I know a way to make a lot of aluminum oxide that is really pure. Just make a HHO cell with aluminum plates. Filter off the white cloudy stuff that forms and let it dry. Pure bright white aluminum oxide. Just turn up the amps to make more HHO and aluminum oxide. Just dont let it get so hot it boils the water away. It also takes a little while to get going, because rather then adding anything to the water you are letting the aluminum oxide decrease the resistances of the water. If you want it to be as pure as possible.
Nice shadows when you had the torch on the lower part of the pile. I would of liked to see some shadow puppets on the wall in the limelight. On melting the mixture could you use an electric arc to get more heat to melt the compound?
Yeah I should have done better to show the light on the workbench and nearby walls. I think an electric arc would work, I'm working on rewinding a couple MOT's right now.
I liked watching the video. I am excited for the next one where you make progress ;) As a child I once heated a piece of chalk which I took from school. It also made a very bright light and illuminated a good part of the room until I dropped the glowing hot thing :D
Was the scale zeroed when weighing the green stuff , is the flame carbonising the mix. Would heating from underneath in a crucible be better for purity's sake.
Glad to see you following through with the ruby experiments. I'll send you some info on making more pure aluminum oxide. I use aluminum for redox reactions all the time so I try to recover as much as possible as aluminum hydroxide.
In a book on synthetic gem making I have read, the first creator of synthetic sapphire/ruby (different impurities), Verneuil created it by dropping the purified alumina/impurity mix through an oxygen rich flame (to prevent soot contamination) onto a small rotating pedestal that was slowly lowered out of the flame as the gem material built up on it. With magnesium and iron in the mix then you may have made some spinel, which can appear black. The commercially purchased mortar and pestle may be made of alumina, many were when I was purchasing them for the lab years ago.
Hello.. did you try to smelt Aluminum from Aluminum oxide using hho torch? This would be very good to recycle the aluminum oxide back to Aluminum using HHO. Please try it and give us feedback if you can Your work is Appreciated Thanks
I came for the limelight, so I'm glad that worked. However.... Back when they used this for light, they had no way of producing HHO. So what did they use as a heat source?
IIRC the amount of chromium in ruby is down in the tens of PPM or somewhere around there. Ideally you want to have a pool of molten aluminium oxide and a seed crystal that is dipped in the pool and slowly pulled out. I was planning on making synthetic ruby but I never even got to experiment with melting alumina.
I believe you are correct, but the resources I was able to find stated to use 95% Al2O3 and 5% Cr2O3. Which really does seem high. Maybe my resources were garbage!
Fun to watch! Take a look at laser-grade synthetic ruby. These are found in two dopant levels. 0.03% Cr and 0.05% Cr. The first is pale pink and the second looks more like gem ruby. Other types of laser crystal have higher Cr doping for buffering and often green not red (search CTH:YAG). Good luck with the next try.
Is there a way to make maybe a small crucible (or just a block of solid ceramic) out of that oxide? I have tried many things to bind it.. sintering it as a loosely compressed powder, mixed with water, mixed with epoxy or sodium silicate, but nothing really worked. (I can only heat it for up to 10 minutes with a propane torch 🙁) ????pleasehelpme I have many kilograms of aluminum oxide ceramic powder but I can do nothing with it 😆 (I did not pay for it..it’s a long story)
Have you tried sintering it in a kiln? Sometimes those paint-your-own pottery places will let you use theirs. Fire clay (which is mostly fine silica and alumina) makes a pretty good binder, and a vermiculite/pearlite/foam bead mix in will make a pretty good fire brick. Aluminum phosphate can work as a binder, if you pre-react some alumina with phosphoric acid at 100+°C, or aluminum hydroxide at ambient temperatures. It's kind of tough to get a good sinter on particle sizes much bigger than 3 microns I'm told; sol gells often yield particles in the nano range, so maybe duplicate the process this guy used and use that as a mix in to aid sintering. Success with a torch would be a pretty good trick. I've been working on making a ceramic foam for an insulating refractory by replicating a process I read in a paper using SDS as a surfactant for alumina or zirconia, but my foams keep collapsing. I'm thinking it's a starting materials / materials processing thing. I may need to make a good ball mill.
In synthetic gems, they usually use metal crucible because the possible interaction to the ceramic crucible at the melt interface and grain release. I’m not quite sure what this mean but I found this on reddit thread about melting alumina, hopes it help.
Is it possible to press the powder with enough pressure over a period of time to create a ruby? That might be a stupid question but I know nothing when it comes to this...
I have done this with oxyacetylene, and a way I found to keep the powder from blowing away is to mix a very small amount of water in with it. Then it will stay still while you melt it. Try it.
Actually I'm here for the abrasives part. Good to know you have more abrasive related videos, will watch those next. Goal is to maybe make my own lapping slurry so I can make surface plates and lenses and all that in the future. I think you should be able to filter particle size with sedimentation, but any idea how you can actually grind them smaller and smaller? You made a nice thin powder but I'm talking sub-micron.
I was going to comment the same thing. Its pretty straightforward with the right setup but probably not cost effective on a small scale but for a video and a trophy for your case go for it. Be safe. Beer is good after you slay the dragon.
You can pack the oxide into a cone or pyramid shape then come down slowly on the top. You can also use some acetone to moisten it up and build the pile up like you would a sand castle with wet sand. Wait until the next day when the oxide pile is dry. As far as making what you have more pure, calcine the Al2O3 then soak it in HCl with H2O2. The Al2O3 is really resistant to acids so most any other contaminates will be turned into soluble salts. You can also buy some Al2O3 from dental supply, rock tumbler supply and pottery suppliers from eBay.
