I think the NBA player would lose if the middle schoolers on his team has knifes and is trying to constantly stab him while he has to shoot a 3 pointer.
like I wonder why damn this has to be the most pointless video I have ever seen. How do Navy Seals always win when fighting against 1st graders? How do MMA fighters always win against toddlers? How do MIT students always score higher than pre schoolers? How do NFL players always win when playing the local flag football team? just so stupid
It's not as simple as that. Theres a lot you can learn from analizing challenger laning phases. Instead of answering the question of "how do challenger smurfs win" with "they are better", this shows you exactly what the guy did to gain advantages, not through crazy mechanical plays but simply game knowledge
he is challenger for a reason and there’s a clear difference as to why they’re diff ranks that’s y it’d be good to learn what challengers do that is different
You are talking about only the laning phase and the nasus, riven matchups. In low elo troubles come in the mid/late game. Everyone starts to play aram, not recalling, throwing 10k leads and they starts to forget objectives. Talking about mid or late game would help a lot more. It's only my personal opinion, tell me if im wrong. :)
Agreed. Im low diamond player and i i knew all that he said. easy for me to crush laning phase almost every game on irelia, but as you say, the decision making, team fighting macro is what makes me not have 97% winrate
the best way to secure victory with irelia is not to do trades until you are level 6 always ward because the jungler would come and always have the minion order where you fill comfortable if you do that first you will get a lot of gold second you will secure your win in the top or in the mid(i suggest playing irelia top because they are a lot of champions that play mid and counter irelia pretty bad so try to use different runes).In addition try to use combos like dasq with q while pressing e so the enemy can't see the e because they will be distracted be the q, then do second e r w q and you will have the 4th stack that will do addiotional damage depends the items you have bought.
@@farima4_legacy If a chall is smurfing in pisslow d3, especially as irelia it's not jg diff, but jg mid and bot diff. Keep in mind that irelia is a champion that can easily 1v3 if she has hard gapped lane and they don't have infinite cc
Also a quick tip is that if havent seen the enemy jungler in a while and its not a farm jungler like yi or evelyn play safe and if you have a dash that is on a long cd like camille e or shen e dont trade with it in case you get ganked.And if you dont have a ward just assume that you are getting ganked.(if you are lower ello the ganks are alot more obvious because the enemy starts to play super aggro all of the sudden but as you get to higher ranks alot of players play passive on purpouse so you dont expect the gank)
The nasus is pretty bad for that elo. Like he has never faced an irelia in his life, playing that forward is just stupid. Literally all he needs to do is chill farm under tower until level 6 and bramble vest then he just destroys her 1v1. Smh
@@tsukikun440 He's actually a pretty disgusting champion as long as he plays the lane phase perfectly, smacking things with a no cooldown Q that does 30-40% hp in dmg is no joke
My biggest struggle is getting bullied and dived by bruisers or some ADCs / Mid laners. What do you do? Sit on tower and lose CS? Catch 22. I end up diving. Then dying trying to get my monies. Lol
I always seem to struggle with mana in the early levels with irelia. This player seems to be using her Q just as much as I do but their mana seems for the most part pretty stable :/ is it a rune difference? I know shes not using presence of mind because I can see triumph healing her after kills soooo hmmm
4:59 Irelia waited not because she don't want her dmg to be blocked but rather to use her last Q to close the gap between them when riven uses her dash to get away or flash. Simply, Irelia use her Q to gap close.
7:45 it's funny you point mistakes in Irelia's decision making however I am pretty sure Nasus had miserable stacks and CSing... Showing the wave would give him free gold after all!
That account Madison Reckless on EUW that Irelia is playing on is obviously getting boosted. It's not a smurf. Scroll down to his Nocturne & Warwick games. The key he have flash on have swapped.
Challenger players who smurf usually end up with like 70% winrates maximum. They also end up in diamond/masters tier games within their first 50 games. It is literally impossible to win 97% of your games with a balanced champion because of the other four numbskulls on your team. This champion is legitimately busted right now when you consider her damage and sustain with two items.
ok, but if enemies' jg is camping top with enemies' mid and supp (this happens like in 80% of all my games) how am i supposed to win i can NOT LOSE the lane but i really cant win the lane and snowball in this case i just cant play the game and my team DOESNT WANT to do smth useful while the enemy team is wasting time trying to kill me
Irelia never pushes wave level one because she sucks at trading when the minions are near turret, Lee is definitely part of that. He's not trading with riven because even if he wins trade, he'll be pushing wave by taking caster agro. If his lane is pushed at all then Lee Sin has an easy gank, it's not about hp, it's about wave management. 6:20 the auto isn't random it's for maintaining her stacks/pressure You should really consider including items and gold so you can see why she's backing when she does to keep tempo instead of freezing.
