The Sinking of Musashi
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2023
- Welcome to Shipwreck Sunday! We are Derek and Elinor, a couple who loves movies, games, TV shows, and ships! In this podcast, we discuss shipwrecks and how they affect our everyday life.
In today's video... Elinor walks you through the birth, life, and death of the second Yamato-class sister, Musashi!
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The bow is the very front part of the ship, and the very back end of it is called the stern. The port side is the left and the starboard side is the right. Propellers are sometimes referred to as “screws.” The hull is the metal sides of the ship, the keel is the very bottom of it, and the superstructure is the top deck, usually made of wood. Smokestacks or funnels are large tunnels on top of the ship used to direct steam and smoke away from the deck. Masts are large wooden poles on the deck of the ship, usually used to hoist sails or hold a crow’s nest where crew members can see for miles around the vessel. Beam is a measurement that refers to the width of the ship. - Розваги
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and story about the Musashi. According to author Frank O. Braynard in his book The Story of Ships, Japan began the war with nine battleships and lost eleven during the conflict. An excellent book on Musashi is called Battleship Musashi by Akira Yoshimura. In that book the author describes the fate of the more than a thousand surviving crew members. Many were isolated, because the Imperial Navy Command didn’t want to acknowledge the loss of this important vessel, and they did not have any contact with their relatives. Many were sent to fight as infantry on islands, and lost their lives defending against US invasion forces. Even though over a thousand men survived the sinking of their ship, few survived the war.
Another Japanese battleship that sank with a huge magazine explosion was IJN Mutsu, another very powerful vessel. Her powder magazine exploded while she was moored at the Hashirajima fleet station. The investigation into her loss was focused primarily on sabotage by one of her crewmen, but as powder propellants for naval guns are quite unstable, the loss may have been due to improper storage of the powder. A number of battleships have been destroyed by accidental internal explosions, including the Italian Leonardo da Vinci and the Japanese pre-dreadnought Mikasa. The Italian ship was a total loss, but Mikasa was restored and is on display as a memorial for the 1904 Japanese victory over the Russian fleet at the Battle of Tsushima.
Another battleship that was lost was the dreadnought France, which sank in the early 1920s after hitting an uncharted rock in Quiberon Bay. Thankfully, most of her crew were rescued. Thanks again for this fine presentation. I really enjoy your channel, having a lifelong passion for ships and the sea. I remember seeing somewhere that during the history of sailing more than a million ships have been lost. So I don’t think you should have to worry about running out of material!
Thanks so much for adding to the conversation, I LOVE when we can all share information together! I'm going to pin your comment so future viewers can see this information, as well! Cheers!
@@shipwrecksunday Thank you for your kindness. I showed your response to my wife and she is very proud of me. Love your channel and your style. Keep up the great work!
@@lumberlikwidator8863 Thank you so much! Cheers to you and your wife! 😁
Thanks for not playing goofy music while telling us the story. Your voice is clear to understand. Thanks TD Atlanta
Thank you for your support!! Cheers!
Hi Ms. Elinor, your presentation is excellent - Please, put aside the so-called "experts" and "arm-chair admirals/sailors/linguists/..." who just love to make comment(s), critique(s), etc... Your video is well done, respectful of this tragedy (war is a tragedy) and does provide for respect of the combatants/victims of this horrible confrontation. Let us not forget that the leaders/heads-of-state that declare and/or start wars are not the soldiers/sailors/airmen-women that will have to fight them or the civilians that will suffer/endure them.
Your description is clear and articulate; you have researched your subject thoroughly. Thank you for sharing your studies with the YT community and hopefully, a younger generation can learn from the mistakes of our past. Peace be with you, Ciao, L (Veteran Naval Officer).
Thank you very much! I really appreciate that ❤️❤️
@@shipwrecksunday , Hi Elinor, you are welcome - keep your good work, "wise" people and Veterans do appreciate it. Ciao, L
I agree 100% with @ lancelot1953. I also served as a USN officer. I am guessing we served at about the same time as I was born in 1954, and in a Naval Hospital ! Your presentation was worthy of a 4,0, Bravo Zulu.
