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Outdated Gear- TC Electronic Nova System
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2021
- There's plenty of older and "outdated" gear that you can get for great prices on the used market right now. But what are the pros and cons? Today we take a closer look at the TC Electronic Nova System and see if it's still worth picking up.
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I still use a Nova as part of my live rig!!! The delay and reverb are great, and I love being able to dial in exactly how much of a db boost I want for solos.
I got one from my step dad for christmas!!!
Do you run it in the fx loop? 4cm
@@muleblues71 loop only, yeah.
@@muleblues71 the 4cm isn't possible I don't think with the Nova. Mine just landed yesterday. It's either before your amp in drive mode. Or in your FX loop, which bypasses the drive section of the Nova
@@jonnyholt2665 That sucks. Even my old boss gt100 had the option of both. Coming from kemper and now hx effects.
The mid-2000's TC stuff was insanely good!
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I agree, wish I never sold that stuff off, but still a bit bulky
Im 65 now and retired. Played across Canada fulltime in the 80's so you know what sounds I've liked. I have a soft spot for Vintage/outdated gear. A Marshall jmp1 pre amp was my latest buy for 400 dollars. How bout a Jackson jx3 tubed pre amp i found in town for 200 dollars. A Digitech 2112 tubed guitar processor for 200. Digitech trs6 multi processor for 60 dollars, was 800 new. A BBE sonic maximizer for 60 dollars. All rack mounted. Sure they dont have the newer sounds like my Hughes and Kettner grandmiester 40 deluxe but when i sit and noodle all of it makes me smile. Maybe because its from a different era. Great video, keep em coming. Dave from Canada!
I love the outdated gear series, I’d definitely love to see more!
Please make this a series!
Also: older Boss GT units. You can get them used for buttons.
GT-Pro blew my mind.
And it runs on Windows 10, Just search.
Last year I picked up an old GT-6B from a guy on craigslist for $50. I didn't expect to use it a lot and just wanted it as a backup in case my pedalboard craps out on me for whatever reason, but it ended up replacing my entire rig. The preamp section has an awesome Ampeg SVT mode that sounds kind of like a sansamp bass driver, and a really great 8x10" cab sim. There's other speaker size options but that's the only one I ever use. The compressor is pretty nice, nothing special but it gets the job done well enough for me. The real game-changer though is the ability to blend any boss OD/distortion/fuzz pedal with your clean signal. Normally I use a line selector pedal with a DS-1, so that's what I have mine set to. And as far as modulation goes, it has just about everything I would want to use on a bass and then some. It also has a noise gate, and it lets you change the order of effects just like you would with a pedalboard. It's one of the best pieces of gear I've ever bought. I don't use an amp or cab or pedals in my band anymore, just the GT-6B straight into a PA. It has separate left and right xlr outputs, so you can use 2 speakers for stereo effects, or run one to the FOH speakers and one to your floor monitor
Digitech Rp-5 was damn good, too.
🎸I've been using my NOVA for 15 years (since it came out) and it's still on my main pedalboard. It is a great system and and one of the only systems that can do spillover delays with TC's incredible sounding delays better than most newer systems made today. It has just what I need and no more. Great sounding chorus and phenomenal reverbs and modulation effects. No silly amp modeling or extra nonsense and I don't use harmonizers. BTW, the analog overdrive is still, to this day, one of the best I've ever used and the expression pedal feature is a must. Even though it's not a 4 cable (I use it in front of my amp) I will never sell my unit as it has become part of my Guitar DNA. My entire board consists of the NOVA, a Poly Tune 3, Digitech Ventura Vibe, an expression pedal and an effect called a Slo Engine which is a volume swell pedal. For switching my amp channels (as you did) I use a Midi Mouse from Tech 21 and that's the whole thing. Thanks for the great review on this classic.