@@ElementalMaker Yes I have, but I'm not sure if I've used it to dissolve aluminum for any projects. That and aqua regia are a lot of fun to play with. Be sure to also rinse the aluminum oxide many times over after any acid washes. Just for any residual sodium alone, I'll rinse 8 to 16 times. You can get 15lbs of aluminum oxide for $30 from an eBay seller that sells dental supplies. I've only got 1200 to 1500 mesh stuff for rock tumblers and it is surprisingly pure. Be sure to read up on the chromium compounds, which you've already done. Trivalent chromium is what you are working with right now hence chromium III oxide. Hexavalent chromium is the seriously nasty shit. Ferrous sulfate and trisodium phosphate reduces hexavalent chromium to trivalent form. There are other compounds that reduce hexavalent to trivalent as well. I can't remember at the moment if sodium thiosulfate does it too, but I think it works as well. I'll get back to you soon on more specific details/hints on making synthetic ruby. Be glad you aren't trying to do sapphire first. Sapphire is a bitch to get the color blue or anything other than shades of grey. This is actually a well known issue with synthetic sapphire.
Here is a quantity of aluminum oxide I've been wanting to get, but I still have 5 lbs to go through so I'm in no rush. For $29 it's a great deal for 15 lbs as you can also use the aluminum oxide for so many different applications. You can make your own high alumina ultra high temperature ceramics. You have zirconium oxide already, so that can be of great use with the ceramics as well. 15 lbs Aluminum Oxide (50 micron) www.ebay.com/itm/162030544997 Here is the Aluminum oxide I've bought and I've been extremely impressed with it. www.ebay.com/itm/2-lb-Super-Polish-1200X-Aluminum-Oxide-Grit-Rock-Tumbling-Media-for-Lapidary-use/352476481191?epid=15011162020&hash=item52113c46a7:g:ZUEAAOSw5i5arJLn:rk:4:pf:0
@@mwilson14 man that's a great deal! Wish I knew about it a few days ago, I just got some cosmetic grade delivered. $12 for a whopping 8oz LOL. I got ripped off! If I order again, I will definitely get the dental grade.
Just try melting a larger piece of aluminum oxide, and then try to spread some of that green dust on the molten bead. I think it should stick quite well. Then you are able to melt it into it using the torch. Maybe you need to repeat the proces some times until you are done.👍
I see you made a flameback arrestor out of a syringe and steel wool. Are there any tricks to this or is it that straightforward? I've been wanting an HHO torch, but I'm worried about my cell blowing up.
Nothing too tricky, just a syringe filled with fine stainless wool works great! I originally used coarse brass wool, and that didn't work, so I had to shove a bunch of fine stainless wool into the tip of the syringe.
What would be really cool would be if you made or got your hands on aluminium made by reacting aluminium chloride with Potassium metal. This was the aluminium that the royals used before the electrolytic process came around. Back then only the highest of royals were served on aluminium. The lesser royals were served on gold and silver. The potassium itself was made by the electrolysis of potassium chloride.
Wow thats awesome! Learn something new every day! I had always heard that aluminum was the metal for royalty, but didn't understand why. That makes so much sense! Crazy to think that's how they had to reduce alumina!
And when the electrolytic process came around, aluminium became the standard utensil material for the poorest of the poor(still is). It always amazes me how big of a change in value occurred to this metal alone. No other metal has changed value(not that I know of, at least) as much as aluminium has at any point in history. Zinc is a different story altogether. It had to be done in a very special furnace that only a few places could do. Look up the fascinating history of making zinc metal if you want to.
That will depend big time on the alloy of titanium used and the cutting parameters used. On my lathe however typically the titanium is brittle and could easily be crushed in a ball mill.
ElementalMaker www.ebay.com/itm/One-pound-1-Titanium-metal-shavings-chips-great-for-orgonite/282625801014?epid=2208160025&hash=item41cdcf7b36:g:L9AAAOSwqVxZfhf6 Will this b able to break ?
To grow crystals you need a seed crystal. AFAIK the industrial process to grow syphire or ruby is to use a gas mixture with about four times as much oxygen than hydrogen, and to blow the aluminium powder into the gas against a seed crystal.
try building a considerably larger HHO reactor so that you can have either a larger flame or several small ones. and maybe even try making your ruby crucibles from a high temp. tolerance refractory cement, if they make the stuff in high enough thermal tolerances that is.
hi i know something about ruby, RUBYS, SAPPHIRES AND EMERALDS are all the same element but just with different impurities, that element is called corundum look it up its pretty common
I had some success with oxy-acetylene on a steel plate, so really suboptimal. I put the powder in a short piece of some iron tube that was laying around. The key was keeping the torch far away at first, and to only go near it after the powder had been red hot for like a minute to sort of "sinter" the surface together a little bit. I used 1% Cr2O3 and some Ceramic powder I got years ago, i am pretty sure that it is pure Al2O3.
More powder and a tiny crucible. Cover the top. And blast with a burner. Or cook in an appropriate oven. That might work. Magnesium burns fairly hot too.
Even if it did, the byproducts of thermite would be a contaminate and ruin the ruby, even the guys using graphite crumbles are seeing carbon contamination, it might work, the rubies would just look really bad, also the violence of the reaction would scatter tiny rubies everywhere, it wouldn’t make 1 solid ruby
no siempre sale a la primera, estube leyendo y hay prosesos descriptos que dicen que la mescla debe de ser homogenea, y pasar por el centro de la llama ,alcansar cerca de los 2000 grados centigrados, Proceso de Verneuil hay esplica un poco como lograrlo, espero con ancias el video de cuando lo logres.
Try an arc from a plasma cutter the only issue is you need the air supply to light the arc. Unless you find some other way like an inert gas chamber and extremely high voltage to get a plasma arc that's just as hot or hotter.
