TF2’s Early Balancing Was Kinda Weird
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2019
- Why was TF2's early balancing so weird? Why did they do certain things? Why are you asking me? I don't know!
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Valve in later years: just rework it
Valve in early years: *NO RANDOM C R I T S*
*just rework it... 2 years later
2019 Valve: What the hell is an update?
Correction, the general guiding philosophy behind changing the statistics of items in the game In recent years has been "nerf the shit out of it".
Sulphurous
Baby Face's Blaster:
Run slower
Gain a small speed boost reward for getting hits
Instantly lose boost every 0.5 seconds
Good to see some nerf salt in the comments
Never forget the original Rocket and Sticky Jumper. Dropped you to 100 max health, but you were immune to your own explosive damage. Soldiers and Demos could speed cap intel. Meme strats were to just run around with the Equalizer and Caber and delete enemies.
Those were the days when Caber was a busted melee. Already at 10 health, and 2 people are chasing you? Let them chase you in to a corner, and hit the floor to kill them together with you!
I had so much fun using the Caber with the Sticky Jumper. Good times.
I remember when the Sticky Jumper had 8 max stickies and you could launch yourself so far across the map.
BUT THEY DID DAMAGE TO ENEMIES WHAT!?
Nah. You just wouldn't take damage from the caber's explosion, or die from the equalizer's taunt kill. You could run the sticky jumper and caber on a demo and delete every class in the game, except for heavies, by flying at them going mach 10. If nothing turned to look at you, you could usually get out too.
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Valve's old philosophy: release a new weapon first, fix/nerf it 9 months later.
Valve's new philosophy: nerf all weapons that are already bad, buff a weapon that doesn't need a buff and only release new weapons every 9 years.
What is up with the Shortstop??
@@AGrayPhantom I think it's supposed to keep away enemies in the case they get closer to you than you'd like, problem is you can't use it while reloading, (lol nice one valve) making it feel extremely bad to use.
@@computo2000
Right? If they're close then I'm gonna shoot them, or I'll run away (because I'm the fastest class).
And just leave some of the weapons that need a buff just unchanged
Valves New Philosophy: ...........
Woah, I just learned that the description of the Dragon's Fury has its own table of contents.
???
Sneaky Baguette LOL “new weapons for heavy”
Yes, I recently watched a commentary to that table!
@@Marzsala It is a joke, a reference to how very long the item description for the dragons fury is.
Jamie Lynch we need a strange version of it so i can put a shit ton of strange parts on it and make it super long
"It's not like you can just run at a sentry swinging your melee"
*ARE YOU CHALLENGING ME*
*laughs in sketchek*
Insert image of the Fists of Steel here
*Are you challenging me, Master Jedi?
Sentry: Oh? you're approaching me? Instead of running away, you're coming right to me?
Bendigo: I can't beat the shit out of you without getting closer.
Sentry: Oh ho! Then come as close as you like.
LET US BEGIN
2:10
Many people don't know this, but the map Egypt was added to the game as a tribute to the first Egyptian settlement which were the friendly neighbors of Valve HQ
Wait that code wasn't a joke?
Fiji Sharbrough it wasn’t my friend
@Martin Luther would indentured servants be better?
The people who built the pyramids were skilled workers mong. They were given food and pay and even in some instances the ability to be buried near the tomb. So don't compare the poor slaves of Valve to those chad men.
@@fijisharbrough no it wasn't a joke
Don't forget there used to be a time an Engineer could not pick up his buildings after being placed. Once built his choices are to either stay where he is and hope for the best or destroying his buildings so he could rebuild them somewhere else. This was finally changed during the Engineer update in 2010.
This was residual from TFC. You couldn't pick up your buildings then, either.
Did you forget the Destruction module thingy?
@@Bruhmomentos0979 you can destroy your buildings in TFC fine, but you lose sentry gun Upgrades if you do. The dispenser can also give only ammo and both the dispenser and teleporter cannot be upgraded.
@@somemadman262 fair
“I’m not movin this”
The "actual image of tf2s code" joke really hits hard today lmao
You mean the Source Code leak?
@@trekkergek5865 I think they meant the messy, incomprehensible, and overcomplicated code that source games use. It is otherwise known as "Source spaghetti"
Fun fact: Did you know that the Degreaser holster speed stacks with the reworked Panic Attack? It's a near instant switch
Huh, I just thought I was having a split second Lag spike. I did not know that, thank you for sharing.
