the assistant and that same dad coaching the team because he came out to his car to a flat tire and had to miss the game)(said flat tire may or may not have been the result of a older brother of one the players loosening the valve core in his tire because he knew it was a blind spot in the lot lol)
I grew up playing baseball, fast pitch softball, and slow pitch softball. I'll not include wiffle ball, but I credit wiffle with my exceptional hitting ability. I was a switch hitter with power from the right side and contact with many hits from the left side. I could hit every pitch with the exception of the knuckle ball and screw ball, and contact was sporadic and not solid for those two pitches. The only unhittable pitch for me was a fast pitch rise ball. Total swing and miss and if I did make contact it was a foul ball, weak grounder or pop fly. Baseball pitches 95 mph and above are easier to hit than a rise ball from a good fast pitch pitcher.
I played some social mixed softball in my 30s , most pitchers were not league, so main skill was just speed and placement - so even if fast, good hand eye easy enough to get contact. yeah when a team had a ring in serious pitcher /rep, no show, a ball that seems to be pitched from ground level rising up. Or a ball seemingly coming straight for your ribs, then curving over the base plate . You need a lot more time to handle those balls. Same in my country. someone says can you play a game of social cricket , seems weird a ball released at 8ft in air at speed hitting the ground in front of you , that you had no idea from lack of experience how it would bounce or stay flat or move with spin ( they can also move them in the air ) , so invariably I moved up the pitch to hit them on the full ,leave it , or do what's call a forward defensive shot . You really need to see thousands and thousands of balls no matter your hand eye ability - So i played badminton for fun - normally what you see is what you get in badminton
The only reason why Eric isn’t hitting that he knows he’ll get folded
No cap
I officiate HS softball in my state.. and right now we have a senior who throws in the low 70's (even faster than Hope here)... that 70MPH at 43 ft looks faster than 95MPH at 60.5ft. Which is tougher.. I will say that a good softball pitcher is no creampuff... but at the end of the day.. once you face a few... The movement the baseball guys get is so much more than softball (and believe me, SB can get some movement) that it really depends on the hitter... Good fastball hitters would probably do well.. good breaking ball hitters... will be walking back to the dugout.. still... neither one is really easy...
Big fat comedian Artie Lange had no problem hitting off of a softball pitcher. I've played fast pitch, the only difficulty is waiting for the right pitch as most pitches are purposely outside of the strike zone.
They tried this with Barry Bonds vs Jennie Finch (probably the best softball pitcher ever). Barry made it look easy. Hit every pitch.
Nah the pitchers now are way better. The movement is insane.
@Urania ☽ Larger ball at a slower pace, yes, but the distance is also shorter, so the batter has less time to see the ball. That makes it harder.
@Urania ☽ The bigger ball is definitely easier to hit. But you're forgetting the closer distance and different release point of the ball. The math equates that a 70 mph softball pitch being equivalent to a 100 mph baseball pitch. Most top softball players are throwing upper 60s with the superstars getting above 70 so in that way its actually pretty similar to baseball with top pitchers throwing 90s with the elite hitting over 100. And actually there are a few mens fastpitch leagues and those guys can throw it in the 80s meaning it would be like hitting a 125+ mph baseball. Almost impossible to hit. Also the softball pitch style allows for different ball movements like a rise ball and screw ball.
@@brucesmith765 nah the hitters here aren’t as good as bonds
Barry was doing that MLB pitchers. Jennie stood NO chance lol
In softball pitchers often have to pitch the edges. Girls will hit anything in the middle most of the time. And umpires are hard to deal with.
Only clicked on this to watch another dominating performance by a Sooner.
I played competitive men’s fast pitch softball for a long time. Good hitters, if given time, could adjust to this pitching and hit it regularly. Proof of this is that many college girls hit over .300 with power. They are used to the speed and the different ball trajectory.
I think I saw before that it was about equally as hard to hit a very good pitcher from both baseball and softball. But easier to get on base in softball because the bases are so close together that almost any contact that isn't directly at a defender results in a base hit. Which is why you see so many softball players just stick the bat out to make contact, because almost any contact results in a hit.
@99Em07 Fair enough. My experience with my girlfriend from years ago playing HS and DIII softball and watching a ton of games is that most contact that ends with the ball in play results in a hit.
But perhaps at the DI level it's a bit different.
@@horatiohornblower3757this is very true since the bats provide most of the power in contrast to wooden. You dont really need a ton of arm strength, just a good consistent swing, with good bad speed. Turning on the ball provides the power usually.(though your probably right that its different at different levels)
I would've loved having Hope as my pitcher back when I was a catcher. Those change-ups are CLEAN.