If you really want to melt aluminum oxide i suggest to use an arc welder with graphite electrodes. It's melts everything. But carbon contamination also be a problem :/
@@ElementalMaker is there any othere gas torch that would work cause this looks very fun, by the way i love your channel very much and enjoy your projects it has inspired me to do things like thermite and smoke grenades while im not skilled like you i want to be some day yadda yadda yadda usual youtuber comments and rants that dont matter....im just happy i actually got a youtuber to message me back ;-;
@@NoName-sy3di an oxy-propane torch should definitely work. Even a map gas torch should work as well, I think I didn't give it enough time or insulate the area well enough
Watching this got me into a Wikipedia rabbit hole researching synthetic ruby :D Apparently the way they first did ruby they dropped a dust of starting material down through the HHO flame, might be worth a try? Also I think you're on the money with the purity thing too - "One of the most crucial factors in successfully crystallising an artificial gemstone is obtaining highly pure starting material, with at least 99.9995% purity." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verneuil_process
You might want to check out the "Rulof Maker" channel. He recently attempted to make ruby with an HHO torch as well and seemed to have some success by sprinkling the poweder into the flame of the torch.
@@Pyroman1ac I remember watching his underwater breather video years back and loving his videos. It was definitely a bummer to see someone I respected like that plagerize my video. At least he ended up giving credit in the description after a bit.
Good recommendation! I think the issue was however though the acid itself being contaminated with trace iron. Ill have to make up some reagent grade HCl.
@@miamama9776 love nurdrages stuff! Reagent grade hcl is very easy to make with hardware store grade hcl. Just two open containers, one with the hardware store muriatic acid, and one with distilled water, and put them both inside of a larger closed container. The hcl fumes will dissolve into the distilled water, forming ultra pure 18%ish hcl after a couple days.
Love that wee torch. You have serious possibilities with that puppy. I use HGX for my silver pours. I like it. Seems to be as hot or hotter and comes in a 20 lb bottle from my welding supply. Check out my little furnace. It is cheap and really holds the heat in. I did build a tumbler from your design and it works great. Thanks bud.
Some very cool stuff you do! Beautiful work on the many castings! I hope to get into doing some metal casting soon as well. You have some great talent!
@@ElementalMaker if you are using alumina scrap that and order corundum powder it is aluminium oxide but its the very one that is ruby with chromium is a pigment ebay has corundum powder i just looked
About the purity: What you have there is Diaspore. It is the intermediate state of Aluminium Hydroxide going to Aluminium Oxide. The Hydroxide starts giving off waters when it is heated to more than 100 degrees C. To totally convert to Aluminium Oxide, you have to bring it to more than 400C. Also, your HHO flame is not pure Hydrogen and Oxygen; if it was pure your flame would be completely invisible! Guess you are not using inert electrodes in your setup.
With usinh impure Carundom you are going to change the color for sure..I would have used A super magnit first that a was stong and dry. You might make off color sapphires if you don't mill the aluminum down and wash it after pulling the impurites with a N.magnit , FINAL Protduct use a uv not fluresnt blus "shop" light spectrum of light and colours wave.
Ruby is a crystal so it may never form in that dish you need a seed crystal in a pot of molten ingredients with the molten mass rotating slowly down to the point where crystals can form then stopping rotation allowing the seed to start the process. Very simplistic way of saying it but it gets the point across. You might be able to get access to a small kiln used for making silicon it's made just for doing this.
Induction heaters only work with METALS, not for metal oxides. BTW if you try to use a metal container eh, well... it will melt long before reaching the right temperature (ok, ok maybe a tungsten container stand a chance)
Go to a junk yard and get the smallest original catalytic converter you can find once you have it take a small piece of around 10mm² or 1cm² or 3/8"² I think not sure on the last one that's an American and Canadian thing or old-school before my time. Anyway now you have that you'll need to take a bit of a clothes hanger to make a small housing for it because you need to hit it from below with your hho torch. PLATINUM WILL GLOW LIKE YOU WON'T BELIEVE WITH THAT HHO BLASTING AT IT AND ONCE GLOWING YOU CAN REDUCE THE FLAME UNTIL YOU CAN'T SEE IT AT ALL BUT THE SMALL CUBE LIT UP BRIGHTER THAN THE SUN. Surrounding it with photovoltaic solar cells would be interesting to see. A guy here on UA-cam used to have some videos on it called Camelloops but he went missing after the last California wild/buildings fire. Obviously if you don't want contaminants in your cat then new would be best but the copy catalytic converters are nowhere near as good as an original from a good manufacturer. I used to think welding was bright until I saw a piece of cat being hit with a hho torch. Great videos
The immortal Zeus in action! Also you realize you can get a real man size mortal and pestel in slate and works way better especially for a man with your hands!!!!!!!!
Yeah I have a couple bigger ones, but they are too big for small amounts of chemicals like I used here. I just need to get a bunch of cheap coffee grinders. Those things are the best.