Magnificently done. You just gained another subscriber. As a historian that specializes in East Asian History and an avid enthusiast of the Imperial Japanese Navy it warms my heart to see History channels arising on UA-cam.
(One note: Leyte is pronounced Lay Tay)
Thanks so much!! Cheers! Thank you for your corrections and support! ❤️
@@shipwrecksunday You are most welcome. I will be watching your Yamato video this evening. I am looking forward to going through your shipwreck playlist.
YOU DID A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB !!-I FOUND OUT THINGS, I NEVER KNEW BEFORE !--PLEASE KEEP IT UP !!--LEARN AS YOU GO !
Thank you so much! Cheers, friend!
I took your advice. I sat back and enjoyed.
Thanks so much! ❤️
Very good job. Some notes: "forecastle" is pronounced roughly "foc'sal." The submerged explosion may have been due to over-worked surviving engines as the ship was purportedly trying to reach land in order to beach itself. U.S. Navy planners learned to subsequently attack IJN Yamato on one side with torpedoes while other planes also concentrated on bombing and strafing AA guns and crews on that same side. I believe Yamato went down more quickly as a result. Again, good job!
Thank you so much! Cheers, friend!!
I find it interesting how both Yamato and Musashi sank in very similar ways, both detonating below the surface, both being split in two, and both having the stern upside down and bow upright.
Right? It's tragic but also fascinating!
the Yamato detonated just before she sank
Thank you for your honesty and effort. I enjoyed you video. My mother was a Hiroshima survivor who met my father in Yokosuka Japan in 1955 and they married. My dad was on the USS St. Paul as an engineman on the then flag ship of the 7th fleet. He also served a very short stint on the Iowa Class Battle Ship when she went to Vietnam. I was born at the Yokosuka naval hospital in 1960 and grew up around navy talk. Musashi and Yamato we amazing vessels for their time… but it would be safe to say the day of the “battleship” was obsolete by the time the Pacific Theater started. Keep up your good work.
Thank you so much! I'm so sorry your mother had to go through that. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrific!
@@shipwrecksunday my mothers story started 8 years before Hiroshima and a story to long and personal to place in UA-cam comments. But she lived 83 long years, never complained, always had a smile on her face and I told her life story at her funeral… her friends of 40 years never knew. She was that way. I never saw my parents argue and they gave me the best life possible. It is my honor to share her story. I thank you so much for your reply. Good journey.
Mishasi was one tough lady!
Lots of details not given by other vloggers or event documentaries on TV. As well as a nice touch of the human side of these two warriors. Loving the episodes!
Musashi
So Yamamoto Isoriku was actually a fan of America. He got his Master's Degree at Harvard. He lost two fingers during the Russo-Japanese War in 1905. But he went to Harvard in the 1920s and actually LOVED America.
I’d say he respected America. He did carry out his duties and went to war for his home nation. Even though he knew from the beginning that Japan would lose if the war dragged on.
Excellent video. You squeezed a lot of important info into that 28 minutes!
Thanks so much!!
Actually her AAA armament wasn’t nearly overkill because, although numerous and providing voluminous fire…. the guns themselves (along with their respective rounds) left much to be desired. That said, this was a pretty comprehensive look at this ship and no easy feat I am sure. Thanks!
Thanks so much for your correction! It is so important to me that information gets double checked like this and I really appreciate you! Cheers!
Your final comments about the respect due the sailors on Musashi are in my opinion correct. My father served in the Seabees during WWll (76th CB) in Hawaii, Guam, and later with the USA occupation forces in Sasebo (98th CB). My father lost an older brother KIA in Weilerswist, Germany on March 3, 1945 (78th Infantry Division-US Army… RIP Uncle Jack). Years ago I asked my father if he harbored any resentment towards the people of Germany and what he said is pretty much a reflection of what you said in this video. My father said that the common soldier was following orders and he did not fault them, in his opinion wars are created and started by politicians. He thought that if 2 countries got into a serious disagreement then the politicians should stay out of it and let some of the regular folks sit down together around a kitchen table over coffee and work out a solution. Even today this appears to be true, it is the politicians and leaders that have blood on their hands.