I've been moving from an all-in-one multi-fx station to individual pedals and I recently picked up a used TC Nova Repeater for 60€. I'm not sure what it does differently to its more popular brother, the Nova Delay, but it's a great-sounding pedal with some pretty cool functions. Obscure, discontinued gear is fun!
Oh Man!
I've been following your channel for several months and I've had my Nova system for about as long.
Awesome to see the Nova on here!
I've been buying a bunch of the old late 80's and early 90's Rack Gear and basically all the stuff that was out of reach to a teenage Joey.
Constantly reaching for that "sound" or "tone" that is mostly available in a few of my newer amps and effects units, but never getting quite what I'm nostalgicaly remembering.
I bought a Line 6 Pocket Pod and the FBV MKII Shortboard (had to buy them both for the deal) for $50 at a garage sale a few months back. The kidney bean has as many effects and capabilities as most of the rack stuff I piss money away on!
The thrill of the hunt. 😁
You're doing it right. You can get high quality rack gear for a SONG a lot of times.
I’d love to see more useful old gear! I’d also love to see comparisons to any newer models out there, such as the black TC Electronic Nova you referenced - it would be helpful to compare so we can decide what’s best for our needs and whether it makes sense to buy a much older 14 year old unit vs. anything newer the company has made that’s similar. When you make content like this in the future for pedals or any other gear, I hope you’ll do that rather than simply mentioning that there’s a newer model so we can compared all the features. Thanks KDH!
There's a gold plated model as well
I used to own a G-System and it had some of the best effects I had (and still have) ever used. Sadly I was traveling with my rig setup quite a lot and was using the 4-cable method so it became quite annoying to set up eventually. I still regret selling it though!
You can use the Noise Suppressor while in Speaker Sim. - just for clarification - as I use this straight to PA at church and the noise suppressor reduces excess noise very well. Keep up the good work
Nova System was great. It was a scaled down G-System basically. I used the G-System for many years as the brain of my rig.
Such as relieve with someone making short and instructive no-bullshit videos. Thanks!
Wow bro, I pulled the trigger on one of these yesterday, popping it on the board to run along the Iridium and HX Stomp
2 years later how are you liking it? I’m really interested in the drives on this thing.
I remember when I was going to buy one of these years ago! but came across a second G system for the same price!!! so it got me thinking!! I actually ended up with the G System for features it had! adding your own pedals to the loop sections on the back!! and from my personal experience with playing live!! I don't need a thousand presets :) I stick with a few sounds that I program myself!! I have known players that buy new stuff and keep messing about with different presets!! never happy!!! and blaming equipment!!!!! best thing is to not think you need everything!! just discover what you like! what works for you!! they say too many sweets are bad for you :)
You should do an episode on the Digitech GSP2101, they still hold up great in my opinion (probably due to the valve circuit).
Agree!
Used one of these for the last five years. Never had a problem with the tuner, very accurate and clear, you just need to get used to using it. Brilliant piece of kit
Thank you for telling that 2008 was almost 14 years ago. That was the year I started playing guitar. Feel old now.
That's a really nice sounding chorus
Avid Eleven Rack. 7 years later still cutting edge, bass and you can even get load in your own IRs in your interface and bypass the cab.
Interesting. Another great piece of gear for the money is digitech which has lexicon reverbs. Especially the rp500 and rp1000. The 500 is probably my next purchase.
Thats true! RP series (AudioDNA2) are amazing. The RP360 even more great as it is AudioDNA2 too, but compact and have all the algorithms from RP1000 previous flagman.
Still wait when everyone realizes that Hardwire pedals so often mentioned todays are just tiny parts from those RP processors : )
RP1000 was great for 4 cable method. Another great piece of gear was the GSP1101.
@@the80386 I always wanted to try one, but haven't. ♥️🤘
I play an NS electric cello and instead of getting a board full of pedals I opted FOR THE MOST COMPLICATED PIECE OF EQUIPMENT I WILL EVER OWN.! And you sir are a gentleman for showing some of the things that I have missed as well as others benefiting from this vid. Thnx.
