From the show we didn't, but thats what happens in the comics. Which is the reverse of the flash, cause the Speed Force was "created" by the Flash, something like that. That is why he is always the fastest speedster, cause he owns everything LOL.
@@DCMarolas I will always hold a grudge against DC for doing that. The speedforce should've stayed an entity that speedsters access their powers from. One guy generating it all makes no sense.
negative speedforce is a great kickback for the comic book fans... He is the reverse of the flash .He surfs the negative speedforce and flash and other speedsters surfs the positive
There was a future timeline in the comics where the Tornado Twins (Barry and Iris' kids) were full on evil and were tapped into the Negative Speed Force. I don't think Nora is (full on evil) 'cause her motivations were she meant well, but is being manipulated by Thawne and now she's corrupted because she tapped into her anger and loneliness. I think, like the original Thawne, that she can be cleansed of it's hateful influence though. The fact that original S1 Thawne eventually had a change of heart for his HATRED of Barry, I think was for him spending more time with Barry and less time tapped into the Negative Speed Force. He did confess to Nora Allen's murder (freeing Barry's dad) and left STAR Labs to Barry (and, I believe, Cisco and Caitlin also). This says to me that his virulent hatred for Barry Allen is, in part, being fed by the Negative Speed Force because it seems visceral and irrational at times.
You maybe right after the stunt he pull to the entire team like that. Not giving nora a chance to come clean to everybody that was not cool at all for what he did.
Iris logic: We need to make decisions together Previous Episode: Let Nora out of the cell all on her own. Anyway, without all the Snow family nonsense, the WestAllen drama did best for this episode. The only problem being is once again The Flash's biggest enemy comes within his team itself and someone he trusted. I'm fatigue with that storytelling. Female Cicada I completely forgot about until she showed up. The Flash is telling two different story's right now and I have no clue how they're going to wrap it all together.
I love the beginning of this episode with Barry and Iris, there's a lot of moments where the acting can a little silly, but that felt so real and it was so good. Also don't fall in love with Caitlin she will get you killed.
Misplaced anger. If Sherloque came clean right away no one would have believed him especially since he didn't have any evidence compared to now. When Iris found out Sherloque was investigating Nora she told him to back off & now she's mad at him for not telling them smh
@@EJRI1 But for all they know she would've just backed out again, he didn't know she was gonna confess for sure..and he knew everyone deserved to know, like someone else said their anger was misplaced, they didn't wanna be mad at Nora so they were mad at him instead..he has a face they're used to being mad at.
alll of then projecting the suffering to sherlock, its normal, he did the right thing but this isn't good to hear, sometimes deep down we don't want to know the truth so as not to hurt us
I feel like Thawne cares about Nora just like he did about Barry in season 1: He does somewhat care about them, but he puts his plans and himself first.
I hope they keep evil nora around for at least one full episode while having a cool fight with Barry. I have a feeling they'll wrap that up when they first run into each other but who knows! The last few episodes of the season should be quite action packed with the amount of stuff that's going on so i'm looking forward to them.
Last weeks and other episodes before that one when Nora runs fast her hair should be going all the way back but it's like oh let me make myself look like I'm holding an invisible box when I run while not moving on set. They could've gave her a fan to be blowing her hair back when she's doing these running scenes. But with the negative speed force they fixed that
I wasn't ready for that opening scene. Like, legit great acting from both to pull off such raw emotion. Also, was I the only one during the the Thawne Nora scene saying "good, let the hate flow through you?"
I agree with you, they did not have to kill Caitlin's dad, also it doesn't make sense because he's meant to same type of ice meta as her and have healing powers like her, but anyway turning Caitlin's mum into a ice meta makes more sense than her dad, because in the comics Icicle is not related to Caitlin and Caitlin's mum can be a reference to the comics with cailtin in comics being the second woman to become a villian with frost in her villian name, the first being Crystal Frost, Caitlin's mum might be a reference to her and might even be called Crystal Frost, if so than Ihope they give her a better suit or dress the in what she has in comics, because the comics one is bit weird with her wearing some kind of pearl headdress, pearl necklace and pearl bracelets and a long dress or gown of some kind which is kind hard to fight in.
