M1 Max vs M1 Ultra Mac Studio: Thermal Throttle Test!
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- How much BETTER is the M1 Ultra Mac Studio's COPPER cooling system compared to the M1 Max model? We do a FULL Teardown and then compare the fans/temps/throttling! (SECRET)
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In this video, we do a FULL TEARDOWN of the M1 Max Mac Studio, showing you guys ALL of the internals including the SSD, the power supply, the speaker, the aluminum cooling system, the heatsinks, AND the M1 Max SoC chip!
We also compared it to the M1 Ultra model to show you guys the difference.
We then ran a bunch of benchmarks and thermal throttling tests to see just HOW much better the M1 Ultra Mac Studio's copper cooling system was compared to the M1 Max's aluminum cooling system.
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M1 Max Mac Studio - 00:00
M1 Max Mac Studio Teardown - 1:17
M1 Max vs M1 Ultra Split-view - 2:27
Removing the Logic Board - 3:28
M1 Max SoC Chip Reveal - 4:59
Fan Noise & Speeds
100% CPU Thermal Throttle Test - 7:53
100% GPU Thermal Stress Test - 10:45
100% CPU & GPU Torture Test - 11:14
GPU Wattage Issues - 11:42
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I been watching your videos for months!
Each video is HIGH Quality and from the thumbnail I could easily see that there was a LOT of difference between the aluminium and copper heatsinks/cooling. Thanks for covering the reason behind the difference in weight. Love your videos, always! Watching this at 2:12AM lol!
You should install the M1 Ultra heatsink into the M1 Max motherboard, if its compatible of course!
Can it be overclocked? Does it need a firmware change or something to overclock?
What happened to the Fan Noise & Speeds section? What are the sound differences?
What about the fans of the MS M1 Max being audible when idle? There are some rumors about this on the interwebs. Can you confirm this?
Copper has almost double the thermal conductivity for the same area. The reason the temps are the same is that the M1 Ultra occupies a larger (almost double) area. So it all evens out. Idk why I’m pointing this out I guess it’s just nice to see that the results are consistent with physics.
Maybe with extra headroom if you load it up with max amount of RAM
Would the black paint help with the cooling too?
Thermal conductivity is an intrinsic property of the material and not related to area. For a heat sink, aluminum alloy is usually used because you can increase the cross section to achieve the same thermal resistance in plane as copper. If you have to use copper it’s because there was no space. Copper actually has more than twice the thermal conductivity of the aluminum alloys used here, since pure aluminum is rarely used.
@@justinhalsall4077 the radiative coupling will be relatively weak if the absolute temperatures and their differences are relatively low. Also note that in the infrared wavelengths of interest the colour is not important, it’s the thickness of the paint that dominates the emissivity, since if it’s too thin the paint layer becomes transparent and the metal underneath has low emissivity due to the electron mobility
@@ProfessorHamer maybe I have the scientific terminologies in English wrong but I do know that the thermal properties and area covered and volume used are all correlated. Thank you for adding to my knowledge.
Hey Max, congrats on your teardown. You have everybody in the industry using your images and talking about you, hopefully you'll get a few more hundred subs. I know business is hard and you always gotta be ahead of the pack, well this time you tore it up lol.
Please add Illustrator or Coreldraw to your benchmark test since a lot of us graphic artist are also deciding which Mac to go with.
Great Job as always.
Blessings 🙏🏾
Also, photo editing programmes such as Photoshop, Affinity Photo, or Luminar Neo.
It would be great to see these results.
Can you supped up the graphics core on the studio?
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At last! a commenter who requests tests for us illustrators!
@@jabulaniharvey yup.
Sometimes I have 100mb files in coreldraw and illustrator and I'd love to see how the M1s respond to those kind of files especially when you still have much work to do with them.