Never played a nova,but I have owned owned g system for 10+ years and it is the only multi effects pedal I've ever liked
Me too, only with the Nova system. Now I've sworn to resist adding pedals. I make myself use only this and it works because of the analog drive and boost.
I like the simple controls, I'll have to keep an eye out for one.
If this is a series, I'd recommend a Boss Me-30. Digital, 30 years old and like 50€ used.
I really like to run this into a clean dry amp for a quick basic setup. The effects are awesome and I really enjoy the drive sound a lot! It's warm and full... not good for metal but I can get through any country/classic rock/top 40 gig.
I still use my Nova - I got the older grey one. I don’t need high gain so the drive is good enough for me.
I'm really hanging onto a lot of my gear for fear if i ever got rid of it, I would never be able to re-afford it in the future. i've made that mistake too many times.
I've even gotten a second Boss ME50, just in case my main one goes balls up
Haha. Dude, in the late 90s I bought a Boss Dimension C for $80, around 8 years ago I sold it for $60. 3 years later those original units were going for $400+. Still kicking myself.
@@stefanbukcev2249 Rough!
the effects on that sound freaking AMAZING for a digital unit, i'd say it sounds even better than any line 6 unit that ive heard recently.
I’ve always been impressed with the Line 6 Pod XT Live’s effects.
If they only would have integrated the nova drive to their G-System, this one would never go out of the guitar world :-)
I ran a Nova system for ages. Such a great piece of kit. It has a fair bit of tone suck, but I used it for acoustic gigs and it was perfect for that.
Interesting. I use it in front of a swart atomic space tone. I'm very sensitive to tone suck. Are you sure you set the gain structure specifically for your guitar? It's kind of an odd feature, but it's a must and it's one of the reasons I like the unit.
@@terrillmel yeah i found a slight drop in dynamic and top end when A/B-ing it in and out of the signal chain. I still think its one hell of a unit for its time
I still have a G-Natural they released for acoustic guitars. Quite a heavy unit but still like the effects on it. Thanks for the video 👍🏽
Bought a supposedly new Nova a number of years from a reputable dealer. It’s was brilliant especially for gigs but then it just froze, wouldn’t respond to any inputs. The shop I bought it from eventually agreed to get it repaired under warranty. To cut a long story short when I got it back I discovered it had been fixed before after suffering the same problem and I had been in fact been sold a secondhand repaired unit and not a brand new one. Got my money back. I’ve come across a number of secondhand ones for sale recently and was seriously tempted to buy another one but didn’t because I was concerned it would stop working just like my original one. I’ve researched this problem on the internet and apparently other users have experienced the same problem in relation to their Nova’s freezing.
I have enjoyed mine for the last 10 years without any issues whatsoever. I gig with it regularly and it's been super reliable.
I bought one of these a few years ago for $ 160 , it’s well made , used it a bit , but never really got into it,I prefer simple,,went back to a few pedals, I don’t like scrolling , I just want to tweak a few knobs and play ,it’s been collecting dust but it is a great tool for the right player
my trusty digitech rp355 may cover half my pedalboard but it's the biggest source of inspiration i have, i found "my tone" when i decided to bust it out last year
Coincidence, I literally just re-purchased a nova system off reverb after selling my original one a few years ago. Great bit of kit for the money!
Older digital units like this were always great for their modulation and time based effects. Even old Zoom pedals were great for this, and their drive emulation is often made better by playing through a cab or an IR, as the built in cab emulation on older units was... ugh *shudders* terrible. I remember my dad gave me his old Zoom 505II (the silver hardware revision version) as a hand-me-down and my next door neighbor's dad had the fabled red bean, and while both sounded great if you ran it into the FX return of say, a Fender or Guitar Research combo, or an old Peavey Bandit 112, if you used the cab sims run into a PA or a hi-fi stereo system, it was god awful. My newer G1XOn even has useable TS808, MT-2, or Distortion+ emulation, depending on where it goes in your chain.