Yep. And if the politicians have made such a hash of things war is now inevitable the the positions should be the first go in, you know, to fix their mess
That was absolutely riveting . Loved every second.
Thanks so much!! Cheers!
I enjoyed your video over a coffee this Sunday morning 26 Nov 2023, they were magnificent ships and a credit to their builders. Thanks again and now off to Chester UK
Thanks so much! Cheers!
Very nicely done! Great information and great narration.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that.
Nicely presented presentation I enjoyed it.
The Intrepid you use in your picture at 22:03 is the right ship but the wrong year. She did not have an angled flight deck until her refit in 1957. This was something I had to look up since I was not sure when they started using angled flight decks. The first angled flight deck was also an Essex class carrier the USS Antietam (cv36) which was modified in 1952.
Parroting what others have said thank you for not having background music and delivering your information in a very clear voice. There was some great information here thank you.
Thank you so much for your corrections! ❤️
This is my favourite class of battleship, and with her sister, Musashi being discovered in 2015 by the research team funded by Microsoft co-founder, Paul G. Allen, and hope their half sister ship, Shinano will be discovered soon.
There are a few interesting things about Yamato, such as the German naval attaché Paul Wenneker visited her, and Japanese Admiral Naoki Nomura visited Tirpitz, and of course, Yamato was named Hotel Yamato by her crew, and Musashi, known as The Palace amoung her officers.
Some of Musashi's blueprints went missing, and the Japanese went to the extreme by hiring a clairvoyant to help find the missing documents.
Their where two aditional ships built specifically for the Yamato class, Kashino helped ferry her main guns.
Musashi took longer to build since she was specifically built as a flagship.
I own the 2005 film about Yamato, Otoko Tachi No Yamato, as well as the more recent The Great War Of Archimedes, however, there is a film made about Yamato made as early as 1953.
Great video, take care, and all the best.
Thank you so much for all of this extra information, I really appreciate it!
Thanks for the info. I hope your channel prospers. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much! ❤️
Love this video! And thank you for not having loud background music!
Thanks so much for your feedback! Cheers, friend!
Imagine a ship down 13 feet by the bow and still making 20 knots. Unreal... Great video E... Very interesting...
Maybe the New Jerseys (cause they had such a high bow) and nothing else can think of.
Thanks so much! I didn't read anything in my research stating anything special with the bow, so to think it was down 13 feet and going so quickly is crazy to think about! Cheers!
Excellent presentation. Your hard work in research and collaboration of putting together this video is impressive, thank you
About Yamato battleship to much videos are available but about her sister's Musashi no. This is i one of want. Excellent, complete and helpful. 👏👏👏👏👍👍👍❤❤❤ from Iran
Thanks so much!! ❤️❤️
@@shipwrecksunday 🤩🤗😎💪🙏🙏🙏👌
Good job. Maybe do one on the mystery of why Fuso didn't roll over until she was alone and nobody saw it.
I have a model of the musashi when I was small.very accurate.thanks.
Appreciate the doco and the lack of loud music. Subscribed. Thank you.
Thank you so much!!
There was a third Yamato class hull which was finished as an aircraft carrier and also sunk during the Pacific war.
Yeah, Shinano! IIRC she was the largest ship sunk by submarine to date.
Nicely done, I really love the Fletchers. Magnificent little war boats, and very, very trim.
Thank you so much!
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Great narrative!
Thank you!
You're quite welcome! @@shipwrecksunday
Excellent episode Elinor !!
Thanks so much! Good to see ya again!
The pic of the Lexington is of CV2, sunk at Coral Sea in May 1942. The Lexington at Leyte Gulf was the Essex class CV16.
The IJN knew how to build them. Both Musashi and Yamato absorbed a tremendous amount of punishment. There aren't many ships that could withstand that type of assault.
So true!!