as a Gemological Institute of America trained gemologist: you want to do the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verneuil_process. your problem you are trying to bake a cake with a blow torch not a oven. your are not using a seed crystal you do not need pressure for ruby. you are trying to make a cake by put taking a bowl of flower and a whole uncracked egg, then setting your plumber's torch to the pile of flower and whole egg at 350 for 2 hours and not getting a wedding cake. you are following the directions to make a cake like a actual robot take flower and egg together and bake for 2 hours at 350. try pinching and dropping the alum and chromium over your seed crystal on a turn table in a h2 gas powered kiln(oven) most rubies are made in India at a rate no one is undercutting in price. believe me I looked into it. I don't think many of them can afford to use expensive precursors also crystallization and recrystallization can be used as a high quality purification method, you need high quality to start but it is frequently how you get to perfect. crystals need the right environment for their type, think about making candy. you should make candy successfully first then think about the rubies in that way. what things were really important. how did things change when you made the sugar impure with salt or something. did you need a different temperature conditions for crystallization. how would you do candy differently if you were caramelize toasting a cream bolay crust with a torch. would you hold it in one spot or try to make even heat by moving the torch around. if you are going to use a torch you should try to make even stable heat. I say these things not to insult but to help you with your project. if you do it right you will get rings from the different pinching levels, that look cool under magnification. you might not be able to see them if it's not gem, if you don't make a gem quality product. synthetic gems are great to sell but you should always disclose exactly what you are selling 100% of the time. although it's frequently not reported/enforced proper disclosure is in most legal systems as a serious crime. a lot of times these are old laws that come from a more draconian time, like horse theft. just be honest about it. such as "the same elements as natural ruby at a better price!" "one was made in the earth one was made by science" "computer chips have less then pennies worth of silicon yet we sell those for far more then their ingredients cost." also works with pharmaceuticals. their are lot of ways you can be honest and sell synthetic gems for a amount that reflects all the work and overhead put in to their production.
next time, cut off the top and bottoms of the cans and don't use them cause they have the mg but that is a big oof try ammonia, MgO is soluble in ammonia I think
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"Persistence will piss a hole through a mountain." -- John Lee Pettimore III
I'm literally going to put that on a big motivational sign and put it up in my workshop. That is EXCELLENT.
@@ElementalMaker Its a bit late but if you didn't do it yet can you make a video making it?
Despite not working, it was still fun to watch.
Glad you enjoyed my dear SweetMeat LOL. That name will never get old!
Make a bigger hho torch. 10:55 "wow!...fuck me dead!....Jesus!"LOL
Absurd, I only found your channel when I saw you calling out another UA-camr who stole this video. Good content!
Thanks Rockspoon! Glad you like the content!
I know a way to make a lot of aluminum oxide that is really pure. Just make a HHO cell with aluminum plates. Filter off the white cloudy stuff that forms and let it dry. Pure bright white aluminum oxide. Just turn up the amps to make more HHO and aluminum oxide. Just dont let it get so hot it boils the water away. It also takes a little while to get going, because rather then adding anything to the water you are letting the aluminum oxide decrease the resistances of the water. If you want it to be as pure as possible.
Even though it says fail I still watch intently and hope it works! Like rewatching your favourite movie!
Glad you enjoy the videos Kenneth!
@@ElementalMaker I definitely do, your gruff mountain man ,built like a brick shit house voice makes it even better if I may say so!!!!
Old yeller will be fine this time, it can't happen EVERY time I watch this....
Poor Old Yeller. Damn that movie smashed the feels.
Nice shadows when you had the torch on the lower part of the pile. I would of liked to see some shadow puppets on the wall in the limelight.
On melting the mixture could you use an electric arc to get more heat to melt the compound?
Yeah I should have done better to show the light on the workbench and nearby walls. I think an electric arc would work, I'm working on rewinding a couple MOT's right now.
This could get FUN! Well at least SHOCKING! And it the right time of the year for shocking things of a different type mostly.
I haven't even watched this yet. You're a really underrated youtuber man.
Appreciate it Blake! YT's algorithms seem to hate my channel. Probably the language.
@@ElementalMaker or graphite!
I liked watching the video. I am excited for the next one where you make progress ;)
As a child I once heated a piece of chalk which I took from school. It also made a very bright light and illuminated a good part of the room until I dropped the glowing hot thing :D
Coming from a school in the middle of nowhere means the teachers are for shit. This channel helps to fill the gaps. Thank you elemental maker
Was the scale zeroed when weighing the green stuff , is the flame carbonising the mix. Would heating from underneath in a crucible be better for purity's sake.
Glad to see you following through with the ruby experiments. I'll send you some info on making more pure aluminum oxide. I use aluminum for redox reactions all the time so I try to recover as much as possible as aluminum hydroxide.
In a book on synthetic gem making I have read, the first creator of synthetic sapphire/ruby (different impurities), Verneuil created it by dropping the purified alumina/impurity mix through an oxygen rich flame (to prevent soot contamination) onto a small rotating pedestal that was slowly lowered out of the flame as the gem material built up on it. With magnesium and iron in the mix then you may have made some spinel, which can appear black. The commercially purchased mortar and pestle may be made of alumina, many were when I was purchasing them for the lab years ago.
Hello.. did you try to smelt Aluminum from Aluminum oxide using hho torch? This would be very good to recycle the aluminum oxide back to Aluminum using HHO.
Please try it and give us feedback if you can
Your work is Appreciated
Thanks
I came for the limelight, so I'm glad that worked.
However.... Back when they used this for light, they had no way of producing HHO. So what did they use as a heat source?
Answered my own question. They made the hydrogen chemically from steam and natgas.
IIRC the amount of chromium in ruby is down in the tens of PPM or somewhere around there. Ideally you want to have a pool of molten aluminium oxide and a seed crystal that is dipped in the pool and slowly pulled out. I was planning on making synthetic ruby but I never even got to experiment with melting alumina.
I believe you are correct, but the resources I was able to find stated to use 95% Al2O3 and 5% Cr2O3. Which really does seem high. Maybe my resources were garbage!
Fun to watch! Take a look at laser-grade synthetic ruby. These are found in two dopant levels. 0.03% Cr and 0.05% Cr. The first is pale pink and the second looks more like gem ruby. Other types of laser crystal have higher Cr doping for buffering and often green not red (search CTH:YAG). Good luck with the next try.
sounds like you would need a kiln and a week or two
Is there a way to make maybe a small crucible (or just a block of solid ceramic) out of that oxide?