NP it's really good for shotgun combos
*M A I L M A N*
I swear I heard those exact words in a tf2uber video but the exact one doesn't come to mind
@@boomeronet7888 it was lazypurple who said that in his how it feels to play pyro video i think
Hey! My brother and his family are going to be visiting from Japan for most of August so I'm not sure if I'm going to have much time to put out a new video next month. But the next one will be a TF2 History video! So look for that in like a month.
BeWare of the WEEBs!
If you own a cat don't bring it
GASP! A tf2 history video? Tell me I’m not dreaming
You could force your brother to Do some shit. E.g. Guess that classes/character's name.
Maybe weak content but he might be up for it.
Otherwise have fun man.
didnt you go to japan 2 years ago at the same time as well?
They say he's still reading the Dragon's Fury's description...
Hi -Cacuwin-
-Kakuin-
-Kakyuin-
-Cacuin-
-Kackyouin-
*Fuck*
@@sanctifiedsuccubus2562 Kakyoin
Cocaine
Same
Biggest nerf in tf2 history has to be the economy
It wasnt a nerf, it was an update. A communism update.
The heavy
loss update
Nothing of value was lost
chuckle
*GOOD*
imagine balancing things in tf2 in 2019
captain cronch imagine updating tf2 in 2019
imagine being me and making ideas to improve on the game, from 2013 to now.
Imagine crashing the market in 2019, oh wait...
@Quake that is what happens when you have a flat company structure and "work on what you want policy" instead of a decent structure and at least a modification of Valve's policy like "work on what you want, but also on what we need people on" sort of rule.
HiGPS
3:47
Honestly, giving Engie the ability to upgrade teles and dispensers, and later on adding the ability to move sentries and other buildings on the Engie update. Was a fairly more significant change.
It's the first instance I can think of when people started quitting the game in large amounts, thinking it was starting to get too messy because of the latter. Airblast just made a few people mad because they went from easily negating Pyro to easily being negated by Pyros if they were not careful enough.
i agree, airblast takes 2nd place to upgrade, even if only by a hair
'NOOOOOOOOOO! YOU CAN'T MOVE EASILY LIFTABLE OBJECTS AFTER PLACING THEM!'
'haha engi goes moving out.'
@@woobgamer5210 shitty meme but yeah
@@woobgamer5210 it takes 4 men to move a level 1 sentry irl
My original Equalizer was Vintage, and then when they split it up they didn't make either of the new (crap) weapons vintage...
Damn, not even not even tossing you a normal escape plan and keeping your equaliser, RIP
Wait, they took away your vintage equalizer?
Bruh moment
This is false. When they were split up valve made sure that the new eq and ep given to people came in the original quality the original eq came in.
@@curlybrace4984 Well they did a shit job cause they missed mine
"It's not like you can just run at a sentry swinging your melee"
You can when the Engineer just redeployed their Level 3 Sentry! Good times, good times...
This video came out right after I ate breakfast
This is exactly the work of his psychic powers, or perhaps mere coincidence.
The world shall never know
Noice
woah
I watched this before breakfast. Am I going to die?
*A F T E R B R E A K F A S T*
valve: fixes the equalizer
equalizer: you fool this isn't even my final form!
Valve: **sees ambassador**
*I t ' s h u n t i n g s e a s o n*
@@SentryWill *It's nerfing season
That things needs a slower deploy speed, and making the MFD disappear as soon as you change weapons
*Economy breaks and Ricardo Milos is now a hat*
After Breakfast: Fun fact, early balancing was weird duuuuuude.
Fun? Not mildly interesting? Are we talking about the same After Breakfast here?
@@Captain_Carrot I mean it's all already covered I doubt we need more videos on the same thing
Good
I swear everyone calls me Ricardo Milos when I kill them with a shovel, killbind and type assassination into the chat
Nowadays, balancing is weird because there is none
The main character dies on paragraph four of the Dragon Fury's description btw
Wow i was just getting to that part rude......
SPOILERS
"the early ambassador required accuracy"
*remembers spies shooting the space NEAR an enemy's head and minicritting them while also hitting anyone behind them*
*Remembers that the cooldown effect actually didnt prevent headshots from occuring, and you could out DPS any class at point blank range, AND IT SHOT THROUGH SENTRIES FOR SOME REASON WHEN IT WOULD HEADSHOT*
So basically before, it gave you more reward for a broken headshot hitbox but now they changed it so it gave less reward for an actually fixed hitbox? Ok valve
"Ehh, just add +20% something and -20% something, that will make it balanced!"