Then again, my newer Zoom actually has useable cab sims on it, though I still prefer IR's or a real cab.
My zoom fire15 was terrible as a practice amp but through an external speaker or through an interface amazing
I absolutely love all the old zoom stuff. Great for getting a super digital mangled sound and the distortion is actually really freaking good. You'll have to pry my 9030 and 9050 from my cold dead hands.
@@themiraculous0447 I have a buddy who got an ancient GFX707 for $15 at a yard sale in Tacoma, WA. He uses it for it's shitty pitch shift FX and things like delay, reverb, echo, auto-wah, wah, volume pedal, etc., in the FX loop of his Bugera V22 combo for stuff like acid jazz. Even back then, the noise gate and noise reduction features on my old 505II were better than 90% of name brand individual stomp boxes, and today it's probably still in the top 70%, and on newer Zoom pedals it's just gotten better.
@@needsLITHIUM Yeah, the noise gate on them is like really really good. I just hit the button that automatically adjust it and boom, works like a charm. The pitch shifter is actually one of secret weapons. Most modern pitch shifting effects are super accurate and can hold chords no problem. Old effects tho had absolutely awful tracking , especially when working with chords or multiple notes. It tries to figure out what note your playing and it makes this sort of unstable warble effect, like the instrument is constantly moving in and out of tune.
I love my Nova. I gigged with it for years and the effects are excellent and more than hold up to modern stuff. I never really had a problem with the tuner when playing in standard tuning, BUT this thing took drive pedals TERRIBLY. Fuzzes in particular sound awful when plugged into it. I don't get why. I would love to use this just for effects and put a distortion or fuzz before it, but man it's just horrible. If you're only using your amp's distortion though, plus the built in boost or OD, then it's all good.
Thanks for your input dude, you saved me some dissapointment
Try this:
Guitar -> Splitter Out 1 -> Fuzz -> Amp In
'-> Splitter Out 2 -> Nova -> Amp FX Return
I used one of these for years. The drives were useless to me, so I never bothered with them. All of the other effects were top notch, though. I used to use this with a midi switcher and Mesa Dual Rectifier on the road. It was a great little rig, but when I saw how much more flexible and easier to program the Pod HD500 was, I switched. I was using the Nova system in the FX loop for all the post stuff, but I think where this unit really shined was right into the front of a fender style amp.
You are spot on. The price currently is so low that i will never sell my old nova for the current price.
My old pedal board was Wah --> polytune mini --> Trex Moller (boost and tubescremer like distortion) --> Nova --> VOX amp.
The drive in the Nova stacks really well with other boost and drive pedal
I had a Nova which I got from a step-uncle when I was 13(about 2010) and I never understood how to use it no matter how much I messed with the effects. I wound up selling it a couple years ago because it was genuinely just gathering dust under my bed. I did get about $200 for it though!
This channel never disappoints.
Good review. No real need to buy new stuff all the time. For info: owners of the original Nova system can now download the extra presets on this limited edition from the TC Electronic website. Bought mine some years ago. Must be third or fourth hand by now. I use it at home and it suits me fine. And once I've decided what I really need, can go ahead and build a stombox rig. Or not.
Love mine. This, a T-Rex Michaelangelo Batio drive pedal and a Morley Wah cover 90% of my needs in front of any amp. All of it is built like a tank, too.
