*Explore MotorInc memberships* at youtube.com/@motorinc/join *Chapters* 00:00:00 Crash Tests & Safety 00:01:11 What's A Crash Test 00:03:00 Lab Test vs The Real World 00:05:00 Accidents vs Crash Tests 00:06:58 Optional Crash Test Ratings 00:10:38 Too Pro Manufacturer? 00:13:26 Are Cars Really Safe? 00:15:14 Ratings Aren't Comprehensive 00:18:49 The Injury Scale 00:22:59 Not User-friendly! 00:24:05 Child Seats Required 00:28:26 You Cause The Crash Part 1 00:32:00 Protect Yourself 00:33:18 Drive Better 00:36:27 Avoid Crashes! 00:37:45 Better Cars Look Worse 00:39:35 Do You Drive Well Enough? 00:41:26 Causing Harm 00:42.54 Really Understand Crash Ratings 00:45:21 Active Safety Matters More 00:46:20 How Safety Progresses 00:52:04 Older Cars and Safety 00:53:29 Do the Hard Thing 00:54:05 Choose To Be Safer 00:55:52 Your Mistake or Theirs? 00:58:30 Not Crashing Is Better! 01:00:33 The Next Episode *Links* _The BNCAP Document via MORTH_ morth.nic.in/sites/default/files/ASI/Draft%20AIS%20197%20.pdf _Crash Ratings vs Accident Data_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49655075_Comparison_Between_Euro_NCAP_Test_Results_and_Real-World_Crash_Data#:~:text=For%20all%20comparisons%2C%205%2Dstar,was%2068%20±%2032%20percent. _or_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49655075_Comparison_Between_Euro_NCAP_Test_Results_and_Real-World_Crash_Data#:~:text=For%20all%20comparisons%2C%205%2Dstar,was%2068%20±%2032%20percent.
Why can't they do crash test by considering the worst case scenario? Why don't standards quote the worst case such as trucks? For medical devices, FDA & ISO ,EU have strict regulations for worst case scenario
@@craveforcinema9560 Because beyond a certain point, 5 and 0 star might perform alike. And that won't be a marketable material for the companies to show their products superior. Also what can be considered a worst case is subjective. Getting under a bus? Crushed under a battle tank? Jumping from cliff to a lake? The moment you consider and standardize one of such conditions is the same moment it gets 'controlled' and becomes a lab test. Real world has many variables playing. One can have a tyre burst resulting in jumping off the cliff, other might be brakes failing, other can be already being hit by a truck. A car's crash safety performance will perform differently at each of these three situations, however they're ending off a cliff in all of these.
What a brilliant episode! This must be shown to everyone who is buying a car! I worked in the legal department of a leading insurance company and was handling third party claims. Basically, I was part of the system that deals with the aftermath of the accidents that happen. A vast majority of the accidents happened because of driver error and I have seen families been destroyed because the driver wasn't careful enough. Simple things like drive 5kmph slower, wear seatbelts, slowdown before making turns, dont rage out when somebody overtook you, etc., will make a massive difference. The five star car may end up saving your life but it won't help you to avoid destroying the family of the other party involved in the crash. Back in 1992, I lost my father to what was a very minor collision between an autorickshaw and a scooter coming out of a petrol bunk. My father was riding pillion on the scooter and if he was wearing helmet, he would have been alive. It's been 32 years since then and i still can't fathom why there are people riding around without helmets. Similarly my uncle got into a crash once and what saved the family were seatbelts. The number of people who drive without seatbelts even today is simply astounding. The crash tests try to figure out what happens in a crash and how a car will perfom in that one set of conditions which have been approximated to mimic what the designers of the test thought was the best approximation. Real world is chaotic. By controling what you can do to avoid getting into a crash, by doing all that you can to drive safely, not just so you can protect yourself and your family or the passengers, but also those around you, you automatically and dramatically reduce the probability of ever needing all those stars. I think there should also be a video where Shumi and Karthikeya can go about a whole bucket list of obvious but absolutely necessary things people can do to to become better drivers, a whole hour of content that after seeing, people can go, damn, that was obvious, why wasnt i doing this in the first place. I think content like this episode and every tip that you guys give for people to become better drivers, will only help in reducing the accidents. Glad I am a member. Thank you once again!
Hey @MrSMK21! Glad you found the podcast episode helpful! Thanks for the suggestion for the better driving oriented podcast/video too! And thank you for our generosity. It means the world to us!
Instincts before ego people , the guy who just overtook me stopped at the same light , this happens everyday. If you're in a hurry speeding isn't gonna get you there , speed when you know you can for sure . "your mind has better TC and ABS than any bike / car trust it not your ego " - EX police driver .(not me)
Agreed . Want to add something here- Don't speed ever.. Go at your own pace.. I drive at 60-70kmph in normal traffic as well because that is my usual comfortable speed. I have tested myself a thousand times and I know my limit is around 90-100 kmph in city so I go 10kmph slower. If someone drop from the sky I know I can stop comfortably. Ofcourse there is an if, if I'm not distracted or careless.
Brilliant stuff Shumi and Kartikey 🙌This piece of content offers a comprehensive overview of the broad topic of automotive safety. Crash tests provide a basic understanding of a car's construction and its potential performance under certain conditions, though these conditions can vary significantly in the real world. The key aspect to focus on in a crash test is the stability of the vehicle's structure. While airbags are valuable additions, the ability of the car's shell to absorb impact is of paramount importance. After observing various crash tests, including some 'sponsored’ ones, a critical question arises for manufacturers: Have they designed their cars to achieve higher scores in crash tests, or to genuinely protect occupants? There have been several real-world crashes involving certain brands where the vehicles have easily toppled. This is just one example of many, but the Global NCAP tests seem to overshadow these crucial aspects of safety. We need to adopt a more holistic view of automotive safety, beyond just the safety ratings.
There are two variations of ABC that I try to be mindful of at all times. 1. 'Always Be Cautious" - Be cautious of yourself. Be cautious of others. 2. 'Always Be Caring' - Arguably the more important thought. Be considerate. Be patient. Be kind. Remember that we all have friends, partners, family, jobs, EMIs, rent, dreams and more. And we're all just trying to go from point A to point B. Be it on the road or through life. Thank you for attending my TED talk !
Insightful! We need conversations about safety to be around roads, infrastructure, rules, fines, potholes, licence tests and so much more… We deserve this with the number of vehicles on our roads and the accidents we have.
Yes but all of these depend on the govt. So talking and expecting things is........... well you know what im gonna say. Just recently, didnt the govt say something along the lines of - driving schools themselves can issue licenses instead of the useless department, sorry, i mean, the rto, and that they wont be responsible for it? That part was funny to me. Was the rto accepting responsibility before?
I just completed my masters in Mass communication & these podcasts does feel like I am attending a lecture on Automobile journalism. The way these guys simplify things & explain every tiny details, is remarkable. Keep going guys , we need such podcasts to educate masses on such topics
@@motorinc Thank you. No I don't have any job in hand right now. I'm looking for one. But before that , for some reason my pancreas is producing too much insulin which is troubling me in my daily routine life , I need to get it sort out first. It's been 3 years like this & just last week I got to know that I might have a small tumor in my pancreas which could be the reason behind overproduction of insulin. I got no choice but to focus on my health first. Oops Oversharing 😅 But thanks guys.
Man! I don’t think we Indians can ever understand the conversation.. You guys are AMAZING! The depth in your knowledge is mind blowing. We are a country where people protest against helmets being mandatory. We think about accidents until it happens in our own family or May be when it happens to us!
Guys can you please discuss in a podcast about how bad driving is actually something that contributes to the chaotic traffic jams, higher wear and tear of vehicles, increases overall stress levels and subsequently health of the average citizen? This in turn affects the economy due to poorer health, loss of time with drastically low average speeds/high fuel consumption in our country = lower productivity. Also people go out less due to fears of traffic jams contriburing to businesses struggling. Loss of loved ones in traffic accidents throws families out of financial stability and puts some people into poverty. Some things to be implemented to solve a majority of these problems: * teach the importance of lane discipline/clearly marked lanes * we need to introduce comprehensive driving test overhauls and make everyone recertify themselves over a 7 year period - ideally copy the curriculum of germany. - this is especially necessary for commercial vehicles. * Import road use hygiene/etiquette/culture from the north east. * Also define criteria for submitting complaints with dashcam footage on drivers breaking rules, this will help enforce rules in a decentralised manner. Would be great to listen to you guys discussing this.
The point at 37:10 is such a great one! Taking motorsport as an example, an F1 car crashed at the Marina Bay Street Circuit last year and social media went abuzz saying "Oh my God the car has such poor safety as it looked like it broke into pieces" but little did they know that that was an indicator that the car was doing its job in protecting the driver well and that was the reason the driver walked away with just minor injuries!
Yes that's true, but there is also the difference between a well made crumple zone and just weak front end. What matters is that how much of impact was absorbed and whatever impact force was remaining after that should not reach passengers for it to be serious. For example maruti cars have crumple zone but it is too weak that it can't restrain the impact to itself. This is also a fact that should be considered. So, bad looking car after an accident is good till some point, after that it is really bad
@@vasujadav2772 A car with "weak frontend" aka crumple-zone will protect whilash/spinal cord injuries, the cabin needs to be strong and protect from any direct impact from outside .... that weak-frontend is essentially last line of defense in terms of "Braking" Also , if you think strong/rigid metal bodies makes a safer car , then retrofit some airbags and seatbelt inside ambassador , that'd also get 5-star safety in G-NCAP.
@@ankitsharma203 bro you didn't understand what i said, i said the same thing that crumple zone is necessary but it also should be atleast srong enough to prevent shock from reaching cabin
@@vasujadav2772 but that thing is very difficult to design for example , 1) crumple zone designed for collision of 60kmph will work perfectly at speed from 40-80 , at lower speed it won't crumple but whiplash won't be too serious either 2) a car designed to absorb collision of 100 kmph , will perform well from 80-120 , but in those cars when you collide at slow speed say 60 , you'll have to withstand the whiplash now you have to figure what speed collision you're more likely to be into. and if you happen to be in collision of 100kmph in a 60kmph crumple zone , then you definitely want a strong and rigid cabin to protect you. So all i'm trying to say is I want strong cabins from manufacturer nothing much. BTW crumple zones also slows down "the projectiles" aka loose objects in you car that might impale you.
I hope this conversation reaches many people, both of you have done justice to this topic. I would like to also add that, lights, reflectors and mirrors are also very important to safety discussion. Simple, basic maintenance will help us not become active hazards on the street.
This comment is in regard to your next episode. I wanted to thank Shumi and share that i am 22 years old and i had purchased my first bike 2 and half years ago which is the continental gt650. I had learnt riding on a splendor ismart for two weeks and applied for license and went to book the bike. I remember following Shumi for a long time back then and following simplified series particularly. It was watching him and learning from him for years that gave me confidence as well the understanding of what skills i absolutely needed to acquire on a motorcycle, whatever its power may be. Today i can proudly say that my motorcycling journey so far has been a absolute delight and safe. If it wasn’t for shumi ,i wouldn’t have been able to unlock motorcycling to such extent, especially given what the social media is offering to new aspiring young kids in terms of motorcycling content today.
As a data science enthusiast I am very happy that Shumi has spoken about the "correlation" aspect and the backend team has done some extensive study on the data models before saying such conclusions .....Would love to see the dataset from which you derived the conclusion.
I know some guys who think that driving a car recklessly, overtaking with close calls, speeding unnecessarily is "skills" and when i tell them hey drive carefully, they (not talking about me in the third person) say "don't worry i got this, I'm skilled" or "don't be a p*ssy". As you said, you can buy a car with all the stars for safety but you cannot buy good driving etiquettes
It is Awesome that you guys are taking pains of reading documents and presenting such great quality content.. In the month of April i travelled to Kerela with my wife and son (9 months old) and we carried the car seat with us.. It was a logistic hassle.. I had to pay a bit extra at the airport.. But I didn’t mind it.. We were driving in a rented car with my son in the car seat .. Wife was in the backseat with seatbelt on.. Last month my wife and my son went to her place and the car seat went with them.. Whenever they go out, my son sits in the car seat.. Slowly, there is a cultural change that we are trying to bring in our families by requesting our parents and siblings to wear seatbelts in the rear seat as well.. Sometimes the idea is not taken in the letter and spirit but we continue to insist..
My sister had a small crash on her scooter, everyone else was coddling her and I just said understand it’s your mistake and you won’t crash again. She was very upset with me, I’ve sent her a clip of this video now. Hopefully you guys have managed to get through.
This talk is much needed. Beyond a set of certain circumstances, beyond a certain speed, nothing can save anyone. The marketing of star rating is creating a certain false sense of immortality 😅.. which gives birth to a certain elitism in social media online..