To be fair I witnessed a Darwin sniper take down three pyros single handedly in the distance once
Imposibru....the crit god
I'm just constantly using the Darwin because I tend to snipe in the front lines and pyros just get in the way. Helps me get more picks.
Darwin is now godlike on Huntsman Snipers. 90% of the time if any Pyro comes at you expecting a braindead win, you can and WILL kill them with nothing but melee, even if it doesnt crit. It's awesome for a sub-class always on the front lines.
Other details about the original release Ambassador:
- Every shot had the potential to mini-crit if it hit the head, not just the first "Accurate" one. This made, say, aiming for the torso of a target after the first shot and hoping bullet spread made the less accurate ones 'Headshot' a viable strategy.
- The Ambassador's shots were compared against the hurtboxes meant for projectile weapons, instead of the ones meant for hitscan ones. As the projectile hurtboxes are intentionally larger due to projectiles being less precise, the Ambassador only had to shoot vaguely near an opponent to score a hit.
- The Ambassador could shoot through startup gates.
Your name is after breakfast but I'm a devious little person so I watch you BEFORE BREAKFAST
Your profile pic makes that comment even better
Absolute *mad lad*
What if I never eat breakfast in the first place? There **IS** no after
@@PoutyBun yes
What about *DURING BREAKFAST?*
to be honest i missed the days when everything DIDN'T mark you for death upon equipping it
I’m glad we don’t live in a world where the Degreaser and Axtinguisher was a completely busted combo back in the day
Dude you are everywhere
@Daniel von Strangle wow how original of you to say that
@Daniel von Strangle All his comments are relatively original and ur just salty
I agree and disagree. If we had the old Degreaser with the current day Axtinguisher, I think we'd strike a nice balance, or the new Degreaser with the *old* Axtinguisher.
@@JagEterCoola yeah... I didnt play the game before Blue Moon update, but 65% universal switch speed sounds fucking awesome! Count me in!
To be honest, I kind of wish we'd get some more simple weapons. I'm fine with weapons that have gimmicks or change the way the class is played, but not every new weapon needs to do it.
Guess it's just a change in the game and game design in general. Feel the same way about stuff like Smash Bros characters.
Instead of adding new simple weapons it would be better to rework/buff old weapons, since it would end up feeling the same. Thats why new weapons should be way more unique, since they arent going to be adding too many, may as well add something original (or a meme like the hot hand)
Genuinely surprised that no mention was made of how Soldier and Demoman had 6 shots in their primary weapons instead of 4 at launch, and their spare ammo count was nearly twice as high.
Oh sure, it doesn't SOUND much worse, but have you ever been on offense on the last (or even second) stage of Dustbowl and your entire team's being completely walled by a few RED Demomen and/or Soldiers? Imagine them being able to shoot you twice as much! And for extra added fun, there was no way to repel explosives back then! Chargin' Targe didn't exist yet. Fists of Steel didn't exist yet. Vaccinator didn't exist yet. Dead Ringer didn't exist yet. Bonk Atomic Punch didn't exist yet. Even airblast didn't exist yet.
And bear in mind that there were only 6 maps back then, and 1 of them was Hydro. So Dustbowl was about 40% of all games.
Hope you enjoy being trapped in spawn 2 out of every 5 games!
What if we fight back with an army of BLU Demomen and Soldiers?
@@acegamerultragamer1532 Even then, you needed Ubers and a level playing field to have a chance of breaking through all the spam AND the Sentries sitting around every corner. Neither of those things is a guarantee; the second stage of Dustbowl is notorious becaus some asshole designed it so BLU has to go through what's basically a door inside of low-ceiling mine in order to get to the control point. You could be a RED Soldier and be legally blind and still rack up kill after kill just from dumping rockets into the trench and then ducking back behind the edge of the roof or inside the CP building and grabbing the health and ammo in both places.
Only Demoman had 6 shots in a clip and only on consoles. Stop this spreading this misinformation, people.
Reserve ammo *was* higher until January 2008, though.
@@NicknineTheEagle Is that why the Grenade Launcher has a 6-round chamber?