This was very nice, but me a gold irelia already do all these things perfectly, the thing i struggle with is past laning phase :() please some help on that regard
Look at vods of past games to see where you are making mistakes and all around just try not to waste time (try to get farm from wherever you can and don't just go to a lane without a purpouse) if you have tp and drake is up go top and the other way around if there is baron go bot, get camps from the enemy junlge if you are ahead and from yours if your junlger is far away. You need to be fighting ONLY when there is an objective that you can do after you win a fight and the only time you should go fight for no reason is if you got a pick or your team is ALOT stronger than the enemy and there is no way to lose the fight.
and to add one thing as an dia irelia main, you should never engage first in fights as her. wait till enemy uses all of their cc and then jump in and win your team every fight ( if ur ahead every game as you say)
The same things would be possible if a bronze player knew these tips and how to execute, or practiced these concepts of only trading smartly and re-engaging if you have a level up. The riven was a riven main playing almost perfectly.
how does he have a clear advantage? just because he is challenger doesnt mean he gets extra gold at the start of a game. The point is that she is much more skillfull than the players she plays against here, and the video wants to show why that is and what she does better.
@@nickeastmusic9930 Someone who's been playing the game for years can easily stomp new players? Gee, what a surprise! Better call the scientists to study this strange phenomenon. The community obsession with smurfing is honestly cringeworthy and another example of why league is the most toxic game ever. In other games, it would be considered pretty pathetic to go around queuing against noobs just to inflate your own ego. In League, there's channels of "experts" based entirely around it.
@@CosmicAeon the video is not about that a better player CAN win vs a worse player but instead HOW he does it, which can be valuable information for players that are stuck at that elo. I remember picking up a lot of information and i improved by watching unranked to diamond series, as i could see what the smurf does differently and how he gets ahead in the elo that im stuck in. This is not league specific, but also chess players have been doing this for years helping people at the specific rating level improve.
@@CosmicAeon This term of smurf is kinda not getting his right sense by some people. If Im diamond and I make a fresh account because my main is having bad times with the MMR and climbing on that is pretty shit , doesnt mean that Im growing up my ego or something , I just grind on that account👍. Some people , you by what you just said clearly you judge incorrect. Im not saying that all people do the same thing, but think more before you type something, you put majority of players in the same situation.
Man, I'm having a constant "Yes! Thank you!" kind of reaction. I'd love to play jungle, but I'd really like the toplaners to understand these basics first. "He doesn't auto the wave like on acid" Thank you!
Challenger smurf playing in diamond is literally 3 full tiers below them. Challenger>grand master>master>diamond. It’s like me a plat smurf in bronze. It’s laughable to think this is even a fair match up.
Good video, fxck smurfs and boosters tho. They are in way too many games these like 70-80% WR accounts and they continue to pop up. Riot has to finally adress this booster/smurf issue, its insane how many games they destroy...
there is a smurf q which already fixed the problem, if ur gold 4 u wont match someone being gold 4 80%wr because he would be playing in smurfq. thats just a fact
but what if youre playing this good but your team just feeds and you end up with 2 enemies as fed as you and they are apparently as good in macro too but youre the only one in your team that is fed and good in macro? and it happens in all your games? how do you climb out of that?
Honestly, good luck carrying my botlane, after I am winning lane against permanently 1v2 jungle camp. While in the meantime my team loses drake, and goes 2-15 (eventho they play 4v3). After that they ragequit (1 or 2 of them). Yeah good luck carrying that.