I have tried many things to bind it.. sintering it as a loosely compressed powder, mixed with water, mixed with epoxy or sodium silicate, but nothing really worked.
(I can only heat it for up to 10 minutes with a propane torch 🙁)
????pleasehelpme
I have many kilograms of aluminum oxide ceramic powder but I can do nothing with it 😆
(I did not pay for it..it’s a long story)
Have you tried sintering it in a kiln? Sometimes those paint-your-own pottery places will let you use theirs. Fire clay (which is mostly fine silica and alumina) makes a pretty good binder, and a vermiculite/pearlite/foam bead mix in will make a pretty good fire brick. Aluminum phosphate can work as a binder, if you pre-react some alumina with phosphoric acid at 100+°C, or aluminum hydroxide at ambient temperatures. It's kind of tough to get a good sinter on particle sizes much bigger than 3 microns I'm told; sol gells often yield particles in the nano range, so maybe duplicate the process this guy used and use that as a mix in to aid sintering. Success with a torch would be a pretty good trick.
I've been working on making a ceramic foam for an insulating refractory by replicating a process I read in a paper using SDS as a surfactant for alumina or zirconia, but my foams keep collapsing. I'm thinking it's a starting materials / materials processing thing. I may need to make a good ball mill.
Thats a very clever setup for the torch. You have a syrenge with a needle as the nozzle. How havent i thought of this
In synthetic gems, they usually use metal crucible because the possible interaction to the ceramic crucible at the melt interface and grain release. I’m not quite sure what this mean but I found this on reddit thread about melting alumina, hopes it help.
Is it possible to press the powder with enough pressure over a period of time to create a ruby? That might be a stupid question but I know nothing when it comes to this...
Why? What can synthetic DIY rubies be used for?
Trying that out on a mantle for the camping lights would be neat. See how much more light you get from HHO than with Kerosene or propane.
I have done this with oxyacetylene, and a way I found to keep the powder from blowing away is to mix a very small amount of water in with it. Then it will stay still while you melt it. Try it.
You meany dihydrogen monoxide?
Actually I'm here for the abrasives part. Good to know you have more abrasive related videos, will watch those next.
Goal is to maybe make my own lapping slurry so I can make surface plates and lenses and all that in the future.
I think you should be able to filter particle size with sedimentation, but any idea how you can actually grind them smaller and smaller? You made a nice thin powder but I'm talking sub-micron.
does the calcium hydroxide lose the hydrogen to form calcium oxide when you use it as a limelight? i always thought that calcium carbonate was used.
Yeah the flame reduces it and gives off water vapor as a by product. Ca(OH)2 → CaO + H2O
it would make sense as calcium has a cycle!
Could you use a Fresnel lens from a rear projection t.v. and the Sun, instead of a torch?
I bet you could! It would probably have to be a big one to get the required temperatures, but I am sure it can be done.
Would be really cool, but I’m not sure if aluminum oxide would absorb enough light.
Can you hold the powder in a matrix of epoxy, and essentially sinter it out from there? That will get rid of the powder mobility issues.
Epoxy would cause carbon contamination (soot) as it burned....
Can one just mix the powder and put it in a foundry?
You get my vote just for the content..... Good work mate👍
Thanks!
Please, if you want to succeed, the Verneuil process is the one you want to replicate.
I'm researching it and trying to think up ways I could do it. I'm going to give it a shot!
I was going to comment the same thing. Its pretty straightforward with the right setup but probably not cost effective on a small scale but for a video and a trophy for your case go for it. Be safe. Beer is good after you slay the dragon.
You can pack the oxide into a cone or pyramid shape then come down slowly on the top. You can also use some acetone to moisten it up and build the pile up like you would a sand castle with wet sand. Wait until the next day when the oxide pile is dry.
As far as making what you have more pure, calcine the Al2O3 then soak it in HCl with H2O2. The Al2O3 is really resistant to acids so most any other contaminates will be turned into soluble salts. You can also buy some Al2O3 from dental supply, rock tumbler supply and pottery suppliers from eBay.
Very good resources thanks Matthew! I will try that purification method. Have you ever tried Piranha Solution?
@@ElementalMaker Yes I have, but I'm not sure if I've used it to dissolve aluminum for any projects. That and aqua regia are a lot of fun to play with. Be sure to also rinse the aluminum oxide many times over after any acid washes. Just for any residual sodium alone, I'll rinse 8 to 16 times. You can get 15lbs of aluminum oxide for $30 from an eBay seller that sells dental supplies. I've only got 1200 to 1500 mesh stuff for rock tumblers and it is surprisingly pure. Be sure to read up on the chromium compounds, which you've already done. Trivalent chromium is what you are working with right now hence chromium III oxide. Hexavalent chromium is the seriously nasty shit. Ferrous sulfate and trisodium phosphate reduces hexavalent chromium to trivalent form. There are other compounds that reduce hexavalent to trivalent as well. I can't remember at the moment if sodium thiosulfate does it too, but I think it works as well.
I'll get back to you soon on more specific details/hints on making synthetic ruby. Be glad you aren't trying to do sapphire first. Sapphire is a bitch to get the color blue or anything other than shades of grey. This is actually a well known issue with synthetic sapphire.
Here is a quantity of aluminum oxide I've been wanting to get, but I still have 5 lbs to go through so I'm in no rush. For $29 it's a great deal for 15 lbs as you can also use the aluminum oxide for so many different applications. You can make your own high alumina ultra high temperature ceramics. You have zirconium oxide already, so that can be of great use with the ceramics as well.
