Sifu Sergio explaining wing chun Chum Kiu differences.
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Sifu Sergio Iadarola explaining different Wing Chun Chum Kiu versions from the various lineages found in China.
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@oltifromhungary if your stuck in a box and look at it from the limited perspective of the leung ting system yes you are right.
fortunatly im aware of many more lineages outside of the leung Ting lineage so please get your mind around this motto "the mind is like a parachute it only works when its open" get out of that box
always learn with an open mind and with full sensitivity ... thanks Sifu Sergio
Do you think that the "sinking" aspect is more related to what one's defensive techniques should do to their incoming "bridge"?
I'm of Ip Ching's lineage but I personally find value in Wong Shung Leung's Chum Kiu explanations and techniques as well as a few other of Ip Man's students. Seeing so many ideas really lets us know that Wing chun is a a conceptual art that leads to many applications and not technique based limited to certain interpretations of the forms, in my opinion. great post!!
Very interesting comparisons you share! I really like your open mindedness. I know this is a lot to ask, but do you possibly have any way of referencing your findings with a demonstration partner or other youtube video? Coming from my lineage, I find some pieces of the explanation confusing. =)
This is a great video, the version I'm learning (3rd generation ip man lineage) is even more different than all the differences you showed. I really like how open minded you are and it's something to aspire to. great job!
perfect work. fully agree. just to say techniques make the form and not vice versa.
The further you go in the system, you are encouraged to think and find weaknesses, and to give back to the system. Like Sifu Sergio said, all of the different ways are right, they are just a means to emphasize a certain concept while training the form. The way I see it, it only makes sense to train with the single concept of simplicity. Focus only on structure, the center line, the four fighting principles, and the four force principles.
Sifu Sergio has been studying wing chun for over 24 years and lives in China he is one of the most respected historian and researcher in Hong Kong and knowledgable in several lineages. dear Mike please think before you speak and try to get out of that narriow box your in.we at the sifu sergio channel wish you a great day
great, sifu sergio. great attitude.
hahaha chum meaning sink and search sound exactly the same. but the chinese word used in chum kiu means to search...just thought i would like to share =)
Sergio, Still like the way you do your videos. Wish you did more of these and a lot less of the interviews. I guess i should sit down and skim through them all sometime.
Upper cut more Lueng Ting version. My lineage uses the straight punch like ip chun/chin. This is just my opinion.
if you stick to 1 lineage, you cant think/or jump outside the box. But if you look/combine too many lineage , you are also going now where . some people eat with chopstick. some with spoon and some with chopstick+spoon. But dont use spoon + hand......
@oltifromhungary A tube link about the better lineages u talk ,so i can see the diference.
It's just a normal bong, your other arm is supposed to be a wu sau. Not a lock.
Well in my lineage the uppercut of ChumKiu is not a punch, it's just and arm break and also included in the wooden dummy form. Anyway i believed that al the forms of the system can be reduced to 2 forms, the dummy form and SiuLinTao. I think that C.Kiu and biu gee borned like preeliminary excercises, and later become forms.You just need learn how to keep the structure of the SLT in the dummy form, and thats all. WC it's mostly SLT with angles an movents and the sensitivity tha came from chi sao.
Great explanation, thank you
fascinating indeed
I wish you can see my Verse., I bet my will make better sense My Friend.. Thanks for your Research
Thanks Sergio, I'm always looking for something "new" in WC. I do see the sense in arm locking for 1 to 1 fight. For 1 to many, it is dangerous to even try. Your hands are occupied with the lock. And you only have your opponent out of the fight as long you hold the lock. A lock generally doesn't do much damage, unless you follow through, and again too much time and energy wasted. That's against basic Wing Chun principles, for that reason I'm not a true believer in locks. oops no parachute lol ;)
if you r not principle driven, you fall for anything and everything, nothing to do with being "open minded" or stupid minded.
Sergio seems to think that it is possible to train different styles of ving tsun together. However, when you think about it and look really good to the different styles, you will see that they are different for a reason. The reason is that they have different interpretations about what is a good technique and what is not. The techniques differ, just as the concepts behind them. These techniques and concepts differ, contradict and can not be all true at the same time. Sergio is a relativist.
Very interesting discussion. My understanding has always been that the forms are not about techniques in the sense pretending you are fighting someone, but joint conditioning and body unity exercises. So actually it is irrelevant what 'technique' you are using. Other exercises concentrate on using your those conditioned joints for application. And the application may not look like the form except from the point of view of the body mechanics.
You are my favorite Sifu, sir.
Your humility speaks volumes about your greatness; not to mention your masterful skill of the art.
Your open-mindedness is a breath of fresh air in a martial arts world mired by petty differences.
I come from another lineage, but I really appreciate this explanation. Thanks Sifu.