@@DaRkLoRdZoRc It is. On PC, the clip size was changed before public beta but Valve never bothered to update the model.
I remember when literally every weapon wasn’t nerfed into hell and using weapons other than stock was actually fun.
Git gud
IvanY YvanI No u
things have changed
the rescue ranger would like to have a word with you
Have you met my friend The Tomislav?
Spoiler Alert: The Dragon's Fury awards consecutive hits with faster reloads and bonus damage
Saitama-pyro:
*Consecutive normal Dragon's fury punches*
*the dragon's fury is a series of consecutive shits*
That was so funny and op i literally wiped the floor with the enemy team
If used correctly, it works effectively as stock but ever so slightly different. But at that point why not *use stock like what?*
@@toxic_shr00m Because WM1ing is bad for Quick Burst damage ?
Being early to After Breakfast is kinda weird
Before Breakfast
During Breakfast
i got this video at 1:00pm
still haven't had breakfast get rekt
12:00pm
1 step ahead of you
You are chaos
Introducing the Fairandbalanced-inator!
-Critically hits on every shot.
-No random critical hits.
Remember when the Soda Popper used to do mini crits instead of jumping a lot?
good days
I’m waiting for all the comments about watching this before breakfast
I think those op buffs was actually fun, i remember playing the crocodile kit and my mate was furious because he couldnt head shot me xD
The day 1 Cow Mangler was hilarious! There was a glitch where you could kill your own teammates! It also was a direct upgrade to the stock because it had 5 shot with no random crits being the only penalty.
The first stats of the Sandman was so painful... No double jumping...
Its like... you highlighting all of these old weapons being added really just highlights how depressing TF2 is today.
the problem that I see in the whole TF2 weapon choise is 1:
every single weapon is either a trick one, or a "only the stats are different".
on one side, there are the medigune, the bleutsauger, the jarate, the lucksman and so on
on the other, pretty much every single minigun, the winger and so on;
as I see it, their sniper rifle are the only ones that reached the middleground: they are all just that, a point&shoot, but all of them feels different while used (even the heatmaker)
but as a result, there are the weapons that try to be part of both category and fail, like the backscatter, the bfb, the hlheater
I'm sorry, but your English is terrible.
Administrator was legit about to say the exact same thing it almost gave me aids reading it
2:12 And that’s how the source code was leaked
The balancing has always been weird. They just went from a period of poor balancing that was focused more on power than balance, followed by a few years of decent balancing that still didn't affect the things that needed a proper tweaking, concluding with the current state of balancing where the quality is once again crap but now everything gets to suffer for it.
You forgot how early on Sandman's downside also used to be that the bat deals 50% less to non-stunned targets, this was removed like 1 day after the weapon came out.
And around a half month later they instead made it so you take 50% less damage while stunned
6:00 Fun fact about the ambassador and why it got a "nerf" the after the first few days as well. it minicrited, yeah, but the accuracy penalty didn't prevent these from happening. The other detail was that the shot came from the tip of the model, the same model that is so large that goes through walls. Which meant you could walk up to the doors before a game started and headshot everyone you saw or use a window to shoot from safety.
I’ve been playing TF2 since 2011. This vid was a nostalgia trip back to the original Soda Popper and Item Set Bonuses.
6:36 "Living on the Deck" - Metal Slug X, I see you are a man of culture as well.
What about the 3rd degree? It's the same as the stock axe, but has the ability to DAMAGE ANY ENEMY ATTACHED TO A HEALING BEAM.
This alone makes the stock axe pointless, and because it can random crit, medic pairs get dropped very quickly (usually because even if the crit doesn't kill the pocket, the medic dies).
It feels like such an underrated weapon since not many pyros use it. Very hilarious on MVM when you crit hit a giant bot and kill all his medics.
As for the short stop im pretty sure its so you get them at the optimum distance for the weapon itself..
What else is the reason beside pushing people off of cliffs?
But this is only a valid reason for scout v scout interactions because the scout can easily use his speed advantage to do this against other classes
It's pretty impractical tho. The delay it takes for the scout to push, the weird hitscan that rarely actually lets the shoving happen, and the too long waiting time before you can try to push or shoot again. Makes it way easier to just use the force of nature, or just stock.
@@iug5672 I didnt say it was well thought out : P
i love your personality dude, i like watching your videos just to listen to you speak
The equalizer split was early TF2? You’re making me feel old here...