Nice presentation very informative and well produced. Keep up the good work it’s always good to see quality Content👍
Good Episode! now I have to listen to Musashi!
Thank you very much! Good to see you back!
Great video. Leyte Gulf is pronounced "Lay-tee Gulf". Thank you for an informative video!
Thanks so much for your corrections! ❤️
Now go for IJN Shinano. The 3rd of the class but converted to an aircraft carrier. Pretty interesting too...
I'll have to look into that one! Cheers!
Musashi holds the "record" for having absorbed more punishment than any battleship in history. She didn't go gently
She was a bad ass ship!
Well done! Your speech is a little fast for me but I was able to capture everything. Thank you
Thanks so much! I naturally talk very fast and I'm working on that, so I really appreciate your support and feedback ❤
Very informative and interesting. The absence of annoying background music is a bonus. Thanks.
Thanks so much!!
The Sinking of Shinano, the largest aircraft carrier of her time
Thank you for your recommendation!! We will look into her.
@@shipwrecksunday judging from this video, both Musashi and Yamato's fates were sealed by US Navy carrier-launched planes.
However, Shinano was sunk by a US submarine, still holding the record for being the largest warship ever sunk by a sub.
@@champagnegascogne9755 man I missed out not covering her! I'll have to take a look. Thank you so much.
Very fine job, young lady.
Thank you very much! Cheers!
@@shipwrecksunday
You done good.
3:30 those huge antennas could only see 49ft ahead? Did you mean 49km? 😅
So DP guns are meant to shot both surface an air targets. The USN's famous 5-in/38-cal guns did exactly that. With various kinds of fuses timed by radar, electronic, or contact fuses.
The "Unsinkable Musashi" took more bomb and torpedo hits than the "Unsinkable Yamato" did If it floats it can sink end of story
Very true!!
@@shipwrecksunday Like when "The Unsinkable Bismark" sank "The Unsinkable Hood" which in turn was sunk four days later No ship is "Unsinkable"
Discouraging. For years i have been looking for a ship i could restore and use to shell a few coastal cities. And, now here is another one that will need tons of repair. Be cheaper to build a replica. I’ve got to remember to order the steel.
well done guys as you did your homework well
Thanks so much!
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I thought you did a great job of presenting the videos of the 2 sister ships, in spite of your warning that you did not do this kind of sinking. You also did a commendable job getting through the Japanese names and other Japanese words. This made it funny to hear some other words like Leyte (it is 2 syllables) and Grumman a little bit off. You brought out details not commonly mentioned which shows you did some great research before recording the video.
I am so bad at pronouncing some things and I try my best but sometimes I just can't figure it out 😂 thank you so much for your feedback! I'm so glad you enjoyed the videos on these two sister ships! They had fascinating stories. Cheers!!
Lay-Tee
Thank you for not using those robot voices
I read somewhere that the 18in guns on musashi and yamato were not very accurate? Anyone know of information on that?
I do not! But I wouldn't be surprised - not all guns on ships were super accurate back then.
The guns were very accurate for the time, the dispersion varies over range though, especially at 26 miles. The fire control systems are more important. Drach did a very educational video on gun range and accuracy, well worth watching.
Probably my first post which didn't mention booze!:-)....DOH!
@@GordonHouston-Smith love Drach! He's so knowledgeable and a gift to our community.
Very well done... Suggest that you check two pronunciations:
1, Yokosuka is very often mispronounced by Americans. Phoenetically the Japanese pronounce it as Yokuska
2. Leyte (as in Leyte Gulf) is pronounced in rwo syllables Ley - tey
the americans got huge toll of losing aswell ,,because musashi gave its best shot during its collosal battle in the sea when u think of it? not just arsenal but its defence that defended both air and sea..so we cant argue with this..
Your photo of the Intrepid showed F-4 Phantoms on the deck.
Who was Yamato's "brother" ship?
sister the Musashi
As far as I know, Yamato class consisted of 3 ship. They are Battle ship of 64,000 tonnes with 9x16” gun. They are Yamato, Musashi dan Shinano. Shinano sunk after torpedo attack by US submarine.