hey i would like to point out to anyone watching this. This irelia isn't doing anything in the mechanics department this is all wave mangagement and playing off the mistakes that people made
I win early game in 80 % of my games - (laning phase) - 10 % i go even (farm lanes) - 10 % i get fucked when the jungler sits and dives me. So - I know the basics of wave management etc. I would love a guide on how to utilize my lead the best possible way. Now lets say this Irelia player was me (because in the early game it could be) - the Riven would most likely start playing from under her turret. What is the correct play here? Would I shove the wave and roam mid/jungle for a play, would I keep her shoved under her turret (which i, unfortunately, often do and get buttfucked later in the game from ganks where I position poorly) Basically what I am asking is how do you end a game after 15 minutes? After you have acquired a huge advantage on your own lane (which this irelia presumable does in 94 % of her games....) - I always find it super difficult to find closure and actually end the game if my team doesnt go for the objectives I would try for. (and I know its not my teams fault its most likely my own).
there's one phrase in this video that that made me lose faith in this whole channel: "This irelia waits until riven's shield is gone before bladesurging". They're trying to imply that she saves her q for when riven's shield is gone which makes no sense because she's autoing and about to destroy it anyway. what kind of redundancy is this?? she only waits so she can Q after riven is out of her auto attack range.
What if that was a morde? An olaf? Trundle? Vayne? Quin? This is a very bad show of this "97%" win rate when you only show 2 champs that are weak (riven needs buffs) and weaker early game (nasus) like I said what if that was a morde? Their passive and w would out sustain and at level 6 they steal your stats (even your passives attack speed can be stolen) or an olaf who can shred you early game? Or even if it was a tank like sion? They could just int and still be up to level late game. Or even ornn who can just play safe until ganks. What if ANYONE just freezes the wave in front of their tower just pushing you back due to the threat of a gank? I may not be high elo but this is just crap
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"How do challenger smurfs 1v5 in lower ELO's?"
"How do NBA players always win when playing against Middle Schoolers?"
I think the NBA player would lose if the middle schoolers on his team has knifes and is trying to constantly stab him while he has to shoot a 3 pointer.
like I wonder why damn this has to be the most pointless video I have ever seen.
How do Navy Seals always win when fighting against 1st graders?
How do MMA fighters always win against toddlers?
How do MIT students always score higher than pre schoolers?
How do NFL players always win when playing the local flag football team?
just so stupid
LMAOOOOOO
It's not as simple as that. Theres a lot you can learn from analizing challenger laning phases. Instead of answering the question of "how do challenger smurfs win" with "they are better", this shows you exactly what the guy did to gain advantages, not through crazy mechanical plays but simply game knowledge
he is challenger for a reason and there’s a clear difference as to why they’re diff ranks that’s y it’d be good to learn what challengers do that is different
You are talking about only the laning phase and the nasus, riven matchups. In low elo troubles come in the mid/late game. Everyone starts to play aram, not recalling, throwing 10k leads and they starts to forget objectives. Talking about mid or late game would help a lot more. It's only my personal opinion, tell me if im wrong. :)
Agreed. Im low diamond player and i i knew all that he said. easy for me to crush laning phase almost every game on irelia, but as you say, the decision making, team fighting macro is what makes me not have 97% winrate
I agree
the best way to secure victory with irelia is not to do trades until you are level 6 always ward because the jungler would come and always have the minion order where you fill comfortable if you do that first you will get a lot of gold second you will secure your win in the top or in the mid(i suggest playing irelia top because they are a lot of champions that play mid and counter irelia pretty bad so try to use different runes).In addition try to use combos like dasq with q while pressing e so the enemy can't see the e because they will be distracted be the q, then do second e r w q and you will have the 4th stack that will do addiotional damage depends the items you have bought.
@@k1lin_gr229 r instant after e is fail because u don’t use ur q reset here
would be interresting to show us one of the 3% of his games and explain why he lost them ;)
90% of those 3% of losses is his team feeding way to much and that last 10% is mistakes that cannot be recovered
Jg diff
@@farima4_legacy If a chall is smurfing in pisslow d3, especially as irelia it's not jg diff, but jg mid and bot diff. Keep in mind that irelia is a champion that can easily 1v3 if she has hard gapped lane and they don't have infinite cc
@@CamaradaArdi i was just kidding, and irellia can easly 1v5, just presses q on minions 4 times and auto attacks everyone to death
@@farima4_legacy 1v5 is too big of a strech because cc exists
Also a quick tip is that if havent seen the enemy jungler in a while and its not a farm jungler like yi or evelyn play safe and if you have a dash that is on a long cd like camille e or shen e dont trade with it in case you get ganked.And if you dont have a ward just assume that you are getting ganked.(if you are lower ello the ganks are alot more obvious because the enemy starts to play super aggro all of the sudden but as you get to higher ranks alot of players play passive on purpouse so you dont expect the gank)
The nasus is pretty bad for that elo. Like he has never faced an irelia in his life, playing that forward is just stupid. Literally all he needs to do is chill farm under tower until level 6 and bramble vest then he just destroys her 1v1. Smh
wooow thx to u now i know how a good nasus would do against me next time.