I'm loving the Metal Slug music in the background. Nostalgia came back along with the talk of the weapons and their balance history.
Weirdest thing about the past TF2 was the fact that some combination of gear used to have bonuses, for example the Milkman scout: Equipping Shortstop, Milk, Holy Mackerel and Milkman's hat (no idea what it's called) gave the player +25hp bonus.
It's literally called The Milkman, or Milkman, one of the two lmao
Actually, the Ambassador began with full crits. It also had a HORRIFYING bug where it used projectile hitboxes. So imagine a hitscan weapon with no-cooldown headshots combined with the hitbox of the HUNTSMAN. It was surreal.
Even worse, the Sniper vs. Spy update originally had it so you could ONLY unlock the weapons through random drops. It was a nightmare to say the least.
Love how nobody’s sponsored by Amino anymore. Wonder what happened.
Is this sarcastic because you know how shit Amino is or are you genuinely curious
They have enough users
Deadpan #0097 I know it’s shit, but I’m genuinely curious.
@@purplehaze2358 I'd say it's because of Amino's downhill slope and the fact most users have just...grown up and left. Yeah,it's still active,but a lot of people have realised "wow,this sucks"
Deadpan #0097 Wouldn’t that just give Amino more insensitive to pay people to shill for them? Raid is a game that absolutely nobody would play if it weren’t shoved down people’s throats, so they also get sponsorships everywhere.
Just here to say that the Ubersaw was a mistake and is a balance nightmare.
Only 2x crit damage for it would be nice instead of 3x
The Ubersaw creates an illusion that it crits more than other melees simply because nobody uses anything else.
@@beanking3426 Don't you have a higher crit rate with more uber, thus causing you to have a higher crit rate with the ubersaw not because of its own stats but because of it giving you uber after each hit?
@@voxpattamkinpsalmvalkidts2543 No, they don't. Medic doesn't get extra crit chance from patient's damage, it's a myth.
@@NicknineTheEagle yes they do
i really hate how there’s only a few different weapons you can use viably, every class is essentially “just use stock and then this one weapon” puff and sting pyro was cool and viable, but you could still do just as good with stock
Scouts weapons, stock gun, milk, atomizer, soldiers weapons, direct hit/stock/black box, any banner, whip/escape plan, pyro's weapons, stock/degreaser... that's it, you just hold W and mouse 1 and that's how you win pyro, no need for any other weapons
Demos weapons, demonkight build or iron bomber/crutch n load, any sticky bomb launcher other than jumper for sticky spam, any melee weapon, Heavy, tomislav, sandvich, KGB or Holiday Punch, engineer? widowmaker, pistol, jag.
medic, crossbow, stock/kritz/vax, ubersaw (no other melees exist), sniper, any rifle, piss, bushwacka,
spy? diamondback, stock, any knife.
@@woobgamer5210 spycyicle for spys knife
I just want the OG sandman back
You're getting a like simply based on that sweet, sweet Metal Slug music. But fun video! Always great to look back at the early years of TF2.
Latest update nerfed gen 1-3 unusuals.
1:18 the Shortstop's healing bonus was too OP heck i lived a lot longer thanks to that.
But since the Shortstop's only interesting bonus was the healing bonus so they probably added the shove so the Shortstop has a bonus
And since you have to get right up in someone's face to push them it's not worth having, if you want to push people go and play pyro, scorch and all his primaries except phlog let you push people around much more easily than scoot
Say bonus one more time and something ends with me. I won't tell you what, but I will cease something's existence.
@@boomeronet7888 The pushing is too keep the enemies away from you so you'd be at the optimal range with the short stop
@@toxic_shr00m Bonus
@@MrDuck-po3wy I know, but with most of the classes apart from support you'd be better off keeping a bit of distance from them since other scouts do more damage up close, soldiers can just blow you up, pyros I don't need to explain, demo would probably kill both of you, heavy is similar to pyro and engineer has a shotgun
Last time i played TF2 was when Meet the Pyro came out. Idk why this was recommended to me...
Buffs
Heater(heavy)
Add stat,
-on kill, user receives 35 ammo for the primary
This would negate the more ammo used if you are constantly killing
Volcano fragment
Make the 75% damage nerf to 45% and make crit on burn
Hot hand
Just add
-on hit, enemies are set on fire
Or
-teammates hit gain a speed boost
Baby face’s blaster
Rework the system
-on kill, your speed increases
-double jumping disables additional speed for 3 seconds before going back to normal
Starting speed before kill is -15%
Short circuit
Make the primary fire the old secondary fire
This was a long comment. Good Job! Your work here is appreciated!