15 lbs Aluminum Oxide (50 micron)
www.ebay.com/itm/162030544997
Here is the Aluminum oxide I've bought and I've been extremely impressed with it.
www.ebay.com/itm/2-lb-Super-Polish-1200X-Aluminum-Oxide-Grit-Rock-Tumbling-Media-for-Lapidary-use/352476481191?epid=15011162020&hash=item52113c46a7:g:ZUEAAOSw5i5arJLn:rk:4:pf:0
@@mwilson14 man that's a great deal! Wish I knew about it a few days ago, I just got some cosmetic grade delivered. $12 for a whopping 8oz LOL. I got ripped off! If I order again, I will definitely get the dental grade.
@@mwilson14 btw what ratios of Al2O3 to Cr2O3 do you use? Online I found 95% / 5% but that seems like way too much chromium oxide.
Just try melting a larger piece of aluminum oxide, and then try to spread some of that green dust on the molten bead. I think it should stick quite well. Then you are able to melt it into it using the torch. Maybe you need to repeat the proces some times until you are done.👍
haha, right when i thought "i have to build such a torch for my own"
the dream burst in thousand pieces xD
Yeah, at least none of those white hot pieces came flying at your face! LOL
I see you made a flameback arrestor out of a syringe and steel wool. Are there any tricks to this or is it that straightforward? I've been wanting an HHO torch, but I'm worried about my cell blowing up.
Nothing too tricky, just a syringe filled with fine stainless wool works great! I originally used coarse brass wool, and that didn't work, so I had to shove a bunch of fine stainless wool into the tip of the syringe.
Ya know why a * is called a 'nathan'? It was Nathan Hale who famously said that "I regret that I have but one * for my country"!
I'd say try throwing it into the smelter, would that thing get hot enough to possibly form a Ruby?
Speaking of abrasive, some types of sandpaper has rubies (or sapphire). But it's not what anyone would consider gem quality.
What would be really cool would be if you made or got your hands on aluminium made by reacting aluminium chloride with Potassium metal. This was the aluminium that the royals used before the electrolytic process came around. Back then only the highest of royals were served on aluminium. The lesser royals were served on gold and silver. The potassium itself was made by the electrolysis of potassium chloride.
Wow thats awesome! Learn something new every day! I had always heard that aluminum was the metal for royalty, but didn't understand why. That makes so much sense! Crazy to think that's how they had to reduce alumina!
mmmm parkinson's
@@landroveraddict2457 What do you mean?
@@ElementalMaker You're welcome :-)
And when the electrolytic process came around, aluminium became the standard utensil material for the poorest of the poor(still is). It always amazes me how big of a change in value occurred to this metal alone. No other metal has changed value(not that I know of, at least) as much as aluminium has at any point in history. Zinc is a different story altogether. It had to be done in a very special furnace that only a few places could do. Look up the fascinating history of making zinc metal if you want to.
Quick question, is titanium shavings brittle? Like can u crush it into flakes or large granuals
That will depend big time on the alloy of titanium used and the cutting parameters used. On my lathe however typically the titanium is brittle and could easily be crushed in a ball mill.
ElementalMaker www.ebay.com/itm/One-pound-1-Titanium-metal-shavings-chips-great-for-orgonite/282625801014?epid=2208160025&hash=item41cdcf7b36:g:L9AAAOSwqVxZfhf6
Will this b able to break ?
The white crucible you're using is made of pure aluminum oxide, you might want to try melt the edge of it and see what it looks like.
How about a high powered laser?
Wish I had one powerful enough to test, but the most powerful one I have is 500mW.
@keith moore Not really, but I get what you mean.
To grow crystals you need a seed crystal. AFAIK the industrial process to grow syphire or ruby is to use a gas mixture with about four times as much oxygen than hydrogen, and to blow the aluminium powder into the gas against a seed crystal.
I have a beer can in my hand right now! Lol. All of us AvE fans think alike. Great video as always!
Try mixing with water and press into cakes and dry, might hold together long enough to melt
try building a considerably larger HHO reactor so that you can have either a larger flame or several small ones. and maybe even try making your ruby crucibles from a high temp. tolerance refractory cement, if they make the stuff in high enough thermal tolerances that is.
hi i know something about ruby, RUBYS, SAPPHIRES AND EMERALDS are all the same element but just with different impurities, that element is called corundum look it up its pretty common
Its vaporized chromium compounds that are carcinogenic like when heating or welding on chrome it releases hexavalent chromium
I'm sure the HHO flame vaporized some of the Cr2O3. Not taking a chance with that stuff.
@@ElementalMaker that mask wont work you need an organic filter for that just a activated carbon filter
I hope you do get to make a video making a ruby and purer aluminium oxide
Is this ave?
I had some success with oxy-acetylene on a steel plate, so really suboptimal. I put the powder in a short piece of some iron tube that was laying around.
The key was keeping the torch far away at first, and to only go near it after the powder had been red hot for like a minute to sort of "sinter" the surface together a little bit. I used 1% Cr2O3 and some Ceramic powder I got years ago, i am pretty sure that it is pure Al2O3.
Check out my newer videos, bigtime success
your flame must be low velocity, and the chrome oxide only needs to be very small, and sprinkled into the melt....
Lol...Explosive ending to a interesting/informative video...Thanks for sharing...Peace
try putting your mix in a ceramic cylinder with electrodes on either end. pump it with a high voltage source .
More powder and a tiny crucible. Cover the top. And blast with a burner. Or cook in an appropriate oven. That might work. Magnesium burns fairly hot too.
Check out the newer ruby video, found a different and more effective way of doing it, and success!
Defeat, defeat? I will NOT accept defeat!!! lol
Just caught the last part of the video. Laughed my effin' ass off. Thanks for that.