A passionate case against an overemphasis on crash test ratings, albeit one that is undermined, in my opinion, by some critical logical flaws and inconsistencies. As a disclaimer, I should point out that neither do I drive a 5-star-rated car, nor is that parameter going to be a deal-breaker (or clincher) for me when buying my next car; I am not personally vested in this debate. One of the main issues I take with your argument is the false dichotomy between prioritising driver skill and relying on safety features. These are not mutually exclusive approaches to road safety. They both can and should play important roles. You may say that you aren't entirely dismissing the value of safety features, but respectfully, I believe your argument overemphasises driver skill to the point of downplaying the relevance of crash test ratings. And that it is being presented as a binary choice. If it is really true that the average Indian car buyer obsesses over crash safety ratings and trivialises the importance of driver skills, it seems to me that you’re just doing the same, but in the opposite direction. What’s more, I contend that your use of statistics and data doesn’t actually support the point that you’re trying to make. You mention that most accidents are caused by driver error, and that most crashes are single-car crashes. Based on this, you argue that driver skill is the most important factor in road safety. But you’re ignoring the base rate - the total number of car trips and driving situations that occur without any accidents. Let's say there are a million car trips in a given year, and a thousand of them result in accidents. And that out of those thousand accidents, 90% are caused by driver error. Sounds like a lot, but it’s actually only 900 out of the total one million trips. The vast majority of trips - 999,100 - didn’t result in any accidents at all, REGARDLESS of driver skill. (Shumi says this himself at some point, but went elsewhere with it.) If we really want use data to understand the role of driver skill in road safety, we need to look at the accident rates for drivers of different skill levels across all trips, not just the proportion of accidents caused by driver error. This doesn't mean that driver skill is unimportant or that we shouldn't strive to improve driver training and education. But it does suggest that focusing solely on driver skill as the primary solution to road safety may be misguided, and I think the statistics again bear me out on this, in more ways than one. For example, the notion that if you're a highly skilled driver, you'll be much less likely to get into an accident - actually, over time, your likelihood of getting into an accident tends to converge towards the average accident rate for all drivers, regardless of your individual skill level. In other words, being a highly skilled driver does not make you immune to regression to the mean. Over time, your accident risk will tend towards the average risk for all drivers. And as Taleb might point out, you’re ignoring the fact that rare events can and do have disproportionate effects on outcomes. Even if the vast majority of accidents are caused by driver error, the rare instances of equipment failure or external factors can still have a catastrophic impact on overall fatalities and injuries. Besides, crash safety features are designed to protect occupants when accidents occur, regardless of the cause. Dismissing their relevance because most crashes are due to driver error is a non-sequitur that ignores the potential benefits these features can provide in mitigating the consequences of accidents. Even if it is true that 90% of accidents are caused by driver error and that most crashes are single-car crashes, dismissing the probability of a vehicle with “superior” safety features (at least, on paper) providing benefits over one with lesser features, seems rather a bit of an overreach. All other things being equal, if a car is involved in a crash, it is reasonable to expect that one with a 5-star crash rating will perform in some measurable way better than one with a 1-star safety rating. That performance delta holds true regardless of whether you’re a highly skilled driver or an atrocious one. And the “5-star safety ratings make you a more careless or reckless driver,” argument is wild! By that logic, you wearing motorcycle safety gear when you ride a motorcycle arguably makes you a more reckless rider. After all, if for some reason, you had to ride the same motorcycle in the same conditions without any safety gear, wouldn’t you ride even more cautiously than you normally do? Ergo, all riders using safety gear are automatically a greater hazard to themselves and others. Seems a bit much. While it's fair to point out potential limitations and flaws in the crash test ratings system, dismissing the entire enterprise of crash testing as a mere marketing ploy doesn’t make your argument more credible. All in all, I think this comes down to some variation of the “the risks I am okay with are sensible, the risks you are okay with are stupid,” argument that is so widely prevalent in the automotive enthusiast community as a whole. Still, a thoroughly engaging and entertaining video (as always), and anything that produces discussion is always welcome. Thank you, and keep going!
@@pchardwareexplorer9695 I did watch the entire video. At no point in my comment did I claim that they said that safety features don't matter, but yes, I take your point: invalidating crash safety ratings may not have been their intention. But if you scroll through the comments on this video, you'll quickly see that regardless of whatever their intention was, the takeaway that a lot of folks seem to be getting from this is, "just ignore crash safety ratings, and focus on being a better driver." Which, look, I embrace on a personal level, but I don't believe that it is an objective and dispassionate point of view. And it's arguably not a great thing to be encouraging drivers to do, because, let's face it, how many of us really do all the things that we know we should be doing? We know we should eat better, we know we should exercise more often, we know we should use gadgets less, we know we should hydrate more, and on and on, but that doesn't stop us from persisting in our habits. Improving one's driving skills is likely no different. In all probability, most of the folks who leave this video aren't suddenly going to buy tickets to fly to a Swiss driving school. But the next time they're buying a car, they might just think, "Those car experts said crash safety ratings don't matter." So, I think it's really debatable whether this advice makes anybody any safer.
I had my eyes opened today . Thank you and the team for this wonderful episode. I did know that the driver is the one who needs to be more attentive and responsible on the roads , but the whole shenanigans behind the NCAP tests and how its used to mislead people was a great eyeopener. This content is not something we see in other channels and thank you for spitting facts like they were.
So after watching full episode, "I" think I'm convinced that: 1. I need to work on my driving skills to minimise the probability of getting crashed. 2. Crash ratings should not be the final decision making criteria for car buying process. BUT still, I won't be able to neglect crash test ratings if I have a decision to make between two shortlisted vehicles before buying one. Thanks. Be considerate, be patient! ✌🏻
Amazing content as always, also very true about the point of other drivers.. as rider for over 8 years on both highway and city, I personally feel you can learn the art of anticipation.. Also some rules I follow: 1. Ride fast only when visibility is good. 2. Slow down for all village crossing and intersection and expect someone to crash onto u 3. Before changing lanes or overtaking look at the front tyres of cars ahead to anticipate where they would turn 4. Never road rage or race.. 5. Think of doing it Long term so I can be as safe as possible now.. And some of these rules are learned from u Shumi 😅.. thanks for the teachings..
The sole reason I never got any attachment on the mirror or dashboard like idols or hang anything on th IRVM is that it turns into a projectile during an accident! Read it years ago and it's always stayed with me.
@@Michael-Angh imagine you're cruising at 80kmph in the middle lane on NH 48 and you encounter a broken down stationary truck in the middle of the lane, (this has happened with me btw, I barely avoided collision) and you crash into the back of that truck. Now things have gone from 80kmph to 0kmph in a matter of seconds, so things will fly at you from the front of the car like broken windshield bits AND anything that was kept on the dashboard. So if you had a stone idol on the dashboard, there is a very high chance it will fly at you along with the shards of glass already flying at you. Any such object can hit you or the passenger in critical areas like eyes and skull and a 1000 other damaging ways. Hence it is always recommended to not keep any loose objects around the car. A driver once lost his life because a Bisleri water bottle fell down and lodged itself between the brake pedal and the floor of the car and he couldn't brake!
Love how serious these talks are, making sure we understand the "gravity" and responsibility we carry in everyday life. Your constant reminders shows how much you guys care. Awesome content💖
Such a necessary video. I have been told so many times that I have got a crap car in terms of safety when I got the Ignis in 2020. Apparently, the door doesn't close with a thud🥲 I have observed keeping calm and being patient on the roads automatically adds 2 stars to the car and the passengers within. It helps in better application of the skills as well and doesn't cloud the judgement through ego.
These experts don't know anything, my grandfather met with an accident in our 2009 Alto, the car managed well in that accident (it was his mistake a careless overtake) he hit a Mahindra major Car crumpled and the safety shell was pretty solid. But the Jeep got its chassis bent, front leaf suspension broken etc, The thing is if we test both these vehicles GNCAP will rate Alto with negative stars and Mahindra a 1 star 😂 but in real world this Alto will be a saviour ❤
This Podcast disconnected the myths of crash tests! Never thought about the tests this way - The variables at play. Ofcourse we know the details but putting the pieces of puzzle together, its what changed my perspective. That's what you did in just an hour that I couldn't see through over years. Especially the concept of deformation of the car build and the inertia of the crash being tranmistted to the passengers.....damn that's simple physics and totally makes sense. I think this episode have been phenomenal. I got to learn a hell lot. Superb!!
Man these two men are literally putting me in zen mode by making podcasts that sounds like a meditative session. So true and it’s all well said in such a respectful way…. Wowww ❤❤❤❤ I wud like to exchange knowledge with you guys over a cup of coffee one fine day … plz keep doing this social service 🙏
Watching the podcasts brought some major changes the way I used to think in the past 6 months or so: 1. I take more care of my existing cars 2. I drive more carefully, and with much more patience, which in return has made me enjoy what I love most (Driving) 3. I make sure to give way to others more now 4. I have reduced cursing at others while on the road, I still curse but at much frequency than before ;) 5. Learnt a lot about safety and driving sense in general I strongly recommend, whoever is reading my comments to go checkout all the podcasts of this channel, they are a masterclass teaching you what you might have missed or never learned in the first place when you started driving.
Do you think it is sensible to buy car with 0-2 stars crash test rating? I agree that most accidents are avoidable even if you didn't cause it, but all you need is one crash to change your life, right? It is 100% possible to be involved in a potentially fatal crash even you're going under the speed limits and aware of your surroundings. This video has convinced me to get off the crash test craze. IMO at least 3 stars are necessary in accordance with todays standards.
In the end, the main takeaway I got which Shumi covered in another video take ownership of your driving/riding. Improving your skills and maintaining situational awareness is the key. I am learning to ride and this channel and advices by both the gentleman has helped me tremendously to ride a little better everyday.
1. 5:20 - Infact in USA, the IIHS was created literally by Insurance companies so that they can force car manufacturers to make safer cars which would in return benefit the Insurance companies, LOL. 2. 11:34 - Tata in Shambles, haha. 3. 26:23 - LMAOO, It's funny to see how Schumi isn't very sensitized but Kartik is. 4. 42:15 - PTSD after a crash is a very real thing and we so often ignore how fragile life is, a split of second is all it takes for someone to just cease to exist.
1. Safer cars do benefit insurance companies - paying for people is a lot more expensive than paying for car parts. 3. Shumi's always messing with Kartikeya 🤣 4. Yes. Spot on!
I hope people take this seriously and understand how you should prevent a crash rather than depend on Star ratings. Wonderful episode Karthik & Shumi! I am grateful that we as Motorcyclists/Enthusiasts have a voice through you guys now. Keep this up. I love what you guys are doing. Looking forward to upgrade myself with each of your priceless discussions.
I believe such intellectual talks and topics, awareness programs should be part of a mandatory periodic refresher training to retain the licenses. It might not help instantly, but I’m sure it would definitely have significant impact over a longer period.
It is so important for a regular person to know and understand these things. Because in today's world a lot of people are blindly running behind safety ratings disregarding necessary things like the driveability of a car.
Thank you for talking about this. This episode was a real eye opener. Two takeaways that I think are important: 1. Buy a car irrespective of its "safety rating" as long as it meets your needs. 2. Don't drive like an idiot. If you encounter idiots on the road be patient and let them do their thing.
Hey Anirudh! _Feels safe to you_ and _I'm in control_ is the first layer of the safety evaluation. This will create confident driving, which helps point 2 as well. Then comes the backup plan to this, which can be the safety rating, to some extent.
Bring it on more ! Guys , I am feeling privileged to listen the complete podcast. Every podcast always a eye opener for different views. I enjoy this a lot.
@@motorinc 🙂 but jokes apart I have had the bad luck of being in some accidents and I know how scary that is. I particularly had two motorcycle accidents within a span of 50 days and that caused me so much trauma that I did not get back onto the motorcycle for about 6-7 months.
Hat’s off for the sheer research and hard work. Your willingness to put efforts and break down complicated stuff into simple terms is commendable. Thank you Motorinc
this topic shines the biggest difference between something like WV/SKODA/FORD where safety is already a given to the point that they never even advertise it and something like TATA where they scream from rooftops how safe their cars are even though they build cars specifically to pass the tests and not for users.
but what happens in india is companies just bring unsafe cars that it becomes important for indian company to scream about safety.... which if u look closer then tata and mahindra did made other companies like renault, hyundai and other companies to bring better safer cars in india at competitive price....
Incorrect - VW markets Taigun as India's safest SUV - its the first thing on their website, the brochure has the Global NCAP rating on page 1. I remember seeing Skoda test drive cars having safest sedan printed on their sides. There may be many things wrong with Tata cars but to say they only scream safety is wrong. They must be appreciated for at least making safety one factor buyers consider while making purchase decision, thereby forcing every other car maker improve their product quality.
Over my experiences as a driver over the last 5 years, i was reaching a point where everyone around me felt i was a safe driver. I always tried to learn from mistakes i saw other drivers make but off late i reached a saturation point and felt i was safe enough. This video was a wake up call, thank you for putting your thoughts across so clearly!
Hands down the best automotive content in India. Absolutely worth getting into the habit of spending a little extra for honest and critical auto journalism that we otherwise, struggle to access. If the content you engage with is free, you are the product. That is a media reality Indians need to get acquainted with. And I am so happy that two career journalists have taken the step to keep auto journalism independent. Fantastic work Motorinc. So happy I took the membership route. Excited to be a part of this journey and cannot wait for the next video to drop. ps: For the next video, y'all could look at buying used? Basic stuff to look out for and more detailed slab-by slab account of what cars to buy in each price bracket, going up all the way to say 10lakhs? That would be novel and with you two at the helm of that endeavor; worth spending 'time' (to quote Shumi) on. To crudely paraphrase Kartikeya, automobiles have been at their pinnacle wrt engineering, for the last 3-5 years. So if one were to keep that as a reference point, what all would work per slab?