I wanna see a Mac run STEAM and the Quest VR software! Quest needs a lot more Developers! 😬
5:30 AM? That's Max dedication! Who am I kidding, that's ULTRA dedication! Thank you!
lmao
There is a thing called time zones…
@@adhprakash He's talking about 8:42 when Max was testing the CPU thermal stress at 5.30 in the morning.
at 11:01, you can see in the top right (nearish the clock) the gpu is running at 100% while the cpu is at about 24%. This suggests to me that running the two tests at the same time meant the cpu wasn't able to feed the gpu fast enough to max it out.
Seriously great content on a consistent basis - you guys are killing it. Articles across the net referring to your work taking the Studio apart! Deep dives and analysis on another level. Max Tech is the gold standard..
Awesome details! You got an even bigger advantage than any Tech UA-camr out there
Hey Max! You are absolutely killing it with these videos!! Hope you reach 1M subs soon, thanks for the video!
Or M1 subs
Really impressed that you go to the Tear down path to show their differences. Keep it up and this will surely help potential buyers with their decision^ Hope for that 1M subs soon
The M1 Ultra heatsink fan (HSF) had a copper vapour chamber to transfer heat from the M1 Ultra heatspreader to the copper finstack. The M1 Max HSF features a more simple and conventional copper heat pipe to aluminium finstack setup.
The ULTRA has a vapor chamber in place of the heat pipe in the MAX (at 4:30). The vapor chamber is similar to a heat pipe in terms of principle, but it is constructed by layering and fusing copper sheets instead of starting from extruded copper tubes. The advantage of the vapor chamber is that the enclosed volume isn't limited to one dimension (the tube profile), so heat can spread in two planes instead of one.
You guys are my go-to for all my Mac tech buys and reviews! Excellent job!!!
Thank you again for all the hard work and doing these... Amazing. Every Mac user should watch... fascinating.
As always Max Tech, kudos on the great intense work you do!
Thank you! This is the exact video that I wanted to know.
Amazing review as always. 1M subs coming up right away!
The different thermal pastes (thermal interface materials) is likely due to several factors: There is a requirement to minimize resistance to heat flow (thermal impedance) and also a need to accommodate tolerances of a variety of chip components within the multi-chip module. Since the CPU is the most power dense, the engineers want to minimize thermal impedance path from the CPU chip to the heat sink system, thus the thermal interface for the CPU is optimized for the lowest thermal impedance (the gray stuff). Since it would be more costly to make the memory chips perfectly level with the CPU (eg. precision grinding/lapping of an already-assembled SOC module) and use a single plate (as they did for the ULTRA), the engineers opted instead to use another type of thermal interface material for the memory chips (the black stuff). This is actually a gap filler material since the mechanical limits of the CPU interface will actually limit how close the memory can get to the heat sink. Gap fillers are designed to be highly compressible with low application force and then stay in place. The gap filler for the memory probably has a much higher thermal impedance than the CPU because it is thicker, but that is OK because the memory also has much lower power density than the CPU.
Amazing reviews
I love your work keep it up
Love your test videos. Don’t forget to rest a bit!
Max Tech, hope you get to 1M soon. Your teardown from last week is all over the interwebs :-)
Once again this video confirms that you are providing the BEST reviews of the new Mac Studio in the internet! This time, I am confident you will reach 1M fans very soon!
Thanks for this review since this is the model I ordered because of your recommendation. Keep up the great job!
7:00 It's somewhat clear that the M1 Ultra uses a vapor chamber for cooling, the difference isn't just in the cooler material
valuable information! thank YOU. I got the Ultra and I'm happy. :)
Do you ever sleep? You have done so many videos on all aspects of these new computers, it's amazing! Thanks for all the effort as the videos answer a lot of questions.
Best Apple Tech Channel, I hope you reach the 1M subscribers soon.
Excellent video. This is exactly the information I was waiting for to see if the Max Studio ran quiet when under stress like the M1 Mini does. Thank you :)
The Battle of the Teardowns. Max vs Luke 🙂
I love it. Both great accomplishes and combined they give us Mac fans a superb insight. Thanks guys.