0:41 Seriously Iris can you stop with that stupid i blame you for leaving line. He die not want to leave you he had to or the world would have been destroyed. I am so sorry(not) that you had to be alone for a few months, even if you were the first one to stop trying to get him back and even got mad when Cisco found out how to get him back and tried to stop him. You had it so much harder right in those couple of months it is not like Barry was basically in hell for literally an eternity.
I don't like the way they are treating Sherloque, and I'm even disliking the way they talk to Thawne. While I understand the disdain for him, he never forced Nora to come to him. Iris lied to her about everything out of selfishness and because Barry's gone and everyone else lied to her too, where else would an emotionally lost girl with super-speed turn? West-Allen always gets to conveniently forget their errors in judgement and forgive themselves too easily IMO.
NEGATIVE SPEED FORCE!!!! The acting between Candice & Grant was GREAT, but I disliked all that drama.. Iris really had the nerve to say she's not bothered by Nora working with Thawne even tho she knows he killed Barry's mother pissed me off. I was heated!! I shouted "WHAT IF HE KILLED YOUR MOM OR JOE HUH?!" then Barry said it & told her to look in the mirror when it comes to making emotional decisions.. Iris went quiet & walked out. Iris saying "what about the last time I get to see her" ugh you raising her in the future while Barry is missing!!! This shit is way harder on him! 100% guarantee that if Iris didn't show up in the future Nora wouldn't be able to access the negative speed force. Iris showing up just made things even worse imo. IF Iris wasn't there Nora wouldn't have gotten that angry & wouldn't be able to access the negative speed force. Also in the beginning of the episode Iris said she wasn't bothered by Nora working with Thawne, but all of a sudden tells Nora to get away from him right when she gets to the future!??! c'mon!!! Thawne 1000% manipulating Nora & Iris! Doesn't take a genius to figure that out! ugh Killer Frost vs Icicle was great. Stunning visual effects. Killer Frost vs Cicada was also good. Thomas sacrificing himself for Cait after they just got him back... 😭😭😭 Evil Nora next week... let's see how this turns out..
ahh i know there's no chance of it, but i would love it if Nora kept that look. i like heroes who use kinda evil weapons or forces. and i espescially like red lightning.
I really think thawne ws genuine there. when he said that enough. i think he really does care about nora. she was there for his last days. I think barry might end up being the bad guy here. if the writers have ay sense any way.
Agreed, I feel like he's in a redemption arc finally..although I do still feel like he has some kind of ulterior motive, honestly I halfway expect Sherloque to end up being Thawne actually and just be being super sneaky..lol
This episode is an example of why people stick with this show. It's the interpersonal dramas that drive it. Like a expert jugular we have three drama balls in the air at the same time. Barry and Iris, the 'Snow Bank', Nora, Iris and Thawne! We also have Ralph and Sherloque for a little bit of comedy. Finally we have Gracaida to "bring us back to earth". It takes really good writing and acting to fit all of this in 44 minutes!
Hey i just want to let you know that Lucifer season 4 will be released on may 8th. Netflix uploaded the trailer . Will you make a reaction and tell us your thoughs ?
I don't remember if we ever knew about Thawne creating his own speed force, but I for sure did not remember haha. So enjoy my surprised reaction.
From the show we didn't, but thats what happens in the comics.
Which is the reverse of the flash, cause the Speed Force was "created" by the Flash, something like that. That is why he is always the fastest speedster, cause he owns everything LOL.
@JustSoShayla phew glad I wasn't the only one. I thought I had missed or forgotten something but I guess not🙂
@@DCMarolas I will always hold a grudge against DC for doing that. The speedforce should've stayed an entity that speedsters access their powers from. One guy generating it all makes no sense.
negative speedforce is a great kickback for the comic book fans... He is the reverse of the flash .He surfs the negative speedforce
and flash and other speedsters surfs the positive
There was a future timeline in the comics where the Tornado Twins (Barry and Iris' kids) were full on evil and were tapped into the Negative Speed Force. I don't think Nora is (full on evil) 'cause her motivations were she meant well, but is being manipulated by Thawne and now she's corrupted because she tapped into her anger and loneliness. I think, like the original Thawne, that she can be cleansed of it's hateful influence though. The fact that original S1 Thawne eventually had a change of heart for his HATRED of Barry, I think was for him spending more time with Barry and less time tapped into the Negative Speed Force. He did confess to Nora Allen's murder (freeing Barry's dad) and left STAR Labs to Barry (and, I believe, Cisco and Caitlin also). This says to me that his virulent hatred for Barry Allen is, in part, being fed by the Negative Speed Force because it seems visceral and irrational at times.