I am so so so glad that you are guys are talking the right thing. 100/100. I knew a guy from teambhp who was deliberately given infractions and thrown out of team-bhp because he was talking against the safety issues of Maruti and Hyundai. He had presented all the facts and figures from his research and referred papers from NHTSA as well. This happened when a lady started a thread in teambhp asking for legal advise when she lost her husband in Hyundai Tucson rollover crash. This was some 10 years back. The A-B-C pillar of Tucson was questionable. There were also discussion about the great Maruti Swift Crumple zone hypocrisy (their export model had better crumple zone). The owner of teambhp(GTO) threw out the contributors and deleted the facts presented. We read between the lines about potential kickbacks from Maruti and Hyundai and silently attrited from Teambhp.
My 13 year-old Maruti Ritz was involved in an accident last year when a traffic police personnel suddenly stopped vehicles in the fast lane. The car I was following stopped, I screeched to a halt without locking up the wheel (remember the Ritz VXi never had ABS) and the Baleno driver behind me stopped in time too. However, a group of young drivers in their Honda WRV rammed into us from the rear, eventually causing a pile-up accident. My phone on the dashboard holder became a projectile and zoomed past my face to the boot. The car absorbed the impact by defornimg the rear hatch , rear bumper, the bonnet and the frontbumper. Since me and my friend were wearing the seat belts, we came out unscathed. The front passenger in the car behind us wasn't wearing the belt and got injured. Although people in my circle urged me to get a car with airbags, ABS, ADAS and what not, I continue to drive it with utmost caution. I get laughed at/mocked by idiots (both outside and inside the car) for driving like an uncle but I have developed a greater sense of spatial awareness ever since the accident. Mirrors are my friends and nothing stays loose on the dashboard anymore. The same goes for my motorcycle rides, where I prefer to go slow, keep an idea of what's happening behind me, and have total control over the vehicle. Kudos to Schumi and Karthik for speaking up on vehicle safety. As a budding automotive writer, I am glad to see experts discussing these boldly.
Thank You MotorInc. I am recovering from a two wheeler crash and I can say with experience that not having a crash is always the better option regardless of the number of wheels. Watching everything in life hit a pause for the next 6-8 months is also a point of consideration from multiple aspects like its impact on family, finances profession and time. Kartik, everything that you said 👍 All active safety measures will have the biggest impact starting with driving education and enforcement. And like Shumi said that's the right but the hard way 😊
Engrossing conversation as always. A few thoughts 10:34 - Shumi's surprise at test standards aligning with manufacturers' requirements is unexpected. Government regulation often begins with an ideal service of consumer interests and is then cut down to what the industry says it can manage. To be clear, I don't imply any party involved is specifically evil. Just that population based safety standards may work in the aggregate but they aren't meant to save individual lives. Guaranteeing individually specific safety is highly impractical and very expensive. 33:48 - NCAP, ISI, DOT, N95, USB, IPX, CE and infinitely more standards of all kinds end up being used as marketing tools imho. Otherwise, the consortiums of companies that pour money and talent into developing them "in collaboration with" testing bodies would never see returns. Not that it means they're all worthless but it's important to be aware of the possible motivation bias creeping within the structures and implementation of these standards.
This is the most important session for every car owner. This is covered for old cars and new cars as well. I agree with your safe points. We have to be more vigilant while driving a car. I have been driving my Santro for 13 years and no crash happened. As Karthik said, maintain the car properly. If you take care of your car, it will take care back for sure. It will take you wherever you want safely.
Hey Finally a place where I can rant about the harms of quantification of crash test rating I absolutely despise the fact that we have tried to quantify crash test rating because the layman assumes it is the safety rating of the car but its not Also this rating gives a weird false safety net to driver of the vehicle that if there is crash he will not be harmed and will drive less cautiously or become a complete douche-bag. I have just recently started commuting using my scooter and the number of people who fly with their cars in narrow streets is absolutely mind boggling Your advise does help alot of young drivers so never stop this guys. And thanks to your advise Of being "slow and smooth will eventually lead to faster riding or driving" with riding is such a great help (And no unnecessary honking) But yeah now the next advise which I trying to inculcate is that ABC of "Always be caring " At times due to bad mood swings of mine I maybe quite rude but I am working on it. And Kartikeya's advise of imagining the drivers to be your relatives is helping me reach that point. Just Thanking you guys again to guide us young riders and drivers to be better versions of ourselves
There is no age limit buddy. We all assume young riders are the ones who make mistakes. Just come to Hyderabad and see for yourself. The sheer stupidity on the road will drive you crazy.
@@dr.ananthakrishnavemuri733I hear you brother. I see weird ways people crash. My friend I will discuss about what are possibilities to end up like that.
If this helps anyone. I remembered reading some research (publication details unavailable) about what makes a good driver. Interestingly, the key factor wasn't just the number of crashes one has, but a mindset. Hundreds of drivers were surveyed, and many experienced drivers highlighted the importance of constantly asking "What if?" This mental habit keeps you alert and prepared. Imagine: "What if I overtake now?" "What if I don't use my indicator?" or "What if the car behind me tries to pass?" By anticipating potential situations, your brain can formulate solutions and react faster, leading to safer driving. This "what if?" approach is a valuable reminder, and I wanted to share it here. Thank you for all the informative content - it's like a free daily masterclass!
I think car manufacturers should atleast provide 4 star rated cars with stable bodyshell & also provide programs that spread awareness & improve the skill of the drivers
@@motorinc isn't this whataboutery? Safety regulations are not set in stone, they keep developing. Till the time no one dies in a car crash, there will be improvements. If we are demanding a 4/5 star car FOR NOW, what's wrong with that? Screen sizes inside cars change, does that mean you'll stop people from asking a 10 incher if in the future 15 inches will become standard?
Thanks Kartikeya, Shumi, and the entire @Motorinc team for improving our community by such high quality content. Every day I wait eagerly for your next upload and stop and just listen whenever you guys post something, esp in ThisConnect series. You guys are debunking my wrong beliefs, helping me recognize and correct my bad practices, and making me a better rider and driver! Lots of love for the wonderful work you are doing, thank you so much!!
Hi guys im a sr. Citizen from Mumbai and your channel is like a breath of fresh air among the cacophony of channels reviewing cars undressing them from wheels to roofrails. The only thing left to do is to look underneath (chassis). Please do not change your format for whatsoever reason by showing the interiors of cars as suggested by someone like ... This is the gear box, this is s the glove box etc. anybody who wants to see the interiors of cars can always enter a showroom & gloat to their hearts content. The stock photos u show now & then when explaining a point is adequate . CONGRATULATIONS
This podcast truly opened my eyes. Back in 2018, when I was in the market for a car with a budget of 5 to 6 lakhs, I considered options like the Swift, i10, and Tiago. However, I chose the Tiago, primarily because it was the first 4-star safe car available my decision was influenced by my wife's discomfort with traditional seatbelts, (preferring those with height adjusters). Although I had to compromise on certain features like airbags and ESP, watching this episode made me realize the folly in our consumer choices. While I still harbor reservations towards Maruti for their lightweight and seemingly inferior build quality, I acknowledge the importance of the power-to-weight ratio. (light car gives us good performance if it has a peppy engine) Yet, I cannot overlook the role marketing played in swaying my decision. The podcast also sheds light on the importance of being a responsible driver. Having learned to drive in my early teens, I've maintained a clean driving record over the past 20 years, save for a minor scrape. Moreover, I prioritize safety, ensuring my five-year-old son always wears a seatbelt, even though I haven't invested in a specialized seat for him yet. As an Indian, I believe it's crucial for our safety culture to evolve, not just on the roads, but across various aspects of our lives like cooking, working, and traveling. Kudos to Motor Inc. for delivering such an enlightening and thought-provoking episode. I walked away from it with a wealth of knowledge far beyond what I initially anticipated.
You guys hit the nail on the head with this episode. Thank you for saying it because a lot of us drivers need to hear it. With that said , as a driver I have a simple system. I will not do things on the road if it irritates me when other drivers do it. Also I don’t drink ever which helps exponentially. Again great episode
Hey! Thanks for this video. I echo every single reason when you said you being the reason for any crash, and importance being a 5 star driver than a buying a 5 star car. I immediately sent this video to the folks whom i find it difficult to convince the importance of seat belts, to not keep loose materials that could be projectiles. Hopefully they go through this.
Excellent Conversation. So the conclusion is that the 5 stars do not make you and your car invincible during a crash BUT you are still getting a fundamentally safer car designed to protect the occupants as best as it can from an engineering point of view. So DRIVE SAFE and DRIVE BETTER.
This reminds me of one scenario In the UK where there was a particularly crash-prone intersection, and the only thing they needed to do to fix it was to add a dual roundabout. Just this alone reduced almost all of the crashes and also brought the average speed down, and they did not need speed cameras and limits. Because - the people started paying more attention because they were in an unfamiliar situation, and thus automatically brought their speed down and paid attention to the road and became aware. Shows how much driver attention plays a part in avoiding accidents.
Such a great dialogue. Thank you for being the Volvo of solid motoring content, it is insightful and accessible for the masses. I agree with your points. Learning to be a better and more responsible driver/rider would improve my odds of never getting into a crash in the first place. I'm way too excited for the next episode and it's such a coincidence that I took a test ride for 7 bikes this weekend (and, yes. If you remember my comments on the past couple videos, I was conflicted between a used car and a new bike, I'm going the bike way for now, a car is not making much financial sense as of now). Well, I rode the following bikes in the exact same order. 1. Gixxer SF 250 2. V Storm 250 3. RTR 200 4. Scrambler 400X 5. Speed 400 6. 250 Duke 7. Maverick 440 I rode a scooter for the past 10 years. I had opportunities to ride a lot of TVS Apache RTR 200 (BS4, carb), 2023 KTM 200 Duke and Yamaha R15 M over the past 15 months. I might be a little optimistic here, but I have gotten used to the power delivery of these vehicles. I'm planning to buy one for myself now.
Tyres are an extremely underrated component of safety. Many people choose the budget option but Tyres are one place where it is okay to splurge. I would greatly appreciate it if you could do a segment on Tyres.
poofff.. u guys just blew my mind.. i started this episode with thinking that you guys will talk about some elite stuff which wont really matter for a middle class straight thinking ppl like me.. but u completely changed my mind.. it takes guts to tell the truth the way it is .. i think u guys said the truth out in the open.. i cannot expect such truths from ppl who are on the easier side of automotiv industry or who want to be on the right side of the automotive industry.. now i know that i can trust u guys completely and whole heartedly.. and yes .. now i will subscribe your channel schumi.. this is Dr Sushant Kurhade from Aamchi Mumbai..
Lot of insights. Some of them I didn't even think of. This video is a gem. About 6 months ago, I stumbled upon an video of drive test training in U.K. That was a real eye opener for me. Since a lot of road signs and traffic is adapted from the UK, I began learning deeper 8 years after I got my licence. Now I am trying to follow rules, learning patience and be a better driver. I got the badge of 'best driver' from from my friends. But ironically they praise me but don't seem to follow me in driving safely.
An hour well spent with you both. I bought a 5star one looking at the specs, although got the 5star marketed to me more than i wanted them to. When I'm on the road, as a driver I feel responsible for all around me even though strangers they are, and be super predictable to each one. Basic funda is to make my "human factor" prevent crash altogether, cannot depend beyond a point on man made machinery, physics will wipe us out if we abuse it.
I echo with every word you guys said about YOU being the biggest reason of crashes, and share the pain on swaying away from the core issue. I was in London for 2 years on work, and I had the opportunity to go through the DL process in the UK for both 4 wheelers and Category A bikes (and ofcourse, passing it). Despite being a driver/ rider in India for almost 2 decades, it took me 2 attempts to clear both licenses. I’m surprised by how many accidents can be avoided by KNOWING your duties as a road user and the rights of others - Like using mirrors, lane discipline, giving way/ stopping at intersections, maintaining certain gap to the vehicle infront, knowing the difference between solid and dotted lines in a single carriageway, understanding priority of traffic at junctions etc. Despite considering myself a “good-responsible” driver/ rider even before the UK stint, I now switched to what they call ‘defensive driving’ and I see how much more smoother it made my driving/ riding now. While I’m extremely glad I spent that money at driving and riding schools in the UK in becoming better driver/ rider, it makes my furious at how we in India are not able to address the root cause of all the accidents and even traffic congestion in cities - Just simple traffic education at driving schools and implementing the licensing laws the way they are supposed to be.
Thanks for sharing your take @nsh22987. We agree, there's a lot that we need to fix about road discipline and a major part of it is fixing how we drive.
Absolutely opens a new dimension for me to access an automobile going forward. Never thought that even something like a safeft feature or ranking can be used as a marketing tool. Thanks for making this episode and helping to broaden the horizon and will definitely find a space in any future decision while buying any car or bike.
Love the subtle sarcastic humour throughout the video. Can't wait for the next one. I have a request, @motorinc, can you please make a video/ include it in next this connect video, what is a good starter bike for new riders? Probably sprinkle in some suggestions. I would greatly appropriate it.