You already get free ammo after you kill someone tho, and there are also like, dispensers....
The other changes are pretty alright tho, keep it up
After breakfast what is the name of your outro? I love the song and I cant remember the name.
Man i miss old equalizer
I think HIGPS has better balances than Valve. More frequent, too
Doing anything more frequently than valve is not much of a challenge
If only I knew what this acronym meant
@@bobbyferg9173 heavy is gps
@@bobbyferg9173 He's another TF2uber
@@bobbyferg9173 Heavy is General Problem Solver.
A lot of earlier weapons seemed to really only be balanced on paper.
One time in a blog post they mentioned they tried to make either a rocket or sticky launcher that yielded a single large blast at the cost of being a mag size of 1. Technically balanced on paper, but in gameplay it would have been a nightmare.
The original equalizer was supposedly balanced by the full hp damage penalty, but in reality it was designed without thinking about gameplay and was super overpowered. Soldiers do not enter fights with full hp and a drawn melee. They enter with full hp and a full rocket launcher. If you have a respectable amount of hp, you keep rocketing even if you have a chance to 1-shot every class after considering crits. The only context you really use your shovel is when you are out of ammo at the end of the fight and close enough to try melee. In the context where soldier actually uses melee, the equalizer gives increased move speed to either close for an attack or flee and gives increased melee damage.
Drawing board balancing is where a lot of +- stats come from, and they tried to address the issue with the beta.
I can hear Metal Slug music in the background. Respect
Weird to see so many updates in a single year vs. now... it’s been like a year since the last big update
Well, team size decreased...
I like to think of the Dragon's Fury as if it has 2 airblast modes:
Normal Flamethrower can airblast every 0.8 seconds. Dragon's Fury can airblast every 1.6 seconds. So far so simple, and that takes care of its downside.
Dragon's Fury also uses the 0.8 second airblast timer for its fireballs. And if a fireball hits someone, that fireball-airblast timer is set to 0.53 seconds instead
Darwin's Danger Shield could've still remained good if they just swapped the vulnerabilities. Maybe make you stronger against explosions along with the increased health while either making you weaker to fire or bullets.
The Darwin’s is only ever used to counter those jet pack pyros on 2fort
Lmao that's me
Strike from the sky, brothers!
How about Scorch Shot spam?
Edgiel nah you can use jarate for that, the jet pack pyros are literally Satan until I equip it
Kinda wish they added more weapons again like 2011-2014 was the best years of tf2
Yeah sure, add more weapons to make balancing even more complicated.
Start by fixing the awful weapons we already have
@@fattburger6801 bruh the weapons weren't awful before they got patched hell half of them weren't meta but got nerfed for no reason y'all remember bison and scotch shot
Garret Woeller
Lots of weapons were OP at one point but were then nerfed into the ground. (baby face’s blaster, dead ringer, sandman, caber, tide turner, loch n load, just to name a few).
So i get how it was necessary to nerf these OP weapons but they always ruin the weapon in the process.
Even so they nerfed the bison for no reason, that was dumb.
And btw the scorch shot got buffed in Gun Mettle to be really good and indirectly buffed in Jungle Inferno.
@@fattburger6801 oh really it was huh welp my point being is the guns should be good period let the competitive scene be damned and besides if we have the BFB in the middle of what it was and what it is now shit would be fine the over board nature of the balance team is making shit rough
Leaked info: valve gonna release a major update when u finish reading the dragon fury's description
I think I played tf2 about 300 hours/year from 2008-2011 or so, and maybe 10 hours per year after. I still haven't adjusted to many changes that are almost a decade old
I think the Medic's update was plan before hand, just as you speculated about the Pyro's, on the note of imminent disaster. Like, maybe every player would hate playing Medic since ,and I might be wrong here, TF2 was the first FPS game to implement someone that ONLY healed, hell, even RPG healer characters do more shit than just heal in some games.
So they couldn't know for sure that there would be a dedicated playerbase that would actually enjoy the experience, outside of Beta testers which could represent a minority.