Nice Video! Quick comment one your statement from 12:45 ("Apple is limiting graphics performance"). It's very likely that they are not. The Geekbench stresstest is very demanding, taking up almost every tiny bit of the CPU, leaving not much for other tasks (like moving the mouse or opening a program etc.). Even though the 3D mark stresstest tests the GPU, it also needs some resources of the CPU. So because the CPU is already so busy with Cinebench, it probably can't feed the GPU fast enough for the 3D mark test. Long story short: With Cinebench running, the 3DMark stresstest is CPU limited. At least that is my humble opinion on the matter. Maybe worth trying another combination of CPU and GPU stresstest.
Yeah the second he made that statement I knew he made a large mistake with his logic, Apple is not putting any artificial limitations for this scenario to happen, it simply becomes the CPU becomes the bottle neck with the specific tests they are running.
I was going to comment the same. GPU test can’t run at 100% if it was using 25% CPU alone and Cinebench is stealing most of those cycles in the combined test.
Agreed, try setting Cinebench to lower priority and see if that changes the results.
@@MoonshineOctopus We have been seeing bottleneck tests for decades now on systems, I don't think the reviewer in this case is as familiar with this, it is difficult to get a test to stress 100% of both CPU and GPU as it is perfect balance needs to be reached and that balance differs on every system config.
Came to say the same thing. This is almost certainly the case.
Another great video. Thanks
Awesome tests and teardown!
video idea, Swap the cooling systems to see if ultra can keep up with Max's Cooling system. Great work
Bad, BAD idea
I doubt it will boot lol
I had the same idea but i don't know if it would work
LOL you first
I could see LTT doing this. Would be interesting to watch for sure.
Thank you for the testing! And man you egot up super early..testing at 6am..or..havent slept yet?
Best mac's coverage in UA-cam ❤️❤️❤️
Great video!!!
thanks for video!
great vid as always
This is a good good deal! I will get this spec for sure
Hey dude you did so much effort look at 12:41 it is 6.04am.
Thank you.
Ayooooo I just saw that!
You will be hitting 1M subs this year for sure.
Man you nailed it
Absolutely amazing channel, the details and care you take to give us all the information. Be interesting to see (as Luke Miani tried to do) if apple starts allowing with firmware upgrades and starts selling upgrade kits to upgrade the disk space.
This is interesting, in Luke Miani’s video today, the second socket was bare and had none of the controllers like this one shows! I wonder why?
The best Mac Studio coversage - well done guys! Would love to see if you can get two SSD's to work in these machines.
@@m-stat9 Yes but now he’s using apple configurator 2 to reset the drives, probably will work
It will work with Apple configurator UNTIL they patch it for Apple employees only...
Tech is maxed out at Max Tech 🔥
Hi Max have you tried the SSD from one Mac in the other and both in one machine to see if storage increases ?
Nice results.
Since you have 2 studios have you consider taking ssd of 1 and put into the other and give other studio 2 ssd's test and see if size goes up?!
the coverage on these products on your channel compared to even some of the biggest reviewers in the GAME is groundbreaking and it should be recognized fr
You guys are awesome
I dunno, the $1,999 one with 32-cores seems like the best bang for buck but this video helped me understand (on a hardware level) why that price isn't as crazy a jump. Neat video dudes, you guys were the first to teardown the studio I think.
Great review! Could you guys do a comparison between the Mac Studio base model and the MBP 16'" with the M1 Max chip?
I notice that in second SSD port at M1 MAX there are controllers that are missing in second port at M1 ULTRA which course on tests that second port could not be use for upgrade. Because there are chips in M1 MAX that would suggest possibility for upgrade. Can you please check that ?
Awesome & Thanks :)
Do thermal tests with the Mac out in direct sunlight! Will have to wait for the summer though to really put it to the test.
Nice and very interesting...!
Sir, would you be able to do a render comparison to the 16 inch MacBook pro to the new studio mac on insta 360 studio 5, 10, or 15 minute 360 video?