I completed a ~400 km drive yesterday, I wholeheartedly agree it's the driver's skill that matters in terms of safety. I saw rowdy overtaking on highways yesterday. Especially the Konkan route when you reach Mangaon towards Panvel. Cretas/Innovas/Ertigas driving on the wrong side, bullying other cars to yield and accommodate them when a car comes from the other end because they decided they are too royal to be stuck in a traffic jam and can't afford to spend another second following other cars which were waiting patiently for their turn to move ahead. They would constantly honk at you if you didn't give them space to move. This one move encouraged the other drivers to do the same even though they didn't have the skills or a powerful car to make the move happen. I was stuck for almost 1 hour to complete a 3 km stretch on a national highway. What pissed me off more was that the traffic police did not do anything to these guys, it's like being rewarded for putting everyone in danger. sorry for the rant. if you are someone who pulls this move on any roads, please stop.
Great discussion guys! I loved how you broke down different aspects of what goes into awarding a car a crash rating and how real world factors come into play and sort of dilute the rating during normal day to day usage. I am guilty of driving a bit recklessly when I first got my licence when I was 18 owing to my love for cars and also lack of maturity and road sense. Now , I am a completely different driver , but still striving to be a better driver than I was yesterday. Looking back at my experience, there were instances where I had unnecessarily put my life, my passenger's life and surrounding motorists at risk not out of ill intent, but rather lack of awareness, which is why by creating awareness about these things through a channel like yours will help a lot of us commit far lesser mistakes. Few topic discussion ideas. 1. Car driver looking at driving from a biker's point of view and vice versa. 2. Guidance for 18 year olds who just got their licence (car/bike) , dealing with peer pressure, hormones and over excitement while driving for the first time. 3. What to do when you find yourself in an accident, both scenarios where you caused it / someone else's fault. Handling injured party , Issues of threats/ dealing with cops/ dealing with people who gathered around you etc.
Thank you for talking through this crash test topic. I'm glad that you insisted on being a safe driver rather than having a star rated car. This also helps in new car purchases and also learning driving.
I'm a new driver and this episode was a bit of an eye-opener. The highlight of this episode was how the variables of real-life motoring have been properly addressed. Looking forward to more of the same.
Thank you, @MotorInc, for this insightful podcast on the real-world safety of cars in India. Before watching this, I always assumed that higher safety ratings meant better chances of survival. However, you’ve shed light on the partial truth behind this. Safety is a combination of your driving skills, the drivability of your car, suspension, and finally, the safety rating. Besides the discussion on safety, you've shared many valuable insights on becoming a better person in various aspects of life. We all know that to improve at anything, we need to tackle hard challenges, even though we often try to avoid or bypass them. Ultimately, doing the hard things is the only way forward. Thank you so much!
Wow! Such an insightful conversation between our two professors. The way you described passive safety and active safety is impressive. I'm always open for constructive criticism and when somebody objectify my thought that passive safety will save you from a crash is pure bullshit. I have always learnt that people often do mistakes while on road be it city or a highway so we need to be more careful and not panic. There is a whole lot of difference between careful and panic. I never overtake a vehicle if he's not able to see my car/bike and this is an important thing to do. And moreover people change their lanes left right and center without prior indication which is a hazard for everyone on the road. There are a whole lot of things that need to be addressed but what I'm trying to tell everyone is to admit that we're not good drivers and we need to improve our driving skills. The day I started learning car driving, I always had this thought in my mind that whether I be able to be a better driver who respects other vehicles on the road and most importantly my job is to make my passengers feel comfortable and safe. Its the same case even with my bike as well. As of now riding for over 4 years, I had not even a single crash because of my careless behaviour. I always had my limitations and never ever even for once I crossed them and that is what making me feel safe. Always remember, its better to avoid accidents rather than deal with them by siting in a 5 star car. My rules are fairly simple. Don't overspeed. Follow the traffic and most importantly be considerate. Don't indulge in road rage. Avoid night driving. If its an emergency, be extremely cautious while driving night. I comment in this channel about highway speeds frequently and I would repeat it that we don't require speeds anything more than 120 kmph. 100 kmph is good enough for even a 1000 km travel in a day if you plan accordingly. You don't need anything more than that. These are the speeds recommended by people globally and not bounded to Indian conditions. People doing more than 120 kmph, I'm sorry but you guys don't deserve drive/ride on a public road. If speeding is something you crave for, fortunately there are race tracks in our country(very few of them). Do as much speeds as you can where you can also learn how to ride/drive better. Sorry! This is a lengthy message but I hope everyone understand my thoughts on passive vs active safety. I always wish manufacturers do their best with regards to passive safety and I guess they are in the right direction. But its our commonsense to take passive safety as a lab test and that's it. Shumi put out an amazing example of fuel efficiency figures in their lab tests and we even need to consider crash tests similarly. Its manufacturers marketing strategy and we need to be smart enough not to fall into such strategies and take them with a pinch of salt.
Super insightful!! Anyone looking for a new car must watch this video first. In an ideal world, this video should have gone viral. I genuinely believe the safety of a driver / rider is in their own hands. Safety ratings are just a way for drivers to outsource the responsibility of being a good driver and the false sense of safety oftens makes drivers irresponsible thinking that the car will protect them. Hence more and more "SUVs" are being sold and drivers keep on getting worse everyday, not only risking their own lives but also of other drivers / riders and not to forget the pedestrians. I wish more brands were actively spreading awareness about safe driving practices instead of relying on marketing "5 star ratings"
I was today years old that I learned the test ratings and safety has nothing to do with each other. Thanks! Also, if there’s some sort of class or course you do for riding, I’d really like to be a part of it! I can learn so much about how to ride better.
Great podcast! I agree with the perspective. I too used to think these auto drivers are reckless and annoying, but now I have accepted the situation that I can't change stuff in what happens at the road anymore, and it is better to be extra cautious, ride slow and be at peace with myself than getting annoyed at other people's recklessness.
This podcast made me more humble. I drive normally defensively but this podcast made me feel like an idiot to all those times i have driven fast , overtaking with a 50:50 chance , just feeling safe behind the wheel having a 5 star rated car . Will be more careful from now on . Thanks motorinc team for such a insightful and wonderful podcast 🎉
Another point which I related is that when I drove the virtus, taigun, ZS,Hector. Talking about the dynamics, those cars are so loyal, I mean one can’t crash in those vehicles if he’s driving responsibly or even in scenarios they have excellent control and incase mishap goes, they are safe. So I’d say the VW, MG cars are great safe cars not just because of their build quality but because of handling, braking, dynamics that has a major role to play including driver’s skill. Thank you guys❤️🔥
Awesome to see you guys talk again about safety. By design a 4 wheeler is much safer than a 2 wheeler & your last video on safe motorcycling behaviour is really awesome. I request you guys to make a video about the importance of motorcycle safety equipment & what are all the things we need to consider before choosing the right equipment. Because I want to increase my safety not just by the behavioral changes but also by equipping myself with proper gear to prevent those unavoidable bad events.
Kudos to motorinc team for bringing up probably the most important topics in automobile industry in each of their podcasts. Drive safe and wear seatbelt and instead of buying a Pro Max series of iPhone buy a Pro series and get that child seat for your baby it costs less than a Goa trip which most of us do, and those who are tight on budget just think that your car don’t have a music system and you’ve to spend another 20-30k on it, you would definitely not regret if your little one stays safe… happy motoring buddies
Listened to the entire conversation and it had a lot of new information for me. I could relate to what Shumi said regarding how we rate ourselves as riders/drivers and how we actually are. And as Karthik said only after realising that I can also crash anytime that I feel that my driving and riding has changed at least a little for the good. Great content and I feel that of all the recent podcasts, this one was a lot more intense and I feel the intent with which you have discussed it over here. Hats off!! Just wanted to point out one more observation not specific to the topic, but regarding the podcast as a format. I don’t know if it’s my UA-cam algorithm that has started to show me a lot more podcasts from other automotive channels in India or is it that you have cracked open a new way to connect with people on automobiles and others are following your path. Either ways I’m really loving the insights I’m getting out of it. 🙂
While discussing first-time bike buyers, it'll help people like me if you can talk about folks who have either been riding a bike but haven't owned one themselves or have been riding their 1st bike (or scooter) while they were in college specifically for commuting and now are more enthusiastic about it. Great episode by the way. Great content👏
Loads of valuable information. Thanks for sharing with me. You are absolutely spot on on many observations. This episode begs another question, how can I know that I am a good driver (car). What are the characteristics of a good driver? How do you evaluate at the end of, say a long road trip to evaluate your driving skills? Should it be near misses, sudden urge of rashness/madness, streching beyond a point etc. Would appreciate if you can maybe think of doing a podcast on this, if you can. Thanks.
Hi @bhanuranjith, thanks for joining us. And yes, this has been one of the most requested things for ThisConnect and we're doing this soon. We'll see you there!
You've covered everything accurately, and shared the complete facts (5* is nothing without driver/passanger discipline). Thank you for making this video❤. My request, "Please translate this episode to Hindi as well so that it can be understood by more people driving vehicles". It might be a lots of rework but it will definitely save crashes and people will buy vehicles which are suitable to them rather than something marked well.
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00:03:00 Lab Test vs The Real World
00:05:00 Accidents vs Crash Tests
00:06:58 Optional Crash Test Ratings
00:10:38 Too Pro Manufacturer?
00:13:26 Are Cars Really Safe?
00:15:14 Ratings Aren't Comprehensive
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00:32:00 Protect Yourself
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00:36:27 Avoid Crashes!
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00:39:35 Do You Drive Well Enough?
00:41:26 Causing Harm
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Why can't they do crash test by considering the worst case scenario? Why don't standards quote the worst case such as trucks?
For medical devices, FDA & ISO ,EU have strict regulations for worst case scenario
@@craveforcinema9560 Because beyond a certain point, 5 and 0 star might perform alike. And that won't be a marketable material for the companies to show their products superior.
Also what can be considered a worst case is subjective. Getting under a bus? Crushed under a battle tank? Jumping from cliff to a lake? The moment you consider and standardize one of such conditions is the same moment it gets 'controlled' and becomes a lab test. Real world has many variables playing. One can have a tyre burst resulting in jumping off the cliff, other might be brakes failing, other can be already being hit by a truck. A car's crash safety performance will perform differently at each of these three situations, however they're ending off a cliff in all of these.
What a brilliant episode! This must be shown to everyone who is buying a car!
I worked in the legal department of a leading insurance company and was handling third party claims. Basically, I was part of the system that deals with the aftermath of the accidents that happen. A vast majority of the accidents happened because of driver error and I have seen families been destroyed because the driver wasn't careful enough. Simple things like drive 5kmph slower, wear seatbelts, slowdown before making turns, dont rage out when somebody overtook you, etc., will make a massive difference. The five star car may end up saving your life but it won't help you to avoid destroying the family of the other party involved in the crash.
Back in 1992, I lost my father to what was a very minor collision between an autorickshaw and a scooter coming out of a petrol bunk. My father was riding pillion on the scooter and if he was wearing helmet, he would have been alive. It's been 32 years since then and i still can't fathom why there are people riding around without helmets.
Similarly my uncle got into a crash once and what saved the family were seatbelts. The number of people who drive without seatbelts even today is simply astounding.
The crash tests try to figure out what happens in a crash and how a car will perfom in that one set of conditions which have been approximated to mimic what the designers of the test thought was the best approximation. Real world is chaotic.
By controling what you can do to avoid getting into a crash, by doing all that you can to drive safely, not just so you can protect yourself and your family or the passengers, but also those around you, you automatically and dramatically reduce the probability of ever needing all those stars.
I think there should also be a video where Shumi and Karthikeya can go about a whole bucket list of obvious but absolutely necessary things people can do to to become better drivers, a whole hour of content that after seeing, people can go, damn, that was obvious, why wasnt i doing this in the first place. I think content like this episode and every tip that you guys give for people to become better drivers, will only help in reducing the accidents.
Glad I am a member. Thank you once again!
Hey @MrSMK21! Glad you found the podcast episode helpful! Thanks for the suggestion for the better driving oriented podcast/video too! And thank you for our generosity. It means the world to us!
Also - SMK - that’s for sharing something so personal with the MotorInc family. Much love to you and your family from us.
@@motorincthank you for the kind words. Road safety is a topic quite close to my heart and this video struck a chord. ❤
Upvote for the suggestion on video being better drivers.
Instincts before ego people , the guy who just overtook me stopped at the same light , this happens everyday. If you're in a hurry speeding isn't gonna get you there , speed when you know you can for sure . "your mind has better TC and ABS than any bike / car trust it not your ego " - EX police driver .(not me)
Absolutely!
Meeting people like you on same signal would be rare for us its effective drive for us for you milage may be 😂
@@MrDrone-qt6sw it's not about mileage or efficiency even if you get there 4-5 minutes earlier it's rarely worth it .
the problem starts when the idiots don't stop at the stop light. it's happening more and more around me it seems.
Agreed . Want to add something here- Don't speed ever.. Go at your own pace.. I drive at 60-70kmph in normal traffic as well because that is my usual comfortable speed. I have tested myself a thousand times and I know my limit is around 90-100 kmph in city so I go 10kmph slower. If someone drop from the sky I know I can stop comfortably. Ofcourse there is an if, if I'm not distracted or careless.