My god that beginning scene with Barry and Iris was insanely good
After how they reacted the past 2 episodes, Team Flash doesn't DESERVE Sherloque.
You maybe right after the stunt he pull to the entire team like that. Not giving nora a chance to come clean to everybody that was not cool at all for what he did.
Iris logic: We need to make decisions together
Previous Episode: Let Nora out of the cell all on her own.
Anyway, without all the Snow family nonsense, the WestAllen drama did best for this episode. The only problem being is once again The Flash's biggest enemy comes within his team itself and someone he trusted. I'm fatigue with that storytelling. Female Cicada I completely forgot about until she showed up. The Flash is telling two different story's right now and I have no clue how they're going to wrap it all together.
It will be interesting.
I love the beginning of this episode with Barry and Iris, there's a lot of moments where the acting can a little silly, but that felt so real and it was so good. Also don't fall in love with Caitlin she will get you killed.
I don't know why everyone was so annoyed at Sherloque. He's the one who told everyone what Nora was doing and he helped them out so much!!!😲
Misplaced anger. If Sherloque came clean right away no one would have believed him especially since he didn't have any evidence compared to now. When Iris found out Sherloque was investigating Nora she told him to back off & now she's mad at him for not telling them smh
Because she was about to confess and he didn't give her the chance. He took it from her to show off, it wasn't his secret to tell.
@@EJRI1 But for all they know she would've just backed out again, he didn't know she was gonna confess for sure..and he knew everyone deserved to know, like someone else said their anger was misplaced, they didn't wanna be mad at Nora so they were mad at him instead..he has a face they're used to being mad at.
@@markfuston2714 Like what Ralph said this is a family he didn't include to anyone to this.
alll of then projecting the suffering to sherlock, its normal, he did the right thing but this isn't good to hear, sometimes deep down we don't want to know the truth so as not to hurt us
I feel like Thawne cares about Nora just like he did about Barry in season 1: He does somewhat care about them, but he puts his plans and himself first.
I hope they keep evil nora around for at least one full episode while having a cool fight with Barry. I have a feeling they'll wrap that up when they first run into each other but who knows! The last few episodes of the season should be quite action packed with the amount of stuff that's going on so i'm looking forward to them.
There is no way Nora is gonna stay bad, it would be an awesome twist, but nope.
Last weeks and other episodes before that one when Nora runs fast her hair should be going all the way back but it's like oh let me make myself look like I'm holding an invisible box when I run while not moving on set. They could've gave her a fan to be blowing her hair back when she's doing these running scenes. But with the negative speed force they fixed that
So great that the negative speed force is finally canon in the show !
I wasn't ready for that opening scene. Like, legit great acting from both to pull off such raw emotion. Also, was I the only one during the the Thawne Nora scene saying "good, let the hate flow through you?"
I agree with you, they did not have to kill Caitlin's dad, also it doesn't make sense because he's meant to same type of ice meta as her and have healing powers like her, but anyway turning Caitlin's mum into a ice meta makes more sense than her dad, because in the comics Icicle is not related to Caitlin and Caitlin's mum can be a reference to the comics with cailtin in comics being the second woman to become a villian with frost in her villian name, the first being Crystal Frost, Caitlin's mum might be a reference to her and might even be called Crystal Frost, if so than Ihope they give her a better suit or dress the in what she has in comics, because the comics one is bit weird with her wearing some kind of pearl headdress, pearl necklace and pearl bracelets and a long dress or gown of some kind which is kind hard to fight in.
Shaylas smile is everything yall
Can we talk about how good the cgi was on caitlin and her dads fight😍😍
I don't think you realize just how bad things are now that Nora is using the negative speedforce
0:41 Seriously Iris can you stop with that stupid i blame you for leaving line. He die not want to leave you he had to or the world would have been destroyed. I am so sorry(not) that you had to be alone for a few months, even if you were the first one to stop trying to get him back and even got mad when Cisco found out how to get him back and tried to stop him. You had it so much harder right in those couple of months it is not like Barry was basically in hell for literally an eternity.