Honestly, the only thing I’ve seen lately that I want to add to my board is a Strymon Cloudburst
I base my rig on 80s and 90s rack gear..digital and analog...you can get it for insanely good prices
I was waiting and searching for this. So - here's the trick. The drive is MEH - but the boost is a great way to bump for solos. What to do? Using the Line input - run this baby through your effects loop, as you would any delay/reverb/modulation pedal. Then add your overdirve/distortion into the front from your guitar. In my case this is the Diezel VH4. I run into a SOLID STATE Roland JC (I know I know - I am not using the amps Chorus or Reverb) and HOLY MOTHER does it sounds wonderful. Something not mentioned here is how quiet this unit is. Even with Boost kicked in - I find it dead black between notes. The closest comparision I can make to my tone now is Allan Holsdworth - no VH4 for the rythmn stuff, and then kicking that in (not full gain) for the solos. I bought this unit for 140 on Reverb. Best buy ever. It just works for me. Although, sadly, I still cannot play like Allan Holdsworth.
Had one for a couple of years but, essentially a Katana does the same job with a huge bunch of additional options, like all the Boss pedals, plus you get an amp and speaker. The distortion and drive were meh and you only have one of each. The delay and reverb were decent. Modulation you could only have one at a time, so no chorus + tremelo. The Boost switch was the best of it. Very useful for switching from rhythm to lead. It was ok at the time, but now there are way better things for the same money as a 2nd hand Nova. A NUX MG-30 stomps all over it sonically. The Nova however was built like a tank so very roadworthy. If you only need delay and reverb and possibly a boost, can find one cheap (circa £50) and have your own drive pedals, it could be useful. But a Boss ME 70 gives you more for your money on the second hand market.
Use mine for midi channel switching at home mostly and adding an effect or two on said channel, only in the loop, the compressor and delay aren't too shabby (yes I use compressors in the fx loop and in front lol), and those two effects alone are worth the money, really good useful gear for the price, especially before going out and forking out dough for separate pedals, it allows to see which effects you do actually like and use and familiarize yourself with them beforehand.
Mine did freeze every now and then, opened it up and put stick on ram heatsinks on the chips where they would fit, solved my problem, there's something that overheats in there on hot summer days or under stage lights.
In front it doesn't like other pedals very much, for fx loop usage it's great, the analog overdrive is anecdotic in my opinion.
I think another benefit to older gear, is that any issues that could arise, have made themselves known to someone and there's likely loads of forum support.
New gear, you're forging that path with potentially less support.
I still have a zoom 505 or 50 something that's still works great . Don't use it anymore.
I also have the first boss looper pedal that I still use and works great
😎 12:00😎 "Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to!"
I was thinking on buying one, and I found this video, perfect!
Thank you for great in-dept review. I almost bought one (it was really nice deal). A guess I rather add a little and get plethora 3, which fixes all the cons you mentioned.
I wonder how it would sound direct, with some IR's from Two Notes Wall Of Sound for example.
I tried it with my POD HD500x a few years ago and it was a great improvement.
Heard a bit of “Kid Ego” in there, really cool!
I still swear by my boss gt-6, i am at the point of buying them everytime one shows up lol! i gig with it straight to the pa and get great results!
I believe that yeah, its great and it's impressive that after 14 years It van keep up with modern options but, there are modern options like mooer or Nux (specifically the nux mg 300)
That are better, allow stacking fx and can allow you to install your own impulse responses, maybe the build quality wouldn't be as good but I would think that is a fair tradeoff for the added features and sound quality
Had a nova for 5 years and I’m getting fed up never white getting exactly what I want from the delay. I feel like I’m forever tweaking one of its thousand controls 😂. Love the gate it’s amazing. The reverb I found easy to set. Phaser I just can’t get the van halen sound even looking for online settings. Think I’ll keep it and get a tc flashback 2 for the delay for the hair metal sound.
Using the G SWITCH you can switch on the other effects
remember when every dude that played in a youth church group had one of these?
A few years ago you could get forgotten about stuff on the cheap. That seems to be harder nowadays
The only gear going up in price is nonsense magic unicorn crap like Klons or fools trying to sell $1100 American strats for $1250 (a failing strategy, BTW - go on Reverb and see the significant price drops). There's a TON of great used gear out there at reasonable prices.