Brilliant stuff Shumi and Kartikey 🙌This piece of content offers a comprehensive overview of the broad topic of automotive safety. Crash tests provide a basic understanding of a car's construction and its potential performance under certain conditions, though these conditions can vary significantly in the real world. The key aspect to focus on in a crash test is the stability of the vehicle's structure. While airbags are valuable additions, the ability of the car's shell to absorb impact is of paramount importance.
After observing various crash tests, including some 'sponsored’ ones, a critical question arises for manufacturers: Have they designed their cars to achieve higher scores in crash tests, or to genuinely protect occupants? There have been several real-world crashes involving certain brands where the vehicles have easily toppled. This is just one example of many, but the Global NCAP tests seem to overshadow these crucial aspects of safety. We need to adopt a more holistic view of automotive safety, beyond just the safety ratings.
Spot on! And the difference between the feature does its job and the feature ticks off a box is a odd place for an industry to be, no?
Remember what a great car sage once said :
" Speed has never killed anyone , it's the sudden stopping that gets you"........
Haha true
Jeremy Clarkson
Sometimes his genius generates gravity
"..Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you."
Hmmmm...I can see your anarack levels here
There are two variations of ABC that I try to be mindful of at all times.
1. 'Always Be Cautious" - Be cautious of yourself. Be cautious of others.
2. 'Always Be Caring' - Arguably the more important thought. Be considerate. Be patient. Be kind.
Remember that we all have friends, partners, family, jobs, EMIs, rent, dreams and more. And we're all just trying to go from point A to point B.
Be it on the road or through life.
Thank you for attending my TED talk !
where can we sign up for the next one? 😁 Thanks for sharing SuperV!
You forgot taxes !! 😂 Common how can you do that we earn 4 months a year just to fill the govt pockets
Insightful! We need conversations about safety to be around roads, infrastructure, rules, fines, potholes, licence tests and so much more… We deserve this with the number of vehicles on our roads and the accidents we have.
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Yes but all of these depend on the govt. So talking and expecting things is........... well you know what im gonna say.
Just recently, didnt the govt say something along the lines of - driving schools themselves can issue licenses instead of the useless department, sorry, i mean, the rto, and that they wont be responsible for it?
That part was funny to me. Was the rto accepting responsibility before?
90-95% Indians are not ready for this podcast and conversation yet i am damn sure
It’s there whenever they are. 😁
absolutely man...
I just completed my masters in Mass communication & these podcasts does feel like I am attending a lecture on Automobile journalism. The way these guys simplify things & explain every tiny details, is remarkable. Keep going guys , we need such podcasts to educate masses on such topics
Congrats! All the best for your next steps. First job in hand?
@@motorinc Thank you. No I don't have any job in hand right now. I'm looking for one. But before that , for some reason my pancreas is producing too much insulin which is troubling me in my daily routine life , I need to get it sort out first. It's been 3 years like this & just last week I got to know that I might have a small tumor in my pancreas which could be the reason behind overproduction of insulin. I got no choice but to focus on my health first. Oops Oversharing 😅 But thanks guys.
Wishing u speedy recovery❤@@axitsuthar7900
@@axitsuthar7900get well soon bro 💪
@@axitsuthar7900 Take care Axit. Get well super soon and hit the road 😊
Man! I don’t think we Indians can ever understand the conversation.. You guys are AMAZING! The depth in your knowledge is mind blowing. We are a country where people protest against helmets being mandatory. We think about accidents until it happens in our own family or May be when it happens to us!
Thank you for joining us @ankitbende2474!
Majority, would stop watching in the initial few minutes... And then there are Indians like us, talking and listening with his interest level ...
Guys can you please discuss in a podcast about how bad driving is actually something that contributes to the chaotic traffic jams, higher wear and tear of vehicles, increases overall stress levels and subsequently health of the average citizen? This in turn affects the economy due to poorer health, loss of time with drastically low average speeds/high fuel consumption in our country = lower productivity.
Also people go out less due to fears of traffic jams contriburing to businesses struggling.
Loss of loved ones in traffic accidents throws families out of financial stability and puts some people into poverty.
Some things to be implemented to solve a majority of these problems:
* teach the importance of lane discipline/clearly marked lanes
* we need to introduce comprehensive driving test overhauls and make everyone recertify themselves over a 7 year period - ideally copy the curriculum of germany.
- this is especially necessary for commercial vehicles.
* Import road use hygiene/etiquette/culture from the north east.
* Also define criteria for submitting complaints with dashcam footage on drivers breaking rules, this will help enforce rules in a decentralised manner.
Would be great to listen to you guys discussing this.
Good idea! Thanks @madmicroscope!
The point at 37:10 is such a great one!
Taking motorsport as an example, an F1 car crashed at the Marina Bay Street Circuit last year and social media went abuzz saying "Oh my God the car has such poor safety as it looked like it broke into pieces" but little did they know that that was an indicator that the car was doing its job in protecting the driver well and that was the reason the driver walked away with just minor injuries!
Spot on!
Yes that's true, but there is also the difference between a well made crumple zone and just weak front end. What matters is that how much of impact was absorbed and whatever impact force was remaining after that should not reach passengers for it to be serious. For example maruti cars have crumple zone but it is too weak that it can't restrain the impact to itself. This is also a fact that should be considered. So, bad looking car after an accident is good till some point, after that it is really bad
@@vasujadav2772 A car with "weak frontend" aka crumple-zone will protect whilash/spinal cord injuries, the cabin needs to be strong and protect from any direct impact from outside .... that weak-frontend is essentially last line of defense in terms of "Braking"
Also , if you think strong/rigid metal bodies makes a safer car , then retrofit some airbags and seatbelt inside ambassador , that'd also get 5-star safety in G-NCAP.
@@ankitsharma203 bro you didn't understand what i said, i said the same thing that crumple zone is necessary but it also should be atleast srong enough to prevent shock from reaching cabin
@@vasujadav2772 but that thing is very difficult to design
for example ,
1) crumple zone designed for collision of 60kmph will work perfectly at speed from 40-80 , at lower speed it won't crumple but whiplash won't be too serious either
2) a car designed to absorb collision of 100 kmph , will perform well from 80-120 , but in those cars when you collide at slow speed say 60 , you'll have to withstand the whiplash
now you have to figure what speed collision you're more likely to be into.
and if you happen to be in collision of 100kmph in a 60kmph crumple zone , then you definitely want a strong and rigid cabin to protect you.
So all i'm trying to say is I want strong cabins from manufacturer nothing much.
BTW crumple zones also slows down "the projectiles" aka loose objects in you car that might impale you.
Kartikeya going "Thanks man" at 26:25 while Shumi explains primary and secondary charge in mines😂😂
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And he didn't even get to the part where the projectiles slashes the meaty surface. 😅
Kartikeya's expressions when Shumi goes dark is always beautiful to watch! 😂😂
I hope this conversation reaches many people, both of you have done justice to this topic.
I would like to also add that, lights, reflectors and mirrors are also very important to safety discussion. Simple, basic maintenance will help us not become active hazards on the street.
Thanks Milind! Do share as you see fit.
This comment is in regard to your next episode.
I wanted to thank Shumi and share that i am 22 years old and i had purchased my first bike 2 and half years ago which is the continental gt650. I had learnt riding on a splendor ismart for two weeks and applied for license and went to book the bike. I remember following Shumi for a long time back then and following simplified series particularly. It was watching him and learning from him for years that gave me confidence as well the understanding of what skills i absolutely needed to acquire on a motorcycle, whatever its power may be. Today i can proudly say that my motorcycling journey so far has been a absolute delight and safe. If it wasn’t for shumi ,i wouldn’t have been able to unlock motorcycling to such extent, especially given what the social media is offering to new aspiring young kids in terms of motorcycling content today.
Awesome! Thank you for telling us this TIU! We're thrilled we've been able to help!
Amazing buddy 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
As a data science enthusiast I am very happy that Shumi has spoken about the "correlation" aspect and the backend team has done some extensive study on the data models before saying such conclusions .....Would love to see the dataset from which you derived the conclusion.
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I know some guys who think that driving a car recklessly, overtaking with close calls, speeding unnecessarily is "skills" and when i tell them hey drive carefully, they (not talking about me in the third person) say "don't worry i got this, I'm skilled" or "don't be a p*ssy". As you said, you can buy a car with all the stars for safety but you cannot buy good driving etiquettes
And that’s the kind of mindset that takes the ratings and abuses them by being even more careless. 😑
It is Awesome that you guys are taking pains of reading documents and presenting such great quality content..
In the month of April i travelled to Kerela with my wife and son (9 months old) and we carried the car seat with us.. It was a logistic hassle.. I had to pay a bit extra at the airport.. But I didn’t mind it.. We were driving in a rented car with my son in the car seat .. Wife was in the backseat with seatbelt on..
Last month my wife and my son went to her place and the car seat went with them.. Whenever they go out, my son sits in the car seat.. Slowly, there is a cultural change that we are trying to bring in our families by requesting our parents and siblings to wear seatbelts in the rear seat as well.. Sometimes the idea is not taken in the letter and spirit but we continue to insist..
Well done Anurag! Once you get used to it, there’s no going back.
26:25 that “Thanks man” resonated with my SOUL. 😂😂Love the edit on Shumi getting too excited about Anti-Personnel mines 😂😂
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I mean the mechanism of the mine he described is ingenious, from an engineering point of view. But it is nasty nasty stuff. It's called an S-mine
My sister had a small crash on her scooter, everyone else was coddling her and I just said understand it’s your mistake and you won’t crash again. She was very upset with me, I’ve sent her a clip of this video now. Hopefully you guys have managed to get through.
Sounds like the wrong timing then @TejasKoushik219 but you know her better. Hopefully, she's open to having a discussion with you now!😅
This talk is much needed. Beyond a set of certain circumstances, beyond a certain speed, nothing can save anyone. The marketing of star rating is creating a certain false sense of immortality 😅.. which gives birth to a certain elitism in social media online..
A passionate case against an overemphasis on crash test ratings, albeit one that is undermined, in my opinion, by some critical logical flaws and inconsistencies.
As a disclaimer, I should point out that neither do I drive a 5-star-rated car, nor is that parameter going to be a deal-breaker (or clincher) for me when buying my next car; I am not personally vested in this debate.
One of the main issues I take with your argument is the false dichotomy between prioritising driver skill and relying on safety features. These are not mutually exclusive approaches to road safety. They both can and should play important roles.
You may say that you aren't entirely dismissing the value of safety features, but respectfully, I believe your argument overemphasises driver skill to the point of downplaying the relevance of crash test ratings. And that it is being presented as a binary choice.
If it is really true that the average Indian car buyer obsesses over crash safety ratings and trivialises the importance of driver skills, it seems to me that you’re just doing the same, but in the opposite direction.
What’s more, I contend that your use of statistics and data doesn’t actually support the point that you’re trying to make.
You mention that most accidents are caused by driver error, and that most crashes are single-car crashes. Based on this, you argue that driver skill is the most important factor in road safety.
But you’re ignoring the base rate - the total number of car trips and driving situations that occur without any accidents. Let's say there are a million car trips in a given year, and a thousand of them result in accidents. And that out of those thousand accidents, 90% are caused by driver error.
Sounds like a lot, but it’s actually only 900 out of the total one million trips. The vast majority of trips - 999,100 - didn’t result in any accidents at all, REGARDLESS of driver skill. (Shumi says this himself at some point, but went elsewhere with it.)
If we really want use data to understand the role of driver skill in road safety, we need to look at the accident rates for drivers of different skill levels across all trips, not just the proportion of accidents caused by driver error.
This doesn't mean that driver skill is unimportant or that we shouldn't strive to improve driver training and education. But it does suggest that focusing solely on driver skill as the primary solution to road safety may be misguided, and I think the statistics again bear me out on this, in more ways than one.
For example, the notion that if you're a highly skilled driver, you'll be much less likely to get into an accident - actually, over time, your likelihood of getting into an accident tends to converge towards the average accident rate for all drivers, regardless of your individual skill level.
In other words, being a highly skilled driver does not make you immune to regression to the mean. Over time, your accident risk will tend towards the average risk for all drivers.
And as Taleb might point out, you’re ignoring the fact that rare events can and do have disproportionate effects on outcomes. Even if the vast majority of accidents are caused by driver error, the rare instances of equipment failure or external factors can still have a catastrophic impact on overall fatalities and injuries.
Besides, crash safety features are designed to protect occupants when accidents occur, regardless of the cause. Dismissing their relevance because most crashes are due to driver error is a non-sequitur that ignores the potential benefits these features can provide in mitigating the consequences of accidents.
Even if it is true that 90% of accidents are caused by driver error and that most crashes are single-car crashes, dismissing the probability of a vehicle with “superior” safety features (at least, on paper) providing benefits over one with lesser features, seems rather a bit of an overreach. All other things being equal, if a car is involved in a crash, it is reasonable to expect that one with a 5-star crash rating will perform in some measurable way better than one with a 1-star safety rating. That performance delta holds true regardless of whether you’re a highly skilled driver or an atrocious one.