Yeah damn near crapped my pants!
ElementalMaker I kinda got that impression. Still laughing about it.
What about a thermite reaction? Would it get hot enough to reach fusion?
Even if it did, the byproducts of thermite would be a contaminate and ruin the ruby, even the guys using graphite crumbles are seeing carbon contamination, it might work, the rubies would just look really bad, also the violence of the reaction would scatter tiny rubies everywhere, it wouldn’t make 1 solid ruby
no siempre sale a la primera, estube leyendo y hay prosesos descriptos que dicen que la mescla debe de ser homogenea, y pasar por el centro de la llama ,alcansar cerca de los 2000 grados centigrados, Proceso de Verneuil hay esplica un poco como lograrlo, espero con ancias el video de cuando lo logres.
That poor mortar and pestle.
Yep, I'm sure Al2O3 isn't quite the most gentle thing to crush!
Try an arc from a plasma cutter the only issue is you need the air supply to light the arc. Unless you find some other way like an inert gas chamber and extremely high voltage to get a plasma arc that's just as hot or hotter.
Astrictcies*
Would a flux help?
I think a flux would definitely help! Will have to add that next time
I don't think about it hot enough I think you need to get a small Kiln to put it in the same time you would melt aluminum in and maybe it might work
If you really want to melt aluminum oxide i suggest to use an arc welder with graphite electrodes. It's melts everything. But carbon contamination also be a problem :/
Can you use an acetalene torche for this?
I think the flame of an acetylene torch is a bit too dirty to produce ruby.
@@ElementalMaker is there any othere gas torch that would work cause this looks very fun, by the way i love your channel very much and enjoy your projects it has inspired me to do things like thermite and smoke grenades while im not skilled like you i want to be some day yadda yadda yadda usual youtuber comments and rants that dont matter....im just happy i actually got a youtuber to message me back ;-;
@@NoName-sy3di an oxy-propane torch should definitely work. Even a map gas torch should work as well, I think I didn't give it enough time or insulate the area well enough
@@ElementalMaker ohbok well i look forward to the next video how would you cut these rubies after
@@NoName-sy3di I have a bunch of diamond grinding wheels that should zip through ruby with no issue
That was pink ruby's are pink why did it not work?
I don't think there was anything pink, unless I just blatantly missed it. When in the video did you see it?
Watching this got me into a Wikipedia rabbit hole researching synthetic ruby :D Apparently the way they first did ruby they dropped a dust of starting material down through the HHO flame, might be worth a try? Also I think you're on the money with the purity thing too - "One of the most crucial factors in successfully crystallising an artificial gemstone is obtaining highly pure starting material, with at least 99.9995% purity." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verneuil_process
My suggestion would be to research the early manufacturer of synthetic Ruby.
LOL I like the Limelight only if it doesn't explode my face Great ending
Looking forward to attempt #2
maybe put a bit of boric acid on it, and when it melts its gonna absorb the aluminum oxide helping you melt it better
Yeah I should have tried a flux, not shure why I didn't think of trying one
You might want to check out the "Rulof Maker" channel. He recently attempted to make ruby with an HHO torch as well and seemed to have some success by sprinkling the poweder into the flame of the torch.
Yeah I did have success in the video after this one. Rulof copied my entire video down to the jokes.
@@ElementalMaker Yeah, I realized that after I watched your next video. Kind of a bummer. I liked the guy.
@@Pyroman1ac I remember watching his underwater breather video years back and loving his videos. It was definitely a bummer to see someone I respected like that plagerize my video. At least he ended up giving credit in the description after a bit.
AvE doppelganger?
Maybe try reacting aluminum alloy with KOH first, then with an acid. This will knock out iron contamination.
Good recommendation! I think the issue was however though the acid itself being contaminated with trace iron. Ill have to make up some reagent grade HCl.
@@ElementalMaker NurdRage has an awesome tutorial on how to make hydrochloric acid. It should be pure, but a tiny bit dilute
@@miamama9776 love nurdrages stuff! Reagent grade hcl is very easy to make with hardware store grade hcl. Just two open containers, one with the hardware store muriatic acid, and one with distilled water, and put them both inside of a larger closed container. The hcl fumes will dissolve into the distilled water, forming ultra pure 18%ish hcl after a couple days.
@@ElementalMaker lol true
LOL... guess I should have watched this video first before commenting on the more recent one!
You should try it with the original design for synthethic Ruby, i think you Need a Ruby to be the pattern for the cryastals to Form around it.
Love that wee torch. You have serious possibilities with that puppy. I use HGX for my silver pours. I like it. Seems to be as hot or hotter and comes in a 20 lb bottle from my welding supply. Check out my little furnace. It is cheap and really holds the heat in. I did build a tumbler from your design and it works great. Thanks bud.
Some very cool stuff you do! Beautiful work on the many castings! I hope to get into doing some metal casting soon as well. You have some great talent!
You are very kind ! Thanks a bunch and I am sure you will love pouring all kinds of things.
One heck of a flashlight that flame
the iron impurities is what gives ruby the red colour
Nope, it's chromium that gives the red color.
@@ElementalMaker your right, what are you using alumina?
@@ElementalMaker if you are using alumina scrap that and order corundum powder it is aluminium oxide but its the very one that is ruby with chromium is a pigment ebay has corundum powder i just looked
Good idea but your torch would need to in a vacuum or a powerful LASER for eviroment factrs or us other hand....
No vacuum needed as these are oxides.
About the purity: What you have there is Diaspore. It is the intermediate state of Aluminium Hydroxide going to Aluminium Oxide. The Hydroxide starts giving off waters when it is heated to more than 100 degrees C. To totally convert to Aluminium Oxide, you have to bring it to more than 400C. Also, your HHO flame is not pure Hydrogen and Oxygen; if it was pure your flame would be completely invisible! Guess you are not using inert electrodes in your setup.