Speaking of outdated gear I still use my Line 6 Uber Metal pedal. They should have named it the Clown show. The Pulverize and Insane settings are hilarious. It's an all out assault against subtlety and good taste. There's even a noise gate for noise free maximuml Br00tlz.
Loved the Peter Green riff at the end, my era. I'm a big fan of Rory Gallagher too, but that list is long.
Can i use the Ammoon PSU to Tc Electronic Nova? Because Ammon PSu has 8 slot and 9volts each 500 MA. Is that okay?
The speaker sim doesn't negate the use of the gate just the EQ which makes sense because the speaker sim is just an EQ preset really.. JSYK
Awesome unit. Tho I prefer the sounds I get from my M9, despite its complete lack of build quality (at least as far as knows and switches go). I always kind of wished that the M9 sounds were in the Nova enclosure
Nice review.
Maybe it's due to YT compression, but the modulation FX dont sound that good. For that i got me a Marshall RG, it cost me 50€ and does all the common modulation stuff plus a very quirky step phaser. I think the nova might be a good start for beginners to find out which FX they want to play with before buying expensive pedals. Great vid!
Would be interested to see about korg ax1500g
Hey! Do the switches have lag? Or do they activate upon release, instead of engaging when you step on them? Thx
The Nova drive should be a staple of any midi rig
can you do a video where you tape a picture of rick beato to a tree and then throw a boss metalzone at it as hard as you can.
And maybe edit it to sorry your not a winner by enter shikari
It's good to see a video of "Outdated' gear. There are a lot of great old pieces that, like you said, may not be in high demand, but still good.
If you want to talk about 'Outdated', I'm still using my A/DA MP1's from the nineties. It's my secret weapon, and the best tone I ever had. I LOVE that thing. I keep telling people these things are great, AND I try and snap up as many as I can before someone famous uses one again and they go through the roof. Prices fluctuate a lot on these month to month.
If tc made a new updated multi drive pedal, they would sell out fast.
Hey man, what configuration did you use for the country compresor?
11:34 oh hell yeah, this sounds like something I'd use lol
That clean tone seemed a little dull? Anyway, excellent demo, thanks.
That also happens with old keyboards. Take Kurzweil for example, the good old K2000 from 1992 has a very unique sound that's very good to today's standards. And you can get them for about 400€!
If you manage to get your hands on a Korg AX3000G please record a review!!!
nice review
Fuck yes, good to see the blue LTD in action
brilliant review ty
Like the effects, the distortion is nasty though
i remember selling these... now i know how old megadeath fans feel when they talk about the good ol' days.
I am actyually gonna get one for Xmas.
I've noticed a lot of people still use those big Line 6 effects pedals, like what Buckethead likes to use.
The 4 series remains incredible, man.
Not just the DL, but the other too.
What's dope is they're all basically thrown into the M series which is mad cheap these days, you lose the cool colors but you get so much good stuff in exchange 😁
@@RubenTheDev nah, the colour is just an LED instead of paint!
@@RubenTheDev The M Series is another great shout for "outdated but still good" gear! All those classic effects in one box with better switches. I still dust off my M5 sometimes even though I have a Kemper and large pedalboard.
line 6 and zoom makes the best effects. Everything else is obsolete.
hi what settings for harmoniser please?
Wtf, the drives were analogue? That's amazing. Nothing out there like this now.(correct me if I'm wrong)
Get the M-Audio Black Box Reloaded, far better and far cheaper if you shop around.
Thanks for an intresting video. Be safe and skilful. Pinge
My unit got warm, is it normal?
Check out the Digitech GNX3 or GNX4.
I actually have one of those red ones. Only played once, cos I'm too old for this digital nonsense!
5:04 ‘I’m a negative creep, I’m a negative creep, I’m a…..oh’
And the price just doubled! 😁
I'm really enjoying my Roland VG-88. Sounds amazing.
EXTREME FUCK YEAH!!!!
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