And the “5-star safety ratings make you a more careless or reckless driver,” argument is wild! By that logic, you wearing motorcycle safety gear when you ride a motorcycle arguably makes you a more reckless rider. After all, if for some reason, you had to ride the same motorcycle in the same conditions without any safety gear, wouldn’t you ride even more cautiously than you normally do? Ergo, all riders using safety gear are automatically a greater hazard to themselves and others. Seems a bit much.
While it's fair to point out potential limitations and flaws in the crash test ratings system, dismissing the entire enterprise of crash testing as a mere marketing ploy doesn’t make your argument more credible.
All in all, I think this comes down to some variation of the “the risks I am okay with are sensible, the risks you are okay with are stupid,” argument that is so widely prevalent in the automotive enthusiast community as a whole.
Still, a thoroughly engaging and entertaining video (as always), and anything that produces discussion is always welcome. Thank you, and keep going!
Ya but where are the views in that
@@PLWatcher-kr3bc To be fair, I don't think this was just an attempt at gaining views. I think they're speaking from genuine conviction.
Did you actually even watch the video? At no point do they say safety features don't matter.
@@pchardwareexplorer9695 I did watch the entire video. At no point in my comment did I claim that they said that safety features don't matter, but yes, I take your point: invalidating crash safety ratings may not have been their intention. But if you scroll through the comments on this video, you'll quickly see that regardless of whatever their intention was, the takeaway that a lot of folks seem to be getting from this is, "just ignore crash safety ratings, and focus on being a better driver." Which, look, I embrace on a personal level, but I don't believe that it is an objective and dispassionate point of view. And it's arguably not a great thing to be encouraging drivers to do, because, let's face it, how many of us really do all the things that we know we should be doing? We know we should eat better, we know we should exercise more often, we know we should use gadgets less, we know we should hydrate more, and on and on, but that doesn't stop us from persisting in our habits. Improving one's driving skills is likely no different. In all probability, most of the folks who leave this video aren't suddenly going to buy tickets to fly to a Swiss driving school. But the next time they're buying a car, they might just think, "Those car experts said crash safety ratings don't matter." So, I think it's really debatable whether this advice makes anybody any safer.
MotorInc is probably the only voice that isn't polarised and striking a perfectly rational spot on crash tests.
Appreciate you being here AS!
I can't even begin to thank you for all this information and actually putting in the effort. Kudos Team. God Bless!
Thanks Ashish!
I had my eyes opened today . Thank you and the team for this wonderful episode.
I did know that the driver is the one who needs to be more attentive and responsible on the roads , but the whole shenanigans behind the NCAP tests and how its used to mislead people was a great eyeopener.
This content is not something we see in other channels and thank you for spitting facts like they were.
Thanks for joining us @maheshwaranvs!
So after watching full episode, "I" think I'm convinced that:
1. I need to work on my driving skills to minimise the probability of getting crashed.
2. Crash ratings should not be the final decision making criteria for car buying process.
BUT still, I won't be able to neglect crash test ratings if I have a decision to make between two shortlisted vehicles before buying one.
Thanks.
Be considerate, be patient! ✌🏻
Yes! That's the right way to think about this Onkar!
You don't need to neglect the crash test results but look into the result rather than just dismissing the car based on the star it received ❤
Amazing content as always, also very true about the point of other drivers.. as rider for over 8 years on both highway and city, I personally feel you can learn the art of anticipation.. Also some rules I follow:
1. Ride fast only when visibility is good.
2. Slow down for all village crossing and intersection and expect someone to crash onto u
3. Before changing lanes or overtaking look at the front tyres of cars ahead to anticipate where they would turn
4. Never road rage or race..
5. Think of doing it Long term so I can be as safe as possible now..
And some of these rules are learned from u Shumi 😅.. thanks for the teachings..
Thanks for that MS!
The sole reason I never got any attachment on the mirror or dashboard like idols or hang anything on th IRVM is that it turns into a projectile during an accident! Read it years ago and it's always stayed with me.
Simple!
Can you explain?
@@Michael-Angh imagine you're cruising at 80kmph in the middle lane on NH 48 and you encounter a broken down stationary truck in the middle of the lane, (this has happened with me btw, I barely avoided collision) and you crash into the back of that truck. Now things have gone from 80kmph to 0kmph in a matter of seconds, so things will fly at you from the front of the car like broken windshield bits AND anything that was kept on the dashboard. So if you had a stone idol on the dashboard, there is a very high chance it will fly at you along with the shards of glass already flying at you. Any such object can hit you or the passenger in critical areas like eyes and skull and a 1000 other damaging ways. Hence it is always recommended to not keep any loose objects around the car. A driver once lost his life because a Bisleri water bottle fell down and lodged itself between the brake pedal and the floor of the car and he couldn't brake!
Love how serious these talks are, making sure we understand the "gravity" and responsibility we carry in everyday life. Your constant reminders shows how much you guys care. Awesome content💖
We appreciate that @rahulkenjale6072! Thank you for joining us.
Such a necessary video. I have been told so many times that I have got a crap car in terms of safety when I got the Ignis in 2020. Apparently, the door doesn't close with a thud🥲
I have observed keeping calm and being patient on the roads automatically adds 2 stars to the car and the passengers within. It helps in better application of the skills as well and doesn't cloud the judgement through ego.
The guys who evaluate car safety by the thud of the door are the _real_ experts.
@@motorinc Unless it's the ping! of a 911 door slam :D
@@motorinc😂😂😂 as per these experts, ambassador is the safest car on earth
These experts don't know anything, my grandfather met with an accident in our 2009 Alto, the car managed well in that accident (it was his mistake a careless overtake) he hit a Mahindra major
Car crumpled and the safety shell was pretty solid. But the Jeep got its chassis bent, front leaf suspension broken etc,
The thing is if we test both these vehicles GNCAP will rate Alto with negative stars and Mahindra a 1 star 😂 but in real world this Alto will be a saviour ❤
This Podcast disconnected the myths of crash tests!
Never thought about the tests this way - The variables at play.
Ofcourse we know the details but putting the pieces of puzzle together, its what changed my perspective. That's what you did in just an hour that I couldn't see through over years.
Especially the concept of deformation of the car build and the inertia of the crash being tranmistted to the passengers.....damn that's simple physics and totally makes sense.
I think this episode have been phenomenal. I got to learn a hell lot.
Superb!!
Glad we can help! Thanks Anubhav!
I'm a new driver. This conversation was extremely insightful. I will always keep this in my mind. Thank you.
Glad we can help! Thanks AJB!
Man these two men are literally putting me in zen mode by making podcasts that sounds like a meditative session. So true and it’s all well said in such a respectful way…. Wowww ❤❤❤❤ I wud like to exchange knowledge with you guys over a cup of coffee one fine day … plz keep doing this social service 🙏
50% car's strength + 50% drivers skill = 99.99% safety + .01% luck
Heya Sarvan! Loved it. Hehe
You are off by. 01%
Watching the podcasts brought some major changes the way I used to think in the past 6 months or so:
1. I take more care of my existing cars
2. I drive more carefully, and with much more patience, which in return has made me enjoy what I love most (Driving)
3. I make sure to give way to others more now
4. I have reduced cursing at others while on the road, I still curse but at much frequency than before ;)
5. Learnt a lot about safety and driving sense in general
I strongly recommend, whoever is reading my comments to go checkout all the podcasts of this channel, they are a masterclass teaching you what you might have missed or never learned in the first place when you started driving.
Thanks a lot @RajivMaity-qz7he! Glad we could help 😊
Do you think it is sensible to buy car with 0-2 stars crash test rating? I agree that most accidents are avoidable even if you didn't cause it, but all you need is one crash to change your life, right? It is 100% possible to be involved in a potentially fatal crash even you're going under the speed limits and aware of your surroundings. This video has convinced me to get off the crash test craze. IMO at least 3 stars are necessary in accordance with todays standards.
Thanks for sharing your perspective @user-cg2tb9or2l!
In the end, the main takeaway I got which Shumi covered in another video take ownership of your driving/riding. Improving your skills and maintaining situational awareness is the key. I am learning to ride and this channel and advices by both the gentleman has helped me tremendously to ride a little better everyday.
Absolutely spot on, Akashdeep!
1. 5:20 - Infact in USA, the IIHS was created literally by Insurance companies so that they can force car manufacturers to make safer cars which would in return benefit the Insurance companies, LOL.
2. 11:34 - Tata in Shambles, haha.
3. 26:23 - LMAOO, It's funny to see how Schumi isn't very sensitized but Kartik is.
4. 42:15 - PTSD after a crash is a very real thing and we so often ignore how fragile life is, a split of second is all it takes for someone to just cease to exist.
1. Safer cars do benefit insurance companies - paying for people is a lot more expensive than paying for car parts.
3. Shumi's always messing with Kartikeya 🤣
4. Yes. Spot on!
@@motorinc pt.2 left conveniently 🤣🧐
I hope people take this seriously and understand how you should prevent a crash rather than depend on Star ratings.
Wonderful episode Karthik & Shumi!
I am grateful that we as Motorcyclists/Enthusiasts have a voice through you guys now. Keep this up. I love what you guys are doing. Looking forward to upgrade myself with each of your priceless discussions.
Thank you for joining us @Dheeeeraj!
I believe such intellectual talks and topics, awareness programs should be part of a mandatory periodic refresher training to retain the licenses. It might not help instantly, but I’m sure it would definitely have significant impact over a longer period.
Thanks for your generosity @SabyasachiRajkumar!
Yes, refreshing skills is an essential part of building them for sure!
It is so important for a regular person to know and understand these things. Because in today's world a lot of people are blindly running behind safety ratings disregarding necessary things like the driveability of a car.
Thank you for talking about this. This episode was a real eye opener. Two takeaways that I think are important:
1. Buy a car irrespective of its "safety rating" as long as it meets your needs.
2. Don't drive like an idiot. If you encounter idiots on the road be patient and let them do their thing.
Hey Anirudh!
_Feels safe to you_ and _I'm in control_ is the first layer of the safety evaluation. This will create confident driving, which helps point 2 as well. Then comes the backup plan to this, which can be the safety rating, to some extent.
Bring it on more ! Guys , I am feeling privileged to listen the complete podcast. Every podcast always a eye opener for different views. I enjoy this a lot.
Thank you @shubhampujari1470!
During the whole projectile explaination I can feel Kartikeya picturing it in his head. That is definitely a scary scenario.
You can count on it. We think he could feel it tattoo his forehead… 🤣
@@motorinc 🙂 but jokes apart I have had the bad luck of being in some accidents and I know how scary that is. I particularly had two motorcycle accidents within a span of 50 days and that caused me so much trauma that I did not get back onto the motorcycle for about 6-7 months.
@@rawalsushant Hope you are safe and riding again
@@kshitijpandey6514 those days are long past me. I am all fine
@@rawalsushant great
Hat’s off for the sheer research and hard work. Your willingness to put efforts and break down complicated stuff into simple terms is commendable. Thank you Motorinc
Thank you so much 😊
this topic shines the biggest difference between something like WV/SKODA/FORD where safety is already a given to the point that they never even advertise it and something like TATA where they scream from rooftops how safe their cars are even though they build cars specifically to pass the tests and not for users.
Exactly! They never made a song and dance about it.
But Tata moved the "Overton Window" of what is acceptable for mass market cars. Tata for all its shortcomings, deserves credit for that.
but what happens in india is companies just bring unsafe cars that it becomes important for indian company to scream about safety.... which if u look closer then tata and mahindra did made other companies like renault, hyundai and other companies to bring better safer cars in india at competitive price....
Incorrect - VW markets Taigun as India's safest SUV - its the first thing on their website, the brochure has the Global NCAP rating on page 1. I remember seeing Skoda test drive cars having safest sedan printed on their sides. There may be many things wrong with Tata cars but to say they only scream safety is wrong. They must be appreciated for at least making safety one factor buyers consider while making purchase decision, thereby forcing every other car maker improve their product quality.
Skoda and VW are literally showing that their cars have 5 stars in all their ads
Over my experiences as a driver over the last 5 years, i was reaching a point where everyone around me felt i was a safe driver. I always tried to learn from mistakes i saw other drivers make but off late i reached a saturation point and felt i was safe enough. This video was a wake up call, thank you for putting your thoughts across so clearly!
Thanks for wanting to do better @TejasKoushik219. Hopefully, soon your sister can be one too!
Imagine people crashing because they were distracted because they were discussing about crash tests.
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Hands down the best automotive content in India. Absolutely worth getting into the habit of spending a little extra for honest and critical auto journalism that we otherwise, struggle to access. If the content you engage with is free, you are the product. That is a media reality Indians need to get acquainted with.
And I am so happy that two career journalists have taken the step to keep auto journalism independent. Fantastic work Motorinc. So happy I took the membership route. Excited to be a part of this journey and cannot wait for the next video to drop.
ps: For the next video, y'all could look at buying used? Basic stuff to look out for and more detailed slab-by slab account of what cars to buy in each price bracket, going up all the way to say 10lakhs? That would be novel and with you two at the helm of that endeavor; worth spending 'time' (to quote Shumi) on. To crudely paraphrase Kartikeya, automobiles have been at their pinnacle wrt engineering, for the last 3-5 years. So if one were to keep that as a reference point, what all would work per slab?