Lol that reaction at 7:56
I don't like the way they are treating Sherloque, and I'm even disliking the way they talk to Thawne.
While I understand the disdain for him, he never forced Nora to come to him. Iris lied to her about everything out of selfishness and because Barry's gone and everyone else lied to her too, where else would an emotionally lost girl with super-speed turn? West-Allen always gets to conveniently forget their errors in judgement and forgive themselves too easily IMO.
NEGATIVE SPEED FORCE!!!!
The acting between Candice & Grant was GREAT, but I disliked all that drama.. Iris really had the nerve to say she's not bothered by Nora working with Thawne even tho she knows he killed Barry's mother pissed me off. I was heated!! I shouted "WHAT IF HE KILLED YOUR MOM OR JOE HUH?!" then Barry said it & told her to look in the mirror when it comes to making emotional decisions.. Iris went quiet & walked out. Iris saying "what about the last time I get to see her" ugh you raising her in the future while Barry is missing!!! This shit is way harder on him!
100% guarantee that if Iris didn't show up in the future Nora wouldn't be able to access the negative speed force. Iris showing up just made things even worse imo. IF Iris wasn't there Nora wouldn't have gotten that angry & wouldn't be able to access the negative speed force.
Also in the beginning of the episode Iris said she wasn't bothered by Nora working with Thawne, but all of a sudden tells Nora to get away from him right when she gets to the future!??! c'mon!!!
Thawne 1000% manipulating Nora & Iris! Doesn't take a genius to figure that out! ugh
Killer Frost vs Icicle was great. Stunning visual effects. Killer Frost vs Cicada was also good. Thomas sacrificing himself for Cait after they just got him back... 😭😭😭
Evil Nora next week... let's see how this turns out..
Remember the 2 times Barry also worked with thawne..
I knowwww that acting was gorgeous and you understand both sides (more Barry's than Iris'es but yeah) loved that scene.
Iris made sense tho Barry is blinding by his hate towards thawne rightfully so
When you say your favourite character is Harrison Wells, which do you mean?
This is the reaction ive been waiting for all day....😂😂😂finally. AndNd the beginning killed me
ahh i know there's no chance of it, but i would love it if Nora kept that look. i like heroes who use kinda evil weapons or forces. and i espescially like red lightning.
I really think thawne ws genuine there. when he said that enough. i think he really does care about nora. she was there for his last days. I think barry might end up being the bad guy here. if the writers have ay sense any way.
Agreed, I feel like he's in a redemption arc finally..although I do still feel like he has some kind of ulterior motive, honestly I halfway expect Sherloque to end up being Thawne actually and just be being super sneaky..lol
This episode is an example of why people stick with this show. It's the interpersonal dramas that drive it. Like a expert jugular we have three drama balls in the air at the same time. Barry and Iris, the 'Snow Bank', Nora, Iris and Thawne! We also have Ralph and Sherloque for a little bit of comedy. Finally we have Gracaida to "bring us back to earth". It takes really good writing and acting to fit all of this in 44 minutes!
Woo 3 CW vídeos in less than 24 hours. This has been my lucky week, Hope you enjoyed the episode and my constant comments to you
I get what you're saying but i don't know if another season with Thawne as the main villain would work, how much more could they do?
Barry lookin thick
They talk about making decisions based on emotions...look in the mirror. Damn Barry just facepalmed the extreme feminist right there!
That opening tho, fuck me.
I would like it if they kept Nora evil and killed her off at the end of the season but that's probably just what I want
As bad as things are for Caitlin, at least she isn't relegated to a romance storyline.
love this
Hey i just want to let you know that Lucifer season 4 will be released on may 8th. Netflix uploaded the trailer . Will you make a reaction and tell us your thoughs ?
lucifer season 4 trailer 2 is out ;)
I am going into season 4 completely free of anything. So I won't be watching the trailer.
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CAN you react to Lucifer season 4 trailer ?
I am going into season 4 completely free of anything. So I won't be watching the trailer.
JustSoshyla, lucifer season 4 trailer finally realised!!!!! Please react to it
I am going into season 4 completely free of anything. So I won't be watching the trailer.
Lmao
Two episodes in a row where Iris is the only one making sense