Nice informative video. Wonder if the GPU is being throttled when the CPU is at full power, due to limitation of target power draw of the M1 Max SoC. Similar to how the PS5's SoC architecture works with AMD SmartShift
You guys are doing some of the best apple testing anywhere. keep up the good work. Also how awesome is it that apple's new chip is the "Max" and you are "Max Tech". When the stars align....
excellent job max tech team.. i don't really care about the tear downs.. but still interesting .. definitely curious on the benchmark differences between the ultra and the m1max 16 (especially in regards to video editing) .. and m1max16 and m1max studio.. thanks for all your hard work. Can't wait until you get to the point of your recommendations of mac studio vs macbook pros :)
8:45 working on a youtube video before 6am is pure dedication
Should do a test after a month or two with high usage. Test it then to see if the cooling and functions still performs as it is when new.
Seeing these results, I wonder if the chips are still operating as if they were inside something other than a Mac Studio? Thankfully, this is certainly something that can be corrected with software updates as the hardware design looks solid and there’s ample power and cooling on hand to crank performance higher.
Thank, appreciated.
Very interesting, it's possible exchange aluminum heatsink with copper heatsink, and overclock M1 max?
GREAT Video... Thank you! I'm looking for an Adobe after effects ram preview and export comparison between the studio M1 MAX vs. the M1 ULTRA. I'm sure that video would get a nice chunk of traffic.
Is there a High Power Mode in System Preferences like there is for the M1 Max MBP? That might uncork the GPU limitations.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Great Vid!
Can you guys make a video around premiere pro comparing both the Ultra & the Max to see which one is the best bank for the buck?
I edit tons of 422 12bit footage and mu current PC is struggling bad. Thank you!
Eagerly waiting for iPad Air 5 vs iPad Air 4 comparison.
The supposed full copper heatsink of Studio with the M1 Ultra is most likely using a vapour chamber from what you showed. And not surprising given the size of the M1 Ultra as compared to the M1 Max. But great in-depth look at the coolers and cooling capabilities.
Great breakdown as usual. Just want to point out that in the combined test, you might be seeing some CPU limitation of the GPU because the CPU is already maxed out by the Cinebench app. I noticed that when you ran Wildlife Extreme by itself, there was about 24% CPU utilization, so it seems like that test does require some CPU to fully push the GPU to its limits.
Please run a simultaneous session of: 1. Xcode compile test (repeatedly over and over); 2. Logic w/ multiple tracks of white/pink/brown (different types of randomised) noise + plugins; 3. Video editor with a 4k edit. Time the compile tests. Track that time against the # of tracks in Logic as you increase them and the size and complexity of the edit. Artificial benchmarks are fine, but there is no real substitute for real-world workloads.
Did you try pulling the SSD from one machnie and plugging it into the other and seeing if it would boot up? I wouldn't be suprised if Apple writes something into the bios that locks out the other sockets if you bought it with only 512GB.
1:45 In Luke Miani's trying to upgrade video, you could see that the SECOND SSD port had a BLANK PCB under the SSD port.. but here that isn't the case? Wonder if YOU try to upgrade the same way, will it work...
Love your energy for these videos. Still waiting for mine to arrive. I got the M1 Max with 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine
32GB unified memory
1TB SSD storage. Figured this should be more then enough power for me for hopefully years to come
Years to come? You wont be needing another computer DECADS to come unless apple decides to start slowing down their chips like they did in the old days lamo
@@samuelchimezie I still use a MBP 2012 fully upgraded and works great at a decade old. So this will will be a huge upgrade. I am thinking of getting the Studio display as well. Then see what comes out in the next year or so and get another MBP with M2 or whatever chip is avail then
*Is there a high power mode in the Mac Studio like there is for the MacBook Pro? Maybe if you select it, it will enable both the CPU and GPU to run 100% at the same time. Try this on the MacBook pro aswell.*
I only speak for myself, and I know you guys are getting re-blogged by the verge and all the other big sites... so amazing on that, but as a general user, I want speed tests to help with my purchase. I want performance tests on different types of footage. I want what it's like to be in a timeline. The tear down is a whole other level of user, that I think is only a small portion of the creative users looking to buy this machine. All of this is to say that I'm eagerly awaiting the performance tests of the max vs the ultra. And PLEASE, every UA-cam channels is testing only in FCP, let's see Premiere and After Effects stuff too please! Love the channel, keep up the great work. Been telling everyone to stay tuned to your channel for these numbers. Been with max since the camera review days.