Thanks for the recommendation Arjun! And thank you for being walking with us on this journey. 😊
No matter how strong the cars are, can they withstand Mr Shumi's sarcasm? I challenge.
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lol
Good one 😂👌🏻
I am so so so glad that you are guys are talking the right thing. 100/100. I knew a guy from teambhp who was deliberately given infractions and thrown out of team-bhp because he was talking against the safety issues of Maruti and Hyundai. He had presented all the facts and figures from his research and referred papers from NHTSA as well. This happened when a lady started a thread in teambhp asking for legal advise when she lost her husband in Hyundai Tucson rollover crash. This was some 10 years back. The A-B-C pillar of Tucson was questionable. There were also discussion about the great Maruti Swift Crumple zone hypocrisy (their export model had better crumple zone). The owner of teambhp(GTO) threw out the contributors and deleted the facts presented. We read between the lines about potential kickbacks from Maruti and Hyundai and silently attrited from Teambhp.
My 13 year-old Maruti Ritz was involved in an accident last year when a traffic police personnel suddenly stopped vehicles in the fast lane. The car I was following stopped, I screeched to a halt without locking up the wheel (remember the Ritz VXi never had ABS) and the Baleno driver behind me stopped in time too. However, a group of young drivers in their Honda WRV rammed into us from the rear, eventually causing a pile-up accident. My phone on the dashboard holder became a projectile and zoomed past my face to the boot. The car absorbed the impact by defornimg the rear hatch , rear bumper, the bonnet and the frontbumper.
Since me and my friend were wearing the seat belts, we came out unscathed. The front passenger in the car behind us wasn't wearing the belt and got injured.
Although people in my circle urged me to get a car with airbags, ABS, ADAS and what not, I continue to drive it with utmost caution. I get laughed at/mocked by idiots (both outside and inside the car) for driving like an uncle but I have developed a greater sense of spatial awareness ever since the accident. Mirrors are my friends and nothing stays loose on the dashboard anymore. The same goes for my motorcycle rides, where I prefer to go slow, keep an idea of what's happening behind me, and have total control over the vehicle.
Kudos to Schumi and Karthik for speaking up on vehicle safety. As a budding automotive writer, I am glad to see experts discussing these boldly.
Thank you for joining us today @amritanshumukherjee1724. And that sounded scary! We're glad that you're okay and doing better since.
Thank You MotorInc.
I am recovering from a two wheeler crash and I can say with experience that not having a crash is always the better option regardless of the number of wheels.
Watching everything in life hit a pause for the next 6-8 months is also a point of consideration from multiple aspects like its impact on family, finances profession and time.
Kartik, everything that you said 👍
All active safety measures will have the biggest impact starting with driving education and enforcement.
And like Shumi said that's the right but the hard way 😊
Thanks for sharing @shantanu_d hope you're okay now though!
Engrossing conversation as always. A few thoughts
10:34 - Shumi's surprise at test standards aligning with manufacturers' requirements is unexpected. Government regulation often begins with an ideal service of consumer interests and is then cut down to what the industry says it can manage. To be clear, I don't imply any party involved is specifically evil. Just that population based safety standards may work in the aggregate but they aren't meant to save individual lives. Guaranteeing individually specific safety is highly impractical and very expensive.
33:48 - NCAP, ISI, DOT, N95, USB, IPX, CE and infinitely more standards of all kinds end up being used as marketing tools imho. Otherwise, the consortiums of companies that pour money and talent into developing them "in collaboration with" testing bodies would never see returns. Not that it means they're all worthless but it's important to be aware of the possible motivation bias creeping within the structures and implementation of these standards.
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This is the most important session for every car owner. This is covered for old cars and new cars as well. I agree with your safe points. We have to be more vigilant while driving a car. I have been driving my Santro for 13 years and no crash happened. As Karthik said, maintain the car properly. If you take care of your car, it will take care back for sure. It will take you wherever you want safely.
Thank you for sharing @talupula. 13 years is indeed a long time.
Hey Finally a place where I can rant about the harms of quantification of crash test rating
I absolutely despise the fact that we have tried to quantify crash test rating because the layman assumes it is the safety rating of the car but its not
Also this rating gives a weird false safety net to driver of the vehicle that if there is crash he will not be harmed and will drive less cautiously or become a complete douche-bag.
I have just recently started commuting using my scooter and the number of people who fly with their cars in narrow streets is absolutely mind boggling
Your advise does help alot of young drivers so never stop this guys.
And thanks to your advise Of being "slow and smooth will eventually lead to faster riding or driving" with riding is such a great help (And no unnecessary honking)
But yeah now the next advise which I trying to inculcate is that ABC of "Always be caring " At times due to bad mood swings of mine I maybe quite rude but I am working on it. And Kartikeya's advise of imagining the drivers to be your relatives is helping me reach that point.
Just Thanking you guys again to guide us young riders and drivers to be better versions of ourselves
ABC! We love it!
Thanks Kshitij!
There is no age limit buddy. We all assume young riders are the ones who make mistakes. Just come to Hyderabad and see for yourself. The sheer stupidity on the road will drive you crazy.
I love this rant btw!!
@@dr.ananthakrishnavemuri733I hear you brother. I see weird ways people crash. My friend I will discuss about what are possibilities to end up like that.
@@dr.ananthakrishnavemuri733 as a fellow Hyderabadi I agree with you👍🏻
If this helps anyone.
I remembered reading some research (publication details unavailable) about what makes a good driver. Interestingly, the key factor wasn't just the number of crashes one has, but a mindset.
Hundreds of drivers were surveyed, and many experienced drivers highlighted the importance of constantly asking "What if?" This mental habit keeps you alert and prepared.
Imagine: "What if I overtake now?" "What if I don't use my indicator?" or "What if the car behind me tries to pass?" By anticipating potential situations, your brain can formulate solutions and react faster, leading to safer driving.
This "what if?" approach is a valuable reminder, and I wanted to share it here.
Thank you for all the informative content - it's like a free daily masterclass!
Thank you for sharing @Jeu_on_the_road. That is good advice!
I think car manufacturers should atleast provide 4 star rated cars with stable bodyshell & also provide programs that spread awareness & improve the skill of the drivers
What happens when the new regulations come. Then the meaning of four stars will change. Will your previously 4 star car still feel safe to you?
@@motorinc isn't this whataboutery? Safety regulations are not set in stone, they keep developing. Till the time no one dies in a car crash, there will be improvements. If we are demanding a 4/5 star car FOR NOW, what's wrong with that? Screen sizes inside cars change, does that mean you'll stop people from asking a 10 incher if in the future 15 inches will become standard?
@@motorinc then 4 star will be according to new regulations
@@motorinc I agree, safety rating for Honda amaze dropped from 4 stars to 2 stars for exact same model, due to new norms.
@@pramod7426 what i meant manufacturers should also upgrade the cars strength as norms upgrade
Thanks Kartikeya, Shumi, and the entire @Motorinc team for improving our community by such high quality content. Every day I wait eagerly for your next upload and stop and just listen whenever you guys post something, esp in ThisConnect series. You guys are debunking my wrong beliefs, helping me recognize and correct my bad practices, and making me a better rider and driver!
Lots of love for the wonderful work you are doing, thank you so much!!
Our pleasure! Glad we can help, @ashutosh!
Hi guys im a sr. Citizen from Mumbai and your channel is like a breath of fresh air among the cacophony of channels reviewing cars undressing them from wheels to roofrails. The only thing left to do is to look underneath (chassis). Please do not change your format for whatsoever reason by showing the interiors of cars as suggested by someone like ... This is the gear box, this is s the glove box etc. anybody who wants to see the interiors of cars can always enter a showroom & gloat to their hearts content. The stock photos u show now & then when explaining a point is adequate . CONGRATULATIONS
Thanks so much Reginald! No plan to change formats at all! ♥️
This podcast truly opened my eyes. Back in 2018, when I was in the market for a car with a budget of 5 to 6 lakhs, I considered options like the Swift, i10, and Tiago. However, I chose the Tiago, primarily because it was the first 4-star safe car available my decision was influenced by my wife's discomfort with traditional seatbelts, (preferring those with height adjusters). Although I had to compromise on certain features like airbags and ESP, watching this episode made me realize the folly in our consumer choices. While I still harbor reservations towards Maruti for their lightweight and seemingly inferior build quality, I acknowledge the importance of the power-to-weight ratio. (light car gives us good performance if it has a peppy engine) Yet, I cannot overlook the role marketing played in swaying my decision.
The podcast also sheds light on the importance of being a responsible driver. Having learned to drive in my early teens, I've maintained a clean driving record over the past 20 years, save for a minor scrape. Moreover, I prioritize safety, ensuring my five-year-old son always wears a seatbelt, even though I haven't invested in a specialized seat for him yet. As an Indian, I believe it's crucial for our safety culture to evolve, not just on the roads, but across various aspects of our lives like cooking, working, and traveling.
Kudos to Motor Inc. for delivering such an enlightening and thought-provoking episode. I walked away from it with a wealth of knowledge far beyond what I initially anticipated.
Thank you for sharing your take AP, glad to hear from you again! And please, do invest in a child seat as soon as possible!
I always learn something new by listening to these podcasts, kudos to the entire team.
Thank you for joining us @gagandeepsinghgrewal6032! We'll pass on your compliments to the team.
You guys hit the nail on the head with this episode. Thank you for saying it because a lot of us drivers need to hear it. With that said , as a driver I have a simple system. I will not do things on the road if it irritates me when other drivers do it. Also I don’t drink ever which helps exponentially. Again great episode
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Hey! Thanks for this video. I echo every single reason when you said you being the reason for any crash, and importance being a 5 star driver than a buying a 5 star car.
I immediately sent this video to the folks whom i find it difficult to convince the importance of seat belts, to not keep loose materials that could be projectiles. Hopefully they go through this.
Thank you for that @karthikv6278!
Excellent Conversation. So the conclusion is that the 5 stars do not make you and your car invincible during a crash BUT you are still getting a fundamentally safer car designed to protect the occupants as best as it can from an engineering point of view. So DRIVE SAFE and DRIVE BETTER.
Indeed @chintanpatel5096... Even in a 5-star car, you're only as safe as your driving skills are.
This reminds me of one scenario In the UK where there was a particularly crash-prone intersection, and the only thing they needed to do to fix it was to add a dual roundabout. Just this alone reduced almost all of the crashes and also brought the average speed down, and they did not need speed cameras and limits. Because - the people started paying more attention because they were in an unfamiliar situation, and thus automatically brought their speed down and paid attention to the road and became aware. Shows how much driver attention plays a part in avoiding accidents.
Nice!!
Such a great dialogue. Thank you for being the Volvo of solid motoring content, it is insightful and accessible for the masses.
I agree with your points. Learning to be a better and more responsible driver/rider would improve my odds of never getting into a crash in the first place.
I'm way too excited for the next episode and it's such a coincidence that I took a test ride for 7 bikes this weekend (and, yes. If you remember my comments on the past couple videos, I was conflicted between a used car and a new bike, I'm going the bike way for now, a car is not making much financial sense as of now).
Well, I rode the following bikes in the exact same order.
1. Gixxer SF 250
2. V Storm 250
3. RTR 200
4. Scrambler 400X
5. Speed 400
6. 250 Duke
7. Maverick 440
I rode a scooter for the past 10 years. I had opportunities to ride a lot of TVS Apache RTR 200 (BS4, carb), 2023 KTM 200 Duke and Yamaha R15 M over the past 15 months.
I might be a little optimistic here, but I have gotten used to the power delivery of these vehicles.
I'm planning to buy one for myself now.
Hey Gaurav! Can we please discuss this in the next weekend's podcast comments?
@@motorinc sure.
Schumi casually dropping the comment that Maruti doesn't make the safest cars but it's helping make better driver is Gold
37:50 respect to telling it loud , how the crumble zone works. People look at the car to have the same shape even after the crash.
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This is one of the best podcast in recent times.. you both came up with the sensitive and realistic topic which everyone should know. Big Thank you
Thanks for joining Ravi!
Tyres are an extremely underrated component of safety.
Many people choose the budget option but Tyres are one place where it is okay to splurge.
I would greatly appreciate it if you could do a segment on Tyres.
We have @amoghavarshamurthy. Here: ua-cam.com/video/KD1hl9QXids/v-deo.htmlsi=Kr6nKxTFIMVSrvLJ
poofff.. u guys just blew my mind.. i started this episode with thinking that you guys will talk about some elite stuff which wont really matter for a middle class straight thinking ppl like me.. but u completely changed my mind.. it takes guts to tell the truth the way it is .. i think u guys said the truth out in the open.. i cannot expect such truths from ppl who are on the easier side of automotiv industry or who want to be on the right side of the automotive industry.. now i know that i can trust u guys completely and whole heartedly.. and yes .. now i will subscribe your channel schumi.. this is Dr Sushant Kurhade from Aamchi Mumbai..
Hi Doc, thank you for the kind words! We're glad that you're joining us on our journey.
Lot of insights. Some of them I didn't even think of.
This video is a gem.
About 6 months ago, I stumbled upon an video of drive test training in U.K.