@oltifromhungary again read my previous words,it shows you did not understand them.
maybe for your reality its like that(leung ting System) i know exactly what you are trying to say i was a private student of leung ting for many years
there are however many other lineages which are closer to the orgin,broaden your horizon.
take care
@oltifromhungary im not doing a tan sau :)
still stuck in the box aint you,anyway i wil not replay anymore from here on its a waste of my time and energy
wish you all the best
Wow finally a wing chun guy who thinks like I do.not caught up in lineages I totally agree keep up to good work
Did you find someone from lineage of Wong Shun Leung? For example this form: ua-cam.com/video/Zccb0Q85n94/v-deo.html.
What is your opinion?
@oltifromhungary im not doing a tan sau :)
still stuck in the box aint you,anyway i wil not replay anymore from here on its a waste of my time and energy
wish you all the best
Im not of his school, but I must say: his explanations are always very sophisticated and well formulated. He seems to have done,what he claims (meaning the research)
His note on the open mind is i.m.O. the most remarkable! I could to be seen as critic on the various XY-wingchun styles, which seem to spread faster and faster (I mean the strong hierarchic schools, were the origin is never to be questioned) and otherwise I could be a call for peace between rivals, which should be friends...
You are a good Sifu and honest man.
@StringOfMusic
Locks are meant to immobilize and take down an opponent without causing serious physical injuries. Of course you can always follow through with strikes, but the main aim is to immobilize an opponent so that he/she loses the capability to fight back until the he/she manage to escape from the lock.
here you go: /watch?v=1ckHE4X8yUk ..... that is the best chum kiu that can be found on the internet.... and another one: /watch?v=aEVzQUWJNPc .... thats the best siu lim tao there is on the internet as well
What you say makes sense, but I think the reasoning for of all the different forms is to establish a structured way to teach and learn the system. In the Siu Nim Tao, you learn the structure and the tools of the system - in essence, you learn the "alphabet." Next you add footwork and bridge seeking to make phrases with chum kiu in order to defend yourself. Next, Biu Gee teaches fluency to regain the center and break defenses by attacking. The dummy teaches recovery back into your structure.
Sifu Sergio, as far as the Chum Kiu goes do you know if there is a site from which one can learn it? It would have to be done slow enough to pick the moves up and the proper way in how to perform the move, from that person's lineage of course.
Yes Indeed - as you say , " Fascinating Stuff !" I think it`s great what you`re doing with the Wing Chun Research . It`s a fact that most WC practioners are thinking in " little bitty boxes .' Sad ,but true . Thanks again for sharing this .
Can you pretty please tell me the song that is playing in the background, Sifu?
good tips,but i got my own opinion,i believe we learn the form in a way with our own self expression and body scan with awareness.So what do you think with the opinion?
Well did you know that in Gulao (China) exist a very ancient Branch of wing chun (Older then Ip manś branch) thatś has no Forms at all? And they have a great structure, speed an techniques. They only work differents trapping exercises.
In WSl we learn that It's a pow bong, which is used as a last line of defense from an attack from the side.
Very useful video! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
Every lineage has its principle's, after researched, how you conclude? Absord the good or throw the poor, only if you test the system thru some real fights.
hi! good to hear from you again how are you doing still living in US or did you come back to China?
Who are you even talking to here
I think its great you research wc this because master Bruce Lee would have I believe all true wc lineages have something to offer there should be union not rivalry
excellent video, i love to look at things in different perspectives, i never really saw that move that way, this really opened my eyes
we think alike Sifu Sergio, I'm also open minded, and I intend to learn and use all view points to my advantage.
thanks for sharing, very interesting channel.
Curious, what would be the principle behind the double tan sau as opposed to the arm-lock that you explain so well? Re-establishment and protection of center-line during the step, perhaps? Is that important in this section? After all, in any lineage, every movement should have a principle and application attached to it. (I personally learned older, arm-lock form.)
you can still practice your siu lim tau! ..watch some vids to remind you again, and just play it! : )
So looking forward to a DVD to purchase that has more on it,... this was REALLY great,.....
Thank you for sharing such great insights Sifu Sergio!
I used to practice WT. Oh i miss it so much.
@Law Tuck Mun: if you master the principles of Wing Chun like he does, you can learn as many variations (=lineages) as you want with no ill effects.
dont be stuck in a box.....really like that :-))) ...... thank you Sifu Sergio
Great and very interesting explanation, and thank you again for sharing Sifu.
True scholar. Excellent!
ths guy is amazing, very open minded and agolden heart.
You are doing great job, open minded, generous and honest 👍
@oltifromhungary Give us a link to anderstand..
Awesome clear concise, wow ...
very good teaching
Well done and said.
Good work.