I feel this is also why they needed Random Crits to improve pacing longside Uber, not because they felt necessary the addition of another mechanic to support pushes, but because there was a possibility that they had just relied a major gameplay point on something people would end up never using (Medics).
Also Classic and Quake TF 's Medic were pretty much a better version of TF2's Scout. So there was room for these sort of thoughts.
So the Medic update was just straight up make Medic more aggressive. But since Medic was actually well accepted in the game's release, they decided to just make the new weapons to complement the heals by adding some elements of aggressive playstyle.
The Dragons Furys description was probably somebody's thesis
Oh man, 2012 was nuts for me. I played from the beginning, but took a few year hiatus some time after the Sniper vs Spy update and HOOOOO boy was I in for a surprise in 2012 after all those new weapons came out the year before. I was completely lost.
Great video. You missed a couple doozies among these early updates though. Like how the flamethrower had all of its damage fall off removed for two weeks on the first pyro 2008 update.
I'm kind of shocked that you didn't mention the fact that at one point a number of sets were released, such as the degreaser and milkman, which required the full set including the fairly rare hat at the time to unlock the set bonus. This was bar none the most strange choice ever by Valve in my opinion and the set bonuses were not insignificant. For instance the milkman set got a bonus 25 health to scout and the croc set for sniper meant you couldn't be killed by headshots. Maybe you covered it already, but I was really disappointed to not see this at least given a nod to.
I love these kinds of videos... I find it facisnating how weapons have changed
Siberian Tigerstripe, Borscht Belt (Waterlogged Labcoat), and Nuke Heavy loadout looks pretty great! Many compliments!
Ah yes, 2011. The year of the ice sculpture heavies
Honestly I've found myself surviving way more pyro attacks with the Danger Shield than before. Like 80% of the encounters the pyro dies first
Spoilers for Dragon's Fury
It shoots a singular fireball per click
Fun fact: trying to manually shoot the dragon's fury per click works so much worse than just holding m1
@@iug5672 lol
That contract gave me an aneurysm, and I still need one more "get 5 kills in a life", since 2 of them was getting a friend to help since unless you're a god at aiming dragons fury is basically a direct downgrade to any pyro primary
Unmentioned DDS buff: you are now immune to being backburned, no matter the flamethrower.
Learned that as pyro.
Thanks for making a genuinely really cool video
Some x10 servers use the pre-Jungle Inferno DDS stats, making snipers who equip it indestructible.
And over a year later, the Persian Persuader is still a direct upgrade with no downside whatsoever if you play Demoknight.
Some people forgot about the xmas 2013 Short Circuit...
This is the first one of these videos that I've actually watched an hour after breakfast
2 years later and the video is still totally up to date.
Actually it is only a year later
Coming back to the game in 2022, I'm getting nostalgic for the old game circa 2008-2011. Sandman stuns were actually pretty fun. I really miss the old GRU that didnt have health drain. And i'll never forget when medieval mode was dominated by 30-kill Eyelander demos moving at the speed of sound. (Coincidentally, that's why The Equalizer was introduced. Instead of nerfing Eyelander demoknight, they just gave soldier an OP melee too. Hence the name "Equalizer")
Oh, and when did they remove KGB's taunt kill? I was really disappointed recently to discover that's no longer a thing.
The KGB actually never had a taunt kill.
Its possible that a community server you've played on had it as a mod of some kind though. I've played on servers that allowed the Ullapool Caber taunt to kill despite it not officially dealing damage.
@@SquimJim Could be, i'v always been a fan of the community servers, and i used to frequent one that was big into mods and custom maps. I clearly remember it being a thing though
The Danger Shield rework was meant for against Pyros who harass Snipers with flare guns, especially the ones with the worst flare gun of all, Scorch Shot.
You should show pictures of the weapons when you're talking about them, would make the flow of the video better
If you want flow, the first thing to change is the time spacing between (and sometimes in the middle of) sentences.
I loved the pre-nerf equalizer. There was nothing quite like finding you've got 10 HP left, whipping it out and doing a suicide charge at the enemy. Usually resulting in your death but every once in a while you'd just go on a berserker rampage.
Funny enough the reduced damage when at full health actually made it a terrible weapon for melee only servers, since at full health it just did a pathetic amount of damage.
I miss the Pyro Polycount set, man. It was so goooooood.
EY! That's my sniper at 5:27. I recognize that piss-colored sniper with the piss colored unusual anywhere lmao