That was a real eye opener for me. Since a lot of road signs and traffic is adapted from the UK, I began learning deeper 8 years after I got my licence.
Now I am trying to follow rules, learning patience and be a better driver. I got the badge of 'best driver' from from my friends.
But ironically they praise me but don't seem to follow me in driving safely.
Thanks for sharing @aswinb6941. Following traffic rules unfortunately is a choice today and until that changes, this will sadly continue.
One of the best videos I have seen. All I can say is thanks for such great content and every point makes sense.
An hour well spent with you both. I bought a 5star one looking at the specs, although got the 5star marketed to me more than i wanted them to. When I'm on the road, as a driver I feel responsible for all around me even though strangers they are, and be super predictable to each one. Basic funda is to make my "human factor" prevent crash altogether, cannot depend beyond a point on man made machinery, physics will wipe us out if we abuse it.
Indeed, thanks for understanding @soumitchatterjee2406.
I echo with every word you guys said about YOU being the biggest reason of crashes, and share the pain on swaying away from the core issue.
I was in London for 2 years on work, and I had the opportunity to go through the DL process in the UK for both 4 wheelers and Category A bikes (and ofcourse, passing it). Despite being a driver/ rider in India for almost 2 decades, it took me 2 attempts to clear both licenses. I’m surprised by how many accidents can be avoided by KNOWING your duties as a road user and the rights of others - Like using mirrors, lane discipline, giving way/ stopping at intersections, maintaining certain gap to the vehicle infront, knowing the difference between solid and dotted lines in a single carriageway, understanding priority of traffic at junctions etc. Despite considering myself a “good-responsible” driver/ rider even before the UK stint, I now switched to what they call ‘defensive driving’ and I see how much more smoother it made my driving/ riding now.
While I’m extremely glad I spent that money at driving and riding schools in the UK in becoming better driver/ rider, it makes my furious at how we in India are not able to address the root cause of all the accidents and even traffic congestion in cities - Just simple traffic education at driving schools and implementing the licensing laws the way they are supposed to be.
Thanks for sharing your take @nsh22987. We agree, there's a lot that we need to fix about road discipline and a major part of it is fixing how we drive.
Absolutely opens a new dimension for me to access an automobile going forward. Never thought that even something like a safeft feature or ranking can be used as a marketing tool. Thanks for making this episode and helping to broaden the horizon and will definitely find a space in any future decision while buying any car or bike.
Glad to help!
Love the subtle sarcastic humour throughout the video. Can't wait for the next one. I have a request, @motorinc, can you please make a video/ include it in next this connect video, what is a good starter bike for new riders? Probably sprinkle in some suggestions. I would greatly appropriate it.
Stay tuned! It’s coming sooner than you think!
I completed a ~400 km drive yesterday, I wholeheartedly agree it's the driver's skill that matters in terms of safety. I saw rowdy overtaking on highways yesterday. Especially the Konkan route when you reach Mangaon towards Panvel. Cretas/Innovas/Ertigas driving on the wrong side, bullying other cars to yield and accommodate them when a car comes from the other end because they decided they are too royal to be stuck in a traffic jam and can't afford to spend another second following other cars which were waiting patiently for their turn to move ahead. They would constantly honk at you if you didn't give them space to move. This one move encouraged the other drivers to do the same even though they didn't have the skills or a powerful car to make the move happen. I was stuck for almost 1 hour to complete a 3 km stretch on a national highway. What pissed me off more was that the traffic police did not do anything to these guys, it's like being rewarded for putting everyone in danger. sorry for the rant. if you are someone who pulls this move on any roads, please stop.
Thank you for sharing @ub678. Bottom line is that we all can and should drive better than we are currently.
Great discussion guys! I loved how you broke down different aspects of what goes into awarding a car a crash rating and how real world factors come into play and sort of dilute the rating during normal day to day usage. I am guilty of driving a bit recklessly when I first got my licence when I was 18 owing to my love for cars and also lack of maturity and road sense. Now , I am a completely different driver , but still striving to be a better driver than I was yesterday.
Looking back at my experience, there were instances where I had unnecessarily put my life, my passenger's life and surrounding motorists at risk not out of ill intent, but rather lack of awareness, which is why by creating awareness about these things through a channel like yours will help a lot of us commit far lesser mistakes.
Few topic discussion ideas.
1. Car driver looking at driving from a biker's point of view and vice versa.
2. Guidance for 18 year olds who just got their licence (car/bike) , dealing with peer pressure, hormones and over excitement while driving for the first time.
3. What to do when you find yourself in an accident, both scenarios where you caused it / someone else's fault. Handling injured party , Issues of threats/ dealing with cops/ dealing with people who gathered around you etc.
Thanks for the suggestions, Chetan! They're good ideas! And we're glad you found the podcast useful too!
What an absolutely brilliant conversation. The whole conversation around child safety was so apt.
Thank you @gautam8261
Thank you for talking through this crash test topic. I'm glad that you insisted on being a safe driver rather than having a star rated car. This also helps in new car purchases and also learning driving.
Do both! Drive better and get a safer car. But the order we said this in is crucial 😊
I'm a new driver and this episode was a bit of an eye-opener. The highlight of this episode was how the variables of real-life motoring have been properly addressed. Looking forward to more of the same.
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Thank you, @MotorInc, for this insightful podcast on the real-world safety of cars in India. Before watching this, I always assumed that higher safety ratings meant better chances of survival. However, you’ve shed light on the partial truth behind this. Safety is a combination of your driving skills, the drivability of your car, suspension, and finally, the safety rating.
Besides the discussion on safety, you've shared many valuable insights on becoming a better person in various aspects of life. We all know that to improve at anything, we need to tackle hard challenges, even though we often try to avoid or bypass them. Ultimately, doing the hard things is the only way forward. Thank you so much!
Thanks Mohit for being a part of the conversation and the change.
Wow! Such an insightful conversation between our two professors. The way you described passive safety and active safety is impressive. I'm always open for constructive criticism and when somebody objectify my thought that passive safety will save you from a crash is pure bullshit. I have always learnt that people often do mistakes while on road be it city or a highway so we need to be more careful and not panic. There is a whole lot of difference between careful and panic. I never overtake a vehicle if he's not able to see my car/bike and this is an important thing to do. And moreover people change their lanes left right and center without prior indication which is a hazard for everyone on the road.
There are a whole lot of things that need to be addressed but what I'm trying to tell everyone is to admit that we're not good drivers and we need to improve our driving skills. The day I started learning car driving, I always had this thought in my mind that whether I be able to be a better driver who respects other vehicles on the road and most importantly my job is to make my passengers feel comfortable and safe. Its the same case even with my bike as well. As of now riding for over 4 years, I had not even a single crash because of my careless behaviour. I always had my limitations and never ever even for once I crossed them and that is what making me feel safe. Always remember, its better to avoid accidents rather than deal with them by siting in a 5 star car.
My rules are fairly simple. Don't overspeed. Follow the traffic and most importantly be considerate. Don't indulge in road rage. Avoid night driving. If its an emergency, be extremely cautious while driving night. I comment in this channel about highway speeds frequently and I would repeat it that we don't require speeds anything more than 120 kmph. 100 kmph is good enough for even a 1000 km travel in a day if you plan accordingly. You don't need anything more than that. These are the speeds recommended by people globally and not bounded to Indian conditions. People doing more than 120 kmph, I'm sorry but you guys don't deserve drive/ride on a public road. If speeding is something you crave for, fortunately there are race tracks in our country(very few of them). Do as much speeds as you can where you can also learn how to ride/drive better.
Sorry! This is a lengthy message but I hope everyone understand my thoughts on passive vs active safety. I always wish manufacturers do their best with regards to passive safety and I guess they are in the right direction. But its our commonsense to take passive safety as a lab test and that's it. Shumi put out an amazing example of fuel efficiency figures in their lab tests and we even need to consider crash tests similarly. Its manufacturers marketing strategy and we need to be smart enough not to fall into such strategies and take them with a pinch of salt.
Thanks Surya! It’s awesome to hear your take!
Super insightful!! Anyone looking for a new car must watch this video first. In an ideal world, this video should have gone viral. I genuinely believe the safety of a driver / rider is in their own hands. Safety ratings are just a way for drivers to outsource the responsibility of being a good driver and the false sense of safety oftens makes drivers irresponsible thinking that the car will protect them. Hence more and more "SUVs" are being sold and drivers keep on getting worse everyday, not only risking their own lives but also of other drivers / riders and not to forget the pedestrians. I wish more brands were actively spreading awareness about safe driving practices instead of relying on marketing "5 star ratings"
I was today years old that I learned the test ratings and safety has nothing to do with each other. Thanks! Also, if there’s some sort of class or course you do for riding, I’d really like to be a part of it! I can learn so much about how to ride better.
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Shumi teaches at indimotard.com/two
Great podcast! I agree with the perspective. I too used to think these auto drivers are reckless and annoying, but now I have accepted the situation that I can't change stuff in what happens at the road anymore, and it is better to be extra cautious, ride slow and be at peace with myself than getting annoyed at other people's recklessness.
It applies to life too buddy. I've learnt it with experiences. We have no control over others.
Thank you guys. We love hearing the maturity of these conversations. 🙏🏾
Great take buddy.
Absolutely beautiful conversation 🙌🙌🙌🙌. Never seen a more thorough discussion this nicely.
Thanks for listening @tummalapallisaurabh8708!
This is the GOAT episode of MotorInc. Period.
Thank you for joining us @abhinavtirkey!
This podcast made me more humble. I drive normally defensively but this podcast made me feel like an idiot to all those times i have driven fast , overtaking with a 50:50 chance , just feeling safe behind the wheel having a 5 star rated car . Will be more careful from now on . Thanks motorinc team for such a insightful and wonderful podcast 🎉
Thanks for joining us @avinashmm4714.
One of the best discussions, with statistics, on the topic. Kudos.
Thanks Rohit!
Another point which I related is that when I drove the virtus, taigun, ZS,Hector. Talking about the dynamics, those cars are so loyal, I mean one can’t crash in those vehicles if he’s driving responsibly or even in scenarios they have excellent control and incase mishap goes, they are safe. So I’d say the VW, MG cars are great safe cars not just because of their build quality but because of handling, braking, dynamics that has a major role to play including driver’s skill. Thank you guys❤️🔥
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Awesome to see you guys talk again about safety. By design a 4 wheeler is much safer than a 2 wheeler & your last video on safe motorcycling behaviour is really awesome. I request you guys to make a video about the importance of motorcycle safety equipment & what are all the things we need to consider before choosing the right equipment. Because I want to increase my safety not just by the behavioral changes but also by equipping myself with proper gear to prevent those unavoidable bad events.
Can do! Thanks Doc!
Kudos to motorinc team for bringing up probably the most important topics in automobile industry in each of their podcasts. Drive safe and wear seatbelt and instead of buying a Pro Max series of iPhone buy a Pro series and get that child seat for your baby it costs less than a Goa trip which most of us do, and those who are tight on budget just think that your car don’t have a music system and you’ve to spend another 20-30k on it, you would definitely not regret if your little one stays safe… happy motoring buddies
That's a nice way to put it @chaitanyakarpe7381!
Listened to the entire conversation and it had a lot of new information for me. I could relate to what Shumi said regarding how we rate ourselves as riders/drivers and how we actually are. And as Karthik said only after realising that I can also crash anytime that I feel that my driving and riding has changed at least a little for the good. Great content and I feel that of all the recent podcasts, this one was a lot more intense and I feel the intent with which you have discussed it over here. Hats off!!
Just wanted to point out one more observation not specific to the topic, but regarding the podcast as a format. I don’t know if it’s my UA-cam algorithm that has started to show me a lot more podcasts from other automotive channels in India or is it that you have cracked open a new way to connect with people on automobiles and others are following your path. Either ways I’m really loving the insights I’m getting out of it. 🙂
Thank you for the kind words @pskiranps. We're glad that we can be of help to you!
While discussing first-time bike buyers, it'll help people like me if you can talk about folks who have either been riding a bike but haven't owned one themselves or have been riding their 1st bike (or scooter) while they were in college specifically for commuting and now are more enthusiastic about it.
Great episode by the way. Great content👏
Can do! Stay tuned Ashish!
Loads of valuable information. Thanks for sharing with me. You are absolutely spot on on many observations. This episode begs another question, how can I know that I am a good driver (car). What are the characteristics of a good driver? How do you evaluate at the end of, say a long road trip to evaluate your driving skills? Should it be near misses, sudden urge of rashness/madness, streching beyond a point etc. Would appreciate if you can maybe think of doing a podcast on this, if you can. Thanks.
Hi @bhanuranjith, thanks for joining us. And yes, this has been one of the most requested things for ThisConnect and we're doing this soon. We'll see you there!
You've covered everything accurately, and shared the complete facts (5* is nothing without driver/passanger discipline). Thank you for making this video❤.
My request, "Please translate this episode to Hindi as well so that it can be understood by more people driving vehicles". It might be a lots of rework but it will definitely save crashes and people will buy vehicles which are suitable to them rather than something marked well.
Thanks Devesh! We're working on the Hindi for sure!
All the serious talk aside, the "Thanks man" from Kartikeya when Shumi describes Anti personnel mines was hilarious! 😂
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