I believe you are correct! I did not know about the third one when I made these episodes, but I'll have to cover her as well!
I was always under the impression that the Yamato class battleships main guns were 18", not 16". We used 9 of the 16" main guns on our Iowa class battleships.
Shinano was an Aircraft carrier. She was the Hull of the third unfinished Yamato class Battleship. Shinano was sunk during Sea trials in the Inland Sea by the American Submarine Archerfish.
Shinano was converted to an aircraft carrier at the early hull stage of construction. She was sunk while being relocated from Tokyo Bay to the inland sea. Sank in deep water off Honshu.
Yamamoto was ambushed as a result of interception of Japanese army messages used in the Solomons setting up his visit schedule. Decryption came from documents recovered from a large Japanese submarine which was sunk by new Zealand minesweepers off Guadalcanal.
@@kellymeggison9418 18.1"
She wouldn't have been able to hear anything with her hydrophone worthwhile unless she shut odd all machinery and ventilation systems. She also had her escorts surrounding her creating quite a racket.
Very true!
20:58 wrong lexington. That's the original one that sank at coral sea. The lexington at leyte was an essex-class
Thank you for your correction!! Cheers!
Good video! I've said this on another video, but it applies here too. It's ironic that the very same nation which proved to the world that the battleship was no longer king of the seas and could be dominated from the air built the two largest battleships ever to set sail only to see them both sunk by airpower.
Also, can you imagine being one of those poor saps who had their ship sunk, got rescued, and then got transferred to the "unsinkable" Musashi only to get their asses bombed off and thrown back into the water for a second time? Talk about bad luck!
Just one minor correction, the Curtis Helldiver's designation is SB2C not 2B2C. An easy way to remember it is by its nickname "Son of a Bitch, 2nd Class".
Thanks so much for adding to the conversation! That would absolutely suck being sunk on one ship just be sunk on a second. Also, thanks for your correction with the aircraft! That is a perfect way to remember it! Cheers!
What is a long ton?
A long ton is an Imperial (American) measurement and is equivalent to 2,240lbs (1,106.05 kilograms). A "short ton" is equivalent to 2,000lbs (907.17 kilograms). A metric tonne is equivalent to 2,204lbs (1,000 kilograms). It's used to measure weight and displacement.
As for Musashi, she displaced 64,000 metric tonnes!
In the Musashi expedition footage from the Paul Allen dives from 2015 a new detail was discovered beneath one of the Type 96 25 mm armored mounts on the superstructure. What appears to be a anti air warfare platform or observation platform.
( I jotted the timestamp from the released footage down somewhere if anyone wants to see for themselves) (130:18).
As far as I can tell this detail wasn't known before then. It's amazing that we are still rediscovering things about these ships 80 years later.
Respect for all who served and especially the fallen sailors on both sides in the war. May the fallen rest in peace.
Drop the disclaimer
Hi! We did in later videos.
Without a hull number or name she is very identifiable. There's only two ships that thick or armed. It's Yamato that blew into a million bits. INJ Musashi did not detonate.
Over 2 feet
My understanding is that Japan never fully utilized those 2 massive battleships. Wonder how things would have been if Japan had.
Totally agree!
They just would of been sunk earlier with most likely little actual results. Even the American battleships were little more than massive anti-aircraft platforms and shore bombardment vessels
Battleship/battlecruiser gun battles in the style of Jutland just didn't occur in the Pacific War. Probably the most useful heavy gun-armed capital ships for the Japanese were those of the KONGO class, with their high speed and relative fuel economy.
Well, that's the point isn't it? They could not be utilized due to the changing nature of warfare and the introduction of aircraft.
The Lexington you pictured was sunk long before in the Battle of the Coral Sea on the 8th May 1942. Good vid otherwise
Thank you for that correction, I appreciate it! Cheers!
@@shipwrecksunday you are more than welcome 🤗
Really love you videos and Eleanor’s beautiful voice and all the topical shipwrecks that interest me 😊
Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪 ☺️
@@shipwrecksunday by the way, the Masaba (first ice message to the Titanic) was sunk near me, keep meaning to visit her wreck.