Amazing again. I hope you get subbed up fir this. I’ve been watching you subbed for years. Can’t wait for my ultra I hope it is fast.
I am just waiting for some Lightroom performance tests. :)
Hello and thanks, can i say the app name for gpu and cpu percentage in the menu bar? Thanks
Hey Max… I watched Luke Milani’s video about adding SSD to the Ultra. Why does the Ultra NOT have any chips under or next to the slot where the SSD would go, but on the M1 Max it does? I’m sure you noticed this already. I wonder if an SSD would operate on the M1 Max?
How can you be so hyped up at 5:30AM on a Monday? 😂
Honestly, I really had thought that the Studio was a bloated Mini with a big chip in it. Your tear-downs have completely eradicated that thought. I don't know if Apple appreciate you or not (probably not as you specialise in leaks!) but they should be appreciative of these Studio videos because they reveal the massive amount of effort and thought that Apple has put into creating these models. These units are so technologically dense that I think they are worth what is being charged and, by virtue of your videos, we now know that Apple could very significantly increase the performance of these machines any time they wish with a simple software update that allows another 20degC or so for the chip. Great job, guys!
Great content. Very interesting. Curious as to what program you use to monitor the CPU temperatures in your top task bar. Thanks.
Wonder what if you put 2 SSDs from this 2 machine, in 1 machine, occupying both SSD slots
12:40 is it? apple limiting its gpu work? not because cinebench not using full capability of m1 max gpu..?
Hey Max, Great highlight of the Thermal throttling with CPU + GPU peged, I'm wondering since you've TGPro, please do test running benchmarck with TGPro forcing the fans to the Max (yes that'll be loud but that's for science and people that don't care about noise)
Hey Max. How about a test using the M1 Max doing a 3 stream 4k multi cam in PP Thanks
Just noting the spare SSD slot on this model appears to have controller chips below the slot where the M1 Ultra model spare slot did not.
I’m probably watching more than 80% of all the content about Apple Silicon on the internet, and let me tell you guys are on another level !
So glad to learn the Studio still has a dual fan with M1M, I wonder how it would compete vs a MacBook Pro with same specs…
At first you had me I thought the max was going to run over 90 in the stress test lol. Good to know. I would love to have the ultra but only need the max
Could you hear the fans during these tests on either machine? I do audio work so it's important to me that the machine is as quiet as possible
No you never hear them and they never go over 1300rpm. Ever.
Thanks for a great video. Let's see a Logic Pro X test
I want to see running 2 or 3 benchmarks at the same time to see if you can really stress de SOC
On Windows maxing out CPU and GPU can be done very well by running a Prime95 torture test at the same time as Furmark. I'd suggest leaving one or two CPU cores free so it/they can feed the GPU.
Prime95 is cross plattform and available for macOS (CLI) too. However, the current version is Rosetta-only. It does toast my M1 Air quite a bit, but not sure if it's a better torture test than CineBench.
There is a third party Furmark for macOS, but it's not built for Apple Silicon.
Got a question, do softwares and programs need to optimise for m1 ultra over the m1 max?
Will apps need to update to use the extra power that comes with the chip?
Generally speaking yes. FCPX will need to update and probably countless other developers as well.
I’d say so also. Will be interesting to see the performance on these in the next year
Please cover a test like this for M2 Max vs M2 Ultra.. :)
if I want to upgrade my Mac Studio, what SSD is it using?
Been waiting on your recommendations for which Studio to get
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