Hopefully ESIM is okay after the weightlifting injury.
When did he have a weightlift injury
Idk he posted a short recently like today or yesterday
it’s a couple week old vid needed stitches but was good
It's awesome that players from different types of sports can have fun and respect for one another !!
I like how they just took 3 random guys to hit against her instead of mlb players
I was gonna say get Aaron Judge out there to send those balls into orbit
There not random guys there the people on this channel there really good baseball players and Eric even played in the pros I think tosh might have
You should do this again but get a men’s fastball pitcher
Please make more videos with Eric and Trevor in them, the two together are so funny!
As a kid in the late 60s / early 70s in Tampa, FL; we would go up and chase the balls the fast pitch men's softball guys hit over the fence for homers, or over the backstop for fouls at the rec center during night games . The league had a deal with the snack bar and we could get a small fountain drink ($.25) or a small Little Debbie snack cake ($.15) for the balls returned and swapped at the snack bar. Fighting over the balls negated the trade in and you were banned from the field for the night, so it was just a race to retrieve.
It's a fond memory. The smell of the hot dogs and burgers from the snack bar. The glare of the lights and the bats chasing the bugs. The roar of the crowd cheering for their favorite players and teams. The kids playing behind (under) the bleachers. AND, I still remember the sound that pitch made coming in, a sizzle like bacon frying.
Another great video Momentum! Momentum and Trevor Bauer do more for the game of baseball than anyone out there! Free Trevor Bauer now!!
Back in the 70's Steve Garvey, Rod Carew and I think Lou Brock faced Joan Joyce of Raysbestos. Garvey hit a foul ball. I played fast pitch for years and the trick is looking in the right place -- you watch the knee for the ball to appear, that's when you start your swing. We had guys that could throw 90 in our league.
Hope went to my highschool just realized the last name is her jersey hanging in the hall
The combo of the rise ball going up, and the change up driving down is nasty work tbh.
People forget that softball has their own Major League
people forget? i don’t think anyone knows about it, including me
There are actually two - AU, Athletes Unlimited, and WPF, World Pro Fastpitch.❤
This is one brave pitcher! Pitching to professional baseball players from 47 (I forgot how far it is) feet without a net to protect her from line drives that could literally kill her, is insane! I hope she is wearing a heart guard inside her uniform! The catchers mask is smart but it's not protecting her neck either.
Congrats on the twins, Tosh!
I never realized how much movement they're actually able to get throwing a softball. A fastball looking that flat, but rising sharply would be sick in baseball.
Cant throw it in baseball it’s the arm motion. Rise and drop balls are wicked. My daughter doesn’t have those two quite yet. But her fastball to change up is nasty. Just throwing the kids timing off really sets hitters behind. She doesn’t even throw more than 40 mph but kids used to seeing 50 and 60’s they are done. Cant do anything with them. Grounders and lazy pop ups.
A softball pitcher can throw just as many movement pitches as a MLB pitcher. Drop ball, rise, curve, screw, drop ball, drop curves, knuckleball. It's just insane. Now with that being said not all pitchers throw all these pitches obviously, they may keep it to four pitches.
@@urcookin there is one pitcher in baseball that can throw a riser technically, Tyler Rodgers.
This just shows how sick softball is and how entertaining it is. Wish there was pro league for it, way more entertaining than baseball! Hope is dope!
There is au pro softball and they’ve been playing since 2020
@@StretchedTendies never even knew that, needs to be bigger cause it's awesome
There’s AU Softball, but there is also Women’s Pro Fastpitch (WPF), which is the league that Hope is a part of!
@@WatchMomentum wow, I've been under a rock lol glad to hear it! Thank you guys🤘🏼🤘🏼 love the channel
@@Stoche69WPF is founded by former OU great, Lauren Chamberlain.❤
We did this back in the day (mid '80s) with our company beer league co-ed team. One of our players was a D1 softball pitcher in the early 80's at South Carolina. I got lucky because I played men's fastpitch a few years earlier. Seeing that pill coming at you from 40 feet is disturbing if you've been a baseball player!
Glad to see my Sooner goin beast mode on the baseball boys! Boomer!
What I find interesting in this matchup every time is how people react to certain things. The main difference for baseball batters is that we're looking for the action of throwing over arm, not under. I think this is the hardest step one for any baseball batter. I'm just saying but making a switch from over arm to under is like flipping a coin, which side are you going to force your brain to react too. Awesome video, loved it!
@@subwoofa9313 it's as much about not being able to pick up the spin and spin rate as anything else.
When I saw that prime Pujols couldn't hit Jenny Finch, I knew it was impossible.