@@tsukikun440 He's actually a pretty disgusting champion as long as he plays the lane phase perfectly, smacking things with a no cooldown Q that does 30-40% hp in dmg is no joke
true, true but a good irelia wouldn't allow him to have that situation either
Really insightful, nice guide.
4:55 she hits the little minion before the cannon because she knows riven sees that she wants to q the cannon, for that last hit
awesome video thanks
6:25 that's wasn't random she dash in that minion to not lose her stacks.
great early tips just as i looked for
I love how u hid the newbie mistake of hitting tower pre min 5 with a like button xD @ 8:03
GGs ❤
Just got me her project skin 😍
My biggest struggle is getting bullied and dived by bruisers or some ADCs / Mid laners. What do you do? Sit on tower and lose CS? Catch 22. I end up diving. Then dying trying to get my monies. Lol
I always seem to struggle with mana in the early levels with irelia. This player seems to be using her Q just as much as I do but their mana seems for the most part pretty stable :/ is it a rune difference? I know shes not using presence of mind because I can see triumph healing her after kills soooo hmmm
He does use presence
I would love to see her against ww or tahm or Jax
This is a very good video
lol.. the funny thing is that i literally see the video and the " Q " Wave let me 17/0 in ranked soloq. . . thx man i guess i find my champ.
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4:59 Irelia waited not because she don't want her dmg to be blocked but rather to use her last Q to close the gap between them when riven uses her dash to get away or flash.
Simply, Irelia use her Q to gap close.
If u look closer he dash to the minion not riven .. his q was ready
Look left at ireli CD
7:45 it's funny you point mistakes in Irelia's decision making however I am pretty sure Nasus had miserable stacks and CSing... Showing the wave would give him free gold after all!
That account Madison Reckless on EUW that Irelia is playing on is obviously getting boosted. It's not a smurf. Scroll down to his Nocturne & Warwick games. The key he have flash on have swapped.
i confirm
he played far too many games tho
I know all of this and do all of this but i have 1 problem my macro sucks and it gets even worse when i get tilted
THIS IS SO HELPFUL I'M SCREAMING. You explain everything so clearly, which a lot of guides lack.
6:25 she also aaed Q minion to kill it soon enough not to lose 3 passive stacks probably
Gracias amigo 😎👍
i love the small jokes lol "the wave is the size of EU West" "Susan"
I think I know why he has a 97% WR... 1. He's smurfing, 2. He's playing Irelia, 3. HES SMURFING
Challenger players who smurf usually end up with like 70% winrates maximum. They also end up in diamond/masters tier games within their first 50 games. It is literally impossible to win 97% of your games with a balanced champion because of the other four numbskulls on your team. This champion is legitimately busted right now when you consider her damage and sustain with two items.
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Love this videos, and the guy who talks makes me laugh. Keep doing them
ok, but if enemies' jg is camping top with enemies' mid and supp (this happens like in 80% of all my games) how am i supposed to win
i can NOT LOSE the lane but i really cant win the lane and snowball in this case
i just cant play the game and my team DOESNT WANT to do smth useful while the enemy team is wasting time trying to kill me
awesome! so much top content, i'm so glad i switch to bruiser main
Dropping this video after irelia nerfs :D
Please do the same video for GP
Irelia never pushes wave level one because she sucks at trading when the minions are near turret, Lee is definitely part of that. He's not trading with riven because even if he wins trade, he'll be pushing wave by taking caster agro. If his lane is pushed at all then Lee Sin has an easy gank, it's not about hp, it's about wave management.
6:20 the auto isn't random it's for maintaining her stacks/pressure
You should really consider including items and gold so you can see why she's backing when she does to keep tempo instead of freezing.
Look up Elo Dragon Deity, he's 100% WR at 65 games played on Irelia. Only silver 1 atm, but still crazy.