With usinh impure Carundom you are going to change the color for sure..I would have used A super magnit first that a was stong and dry. You might make off color sapphires if you don't mill the aluminum down and wash it after pulling the impurites with a N.magnit , FINAL Protduct use a uv not fluresnt blus "shop" light spectrum of light and colours wave.
Ruby is a crystal so it may never form in that dish you need a seed crystal in a pot of molten ingredients with the molten mass rotating slowly down to the point where crystals can form then stopping rotation allowing the seed to start the process. Very simplistic way of saying it but it gets the point across. You might be able to get access to a small kiln used for making silicon it's made just for doing this.
Try making an induction coil for this, instead of a torch.
Induction heaters only work with METALS, not for metal oxides. BTW if you try to use a metal container eh, well... it will melt long before reaching the right temperature (ok, ok maybe a tungsten container stand a chance)
Go to a junk yard and get the smallest original catalytic converter you can find once you have it take a small piece of around 10mm² or 1cm² or 3/8"² I think not sure on the last one that's an American and Canadian thing or old-school before my time.
Anyway now you have that you'll need to take a bit of a clothes hanger to make a small housing for it because you need to hit it from below with your hho torch.
PLATINUM WILL GLOW LIKE YOU WON'T BELIEVE WITH THAT HHO BLASTING AT IT AND ONCE GLOWING YOU CAN REDUCE THE FLAME UNTIL YOU CAN'T SEE IT AT ALL BUT THE SMALL CUBE LIT UP BRIGHTER THAN THE SUN.
Surrounding it with photovoltaic solar cells would be interesting to see.
A guy here on UA-cam used to have some videos on it called Camelloops but he went missing after the last California wild/buildings fire.
Obviously if you don't want contaminants in your cat then new would be best but the copy catalytic converters are nowhere near as good as an original from a good manufacturer.
I used to think welding was bright until I saw a piece of cat being hit with a hho torch.
Great videos
Seams you enjoy the limelight.
Could you see how tan it made my face? Love it.
I made the hho generator
Nice! Glad to hear it! How is it working for you? Any good projects lined up for it?
ElementalMaker hi thank for replying I have melted many soda cans with it so far
Have you had any of that weird steel eating thing happen ?
ProCactus no not yet
Nice
Try putting it under pressure and heat.
The immortal Zeus in action! Also you realize you can get a real man size mortal and pestel in slate and works way better especially for a man with your hands!!!!!!!!
Yeah I have a couple bigger ones, but they are too big for small amounts of chemicals like I used here. I just need to get a bunch of cheap coffee grinders. Those things are the best.
I'd try more heat like a tig welder or something
That's a great idea! I'll have to give my tig a shot!
time to use that home made kiln
Purity I think might be very important. You need better aluminium oxide
It'll be here in two days. 99.6% supposedly!
Thats not iron contamination. Its manganese contamination.
Ruby material need to fall through the flame.
5:57 "Multimeter"? That's a weird name for your wife
Graphite Crucible and an arc welder
Dasu Švajcarci tako pravili rubine , nebi mi imali ručne časovnike nikada !????
as a Gemological Institute of America trained gemologist:
you want to do the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verneuil_process.
your problem you are trying to bake a cake with a blow torch not a oven.
your are not using a seed crystal
you do not need pressure for ruby.
you are trying to make a cake by put taking a bowl of flower and a whole
uncracked egg, then setting your plumber's torch to the pile of flower and
whole egg at 350 for 2 hours and not getting a wedding cake.
you are following the directions to make a cake like a actual robot take
flower and egg together and bake for 2 hours at 350.
try pinching and dropping the alum and chromium over your seed crystal
on a turn table in a h2 gas powered kiln(oven)
most rubies are made in India at a rate no one is undercutting in price.
believe me I looked into it.
I don't think many of them can afford to use expensive precursors
also crystallization and recrystallization can be used as a high
quality purification method, you need high quality to start but
it is frequently how you get to perfect.
crystals need the right environment for their type, think about
making candy. you should make candy successfully first then
think about the rubies in that way. what things were really important.
how did things change when you made the sugar impure with salt
or something. did you need a different temperature conditions for
crystallization. how would you do candy differently if you were caramelize
toasting a cream bolay crust with a torch. would you hold it in one spot
or try to make even heat by moving the torch around. if you are going to use
a torch you should try to make even stable heat.
I say these things not to insult but to help you with your project.
if you do it right you will get rings from the different pinching levels,
that look cool under magnification.
you might not be able to see them if it's not gem,
if you don't make a gem quality product.
synthetic gems are great to sell but you should always disclose
exactly what you are selling 100% of the time.
although it's frequently not reported/enforced proper disclosure is
in most legal systems as a serious crime. a lot of times these are
old laws that come from a more draconian time, like horse theft. just be
honest about it. such as "the same elements as natural ruby at a better price!"
"one was made in the earth one was made by science"
"computer chips have less then pennies worth of silicon yet
we sell those for far more then their ingredients cost." also works with
pharmaceuticals. their are lot of ways you can be honest and sell
synthetic gems for a amount that reflects all the work and overhead put in to
their production.
Epic
Thanks Christopher!
You need a seed crystal to start it.
Applied Science type of deal here.
I appreciate it but that guy is doing stuff way out of my league! LOL
purify it with acid, contaminants will dissolve and the oxide will not
Problem is the primary contaminant is MgO, which is very difficult to separate chemically.
next time, cut off the top and bottoms of the cans and don't use them cause they have the mg
but that is a big oof
try ammonia, MgO is soluble in ammonia
I think