Anyone in SoCal, there's a men's fastpitch league in Burbank that is just dying and we need current/ex baseball players who are into the challenge! We also need people interested in learning how to pitch, and got several great pitchers who are willing to teach!
Ya I remember Barry bonds proving the exact opposite of this. He hit every pitch against at the time thebest
But he’s an amazing mlb player these are just a few people that hit in the mlb a few times
I got all of versions/parallels of almost every rookie card of Sam Huff! Rooting for you man!
I remember when Barry Bonds faced Jennie Finch and pretty much put on a show. She was a top softball pitcher during that time.
Bonds took the bitch way out. He was so insecure about getting out he refused to actually swing, he basically bunted….which I could have done
I would do anything to be able to play again..I had an ulnar nerve transposition my senior season and the Dr. caused nerve damage and chronic pain. I’ve had three surgeries on my elbow now and my nerve moved three times. I played my entire life year round won 6 state championships, a World Series, countless tournaments and I was going to play college ball and had a Braves scouting coach looking at my twin brother and I to play. I’m only 24 now it really sucks not being able to play anymore, I’d do anything to get on the field again.
Eric is the best hypeman behind the plate, but hope is ridiculous lmao
If this was actually harder than baseball you wouldn't see some college players batting .500 plus..
Holy shit Frazier has huge fucking quads
These guys are Major Leaguers? You think she's fast - you never saw Eddie Feigner strike out, in order: Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente, Brooks Robinson, Willie McCovery, Maury Wills and Harmon Killebrew
A tad misleading. These guys have 10 MLB at-bats between the 3 of them.
How many do you have?
Awesome video, but my biggest pet peeve as a former catcher is when catcher expose their throwing hand instead of tucking it behind their leg or behind their back. A fast foul ball to the hand could definitely get you hurt :/
id like to see you guys get a male fastpitch pitcher out there. they throw over 80mph
Y’all need to face Kathryn Sandercock from Florida State that would be fun. :)
Go Noles
In highschool my baseball team played against the softball team. They were talking smack all year. We had one guy that could fire it underhand. They'd never seen that speed before. We crushed them. Both teams were state qualifiers.
That was awesome. That low angle is so hard to pickup when you’re used to seeing it come from the top. She rocked it!!
Back in the early 1980s, my JC had a Softball pitcher named Dana Tanaka. She went to San Diego Stadium and struck-out a few of the San Diego Padres in an exhibition matchup.
It’s funny because as a pitcher, the ones she was saying “no that’s a ball, no that’s a strike…” it’s true. I don’t know how it is in baseball, but in softball, even if it’s a strike according to that machine, if it’s too low, painting the corner, it’d be called a ball 9/10. A pitch 3 inches off the plate, waist high, that’d be a strike 9/10…ESPECIALLY if you have 2 strikes already lol.
So you're saying softball umps are shitty. Got it.
@@frocat5163 yeah, pretty much.
We had a couple of pitchers in our fastball league a few years ago that were clocked at 103 mph. Needless to say scores were pretty low against them.
These boys would have a coronary, if they had to face up, to a national men's pitcher.
That rise ball is no joke!! 😮💨
The softball mound is something like 45 feet so the relative speed of the pitches are low to mid 90’s fastballs. The angle the ball is approaching at is completely different but the movement is less extreme.
I admire my 13 year old daughter. She plays rec baseball and she only girl in the league. The boys respect her and she holds her own. She also plays softball for middle school and she dominates. I struggle to hit the fast pitch softballs. Not gonna lie. She does great in both
Love the content with Hope!
Absolutely. Back the pitchers mound up to major leagues mound and then see what happens
Then it wouldn’t be softball anymore, it would be baseball. They aren’t the same game, and this woman is very good at what she does. Of course the men are going to struggle a bit with something that’s very different from what they’ve seen all their lives that doesn’t mean anything other than it’s different - why do you need to try to diminish her talent?
I’m enjoying this being a former catcher for two excellent pitchers.
First time i played fast pitch watched a fastball go bye and then i thought i had the timing and then they threw a change up screwed me into the ground so as a guy with speed i laid down a bunt down third base line for a base hit it tough from that close you have to practice a lot to get timing you can't just step in there .
Hope is no joke!! She was a BEAST in college...she threw the 1st perfect game in ncaa D1 history!!!....and every out, was a strike out!!!!💯🤙🏽
Baseball players struggle against softball pitchers is mainnly the angle of the ball flight is different. The key to hitting is to get the bat on the same plane as the ball. The plane for a baseball pitch is around 30 degrees from horizontal. The plane for a softball pitch is around 15 degrees. If you let a good baseball player have more than 10 pitches, they will adjust and start nailing the ball.