6:27 she attacks minion to hold her stacks ready
Bruuuh this video was so helpful I’m gonna use these tips to the fullest
Irelia mains: Irelia is not that broken
also Irelia:
At 6:26 it's not really for secure the minion, it's more to get to 4th stack before trading
poor susan cant stop dying
This was very nice, but me a gold irelia already do all these things perfectly, the thing i struggle with is past laning phase :()
please some help on that regard
Look at vods of past games to see where you are making mistakes and all around just try not to waste time (try to get farm from wherever you can and don't just go to a lane without a purpouse) if you have tp and drake is up go top and the other way around if there is baron go bot, get camps from the enemy junlge if you are ahead and from yours if your junlger is far away. You need to be fighting ONLY when there is an objective that you can do after you win a fight and the only time you should go fight for no reason is if you got a pick or your team is ALOT stronger than the enemy and there is no way to lose the fight.
@@thugvader840 appreciated
and to add one thing as an dia irelia main, you should never engage first in fights as her. wait till enemy uses all of their cc and then jump in and win your team every fight ( if ur ahead every game as you say)
this is like, really, really, really basic stuff.
What skin is that
this doesn't apply to lower elo as junglers will almost never gank so yeah. Ire can just go aggressive just not too long
I like that he hits E1 only after making sure that the enemy got hit by the R
Proceeds to take Lamp
If you understand what this means
6:34 when u say that was a bit random, lol u don't know what there doing, lol
so clear
Is that coach Eagz voice?
The tricks are helpful, sure, but does not help when the jungler hardcore feeds intentionally
THIS SMURF has a 97% WINRATE playing in elos below his own with a clear advantage
The same things would be possible if a bronze player knew these tips and how to execute, or practiced these concepts of only trading smartly and re-engaging if you have a level up. The riven was a riven main playing almost perfectly.
how does he have a clear advantage? just because he is challenger doesnt mean he gets extra gold at the start of a game. The point is that she is much more skillfull than the players she plays against here, and the video wants to show why that is and what she does better.
@@nickeastmusic9930 Someone who's been playing the game for years can easily stomp new players? Gee, what a surprise! Better call the scientists to study this strange phenomenon.
The community obsession with smurfing is honestly cringeworthy and another example of why league is the most toxic game ever. In other games, it would be considered pretty pathetic to go around queuing against noobs just to inflate your own ego. In League, there's channels of "experts" based entirely around it.
@@CosmicAeon the video is not about that a better player CAN win vs a worse player but instead HOW he does it, which can be valuable information for players that are stuck at that elo. I remember picking up a lot of information and i improved by watching unranked to diamond series, as i could see what the smurf does differently and how he gets ahead in the elo that im stuck in. This is not league specific, but also chess players have been doing this for years helping people at the specific rating level improve.
@@CosmicAeon This term of smurf is kinda not getting his right sense by some people. If Im diamond and I make a fresh account because my main is having bad times with the MMR and climbing on that is pretty shit , doesnt mean that Im growing up my ego or something , I just grind on that account👍. Some people , you by what you just said clearly you judge incorrect. Im not saying that all people do the same thing, but think more before you type something, you put majority of players in the same situation.
"this smurf has a 97% win rate!!!" my brain: bro its a smurf ocf he plays against worse enemys
sheesh i was too early
And this is why she is my permban..
A guide explained by demo reviewing a Challenger 4 tiers below his real rank while abusing an already OP champ. Fascinating.
Keep crying about balance
5:56 like who doesn't need the gold from the tower plates???
Man, I'm having a constant "Yes! Thank you!" kind of reaction.
I'd love to play jungle, but I'd really like the toplaners to understand these basics first.
"He doesn't auto the wave like on acid" Thank you!
Challenger smurf playing in diamond is literally 3 full tiers below them. Challenger>grand master>master>diamond. It’s like me a plat smurf in bronze. It’s laughable to think this is even a fair match up.
"TOP LANE IRELIA Tips and Tricks"
the midlane logo in thumbnail: Am i a joke to you?
Top lane is highlighted in the thumb nail bro.
can I get a nick of this player and region?
Good video, fxck smurfs and boosters tho. They are in way too many games these like 70-80% WR accounts and they continue to pop up. Riot has to finally adress this booster/smurf issue, its insane how many games they destroy...
there is a smurf q which already fixed the problem, if ur gold 4 u wont match someone being gold 4 80%wr because he would be playing in smurfq. thats just a fact
Do vs darius
but what if youre playing this good but your team just feeds and you end up with 2 enemies as fed as you and they are apparently as good in macro too but youre the only one in your team that is fed and good in macro? and it happens in all your games? how do you climb out of that?