Lusitania 3rd officer Bestic lost a ship within sight of me in WW2. He was captain of the lightship tender Isolda bombed by the Germans. An interesting story that one 😊
@@Redgolf2 Thank you so much for sharing your story! I'll have to look into her and see what I can dig up. Cheers!
I think if there is anything that could be criticized about your video is the use of incorrect ships when describing the action and events. There was an Essex-class Lexington carrier I'm sure you could have used instead of the old carrier that was already sunk during the Coral Sea battle. Some of the other American carriers you pictured were also not ships being discussed. Otherwise, a very nice video.
Musashi didn't weigh much more than an Abrams tank.
1,000 maybe
Did I just hear a trigger warning? In a video about war?
Hi! I have viewers who are children. This warning is for their parents to decide whether or not to allow their children to watch my videos. Thanks!
Quite note, it's LEY-teh, not "Late"
Thank you for your correction! I really appreciate it and it helps me improve as a creator!!
@@shipwrecksunday love your content! Looking forward to more!
Leyte Lay Tea
Grum men
Honeycombed
Is a disclaimer really needed?
Im certain anyone choosing to watch these videos is not so fragile of constitution that they cant handle the graphic realities of the business end of naval battles
Hi! That is for anyone with PTSD who may not be aware of the graphic content we cover. It is also there to keep our channel algorithm-friendly. Thanks!
@@shipwrecksunday
That makes sense, I get it now. Excellent content!!!
Thanks so much! Cheers! So glad you enjoy the content.
Fact : The World at War series on WWII could not even be shown on network television in this era , in it of itself , proof , We as a nation are being attacked from evil within , there is your trigger warning , cute voice though .
Leyte is pronounced "lay-tee" or "lay-tay."
Forecastle, a naval term, is properly pronounced "fo'c'sle."
Pretty good, but try to pronounce "Yokosuka" a bit better, says this US destroyer veteran. (TIP: The "u" after "s" is silent, such as in "sukiyaki".) Domo arigato gozaimasu! (The "u" isn't pronounced here, either.)
Thank you for your tips!!
Yokosuka is pronounced as "Yokuska."
Lay-tee. Have you never heard it pronounced?
Sass-eh-boh; that's how it's prnounced.
Good video. Just want to offer a tiny bit of help. The Leyte is not pronounced "late", as you say throughout the video. The word is pronounced "lay-tay". I know, I lived in Leyte for 4 years.
Cheers!
Stupid trigger warning, wise up!
Hi! I have children who listen to my channel. If you don't like it, you can go somewhere else! Thanks!
Please stop with the stupid trigger warnings! Who are those for, anyway? People who are intersted in war but don't think it's violent? Come on; treat people like adults.
Hi! I have children who listen to my content. So I have trigger warnings in place for parental guidance.
Trigger warnings are for the communist amongst us wearing the mask of a patriotic American . These so called triggers , aka , America is actually no better than the Axis , and in no way exceptional , That , is what and who a trigger warning is for .
These are the same people who complain about mispronunciation and wrong spelling. Does any of that matter if the point comes across? I don't think so. To those people sorry we're not on the level of your highly evolved intelligence LOL some of us are just common working Folk. You know the same type of people who fought and won this war.
@@shipwrecksunday you're taking about the sinking of a warship. That's not something for small children. Having said that, keep your kids out of our military. It's not what it was
@@hughsmith7668 I don't control what parents allow their children to listen to. However I do find it funny the people triggered by the trigger warnings are always the ones calling other people snowflakes. If you don't like it, then watch someone else's content!
Your picture of the Lexington was not the Lexington at Leyte Gulf. That Lexington was sunk in the battle of the Coral Sea
Thank you!!
Her crew called her, The Place.
I love that! Thank you so much for adding to the information in this episode!
It’s not late gulf, it’s Lay-taa 17:55 gulf…. Leyte Gulf 😮 just saying 😊