Add the good players that you found and play toguether to avoid trolls
somethings call win lane lose game champ
You can tell he’s not an irelia otp because of how passive he is
Esta usando hack se cura mas del daño base '.'!
I know nothing about this game XDDDDD (eune gold3 XDDD)
well nothing new, better tell us how to carry game when you have 0/6 mid and afk adc XD
YEP
This player was later banned for scripting with Xerath :DDD
Honestly, good luck carrying my botlane, after I am winning lane against permanently 1v2 jungle camp. While in the meantime my team loses drake, and goes 2-15 (eventho they play 4v3).
After that they ragequit (1 or 2 of them).
Yeah good luck carrying that.
Ah, getting off by beating people with lower skill play. What a sad smurf life.
XD
And also play only S-tier or OP-tier champ like that irelia in the vid for example or you wont be getting the same resaults.
Me with 72% winrate on Irelia on my main hehehehe
what? a challenger smurf has a 97% wr in low elos? no way, that cant be true
hey i would like to point out to anyone watching this. This irelia isn't doing anything in the mechanics department this is all wave mangagement and playing off the mistakes that people made
That stops in every 5sec are annoying
when smurfing for you is diamond elo-
Riot: 97% inflating irelia. That's fine.
Aatrox, Sett, Mordekaiser: win rate raises 000000000000.1%. Unacceptable, they're to broken. Nerfs.
Sett and Mordekaiser have a bigger win rate than Irelia
This smurf is abusing Irelia. Toooo talented.
tips and tricks?
yeah i got one
play irelia
"This smurf has 97% winrate" 3 games played.
Omg it will be a terrible week now. irelias everywhere
just ban?
take cho gath and say bb to irelia
how to get challenger : play buffed champions, buy buffed items, dont touch nerfed shit.
I play irelia exactly like this but why am I in gold xdxd
Because you don't play like that
A yes. Pick Irelia. Profit.
Фирст
letss go all the same basic tips without going into depth
weird flex showing a smurf but ok
Smurfs.. smh just another name for abuser
If someone smurfing than it's normal to have a high winrate no ?
lol the normal wr of smurf is 70 80 but no 97 lol
Dang these work, who knew?
90% of the time she loses top to Sett
Step 1: pick irelia.
... there are no more steps.
I win early game in 80 % of my games - (laning phase) - 10 % i go even (farm lanes) - 10 % i get fucked when the jungler sits and dives me. So - I know the basics of wave management etc. I would love a guide on how to utilize my lead the best possible way.
Now lets say this Irelia player was me (because in the early game it could be) - the Riven would most likely start playing from under her turret. What is the correct play here? Would I shove the wave and roam mid/jungle for a play, would I keep her shoved under her turret (which i, unfortunately, often do and get buttfucked later in the game from ganks where I position poorly) Basically what I am asking is how do you end a game after 15 minutes? After you have acquired a huge advantage on your own lane (which this irelia presumable does in 94 % of her games....) - I always find it super difficult to find closure and actually end the game if my team doesnt go for the objectives I would try for. (and I know its not my teams fault its most likely my own).
there's one phrase in this video that that made me lose faith in this whole channel: "This irelia waits until riven's shield is gone before bladesurging". They're trying to imply that she saves her q for when riven's shield is gone which makes no sense because she's autoing and about to destroy it anyway. what kind of redundancy is this?? she only waits so she can Q after riven is out of her auto attack range.
Smurfing shoud be banable.
Congrats on giving new players a shitty experience and wasting 30 minutes of 9 people's time. Very insightful!
you good?
What if that was a morde? An olaf? Trundle?
Vayne? Quin? This is a very bad show of this "97%" win rate when you only show 2 champs that are weak (riven needs buffs) and weaker early game (nasus) like I said what if that was a morde? Their passive and w would out sustain and at level 6 they steal your stats (even your passives attack speed can be stolen) or an olaf who can shred you early game? Or even if it was a tank like sion? They could just int and still be up to level late game. Or even ornn who can just play safe until ganks. What if ANYONE just freezes the wave in front of their tower just pushing you back due to the threat of a gank? I may not be high elo but this is just crap
Its all micro